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A
Of
the
House
Education
committee
to
order
asked
all
members
and
anybody
in
attendance
to
please
silence
your
cell
phones
I
would
advise
guests
that
if
you
wish
to
speak,
there
is
a
sign
up
sheet
available
in
the
back.
The
additional
testimony
will
be
at
the
cherished
discretion,
based
on
the
time.
That's
available
at
that
time,
we'll
remind
everyone
that
there
are
no
signs
permitted
in
the
committee
rooms
should
it
be
necessary.
There
is
an
overflow
room
available
in
room
129
this
morning,
I
believe
there
was
a
committee
meeting.
A
B
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
introduce
my
guests
today.
Kiera
stand
up,
so
this
is
Kiera
dung
she's,
an
8th
grade,
homeschool
student
from
Oldham
County,
and
this
child
knows
more
about
the
legislative
process
than
most
eighth
graders
in
our
state.
So
give
her
a
warm
welcome,
she's,
a
strong
advocate
for
anything
that
has
to
do
with
reading.
A
D
E
E
C
A
Thank
you,
I
will
just
let
you
know
that
we
do
have
members
on
this
committee
that
are
sponsoring
and
presenting
bills
and
other
committees.
So
if
you
see
members
coming
and
going
that
is
what's
going
on
this
morning
as
a
reminder
to
everyone,
when
we
start
the
agenda,
I
will
administer
an
oath
to
everyone
who
testifies
I'm
going
to
we're
going
to
change
the
agenda
this
morning,
we're
going
to
hear
Senate
Bill
5
last.
A
We
have
several
people
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
on
that
and
I
need
to
see
how
much
time
we
have.
So
we
can
coordinate
that
properly.
First
item
on
the
agenda
is
Senate
Bill,
3,
Senator,
wise
enact
relating
to
the
Educators
liability
insurance
and
making
an
appreciation.
Therefore,
Senator
wise.
You
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
then
I'll
administer
the
o.
A
F
A
Is
members
that
should
have
been
sent
out
to
you
Friday
night?
It
makes
one
change
it
on
section
two.
It
removes
the
term.
A
third
party
administrator
have
a
motion
on
the
sub.
Is
there
a
second
have
a
second
any
discussion
on
the
sub,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
in
your
pose?
No,
the
motion
carries
the
house
committee
sub
one.
The
Senate
Bill
3
is
now
on
the
agenda.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Senate,
Bill
threes.
You
have
before
you,
as
amended
by
the
sub,
pass
unanimously
off
of
the
senate
floor
and
basically,
in
the
the
time
we're
facing
right
now
with
teacher
Recruitment
and
Retention.
We
thought
this
was
a
good
effort
of
creating
Educators
liability
insurance
for
educators
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
This
would
establish
that
we
would
create
an
educator
employment
liability
insurance
program
within
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education
there's
no
funding
attached
to
this
bill.
A
Excuse
me,
we
have
a
motion
and
do
we
have
a
second
have
a
second
I
believe
we
have
a
question
from
representative
bojanowski.
B
Yes,
I
know
that
this
wouldn't
be
funded
until
next
year,
but
do
you
have
an
idea
of
what
it
would
cost
to
provide
coverage
for
up
to
a
million
dollars
for
each
educator.
F
B
H
Thank
you
Senator,
a
question
for
you.
Does
this
bill
prevent
someone
for
from
attaining
insurance
from
like,
maybe
Cape
or
Ka
or
Casa?
You
can
still.
E
J
C
A
F
A
You,
okay,
thank
you
Senator!
Next,
on
our
agenda,
we're
going
to
go
to
Senate
bill
25.
Senator
Wilson,
an
act
relating
to
post-secondary
Readiness
indicators
in
declaring
in
emergency
Senator.
Please
identify
yourself
for
the
record
now,
minister
of
the
o,.
A
K
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee.
What
you
have
before
you
is
a
cleanup
Bill
literally
from
2017,
when
we
passed
Senate
bill,
one
actually
taking
back
control
a
lot
from
the
federal
government
based
on
Essa.
That
is,
every
student
succeeds
act.
It
was
passed
by
the
federal
government,
shifting
control
back
to
the
States
for
their
education
promotion.
B
Yes,
more
of
a
general
comment
about
this
topic,
so
I'm
asking
once
again,
why
isn't
GPA
considered
a
measure
of
college
readiness
as
Research
indicates
that
gpas
are
a
much
better
predictor
of
success
at
College
than
any
standardized
tests?
Thank
you.
B
N
C
A
K
A
A
K
A
K
Unfortunately,
what
we've
seen
over
the
years
is
we've
seen.
Every
Governor
tends
to
believe
that
they're
in
charge
of
the
education
system
KDE
and
we've
seen
it
for
our
last
two
Governors
and
one
of
one
party
and
one
of
the
other
and
the
most
recent
was
when
our
current
governor
came
into
office
and
dissolved
the
Board
of
Education
and
reappointed.
K
It
we
constituted
and
pointed
all
with
one
party,
and
so
that
is
something
that
the
commissioner
of
education
is
not
a
part
of
his
cabinet
and
in
order
to
really
make
sure
the
accountability
needs
to
be
there.
We
are
the
ones
that
are
charged
in
the
Constitution.
If
you
go
look
at
it,
we're
charged
with
providing
the
common
schools
of
Education
up
for
our
state,
and
that
is
legislature.
We
pass
the
bills
that
govern
it
and
we
also
pass
the
budget
that
fund
it
and
so
in
this
bill.
A
A
B
Okay,
so
here's
something
I
really
don't
understand:
how
how
can
this
process
be
less
political,
when
a
chamber
with
super
majority
has
to
confirm
the
commissioner
to
me.
That's
the
essence
of
politics
that
one
chamber
that
has
all
the
power
makes
the
decision.
Final
decision
well.
K
I
can
tell
you
that
we
confirm
every
board
member
that
goes
through
the
senate
for
confirmation,
and
we
hear
from
our
members
in
the
house
whether
they
want
that
person
confirmed
or
not.
So
it
is
whether
it's
like
housed
in
the
Senate
still
has
a
lot
of
influence
from
house
members
because
they
talk
to
their
Senator
and
say
this
person
should
not
be
on
that
board
and
that's
how
it
works.
B
Okay,
so
my
concern
is
not
house
first
Senate,
my
concern
is
Republican
versus
Democrat,
and
you
know
your
statement
that
it
was
reconstituated
with
one
party:
it's
not
a
partisan,
School
Board,
it's
educator
school
board,
so
I
mean
you
may
say
that
this
is
following
Cara
and
keeping
politics
out
of
education,
but
I
think
it
plunks
it
right
down
in
politics
and
I
will
be
a
no
vote.
A
K
Right
after
that
happened,
we
passed
a
bill.
That
said,
you
know
no
longer,
could
the
governor
actually
abolish
that
board
and
reconstitute
it,
and
we
also
put
that
it
had
to
be
balanced
between
the
two
major
political
parties
as
well
as
male
and
female,
and
also
minority
ratios
that
are
in
our
state
so
from
here
on.
That's
how
it's
balanced
as
far
as
appointments
go,
but
that's
one
of
the
ways
that
we
did
that.
But
this
is
just
another
way,
because
sometimes
the
Commissioners
thinks
they
are
beholding
to
whatever
the
governor
wants
to
do.
J
Thank
you
a
couple,
quick
clarifying
questions
so
for
a
term
not
to
exceed
four
years,
but
there's
no
limit
on
the
number
of
terms
that
a.
J
K
Well,
like
I
said
we
do
it
for
fish
and
wildlife
as
well,
and
we
felt
like
this
is
a
another
level,
especially
for
Education,
which
is
over
half
our
budget,
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
there
are
some
more
checks
and
balances.
Based
on
what
we've
seen
in
the
past.
Since
Karen
was
brought
in
from
our
governors.
B
M
E
H
D
D
I
think
there
was
real
wisdom
in
that
and
I
think
we
have
seen
that
erode
in
recent
years
and
I
think
part
of
that
erosion
has
been
that
we're
in
the
midst
of
really
some
politically
based
culture,
wars
and
we're
seeing
our
schools
and
our
public
education
professionals
be
really
on
the
front
lines
of
a
political
battle
and
to
me
that
this
makes
that
dangerous
situation
even
worse,
for
our
students
and
for
our
teachers,
so
I'm
a
no
on
this
today.
Thank
you,
chair.
C
A
Chair
of
those
aye
Senate
Bill
107
with
the
house
committee
substitute
passes
for
favorable
expression.
The
same
should
pass
on
the
house
floor.
Thank.
N
P
Yes,
Mr
chairman
I'd
like
to
record
yes
votes
on
Senate
Bill,
3
and
Senate
bill
25.,
okay,.
A
A
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
representative.
Bojanowski
has
a
question.
B
Yes,
just
briefly,
so
how
would
this
impact
Cottage
schools
in
which
students
partially
homeschool
and
partially
attend
an
in-person
school?
Thank.
Q
What
does
this
bill
do
so
this
honestly
came
to
be
because
a
principal
in
my
district
came
to
me
and
said:
did
you
know
that
Fayette
County
Schools
is
going
175
days
and
the
state
minimum
is
170,
but
this
states
that
this
private
schools
that
are
that
are
certified
have
to
go
the
same
number
as
the
minimal
than
School
District
they
reside.
This
simply
removes
that
requirement.
S
R
So
the
bill
I
think
the
problem
really
is:
there's
a
minimum
number
of
days
Statewide,
but
this
pegs
on
a
requirement
that
wherever
the
student
resides
it's
going
to
the
school
you
have
to
base
on.
So
if
you
have
a
student
from
Fayette
County,
you
have
to
go
whatever
number
of
days.
Fayette
County
is
going.
If
your
students
reside
in
Fayette.
County
problem
is
you
know,
Catholic
Lexington
Catholic
might
pull
kids
from
eight
different
counties
or
eight
different
school
districts.
R
B
E
N
J
A
T
T
A
Next
item
on
our
agenda
is
Senate
Bill
156
under
Stephen
West,
and
act
relating
to
a
Statewide
reading,
Research
Center.
A
U
Euros
committees
serious
well,
we
feel
like
I'm
in
court.
That's
good!
Sorry,
I'm
late
Mr
chairman,
as
you
can
tell
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
around
here
right
now,
Senate
Bill
156
sets
up
the
Statewide
reading.
U
During
the
interim
period
this
year
in
government
contract
review,
the
contract
for
ccld
was
not
renewed,
and
then,
after
that,
that
is
not
normally.
You
know
the
death
of
a
contract,
because
the
governor
of
the
administration
can
continue
the
program
if
they
wish.
However,
in
this
situation,
the
administration
through
KDE
and
finance
chose
not
to
renew
that
contract.
U
So
at
that
point
there
existed
a
void
in
in
the
law
under
164.
What
the
state
should
be
doing,
chair
tipped
and
myself
met
with
KDE
in
the
interim
and-
and
this
was
a
KDE
proposal
to
come
up
with
the
new
reading
Center
and
basically
do
what
ccld
was
intended
to
do
and
do
an
RFP,
a
five-year
RFP
with
a
private
third
party
to
do
this
work
and
there
are
numerous
third
parties
who
are
capable
of
doing
this
work.
U
All
that
all
this
would
be
administered
through
KDE,
and
this
would
dovetail
nicely
with
Senate,
Bill
9
and
all
the
work
we've
done
there
and
we've
also
added
some
some
clear
objectives
and
performance
standards
for
for
the
reading.
Center
push.
A
U
U
Okay,
but
that's
what
that
language
does
it's
very
important
that
it
it
basically
puts
some
teeth
into
Senate
bill.
Nine
and
Senate
Bill
9
hasn't
been
working
that
long,
but
we're
already
seeing
tremendous
results
from
that
and
this
just
kind
of
pushes
that
a
little
further
down
the.
A
O
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
representative
Senator
West
language
on
the
front
on
the
first
page,
Section
1,
subsection
C,
it
says,
enter
the
essential
components
of
successful
reading,
phonetic
awareness,
phonics,
fluency
vocabulary
and
so
forth
was
taken
out
and
it
looks
like
section
D
replaced
that
with
data
on
evidence-based
practices,
does
that
mean
we're
no
longer
teaching
Phonics,
that
phonics
won't
be
taught
any
longer
and
the
other
components
that
are
listed
there
that
were
taken
out.
U
I
think
I
think
it's
just
the
opposite.
I
think
there's
this.
This
really
is
a
push
towards
more
evidence-based,
science-based
learning
and
reading
and
there's
been
this
battle
in
case
you
haven't
worked
in
this
space.
There's
been
a
battle
for
quite
some
time
in
in
this
area
as
as
to
where
we
go,
and
this
is
kind
of
a
push
towards
what
seems
to
be
working
in
other
states
like
Mississippi
and
others.
So.
O
U
This
this
Clearinghouse
this
this
reading,
Research
Center,
the
job
of
that
Center,
will
be
to
gather
in
all
resources
in
all
ideas
and
and
study.
U
You
know
what
is
the
best
approach,
what
are
other
states
doing
and
then
provide
all
that
to
our
teachers
and
Educators,
so
they
can
pull
down
the
best
ideas
and
so
in
just
just
a
little
history,
I'm
just
being
frank
here,
ccld
that
that
was
their
job
to
do
that,
the
way
it
was
set
up,
they
had
one
plan
through
the
Ohio
State
University,
and
then
they
had
another
plan.
That
was
frankly
not
very
good
and
you
could
choose
any
plan.
U
U
You
know
the
science
in
and
of
itself
changes,
so
it'll
it'll,
hopefully
give
them
opportunities
to
use
multiple
options
and
and
also
keep
track
of.
What's
working
and
what's
not
working,
we
through
our
nape
scores
were
horrendous,
especially
in
early
literacy,
and
so
apparently,
what
we
were
doing.
What
we're
doing
currently
isn't
working
was
not
working.
So,
okay.
W
Thank
you,
chairman
Tifton,
thank
you.
Senator
West,
mine's,
more
comments
and
from
reading
the
bill
and
I
hope
I'm
understanding
this
right,
but
this
will
not
be
affiliated
with
the
University
of
Kentucky
or
any
other
university
here
in
Kentucky,
like
ccld,
might
have
been
third
party
that
has
a
track
record
of
producing
results
will
be
hired
to
coordinate
this
more
scrutiny
and
better
review
process,
maybe
than
what
we've
had
in
the
past
and
hopefully
goes
back
to
teaching
phonics,
which
we
were
just
talking
about.
W
Instead
of
sight
words
and
that
type
of
thing
and
use
science
of
reading
into
teaching
the
reading
process,
and
if
it
does
those
things,
it
will
be
one
of
the
biggest
pieces
of
legislation.
That's
come
out
of
the
General
Assembly
this
session
and
I
want
to
thank
you
and
and
chairman
Tipton,
for
working
on
this
as
a
lifelong
educator.
W
You
know,
we
all
know
that
if
you
can't
read
by
the
third
grade,
it's
going
to
be
an
uphill
climb
from
that
point
on,
so
anything
we
can
do
to
help
the
reading
process
and
and
I
like
those
things
that
are,
you
know
in
this
bill.
So
thank
you
again
for
what
you
all
have
have
been
working
on.
U
Thank
you,
representative,
Jackson,
just
a
little
context,
chair
Tipton
and
myself.
We
had
spoken
about
that
over
the
interim.
Should
we
open
it
up
to
other
universities
and
set
it
up
that
way,
but
I'm
not
going
to
take
credit
for
this
language
this.
This
was
a
KDE
idea
that
we
agreed
with
to
us.
We
felt
this
was
a
better,
even
an
even
better
proposal.
It
is
to
open
it
up
and
you
know-
and
it's
got
a
five-year-
it's
a
five-year
RFP.
U
A
Any
other
members
have
any
questions
at
this
time.
Seeing
none
Mariah,
please
call
the
row.
B
N
H
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
this
bill
and
thank
you,
chairman
Tipton.
Thank
you,
representative
bojanowski,
for
all
the
work
that
you,
and
so
many
others
have
done
on
this,
and
this
policy
is
just
a
great
example
of
what
we
can
do
when
we
follow
the
science
and
we
follow
the
evidence
and
our
policy
work.
So
thank
you
for
this
example
and
thank
you
for
this
bill.
That's
going
to
help
a
lot
of
kids
and
a
lot
of
teachers.
Thank
you,
chair.
C
A
U
You
Mr
chairman
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
also
thank
representative
bojanowski
for
her
hard
work
on
this
issue
over
the
past
couple
years.
Absolutely.
A
A
Y
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Jason
house
senate.
You
want
to
introduce
yourself
for.
A
S
A
Y
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
Senate
Bill
5
governs
issues
and
materials
that
are
coming
up
in
our
school
systems
that
some
of
the
parents
seem
to
have
some
objection
to.
We
tried
to
kind
of
take
all
sides
into
play
here
on
what
we
were
doing.
Y
We
have
a
very
rich
and
diverse
state
with
a
lot
of
different
opinions
in
different
areas,
and
it's
very
difficult
to
find
a
one-size-fits-all
question
solution
to
some
of
these
I've
talked
to
a
number
of
people
through
this
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
criticism
from
the
folks
on
to
the
left
of
me
and
the
folks
to
the
right
of
me.
They
think
it
either
goes
too
far
or
not
far
enough,
which
probably
tells
me
we
got
it
close
to
right.
Specifically.
Y
Excuse
me
specifically,
the
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
address
the
issues
that
parents
think
may
be
obscene.
We
pulled
the
Cindy
statute,
so
are
already
in
existence
to
have
some
consistency
with
the
application
of
the
law.
It
defines
these
materials
and
events
or
programs.
Y
It
requires
the
each
school
system
to
adopt
a
policy
to
deal
with
these
to
deal
with
these
issues
and
outlines
that
process.
If
a
parent
has
a
problem
with
something
that
that
is
being
addressed
in
the
school,
then
they
must
file
a
written
complaint
with
the
principal
of
the
school.
Their
child
is
in.
The
principal
then
has
10
days
to
review
the
material
to
make
a
determination
about
whether
they
think
that
it
is
harmful
to
minors
as
outlined
here,
and
whether
the
material
will
remain
be
restricted
or
be
removed.
Y
If
it's
an
event
or
a
program,
they'll
make
a
determination
as
to
whether
that
will
go
on
in
the
future
or
not,
and
then
that
within
that
same
10-day
period,
they
have
to
get
with
the
parent
to
address
the
the
principal's
findings
with
the
parent.
If
the
parent
likes
that
situation,
obviously
it
can
go
away
at
that
point.
But
if
the
parent
doesn't
like
the
decision,
then
the
parent
has
to
file
a
written
appeal
to
the
school
board
and
within
30
days
of
that
written
appeal.
Y
Excuse
me,
then
the
school
board
has
to
have
a
full
substantive
and
administrative
review
of
the
material
or
the
the
program
or
event,
and
the
process
that
the
principal
went
through
the
school
board
cannot
delegate
this
to
the
superintendent
or
any
other
group
or
subcommittee.
The
school
board
has
to
address
this
issue
itself
as
a
body
and
within
30
days
of
receiving
this
appeal,
then
they
must
address
this
issue
in
a
board
meeting.
Y
The
parent
gets
to
have
opportunity
for
public
comment
at
the
board
meeting,
where
the
board
votes,
whether
the
material
remains
is
restricted
or
removed,
or
whether
the
program
event
is
eligible
or
ineligible
for
future
participation
by
students
in
that
school.
This
disposition
by
the
school
board
must
be
in
writing.
Y
A
Z
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
It's
always
a
pleasure
being
in
front
of
your
committee,
I
think
Senator
Howell
addressed
anything
everything
that
is
in
the
bill.
We
work
as
a
collaboratively
and
actually
I
was
the
one
that
asked
him
to
carry
this
bill
after
we
worked
together
on
it.
I
think
if
there
are
no
questions,
I'm
good
to
go
forward.
B
B
I
looked
at
the
etymology
of
the
word,
it's
Latin
from
the
late
16th
century
and
it
means
mental
itching.
Could
you
Define
prurient
interest,
and
also
could
you
clarify?
Would
you
consider
that
anything
related
to
homosexuality
would
be
considered
to
appeal
to
a
prurient
interest.
Y
First
of
all,
representative
bojanowski-
this
is
probably
as
much
of
a
literary
issue
than
a
legal
issue
and
I.
Think
you're,
fully
well
versed
in
in
in
the
ability
to
to
read
probably
much
greater
than
I
am
mental
inching
is
an
interesting
definition
of
it,
but
the
the
the
the
Baseline
on
this
is
not
what
I
Define,
but
this
has
been
evolved
through
a
bunch
of
Supreme
Court
decisions
in
this
and
it
the
greatest
the
best
part
about
it
is
I.
Y
B
Thank
you
very
gracious.
Are
you
aware
of
any
districts
that
do
not
have
a
process
for
parents
to
express
their
concerns
about
materials.
Y
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
different
processes
in
place
and
I
think
some
of
them
work
pretty
well,
some
of
them
don't.
There
have
been
some
dissatisfaction
with
how
this
issue
has
been
addressed
in
some
of
the
districts.
Most
of
the
districts
have
a
process
in
place
that
is
kind
of
outlined
by
by
the
Kentucky
School
Board
Association
process
for
dispute
resolution.
AA
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
if
I,
if
it's
okay,
I'd
like
to
ask
a
question
to
make
a
statement,
are
you
okay
with
that?
Thank
you.
The
first
question
I
have
and
thank
you
Senator
Howe,
for
taking
time
to
talk
with
me
on
yesterday.
AA
I
know,
everybody's
been
extremely
busy,
and
one
thing
that
I
I
wanted
to
clarify
in
the
bill
is
in
section
one
subsection
one
a
it
states
there
that
if
it
gives
that
first
statement
and
then
says,
contain
the
exposure
in
an
obscene
in
an
obscene
Manner
and
goes
on
and
gives
that
definition
of
this
obscene
manners
that
could
be
considered
that
should
a
parent
or
an
individual
find
something
in
a
book
that
contained
this.
Y
Thank
you
in
in
short
and
long
terms.
Both
this
is
an
exclusive.
This
is
not
a
comprehensive
definition,
so
any
one
of
the
three
can
be
enough
to
trigger
an
analysis
by
the
principal.
So
it
can,
it
can
come
under
a
b
or
c.
AA
Yes,
sir,
and
then
in
regard
just
to
my
statement
very
quickly
there,
there
is
another
piece
in
that
Miller
Rule,
and
we
discussed
that
a
little
bit
that
deals
with
something
having
that
serious
literary
value
and
kind
of
how
that
that
plays
into
the
equation,
especially
should
something
go
all
the
way
to
the
court
system
that
that's
kind
of
what's
being
used,
as
has
been
used
as
a
standard
overall,
and
we
talked
about
that
I'd
love
to
have
more
conversations,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
even
bringing
this
conversation
to
the
table
is
absolutely
Beyond
important.
AA
AA
But
I've
looked
at
this
resolution
that
came
through
the
senate
in
2018
resolution
170,
and
it
actually
stated
that
pornography
is
a
Public
Health
crisis
and,
in
regard
to
Children,
leads
to
so
low
self-esteem,
risky
sexual
behavior
and
goes
on
and
talks
about
all
these
things
that
are
harmful
to
children
as
a
result
of
exposure
to
pornography,
and
so
I
think
it's
vitally
important
that
we
be
as
bold
as
we
can
possibly
be
on
this
issue.
I
I
do
look
forward
to
voting.
AA
Y
Y
This
is
just
a
definition
part
of
the
statute,
but
kind
of
as
to
whether,
if
there's
one
piece
of
of
a
greater
work
that
might
fall
within
this,
that
comes
under
the
valuation
process
for
the
principal
and
the
board
to
see
if
the,
if
the
body
of
work
is
a
whole
falls
into
the
definition
of
harmful
the
matters
as
as
I'm
sending
to
you
or
if
it
just
has
a
portion
of
a
reference
or
something
like
that
that
that
that
might
trigger
the
definition.
Y
You
know
if
you
had
a
a
art
history
book
and
it
had
a
picture
of
a
Rubens
with
an
exposed
breast
and
part
of
that
that
would
technically
come
under
the
the
statue,
but
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
are
going
to
read
that
to
be
to
be
triggering
killing
the
entire
book
any
more
than
we
would
saying
that
the
The
Book
of
Solomon
and
the
songs
of
Solomon
would
negate
everything
in
a
Bible
to
pull
it
out
of
a
reference
material.
Y
AA
Say
that
that
is
absolutely
what
my
concern
has
been
is
is
being
careful
that
we're
not
so
subjective
that
we
allow
things
to
stay
in
place
that
absolutely
should
go,
and
so,
when
we
take
it
as
a
whole
and
we
look
at
it
as
a
whole,
and
it
does
have
things
that
fall
under
that
category
of
section.
One
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
protecting
something
from
staying
in
place
as
well,
and
we'll
have
more
conversations
about
that
in
the
future.
AA
J
Okay,
so
Senator
I'm,
fine
with
the
process
I'm,
certainly
pleased
that
the
principal's
making
the
call
one
of
my
major
concerns
is
that
formalizing
it.
This
way
breaks
down
the
vital
relationship
between
parents
and
teachers
and
could
have
a
chilling
effect
on
teachers
right
when
they
feel
that
you
know
a
parent
is
going
behind
their
back
versus
what
should
be
happening
which
is
like
hey.
You
know
what
I
saw
this
and
it
really
made
me
uncomfortable
and
at
our
house
we
operate
in
this
way.
Y
Yeah,
first
of
all,
good
question:
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
in
the
statute
that
prohibits
a
parent
from
talking
to
a
teacher
about
it
and
if
they
don't
get
the
redress
that
they
want,
then
they
could
appeal
to
the
principal
on
that
to
kind
of
get
the
ball
rolling
as
far
as
what
this
statute
addresses.
But
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
these
decisions
about
materials
and
and
everything
they're
made
at
a
school
level
too.
Y
So
sometimes
the
teacher
gets
in
in
and
and
I
guess
that
really
the
answer
to
that
goes
to
the
Crux
of
this
of
this
bill
itself.
There
are
certain
teachers
in
certain
schools
within
school
systems
in
certain
school
systems
that
give
teachers
more
latitude
and
more
flexibility
within
their
own
classroom
than
other
years,
and
this
kind
of
in
in
that
same
manner.
Y
This
bill
allows
principals
and
school
boards
to
address
those
issues
with
as
much
local
control
as
they
can
as
well,
without
getting
in
the
way
of
telling
that
particular
teacher
what
they
can
and
from
frankfurt's
Level
telling
that
teacher
what
they
can
or
can't
teach
in
their
classroom.
It
allows
them
to
the
parents
and
the
teachers
to
have
the
opportunity
to
work
that
out
as
a
so
choose
and
then
lets
the
parents
go
through
the
principle
and
then,
through
the
process
outlined
in
the
bill.
J
I
know
everybody's
in
the
tizzy
about
some
dirty
books.
Can
you
give
examples
of
programs
and
events
that
we've
seen
in
Kentucky
in
the
last
year
or
two
that
have
outraged
parents
and
brought
about
this
bill?
Yeah.
Y
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
that.
First
of
all,
it'd
be:
do
we
think
we
need
to
put
tizzy
in
the
definition
session
of
this
too,
but
there
have
been
certain
programs
and
events
that
that,
as
far
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
it
as
far
as
talking
about
any
one
particular
program
or
event.
No,
but
there's
been
lots
of
discussions
about
different
things
that
were
happening
or
that
there
were
concerned
or
happening
or
that
were
happening
in
other
states
that
people
thought
we
needed
to
address
in
this
bill.
J
With
respect
chairman,
this
is
obviously
an
important
bill
that
that
the
house
is
seen
for
the
first
time.
We
got
a
lot
of
interested
parties
here
and
I
think
it
deserves
more
time
for
discussion.
I
will
ask
Senator
whether
you
think
this
is
a
losing
battle
and
the
people
who
support
this
bill
might
be
naive
about
what
happens
on
the
school
bus
at
youth
group,
on
Tick
Tock
and
at
Silver
parties.
Y
Yeah
it's
it's
kind
of
broader
than
that
too.
Isn't
it
as
a
parent
of
three
teenagers?
It's
a
it's
quite
an
interesting
battle.
Working
through
this
I
thought
about
how
much
easier
my
parents
had
it.
Y
My
my
mother
was
a
high
school
English
teacher
and
librarian
and
I
was
always
real
frustrated
when
the
swimsuit
issue
of
Sports
Illustrated
was
not
on
the
shelves,
so
I
could
so
I
could
read
about
sports
in
the
middle
of
that
and-
and
we've
progressed
a
lot
since
those
days,
but
the
the
the
things
that
we're
talking
about
and
I'm
sorry
go
back
to
your
question.
I
went
I,
went
off.
Excuse
me,
Mr
chairman.
J
In
that
removing
a
book
from
the
library
that
you
know,
599
out
of
600
children
will
not
check
out
in
a
decade,
I
think
ignore
some
exposure
that
our
kids
are
having
on
the
school
bus
and
a
youth
group
and
on
Tick
Tock
in
it
right.
Y
Teachers
and
schools
come
with
a
with
a
sense
of
authority
that
is
absolutely
crucial
to
have
in
the
educational
system,
for
children
to
respect
their
teachers
and
to
respect
what
is
being
taught
and
that's
a
more
of
an
authoritative
issue
than
what
your
buddies
may
be
talking
about
on
the
school
bus
going
home
after
that
and
I
think
that's
the
difference.
There.
L
L
I
think
that
that
is
very,
very
important.
I
I
am
slightly.
You
know,
concerned
about
some
of
the
kind
of
the
back
story
I'm
hearing
about
where
and
why
I
did
explore.
I
did
take
a
look
at
Florida's
bill
and
I
know
that
it
was
run
across
the
country
as
it's
book
Banning
it's
book
Banning,
it's
book,
Banning,
well,
their
bill
pertains
particularly
to
K
through
three
and
one
of
the
pieces
that
I
liked
about.
L
It
was
the
fact
that
there
was
a
training,
a
required
training
for
school
media
Specialists
that
they
would
have
to
go
through
to
make
sure
that
they
were
trained
on
develop,
developmentally
appropriate
books
for
topics,
because
most
books
are
choose
Chosen
and
I'm,
not
a
media
specialist,
but
but
it's
reading
Lexile.
It's
word.
It's
how
complicated
the
sentence
structure
is
it's
how
complicated
the
the
vocabulary
is.
So
that's
usually
kind
of
this.
The
framework
that
those
books
are
put
through
I
do
think
that
this
is
appropriate.
L
You
know
some
of
the
some
of
the
topics
that
are
in
some
books
that
are
out
there.
I
don't
want
my
fifth
grader
reading,
I
I,
don't
I
don't
want
them
doing
that
I!
You
know.
Even
you
know,
even
my
14
year
old
he's
not
prepared
to
read
some
of
the
books
that
are
out
there.
L
So
I
do
I
am
supportive.
This
bill
a
couple.
There
was
a
quick
question:
I
had
I'm,
really
big
on
using
systems
that
we
already
have
in
place.
Had
you
all
thought
about
using
that
school-based
spdm
to
kind
of
filter
kind
of
go
through
some
of
this,
and
the
reason
why
I
ask
that,
as
a
former
principal
a
10-day
turnaround
on
on
evaluating
a
book
title
I
I
just
see
that
as
something
that
was
be
overly
burdensome.
Y
Oh
yeah
just
kind
of
a
couple
apart
answer
to
your
question
as
a
as
a
former
sbdm
member,
that's
part
of
the
process
as
well
to
kind
of
discuss
what
topics
are
going
to
be
taught
in
school
for
curriculum,
and
this
sort
of
thing,
the
10-day,
Rule
and
then
I
had
I
had
some
questions
about
that.
We
were
trying
to
kind
of
figure
out
time
frames
on
everything.
Everything's
arbitrary
and
one
thing
to
to
mention
in
this
bill
is
with
all
of
the
timelines
in
this.
Y
It
allows
for
an
extension
of
that
if,
if
all
parties
are
agreeable,
so
if
the
parent
and
the
principal
are
agreeable
to
more
than
10
days
or
if
the
parent
in
the
school
board
are
agreeable
to
more
than
30
days
and
that's
something
that
can
be
extended
out
as
well,
but
I
think
that
that
the
10-day
window
is
sitting
there
to
just
to
to
make
sure
that
the
parents
understand
that
that
their
concerns
are
being
taken
seriously
and
promptly.
Y
And
that's
not
a
there's
a
lot
of
burdens
on
our
on
our
school
administration
that
they
probably
don't
need.
But
this
is
one
that
can
probably
be
evaluated
and
resolved
pretty
quickly
by
reviewing
the
material
and
this
sort
of
thing
and
having
that
short
time
frame
to
address
this
issue
is
something
we
didn't
think
was
an
undue
burden
on
them.
L
And
one
quick
follow-up
briefly,
please
and
I
I
appreciate
your
your
description
as
far
as
art,
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
a
realm
that
will
always
kind
of
push
the
line
as
far
as
I
remember
when
I
I
taught
the
difference
between
classical
art
to
Renaissance
art
was
the
introduction
of
nudity
and
all
my
students.
All
my
sophomores
were
like
nudity
and
nudity
is
just
the
definition
is
absence
of
clothing.
L
So,
when
you're
talking
about
a
painting
where
you
now
show
a
forearm
that
by
definition
is
nudity,
however,
I
got
parent
phone
calls
saying:
why
are
you
showing
nude
pictures
to
my
kids
and
it's
like?
We
need
to
get
into
this
a
little
bit
more
and
Define,
because
art
will
always
push
forward
on
that
one
and
I
think
that
that's
an
area
that
we
need
to
protect
a
little
bit
more.
Thank.
Y
You
yeah
I
think
the
greater
point
in
your
comment
is
the
communication
back
and
forth.
Both
both
ways
can
can
help,
hopefully
eliminate
a
lot
of
those
parent
concerns.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'm,
a
fascinating
conversation
and
I'm
learning
a
lot,
and
some
of
my
questions
have
already
been
answered,
but
you
know
I'm
really
struck
that
this
doesn't
seem
to
be
coming
from
a
real
incident
or
something
local.
That's
that's
happened
in
your
community
or
even
in
our
state
that
this
seems
to
be
part
of
a
national
conversation
that
you
know
has
been
divisive
and
so
that
concerns
me
that
again
we're
sort
of
putting
our
schools
our
Public
Schools
as
the
front
line
of
Battle
of
these
larger.
D
You
know
political
culture
wars,
so
that
that
concerns
me.
You
know,
we
know
we
have
a
teacher
shortage
in
Kentucky,
that's
a
real
issue.
We
know
that
we
have
principals
who
are
so
overextended
trying
to
support
their
teachers.
We
know
that
we
have
school
boards
whose
job
it
really
is
whose
job
it
really
is
to
address
high
level
issues,
and
so,
as
a
former
School
Board
member,
it's
hard
for
me
to
even
imagine,
like
sitting
in
school
board
meetings
discussing.
Are
we
going
to
allow
this
book
or
that
book
it?
D
It
seems
like
an
enormous
amount
of
fuss.
Frankly,
over
possibly
one
parent's
concern
that
there
can
be
tremendous
disruption
to
the
educational
process,
a
lot
of
kids.
D
D
AB
Y
First
of
all,
as
one
former
School
Board
member
to
another,
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
came
before
us
in
in
that
role
that
we
never
dreamed
or
never
dreamed
would
come
or
never
really
understood
how
we
got
there,
and
these
issues
will
will
be
that
as
well.
The
school
board
is
involved
in
this
directly
because
they
are
the
rep.
Y
They
are
the
elected
representatives
for
all
the
students
for
the
student
body
and
they
needed
to
be
able
to
have
the
input,
because
that's
a
direct
line
to
all
the
parents
and
all
the
community
members.
It's
not
just
parents,
it's
community
members
that
have
these
concerns
too.
They
just
may
not
have
a
child
in
the
system,
but
some
of
this
stuff
is
already
here
and
is
in
play
and
whether
it
is
or
it
isn't
sometimes
responsible
responsible
process
for
legislation
is
to
be
proactive
rather
than
reactive.
Z
Mr
chairman,
yes,
could
I
address
that
question.
Please
I!
Think
about
a
year
ago
now,
Governor
Andy,
beshear
and
Department
of
Education.
When
representative
wildner
says
it
hasn't
happened
in
the
way
of
the
show.
It
was
in
my
backyard
that
it
did
happen
that
we
had
what
was
called
twerking
with
one
of
the
administrators
in
the
school
system
at
a
play.
Z
If
representative
wildner
thinks
that
was
appropriate,
Governor
Andy
beshear
condemned
it
highly.
So
it
is
here
and
then
I
have
seen
the
documents,
the
books
that
have
been
taken
to
respective
school
boards
that
are
portraying
various
things.
That
I
don't
think
many
people
would
want
their
middle
school
student
to
be
seeing
in
a
book
that
that
school
system
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
keep
it
in
the
school
system,
and
there
was
no
way
for
the
parents
to
opt
out.
A
W
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
Senator
Howe
and
president
Stivers
good
morning.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
spent
the
last
five
years
on
the
Warren
County
school
board,
so
this
is
something
that
that
I
I've
been
dealt
with.
I
guess.
My
question
is
on
page
three
there
the
vote
cast.
This
is
when
it
gets
to
the
school
board.
Okay,
it's
gotten
all
the
way
through
the
process
to
the
school
board
and
the
vote
cast
by
each
individual
board.
W
Member
shall
be
published
on
the
website
of
the
local
Board
of
Education,
where
it
shall
remain
available
for
review
and
be
published
in
the
newspaper
with
the
largest
circulation
in
the
county.
You
know
the
last
five
years
we've
taken
some
tough
votes
which
I
consider
life
or
death
with
covid.
We
had
a
terrible
tornado
that
came
through
Bowling
Green
in
Western
Kentucky,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
things,
but
we've
taken
some
tough
votes
over
the
last
five
years.
None
of
that
has
been
put
in
the
local
newspaper
per
se.
W
You
know
how
you
voted,
and
my
concern
was
why
that
was
needed
and
why
you
put
that
in
there.
Y
A
number
of
reasons,
but
primarily
just
have
full
transparency
on
this,
to
ensure
that
there
was
no
question
about
where
people
stood
on
this
and
there's
a
a
lot
of
votes
that
we
take
as
school
board
members
that
aren't
that
popular
there's,
a
lot
of
votes
that
we
take
up
here,
that
aren't
that
popular
as
well.
That
we'd
probably
like
to
be
able
to
to
take
a
pass
on
and
and
not
have
to
deal
with,
the
calls
on
our
decisions.
Y
O
Y
O
Y
There
was
a
whole
Litany
of
cases
that
addressed
this
issue
and
it's
like
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues
that
the
Supreme
Court
decides.
Whether
no
one
case
is
the
Silver
Bullet
home
run
on
this.
There
are
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
different
cases
to
treat
different
issues
on
it,
so
there
was
kind
of
a
body
of
work
by
the
Supreme
Court
during
that
period
and
in
later
times
too,
to
address
that
issue.
A
Okay,
that's
the
last
of
our
questions
from
the
members.
We
do
have
10
citizens
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
on
this.
Here's
what
how
I'm
going
to
process
this
in
the
in
dealing
with
her
time
when
asked
each
presenter
to
limit
your
comments
to
three
minutes
so
that
everyone
have
an
opportunity
to
speak.
Who
has
signed
up
the
first
person
I
have
on
my
list,
is
Chuck
Eddy
he'll
come
forward.
Please.
A
AC
Please
proceed
Mr
Eddie.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
all
chairman
Tipton
rest
members
of
the
committee
I'm,
a
graduate
K-12
Public,
Schools
I'm.
Also
the
grandfather
of
a
future
K-12
public
school
graduate
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
this
bills.
You've
heard
people
describe
it
as
a
book,
Banning
bill
and
I
think
it
very
much
is
I.
Think
we've
got
a
real
slippery
slope
here.
AC
AC
In
spite
of
this
throughout
our
history,
people
have
tried
to
ban
books.
Such
examples
are
Kill
a
Mockingbird
Uncle
Tom's
Cabin,
Huckleberry
Finn,
the
Bible
and
many
more
and
as
a
bill
sponsor
mentioned,
you
can
pick
up
the
Bible
and
read
parts
of
it
and
say:
oh,
my
goodness,
people
have
attempted
to
ban
the
Bible
also
today,
there's
an
effort
to
ban
a
lot
of
books
that
have
lgbtq
content.
AC
I'm
very
concerned
about
that
I
feel
like
this
is
an
ex
effort
to
reduce
or
cancel
this
kind
of
culture.
I
read
a
book
and
I
do
recommend
it.
All
boys
aren't
blue.
It's
a
coming-of-age
autobiography
of
a
black
queer
man.
It's
an
excellent
book.
I
read
recently
I,
better
understand
my
lgbtq
friends
and
family,
my
African-American
friends
and
family,
and
my
black,
queer
friends
and
family
I
do
recommend
it.
AC
One
of
my
concerns
is
that
our
education
here
in
Kentucky
is
very
poor
compared
to
the
rest
of
our
country,
we're
43rd
out
of
50
for
overall
rank
of
of
most
least
educated
States,
a
court
we're
also
36
out
of
50
states
and
teacher
pay,
31st
out
of
50
states
and
expenditure
per
pupil.
AC
These
kind
of
things
limiting
what's
in
the
schools,
is
going
to
lead
to
our
Kentucky
students,
our
graduates
being
less
competitive
in
the
country
as
a
whole,
being
less
competitive
in
the
world
as
a
whole,
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
that
and
finally,
I
want
to
say
that
we
have
already
have
processes
in
place.
These
books
are
here
are
measured
by
library
and
media
committees.
For
what's
appropriate
or
not
appropriate
by
age,
that
book
I
referenced
earlier
is
a
high
school
appropriate
book.
AC
A
A
G
Morning,
I'm
Alex
Burling
I'm
from
Kenton
County
and
I'm,
a
mom
to
a
five-year-old
who
will
be
attending
Public
School
kindergarten
in
August
I'm,
also
Friends,
with
several
teachers
and
I
am
a
member
in
solidarity
with
Kentucky
120
aft,
the
teachers
union.
It
is
no
secret
that
Kentucky
has
a
severe
teacher
shortage
and
it
is
absolutely
appalling
that
instead
of
increasing
teachers,
salaries
to
a
livable
wage
and
making
the
education
requirements
to
become
a
teacher
more
affordable,
instead,
the
general
assembly
is
deciding
to
increase
the
teacher's
workload
by
this
legislation,
which
will
can
ban
books.
G
We
already
have
KRS
statues
and
rules
in
place,
like
Mr
Eddie,
said
for
what
type
of
books
and
materials
are
allowed
in.
Our
Public
Schools
I
see
this
bill
as
nothing
more
than
government
overreach,
especially
from
the
party
that
used
to
claim
that
they
hate
big
government
as
parents,
whether
by
desire
or
default.
We
trust
the
experts
in
education,
Public
School
teachers
to
teach
our
kids
school.
Libraries
are
filled
with
diverse
books
and
for
some
kids
it
might
be
the
only
place
where
a
kid
could
choose.
Whichever
book
that
they
want
to
read.
G
G
Government
overreach,
like
this
denies
critical
thinking,
skills
necessary
to
be
autonomous.
Human
beings,
I'm
not
going
to
be
around
forever
and
I
know:
y'all
aren't
either
Senegal.
Five
is
a
slippery
slope
that
I
see
as
a
start
of
a
government
system
like
Nazi,
Germany
or
North
Korea,
so
I
encourage
you
to
vote
no
to
this
Bill.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
AD
Good
afternoon
I'm
Ethan
Osborne
I'm,
with
the
Kentucky
pirate
party
and
the
Communist
Party
of
the
United
States,
the
reactionary
Reich
Wing
is
desperate
to
manufacture
culture
War
outrage
because
they
are
a
minority
of
extremists
who
know
they
are
losing
power.
Their
ideas
are
based
in
Bronze,
Age,
Superstition
and
fantasy.
They
are
unconcerned
with
the
improving
the
material
conditions
for
the
working
class
and
the
poor
and
hell-bent
on
pushing
their
divisive,
authoritarian
and
historical
revisionism.
AD
AD
A
A
A
AE
So
good
morning,
Mr,
chair
and
members
of
this
committee,
my
name
is
Emma.
AE
Curtis
I
would
like
to
explicitly
clarify
that
I
am
not
a
member
of
the
Communist
Party
nor
have
I
ever
been,
but
I'm
a
26
year
old
woman
and
I've
spent
most
of
my
life
in
Kentucky
I've,
attended
private
schools
here,
I've
attended,
Catholic
schools
here
and
I've,
attended
public
schools
here
and
I'm
here
to
urge
you
to
either
significantly
revise
the
definitions
in
this
bill
or
to
vote
against
it,
while
I
do
genuinely
understand
the
desire
to
keep
children
safe
from
material
that
would
do
them
harm.
What
concerns?
AE
What
concerns
me
most
deeply
about
this
bill
is
the
vague
language
it
uses
to
Define
such
material
in
lines
11-13
on
page
one
of
the
bill.
It
defines
this
material
to
include
material
that
quote
unquote,
taken
as
a
whole
appeal
to
the
prurient
interest
in
sex
or
is
patently
offensive
to
prevailing
standards
regarding
what
is
suitable
for
minors.
AE
I've
been
here
for
most
of
this
legislative
session.
I
know
that,
rather
than
sticking
with
the
initial
description
of
this
material
before
line
11,
which
goes
into
much
greater
detail,
enlists
explicitly
what
depictions
of
human
human
sexuality
are
inappropriate
for
minors.
The
addition
of
those
vague
definitions
is,
in
part,
intended
to
open
a
pathway
to
eliminate
students,
access
to
materials
that
depict
in
any
form,
including
non-sexual
forms
members
of
the
LGBT
community.
AE
There
might
even
be
some
of
you
on
this
committee
today
who
would
view
my
existence
as
a
transgender
woman
and
as
a
lesbian
as
appalling
to
the
prurient
interest
in
sex,
and
if
I
were
a
character
in
a
novel
one
that
did
not
depict
any
sexual
acts,
you
would
still
find
the
depiction
of
my
existent
existence
patently
offensive
to
the
prevailing
standards
regarding
what
is
suitable
for
minors.
AE
AE
Students
have
a
right
to
access,
non-sexual
materials
related
to
LGBT
folks,
because
we
exist,
and
we
exist
here
in
Kentucky
and
those
students
who
themselves
are
members
of
the
LGBT
community
or
just
would
like
to
know
more
about
people
who
are
different
from
them
deserve
to
understand
and
should
not
be
banned
from
learning
about
us
in
schools
as
written.
This
bill
would
open
the
floodgates
and
allow
that
to
happen
based
on
outdated
and
archaic
views
that
suggests
that
people
like
me,
simply
existing
in
the
world,
is
inherently
sexual.
AE
I
know
that
not
all
of
you
believe
that
I
know
so
because
I've
spoken
with
several
members
of
this
committee
over
the
past
few
weeks,
you
have
seen
me
you
have
heard
me.
You
have
looked
me
in
the
eyes
and
affirmed
that
I
am
a
human
being,
who
is
worthy
of
dignity
and
respect
as
I
am
and
I
deserve
to
exist
in
the
public
sphere.
Without
my
basic
being
censored,
I'm
asking
you
to
now
either
remove
those
few
lines
of
text
or
vote
against
this
Bill.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AF
A
AF
Sir,
please
proceed.
Thank
you.
So
much
I
haven't
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
everybody
in
this
room,
but
on
Friday
I
sent
out
to
the
entire
general
assembly
what
I
hope
to
be
an
inspiring
story,
a
family
story
involving
Joe
Lewis
and
Max
Schmeling,
and
my
late
father-in-law
and
the
reason
I
did.
That
is
because
I
am
so
deeply
concerned
about
what's
happening
in
our
state
and
our
country,
and
it
was
part
inspiration
and
it
was
also
part
of
we
have
got
to
work
together.
AF
We
have
got
to
be
there
to
support
each
other
and
to
understand,
but
as
long
as
we
put
things
up
like
indoctrination
and
grooming,
we're
blocking
these
important
conversations,
one
of
the
things
that
I've
not
heard
is
which
children
are
we
trying
to
protect.
We
have
a
41
41
suicide
rate
for
our
amazing
lgbtq,
Children
and
Youth
41
percent.
If
that
was
41
percent
of
straight
white
Kentucky
kids,
would
we
be
more
alarmed
I'm
concerned?
Reading
is
freedom?
AF
Knowledge
is
power,
a
child
reading
a
book
queer
nation
is
not
going
to
say,
I
think
I
might
be
queer.
How
we
are
is
how
we
are
born,
but
what
about
the
child
that
needs
that
book
that
that
book
might
be
something
that
helps
to
sustain
to
support,
to
engage,
educate
and
Empower.
I
totally
understand
some
parents,
speaking
up
and
being
outraged
about
different
books.
But,
let's
be
honest,
kids
have
phones
exactly
what
rep
Raymond
said.
My
kids
learned
about
sex
from
pajama
parties,
I'm
a
social
worker,
my
husband's
a
physician.
AF
AF
My
son
didn't
learn
about
anti-lgbtq
through
through
a
book
he
learned
about
it
in
his
church
youth
group.
We
have
a
lot
to
do
in
this
state.
There
are
so
many
other
issues
that
we
should
be
looking
at
and
addressing
everything
from
the
human
sex
trafficking
of
our
kiddos
by
caregivers
and
parents
to
the
abysmal
abuse,
the
neglect
rate,
one
out
of
five
children
living
in
poverty.
These
are
real
issues.
AF
AF
Are
we
going
to
start
Banning
books
about
mental
health
because
it
makes
us
uncomfortable
right
now
in
the
state
of
Kentucky,
one
out
of
three
college
students
are
depressed:
59
percent
increase
in
ER
visits
in
the
past
three
years
with
the
pen
between
the
pandemic
and
all
this
racial
Injustice
and
all
the
political
just
we
ought
to
come
together.
We've
got
to
come
together
and
banning
books
is
not
the
way.
Thank
you.
AG
B
AG
Will
welcome
myself
back
and
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
before
you.
Of
course,
there
have
been
a
lot
of
other
speakers
and
there
are
even
more
coming
so
I'll
keep
my
comments.
Even
briefer
than
I
had
anticipated
walking
into
the
Committee
hearing.
AG
AG
It
is
the
responsibility
of
the
school
to
ensure
a
child
does
not
have
access
to
a
material
that
a
parent
finds
to
be
harmful
and
so
I
think
that
that
is
really
too
big
of
a
responsibility
too
big
of
Authority
for
the
state
to
be
entitled
to
and
and
practically
I
think
it's
very
challenging.
If
you
go
through
the
whole
process
and
and
let's
say
I-
think
another
person
mentioned
to
Kill
a
Mockingbird,
which
was
something
that
my
mom,
a
public
school
teacher,
actually
got
a
lot
of
criticism
over
from
parents.
AG
When
she
was
a
teacher,
let's
say
at
the
end
of
the
process:
look
it's
not
harmful
to
minors.
The
value
outweighs
the
risk.
How
are
you
going
to
ensure
that
that
one
child
out
of
hundreds
or
thousands
cannot
access
that
book?
What
process
are
you
going
to
put
in
place
and
we
think
that
that's
inappropriate
it
will
chill
speech
and
will
further
push
us
along
in
a
trajectory
that
could
Empower
too
big
of
a
government.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to.
A
A
AH
I
grew
up
in
a
religious
household.
My
parents
were
very
religious
and
also
very
homophobic.
I
did
not
hear
any
positive
messages
about
the
lgbtq
community.
Growing
up
and
I
also
did
not
know
any
lgbtq
adults.
So
when
I
was
growing
up
and
realized
that
I
was
lgbtq,
I
didn't
see
that
there
was
a
future
I
didn't
see
that
a
future
was
possible
because
I
didn't
see
it
anywhere
but
lucky.
For
me,
I
was
a
very
nerdy
child
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
my
time.
AH
Reading
I
found
fiction
books
that
had
lgbtq
characters
and
also
non-fiction
books
about
lgbtq
people
in
the
world
and
I
found
Community
there,
where
it
wasn't
safe
for
me
to
have
a
community
in
person
being
able
to
read
those
books.
Let
me
see
that
there
were
other
people
like
me,
and
not
only
were
there
other
people
like
me,
they
had
full
and
fulfilling
lives
and
got
to
live
to
be
adults
to
prevent
my
parents
from
finding
out
the
things
that
I
was
reading
a
lot
of
times.
I
borrowed
those
books
from
my
school
library.
AH
The
acceptance
that
I
saw
in
those
books
was
so
important
for
me
as
a
child,
and
I
want
every
child
all
across
Kentucky
to
have
the
same
access
to
those
books
and,
if
they're,
in
a
place
where
their
parents
don't
accept
them
or
their
Community
doesn't
accept
them
that
they
can
see
the
same
thing.
I
saw
that
there
are
other
lgbtq
people
out
there.
My
concern
with
this
bill,
specifically,
is
the
lack
of
clarity
in
language.
AH
The
term
puriant
interest
and
prevailing
standards
leave
too
much
room
for
interpretation.
In
my
opinion,
I've
heard
from
legislators
in
Frankfurt,
including
some
here
today-
that
no
one
wants
to
be
lgbtq
or
hurt.
Lgbtq,
kids
and
I
appreciate
that
completely
I
think
this
bill.
The
way
it
is
currently
worded
would
have
negative
consequences
for
lgbtq
people.
AH
If
there
were
a
school
board
out
there
that
wanted
to
ban
any
mention
of
lgbtq
people,
including
books,
simply
about
having
two
parents
or
about
historical
figures
under
this
bill,
they
could
do
that
if
you're
wanting
to
specifically
prevent
depictions
of
nudity
or
sex
acts
or
descriptions
of
those
acts,
I
support
that
I
think
the
language.
AH
A
A
V
AI
AI
I
am
here
today
to
try
to
impress
upon
you
the
urgency
of
this
issue,
while
I
appreciate
this
bill
and
I
am
advocating
for
its
passing
I
want
you
to
know
the
gravity
of
the
situation
that
we're
facing
so
that
packet
that
you
all
have
is
from
me
there's
pictures
and
excerpts
from
certain
books.
So
you
understand
exactly
what
we
as
Grassroots
leaders,
are
talking
about.
AI
AI
I,
don't
hear
anybody
talking
about
these
images
that
are
being
put
in
front
of
minor
children.
All
I
hear
is
about
lgbtq.
If
there's
books
out
there
that
don't
have
those
sexual
content-
fine,
let's
let's
get
them
in
there,
but
we
need
to
get
this
sexual
content
away
from
our
children
in
school
buildings
and
I.
Think
I
heard
somebody
mention
that
this
is
too
big
of
a
job
for
the
school
to
regulate,
for
parents
to
opt
out,
I
agree.
V
Are
you
done
yeah,
okay,
so
some
people
may
not
be
aware
of
how
the
book
dispute
process
works
in
school
libraries
anytime,
a
book
is
found
to
be
of
concern
to
a
family.
They
have
to
bring
it
to
the
site-based
decision,
making
Council
that
Council
evaluates
the
book
and
then
decides
whether
or
not
to
remove
it.
Generally
speaking,
most
councils
take
this
very
seriously
and
handle
these
concerns
appropriately.
However,
there
have
been
cases
where
councils
decide
that
the
concerns
of
the
family
did
not
justify
the
removal
of
book
it's
and
allowed
it
to
remain.
V
When
this
happens,
families
are
left
with
no
recourse
and
no
other
way
to
appeal.
Some
people
may
say
just
don't
let
your
kid
read
it,
but
my
question
for
them
is:
how
am
I
supposed
to
stop
my
student
from
reading
an
inappropriate
book?
If
I
don't
even
know
if
it's
in
there,
there
are
no
R-rated
sections
in
the
libraries
there's
no
content.
Labels
on
them,
like
on
music
I
mean
they
have
explicit
labels
on
the
music
that
we
can
listen
to.
But
there
are
none
of
that
on
books.
How
are
we
supposed
to
know?
V
V
So
the
whole
purpose
of
this
bill
and
I
am
so
thankful,
for
it
is
just
to
give
parents
an
appeal
process.
There
has
to
be
some
kind
of
way
and
we
don't
want
to
put
this
on
the
teachers.
That's
literally
what
we're
trying
to
avoid
is
having
to
put
more
work
on
them.
This
takes
it
to
the
school
board
level
in
the
principal
and
says:
hey,
let's
figure
this
out
together
and
I
love
that
it's
about
bringing
it
together.
It's
not
about
being
divisive.
V
It's
not
about
banning
books,
like
Miranda,
said
we're
not
talking
about
the
little
second
grade
books
that
you
know
talk
about.
You
know
two
daddies
we're
not
talking
about
that.
We're
talking
about
graphic,
violent,
sexually,
inappropriate
books
that
do
not
need
to
be
in
there.
These
are
our
tax
dollars.
Why
are
we
spending
money
on
this
to
show
our
kids
that
and
there's
no
way
a
librarian
can
read
every
book
and
make
sure
that
it's
appropriate
for
kids
I
mean
that
also
would
put
more
work
on
them.
V
A
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Next,
we
have
Myrna
Eads.
A
AB
AB
None
of
them
have
been
anti-lgbtq.
The
word
porn
in
kids
should
never
be
in
the
same
sentence,
but
this
seems
to
be
the
world
that
we're
living
in.
We
all
know
that
porn
is
addicting.
The
following
statistics
come
from
the
Journal
of
American
Medical
Association
Jama,
psychiatry,
psychiatry.
Today
in
the
Journal
of
safe
sex
research,
the
exposure
of
children
to
porn
is
harmful
to
their
developing
brains.
Teens
are
at
Great
risk
of
developing
a
porn
addiction.
Our
brains
react
to
porn
in
the
same
way,
an
alcoholic
or
a
drug
addict
brains.
AB
AB
Studies
found
that
the
exposure
to
violent
or
rape
porn
increase
a
child,
a
child's
odds
of
experiencing
sexual
exploitation
of
nearly
three
times
young
people
between
the
ages
of
11
to
17,
who
knew
about
porn
agreed
that
watching
porn
made
others
less
respectful
of
the
opposite
sex.
The
exposure
to
porn
is
having
an
impact
on
the
development
of
harmful
sexual
behaviors,
with
the
first
acts
of
sexual
violence
occurring
in
15
to
16
year
olds.
AB
Research
reveals
that
adolescent
porn
consumption
is
significantly
associated
with
earlier
sexual
debut
increased
casual
sex,
increased
sexual
aggression,
both
as
perpetrators
and
as
victims,
engaging
in
anal
intercourse
and
sexting
porn
leads
to
unrealistic
attitudes
of
sex
and
has
a
damaging
impact
on
young
people's
views
on
sex
and
relationships
and
porn
also
introduces
teens
to
same-sex
intercourse,
sexual
bondage,
bestiality,
group,
sex
and
sexual
violence.
We
need
to
stop
normalizing
sex
rape,
abuse
drugs
and
that's
the
agenda
that
seems
to
be
being
pushed
in
the
schools
and
this
binder
that
I
have.
AB
A
AJ
AJ
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
before
the
committee
I'm,
a
father,
a
single
father
of
a
14
year
old
son
from
Campbell
County
I'm.
Also,
a
member
of
the
Campbell
County
moms
for
Liberty
chapter
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
and
then
I
want
to
read
a
letter
from
a
media
specialist
from
the
Fayette
County
Public
School
System,
but
you
know
again,
I
think.
AJ
AJ
Kids,
don't
need
to
see
sexual
and
read
sexual
content;
they
don't
think
about
those
things
when
they're
that
age,
you
know
so
again,
I.
You
know
you
know
this
bill
is
it
goes
back
to
just
you
know
we're
protecting
kids,
that's
what
we
have
to
do
and
you
know
again
I.
You
know
ask
you
to
please
support
this
because
it
is
happening.
I
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
on
social
media,
as
some
of
you
know,
and
it's
happening
all
over
the
country.
It's
happening
in
Kentucky
and
we
have
to
stop
it.
AJ
So
with
that
comment,
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
read
a
letter
from
Laura
Barnes,
the
media
specialist
from
Fayette
County
Public
Schools,
who
could
not
be
here
today,
dear
House,
Education
committee
members,
the
mission
of
Fayette
County
Public
Schools,
is
to
create
a
collaborative
community
that
ensures
all
students
achieve
at
high
levels
and
graduate
prepared
to
excel
in
a
global
Society.
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
in
case
I
haven't
gotten
your
attention.
Yet
the
purpose
of
the
master
of
arts
in
secondary
education
with
initial
certification
program
is
to
prepare
the
Next
Generation
of
Social
and
racial
Justice
Educators.
Who
will
work
with
our
students
and
families
to
advocate
for
educational
Justice
in
Kentucky,
schools,
communities
and
Beyond?
AJ
AK
My
vote,
please
please
proceed.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I.
The
word
censorship
comes
to
my
attention.
As
we've
had
this
conversation
and
I've
listened
intently
and
I've
learned
a
lot,
but
my
vote
is
no.
Thank
you.
AL
I'm
grateful
for
everyone
who
showed
up
today
to
express
your
opinion
about
the
bill
to
give
some
details
for
sharing
some
materials
with
us.
I
appreciate
that
very
much
for
being
involved
and
I
do
appreciate
the
tedious
effort
that
it's
going
to
take
to
to
go
through
this
process
and
I
hope
it
deters
some
of
this
material
that
we're
making
it
into
the
school
system.
I
think
it'd
be
amazing
to
see
how
quickly
that'll
happen
and
and
I
do
think
we
can
educate
without
without
porn.
So
I
appreciate
the
work.
E
N
N
C
L
Explain
my
vote.
I'm
a
yes
today
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
we
stay
focused
on
what's
developmentally
appropriate
and
I.
Think
the
topics
are
something
that
we
need
to
the
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
after
your
presentation.
We
need
to
be
very,
very
careful
about
what
we
start
eliminating
from
content
and
curriculum.
Thank
you.
L
H
A
Chair
votes,
I
with
16
I
votes
and
four
notes:
Senate
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression.
The
same
should
pass
on
the
house
floor,
representative
Decker.
Would
you
like
to
record
some
votes?
Please.
A
Go
ahead
and
use
your
on
your
mic
from
I
believe
was
this
the
only
Bill
you
were
hearing
present
for
I
know
you
had
to
present
a
bill,
another
committee.
It.
A
G
A
Members
pay
attention
for
announcements
for
meetings
that
may
be
coming
forward
later
in
the
week
at
that.
The
meeting
is
adjourned.