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A
President,
we
have
a
quorum
or
a
dually
constituted
conduct
business
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
to
moving.
I
will
remind
everyone
today.
This
is
clearly
a
very
full
agenda,
as
we
address
some
of
the
final
priorities
of
this
legislative
session.
So
I
would
ask
that
everyone
be
succinct
in
your
comments
and
say
only
what's
necessary
to
members
of
the
committee.
A
I
would
ask
that
we
limit
what
we're
doing
to
concise
questions,
as
opposed
to
lengthy
comments,
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
call
lawyer
to
the
table
a
very
distinguished
one
and
a
friend
of
this
committee
in
this
commonwealth,
and
I
believe,
for
what
will
be
his
final
appearance
to
present
a
budget.
Is
that
correct,
the
chief
justice
of
the
commonwealth
and
sir?
As
always,
it's
good
to
see
you
again
and
the
floor
is
yours.
Thank.
C
You
mister,
mr
chairman,
let
me
get
my
microphone
here
I'll.
I
appreciate
the
committee
giving
me
an
opportunity
to
be
here
today
to
appear
in
person
for
what,
as
the
chair
says,
will
likely
be
my
unless
you
have
more
business.
For
me,
this
is
likely
to
be
my
last
appearance
before
the
legislative
committee,
and
the
chairman
has
has
emphasized
my
need
to
to
move
quickly
because
I've
got
to
be
in
court
here
shortly.
C
So
I
always
have
a
lawyer
excuse
in
my
pocket
center
west
for
14
years
last,
14
years
since
my
earliest
days
as
chief
justice,
my
top
priority
has
has
been
to
attempt
to
invest
in
the
elected
officials
and
non-elected
of
employees
who
carry
out
the
critical
work
of
of
doing
justice
in
the
courts
in
kentucky.
C
The
judicial
branch,
as
you
all
know,
makes
up
about
3
percent
about
3
percent
of
the
overall
state
budget,
and
the
majority
of
our
funding
covers
is
is
to
cover
the
salaries
of
our
employees
and
our
elected
officials.
We
estimate,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
that
the
judicial
branch
salaries
are
about
7,
500
or
or
20
percent
less
than
those
of
comparable
jobs
in
the
other
two
branches
of
government
and
that's
a
considerable
gap
that
we're
going
to
attempt
to
address.
C
I
believe
that
we
would
all
agree
that
it's
not
logical
and
it's
not
fair
for
judicial
branch
compensation
to
lag
so
far
behind
the
rest
of
state
government
and
starting
now,
and
if
we
can
move
quickly
toward
a
remedy
that
will
significantly
close
this
gap.
That
has
has
been
in
existence
for
for
many
many
years.
It's
a
generational
problem.
C
C
We
appreciate
very
much
the
message
that
we
heard
the
senate
sending
by
giving
the
executive
branch
employees
a
4
500
increase
in
fiscal
year
2023
and
a
potential
10
increase
in
fiscal
year
24.,
and
while
we
certainly
would
appreciate
the
same
sort
of
increase
in
the
judicial
branch
for
our
employees,
the
fact
remains
that,
even
with
that,
we
will
remain
7
500
or
approximately
20
percent
below
the
compensation
levels
in
the
other
two
branches
unless
we
significantly
bump
up
our
entire
salary
scale.
C
Second,
the
majority
54
of
our
current
employment
complement
they're
already
in
the
tier
three
cash
hybrid
retirement
plan,
which
does
not
carry
the
same
pension
burden
for
the
state
that
it
does
for
employees
in
tiers
one
and
two
and
finally,
because
of
our
low
salaries.
The
judicial
branch
is
one
of
the
lowest
has
one
of
the
lowest
contribution
rates
for
kers
and
cers
for
tier
one
and
two
employees
that
all
that
adds
up
to
a
reduced
financial
impact
for
court
operations.
C
Another
impact
of
our
our
low
pay,
sadly,
is
a
high
turnover
rate,
which
is,
in
my
mind,
alarming
we're
seeing
40
percent
annually
turnover
in
urban
areas.
Critical
front-line
positions,
like
our
pre-trial
services
specialists,
we've
lost
over
a
third
of
our
workforce
about
a
thousand
employees
in
the
last
four
years.
C
C
C
C
Our
court
designated
workers
process-
you
know,
realize
you
realize,
complain
they
process
complaints
against
children
under
age
of
18
before
any
action
is
taken
in
in
court.
The
court
designated
worker
program
has
recurring
vacancies
in
bullitt
county
in
davis
county
in
hardin
county
in
jefferson
county
in
kenton
county.
Currently,
there
are
no
cdws
at
all.
In
bullitt,
county
staff
from
other
counties
have
to
cover
those
positions
as
well,
which
creates
you
know
added.
The
added
stress.
C
C
They've
been
working
for
subpar
wages
for
years,
and
the
stress
of
carrying
on
court
operations,
particularly
during
these
stress
years
of
the
covet
19
pandemic,
has
taken
an
enormous
toll,
we're
simply
not
being
they're
not
simply
not
being
compensated
adequately
for
the
volume
and
complexity
of
the
work
that
they're
called
upon
to
do.
Our
justices
and
judges.
Members
of
this
committee
rank
at
the
bottom
of
judicial
salaries
across
the
country.
C
On
average,
our
judges
earned
32
000
or
25
percent
less
than
the
average
pay
for
general
jurisdiction.
I'm
talking
about
the
circuit
judge
trial
court
level.
They
earn
25
percent
less
than
the
average
general
jurisdiction
judge
nationwide
and
over
the
last
12
years
our
judges
have
received
only
a
7
percent
overall
increase.
Those
small
through
small
and
sporadic
raises
this.
This
provides
little
incentive,
and
this
is
my
concern,
mr
chairman
long
term.
C
C
We're
grateful
that
the
house
has
adequately
funded
the
request
for
temporary
and
permanent
spaces
in
graves
county
and
new
judicial
center
in
leslie
county,
but
we're
asking
the
senate
to
restore
the
funding
that
was
included
in
our
budget
recommendation
for
capital
repair
projects
in
hardin
county
and
in
jefferson
county
we're
asking
for
4.5
million
dollars
for
an
hvac
system
in
the
hardin
county
justice
center
to
replace
the
system
that
really
currently
is
inoperable.
We
got
a
nice
facility.
C
C
As
you're
aware,
the
construction
costs
have
skyrocketed,
the
cost
per
square
foot
for
judicial
center
projects
has
risen
from
about
four
hundred
dollars
per
square
foot
to
six
hundred
to
six
hundred
ten
dollars
per
square
foot.
The
judicial
branch
will
need
an
operational
accumulative
annual
use
allowance
of
2.4
million
dollars
to
complete
capital
construction
projects
already
authorized
in
barron
bath,
butler
clinton,
crittenden,
jasmine
oldham
and
scott
counties
without
extending
the
bond
for
another
25
years.
C
And
finally,
we
appreciate
the
house
for
funding
our
request
for
a
new
trial
case
management
system
using
the
american
rescue
plan,
act
funds
and
we're
asking
the
senate
to
maintain
that
funding
for
our
budget,
as
I
close
real
quickly.
Mr
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
I
want
to
reiterate
the
gravity
of
our
request
to
fund
the
judicial
branch
salary
parity
plan.
C
If
we
don't
move
quickly
to
rectify
the
pay
inequities
that
have
plagued
our
system
for
for
many
years,
we've
been
discussing
pay
parity
with
you
for
a
long
time
we're
running
out
of
time,
as
they
say
it's
it's
time
for
now
from
I'm
gonna
stop
talking,
I'm
hoping
that
you
can
can
can
hear
my
plea.
C
I
hope
I
can
count
on
you
to
act
by
using
your
considerable
influence
to
support
full
funding
for
salary
parity
for
the
judicial
branch
employees
and
I'm
grateful
for
the
time
you've
given
me.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Thank.
A
You,
mr
chief
justice,
and
in
my
own
admonition
I
will
refrain
from
any
remarks,
although
I'm
sure
we
could
go
hours
on
question
and
comment,
but
we
sincerely,
I
want
to
say
this
if
this
happens
to
be
the
last
time
you're
in
front
of
this
committee.
We
appreciate
your
service.
We
appreciate
your
your
measured
approach
to
many
many
things
and
wish
you
the
best
of
everything
in
any
future
endeavor.
You
have
thank.
E
Just
a
very
brief
comment
to
to
echo
what
the
chairman
said:
chief,
your
model
of
leadership
and
your
vision
and
your
professionalism
over
the
years
is
something
that
we've
long
admired.
E
I've
long
admired-
and
I
appreciate
your
friendship
very
much
as
well,
so
I
look
forward
we're
not
going
to
let
you
skate
out
easy,
though
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you
invest
your
time
and
your
talents
and
your
passions
in
once
you
move
into
the
next
phase
of
what
life
holds
for
you,
because
you
have
a
tremendous
skill
set
and
god's
placed
on
you,
some
things
to
do
that.
We
just
don't
know
what
they
are
yet.
So
thank
you.
A
E
E
As
you
mentioned,
this
is
the
area
of
government
most
people
encounter
and
if
it
is
not
running
effectively,
we
cannot
deliver
justice
for
the
people
who
encounter
it.
Do
you
have
any
recommendations
of
what
other
states
have
done?
Who
might
have
found
themselves
in
similar
places
to
make
sure
that
their
judicial
branches
are
running
effectively
efficiently
and
able
to
deliver
the
type
of
justice
and
law
that
our
people
of
kentucky
expect.
C
C
But
I
I
I
don't
think
I
could
say
clearly
enough
how
really
important
it
is
for
us
to
focus
on
the
long-term
quality
of
the
judiciary
and
and
while,
while
you
know,
there's
there's
a
there's,
a
large
element
of
public
service
in
your
heart
when
you
or
desire
for
public
service
in
your
heart,
when
you,
when
you
do
that,
the
repeat
financial
realities
of
it
is
you
still
have
a
you
know,
family,
to
support
and
and
and
children
to
educate,
and
it
is
if
we've
got
to
be
able
to
attract
people,
the
quality
of
people
who
who
have
had
a
successful
law
practice
who
have
been
coming
actually
right
now,
a
commonwealth's
attorney
in
any
county
makes
more
than
the
judge
he
appears
she
appears
before
and
while
that's
not
a
bad
thing,
the
bad
thing
is,
the
judge
is
so
he's
the
lowest
paid
person
in
the
room
and
and
long
term
that
that
that
it
needs
to
it
that
we
need
to
put
the
the
the
money
there
to
to
attract
the
people,
the
quality
of
people
who
who
you
want
on
your
case,
to
be
sitting.
A
Very
well,
thank
you,
sir
okay,
and
with
that
we're
going
to
wrap
this
portion
up
good
luck
in
court
today,
sir.
Thank
you.
I
hope
the
court
is
kind
to
you
all
right.
Moving
along
we're
going
to
have
up
first
house
bill
137
by
representative
frontie,
this
one
gets
into
a
couple
of
complexities,
as
we
have
subs
and
amendments
on
it.
I
believe
that
they
are
pretty
much
known
to
those
in
in
their
fairly
technical
in
nature.
A
So,
representative,
fronty,
first
of
all,
the
chair
is
going
to
entertain
a
motion
on
the
committee
substitute
by
senator
gibbons
second
by
senator
carroll,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
havoc
committee
substitute
one
on
house
bill
137,
I'm
sorry
that
is
actually
committed
substitute
three
on
house
bill.
137
is
in
front
of
us
really
briefly
ma'am.
If
you
wouldn't
care
to
explain.
Okay.
F
This
issue
was
brought
to
me
by
the
director
of
the
narcotics
task
force,
which
operates
out
of
muhlenberg
county
and
they
used
to
get
the
stipend,
but
they
were
excluded
due
to
the
interpretation
by
of
statute
by
the
dojct
docjt,
but
recently
included
in
the
budget
bill
house.
Bill
137
addresses
full-time
peace
officers
who
are
pop
certified
and
in
compliance
with
in-service
training
requirements,
but
their
agency
is
not
authorized
to
receive
the
supplement
it's.
This
issue
has
previously
been
addressed
in
the
budget
bill
and
this
simply
codifies
what
the
general
assembly
has
been
doing
recently.
F
It
adds
by
statute
officers
serving
in
joint
task
forces,
detectives
working
with
the
county
attorney
in
jefferson
county,
any
detective
employed
by
a
county
attorney
process
servers
for
juvenile
courts
in
jefferson
county
and
any
detective
for
commonwealth's
attorney
and
via
committee
sub
in
the
house.
We
added
the
local
alcohol
beverage
and
control
investigators
at
the
request
of
representative
miller
and
senator
adams.
F
Again,
these
officers
would
be
eligible
to
receive
if
their
agencies
have
been
eligible,
and
this
sub
simply
takes
out
section
completely
takes
out
section
two,
which
I
appreciate
representative
or
senator
carroll,
for
helping
with
that
yesterday,
it
was
felt
like
it
was
discovered
that
the
language
agreed
on
by
the
klc
was
already
included
in
section
one
with
a
reference
to
krs,
15
460.,
so
section
2
is
redundant.
So
if
there
are
no
questions
again,
I
just
reiterate
this
codifies
existing
budget
language
and
expires
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
very.
A
Well,
thank
you
ma'am
at
this
time,
though,
I
believe
we
have
a
committee
amendment
is
that
distributed
or
should
be
in
your
position?
Okay,
so
the
yes,
the
the
amendment
is
in
your
folder.
Basically
we're
changing
the
word
an
investigator
to
a
detective
in
two
places
and
in
one
place
we're
changing
the
word
investigator
to
detective
in
a
third
just
not
with
the
capitalization
being
the
beginning
of
a
sentence.
A
That
okay,
so
at
this
time
we
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
committee
amendment
to
the
committee
substitute.
Do
I
have
a
second
by
senator
caslin?
I
believe
that's
a
roll
call
vote,
no
voice
vote.
All
is
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
like
sign
the
eyes.
Have
it
the
amendment
to
the
committee
substitute
is
adopted
at
this
time.
A
G
A
By
senator
carroll,
do
I
have
a
second
senator
nemas,
all
those
in
favor,
say
by
five
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
like
sign
the
eyes.
Have
it
at
this
time
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
for
consent
by
senator
givens.
Do
I
have
a
second
second
by
senator
west,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
the
eyes
have
it.
It
goes
on
consent
representative.
Thank
you
for
a
good.
B
A
A
And
senator
howe,
you
guys
have
been
tireless
advocates
for
the
western
kentucky
safe
fund
and
the
recoveries
from
the
tornadoes.
Sometimes
we
get
around
this
place
and
it
turns
into
a
little
bit
of
a
whirlwind,
but
certainly
nothing
like
the
situations
that
you
guys
have
confronted
there
on
the
ground,
and
the
committee
does
appreciate
your
ongoing
leadership
and
work
on
the
efforts,
and
at
this
time
there
is
a
committee
substitute
in
front
of
the
committee
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
on
the
sub.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
We
will
be
brief
on
your
time.
This
is
the
second
tranche
of
safe
act,
money
that
is
being
released
to
the
executive
branch
in
the
tune
of
75
million
dollars.
H
There
has
been
the
committee
sub
makes
a
few
small
changes
that
add
in
wording
that
says,
but
only
for
the
extent
of
damages
directly
caused
by
the
storm,
and
it
also
also
tightens
up
the
language
as
far
as
what
the
request
is
going
to
be
for
the
a
r
committee
when
the
executive
branch
reports
back
during
the
interim,
so
these
funds
are,
are
direly
needed
right
now.
H
My
judge
executive
in
hopkins
county
has
a
10
million
dollar
bill
sitting
on
his
desk
that
he
has
to
pay
on
the
23rd
of
this
month
or
he
has
to
take
out
a
loan.
So
these
are
very
important
funds
that
need
to
get
rolling.
A
I'm
sure
we
appreciate
your
effort
on
it,
sir
senator
howe.
You
have
any
comments
at
all.
No
I'm
just
here
for
question
purposes.
You're
just
there
for
good
looks,
I
understand,
motion
by
center
anemones
do
I
have
a
second
by
senator
castle
and
all
those
in
our
mountain
secretary.
Please
call
the
roll.
A
Seven,
I
votes
eight,
a
vote.
Eight,
I
votes
no,
nay
votes.
The
measure
passes
with
favorable
expression.
At
this
time,
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
for
consent.
Senator
carroll
drive
a
second
second
by
senator
kaslan.
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
the
eyes
have
it
motion
goes
on
consent.
Gentlemen,
thank
you
for
your
ongoing
work.
We
appreciate
it
all
right
we're
going
to
skip
over
195.
A
That's
mine,
I'm
here
until
the
bittersweet
end
anyway,
so
to
let
some
of
these
other
folks
clear
their
issues
out
we'll
roll
along
next
up
house
bill,
219,
representative
mosher
and
we
do
have
leave
us.
Miss
criswell,
want
to
testify
on
behalf
of
it
just
for
support
all
right.
Very
well.
Well,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
supporting
it.
We
do
appreciate
it
representative
if
you
and
your
guests
could
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed.
A
D
D
I
I
completely
agree-
and
I
thank
them
both
for
being
here
with
us
today.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you
committee
for
allowing
us
a
few
minutes
to
present
this
very
important
piece
of
legislation.
House
bill
219
will
increase
and
improve
lung
cancer
screening
in
kentucky
the
committee
sub
that
we
just
adopted
simply
names
this.
The
margaret
and
poor
lung
cancer
screening
act
after
my
mom,
and
I
appreciate
the
late
introduction,
thank
you
for
allowing
that
in
2021,
an
estimated
4
970,
kentucky
kentuckians
were
diagnosed
with
cancer
and
another
260
kentuckians
died
of
lung
cancer.
D
Lung
cancer
is
the
nation's
leading
cancer
killer
and
kentucky,
unfortunately,
has
the
unfortunate
unfortunate
designation
as
being
number
one
in
the
nation
in
lung
cancer.
Currently
only
18
percent
of
kentuckians
are
screened
are
getting
those
early
screenings
and
we
know
that
screening
is
essential
to
saving
lives,
particularly
because
when
lung
cancer
is
discovered,
it's
typically
discovered
because
an
individual
is
having
symptoms
and
by
then
it's
really
very
late
to
treat
and
it's
it
is
absolutely
less
treatable,
which
my
friends
here
with
me
will
describe
late
late
stage.
D
D
I
You
very
much
chairman
and
committee
members,
it's
a
privilege
to
be
here
today,
I'm
a
thoracic
surgeon.
I've
been
operating
on
patients
with
lung
cancer
for
30
years,
and
while
we've
made
advances
with
minimally
invasive
techniques,
robotic
procedures
and
so
forth,
and
we
can
get
patients
out
of
the
hospital
in
two
or
three
days
with
a
successful
operation
to
be
able
to
cure
most
of
these
cancers.
I
Lung
cancer
has,
for
decades
been
seen
as
over
80
percent
late
stage
diagnosis,
except
in
the
last
few
years.
Since
we've
invoked
lung
cancer
screening,
a
ct
scan
done
annually
for
patients
that
are
eligible,
we've
been
able
to
see
a
drop
in
late
stage,
lung
cancer,
and
that's
going
to
be
a
dramatic
change
in
survival.
As
we
begin
to
move
these
patients
into
early
stage
diagnosis.
I
What
we're
proposing
here
is
an
advisory
committee
to
be
able
to
evaluate
the
current
status
and
the
evidence
that's
available
for
lung
cancer
screening
and
what
are
the
best
strategies
for
being
able
to
move
lung
cancer
screening
forward
in
kentucky
we've
been
able
to
do
this
in
a
research
project.
That's
been
operating
for
about
eight
years
and
has
been
able
to
affect
increasing
effective
lung
cancer
screening
and
changing
the
quality
of
lung
cancer
screening
using
specific
techniques
that
we
can
advance
across
the
state.
I
The
funding
mechanism
here
will
allow
us
to
be
able
to
operationalize
these
strategies
in
other
areas
across
the
state
and
incentivize
programs
for
being
able
to
improve
access
to
lung
cancer.
Screening
for
eligible
populations
decrease
disparities
that
exist
in
lung
cancer
screening
and
be
able
to
move
us
from
where
we
are,
which
is
currently
the
second
leading
state
in
the
country
for
lung
cancer,
for
lung
cancer
screening
of
eligible
populations.
That's
a
great
progress
for
us,
but
we're
still
only
screening.
I
As
representative
said,
18
percent
of
the
eligible
populations,
colon
cancer
and
breast
cancer
enjoy
80
70
access
for
eligible
patients.
We
can't
wait
the
decades
that
it's
taken
them
and
we
have
to
be
able
to
move
this
forward
and
we
have
a
mechanism
to
do
that.
We
certainly
appreciate
your
time
today
and
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
advocate
for
this.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yes
thank
you.
Chairman.
I've
been
in
family
practice
now
for
35
years
and
far
too
often,
I've
seen
the
scourge
of
lung
cancer
upon
my
patients
and
their
families.
It's
a
very
aggressive,
very
fast-moving
cancer
and,
as
we've
mentioned,
unfortunately,
is
often
caught
too
late.
Fifty
percent
of
lung
cancer
is
historically
present
in
stage
four,
when
there's
less
than
a
five
percent
chance
of
cure,
we
now
have
a
mechanism
for
going
after
this
cancer.
We
can
do
low
dose
ct
lung
cancer
screens.
J
I
had
never
heard
of
a
low
dose
ct
lung
cancer
screen
in
2016
when
I
joined
the
thoracic
oncology
disease
management
team,
the
american
academy
of
family
practice,
just
in
april
of
last
year,
recognized
it
as
a
valid
screening
test
we're
now
going
after
lung
cancer,
we're
finding
it
in
the
early
stages,
and
not
only
are
we
finding
lung
cancer
in
early
stages,
even
when
we
find
lung
cancer
in
stages.
Three
and
four
there's
a
much
greater
hope
for
these
patients.
The
technologies
of
modern
medicine
offer
these
patients
a
much
greater
chance
of
cure.
J
We
have
patients
that
are
10
to
15
years
into
stage
3
and
stage
4
lung
cancer.
Now
with
no
evidence
of
disease.
We
couldn't
say
that,
10
years
ago,
at
st
elizabeth
we've
put
a
lot
of
investment
into
our
lung
cancer
screening
program,
we're
one
of
the
most
successful
screening
programs
in
the
country.
We've
done
over
22,
000
screens,
there's
only
a
handful
of
programs
in
the
country
that
can
say
that
the
good
news
is.
Is
that
we're
finding
one
lung
cancer
for
every
64
screens
that
we
do
we're
finding
55
of
the
screens?
J
J
I'm
just
about
done
we're
working
very
closely
with
a
lot
of
state-based
initiatives.
Tim
touched
on
those
and
we're
also
working
with
the
kentucky
health
collaborative,
and
this
bill
will
greatly
assist
in
our
efforts.
We
are
making
a
big
difference
and
we
are
witnessing
one
of
the
greatest
turnarounds
in
healthcare
in
modern
medical
history.
Kentucky
is
now
number
two
as
tim
said,
but
we
will
soon
be
number
one,
and
I
bet,
and
by
the
end
of
this
year
we
will-
and
I
thank
you
for
your
support.
Thank
you.
Center
meredith.
G
Thank
you,
miss
chairman.
I
congratulate
you
on
the
bill.
You
know.
I
hope
that
this
mirrors
the
same
success.
We
have
with
culling
screening
that
we've
seen
it's
been
tremendous.
You
know
disappointing
it's
taken
so
long
to
get
to
this
point
and
I
like
the
bill's,
fully
supportive
of
it.
But
one
of
the
criticism
I
have
this
whole
situation
is
our
managed
care
organizations
which
are
responsible
for
the
third
of
our
population.
Now
are
supposed
to
be
improving
the
health
of
population,
and
I
want
to
know
where
they
are
on
this.
G
You
know
they
should
be
the
ones
that
bring
this
to
us
and
saying
we
need
to
focus
on
this
and
I'm
committing
what
you
folks
are
doing,
but
they
should
have
stepped
up
a
long
time
ago.
So
it's
a
criticism
of
the
job
they
have
done.
They've
had
this
for
10
years
now
and
have
not
moved
the
needle.
If
they're
going
to
be
responsible
for
the
health
healthy
population,
they
need
to
be
responsible
without
the
population,
but
I
commend
you
on
this
bill
and
look
forward
to
see
it
move
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
Cast
my
voting
explain
proud
to
support
it
and
dr
gizke,
as
somebody
who
kept
my
grandmother
alive
many
years
ago,
that
you
probably
didn't
realize
that.
A
Great
thanks,
she
was
all
but
a
lifelong
smoker,
and
you
gave
her
a
lot
of
years
beyond
what
we
thought
we
could
have,
and
we
do
appreciate
it
and
I'm
proud
to
in
just
a
little
way
help
you
advance
that
for
somebody
else.
So
thank
you.
I
mean
nine
eye,
votes,
no,
nay
votes.
The
measure
passes
with
favorable
expression,
motion
for
consent,
senator
west
second,
by
senator
meredith,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
as
have
it
very
well,
goes
on
consent.
Thank
you.
Ma'am
thank.
A
A
A
H
A
L
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
scott
lewis,
14th
district
house
bill
259
codifies
the
ksp
trooper
pay
raises
that
are
included
in
the
house
budget
house
bill
1
provides
for
a
15
000
pay
increase
for
state
troopers
blow
a
sergeant
ranking
in
a
10
pay
increase
for
for
those
at
above.
The
sergeant
ranking.
L
According
to
dcjt
survey
from
2021
house
bill,
1
and
house
bill
59
would
increase
the
starting
pay
of
ksp
troopers
from
the
current
40
088
per
year
to
55
888,
making
ksp
a
top
five
law
enforcement
agency
and
paying
benefits
when
compared
to
other
departments
across
the
state.
To
reiterate
house
bill
259
simply
asks
to
align
krs
with
what
has
already
been
been
done
in
the
budget.
A
A
Either
being
eight,
I
votes
no
nay
votes.
The
measure
passes
with
favorable
expression.
I
do
anticipate
seeing
this
in
some
type
of
a
conference
most
likely,
but
I
guess
consent
wouldn't
necessarily
affect
its
ability
to
go
to
conference,
because
you
guys
would
still
need
to
recede,
but
this
time
I'll
entertain
a
motion
on
consent.
A
L
A
There
is
a
committee
substitute
on
this
and
just
briefly
and
in
line
with
a
lot
of
what
we've
done,
we're
trying
to
take
up
budgetary
items
inside
of
the
confines
of
the
budget
as
presented.
So
all
this
does
is
is
sets
up
the
framework
and
defers
the
funding
conversation
until
we
talk
about
the
budget
as
a
whole
to
have
a
motion
on
the
sub
senator
givens.
Do
I
have
a
second
senator
meredith,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
hi
oppose
like
sign
the
eyes.
Have
it
sub
is
adopted
guys
go
ahead?
Thank
you.
A
Aye
there
be
nine,
I
votes,
no,
nay
votes.
The
measure
passes
with
favorable
expression.
This
time
motion
senator
west
secretary,
senator
meredith
for
consent.
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
oppose
like
sign.
You
guys
have
it
very
well,
congratulations,
sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
appreciate
it
all
right.
So
next
up
we're
going
to
go
to
senate
bill
232
rep,
senator
mills.
You
come
on
forward,
sir.
H
This
bill
is
this:
bill
is
something
that
came
out
of
two
years
ago.
We
had
pva
task
force
and
this
this
idea
came
out
of
the
pva
task
force.
It's
really
an
idea
that
we're
talking
about
when
we
had
arpa
money,
one-time
investments
into
state
government
that
would
help
us
become
more
efficient
in
in-state
government,
and
this
is
dealing
with
pvas.
I
have
mr
tom
crawford
and
his
kathy
thompson
kathy
thompson.
H
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
again,
my
name
is
tom
crawford,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
office
of
property
evaluation.
That's
within
the
department
of
revenue.
This
would
be
a
tremendous
improvement
in
the
way
the
tangible
property
returns
are
filed.
Now
they
are
filed
with
paper
documents
in
the
pva
offices
and
a
sizable
number
of
those
returns
get
directed
to
kathy's
area
and
we
have
to
forward
those
up
to
each
pva
office
for
processing.
J
Then
they
are
manually
data
entered
by
the
pva
deputies.
It
takes
a
lot
of
personnel
time
to
do
that,
always
an
opportunity
for
data
entry
errors
that
need
to
be
found
and
corrected
as
well.
F
F
It
will
also
allow
the
pvas
to
upload
these
into
their
other
tax
role
programs.
The
current
mainframe
system
is
over
30
years
old,
and
it's
just
it's
time
for
an
upgrade.
The.
H
My
pva
tells
me
that
he
has
one
employee
dedicated
to
this
about
three
to
four
months
out
of
the
year,
so
multiply
that
we're
doing
manual
labor
work
in
these
offices
when
we
should
be
upgrading
on
technology.
This
is
a
the
ask,
is
3.25
million
first
year
and
second
year.
That's
one
time
monies
I
think
it'd
be
a
good
investment
to
make
us
more
efficient,
very
well.
A
Seeing
no
questions
I'll
entertain
a
motion
by
senator
carroll.
Do
I
have
seconds
senator
west
mount
secretary
call
the
roll.
E
A
I
guess
neither
there
being
nine
eye
votes,
no,
nay
votes.
The
measure
passes
with
favorable
expression.
You've
put
a
good
bit
of
work
in
on
this,
though
I
think
this
is
probably
we'll
hold
it
off
of
consent
between
the
work,
the
appropriation
probably
at
least
talk
about
it
on
the
floor,
some
so
we'll
we'll
proceed
in
that
manner.
Thank.
A
You,
mr
chairman,
guys
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
We
sincerely
appreciate
you.
Okay,
next
up,
we
are
going
to
take
up
senate
bill
285
and
act
relating
the
confidentiality
of
tax
information.
I
am
the
sponsor
of
this
bill.
However,
we
have
some
guests
here
to
speak
briefly
on
it.
So
at
this
point,
gentlemen,
I
would
like
you
guys
to
identify
yourselves
for
the
record
and
proceed.
L
A
L
L
It's
a
very
good
benefit
for
our
citizens,
but
increasingly
our
partner
cities
have
asked
for
access
to
those
filings
in
order
to
do
audits
and
compliance
work.
We
feel
that
the
change
before
you
would
allow
that
access,
while
also
protecting
the
confidentiality
that's
protected
under
the
statute.
I'm
going
to
ask
treasurer
cox
to
further
explain.
M
For
the
purpose
of
efficient
filing
kenton
county
is
the
agent
for
occupational
license
fee
collection
enforcement
for
15
of
the
16
cities
that
have
occupational
license
fees
in
kenton
county.
The
furthest
distance
between
any
of
those
cities
is
only
seven
miles
with
most
of
them
concentrate
on
the
north
end
of
the
county.
In
2020,
kenton
county
processed
46
641
returns,
the
majority
of
those
have
more
than
one
tax
jurisdiction
per
return,
with
some
having
all
15
cities,
as
well
as
kent
county.
M
While
the
return
itself
is
one
page
listing
all
the
jurisdictions,
there
can
be
more
than
20
supporting
documents.
The
returns
and
supporting
documents
are
scanned
and
kept
digitally
by
kenton.
County
cities
are
increasingly
performing
audits,
analysis
on
their
revenue,
streams
and
taxpayers.
To
do
this
on
the
occupational
license,
cities
need
access
to
the
tax
returns
and
supporting
documents
provided
by
their
taxpayer.
Currently,
if
those
documents
have
other
jurisdictions,
information,
the
digital
documents
must
be
printed
redacted
and
copied
again
to
fully
redact
documents.
M
Examples
of
audits
recently
performed
include
payroll
reported
in
incorrect
cities.
Sales
reported
in
incorrect
cities-
and
this
happens
a
bit
because
of
the
cities
are
so
close
together.
The
proposed
change
to
the
current
legislation
will
allow
the
cities
to
review
the
entire
digital
document
to
ensure
businesses
are
filing
correctly
in
their
city
for
their
ordinance.
This
allows
for
proper
auditing
and
compliance,
while
maintaining
a
system
that
encourages
consolidated
efforts
and
one-stop
shop
to
the
taxpayer
very.
A
Good
and
gentlemen,
I
will
add
that
this
is
a
good
thing
for
kenton
county
businesses
as
well,
because
as
long
as
cities
stay
on
a
consolidated
document,
it
makes
life
a
lot
easier
for
kenton
county-based
businesses
to
fill
out.
One
return,
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
thing
to
try
to
help
keep
everybody
in
in
alignment
on
this.
Do
we
have
any
questions?
We
have
a
motion
from
senator
caslin.
Second,
from
senator
douglas
with
that,
madam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
A
Castaneda,
there
being
nine
eye
votes,
no,
nay
votes.
The
measure
passes
with
favorable
expression,
I'm
going
to
move
for
consent,
but
I
know
this
is
a
fairly
new
item
for
for
members
of
this
committee.
So
if
we
end
up
with
any
objection
from
interest
groups
or
otherwise,
I
will
be
the
one
to
make
the
motion
to
remove
it
for
consent,
but
for
the
purposes
of
expediting
the
floor,
I'm
going
to
at
this
time
make
the
motion
for
consent.
A
E
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
senate
bill.
249
is
a
housekeeping
measure
for
the
cabinet
for
economic
development.
Today,
I'm
joined
by
tony
ellis
from
the
cabinet
for
economic
development
as
well
as
katie
smith,
yes,
and
so
they
assisted
in
the
drafting
of
this
legislation.
E
We
did
notice
that
part
of
the
legislation
section
two
actually
did
pass
already
and
senate
bill
111
last
year,
so
we
may
do
a
housekeeping
measure
through
a
floor
amendment,
but
the
the
rest
of
the
measure
is
basically
some
policy
interpretations
regarding
tech,
investments
and
other
economic
investments
within
the
commonwealth
and
I'll.
Let
mr
ellis
speak
to
that.
K
Sure,
and
and
just
sb
111
it's
this
year,
senator
gerdler's
bill.
They
passed
it
you've
passed
it
already
with
a
floor
amendment,
so
that
section
will
have
to
get
struck.
This
is
this
bill
outside
of
we're
just
talking
about
with
section
two
really
does
three
things.
The
first
is
we
had
changed
previously:
the
amount
for
the
angel
fund
tax
credit,
which
is
individual
investors
to
decrease
from
40
to
25
percent
for
for
non-distressed
in
rural
areas
and
keep
it
at
40
percent.
K
We
wanted
to
do
the
same
thing
with
the
fund
credit,
but
we
already
had
agreements
with
funds
because
they're
multi-year
investments,
and
rather
than
amend
those
agreements
and
given
the
craziness
of
the
past
two
years,
we
worked
with
the
funds
to
say:
let's
extend
it
through
funds
approved
as
of
january,
1st
2023
can
keep
the
credits
that
they
have
at
the
same
rate.
So
that's
the
top
part.
The
the
back
part
section
4
is
just
we
had
a
fund,
an
investment
fund
that
had
been
done
years
ago,
that
isn't
active
anymore.
K
We
had
closed
down
two
of
those
and
rolled
them
into
our
one
active
fund
last
year.
The
kentucky
enterprise
fund,
now
that
we've
identified
this
fund
and
a
bank
balance
of
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars.
We
want
to
basically
roll
that
into
our
active
state
investment
fund
for
startups
and
venture
capital
companies
as
well,
and
the
third
part,
which
is
section
three,
is
a
change
to
the
tiff
program.
In
essence,
and-
and
I
may
butcher
this
a
little
bit
because
I
am
not
the
tif
expert,
I've
got
I've
got
katie.
K
Who
does
all
of
these,
and
many
of
you
may
have
interacted
with
her
in
the
past.
But
my
understanding
is
that,
ultimately,
for
situations
where
people
are
seeking
tif
tips
that
involve
state
dollars,
so
not
just
local
area
development
districts,
but
state
area
development
districts.
We
are
required
by
statute
to
hire
an
outside
consultant
and
prepare
a
report.
K
Usually
what
happens
is
that,
prior
to
the
preparation
of
that
report,
many
of
the
counties
that
come
to
us
may
not
understand
a
lot
of
the
concepts
or
figures
such
as
net
new
jobs
or
net
revenue,
and
they
end
up
getting
their
own
report
anyway.
So,
rather
than
having
them
first
learn
about
these
concepts
as
they
come
to
the
cabinet,
given
that
they
already
spend
the
money
and
by
the
time
you're
getting
to
state
money.
It's
a
pretty
large
tif.
The
the
legislation
simply
says
get.
K
The
report
first
have
that
discussion
at
the
local
level,
so
that
you
understand
the
concepts
and
so
that
we
aren't
essentially
the
bad
guys
because
we're
statutorily
required
to
do
this.
You
know
we're
statutorily
required
to
hire
an
outside
consultant
so
that
the
conversation
is
a
lot
more
productive
and
can
move
a
lot
quicker
when
they
actually
get
to
the
cabinet.
We
think
this
is
a
positive
change.
A
K
A
Right,
thank
you
guys
for
the
bill
today,
senator
wheeler
to
your
point
and
katie.
So
you
know
there's
some
concern
about
some
of
the
local
applicability
of
the
tiff
section
in
section
three,
so
I'm
gonna
get
with
you
have
a
conversation.
If
he's
filed
an
amendment
anyway,
try
to
roll
it
all
into
one.
So
we
don't
have
a
bunch
of
stuff
on
the
floor,
but
at
this
time
are
there
any
questions
can.
K
A
G
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
just
quickly
tony
ellis
is
going
to
be
leaving
state
government,
and
I
want
to
thank
him
for
his
work.
It's
been
a
pleasure
working
with
him,
as
I
served
as
chair
of
the
economic
development
committee
and
wish
him
the
very
best.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
I
can
also
join
those
comments.
He's
been
a
wonderful
person
to
work
with
and
we're
going
to
miss
you
around
here.
A
All
right,
thank
you
guys
for
your
time
and
testimony
today.
Okay,
last
up
is
senate
bill
195.
This
is
my
bill
and
there
is
a
committee
substitute
this
time,
I'll
entertain
a
motion
on
the
sub
senator
givens.
Do
I
have
a
second
second
by
senator
douglas
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
I
was
like
sign
the
eyes.
Have
it
john?
A
If
you
would
like
to
come
forward,
please
so
senate
bill
195,
I
will
acknowledge,
is
a
fairly
broad
piece
of
legislation
and,
as
I
committed
to
the
members
when
I
wrote
to
you
about
this,
I
am
open
to
necessary
adjustments
to
it,
but
sometimes
we
are
presented
with
odd
opportunities
where
public
policy
and
human
demand
intersect,
and
I
believe
that
we're
one
of
those
odd
points
in
history.
What
I'm
referring
to
specifically
is
all
of
us
have
seen
the
unfolding,
not
just
humanitarian
crisis
but
catastrophe
in
the
ukraine.
A
In
the
past
three
weeks,
three
million
folks
who
otherwise
were
going
about
normal
lives
have
been
displaced
into
the
joining
nation
of
poland.
That
would
be
roughly
the
equivalent
in
three
weeks
of
450
000
new
people
entering
the
borders
of
the
commonwealth
with
nothing
but
the
clothes
on
their
back.
A
As
this
year
advances.
There
are
probably
going
to
be
significant
opportunities
to
help
with
the
resettlement
of
these
people,
who
wanted
nothing
but
to
be
free
and
are
leaving
countrymen
behind.
Who
were
fighting
the
very
kind
of
fight
that
this
nation
fought
fought
several
centuries
ago
to
be
able
to
live
free
in
a
nation
where
they
self-determine.
A
So
I'm
going
to
talk
briefly
about
the
mechanics
of
the
bill,
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
john
with
the
kentucky
refugee
ministries,
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
refugees
and
the
work
that
they
do
in
the
hopes
that
we
would
have
with
this.
But
basically,
what
we're
doing
here
is
setting
up
a
fund
whereby
we
would
appropriate
ten
thousand
dollars
per
family,
who
is
displaced
by
international
conflict,
up
to
5
000
families,
to
be
relocated
to
the
commonwealth,
as
well
as
establishing
a
last
dollar
in
scholarship
for
the
children.
A
A
Obviously,
this
is
for
refugees
displaced
by
international
conflict
broadly,
but
more
specifically,
we
believe
that
over
the
course
of
the
next
six
to
nine
months,
the
opportunities
to
resettle
ukrainians
is
pretty
dramatic.
As
we
know.
As
I
say,
we
talked
about
the
human
element.
The
public
policy
element
is,
we
know
we
have
a
workforce
problem
in
this
commonwealth
and
we're
not
going
to
get
out
of
that
anytime
soon.
N
Yes,
thank
you
senator
mcdaniel,
I'm
john
kohlinger,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
kentucky
refugee
ministries.
I've
been
working
at
km
for
22
years
and
we've
been
resettling
refugees
in
in
kentucky
for
32
years.
I
do
thank
senator
mcdaniel
and
givens.
We
spoke
briefly
about
this
and
the
appalling
situation
in
ukraine
and
not
in
detail
about
the
bill,
but
I
do
want
the
broad
committee
to
know
that
kentucky
has
a
outsized
role
in
the
u.s
refugee
program,
which
is
a
federal
program
through
the
state
departments.
N
N
So,
just
recently,
as
you
recall,
the
u.s,
we
were
settled
over
70
000
afghans,
most
of
whom
did
direct
professional
service
to
our
military
or
the
u.s
mission
in
afghanistan
and
were
evacuated
in
august
krm.
We
were
settled
over
460
of
them,
300
in
louisville
126
in
lexington,
about
40
in
northern
kentucky.
N
You
know-
and
I
can
say,
we've
had
overwhelming
in
doing
so.
We
had
overwhelming
community
support,
we
had
dozens
and
dozens
of
teams,
primarily
from
faith-based
communities
who
provided
furniture,
food
assistance,
rental
assistance,
clothing,
and
that
was
a
very
successful
effort
here
in
kentucky
and
I'm
proud
to
say,
a
good
number
of
those
afghans
who
were
settled
here
in
kentucky
october
november
december
they're
already
working
come
in
a
variety
of
industries,
amazon
ups
manufacturing
industries
around
the
state,
but
that's
just
an
example.
N
This
goes
back
30
years
we
have
large
and
thriving
bosnian
communities.
Louisville
lexington
bowling
green
done
very
well.
Kids
are
doing
very
well
with
continuing
education,
proud,
naturalized
citizens.
We
have
some
ukrainian
refugees.
The
krm
lexington
is
resettled
around
nicholasville
jessamine
county.
These
are
family
members
of
ukrainians
who
suffered
christians
who
suffered
religious
persecution.
N
A
N
If
I
could
make
one
correction,
there
is
in
kentucky
there's
the
state
refugee
coordinator's
office,
the
kentucky
office
for
refugees.
It's
a
nonprofit
organization
affiliated
with
catholic
charities.
They
administer
a
good
amount
of
the
federal
funding
for
krm
and
for
the
other
resettlement
agencies
in
the
state.
So
I
would,
of
course
I
endorse
the
appropriation
for
all
refugees,
but
would
direct
it
to
the
kentucky
office
for
refugees
for
allocation
to
all
the
agencies
and
refugees
in
kentucky,
not
my
organization
krm,
so
very
good.
N
A
A
It
doesn't
apply
to
just
ukrainian
refugees,
it's
it's
any
refugee.
That
is
correct.
Just
clarify
those
two
things.
Thank.
N
You
senator
west,
yes,
each
year,
there's
a
presidential
determination
on
refugee
admissions.
It
is
125
000
for
this
federal
fiscal
year
and
to
give
the
committee
a
sense
of
the
scale
kind
of
in
my
22
years
at
working
at
krm,
the
the
hot
largest
number
of
refugees
were
settled
in
the
state.
Statewide
was
2016.
N
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
quickly
when
I
read
this
and
it's-
and
I
I
support
this
completely,
but
I
have
to
admit
that
there
was
a
a
level
of
discomfort
that
I
felt
simply
because
of
all
the
issues
that
we
have
at
the
southern
border
and
how
we
have
kind
of
in
a
way,
maybe
demonize
those
folks
that
are
trying
to
to
cross
at
that
border
and
many
of
them
coming
from
countries
where
they
live
in
danger
every
day,
so
so
very
difficult
situations
that
they
come
from.
Can
you
comment
a
little
bit
about?
G
Maybe
the
number
of
refugees
that
are
coming
through
at
our
at
our
southern
border
and
it's
a
whole
other
issue
that
our
immigration
process
is
too
slow
and
there
are
people
that
want
to
come
through
that
just
simply
can't
get
through
the
process.
Quick
enough.
N
It's
an
onpoint
question,
senator
carol,
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
up.
You
know
the
refugees
we're
speaking
of
like
from
ukraine
or
other
countries
are
screened
overseas
through
the
state
department,
you're
referring
to
asylum
seekers
and
migrants
coming
from
central
america,
and
I
can
say
in
louisville
we
have
a
substantial
cubing
community
people
who
are
fleeing
repression
and
deteriorating
conditions
in
cuba
who
come
to
the
border.
N
They
have
to
apply
for
asylum.
You
know
the
same
persecution
claim
krms
as
refugees
overseas.
Our
attorneys
do
resen
represent
them
in
asylum
proceedings.
It's
a
high
threshold
of
proof.
Of
course,
there
are
other
migrants
who
come
here
for
economic
opportunity
and
who
are
working
in
agriculture,
that
equine
industry
construction
throughout
the
state,
but
that's
a
separate
and
actually
much
larger
group
of
immigrants
coming
to
the
you
know
to
the
united
states
than
the
refugees
were
talking
about
through
the
state
department
program.
A
You,
mr
chairman,
very
good,
okay,
seeing
no
other
at
this
point
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
on
the
bill
by
senator
nemes.
Do
I
have
a
second
by
senator
douglas
madame
secretary?
Please
call
the
roll.
M
Vote
I
today,
I
know
the
chairman's
willingness
to
continue
to
work
on
this
piece
of
legislation,
and
you
know,
as
somebody
who,
actively
volunteers,
helping
refugees
there
in
owensboro
our
church.
We
give
driving
lessons
on
saturdays
to
the
afghans
to
be
able
to
work
with
them.
M
I
also
have
some
reservations
about
the
legislation
and
sometimes
trying
to
figure
out
where
the
role
government
is
versus
the
role
of
in
this
particular
matter,
and
so,
as
I
continue
to
work
forward
on
this,
I
just
thank
you
for
what
you
do
for
our
refugees
and
the
committee's
willingness
to
look
at
this
and
look
forward
to
working
with
the
chairman
on
maybe
making
some
slight
changes.
Thank
you.
G
To
echo
some
of
the
things
that
senator
castle
and
said
I
am
going
to
avoid
I,
our
church
is
also
very
very
much
involved
in
resettlement
of
refugees,
but
but
I
do
think
there
are
some
other
things
in
the
bill.
I'd
like
to
see
changed
a
little
bit.
Thank
you.
A
Castaneda
there
be
not
nine
eye,
votes,
no,
nay
votes.
The
measure
advances
with
favorable
expression.
I
do
know,
there's
a
desire
to
work
on
this
just
a
little
bit,
but
I
will
tell
you
if
you
have
a
desire
to
work
in
that
regard,
get
with
me
in
very
short
order,
because
I
do
amend
and
intend
that
any
amendment
filed
will
go
quickly
at
this
time.
There's
a
title
amendment
I
have
emotional
entitlement.
Senator
west.
Do
I
have
a
second
senator
webb,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
F
G
I
know
I
was,
I
was
gone
for
a
short
period
of
time.
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
record
a
vote
trying
to
figure
out
which
one
I
missed
one
on
150,
I
believe
in
a
bill
150.
I
was
absent
for
I'd
like
to
record
her,
and
I
deny
vote.