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A
A
D
All
right,
thank
you
chairman.
This
bill
was
brought
actually
last
year,
as
we
were,
having
our
meetings
and
going
out
into
the
public
always
having
zoom
meetings
with
people.
They
were
asking
me
can't
we
do
something
about
the
religious
exemption
of
vaccinations
and,
I
said,
don't
know,
but
we
can
try.
D
Last
year
we
filed
it,
we
didn't
pursue
it
as
hard
as
we
have
this
year
and
I'm
thankful
to
senator
west
who
helped
us
and,
along
with
we've,
dealt
with
some
of
those
in
leadership
to
find
out
where
and
what
we
can
do
and
basically,
on
my
side
of
the
bill.
Is
you
know
when
I
came
here?
One
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
protect
was
our
religious
liberties.
D
I
really
do
I've
had
some
moments
that
you
feel
like
that
you're
fighting
a
losing
battle,
but
in
this
situation
all
I
want
to
be
able
to
is
what
we
came
here
for
when
we
came
over
from
england,
or
you
know
you
know
we
wanted,
we
didn't
need
the
we
need
the
freedom
of
religion.
This
bill
just
says
on
my
behalf
that
we
have
the
right
to
reject
a
vaccination
based
upon
our
own
freedom
of
religion.
Our
freedom
have
a
religious
exemption,
don't
need
the
church
or
anybody
else
in
it's.
D
D
D
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
don't
know
about
the
rate
question.
I'm
a
real
estate
lawyer,
so
real
estate
lawyers
say
yes,
I
have
a
totally
different
rate.
I
think
I
don't
do
contingency
work
but
yeah.
We.
This
is
an
important
issue
to
the
state
rick
filed,
the
senator
girdler
sorry
filed
the
bill
and,
and
he
started
the
ball
rolling.
We
worked
with
leadership.
We
worked
with
several
other
members
of
the
caucus
to
get
a
final
work
product.
The
committee
sub.
E
There
was
some
question
as
to
whether
or
not
there
would
be
an
issue
as
to
forming
a
new
protected
class
religious
protected
class.
It
doesn't
do
that
because
it's
in
a
different
section,
we
took
out
the
conscientious
exception,
part
of
the
part
of
the
bill.
So
now
it
is
just
religious
and
medical,
but
real
real
quick.
Mr
chairman,
if
you
don't
mind
I'll
go
through
the
bill,
it's
a
simple
bill.
It's
in
two
parts,
the
first
part
of
the
bill
simply
allows
when
an
employer
does
a
vaccine
mandate
in
kentucky.
E
E
As
part
of
that,
we
also
we
require
that
the
employer
provide
notice
of
these
exceptions
to
their
employee.
We
put
in
the
bill
how
they're
supposed
to
do
that.
It
is
very
simple
to
the
employer.
It's
a
one-page
sign-off
sheet,
the
companies
that
are
doing
vaccine
mandates,
I'm
sure
they're
already
having
the
employees
sign
something.
So
it's
really
there's
no
more
bureaucracy
than
than
is
already
there.
E
So
it
simply
says:
if
you're
going
to
have
a
vaccine
mandate,
the
employee
has
to
have
notice
of
it.
They
have
to
have
the
opportunity
for
these
two
exceptions
and
they
have
to
sign
off,
what's
important
to
note
and
what
most
people
don't
realize
is
these
two
exceptions
already
exist
in
other
areas
of
the
law
as
it
pertains
to
the
federal
law?
There's
already
an
exception
when
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
second
on
the
second
part
of
the
bill.
E
E
If
a
health
department
mandates
a
vaccine
in
kentucky,
you
you
have
under
214
you,
you
have
these
rights
for
religious
exemption
there
already.
So
this
just
kind
of
follows
follows
what
we
already
do
there.
The
second
part
of
the
bill
there.
There
is
a
federal
vaccine
mandate
as
it
corresponds
to
health
care
entities.
E
That
mandate
was
held
up
by
the
u.s
supreme
court.
They
struck
down
one
mandate
but
held
up
another
mandate,
and
that
was
one
of
those
as
part
of
that
existing
federal
law.
There
is
another
section
of
federal
law
that
allows
a
religious
exception,
that's
already
in
federal
law.
So
this
all
this
bill
does
in
that
case
is
say.
E
If
you're
one
of
those
entities,
you
have
to
provide
notice
to
your
employee
that
that
exception
exists
and
they
have
to
sign
off
on
it
just
like
just
like
we
did
in
the
upper
section
of
the
bill.
So
that's
that's
the
essence
of
the
bill
this
in
our.
In
my
opinion,
this
is
about
medic,
personal,
individual
medical
freedom,
the
right
to
choose
for
yourself.
A
Thank
you.
Both
we've
got
someone
named
bethany
clark
with
what
looks
to
be
the
kentucky
medical
freedom
group
here.
If
you
want
to
come
up
and
speak,
did
you
want
to
speak?
Yes,
it
didn't
say
yes
or
no.
It
just
mentioned
the
bill
number.
You
can
sit
over
here
yeah,
while
you're
getting
situated.
Senator
berg
you've
got
a
question
fire
away
and
senator
neal
after
that.
C
C
C
Exception
right,
my
concern,
then,
would
be
with
the
second
page.
I've
already
mentioned
this
to
you
number
four
written
opinion
of
a
health
care
provider
that
the
required
immunization
would
be
injurious
to
the
employee's.
Health
shall
be
the
only
documentation
required
for
an
employee's,
claimed
health
exemption,
and
for
the
purposes
of
this
subsection,
a
health
care
provider
includes
everything
from
a
podiatrist
to
a
chiropractor
to
a
pharmacist.
C
Now
these
are
health
care
providers
that
this
decision
is
completely
outside
of
their
purview.
I
mean
a
pharmacist
has
no
way
to
determine
whether
a
vaccine
is
going
to
be
injurious
to
to
somebody
it's
completely
outside
of
their
medical
purview.
So
is
it
outside
of
the
purview
of
a
podiatrist?
It
is
outside
the
purview
of
an
optometrist.
C
These
decisions
do
not
fall
under
I
mean
these
are
not
the
type
of
healthcare
practitioners
that
that
are
that
have
the
background
and
the
experience
to
make
this
decision,
and
my
concern
is
you're,
basically
setting
up
a
market
where
people
are
going
to
be
willing
and
able
and
readily
and
we've
seen
this
happen
all
over
the
country
already
to
hand
somebody
a
hundred
dollars
and
that
pharmacist
is
willing
to
put
his
license
on
the
line,
because
there's
no
there's
nothing
here.
That
gets
the
pharmacist
in
trouble
for
making
up
a
document.
C
That's
not
medically
true,
okay,
so
there's
no
recourse
on
the
back
side.
For
somebody
to
say,
come
on
in
hand
me,
a
hundred
dollars
probably
wants
to
be
cash
and
and
I'll
write
you
this
this
letter.
So
I
would
very
much
appreciate
if
we
would
limit
this
list
to
those
people
who
actually
have
the
medical
knowledge
to
make
this
decision
and
have
a
ramification
on
the
back
side
for
being
willing
to
take
money
for
a
decision
that
they
know
is
not
medically
sound.
E
Yes,
can
I
respond
the
we
and
we
spoke
before
the
meeting-
I'm
definitely
open
to
changes
in
this
section,
but
I'm
going
to
respectfully
push
back
just
a
little
bit
through
the
coveted
pandemic.
Normally
I
would
agree
with
you,
but
through
the
coveted
pandemic,
we've
opened
this
thing
way
up
to
who
has
the
right
to
dispense,
vaccines
and
offer
medical
advice
as
it
pertains
to
vaccines
so
to
say
that
they
don't
have
the
expertise
to
give
advice
on
the
immunization
for
a
pharmacist.
They
are
giving.
E
E
C
E
And
absolutely
in
in
the
this
day
and
time,
this
isn't
like
the
smallpox
vaccine
or
a
vaccine.
That's
been
out
there
for
25
years,
we're
in
new
territory
here
right,
so
we're
dealing
with
a
vaccine,
that's
available
through
emergency
use,
authorization,
yeah
and
so
in
three
to
three
years,
we'll
find
out
what
the
effect
of
the
vaccine
is
after
five
years,
and
so
this
is
just
we're
trying
to
balance
interests
and
give
people
the
opportunity
to,
but.
C
E
C
We
we
also
do
not
allow
podiatrists
in
this
state
to
to
weigh
in
on
whether
or
not
a
child
should
or
should
not
be
vaccinated.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
do
limit
this
to
the
health
care
people
who
actually
would
have
the
knowledge
to
be
able
to
make
this
decision
fair
enough.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
F
F
F
Some
kentucky
employers
have
made
the
process
to
obtain
a
religious
or
medical
exemption
extremely
difficult,
if
not
impossible.
We've
received
countless
examples
of
the
owners.
Stipulations
placed
upon
many
kentucky
workers
here
are
just
a
few
examples.
Letters
from
pastors
are
being
required,
contrary
to
eeoc
guidance
on
this
issue.
F
Even
well-cited
religious
exemptions
are
being
denied
by
companies
as
being
inadequate,
with
no
mention
of
an
appeals
process
also
set
forth
in
eeoc
guidance
and
with
no
information
as
to
how
exactly
their
sincere
religious
belief
was
considered.
Not
sincere
enough
hr
departments
have
become
the
arbiters
of
whether
or
not
a
medical
exemption
is
good
enough,
or
only
accepting
exemptions
for
a
significantly
limited
set
of
conditions.
F
Even
in
the
face
of
thoroughly
documented
medical
exemptions
submitted
by
health
care
providers,
employees
have
had
to
speak
in
front
of
a
review
committee
to
discuss
their
exemption
request
in
very
high
pressure
situations,
no
advance
notice
and
then
are
treated
in
a
very
adversarial
manner.
That's
just
a
sampling
of
the
communications
we've
received.
Ada
and
eeoc
rights
are
being
violated
right
and
left,
and
the
process
to
file
a
claim
with
these
federal
agencies
can
be
lengthy,
especially
when
the
employee
is
facing
termination
or
has
already
been
fired
for
many
workplaces.
F
This
is
the
first
time
that
they've
had
a
vaccine
requirement,
so
many
employers
are
not
familiar
with
existing
federal
laws
that
relate
to
these
issues.
This
bill
helps
employers
by
clearly
outlining
their
obligations
on
behalf
of
the
many
kentuckians
already
affected
by
these
issues.
Kentucky
medical
freedom
coalition
strongly
urges
passage
of
sb
93..
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair
senator
west.
I
was
just
gonna
echo,
some
of
the
comments
from
senator
berg
based
on
my
feedback
talking
to
a
doctor,
they're
concerned
too,
that
we
just
tighten
that
up.
I
do
appreciate,
though
your
answer
hadn't
considered
that,
but
that
that
was
some
of
the
feedback
that
I
got
as
well.
So
just
she's,
not
the
only
one.
I
guess
with
thinking
about
that.
Thank
you.
A
C
I
personally
think
that
an
employer
has
the
right
to
require
an
employee
to
get
vaccinated.
God
did
not
give
you
that
job,
you
earned
that
job
and
you
work
to
keep
it
and
I've
always
been
required.
So
for
me
this
is
like
a
new
world
that
people
think
they
don't
have
to
be
required
because
I've
been
required,
my
entire
life-
and
it
never
dawned
on
me
that
I
shouldn't
be
so,
and
I
believe
that
I
should
be
so,
but
I
also
understand
people
are
scared.
I
understand
people
don't
want
to
be.
B
H
Thank
you
for
bringing
this.
I
hope
both
of
you
are
working
on
this
bill
hard.
I
hope
you
don't
cut
this
back
so
that
if
it
becomes
physicians
only
and
they're
charging
300
when
some
of
these
other
facilities,
I
mean
these
others.
People
that's
got
doctorate
degrees.
Can
then
also
do
that.
The
conscience
objector
was
a
common
word
in
the
army
that
that
was
a
person
who
had
a
religious
belief
not
to
carry
a
gun.
So
that's
where
that
comes
from.
I
I
appreciate
this.
H
The
sad
thing
is
my
secretary:
had
all
three
of
the
shots
and
she's
out
of
work
for
having
coveted
her
mother
had
all
three
of
the
shots
and
she's
out
for
half
cop
now
those
statistics
will
probably
never
get
in
these
statistics.
We
have.
She
didn't
want
to
do
it,
but
she
did
it
because
of
trying
to
keep
clients
that
come
in
and
saw
us
from
having
it,
because
their
mother
really
had
a
conscious
objective,
but
they
went
the
extra
step.
H
So
this
thing's
not
infallible
and
I
respect
what
you
all
are
doing
to
give
the
people
have
this
religious
or
other
belief
not
to
have
to
get
it
and
make
the
employers
do
that.
I
understand
they
have
to
notify
other
employees
that
you
don't,
but
that's
the
real
where
I
live
in.
Thank
you
on
our
vote
again.