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A
B
Good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
senate
standing
committee
on
education,
our
ninth
meeting
of
this
session.
I
do
call
this
meeting
to
order
any
members
that
are
in
the
audience,
as
well
as
those
members
on
the
committee.
If
you
have
a
cell
phone,
we
please
just
kindly
ask
that
you
turn
that
to
silence,
or
also
to
vibrate
audience
members
who
wish
to
speak
on
a
bill
need
to
sign
in
on
the
sign
in
sheet.
B
B
B
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
have
in
the
back
of
the
room,
james
newman
where'd.
You
go
james
there.
He
is
james.
I
served
with
him
on
the
kentucky
grocer's
board
of
directors,
and
I
was
in
the
grocery
business
for
years
and
james
is
still
in
the
grocery
business
he
and
his
family
own.
The
value
markets
in
louisville.
So
welcome
to
the
frankfurt
james
and
glad
to
have
you
here.
E
B
F
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
I
am
honored
today
to
be
joined
by
a
special
person.
Natalie
dodie
would
you
stand
up
natalie's
paging
for
me
today,
she's
a
rock
star,
seventh
grader
at
simpson
county
and
I'm
thrilled
and
honored
that
she
brought
her
mom
and
dad
along
to
to
assist
as
she's
paging.
For
me
today,
please,
if
we
can
make
her
welcome.
G
B
Star-Studded
day
here,
any
other
members
any
guest
scene,
none,
I'm
gonna,
get
right
to
today's
orders.
I'm
gonna
skip
around
and
go
a
little
bit
out
of
of
turn
with
the
bills,
but
I'm
gonna
first
give
the
first
bill
to
the
madam
chair
of
the
house,
education
committee
and
we're
going
to
go
first
with
house
bill,
121
an
act
relating
to
local
school
board
meetings.
B
H
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
house
bill
121
with
you
today.
This
bill
beca
came
about
with
the
conversation
between
my
policy
analyst
and
myself
and
some
of
the
correspondents
we
were
receiving
from
parents,
and
this
is
no
way
relevant
to
our
largest
school
district.
It
turns
out
that
there
was
a
lot
of
parents
and
it
wasn't
a
rural
urban
divide.
It
was
just
a
consensus.
H
This
was
a
problem
with
parents
not
being
able
to
have
a
voice
within
school
board
meetings
and
I'll
share.
Just
briefly,
once
one
little
story
for
you
that
really
she
called
about
regarding
the
mask
mandate,
but
the
I
think
that
her
story
lends
itself
to
the
reason
we
need
this
meeting.
I
was
very
impressed
with
this
young
lady.
She
was
very
diplomatic
in
her
search
to
find
answers
and
her
opportunity
to
speak
to
her
board.
H
She
first
went
through
the
chain
of
command.
She
asked
her
teachers
if
they
had
heard
anything
regarding
the
mask
mandate
or
anything
about
the
release
of
that
and
she,
the
teacher
shared,
know
that
she
had
not
heard
anything,
but
if
she
could
stop
at
the
principal's
office-
and
maybe
he
might
have
some
information
for
her,
so
she
did
so
and
she
said
the
principal
was
understanding
and
said.
H
You
know
that
he
he
thought
that
you
know
it
was
time
as
well,
but
she
would
have
to
speak
to
the
superintendent,
because
that
was
a
call
from
the
central
office.
So
she
made
an
appointment.
She
and
her
husband
both
took
off
work.
They
were
so
passionate
about
this
issue
and
they
went
to
visit
with
with
the
superintendent
and
he
told
them
that
this
was
a
board
issue
and
that
you
know
the
board
would
make
those
decisions,
and
she
said-
and
this
was
his
exact
quote
to
me-
she
said
she
said
well.
H
H
H
She
ensured
that
they
were
all
from
adult
individuals
and
she
went
to
the
next
board
meeting
and
asked
if
she
could
share
these
signatures
with
the
board
members
and
if
they
would
be
able
to.
You
know,
just
address
this
issue
and
she
said
the
young
lady
was
very
nice
that
I
took
her
signature
sheet
and
she
came
back
and
she
said
the
superintendent
says
that
you
can't
address
them,
but
that
he
will
share
the
signatures
with
the
board
and
get
back
to
you.
H
H
So
she
gathered
some
of
her
friends
and
parents
with
like
that,
were
like-minded
with
her
and
tried
to
figure
out
what
they
could
do
next
to
ensure
that
their
children
were
released
from
wearing
those
masks.
So
she
a
teacher,
came
that
happened
to
teach
in
their
district
and
she
just
said
I'm
just
you
know.
H
I
don't
want
to
be
causing
a
problem,
but
I'm
just
telling
you
that
until
the
governor
makes
the
decision,
then
we
will
we
will
be
wearing
masks
or
if,
if
the
legislature
changes
the
the
law
and
decides
to
remove
mandates
from
ask,
so
she
that's
when
she
reached
out-
and
she
just
said
you
know-
I
we
don't
know
what
else
to
do.
But
she
said
I
just
want
the
opportunity
to
stand
before
the
board
and
she
said
just
ask
the
question:
give
me
justification.
H
Why
that
that
another
district
in
our
area
are
going
to
school
mask
list,
and
she
said
I'm
not.
You
know
she
said,
I'm
not
a
someone
that
wants
attention.
She
said,
but
my
daughter
is
suffering.
She
said
she
has
mask
acne
and
she
said
she's
always
been
so
bubbly
and
she
said
it's
really
really
having
an
adverse
effect
on
her
whole
entire
life,
her
social
and
emotional
well-being.
H
So
I'm
and-
and
I
want
to
preface
this
by
saying
that
some
boards
do
an
extremely
exceptional
job
with
this-
they
stream
their
board
me
their
board
meetings,
and
you
know
they
ask
for
public
input
so
to
go
further
with
the
issue.
I
just
randomly
selected
five
board
members
from
across
this
geographically
from
across
the
state,
and
just
I
messaged
them
on
my
messages.
H
Ask
if
they
would
talk
candidly
to
me
for
a
moment,
and
I
was
really
surprised
how
how
open
they
were
to
this
concept,
and
I
didn't
ask
if
they
had
open,
had
the
opportunity
for
the
public
to
speak.
I
just
said
I
want
to
know
your.
I
your
thoughts
on
this
matter
and
one
lady.
She
said
you
know
she
said,
I'm
glad
you
called
me.
She
said
I
would
much
rather
address
someone
collectively
as
a
board
than
when
someone
stops
me
at
the
local
walmart.
She
said
because
I
get
really
defensive,
I'm
nervous.
H
I'm
afraid
they're
recording
me.
She
said
I'm
afraid
that
I'm
not
going
to
be
proactive
in
the
board
stands
on
things,
and
she
said
you
know
it's
concerning
so,
and
there
was
three
three
different
ones.
That
said,
you
know
they
would
rather
address
the
public
collectively.
So
I
don't
think
you
know
these
are
these
are
public
school
boards
and
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
give
the
public
the
opportunity
to
have
some
input
and
it's
a
one
line.
B
B
I
I
Hi,
my
name
is
rob
matthew
and
I
am
a
former
jcps
parent
and
current
member
of
the
jcbs
policy
committee,
but
today,
I'm
here
speaking
on
my
own
behalf
as
a
parent,
I'm
asking
that
you
reject
senate
bill
121
in
its
current
format
and
make
changes
before
sending
it
forward.
I
100
public
comment
and
transparency
and
feel
no
legislative
body
is
lesser
for
it.
I
As
a
jcps
parent,
I
made
myself
an
annoyance
three
minutes
at
a
time
at
numerous
board
meetings
from
the
first
one
I
attended
in
2010
to
the
last
one
in
2020
the
year.
My
daughter
graduated
is
one
of
the
few
places
where
a
person
can
easily
participate
in
the
democratic
process
get
heard
by
a
body
of
people
who
do
in
spite
of
what
some
of
you
may
think
usually
have.
The
best
interest
of
our
kids
at
heart.
I
Jcps
has
always
had
an
inclusive
policy
for
commenting
and
been
far
more
welcoming
to
public
comment
interaction
than
many
in
this
body.
On
numerous
occasions,
meetings
went
three
to
four
hours
because
of
their
generous
allowance
of
public
feedback
on
topics
in
10
years
of
attending
jcps
board
meetings.
I
can
only
think
of
one
or
two
minor
disruptions
that
required
intervention
both
were
handled
civilly
and
the
meeting
continued
without
interruption
once
it
was
dealt
with.
I
Sadly,
that
all
changed
when
people
like
the
local
head
of
the
american
family,
association
and
others
started
stirring
up
irrational
and
factually
challenged
anger
on
topics
like
crt
masks
and
vaccine
mandates.
I
myself
was
almost
shouted
down
at
a
meeting
last
summer
in
oldham
county,
where
I
grew
up
and
graduated
in
jefferson
county.
We
had
a
gentleman
arrested
for
allegedly
threatening
our
superintendent
with
a
gun
and
since
everything's
awful
that
guy
is
now
running
for
school
board.
I
Well,
I
firmly
believe
school
boards
should
have
generous
comment
policies
and
support
those
I
can't
get
over.
The
very
real
feels
fears
that
my
local
scoreboard
members
have
expressed
during
our
policy
meetings
that
one
day
an
angry
member,
the
public
is
going
to
resort
to
violence
instead
of
angry
words.
I
Additionally,
while
I
support
mandatory
comment
periods,
I
think
the
general
assembly
shouldn't
pass
one
without
creating
one
for
itself
and
other
bodies
as
well.
It
seems
hypocritical
to
require
school
boards
to
face
public
comment
during
their
meetings,
but
not
expect
the
same
of
other
legislative
bodies.
Just
yesterday.
The
sponsor
of
this
bill
refused
to
allow
comment
on
an
education
bill
because
it
had
been
spoken
about
at
previous
meetings.
That's
something
I've
never
experienced
in
10
years
at
jcps
meetings.
Everyone
got
to
speak.
I
If
you
can't
handle
the
heat
in
the
most
important
legislative
body
in
the
state.
Why
are
you
mandating
what
legislative
body
led?
Is
those
legislative
bodies
below
you
do?
Even
if
you
don't
extend
these
rules
to
yourself
and
elsewhere
for
the
interest
of
public
safety?
This
bill
must
have
provisions
that
allow
the
board
to
set
up
rules
for
orderly
comment
periods.
Allow
sign
up
requirements
like
the
one
here
and
add
provisions
to
allow
the
chair
to
call
an
end
to
public
comment
if
they
fear
public
safety
is
at
risk.
I
B
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
I
don't
see,
I've
witnessed
a
number
of
board
meetings
and
I'm
not
used
to
a
board
meeting
where
a
board
doesn't
allow
comment.
So
I
don't
I'm
not
familiar
that
there
are
boards
that
don't
allow
that
that's
different
for
me.
So
I'm
assuming
that
this
is
consistent
with
what
I've
experienced
generally.
J
There
was
adequate
time
and
additional
time
given
in
many
situations,
but
sometimes
somebody
comes
in
there
and
they
are
not
a
credit
to
a
role
model
for
their
children
and
they
just
go
off
and
go
crazy
and
do
not
follow
the
quorum
by
the
directions
of
the
chair
and
so
forth.
I
find
that
unacceptable.
This
doesn't
trump
that
does
it.
H
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
think
that
what
you
said
prior
to
all
the
divisive
issues
that
have
gone
on
in
education,
there
was
more
of
an
open
decor,
but
I
also
think
that
what
I've
found
in
discussing
this
issue
with
superintendents-
and
I
always
do
do
you
know-
reach
out
to
those
that
this
affects.
I
think
the
superintendents
you
know
feel
like
they
are
to
protect
their
board
from
from
you
know,
being
harassed
on
the
decisions
that
they
make.
So
they
they
try.
H
They
have
tried
to
set
up
parameters
and
I
think
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
to
just
deter
from
setting
up.
I
I
think
that
most
boards
and
I've
talked
to
a
lot
that
have
their
resource
officers.
School
resource
officers
attend
their
board
meetings
and
there
they
have
a
built-in
security,
no
one's,
expecting
a
board
to
sit
and
listen
to
someone
that
has,
you
know,
been
berating
or
rude
or
crude
or
threatening.
H
But
I
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
our
public
school
system
has
public
input
and
I
don't
think
15
minutes
and
it's
too
much
to
ask
and
also
you
know
some
boards
that
are
already
doing
this
have
said
you
know
we
allow
for
when
someone
signs
up,
we
allow
for
this
amount
of
time,
and
if
someone
else
is
there,
we
we
explain.
You
know
that
you'll
be
first
next
board
meeting
and
no
one
has
had
any
problems.
J
Right,
mr
chairman,
please
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
I'm
sure
it's
my
deficiency,
I'm
still
unclear
on
this.
Anyone
who
comes
in
is
to
speak
is
expected
to
comply
with
the
board's
decorum
this.
Otherwise
they
take
the
necessary
steps
or
the
reasonable
steps
to
deal
with
that
you're
in
agreement
with
that.
H
H
Absolutely
well
aware,
and
if
I
could
speak
to
the
gentleman's
issue
yesterday,
we
had
had
two
meetings.
We
had
the
same
people
signed
up
to
speak
yesterday
that
had
spoken
to
our
house,
education
committee
and
our
senate
education
committee,
and
I
also
limited
the
and
requested
the
members
to
speak
only
to
the
directive
that
we
had
been
given
yesterday.
Nothing
before,
and
so
you
know
I
was
consistent
with.
There
was
we'd
already
discussed
this
two
separate
times
in
in
detail.
I
did
not
hold
back
anyone
from
speaking.
H
Everyone
was
given
the
opportunity
at
length
and
at
their
length
so
as
members
were
suggested
that
they
stay
stick
with
the
the
topic
that
we
and
what
the
parameters
were
for
yesterday's
vote.
I
asked
that
the
those
that
were
signed
up
to
speak
that
had
already
had
two
opportunities
that
in
order
for
time,
constraints
and
other
meetings
that
were
going
on,
that
was
the
purpose
in
in
yesterday's
decision.
So
you're.
H
J
E
Actually,
representative
huffman
good
to
see
you
again
address
my
question,
because
it
was
unusual
that
I
received
two
I
was.
I
was
approached
by
two
different
louisville
representatives,
colleagues,
colleagues
of
yours
in
the
house
and
and
my
tooth
about
that
very
issue.
The
gentleman
raised
about
about
cutting
off
debate
in
house
education
hearings,
but
you've
addressed
that
already.
So
there's
no
need
for
me
to
plow
that
ground
again.
H
Yes-
and
I
made
sure
that
I
was
consistent
in
my
and
objective
to
according
to
the
time
constraints
and-
and
we
had
already
and
respectfully
listened-
and
I
appreciate
those
that
that
did
come
and
share
and
and
quite
frankly,
those
that
I
spoke
to
yesterday-
that
were
a
part
of
that
activity
yesterday
and
that
were
here
to
speak.
They
they
said,
I
you
know,
I
truly
understand.
We've
had
this
opportunity
to
take
different
times,
so
I
was
appreciative
of
their
respect
and
I
respected
them
being
here
and
always
respect
input.
A
A
I'd
like
to
point
out,
I
think
the
reason
you're
here
with
this
bill
is
we've
had
a
diversion
from
the
way
things
have
always
been
handled
in
the
past
in
kentucky,
I
don't
know
of
any
school
board
ever
that
restricted
public
comment
or
allowed
for
no
public
comment
and
so
you're
just
reacting
to
what's
gone
on
out
there.
Like
say
this
is
not
a
difficult
thing
this
this
to
me.
This
is
just
a
basic
floor.
A
You
know
15
minute,
that's
not
a
huge
mandate
on
on
districts
to
do
that
and
it's
just
a
floor,
and
you
can
go
above
that
allow
for
an
hour
of
public
comment
depending
on
the
meeting
you
know,
depending
on
the
subject
matter
of
the
meeting,
and
we
talk
about
mass
mandates.
This
isn't
just
for
mass
mandates,
there's
a
plethora
of
issues
that
come
before
the
boards,
and
this
is
good
public
policy.
You.
A
Comment,
transparency
and-
and
I
think
it's
rich-
that
we've
been
accused
of
a
person
is
through
public
comment,
accused
us
of
not
allowing
public
comment.
Every
committee
I'm
on
up
here
allows
ample
opportunity
for
public
comment,
especially
this
this
committee.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill
and
I'll
gladly
vote.
Yes,.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you
senator
and,
to
your
point,
I
had
another
gentleman
when
I
filed
the
bill,
wrote
me
he
had
moved
here
and
had
a
refrigerant
company,
and
so
he
had
wanted
to
present
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
grow
your
own.
He
couldn't
find
workers
to
work
in
his
company
and
wanted
to
present
to
a
school
board
to
maybe
do
a
co-op
and
apprenticeship
and
he
wasn't
allowed
that
opportunity.
So
he
shared
that
with
me
as
well.
So
that
was
something
that
was
positive.
H
You
know,
I
don't
understand
the
purpose,
but
it's
just.
I
just
think
it's
just
good
public
policy,
as
you
said
that
we
allow
the
public
input
and
I'm
you
know,
I'm
always
welcome
and
anyone's
always
welcome
to
speak
in
my
committee.
I
do
not
shut
down
anyone,
but
they
had
had
two
different
opportunities
and
we
were
trying
to
move
on.
K
K
It
was
a
newspaper
almost
weekly
about
the
fact
they
didn't
have
their
meetings,
but
I
really
am
looking
at
the
wording
here
and
I
probably
need
to
talk
to
the
staff,
but
I
want
to
get
your
intent
here.
So
I
know
because
I
think
we
have
a
drafting
error
on
one
item
and
the
other
item.
I
have
a
question:
are
you
trying
to
set
a
floor
or
a
ceiling
of
15
minutes.
H
No,
it
it's
simply
a
floor
that
you
know
they
can
go
on,
they
can,
but
they
have
to
have
15
minutes,
and
I
also
want
to
address
the
fact
that
we
also
made
sure
that
should
no
one
be
signed
up
to
speak,
that
they
can
go
ahead
and
adjourn.
Some
had
concerns
that
they
would
have
to
await
15-minute
arrival
of
someone.
So
we
address
that
issue
as
well.
Okay,.
K
So
the
other
question
I
have
is
each
regular
meeting.
It
says
so:
are
you
not
normally
having
special
called
meetings
that
need
public
comment
periods,
or
are
we
intentionally
trying
to
not
have
them
cover
special
meetings,
because
sometimes
there's
a
lot
of
special
meetings,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
if
there's
a
intent
behind
that.
H
No,
we
did
regular
meetings
because
sometimes
the
special
meeting
can
be
called
you
know,
and-
and
we
didn't
want
to
to
make
it
look
like
that
they
were
going-
that
the
school
boards
were
intentional
in
their
special
meetings
and
have
them.
You
know,
hold
off
addressing
an
issue
that
they
needed
to
address
quickly
without
having
like
something
in
the
newspaper
or
something
on
social
media.
To
address
that
they
were
meeting.
We
didn't
want
to
to
control
that
aspect
of
their
their
meeting.
H
L
Mr
chairman
and
chairwoman
huff
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill.
Yesterday,
the
senate
passed
senate
concurrent
resolution
73
on
behalf
of
the
school
administrators
association,
calling
for
a
return
to
civility
in
the
education
arena,
and
I
think
this
bill
is
another
effort
to
to
restore
that
within
education
and
and
folks
as
a
commonwealth.
L
It's
time
we
take
a
look
at
ourselves
and
where
we're
headed
and
it
it's
time
to
be
heard
again
and,
as
I
stated
on
the
four
yesterday
to
be
heard,
you
first
have
to
be
heard
and
without
civility
within
that
arena,
especially
when
our
kids
are
watching
of
all
arenas
that
we
are
concerned
about
education,
for
this
issue
has
to
take
the
priority
and
we
have
to
be
respectful
in
that.
When
we
are
dealing
with
a
policy
regarding
our
children,
we
have
to
work
together.
We
have
to
be
heard
screaming.
L
Yelling
fighting
is
not
going
to
accomplish
that.
We
must
return
to
civility,
and
chairwoman
huff
is
my
hope
that
you
will
pick
up.
That
resolution
is
a
concurrent
resolution
in
the
house,
so
we
may
get
that
pass
and
stand
together
as
a
legislative
body
in
supporting
the
return
to
civility
within
the
education
arena.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
B
L
B
G
B
J
J
K
My
concern
is
when
it
says
here
a
public
comment
period
of
at
least
15
minutes
or
until
common
send,
whichever
occurs
first,
which
means
the
definition
of
at
least
confuses
with
whichever
occurs
first,
and
it
could
turn
into
a
ceiling
of
15
minutes,
and
I
don't
want
that,
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
the
intent
and
therefore
I
think
we
get
this
cleaned
up
and
it'll
be
it'll,
be
good.
Thank
you.
E
Like
to
explain
my
eye
vote,
please
say
mr
chair:
in
some
ways
this
is
a
very
easy
vote.
I
believe
that
everybody
should
have
their
voice
heard
as
this
body.
Well
knows,
you
know,
I've
been
a
strong
advocate,
even
even
allowing
young
people's
voice
to
be
heard.
I
think
we
should
have
have
young
people
on
school
boards
and
and
have
them
play
a
role
in
decision
making
in
decisions
that
affect
themselves,
so
I'm
I'm
all
for
having
people's
voice
voices
heard.
E
I
I
have
to
say
I
didn't
say
this
yesterday,
but
I
have
to
say
that
I
strongly
concur
in
what
the
center
for
marshall
is
doing.
You
know
what
we've
seen
across
this
country
in
this
landscape
this
year
or
and
last
year
with
the
angriness
the
violence,
the
hostility
that
people
displayed
at
these
board
meetings.
It's
just
gotten
out
of
control
and
yes,
people
should
have
their
voice
heard,
but
they
should
do
it
in
civil
tone.
E
Senator
marshall
is
absolutely
right,
so
I
support
your
effort
representative,
but
but
I
again
I
would,
I
would
say
that
you
know
that
should
apply
even
when
people
say
things
that
we
don't
agree
with,
that
we
should.
We
should
tolerate
disagreement
because
that's
healthy
for
america,
that's
what
freedom
is
all
about,
have
having
disparate
and
descending
viewpoints
on
all
sides.
B
B
You
I
do
want
to
say,
I
don't
know
any
other
bills,
and
you
may
have
those
coming
my
way,
but
this
is
your
last
session
and
your
role
and
your
leadership
with
house
education.
I
just
want
to
publicly
commend
you.
Thank
you
for
your
public
service
in
working
with
you
and
all
the
time
we've
been
together.
Thank
you.
Ma'am
thank.
B
B
D
B
D
Thank
you
very
briefly.
This
senate
bill
163
is
an
act
relating
to
student
financial
aid
and
it
will
amend
krs
164.740
to
delete
the
definition
of
penal
institutions.
It'll
also
amend
krs
164.7874
to
delete
the
requirement
of
an
eligible
high
school
student
and
eligible
postsecondary
student,
not
being
a
convicted
felon
for
keys
eligibility
purposes
and
I'll.
Let
my
colleagues
explain
the
the
necessity
of
this
bill.
M
Thank
you,
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
to
speak
in
support
of
this
legislation.
Not
surprisingly,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
workforce,
workforce
challenges,
and
this
is
the
one
issue
as
we
travel
the
state
and
we
talk
to
business
leaders
that
we
consistently
hear
about
from
different
businesses,
different
sectors
of
the
of
the
economy
as
well
as
as
corners
of
kentucky.
It
is
a
big
issue
and
a
big
challenge
for
us.
We
published
a
report
last
year
that
we
have
shared.
You
know
you
all
have
seen
it.
M
M
M
M
We
have
many
employers
that
will
hire
people
who
are
formally
incarcerated,
as
well
as
people
who
struggle
with
substance
use
disorders,
and
we
have
worked
in
the
space
for
several
years
now,
specifically
on
the
policy
side
and
bringing
legislation
and
discussion
discussing
legislation,
as
well
as
on
the
programmatic
side,
through
our
kentucky
chamber
foundation
and
providing
programs
through
employers
to
help
connect,
people
who
are
formally
incarcerated
with
it,
with
employers
and
with
jobs.
And
so
our
interest
in
this
is,
of
course,
about
workforce
and
getting
people
back
to
work.
M
Dealing
with
our
workforce
challenges
as
well
as
dealing
with
recidivism
rates
and
how
having
a
job
can
have
an
impact
on
that.
And
then
the
bill
also
allows
for
funds
to
be
used
at
proprietary
schools
for
programs
that
fall
within
one
of
kentucky's
top
five
high
demand
sectors.
When
you
think
about
kentucky's
economy,
you
think
about
manufacturing.
You
think
about
agriculture.
You
think
about
the
fact
that
we
are
a
logistics
hub
for
the
nation
and
really
the
world,
and
you
can
imagine
the
jobs
that
those
industries
and
those
sectors
require.
M
You
can
think
about
trucking
and
welding.
Of
course,
our
healthcare
sector
and
how
we
need
so
many
different
people
working
in
that
field,
and
so
I
think,
expanding
the
eligibility
into
these
proprietary
schools
for
these
top
five
high
demand
sectors
is
important
in
in
providing
the
workforce
for
the
economy
that
we
have.
M
So
essentially
we
see
this
as
a
as
a
benefit
to
to
tackling
our
workforce
challenges.
We
have
been
talking
about
the
fact
that
we
need
a
multi-faceted
approach
to
our
workforce
challenges,
and
this
is
one
of
the
many
bills
that
we're
working
on
this
session
related
to
that,
and
so
we
respectfully
request
your
support
of
this
legislation.
Thank
you.
N
N
So
if
you
are
not
familiar
with
kia,
we
were
created
by
the
general
assembly
in
1966
following
the
creation
or
the
passage
of
the
federal
higher
education
act.
Our
mission
is
to
remove
barriers
to
post-secondary
education
period.
The
most
significant
of
those
are
financial,
the
mo
the
second
most
significant
of
that
is
informational.
N
We
do
that
by
administering
the
state
student
financial
aid
programs,
as
well
as
offering
low-cost
student
loans
and
managing
the
state
529
educational
savings
plan,
trust
the
most
important
scholarship
we
have,
though,
is
the
college
access
program
or
cap,
which
is
the
federal
pell
grant
match,
based
on
financial
need,
as
determined
by
the
free
application
for
federal
student
aid
or
the
fafsa
kia
is
the
repository
for
all
kentucky
fafsas.
We
also
administer
the
kentucky
tuition
grant
or
ktg.
N
We
also
administer
the
kit
the
work
ready,
the
work
ready,
kentucky
scholarship.
We
also
administered
the
dual
credit
scholarship,
so
it
used
to
be
that
we
had
the
big
three
keys
cap
ktg.
Now
I
would
say
we
have
the
big
five.
So
the
broader
statute
that
is
repealed
in
this
legislation
would
allow
us
to
administer
aid.
Student
financial
aid
to
those
that
are
incarcerated.
N
Honestly
keys
may
not
be
the
biggest
impact,
it's
probably
more
cap
and
the
work
ready
scholarship.
So
I'm
happy
to
talk
through
any
of
the
technical
questions
we
can
go
section
by
section
or
you
can
give
me
some
pop
trivia.
I'm
always
happy
to
answer
the
questions
and
if
I
I
don't
know,
I
will
find
out
the
answer.
B
L
A
N
There's
three
different
sections
to
the
committee
substitute:
the
first
has
to
do
with
the
incarcerated
population.
The
second
has
to
do
with
the
proprietary
schools
in
the
top
five
workforce
needed
areas,
and
the
third
has
to
do
with
some
military
issues,
so
the
military
portion
of
the
bill
we
have
situations
where,
for
example,
somebody
may
be
stationed
at
fort
knox
for
freshman
sophomore
year
have
attended
a
kentucky
high
school,
but
then
their
parents
have
been
transferred
elsewhere.
A
N
The
proprietary
section
we
are
modeling
off
of
legislation
that
we
passed
prior
to
the
pandemic,
so
I
know
a
lot
of
people
may
not
remember
it,
but
it
was
geared
toward
registered
apprenticeships
and
the
proprietary
schools
that
already
had
articulated
credit
agreements
with
keys
participating
institutions.
So
it
is
a
reimbursement
basis.
Basically
so
the
proprietary
school,
the
student
will
have
to
attend
and
submit
receipts
to
us,
and
then
we
will
reimburse
them
a
check
up
to
their
earned
keys
amount.
J
L
L
N
I
will
say
two
things:
part
of
this
is
very
old
thought
and
it
actually
dates
back
to
the
1994
crime
bill
that
passed
at
the
federal
level,
so
the
pell
grant
used
to
be
available
for
incarcerated
individuals,
and
that
was
removed.
Studies
have
been
done
that
the
people
that
probably
would
have
benefited
the
most
from
educational
opportunities
were
low-income
minorities,
male
with
low-level
felony
drug
convictions
at
the
time
late,
90s
early
2000s,
it
would
be
marijuana,
I
would
say,
probably
these
days.
N
A
lot
of
the
people
that
would
benefit-
and
we
would
want
to
target-
would
be
folks
that
have
been
affected
by
the
opioid
epidemic
as
well.
Now
the
violent
offenders
I
mean
they
are
still
going
to
have
to
be
admitted
to
a
post-secondary
education
program.
So,
whatever
criteria
that
those
degree
programs
have
sometimes
depending
on
you
know
what
it
is,
it
would
be
a
criminal
background
check
credit
check.
N
You
know
whatever
the
the
background
is
as
well
as
the
u.s
department
of
education
has
recently
completed,
negotiated
rulemaking
to
expand
something
called
the
second
chance
pell
project.
They
just
completed
that
in
december.
They
are
supposed
to
publish
a
rule
in
the
federal
register
like
any
day
now,
and
then
the
public
can
comment
on
their
proposed
rules
and
what
they
are
trying
to
put
the
guard
rails
on
is
what
types
of
institutions
will
be
allowed
to
offer
instruction
inside
the
correctional
facilities
as
well.
N
L
F
Mr
a
quick
comment:
thank
you
for
the
legislation
senator
storm.
I
appreciate
your
work
on
this.
I
appreciate
the
cabinet-
I'm
sorry,
not
the
cabinet,
but
the
the
chamber,
the
chamber
and
the
workforce
element
of
this
conversation,
but
I
specifically
want
to
address
something,
ms
claire,
that
you've
said
because
I
think
you
said
it
very
very
delicately
very
appropriately,
but
I
think
we
need
to
echo
it
to
all
members.
In
my
opinion,
and
that
is
the
targeted,
affordable
expansion
of
this
endeavor.
F
We
have
lots
and
lots
of
keys
bills
that
move
through
these
chambers
on
a
regular
basis,
and-
and
I
appreciate
you
coming
to
the
table
in
support
of
this
one-
I'm
confident
you
would
support
all
of
them,
given
the
funding
to
be
able
to
afford
them.
As
you
clearly
indicated
you,
you
very
proudly
support
this
one
because
it's
an
affordable
expansion
within
the
scope
of
what
you've
been
provided
financially
by
the
general
assembly.
So
thank
you
for
the
legislation
center
storm.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
publicly
thank
senator
storm
for
bringing
this
legislation,
because
I
was
really
excited
to
see
another
version
of
it
last
year,
because
I
thought
yeah.
Let's
do
this,
but
now
I'm
actually
much
more
excited
about
this
one.
In
two
key
reasons,
one
is
section
five
repeals
a
statute
and
we
don't
get
to
vote
on
that.
Very
often
we
talk
about
it
all
the
time.
We
need
to
get
laws
off
the
books
instead
of
adding
laws
on
the
books.
This
is
one
of
those
rare
gems.
We
get
to
do
that.
K
So
that's
my
first
exciting
part.
My
second
exciting
part
is
just
what
this
really
means.
You
know
we're
looking
at
words
on
a
page,
but
what
this
means
is
that,
if
somebody
has
gone
to
a
juvenile
facility,
for
example,
the
likelihood
of
them
actually
succeeding
in
life
is
getting
to
be
lower
and
lower
when
they
get
that
far
down
the
tracks
and
we're
paying
for
all
of
these
other
services,
but
then
we're
sitting
here
and
and
kind
of
have
a
brick
wall
for
them
to
be
able
to
do
what.
K
I
think
this
committee
usually
believes
is
the
number
one
issue
is
get
yourself
an
education
and
get
out
of
poverty
get
it.
You
know
all
those
type
things,
and
what
this
also
means
for
the
18
year
olds,
who
are
sitting
in
adult
prison
that
have
done
the
same
thing
hung
out
with
bad
friends
and
they
end
up
sitting
there.
Now
what
the
what
happens
is?
Okay,
well
I'll,
give
you
a
good
example
friend
of
mine
when
we
were
19.
K
K
How
is
he
going
to
get
this
job?
How
is
he
going
to
move
into
this
sentences?
Aren't
all
life
sentences,
we
have
to
remember.
Class
d
felonies
are
only
five
years
max
class
c,
ten
years
class
b-20,
you
know,
let's
go
down
the
list,
we
have
to
have
a
plan
for
when
these
people
get
out,
we've
got
work
programs
going
on
in
prison,
and
yet
the
people
that
take
those
work
programs
aren't
eligible
to
work
in
the
jobs
when
they
get
out.
So
this
fills
that
gap
we're
paying
for
them
to
be
in
prison.
K
B
B
L
I
do
appreciate
the
efforts
and
in
most
crimes,
most
offenses.
I
agree
with
you,
100
percent
and
all
all
of
the
the
purpose
of
this
is
valid,
but
I
believe,
there's
just
a
line
on
certain
crimes.
We
just
don't
cross
and
I'll
believe
that
until
the
day
I
die.
Maybe
it's
because
of
my
background
of
having
to
deal
with
some
of
these
folks
and
speaking
with
them
and
and
interview
their
victims
and
the
scars
that
are
that
never
go
away
and
they
have
to
live
with
that
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
L
B
B
B
The
bill
sponsor
is
representative,
dj
johnson
representative
johnson,
welcome
to
the
center
education
committee-
and
I
know
you
do
have
someone
that
is
online.
That
is
with
you
on
zoom,
first
I'll.
Let
you
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
then,
if
your
guests
can
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
O
O
O
If
I
may
briefly
provide
some
background
information,
there
are
approximately
23
000
students
enrolled
in
alternative
programs
in
kentucky
representing
about
3
percent
of
our
student
population
statewide.
The
vast
majority
of
these
students
are
making
suitable
academic
progress
before
that
small
number,
who
or
not
other
options
need
to
be
available
house
bill.
9194
provides
an
additional
opportunity
to
that
limited
pool
of
students
who
may
see
themselves
at
a
dead
end.
O
O
H
O
In
2017,
the
previous
chair
of
the
house
committee
on
education,
the
late
representative,
bam
kearney
wisely
saw
the
value
of
the
ged
as
an
opportunity
for
state
agency
children,
many
of
whom
had
endured,
trauma
poverty
or
abuse.
He
sponsored
a
bill
to
offer
these
students
the
option
of
a
ged
that
bill
was
passed
and
became
krs
158.143.
P
O
This
program
is
tailored
specifically
to
students
who
are
at
least
17
years
old
and
with
no
chance
of
graduating
from
high
school
due
to
a
lack
of
credits,
it
will
allow
them
to
start
the
process
of
obtaining
a
ged
without
waiting
for
them
to
formally
be
out
of
high
school
house.
Bill
184
gives
these
students
hope
for
a
successful
future
where
they
may
have
believed
there
was
none.
J
B
B
B
P
D
Thank
you
representative,
richard
heath
district
2,
which
is
graves
county,
part
of
mccracken
county
and
apologize
for
being
late.
We
were
passing
senate
bills
in
in
the
state
government
committee,
so
I'm
sure
any
of
you
that
that
came
to
western
kentucky.
After
the
tornadoes
passed
through
and
and
volunteered
and
helped-
and
many
of
you
did,
you
would
notice
that
our
school
superintendents,
our
principals
teachers,
students,
were
pitching
in
and
helping
volunteer
and
helping
unload
donations
that
were
being
brought
in
and
helping
disperse
those
donations
to
people
that
needed
them.
D
B
A
B
I've
vote
of
10
ivos,
I
votes
no
nay
votes
bill
pass.
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
both
thank
you
to
your
educators,
their
staff
superintendents
and
everybody
back
in
western
kentucky
that
were
affected
by
this.
Do
we
have
a
motion
for
consent,
so
I'm
moving.
We
do.
We
have
a
motion
from,
I
think
senator
meredith.
I
heard
also
senator
neal
with
the
second
all
those
in
favor
of
placing
house
bill
397
on
consent.
Please
do
it
by
saying
aye
aye
motion
carries
congratulations.