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B
Present:
okay,
we
this
morning
we're
going
to
start
with
hearing
Senate,
Bill
48
and
then
we're
going
to
get
into
a
little
bit
about
the
TANF
block
grant
and
that
will
be
for
educational
purposes
for
this
committee
and
for
those
of
you
are
here
we're
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
during
this
session
on
educating
members
of
this
committee
on
various
topics
that
perhaps
didn't
get
a
lot
of
attention
under
Health
and
Welfare
committee.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
I'm,
Steve,
Meredith,
State
Center
for
the
fifth
district
and
I'm,
also
the
co-chair
of
the
rural
task
force
for
Health
and
Family
Services
that
met
this
summer.
That's
setting
the
Genesis
of
this
legislation
that
you're
going
to
hear
today
and
but
first
let
me
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
this
newly
constituted
family
and
children's
committee
for
an
opportunity
up
here
for
you
to
present
Senate
Bill
48..
C
We
release
this
bill
on
January
5th,
so
that
folks,
who
have
an
opportunity
to
review
it
during
our
recess
period
and
I
heard
from
several
people
several
groups
that
resulted
in
some
recommendations
to
improve
this
bill
heard
from
many
people
that
provided
information
that
wasn't
quite
as
helpful,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
But
to
that
end,
chairman
Carroll
I
do
have
a
committee
sub
that
I
think
committee
members
have
been
privy
to
and
I
would
ask
for
approval.
That's
they
have
a
motion.
B
C
You,
the
genus
of
this
bill,
was
Senate
concurrent
resolution
20
from
the
2022
legislative
session,
which
established
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
organizational
structure
operations,
administrative
task
force
to
study
the
organizational
structure,
operations
and
administration
and
programs
policies
and
procedures
within
the
cabinet
and
if
I
could
miss
chair
before
I
proceed.
I
would
like
to
take
a
brief
moment
to
recognize
the
members
of
our
legislature
who
participated
in
the
task
force:
Senator
Judy,
Rocky,
Adams,
Senator,
Karen,
Berg,
Senator,
Ralph,
Alvarado,
co-chair
representative
David
Mead
and
representatives
Kimberly,
Moser,
Danny,
Bentley
and
Keturah
Herron.
C
All
of
them
did
a
fantastic
job,
but
I
would
certainly
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
also
recognize
the
attendance
participation,
cooperation
of
our
Health
and
Family
Services
cabinet
secretary
Eric
Freelander.
He
was
at
each
and
every
meeting
and
he
made
his
Personnel
available
to
us
and
it
was
an
invaluable
service
of
to
our
Commonwealth
and
we
appreciate
their
assistance.
C
C
Ly
recognized
the
Cabinet
for
Health
Family
Services,
the
largest
cabinet
within
state
government,
with
93
agencies,
thinking
about
that
from
93
agencies,
branches
and
functions,
almost
7
000
employees
and
a
budget.
Approximately
19
billion
dollars
in
our
specific
charts
for
our
task
force
was
examined.
C
This
is
an
enormous
bill
with
189
pages,
but
most
of
pages
deal
with
various
statutes
and
regulations
which
touched
many
many
areas
of
state
government
is
much
to
Mr.
I
would
prefer
to
explain
the
bill
work
from
our
task
force.
Final
report,
which
members
of
the
committee
have
also
received
additionally,
acknowledge
the
exceptional
work
of
our
committee
staffers,
particularly
Samir
Nasir,
who
drafted
this
bill,
and
he
has
done
a
fantastic
job
of
also
providing
a
worksheet
which
costs
references.
C
The
proposed
task
force
recommendations
within
the
sections
within
the
bill,
so
I
hope
that's
been
beneficial
to.
You
certainly
was
to
me
as
a
side
note.
You'll
also
see
the
bill
contains
extended
timelines
for
implementation
of
the
proposed
changes
with
one
particular
not
incurring
until
July
1st
2025..
C
So
if
you
could
Mr
chair,
let
me
work
again
from
the
recommendations
of
our
task
force.
First
again,
the
objectives
recommendation
is
not
to
reduce
the
number
of
Apartments
divisions
or
programs
in
the
cabinets
or
eliminate
invaluable
programs
and
services.
Rather
the
object.
The
object
is
to
streamline
programs,
reduce
bureaucracies,
eliminate
redundancies
to
create
efficiencies
within
the
cabinet
and
state
government
as
a
whole.
Many
people
thought
we
had
a
predetermined
agenda
when
we
went
into
this
for
task
force,
I
sure
we
did
not.
C
We
went
in
with
open
eyes
and
it
was
quite
an
educational
experience
for
each
and
every
one
of
us,
but
the
first
recommendation
that
we
have
is
that
we
should
continue
this
task
force
through
the
interim
of
2023,
because
again
you
heard
the
charges
of
task
force.
Quite
true.
The
only
thing
we
were
able
to
address
during
this
first
task
force
session
was
the
organizational
structure
of
the
cabinet
which
we'll
be
dealing
with
today.
So
under
section
112
of
the
bill,
you'll
find
where
we've
asked
for
continuation
of
this
task
force.
C
C
Again
this
is
probably
the
most
substantial
piece
of
this
bill
is
we've
struggled
with
child
support
payments
for
many
many
years
right
now,
we're
currently
1.4
billion
dollars
in
arrears,
with
our
child
support
payments
in
Kentucky,
and
this
is
not
a
new
Pro
problem,
but
in
fact,
in
2007,
the
Kentucky
County
attorneys
Association
commissioned
to
study
to
look
at
the
situation
and
they
recommended
such
as
we
are
today
to
move
this
function
to
the
Attorney
General's
office,
and
this
is
one
particular
recommendation
that
we've
extended
the
timeline
to
do
that
until
July
1st
of
2025..
C
Also,
we
are
going
to
recommend
that
the
the
disability
determined
services
program
be
moved
to
education,
Workforce
Development,
because
again,
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
is
not
enough.
People
in
the
workforce-
and
this
certainly
matches
responsibilities
and
accountabilities
third
recommendation-
is
the
office
for
children's
special
Health
Care
needs
should
be
moved
to
the
Department
of
Public
Health
by
the
very
nature
of
this
program
in
the
the
services
that
they
offer
in
accordance
statutorily.
C
The
fourth
recommendation
was
that
we
would
move
Family,
Resource
Centers
and
serve
Kentucky
from
the
current
locations
in
there
were
a
couple
different
areas
we
would
look
at
for
the
for
the
Friskies,
but
my
personal
preference
would
be
moved
from
the
Department
of
Education
Workforce
Development,
because
I
think
again
it
allows
responsibilities
and
accountabilities.
All
of
you
know
that
the
Friskies
were
the
result
of
Kara
Kentucky
education,
Reform
Act
30
years
ago.
They've
done
an
exceptional
job
and
the
intent
behind
moving
them
was
not
a
criticism.
Work.
C
They've
done
it's
probably
one
of
the
best
elements
we
have
in
state
government,
but
again
just
to
align
those
accountabilities
and
responsibilities.
It's
not
an
educational
facility,
but
it
certainly
is
an
adjunct
to
education
in
I
think
in
two
terms
of
future
funding
that
we'll
probably
have
to
give
priority
to
education,
Workforce,
Development
and
I
thought
this
is
the
best
place
to
place
them
financially.
C
C
So
specifically,
what
we're
going
to
do
with
those
is
we're
going
to
have
a
newly
formed
off
Commonwealth
office,
which
we
attached
to
the
actor's
office.
We
also
have
a
new
Commonwealth
office
of
Inspector
General
that
will
be
attached
to
the
executive
branch
and
the
Attorney
General's
office
will
be
responsible
for
the
administrative
review
functions.
C
The
sex
recommendation
is
require
the
department
of
Medicaid
services,
department
of
aging,
independent
living
in
the
Department
of
Behavioral
Health
development
and
intellectual
abilities
need
to
work
together
to
eliminate
redundancies
and
barriers
to
Administration
1915
C
waiver
programs,
and
we
had
a
great
deal
discussion
that
possibly
we
need
to
move
this
function
entirely
on
the
Medicaid,
but
I
thought.
Maybe
that
was
a
little
bit
premature,
that
the
issue
at
hand
is
that
there
is
redundancy
in
how
we
administer
these
programs.
C
So
under
Section
113
of
this
bill,
you'll
see,
we've
asked
them
to
work
together
and
prepare
report
for
us
recommendation.
Number
seven
is
require
the
office
of
human
resource
management
to
work
with
the
Personnel
cabinet,
to
identify
systemic
barriers
and
redundancies
prohibiting
an
effective
and
a
timely,
hiring
and
onboarding
process.
We
in
effect,
have
two
Personnel
offices
within
state
government.
One
is
our
office
of
personnel.
C
The
other
is
kind
of
a
subset
in
office,
it's
actually
within
the
department
or
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services,
and
the
reason
for
this
is
we
can't
onboard
new
employees
quick
enough
through
the
Personnel
cabinet,
so
we
have
a
kind
of
sub
Department
within
the
department
or
within
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services.
That
also
has
that
function
to
get
people
on
board,
but
then
we
harm
permanently
through
the
Personnel
cabinet,
and
that
is
truly
an
efficient
system.
You
know
it's
a
workaround
problem.
C
C
Today,
it's
15
billion,
given
the
size
of
that
program,
The
increased
demand
for
public
assistance,
social
and
Human
Services
that
we
acknowledge
that
our
legislation
needs
to
reevaluate
our
committee
structure
in
order
to
actually
serve
the
needs
of
kentuckians
and
you're,
seeing
evidence
that
they
with
now
having
a
health
services
committee
on
the
Senate
side
and
a
family
and
children's
services
as
well
in
our
house.
Members
have
done
the
same
thing
on
the
house
side.
B
Thank
you,
chairman
Meredith
I
want
to
kick
it
off
and
I
know.
Back
during
the
summer,
you
and
I
had
a
couple
discussions
on
the
possibility
of
creating
a
children's
cabinet
and
separating
all
issues
dealing
with
children
into
that
cabinet.
Is
that
something
you
all
discussed
within
the
committee?
Any
traction
there
at
all
any
thoughts
about
that?
We.
C
We
did
and
the
reason
we
don't
have
a
recommendation
with
regard
to
that
is
again.
We
focus
predominantly
on
the
current
organizational
structure
in
aligning
those
responsibilities
and
accountabilities
this
next
session.
If
this
bill
is
approved
and
the
task
force
continues,
our
work
is
we
want
to
get
into
the
operational
aspect
of
East
cabinet
here
from
recipients
and
hear
from
employers
within
those
areas
to
figure
out
how
we
can
do
this
better
in
more
streamlined.
C
D
Senator
Westerfield,
thank
you,
chairman
Senator
I
appreciate
the
the
summary
of
the
bill.
You
and
I
had
this
conversation
yesterday.
I'm
curious-
and
you
may
have
mentioned
this
because
I
was
just
a
a
minute
or
two
late
walking
in
here.
The
AG's
office
is
going
to
take
over
quite
a
lot
of
the
substance.
So
there's
a
lot
of
changes
there.
That
shifts
a
lot
to
the
oag
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
on
board
with
those
changes,
if
you
haven't
already
explained
that
thank.
C
You
and
as
I
mentioned
since
we
filed
this
bill,
January
5th,
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
different
groups.
The
AG's
office
in
our
Kentucky
county
terms
associate
was
one
of
the
first
had
great
dialogue
with
with
those
folks
independent
of
each
other.
So
we
can
understand
what
their
issues
are.
C
The
Kentucky
County
attorneys
Association
was
fully
on
board
the
only
thing
they
asked
us
to
be
part
of
a
work,
team
and
kind
of
transition
for
this,
and
also
move
the
implementation
date
to
July
1st,
to
2025
to
coincide
with
the
contracts
with
the
counties
when
I
contacted
AG's
office
and
and
told
them
the
county
attorney's
desire
to
be
involved
in
the
work
plan.
They
certainly
Embrace
that,
and
they
saw
the
importance
and
needs
of
this.
All
they
wanted
was
assurances
that
the
resources
to
do
the
job
would
be
given
to
them.
C
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Senator
Meredith
great
work
on
this
appreciate.
Also
the
task
force
members
and
I
also
want
to
personally
thank
you
for
the
frisky
program.
I
think
I
speak
for
every
legislator.
That's
up
here!
Thank
you
for
making
that
move
really
appreciate
the
work
that
they
do
back
in
every
one
of
the
districts
and
so
I
know
every
one
of
us
heard
from
them.
Quite
often
with
emails,
I
appreciate
their
correspondence,
but
thank
you
for
listening
to
making
that
adjustment
in
your
sub
very
nice
work.
Well,.
C
I
mean,
let
me
assure
everyone
that,
during
our
discussions
about
possible
reorganizations,
that
area,
probably
more
than
any
other,
has
the
support
of
the
cabinet
and
our
legislature.
We
know
the
Fantastic
work
they
do,
and
you
know
everybody
wants
to
change
state
government
until
we
change
state
government
and
I
still
think
this
is
the
best
moving
them
to
education.
C
Workforce
Development
is
still
the
best
position
for
them
long
term,
and
this
may
be
revised
in
the
future,
and
the
rationale
for
that
is
quite
simply
is
that
I
think
our
next
two
budget
Cycles
will
be
one
of
the
most
challenging
that
we've
seen
at
least
while
I've
been
in
the
legislature.
We're
not
going
to
have
a
covert
relief
money
more
and
the
federal
funds
are
going
to
dry
up
in
the
rampant
inflation.
C
But
again
when
we
have
to
make
determinations
of
what
the
priority
funding
should
be
I
think
that's
the
area
we'll
have
to
do
first.
So
again
it
was
not
a
criticism
of
anything.
The
Friskies
had
done.
They've
done
a
fantastic
job.
My
only
disappointment
is
I
received
those
same
emails
as
no
one
asked
me
why
what
the
intent
of
this
bill
was,
and
it
certainly
wasn't
wasn't
done
to
harm
them.
In
fact,
I
spoke
to
one
group.
They
had
five
counties
of
Friskies
and
said
I'll
paraphrase
Jeremiah
29
11.
B
C
Since
we
don't
have
these
assigned
to
one
particular
area
and
again
I
think
probably
the
recommendation
in
the
committee,
for
the
most
part
would
have
been
to
move
this
to
Medicaid
because
of
different
rules
for
for
each
of
the
the
waiver
programs,
and
it's
a
proverbial
the
left
hand
doesn't
really
know
what
the
right
hand
are
doing
and
that
may
sound
a
harsh
criticism.
But
again
this
is
state
government.
It's
too
broad
to
widen.
C
I
think
there
is
some
redundancies
and
that's
the
things
we
need
to
try
to
identify
to
make
sure
we're
securing
this
Federal
funding
that
supports
these
programs,
but
also
take
on
a
broader
mission
of
getting
more
people
covered
under
the
waiver
program.
You
know
the
waiting
list
better
than
anyone,
so
it's
trying
to
forget
those
resources
that
maybe
suspended
necessarily
because
of
redundancy,
and
so
we
can
add
more
people
to
the
waiver
program
and.
B
I
know
with
the
the
waivers
redesign
would
be
a
large
part
of
this
to
kind
of
standardize.
The
waivers
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
throughout
the
years
that
we've
looked
at
the
redesign
about
more
of
an
A
La
Carte,
with
all
the
waivers
individuals
getting
this
Services.
They
need,
rather
than
various
waivers
having
particular
services
so
and
I.
I
hope
that
that's
the
direction
that
we
move
in
and
and
I
agree
with
you
completely
on
the
waiver
list.
B
I
learned
something
Friday
that
I
really
wasn't
clear
on
and
and
on
the
Michelle,
P
waiver
and
I'm.
Not
sure
members
of
this
committee
know
this,
but
on
the
Michelle
P
waiver
there
are
some
eight
over
eight
thousand
on
that
waiting
list.
Over
5
000
of
those
8
000
are
children.
Under
the
age
of
18.
and
I
know,
the
cabinet
has
taken
some
steps
to
look
specifically
at
the
children
different
population
when
it
comes
to
waiver
and
and
the
the
services
that
that
most
kids
would
need
are
different,
they're
in
school
every
day.
B
So
really
not
not
day,
programs
aren't
needed,
maybe
in
some
cases
respite
or
in
you
know,
some
cases
were
were
there,
children
that
are
more
severe,
obviously
more
types,
personal
care
services
and
that
type
of
thing.
B
So
it
was
an
interesting
conversation
that
I
had
about
that
and
and
I
think
that
may
provide
us
with
a
path
forward
to
take
a
really
good
chunk
out
of
the
numbers,
and
you
know
if
we
have
three
3
500
left
that
are
adults,
that's
much
easier
to
manage
than
having
eight
thousand
so
I
think
the
cabinet
is
is
doing
a
good
job
in
thinking
in
the
right
direction.
With
those
things
so
I
look
forward
to
some
things
happening
with
that
and
and
and.
F
B
Would
be
nice
with
the
waiver
services
to
have
the
same
set
of
rules
as
you
go
through
each
day
and
it?
It
is
a
struggle
from
a
provider's
perspective,
looking
at
different
waivers
and
and
the
rules
that
are
different
and
trying
to
manage
all
of
those
programs
with
a
different
set
of
rules.
In
many
cases
and.
C
You
know
the
other
issue
and
again
to
me
it's
the
most
tragic
part
of
of
the
Medicaid
Program
that
we've
got
so
many
people
on
that
waiting
list,
and
they
truly
are
some
of
our
most
needed
most
vulnerable,
but
also
access
to
those
services
and
again
looking
at
the
payment
rates
for
the
waiver
program
is
something
that
we
have
to
do.
But
I
was
quite
optimistic.
C
And
that
was
expressed
by
our
legislature
and
committee
meetings,
Medicaid
oversight
and
Health
and
Welfare
that
those
funds
should
be
used
to
provide
additional
payments
to
Providers
and
again
personally,
take
more
people
on
the
waiting
list
and
provide
those
services
to
them.
But
now
they're
going
to
have
to
wait
even
longer.
E
B
I
there
are,
there
are
rate
increases
coming,
but
they
are
I,
think
the
10
percent,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
it's
and
I
think
you're
exactly
right
as
we
as
we
take
people
off
of
this
waiver.
We
have
to
do
that
gradually
to
make
sure
that
we
can
grow
providers
throughout
the
state
and
and
just
to
be
able
to
sustain
those
programs.
That's
that's
the
key
to
making
that
happen,
and
I
also
think
you
know
through
through
customizing.
B
C
B
B
C
B
B
G
G
Good
morning
again,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
and
to
present
on
TANF
TANF
or
the
temporary
assistance
for
needy
family
families
program
was
established
in
1996
by
Congress
to
replace
the
aid
to
families,
families
with
dependent
children.
The
old
aefdc
program
TANF
was
created
to
end
to
end
poverty
by
gradually
decreasing
Public,
Assistance
recipients
and
encouraging
self-sufficiency
through
the
introduction
of
the
60
month,
lifetime
limits
on
on
benefits
and
work
in
establishing
work
requirements.
G
G
And
here
we
have
the
household
eligibility
for
Tana
program,
so
these
include
U.S,
being
a
U.S
citizen
or
legal
immigrant
being
unemployed
or
underemployed,
participate
participation
with
child
support
and
being
a
parent
or
caregiver
and
responsible
for
the
care
of
a
child
18
years
of
age
or
younger.
When
we
look
at
these
requirements,
the
one
that
we
would
like
to
to
discuss
a
little
bit
further
is
with
child
support
enforcement
and
as
it
as
it
relates
to
our
relative
caregivers.
G
We
have
heard
from
relative
caregivers
and
regarding
the
concerns
around
participation
with
child
support
and
how
it
impacts
their
ability
to
access
tenant
benefits.
We
also
also
over
the
interim,
the
the
Kentucky
kinship
Coalition
I'm,
sorry,
the
kinship
families
Coalition
of
Kentucky
presented
to
one
of
the
legislative
committees,
and
there
too,
they
expressed
concerns
with
the
requirements
on
relatives
who
participate
with
participate,
participating
with
child
support
enforcement.
Specifically,
they
express
concerns
around
the
administrative
type
burdens
with
child
support
participation,
additional
Hoops.
They
had
to
jump
through
paperwork
and
just
overall
requirements.
G
They
also
Express
concerns
with
regards
to
the
tension
or
even
animosity
within
families
because
of
their
pursuit
of
child
support,
and
so
we
we
mentioned
that.
We
mentioned
that
here
today,
because
we
have
heard
from
our
from
relative
caregivers
and
and
who
state
that
this
is
a
significant
barrier
for
them
in
accessing
tenant
funds
and
caring
for
children
that
are
in
their
custody.
And
you
know
this
is
both
a
federal
and
state
requirements.
So
we
wanted
to
bring
it
to
your
attention,
as
we
would
support
a
federal
exemption
to
this.
G
Here
we
have,
we
have
a
list
of
the
10,
some
of
the
tanfunded
programs.
You
see
the
Kentucky
Transitional
Assistance
Program
in
the
Kentucky
Works
program,
both
of
which
are
100
percent
funded
through
Federal
tenant
funds.
We
also,
it
also
supports
kinship
care,
relative
placement
support
benefits,
relative
foster
care
and
adoption
subsidies
and
other
protection
and
permanency
programs.
But
what's
what's
of
importance
to
know
here,
is
that
all
of
these
programs
in
TANF
in
general,
revolves
around
the
child
in
need
and
their
caregivers.
I
So
Lisa
did
a
great
job
talking
about
the
history
of
TANF
and
the
requirements
around
it,
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
current
program
status
and
current
funding.
So
here
we
have
a
breakdown
of
the
TANF
block,
grant
again
Federal
block
grant
funding
that
we
received
for
our
current
state
fiscal
year.
I
You
can
see
that
the
majority
of
the
funding
is
going
to
what
we
call
Basic
assistance,
and
this
is
cash
assistance
about
44
million
45
million
of
that
63
million
goes
to
relative
foster
care
and
adoption
paid
with
TANF
funds
about
14
million.
It
goes
to
ktap
recipients,
we'll
get
into
the
ktap
program
a
little
bit
later
on
and
about
3
million
goes
to
Kinship
Caregivers,
and
you
may
be
thinking
I'm
I've
heard
of
that
program.
I
Didn't
that
stop
a
long
time
ago
there
was
a
moratorium
placed
on
the
program
in
2013,
but
children
who,
for
whom
assistance
was
being
provided
for
that
were
already
in
the
program
at
that
time,
have
stayed
in
the
program,
so
there's
still
about
400
children
that
are
receiving
kinship
care
payments
through
this
funding.
We
also
have
here.
You
can
see
the
next
two
largest
wedges
go
to
work,
education,
training
and
support
services.
Again
these
are
part
of
our
Kentucky
Transitional
Assistance
Program
ktap
and
the
Kentucky
Works
program.
The
work
requirement
part
of
the
ktap
program.
I
So
we'll
talk
about
those
a
little
bit
more
later
on
and
you'll
see,
we
have
a
wedge
here
for
child
care
as
well.
Our
child
care
assistance
program
is
actually
paid
for
through
different
Federal
block
grant
funds,
the
child
care
and
Development
Fund
block
grant.
So
this
child
care
funding
is
specific
to
ktap
recipients.
So
if
there
are
ktap
recipients
who
need
child
care,
it's
paid
for
with
TANF
block
grant
funds
here
is
another
breakdown
of
the
TANF
block
grant
funding.
I
This
is
an
excerpt
from
our
half
year
status
report,
dcbs
administers
five
block
grants
and
we're
required
to
submit
half-year
Block
Grant
status
reports
for
all
of
those,
so
we
do
submit
those
to
the
lrc.
This
one
was
just
submitted
at
the
beginning
of
this
month,
so
you
can
see
the
budgeted
and
funds
actually
spent
so
far
to
date.
I
Actually,
you
will
have
an
opportunity
to
be
even
more
involved
in
this
because,
with
all
of
the
block
grants,
when
we
apply
for
them,
we
submit
a
state
plan
consisting
of
how
we
intend
to
use
those
funds
and
prior
to
submitting
that
to
the
federal
government.
We
submit
a
preliminary
state
plan
to
the
lrc,
so
we
will
submit
that
to
you
prior
to
applying
for
those
Federal
grant
funds.
Typically,
that
is
placed
on
a
committee
agenda
and
that
committee
will
serve
as
a
hearing
for
that
block,
grant
and
preliminary
state
plan.
I
I
Foreign.
So
I'll
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
Kentucky
Transitional
Assistance
Program.
As
you
could
see
from
those
budget
slides
and
as
Lisa
mentioned,
the
the
primary
use
of
those
funds
is
the
first
of
those
federally
established
purposes
of
TANF
assisting
families
in
need,
so
children
can
be
cared
for
in
their
own
homes
or
the
homes
of
relatives.
I
In
the
first
half
of
the
fiscal
years
you
saw
almost
twice
had
been
spent
on
protection
and
permanency
Services,
which
is
relative,
foster
care,
adoption,
placement
support,
benefit
and
again
kinship
care,
but
the
Kentucky
Transitional
Assistance
Program
ktap
accomplishes
the
first
two
purposes:
keeping
children
in
their
home
or
the
home
of
relative
caregivers
and
also
reducing
the
dependency
of
parents
in
Need
by
promoting
job
preparation
and
work.
So
again,
Lisa
mentioned
the
requirements
for
ktap.
It
does
have
a
federal
60-month
lifetime
limit,
so
the
emphasis
really
is
on
temporary.
I
This
was
structured
to
be
a
temporary
safety
net
program
to
help
individuals
obtain
re-employment,
so
over
an
individual's
lifetime.
They
can
only
be
in
the
program
for
a
maximum
of
60
months.
It
provides
financial
assistance
to
needy
dependent
children
in
Kentucky
and
their
caregivers,
So.
Currently
I
think
I
said
it's
a
little
bit
later.
On
as
well
but
there's
3,
000
adults
receiving
assistance
from
this
program
and
there's
17
000
children
receiving
assistance.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
relative
caregivers
who
are
receiving
this
assistance
on
behalf
of
the
children
in
their
care.
I
But
individuals,
adults
who
are
part
of
the
program
and
are
able
to
work,
are
required
to
participate
in
the
Kentucky
Works
program
and
ktap
can
be
used
to
provide
Supportive
Services,
such
as
child
care
that
I
mentioned
previously,
and
also
services
that
are
needed
to
obtain
work
or
that
is
needed
for
work
such
as
Transportation,
Support,
Services
uniforms.
Things
like
that
and
the
payment
is
based
on
family
size
and
income.
So
you'll
see
a
little
bit
later
on
that
a
caregiver
caring
for
one
child
receives
a
different
amount
than
someone
I'm
caring
for
multiple
children.
I
Krs-205-20031
requires
the
cabinet
to
promulgate
administrative
regulations,
to
develop
a
work
program
for
recipients
of
Public
Assistance
to
provide
for
a
media,
employment
or
preparation
for
employment
for
the
pursuit
of
work
and
self-sufficiency.
This
we've
established
this
through
the
Kentucky
Works
program.
It's
also
a
federal
requirement
for
individuals
to
participate
in
a
work
program,
so
this
is
required
of
some
specific
ktap
recipients
and
it's
available
to
all
recipients.
I
The
goal
of
the
Kentucky
Works
program
is
to
assist
work
eligible
individuals
in
supporting
their
families
through
self-sufficiency,
and
this
program
helps
households,
obtain
employment
and
and
keep
their
employment.
It
also
provides
job
training
and
job
seeking
assistance.
So
we,
if
you
saw
that
pie
wedge
on
Support
Services,
a
lot
of
that
goes
to
providing
training,
that's
needed
for
employment,
licensure
fees,
school
supplies,
Transportation
costs
uniforms
things
like
that,
and
we
do
verify
that
that
is
needed
for
their
employment.
I
Tanf's
early
years,
so
TANF
was
created
by
Congress
as
again
to
get
individuals
back
to
work,
to
obtain
self-sufficiency,
and
ever
since
TANF
was
created
there,
it
has
seen
unprecedented
declines
in
the
number
of
families
receiving
cash
assistance,
pretty
much
doing
what
it
was
created
to
do.
Since
TANF
was
created,
the
national
caseload
has
declined
by
76
percent
because
the
program
reaches
so
many
fewer
families
than
the
TANF
predecessor
did
AIDS
to
families
with
dependent
children.
It
provides
less
protection
against
poverty
and
especially
deep
poverty.
Even
through
TANF,
we
saw
historic
lows
in
utilization.
I
In
2022,
an
average
of
10
088
families
received
k-tap
again
about
3,
000
adults
and
close
to
17
000
children,
and
that
was
down
from
about
from
almost
14
000
families
just
two
years
prior
so
and
the
this
is
definitely
a
trend,
something
that
that
has
continued
for
many
years
and
and
again
you
know
that
we'll
get
into
the
amounts
in
a
little
bit.
The
amounts
haven't
been
updated
in
about
30
years
and
with
the
lifetime
limit,
I
mean
everything
just
really
urges
families
off
of
ktap
Once
they
obtain
employment.
I
So
we've
seen
a
decline
of
53
percent
just
in
our
state
since
2016.,
so
we're
really
the
dramatic
decline
in
neutralization
lets
us
afford
the
changes
that
we've
proposed
to
make
the
increases
that
we've
proposed
and
I
do.
Mention
also
that
some
of
these
Support
Services
have
been
provided
to
less
than
10
individuals.
There
are
a
couple
of
aspects
of
this
program
where,
for
ktap
recipients,
there's
like
relocation
needed
for
job
assistance
or
again
some
of
those
support,
services
and
specific
ones
are
being
requested
by
less
than
10
individuals.
I
B
I
ask
you
to
hold
up
just
a
second
I'm
having
a
hard
time
wrapping
my
head
around
the
decline
when,
obviously
poverty
is
not
really
getting
any
better
right
within
the
Commonwealth.
Is
it
is
it
due
to
the
fact
that
so
many
have
been
through
it
and
and
have
been
through
it
for
five
years
and
are
no
longer
eligible
or
it
is,
is?
Are
these
programs
offered
when
someone
signs
up
for
Medicaid.
I
Totally
fine
with
the
eligibility
is
a
set
amount
too.
So
it's
a
set
income,
whereas
programs
like
CCAP
and
LIHEAP,
they
are
a
percentage
of
the
federal
poverty
level.
So
again
these
amounts
haven't
been
changed
in
about
30
years,
so
every
year
you
know
that
that
income
becomes
a
smaller
percentage
of
the
federal
poverty
level.
Right
now
for
a
family
of
four,
you
have
to
be
somewhere
around
or
below
40
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level
to
qualify
for
this
program,
but
I'll.
Let
my
colleague
talk
a
little
bit
about
Outreach.
H
I
Also
mention
the
benefit
amounts
have
not
changed
in
30
years
either.
So
you'll
see
for
a
caregiver
They
will
receive
about
108
I,
think
it's
186
dollars
a
month
for
the
care
of
a
child
and
for
a
relative
caregiver.
They
they
may
choose
not
to
because
they
would
have
to
pursue
child
support
from
potentially
their
child,
and
they
may
decide
that
it's
not
financially
worth
it
to
them.
So
we
do
have
people
that
decide
not
to
pursue
it.
H
I
We
we
would
support
an
exemption
specific
to
relative
caregivers,
but
again
it
would
take
a
federal
change
and
estate
change
as
well.
So
we
we
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
as
something
that
has
been
brought
to
our
attention.
B
I
It's
okay,
okay,
okay,
so
we
we
have
proposed
changes
in
the
ktap
program
and
my
colleague
is
going
to
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
kind
of
wanted
to
talk
about
why
we've
proposed
changes.
We
were
required
to
make
a
change
relating
to
recruitment
of
funds
by
House,
Bill
7
last
year,
and
also
again,
the
language
and
the
amounts
in
these
administrative
regulations
are
extremely
outdated
and
there's
a
statute.
Sorry
a
bill
passed
a
few
years
ago.
That
requires
us
to
update
administrative
regulations,
and
these
were
up
for
expiration.
I
It
is
a
really
great
program
to
help
families
so
also
we
have
made
a
change
to
specifically
help
two
parent
families
we
have
presented
on
TANF
in
the
past,
the
health,
welfare
and
Family
Services
committee
and
been
asked
about
if
the
program
m
is
more
beneficial
to
a
single
parent
and
how
accessible
it
is
to
two
parent
families-
and
there
really
is
a
part
in
the
program.
Currently
that
makes
it
very
hard
for
two
parent
families
to
be
eligible
for
the
program.
I
So
we
we
have
proposed
to
to
remove
that
barrier
again,
we
are
increasing
the
benefit
amounts
that
have
not
been
benefited
actually,
since
the
the
predecessor
to
tnf
the
aidsburg
dependent
children
and
families,
and
then
we
have
made
some
proposing
changes
to
address
the
benefits.
Cliff
there's
currently
a
resource
limit
for
ktap
recipients
if
they
have
more
than
two
thousand
dollars
in
savings
and
that
can
be
from
a
number
of
sources
of
of
resources
savings
then
they're
ineligible.
I
So
we
are
increasing
that
so
that
as
families
save
more
money,
they're
not
eliminated,
you
know
kicked
out
of
the
program
just
for
saving
some
money
so
and
now
I
will
turn
it
over
to
more
specific
changes.
Okay,.
H
Thanks
Laura
first
change
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about
is,
and
Laura
mentioned
it
is
eliminating.
H
Mic
a
little
closer
to
you,
yeah
I'm,
sorry,
so
I'll
move
closer
to
it
too.
Sorry
about
that
eliminating
the
deprivation
Factor.
This
is
actually
something
left
over
from
the
days
of
afdc
and
it's
a
technical
factor
of
Eligibility
and
to
be
eligible.
A
child
must
be
deprived
of
support
of
one
or
both
parents,
and
that's
going
to
be
the
case
having
to
verify
that
is
really
just
sort
of
an
administrative
burden.
So
removing
this
Factor
will
it'll
really
help
the
two
parent
households.
We
would
have
to
the
way
it
stands
today.
H
We
would
have
to
verify
labor
market
attachment
and-
and
it's
just
really
a
burdensome
process.
So
this
will
we're
not
eliminating
any
other
factors
of
Eligibility.
They'll
still
have
to
meet
the
same
Financial
requirements
they
will
still
as
we've
addressed,
have
to
cooperate
with
child
support
enforcement,
and
so
it
really
just
does
remove
something.
That's
administrative
and
streamline
the
process
a
little
bit
and
through
that
I
think
it'll
help
should
help
the
more
two-parent
households
make
it
through
that
application
process.
H
Here's
where
we
talked
about
increasing
the
k-top
benefit
amounts.
These
are
the
current
amounts.
Naslar
said
they
haven't
changed
since
December
of
95.
I
was
just
a
I
think
a
been
a
four-year
state
employee
back
in
the
field
back
then.
So
that's
been
a
long
time
ago.
You
can
see
it's
not
very
much
if,
if
it's
a
relative
caregiver,
just
only
the
child
in
the
benefit
amount,
that's
186
dollars
a
month,
we're
a
relative
caregiver.
H
H
So
if
we're
going
to
increasing
the
benefit,
amounts
wouldn't
mean
anything
if
we
didn't
increase
to
these
two
things:
that's
the
gross
income
scale
and
the
standard
of
need,
and
so,
if
we
didn't
increase
these
two
things,
nobody
would
be
eligible
for
those
increased
benefit
amounts.
So
that's
that's.
H
Why
we're
doing
this
and
basically,
if
somebody
meets
the
gross
income
limit
and
then
we
sub,
we
subtract,
there's
certain
things
we
can
deduct
from
their
gross
income
and
then
once
we
make
that
calculation
We
compare
that
to
the
standard
of
need
and
if
they
have
money
left
above
the
standard,
they're
not
eligible
for
the
program.
If
they're
below
the
standard,
then
there's
a
calculation
to
determine
they
either
get
the
maximum
benefit
amount
or
some
reduced
amount
based
on
their
family
size.
So
that's
how
that
works.
H
I
believe
Laura
mentioned
this
increasing
the
resource
limit.
This
is
combined
resources
and
we
simply
want
to
move
that
number
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
per
household
again.
This
is
not
this
is
this:
is
income
that
or
money
that
they
have
saved
so
they've
saved
on
their
own?
This
is
not
anything
going
out
the
door
to
them.
H
H
If,
if
a
household
applies
for
k-time
and
they're
otherwise
eligible
in
lieu
of
receiving
that
monthly
benefit,
if
they
have,
if
they
are
employed
or
can
return
to
employment,
then
we
but
they're
just
experiencing
some
sort
of
a
short-term
emergency
type
situation.
We
can
help
them
for
three
months
and
and
then
you
know,
with
the
understanding
that
they'll
have
that
employment
to
return
to
if
or
remain
in,
provided
we
help
them.
So
what
we're
doing
is
increasing
the
assistance
for
that
program.
H
I
think
we're
it's
thirteen
hundred
dollars
now
we're
going
to
raise
that
to
2600.
That's
what
we
propose
to
do
just
because
again,
this
hasn't.
This
amount
hasn't
been
increased
in
a
number
of
years
and
that
actually
helps
keep
households
from
from
needing
the
monthly
benefit.
If
we
can
help
them,
you
know
remain
in
their
employment.
H
Another
thing
is
increasing
the
work
incentive
payment.
We
have
a
program
for
individuals
who
lose
their
k-type
eligibility
because
of
employment,
their
k-top
discontinues
because
of
earned
income.
We
have
a
program
where
we
and
this
kind
of
helps
reduce
it's
almost
like
reducing
their
benefit
over
time,
instead
of
all
at
once.
Their
k-tap
is
going
to
discontinue,
but
we
give
them
this
work.
Incentive
reimbursement
is
what
we
call
it
for
nine
months
now
and
and
after
their
k-type
discontinues,
and
we're
we're
going
to
raise
the
amount
of
that
from
130
to
200
dollars.
H
So
that's
a
proposal
we
have
and
then
we
have
a
program
called
relocation
assistance
and
it's
for
individuals
who
have
an
offer
of
employment,
but
it's
not
close
to
where
they
live.
So
we
can
help
them
relocate
to
be
able
to
accept
that
employment,
and
we
also
offer
this
program
for
instances
of
domestic
violence
and
so
we're
wanting
to
increase
that
amount,
I
think
from
500
to
1500.
Now
again
we
would
verify
that
need
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
there's
some
requirements
around
that,
but
it
500
you
know
just
won't,
hardly
help.
H
So
here
are
the
Supportive
Services
we
have
that
are
specifically
available
to
those
participating
in
the
Kentucky
Works
program
and
that's
the
the
work
program.
That's
tied
to
ktap
eligibility.
So
if
you
are
a
parent
or
a
relative,
that
has
chosen
to
be
included
in
the
benefit
amount,
and
you
don't
have
a
reason
that
you're
not
eligible
for
work,
you're
determined,
quote,
unquote
to
be
a
work
eligible.
Then
you
have
to
participate
in
the
Kentucky
Works
program
and
the
good
thing
about
that
is.
H
We
have
all
these
supports
to
help
you
go
to
get
training,
get
some
education
so
that
you
can
move.
You
know
you
can
you
can
really
determine
what
your
career
goal
is
and
we'll
help
you
get
there,
and
so
here's
what
we
have
is
200
a
month
Transportation,
currently
we're
gonna
We
propose
to
raise
that
to
300
vehicle
repairs.
Again
we're
going
to
verify.
H
You
know
that
they
that
it's
their
vehicle,
what
the
amount
is
and
we're
going
to
make
a
vendor
payment
to
help
them
pay
for
that
and
we'd
like
to
increase
that
up
to
three
thousand
dollars
so
that
they
can.
You
know
get
back
and
forth
to
work
other
fees,
we
can
pay
up
to
400
for
different
kinds
of
fees
and
then
other
Support
Services
we're
proposing
to
increase
that
as
well,
and
this
you
know,
is
currently
400
and
this
is
for
uniforms
different
things
that
might
be
required
for
work.
So
that's
the
proposal
there.
B
So
help
help
me
understand
each
each
year
when
we
apply
for
the
TANF
Grant
is
it?
Is
it
based?
How
do
you
justify
the
the
amount
that
you
request
if
usage
is
down?
Has
the
amount
of
the
TANF
Grant
declined
over
the
years,
or
do
you
all
have
the
ability
to
move
funds
from
from
one
service
to
another?
How
does
that
work.
H
I
We
we
submit
the
state
plan
for
it
in
detail,
how
we
are
going
to
to
use
it.
But
yes,
there
is
some
flexibility,
so
we're
spending
more
on
relative
Foster
and
adoption
than
we
have
in
the
past
with
these
TANF
funds,
because
ktap
has
declined.
So
we
there
is
some
flexibility
in
how
we
can
use
the
funds
as
long
as
it
is
revolves
around
a
child
in
need
and
a
relative
caregiver.
D
You
Mr
chairman,
very
quickly:
I
may
have
missed
it.
You
kept
referring
to.
We
are
going
to
move
those
benefits
levels.
Is
that
a
chfs
with
a
state
plan
decision,
or
do
we
need
to
legislate
that,
in
addition
to
the
other
recommendations,
the
the
increasing
of
thresholds,
the
increasing
the
the
savings
amount,
which
I
think
is
wise,
we're
punishing
them
for
saving,
for
goodness
sake,
I'm
just
curious.
I
We've
promulgated
administrative
regulations,
I
think
last
August
was
when
we
first
filed
the
administrative
regulations.
All
of
these
amounts
are
contained
in
administrative
regulations
as
long
as
the
as
well
as
the
eligibility
criteria.
So
those
did
go
through
a
public
comment
period.
We
presented
to
the
benefits
Cliff
task
force.
No
public
comments
were
received.
There
are
a
few
ktep
administrative
regulations
on
this
agenda
to
be
reviewed
and
there
will
be
there
should
be
more
next
month
as
well,
so
they
will
undergo
legislative
review
as
part
of
the
process
too,
but
through
administrative
regulation.
Thank.
D
B
And
on
here,
where
on
proposed
changes
on
men
require
amendments
required
by
House,
Bill,
7
and
house
bill
50.,
specifically,
you
all
are
going
to
address
changes
through
regulation.
Yes,.
I
Sir
House
Bill
7
and
house
bill
50
from
previous
years
required
us
to
make
changes
in
the
administrative
regulations
so
because
these
amounts
everything
is
contained
in
administrative
regulation
eligibility.
We
took
care
of
everything
at
one
time,
so
there
was
a
total
of
11
ktap
administrative
regulations
amended.
Most
of
those
are
just
cleanup
that
was
required.
Technical
Corrections,
because
the
regulations
haven't
been
opened.
Them
ended
in
so
long,
but
we
did
also
take
the
opportunity
to
propose
increases
in
the
amounts.
B
Okay
and
one
final
question:
you
all
stated
that
you
have
utilized
some
of
the
the
funds
due
to
the
decline
in
participation
in
some
of
the
programs.
You've
moved
those
funds
elsewhere
with
these
changes
that
you're
making
will
there
be
detrimental
effects
to
these
other
programs
that
that
money
had
been
shifted
to
no.
I
B
And
with
the
block
grant
I'm,
assuming
that
all
those
funds
are
used
every
year,
yes,.
I
F
B
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
will
so
there
are
no
other
questions,
and
this
this
is
regarding
the
regulations
we've
covered.
All
of
that,
and
since
there
are
none,
we
will
note
that
these
have
been
reviewed.
Thank
you
all
very
much,
I
appreciate
the
information.
Thank.
I
F
You
I'm
glad
to
see
the
sub
still
going
to
vote.
No
AJ's
got
a
lot
to
do
and
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
it
needs
a
lot
more
discussion
than
we've
had
vote.
No.
B
Very
good
that
is
it
for
this
agenda.
Our
next
scheduled
meeting
will
be
next
Tuesday
February
21st
at
9
00
a.m.
We
Stand
adjourned.