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A
This
is
good
morning.
This
is
house
state
government
committee,
our
ninth
meeting.
B
A
Here
in
the
room,
so
we
are
duly
constituted
to
meet
folks.
This
is
day
57
and,
as
you
know,
in
every
day,
57
it's
we
do
a
lot
of
things
on
the
wing.
So
the
first
thing
we're
going
to
do
is
change
the
agenda.
I
apologize,
but
things
have
moved
fast
on
us.
We
are
not
going
to
hear
senate
bill
46.
A
A
And
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
ask
start
with
house
resolution
144
representative
roland:
could
you
come
to
the
table?
141
141,
I'm
sorry.
E
Representative
roland,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee
house
resolution.
141
is
a
resolution
that
urges
congress
to
pass
the
sunshine
protection
act
earlier.
This
month
the
u.s
senate
passed
the
sunshine
protection
act
which
would
allow
states
to
do
away
with
the
practice
of
changing
clocks
and
to
stay
on
permanent
daylight
savings.
Time
notion.
A
F
B
E
E
D
C
And
really
representative
roland,
thank
you
for
bringing
this,
but
more
importantly,
for
those
that
may
be
in
the
audience
who
are
watching
and
don't
know,
representative
roland
is
retiring
from
the
general
assembly
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
commonwealth
to
your
constituents.
I'm
yes,
yes,.
F
May
I
explain
my
vote.
You
may
thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative
roland.
I
I'm
kind
of
like
some
of
my.
J
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
and
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
representative
reed
who's,
been
a
huge
advocate
for
this
issue.
If
congress
does
pass
the
sunshine
protection
act,
it
will
come
back
to
you
all
next
year.
So
hopefully
we'll
see
you
all
taking
action
on
this
issue
in
the
2023
session.
A
A
L
Chairman
with
me,
I
have
your
colleague,
representative,
patrick
flannery,
as
well
as
perry,
county
judge,
scott
alexander.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
senate
bill
167,
as
I
think
actually
was
improved
by
the
committee
substitute
that
you
all
hear
adopted
today,
is
a
bill
that
essentially
brings
political
accountability
to
one
of
the
wealthiest
group
of
governmental
entities
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
kentucky's
library
boards.
Collectively
they
are
sitting
over
on
over
292
million
dollars
of
taxpayer
dollars.
L
Under
the
current
system,
the
board
itself
recommends
two
replacement
members
to
the
department
of
library
and
archives.
Who
then
sends
those
reviews?
Those
members
sends
them
back
to
the
county
judge
and
he
is
compelled
to
pick
from
one
of
the
two
members
in
my
district.
There
are
two
districts
that
have
created
some
problems,
particularly
one
of
them
is
in
lawrence
county
judge.
Phil
carter
testified
on
this
bill
in
the
lawrence
county
in
the
senate.
L
In
a
county
of
sixteen
thousand
has
six
million
dollars
in
the
bank.
They
tore
down
two
thirds
of
a
building
less
than
fifteen
years
old,
to
put
on
a
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
addition
and
which
I
think
includes
a
forty
thousand
dollar
fireplace.
L
I
was
told-
and
you
know
they
have
essentially
engaged
in
partisan
politics
in
the
sense
that
when
the
judge
was
elected,
they
sent
over
his
opponent
and
one
of
the
defeated
magisterial
candidates
over
and
he
was
forced
to
pick
from
one
of
them
when
he
tried
to
refuse
they
threatened
to
sue
him.
L
So
you
know
this
has
become
a
increasing
problem
in
the
sense
that
when
you
have
a
breakdown
in
relationship
between
the
county,
fiscal
court
and
the
library
board,
there's
no
ability
for
the
responsible
political
parties
to
to
essentially
reign
them
in
and
that's
when
you
have
these
excess
expenditures
in
pike
county
which
has
a
democratic
judge,
my
predecessor
ray
jones,
they
have
multiple
locations,
including
two
in
downtown
pikeville.
L
A
We
have
a
motion
on
a
bill
and
a
do.
We
have
a
second
and
a
second.
I
would
like
to
ask
senator
wheeler
for
those
that
may
not
have
been
able
to
read
the
the
sub.
The
big
change
was
on
the
appointment
process.
Could
you
talk
about
that?
A
little
bit
for
those
in
the
on
tv
absolutely.
L
Mr
chairman,
under
the
original
bill-
and
let
me
also
state,
I
think
it's
very
important-
that
this
bill
preserves
the
status
quo
in
the
sense
that
a
fiscal
court
has
to
affirmatively
adopt
a
resolution
to
bring
about
the
new
system.
So
if
you
have
a
library
board
that
is
functioning
well,
the
fiscal
court
can
do
nothing
and
it
continues.
It
can
continue
functioning
just
like
it
has.
So
there
has
to
be
an
action
by
the
local
government.
It's
essentially
a
local
option
to
adopt
the
new
system.
L
What
the
once
you
adopt
the
new
system
under
this
committee
substitute.
Basically,
it
gives
the
library
board
two
bites
at
the
apple,
in
the
sense
that
they
can
submit
two
names
at
first
and
if
the
judge
rejects
both
of
those
names,
they
get
a
second
chance
to
submit
two
more
names.
L
Only
in
the
third
instance,
when
they're
not
able
to
agree,
can
the
judge
choose
his
own
member.
So
essentially,
I
think
that
the
committee
substitute
actually
encourages
cooperation
between
the
board
and
the
fiscal
court,
and
in
that
sense
I
think
it's
an
improvement,
since
it
encourages
continuing
dialogue.
A
Compliment
you
and
representative
flannery
on
the
work
you've
done
on
this
to
make
it
more
palatable.
Representative
tipton.
You
have
a
question.
Yes,.
C
C
Okay
and
one
follow-up
question:
there's
another
component
of
this
legislation
that
deals
with
the
leasing
of
educational
institutions
in
a
cap
on
money.
I
think
a
million
dollars.
Could
you
comment
on
that?
A
little
bit
absolutely.
L
Representative,
thank
you
for
that
question.
Yes,
the
second
component
of
this
bill
is:
if
a
a
fiscal
court
chooses
to
adopt
the
new
system,
then
they
would
have
oversight
on
expenditures
above
capital
improvements
above
1
million
dollars.
Again
it's
an
accountability
factor
to
see
that
we
don't
get
into
grandiose
projects
that
perhaps
do
not
meet
their
citizens
needs.
L
On
top
of
that,
the
second
component
that
you
spoke
of
is
you
know.
Sometimes
you
have
library
property
that,
like
many
other
things
can
become
surplus
and
we
also
want
to
expand
the
reach
of
the
library
into
other
aspects
of
the
educational
community.
So
if
the
library
and
say
a
school
board
wants
to
cooperate
on
a
joint
project,
say
like
a
computer
lab,
then
the
library
board
could
in
fact
work
with
the
school
to
make
it
available
to
the
school
by
day
into
the
public
by
night.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
wanted
to
ask
a
question
about
the
educational
part
of
it,
but
let
me
say
that
you
know
in
I
represent
jefferson,
county
odom
and
summer
shelby,
and
you
know
I
live
in
louisville
and
we're
very
proud
of
our
libraries.
We
think
they
they
have
good
government.
They
have
good
governance,
they
have
tremendous
programming,
there's
one
in
middletown,
where
the
kids
from
eastern
high
school
go
across
right
after
school
and
and
I
talked
to
some
of
the
librarians
they're
very
happy
about
that.
K
I
think
every
organization,
every
entity
that
has
the
right
to
set
the
tax
rates
every
one
of
them
should
be
at
least
accountable
insofar
as
their
members
are
appointed
by
an
elected
official,
and
I
understand
they're
appointed
here
by
an
elected
official,
but
that
that
appointment
is
controlled
in
a
way
that
I
I
think
it
ought
not
be
so
I'm
going
to
vote
for
the
bill
there
be
because
because
of
that
thing,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
I,
in
my
neck
of
the
woods,
we
don't
have
those
problems
with
libraries
and
we're
very
proud
of
what
whether
we
need
a
new
library
in
crestwood,
for
example,
in
oldham
county.
K
L
Thank
you
for
that
question,
representative
nemes,
and
you
know
I
do
think
it's
good
governance
and
marshaling
of
resources.
You
know
there
are
several
counties
in
my
district
that
have
trouble.
L
You
know,
financing
certain
projects
that
schools
need,
and
I
think
in
those
circumstances,
that
a
library
board
could
in
fact
work
with
the
community
to
do
that,
and
there
are
protections
in
this
bill
in
the
sense
that
the
library
board,
even
under
the
new
system,
would
have
to
affirmatively
vote
to
participate
in
a
project,
so
it
would
have
to
be
beneficial
both
to
the
library
board
and
to
the
general
community.
L
So,
yes,
I
think
that
there
are
joint
projects
within
particularly
rural
communities
where
these
folks,
you
know
many
cases,
have
substantial
reserves
that
would
enable
them
to
to
work
with
other
local
educational
institutions
in
the
fiscal
court
to
bring
educational
access
to
a
wider
group
of
people.
A
Great
representative
wheatley
and
I,
by
the
way
I
do
have
someone
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition.
So
if
but
go
ahead
and
ask
your
question
of
these
people.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
This.
This
will
be
brief
and
it's
a
little
more
of
a
comment,
but
if,
if
the
senator
or
representative
wants
to
comment
on
this
themselves,
if
I,
if
I
understand
this
correctly,
we
are
considering
a
bill
that
has
has
a
committee
sub
that
we
have
not
seen
till
we
got
here
to
the
committee
and
well.
A
J
Last
night,
okay,
I
was
checking
this
morning
smile
because
I
must
have
missed
last
night's
all
right.
Thank
you
just
a
brief
question,
then
about
the
250
million
dollars
that
is
in
reserve
around
the
state.
It's
292.,
292
million
are
any
of
those
reserves,
and
you
mentioned.
I
think
something
closer
to
to
your
area
that
you
represent
are
any
of
those
above
the
recommended
amounts
to
having
reserve.
As
far
as
you
know,
it's
good
fiscal
policy
to
have
10
percent
in
reserve.
Are
we
looking
at
anything
that
looks
really
odd.
L
Thank
you
for
that
question,
representative
wheatley,
and
in
fact
I
I
agree
with
you.
In
fact,
I'm
looking
at
an
article
done
by
npr
on
this
very
bill
from
murray
state
university,
and
it
said
lindsey
westerfield,
the
director
of
the
russell
county
public
library
system
and
who
chairs
the
kentucky
public
library
association,
recommends
libraries
to
have
at
least
three
months
worth
of
salaries
and
benefits
and
reserve,
and
three
to
six
months
worth
of
operating
expenses.
L
If
you
just
take
the
counties
within
my
district
alone,
lawrence
county
is
sitting
on
6
million,
forty
four
thousand,
which
would
be
if
you
look
at
it
on
an
annual
basis,
a
half
a
million
dollars
a
month
available
for
operating
expenses,
which
I
you
know.
I
think
any
of
us
would
question
a
library
in
a
county
of
sixteen
thousand
dollars.
That
needs
a
half
a
million
dollars
a
month
in
operating
expenses
in
johnson
county.
L
L
Again,
I
think
that's
pretty
substantial
pike
county
has
3.7
million
dollars
for
a
county
of
58
000,
which
would
equate
to
308
000
in
monthly
operating
expenses
if
you
factor
it
out
over
a
12-month
period
and
martin
county
has
1
million
181
000
for
a
county
of
11
000
people
with
which
would
equate
to
about
a
98
000
a
month
available
for
operating
expenses.
So
you
know
those
are.
L
Some
of
those
okay
and
that
it
really
was
getting
to
that
question.
If,
okay,
you
know
lawrence
county,
I
think,
had
a
their
annual
operating
expense
last
year
was
893
000.
L
So
if
you
look
at
a
half
a
million
dollars
available
per
month,
they're
they
have
about
three
years
worth
of
operating
expenses,
plus
they're
continuing
to
take
in
money.
Johnson
county
has
an
annual
operating
expense
of
and
again
these
are
20
20
numbers
800
or
I'm
sorry
that
year
they
spent
a
million
dollars.
So
again,
johnson
county
has.
J
Thank
you
for
those
numbers
that
really
does
get
into
the
the
crux
of
what
some
of
this
is
about.
You
know
in
our.
J
Just
finishing
my
comment,
and
you
know
I
I
apologize
for
the
the
recognition
of
the
the
committee
sub
that
was
last
night
and
just
seeing
it,
but
yes
and
and
in
my
area
they're
very
much
not
for
this,
and
we
don't
look
at
those
numbers.
We
don't
have
numbers
like
that,
so
I
appreciate
the
sharing
it
with
what's
going
on
in
your
area.
Thank
you.
M
I
think
you
indicated
on
the
bill
that
if
a
a
panel
of
board
members
were
presented
that
the
county
judge
could
deny
it
twice
and
then
the
third
time
they
could
appoint,
who
they
wanted
to.
L
That's
correct
under
the
committee
sub,
if,
if
they
affirmatively
adopted
the
new
system
again,
if
you
have
a
functioning
board
and
the
county
feels
it's
a
good
board,
they
can
do
nothing
and
the
current
system
remains
in
place.
But
yes,
if
the
court
chose
to
adopt
the
new
system,
what
you
said
is
exactly
right:
ma'am.
L
Not
I
wouldn't
say
all
of
them
are
not
functioning,
but
I
think
some
of
them
are
not
functioning
and
you
know
I
met
with
the
library
association
and
I
flat
out
asked
him.
What
do
you
do
when
you
have
a
county
board
that
is
not
functioning?
How
come
the
political
powers
within
that
county
essentially
stop
that,
and
you
know
they
did
not
have
an
answer
under
current
law.
You
know
generally,
if
the
board's
not
functioning.
L
Well,
I'm
sure
the
board
member
is
not
going
to
the
board's
not
going
to
recommend
members
to
replace
a
current
member
that
disagrees
with
their
policies.
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
That's
probably
highly
unlikely.
So
what
you
get
is
essentially
a
singular
mindset.
You
know
no
diversity
of
opinion,
and
so
things
keep
going
on
in
a
particular
pathway
that
in
a
minority
of
cases
I
would
not.
L
L
L
I
want,
but
you
know,
actually
it
was
a
beautiful
building
before
I
had
been
in
it
before
the
renovation
like
I
said
it
was
less
than
15
years
old
at
the
time,
and
you
know
what
I
think
is
really
bad
in
that
particular
instance
is
there's
two
smaller
communities
in
lawrence,
county,
blaine
and
fallsburg
that
you
know
have
students
and
elementary
schools
out
there.
L
Instead
of
using
that
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
to
put
a
branch
out
there
to
make
it
accessible
to
those
students
they
put
this,
they
tore
down
their
building
in
downtown
louisa,
the
the
center
of
the
population
and
repaired
it.
So
I
mean
I
just
think
that
the
way
the
current
board's
acting
it's
just
not
serving
that
community
and
there's
no
current
statutory
scheme
to
to
stop
that.
M
L
L
Were
you
a
finished
representative
or
excuse
me,
I
I
said:
were
you
finished
with
your
question?
I
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
I'm
complete.
Okay.
Thank
you
ma'am.
I
don't
look
at
this
as
politician,
politicize
politicization
of
all,
in
fact,
judge
alexander
here
sitting
with
me
as
a
democrat
judge
jones
in
pike
county
that
has
some
issues
as
a
democrat
judge
carter
in
lawrence
county
as
a
republican.
So
I
mean
this
is
really
not
about
partisan
politics.
This
is
simply
about
good
government
and
accountability
for
a
substantial
amount
of
tax
money.
I
L
Well,
thank
you
for
that
question
representative,
and
I
I
do
agree
that
that
is
the
capital.
Expenditures
are
one
reason,
but
you
know
I
think
that
again,
when
you're,
when
you
have
taxing
authority,
I
know
in
particular
cases
a
lot
of
these
boards
continue
to
collect
taxes
and,
in
fact,
take
the
compensating
rate
every
year
to
increase
their
revenues
when
they
already
have
large
amounts
of
money
in
the
bank.
So
it's
not
just
an
expenditure
problem.
L
I
L
Well,
representative,
I
guess
I
would
disagree
with
the
characterization
as
a
sledgehammer
approach
because,
as
I
said
under
this
bill,
the
current
system
is
the
de
facto
system.
The
court
actually
has
to
take
an
affirmative
action
in
order
to
implement
the
new
system.
You
know,
but
obviously
our
constitution
ban
special
legislation.
So
you
know,
unfortunately,
all
these
library
boards
operate
under
a
a
state
statute.
L
So
we
can't
just
make
a
statute
for
lawrence
county.
We
can't
make
just
a
statute
for
perry
county.
We
can't
make
a
statute
for
pike
county
so
to
some
degree
we're
constrained,
but
I
think,
like
I
said
this
bill
is
crafted
so
that
if
you
have
a
great
functioning
library
board
like
it
sounds
like
you're
doing
warren
county,
they
can
just
accept
the
status
quo
and
continue
as
is,
and
continue
to
offer
great
programming.
K
I
guess
my
thinking
is
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
over
politicization
argument
in
in
my
home
community.
We
don't
even
have
a
library
board
and
it's
fully
controlled
by
the
metro
council
you're,
not
saying
that
this
should
be
fully
controlled
by
fiscal
courts.
You're
saying
it
should
be,
it
should
be
library,
boards
working
with
fiscal
council.
So
my
friends
on
the
other
side
of
the
aisle
here
who
are
complaining
about
over
politization,
I
I
don't
think
they
make
the
argument
when
that
crook
applies
to
louisville,
and
so
I
don't
understand
the
difference
here.
K
L
Representative,
I
think
your
point
is
well
taken.
I
mean
this
is
not
about
politics.
This
is
about
accountability
for
taxpayer
dollars
again.
This
is
not
a
democratic
republican
party.
I
got
a
democrat
judge
sitting
next
to
me.
I
have
a
republican
judge
in
lawrence
county
that
has
problems.
This
is
really
in
both
cases.
It's
an
issue
of
you
know
unaccountability
for
taxpayer
dollars
which
have
been
collected
in
extremely
large
amounts.
A
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
ask
the
judge
from
hazard
from
perry
county
a
question.
He's
drove
an
awful
long
distance,
not
to
speak
yet
a
former
rep
judge
you've
made
an
effort
to
come
here
this
morning.
So
evidently
you
either
like
the
bill
or
don't
like
it.
I
assume
you
like
it.
So
could
you
tell
me
the
reasons
why
you
support
the
bill
and
why
it's
important
to
you
as
a
judge.
D
Yeah
when
I
was
elected
back
in
2014,
I
realized
really
quick,
as
a
lot
of
counties
was
back
then
that
we
was
in
a
financial
crisis,
and
so
when
I,
when
I
looked
at
the
tax
rates
and
and
and
seen
where
the
money
was
going,
you
know
without
with
any
new
judge,
you
don't
want
to
raise
a
tax.
So
I
reached
out
to
the
library
and
went
and
met
with
them
and
said
hey.
D
Why
don't
we
switch
rates
for
two
or
three
years
and
let
us
get
back
on
our
feet
and
catch
our
breath
and
then
we'll
switch
back
out.
Our
rate
currently
for
the
county
is
.108
on
property
and
for
the
library
is
.164,
I'm
absolutely
not
against
libraries.
They
serve
a
good
role
in
the
community,
but
they're
sitting
right
now
on
7.8
million
dollars,
as
we
try
to
reinvent
ourselves
without
putting
the
tax
burden
on
the
citizens.
D
And
so
when
I
looked
at
the
process
of
how
this
worked,
I
I
think
it's
actually
political
in
in
the
other
direction.
You've
got
a
board,
that's
self-contained.
That
sends
me
two
names
and
therefore
I
have
to
continually
pick
from
the
board.
That's
sending
me
two
names
to
to
choose
from,
and
so
there's
really
no
process
of
accountability
for
the
local
taxpayers,
and
so
that
that's
that's
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
and
as
we
try
to
tear
down
the
walls
in
east
kentucky
and
appalachia,
you
know
I'm
about
results.
D
I
I
don't
get
into
politics
on
any
level,
I'm
always
about
results
and
what's
good
for
my
community,
and
I
think
the
library
plays
an
important
role
and
I
think
they're
even
capable
of
playing
a
bigger
role,
but
I
think
they've
got
to
get
out
of
that
comfort
zone.
That
they've
been
in.
You
know
for
forever.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
decker.
E
Yes,
thank
you
senator
wheeler.
Thank
you
for
your
thoughtful
approach
to
addressing
a
problem.
You
saw
it
actually
surprised
me
because
I'm
from
shelby
county,
we
have
a
wonderful
library
board
system.
It
is
beloved
in
our
county
offers
so
much
to
our
county,
but
I
do
think
that
you
have
research
there.
That
would
help
us
all.
Would
it
be
possible
for
us
to
get
copies
of
that
of
the
documents
that
you're
looking
at
that?
Have
all
the
research
that
you
compile.
L
I've
got
the
well
the
the
the
reserves
and
tax
forms.
I
think
I
have
provided
it
to
representative
miller.
What's
that?
Oh
sorry,
yeah.
L
The
the
the
sheep
with
the
reserves
and
the
tax
rates-
yes,
I
think
I
have
provided
it
to
representative
miller,
so
he
he
can
get
that
to
you
as
far
as
the
other
article
about
I
can
send
you
a
link
to
the
one
that
basically
discusses
the
various
aspects
of
the
bill.
So
I
which
talks
about
the
position
about
how
much
reserves
they
should
have
so
that
I
can
send
you
a
link
to
that.
Thank.
E
A
A
H
G
G
G
G
I
think
that
probably
you
have
been
listening
to
are
a
moment
in
time
at
the
end
of
a
fiscal
year
and
as
you
all
will
know,
our
fiscal
year
ends
at
the
end
of
june,
but
we
have
to
get
to
the
end
of
the
the
calendar
year.
So
you're,
looking
at
your
reserves,
plus
the
money
it
takes
to
get
to
the
end
of
the
year
before
new
tax
dollars
come
in.
G
I
do
say
I
would
say
that
some
of
those
are
people
who
have
building
funds
in
the
accounts.
At
those
times.
G
E
G
A
year
I
do,
as
as
representative
mentor
said,
I
live
in
a
great
district.
We
have
a
wonderful
relationship
with
our
current
county
judge
and
fiscal
court.
Our
tax
rate
is
low.
We
are
just
3.9
cents,
I
mean
we
are
very
low,
we're
very
responsible,
but
let
me
tell
you,
but
what
I
want
to
tell
you,
is
that
there
is
no
library
board
that
I
know
that
is
setting
out
to
do
anything
but
help
their
communities
and
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
situation
in
lawrence
county.
G
But
what
I
can
say
is
that,
15
years
ago
what
libraries
looked
like
when
that
original
building
was
built,
looked
very
different
in
warren
county.
You
know,
I
cannot
build
enough
meeting
room
space
to
meet
the
demands
of
my
community.
I
can't
build
enough
study
rooms
to
meet
the
demands
in
my
community.
G
We
can't
get
out
to
enough
places
to
meet
all
the
demands
of
the
people
in
my
community.
We
are
asked
continuously
to
add
things
to
our
plates
and
we
welcome
those
things
we
work
with
workforce
development
committees.
We
work
with
schools,
come
to
my
school
system
and
see
what
they
say
about
our
library.
G
There
is
no
library,
I
know
that
wants
anything
more
than
to
work
from
with
a
school
system,
but
we
also
have
become
the
daytime
home
for
our
homeless
population
and
that
consists
of
a
lot
of
people
with
addiction
problems
with
mental
illness
problems.
So
a
building
that
was
a
good
library
building
15
years
ago
may
not
service.
G
I
can
turn
it
over
to
a
school
system
or
we
can
turn
over
our
bill.
Your
you
can
take
our
buildings,
we've
been
saving,
for.
I
spoke
to
a
librarian
who's
been
saving
for
20
years
for
a
building
so
that
money's
in
her
reserves,
but
she's
not
of
the
type
that
would
go
and
bond
for
it.
She
wants
to
save
for
that
money
or
save
for
that
building.
G
So
I
I
challenge
the
fact
that
we
have
too
much
money
in
our
reserves,
because
you're
looking
at
a
moment
in
time-
and
you
don't
know
what
those
balances
are.
I
would
like
to
introduce
our
board
president
gayla
warner,
who
is
a
small
business?
I
don't
know
how
small
her
business
is
welcome.
Ms
warner
did.
H
I
I
will
just
say
that
I'm
very
sorry
for
what
has
happened
in
a
couple
of
counties
in
in
the
commonwealth.
H
H
H
H
It's
that
important
and
then
currently
for
our
other
position.
It's
wherever
we
see
the
opportunity
for
the
most
growth
in
warren
county.
We
recently
took
over
the
capital
theater
our
downtown
capital
arts
building.
So
now
we
have
a
hospitality
guru
from
western
kentucky
university
on
our
board,
because
that's
where
we
need
his
expertise
so
yeah
the
boards
are
very
calculated
to
serve
the
best
that
we
can
serve
the
communities.
H
Our
role
as
board
members
are
just
to
drive
forward
the
mission
of
libraries.
We
are
very
busy
people,
we
don't
have
a
dog
in
the
fight.
Besides
improving
our
communities
and
again,
I'm
sorry
for
the
communities
that
have
let
things
get
out
of
control,
but
I
don't
think
it
speaks
to
the
commonwealth
in
any
way.
Thank
you.
A
I
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
I
would
like
to
thank
ms
rice
and
ms
warner
for
being
here
today
and
I
want
to.
I
want
to
begin
by
emphasizing
what
you
have
just
testified.
I
I
can
remember
when
it
was
a
struggle
to
get
that
tax
revenue
in
the
time
I've
lived,
I
mean
you
know,
gala's
nodding.
It
was
a
huge
political
battle
to
raise
just
a
tiny
amount
of
tax
rate
to
pay
for
what
is
for
my
money,
the
best
public
library
system
in
the
state
and
during
this
covet
19
pandemic.
You
have
delivered
over
and
over
again
libraries,
as
you
have
pointed
out,
do
so
many
things
beyond
providing
books.
You
are
the
internet
provider.
You
are
an
internet
provider
for
children.
I
I
mean
people
sitting
in
the
parking
lot
during
covid
who
did
not
have
access,
because
we
don't
have
broadband
in
every
part
of
my
county
yet
and
that's
hopefully,
changing
really
soon.
But
you
know
that's
where
you
put
a
lot
of
that
money.
The
outreach
programming
you
do
is
second
to
none.
They
are
also
master
fundraisers.
You
all
do
an
outstanding
job
of
raising
money.
I
The
book
fest
was
just
this
past
weekend,
but
those
are
things
that
would
not
have
been
possible
without
the
autonomy
that
currently
exists
for
your
very
well-balanced
board,
as
you
just
testified,
ms
warner
to
do
transformative
things
again.
I
I
am
sorry
that
other
places
are
having
difficulty
and
I
hope
that
leadership
in
those
counties
can
work
it
out.
But
what
you've
testified
to
ms
rice
is
the
concern
that
I've
been
hearing
about.
This
has
been
one
of
the
top
five
bills
I've
heard
from
constituents
about
it's
like.
I
Please
don't
mess
up
a
good
thing
we
have
most
of
our
counties.
Have
library
systems
that
are
functioning
very
well
and
to
think
of
the
reserves
that
you
have
built
up
is
somehow
misusing
the
taxpayer
dollars.
If
the
pandemic
has
taught
us
nothing,
it
has
taught
us
that
so
many
things
can
happen.
Unexpectedly,
we
just
had
a
tornado
for
crying
out
loud.
The
tornado
came
within
four
blocks
of
the
main
branch
of
the
public
library.
I
This
could
be
a
much
different
conversation
had
it
moved
four
blocks
in
one
other
direction,
so
I
I
hear
you
and
I
see
you-
I
thank
you
publicly
for
the
great
work
that
you
do
and
I
ask
the
members
of
this
committee
not
to
do
anything
that
will
harm
the
very
functional
work
and
very
functional
boards
that
exist
in
our
state.
You
know
in
an
attempt
to
fix
a
problem
that
exists
in
a
few
places,
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
and
I
would
say
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
plan
for
where
our
outreach
growth
and
we-
and
I
will
say
we
do
it
on
a
shoestring
in
warren
county,
it's
hard
to
plan
if
at
some
point
a
hand-picked
board
comes
you've,
been
saving
for
a
specific
cause
and
a
hand-picked
board
by
a
judge
executive
comes
to
you
and
says
we
need
a
bulldozer,
we
need
a
and
those
are.
That
is
something
that
has
actually
happened
to
a
library
board
that
I'm
aware
of
so.
A
F
Representative
duplicy.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
a
couple
questions.
Please,
and
before
I
ask
my
questions,
I
first
want
to
say
fully
support
you
and
what
you
do
in
your
libraries.
A
lot
of
people
will
have
I've
heard
people
say
libraries
are
a
thing
of
the
past.
We
don't
need
them
anymore.
We
have
google,
that's
not
the
case.
F
You
you,
you
are
doing
more
than
you've
ever
done
and
and
you're
a
vital
part
of
our
communities
you're
a
vital
part
of
bringing
folks
who
who
need
to
get
from
the
lower
income
up
and
lower
education
up.
So
I
applaud
you
for
what
you're
doing
so.
F
My
question
to
you
is
this:
in
hardin
county,
our
board
in
elizabethtown,
our
our
our
library
operates
on
about
a
million
dollars
a
year.
That's
our
it's
our
operating
budget.
What
is
your
operating
budget
warren
county.
G
I
will
say
that
that
it
is
also
a
non-taxing
district
and
there
are
only
there
are
only.
I
think
there
are
12
counties
that
are
non-taxing
districts,
so
there
are
it's
more
there's
it's
less
than
the
118.
F
I'm
sure
my
librarian
would
love
to
have
your
your
budget,
I'm
sure.
G
F
N
F
And
to
hear
senator
wheeler's
comment
of
of
of
a
board
of
accounting
with
15
000
people,
I
think
with
seven
million
dollars,
hardin
county
is
120
with
a
million
dollar
operating
budget.
That
seems
just
totally
out
of
balance,
and
so
my
question
to
you
is
this:
knowing
that
no
nobody
wants
to
hurt
a
library
we
want.
L
G
I
I
will
say
that
that
is,
that
is
not
we.
What
we
are
concerned
about,
I
will
say
I
you
know
being
accountable,
is
something
that
I
I
question
the
definition
of.
Maybe
in
that,
once
we
are
established,
we
no
longer
have
the
ability
to
take
an
increase,
so
that
was
fixed
by
the
legislature
two
years
ago,
so
once
it's
established,
then
you're
sort
of
in
in
the
same
mode.
G
So
I
feel
like
that
accountability
piece
has
already
been
addressed
by
the
legislature,
and
I
will
say
that
when
that
when
that
bill
came
up,
library
said
and
had
what
we
thought
was
a
gentleman's
agreement
was
we
will
no
long.
We
will
not
fight
that
bill
at
all.
Take
the
take
away
our
ability
to
take
that
increase
money
is
really
not
what
we're
here
for.
G
However,
you
know
this
is
sort
of
a
it's
that
ripple
effect.
It's
that
butterfly
wings
flap
somewhere
across
the
world,
because
we're
seeing
you
know
influences
which
I
think
are
either
a
political
trend
or
generation.
What
I
call
generational
biases,
because
certainly
my
parents
told
me
not
to
read
certain
books,
but
if
you
have
a
hand-picked
board
right
now,
you're
talking
about
money
but
somewhere
down
the
road,
it
could
be
control
of.
What's
in
our
collections
or
what
neighborhoods
we
go
into.
G
G
A
F
G
F
To
get
a
taxing
authority
and
if
you
remember
why
they
didn't
get
why
they,
I
mean
a
taxing
taxing
district
for
a
library.
If
the
reason
it
did
not
go
through
was
because
my
community
had
a
big
uprising,
saying
we
don't
want
a
non-elected
board,
taxing
us,
we
we
wanted
to
be
accountable
to
the
taxpayer.
You
can
read
the
newspapers,
it
was
all
over
the
place.
A
F
Was
in
effect
three
years
ago,
I
would
have
one
in
my
county:
it's
really
important
that
we
offer
the
the
voters,
the
accountability
of
who
taxes
them
and
and
and
if
they
do
books
that
they
don't
like
the
voter
can
can
can
take
care
of
that.
So
that's
what
the
voting
booth
is
for.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
bratcher
you're,
going
to
get
the
last
word
well.
E
That
was
what
what
representative.
D
G
A
Thank
you
very
much,
ladies
speaker.
Thank
you
or
the
speaker,
the
senator
wheeler.
If
you
come
back
to
the
table,
if
you
want
any
final
comments,
but
we
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
in
a
second
on
the
bill,
as
amended
by
the
committee
sub.
L
I
I
just
want
to
clarify:
I
am
in
no
way
an
enemy
of
libraries.
In
fact,
some
of
my
fondest
memories
are
going
to
the
carnegie
library
in
downtown
lexington.
When
I
was
a
kid-
and
you
know,
I
think
they
form
perform
a
very
important
function
in
our
community,
but
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
we're
all,
especially
when
you
have
taxing
authority.
I
think
everybody
should
be
accountable.
I
mean
we
have
taxing
authority,
we
have
the
ability
to
be
recalled.
L
I
think
that
you
know
this
bill
lets
libraries
continue
to
function
well
that
are
already
functioning
well,
but
in
those
cases
right
now
we
have
no
relief
valve
no
relief
mechanism
when
a
library
board
does
not
function
well
and
to
allow
them
to
continue
to
collect
taxes
and
not
function.
Well
is
just
irresponsible.
L
A
Okay,
thank
you
senator
madam
secretary.
Please
call
the
roll.
K
E
A
E
E
A
I
I
want
to
thank
exec,
you
know
director
rice
and
board,
chair
warner
for
coming
and
giving
this
compelling
testimony
and
showing
the
amazing
things
we're
doing
in
warren
county,
but
that's
not
unique.
There
are
plenty
of
other
library
boards
throughout
the
state
and
senator
wheeler
referenced.
My
former
student
lindsey
westerfield
who's
doing
transformative
things
in
russell
springs.
I
would
never
presume
to
speak
for
her,
but
she
can
do
that
because
she
has
a
strong
library
board.
They've
been
able
to
build
up
money
that
have
allowed
her
to
create
some
really
amazing
facilities.
I
I
keep
up
with
her
fairly
closely
and
there
are
ways
to
solve
local
problems
that
do
not
involve
changing
policy
in
120
counties,
because
this
does,
as
executive
director
rice
pointed
out,
speak
to
a
camel's
nose
under
the
door
issue.
Again,
dysfunctional
government
can
be
dealt
with
at
the
ballot
box.
That's
what
we
should
do
at
the
ballot
box.
We
do
not
need
the
kentucky
general
assembly
getting
involved
in
the
operations,
and
this
is
speaking
ultimately
to
operations.
I
O
O
O
H
C
C
F
J
Explain
no
vote.
I
really
look
forward
to
digging
into
those
numbers.
I
think.
What's
going
on
locally,
there
there's
an
issue
and
then
we
can
kind
of
maybe
get
into
the
numbers
and
explain
why
that's
happening.
The
four
percent,
compensating
rate
should
never
have
resulted
in
the
kinds
of
surpluses
that
you're
talking
about
there.
So
there
you
know
the
way
that
our
presenters
from
warren
county
presented.
Perhaps
is
the
answer
and
just
like
to
find
out
for
sure.
So
for
now
I'm
a
no
no.
A
A
The
next
matter
before
us
is
going
to
be
senate
bill
133
senate
bill.
133
has
a
sub
on
it.
A
Q
I'm
representing
randy
bridges,
state
representative
from
the
third
district.
This.
P
Is
senate
bill
133
and
originally
this
bill
dealt
with
reorganization
of
the
cabinet
for
health
and
family
services,
but
the
language
for
that
bill
was
taken
and
put
in
another
reorg
bill
senate
bill
158,
which
senator
mike
nemes
presented
and
was
suddenly
passed.
P
Representative
brennan
approached
me
about
the
possibility
of
using
senate
bill
133
to
advance
his
measure,
which
is
dealing
with
the
clearinghouse
for
mapping
for
entire
state
and
it
caught
my
attention
because
it
gives
an
opportunity
to
really
bring
some
efficiencies.
The
process
in
state
government.
It's
surprising
how
many
people
rely
upon
mapping
various
agencies
throughout
our
state,
but
it's
a
very
disjointed
process,
very
efficient
process,
and
I
think
this
bill
is
an
opportunity
to
bring
that
all
under
one
umbrella
and
again
create
the
efficiencies
that
we
all
take
a
look
at
again.
P
This
is
his
bill,
so
I'll
defer
to
him
to
give
explanation
to
it.
If
I
could,
sir.
Q
Okay,
do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
adopt
the
committee
sub
first,
or
can
I
speak?
We
did
okay,
okay,
the
this
language
and
everything
come
out
of
a
special
task
force
for
pvas
back
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
due
to
covet
we've,
we've
pushed
it
back,
but
we
taken
a
deep
dive
in
what's
going
on
in
the
mapping
systems,
we
found
out
that
each.
J
Q
Well,
what
what
happened
was
there's
funding
for
the
cot
to
bring
all
state
mapping
under
one
one
roof
and
we
really
couldn't
run
the
bill
until
we
had
the
funding.
It
was
sort
of
a
cart
before
the
horse
or
the
chicken
and
the
egg,
and
we
got
this
late
notice
that
the
funding
was
available
and
basically,
what
we're
doing
we're.
Q
Adding
the
director
of
the
pba
office
offices
out
of
revenue
and
one
pva
nomination
appointed
by
the
governor
out
of
three
to
the
board
and
we've
worked
with
the
league
of
cities
in
caico.
They've
got
two
members
on
the
board:
we're
reducing
them
down
to
one
each
and
they're
agreeable,
so
it's
basically
just
making
efficiencies
to
keep
from
redundancy,
and
it
also
restricts
the
mapping
agencies
from
using
the
trademark
information.
All
the
all
the
mapping
companies
can
do
untrademarked
information.
Q
So
this
this
mapping
information
will
become
the
property
of
the
state
at
this
point,
rather
than
an
outside
agency
bill
to
have
us
pay
for
their
mapping
and
then
they
go
out
and
sell
it
to
other
entities.
So
it's
a
protective
measure
also,
but
it
it
it's
basically
just
to
reduce
redundancy
and
cost
saving
measures
very
good.
Thank
you,
representative.
A
And
you
touched
on
the
procurement
process.
Is
there
anything
else
you
needed
to
explain
to
the
committee
about
the
procurement
process
that
this
changes.
Q
H
Q
So
they
they
come
to
me
saying
we
need
to
get
this.
These
added
to
this
board
to
clt
right
and
a
current
statute
already
basically
says
that
everything
should
go
through
the
commonwealth
office
of
technology,
but
over
the
years
everyone's
sort
of
sprung
out,
but
this
will
it
requires
them
to
listen
to
all
state
agencies
and
meet
their
needs.
Yeah.
A
When
I
was
state
parks,
commissioner,
15
years
ago,
geocaching
was
a
big
was
just
starting
and
we
had.
We
started
that
process
of
gising
the
everything
we
had
and
I
know
from
personal
experience
this
is
going
to
be
a
good
change.
So
thank
you
any
other
questions.
E
E
C
C
J
A
Amendment
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
title
amendment
all
in
favor
signal
for
anything
I
a
oppose
like
sign.
Then
the
title
amendment
is
passed
very
good
last
matter
before
us
is
senate
bill
4.
A
Senator
west
we're
going
to
have
to
track
down
everybody
stand
at
ease.
We
have
to
track
down
senator
west.
A
A
Welcome
senator,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It
is
the
fifth,
as
I
said,
explained
earlier,
it's
the
57th
day.
Things
are
to
be
expected.
Yes,
I
I.
A
A
Totally
well
senate
bill
4
is
before
us,
so
you
have
the
floor.
Thank
you.
O
O
O
It
sets
up
a
system
where
those
are
organized
the
governor
has
to
for
an
executive
order
to
be
official,
has
to
go
to
the
secretary
of
state
and
be
filed
before
it's
effective
and
then
those
orders
they
have
to
fit
certain
categories
and
it
just
simply
a
way
for
us
to
track
the
orders
it.
It
allows
more
public
comment,
the
ability
of
the
public
to
comment
on
the
executive
orders,
and
so
it
it's
motion
on
the
bill.
A
O
As
chair
of
the
administrative
regs
committee,
I've
learned
something
new
every
day.
I
didn't
realize
that
either
and
we
did,
we
did
reach
out
to
the
governor's
office
and
they
had
they
had
some
changes
and
we
did
our
best
to
make
those
changes
for
them.
For
instance,
we
don't
automatically
require
them
to
report
all
executive
orders.
There
are
certain.
There
are
thousands
of
executive
orders
that
deal
with
cabinet
hiring
and
things
like
that
are
real
they're,
really
not
that
important.
O
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you
senator
for
bringing
this.
I
particularly
like
the
fact
that
there's
at
least
highlighted
that
we're
going
to
have
more
public
input
on
some
of
these,
so
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
I
think
it
does
exist
in
the
admin
when
you
first
write
an
administrative
reg
and
there
is
some
public
comment
periods
in
there.
That's.
E
O
O
We
as
a
general
assembly
in
the
interim
cannot
pursuant
to
lrc
versus
brown,
cannot
find
a
an
executive
order,
nolan
void.
We
can
find
it
deficient
and
that
and
that
sort
that's
sort
of
what
this
does.
It
does
not
extend,
purport
to
extend
or
make
make
them
null
and
void
the
committee
of
jurisdiction,
it's
kind
of
like
administrative
regs,
these
these
regs
will
go
or
these
executive
orders
will
go
to
that
committee
of
jurisdiction.
O
So
if
it's
a
if
it's
a
health
and
welfare
executive
order,
they
would
probably
go
to
that
committee
where
they
could
review
it
and
put
their
stamp
on
it.
Good,
bad,
whatever
part
of
the
bill
does
say
it's
kind
of
a
sunset
provision
for
these
executive
orders.
So
it's
90
days
upon
governor
leaving
office
that
the
orders
would
sunset
and
I
was
shocked
to
find
out
that
some
executive
orders
are
like
35
years
old.
You
know
there's,
and
so
the
the
legislative
branch
can
find
those
null
and
void.
O
J
Please
it
is
a
tough
committee,
so
currently
just
I'm
really
trying
to
learn
this
currently,
if
there's
an
admin,
if
there's
a
reg
or
an
executive
order-
and
we
don't
act
upon
it,
it
stays
into
place
as
far
as
the
way
I'm
trying
to
understand
it
stays
in
place
unless
some
type
of
affirmative
action
is
taken,
it
doesn't.
O
J
O
This
would
be
a
little
different,
it
would
it's
just
executive
orders
and
it
would.
It
would
be
at
the
end
of
the
governor's
term,
so
it
wouldn't
be
that
that
executive
order
would
be
allowed
to
stay
in
place.
As
long
as
the
governor
was
in
office.
A
Granted
seeing
no
other
questions,
madam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.