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A
Here
in
the
room,
everyone
please
put
their
telephones
on
mute
or
silence
when
you,
when
the
committee
members
and
the
and
the
ones
at
the
desk
talk,
please
make
sure
your
green
light
is
on,
because
people
at
home
are
listening
and
there's
there's
committee
members
listening
and
they
can't
hear
you
if
your
microphone's
not
on
so
please
make
sure
that's
on,
and
I
was
watching
one
the
other
day
and
two
or
three
of
them
didn't
have
it
on.
I
was
getting
frustrated,
so
we
got
to
make
sure
that
everybody
can
hear
us.
A
You
know
unless
you're
trying
to
keep
something
secret
or
something
I
don't
know,
but
I
I
would
suggest
you
speak
into
the
microphone.
Does
anybody
on
the
committee
have
a
special
guest?
I
think
representative
hevron
does.
A
I
F
Mr
chairman
members
committee,
thank
you
all
for
letting
us
have
house
bill
475
in
front
of
you
today
for
anybody
who
has
been
on
this
committee
for
more
than
the
last
couple
of
years.
This
is
not
an
unfamiliar
bill
by
the
actual
content
of
the
bill,
or
the
number
that
you
see
on
the
bill
in
front
of
you.
F
Obviously,
one
of
the
issues
that
we
have
talked
about
significantly
over
the
years
is
comprehensive.
Tax
reform
and
comprehensive
tax
reform
means
different
things
to
different
people,
but
there's
no
way
to
truly
do
comprehensive
tax
reform.
If
we
don't
address
the
local
side,
as
we
address
the
state
side
and
without
a
change
to
the
section
181
provisions
in
our
constitution
that
was
passed
in
1891,
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
any
kind
of
comprehensive
tax
reform
at
the
local
level.
F
These
restrictions
in
the
constitution
have
been
talked
about
for
well
over
two
and
a
half
decades.
I
have
a
report
here
in
front
of
me.
That
was
an
interim
report
from
1996
and
1997,
and
the
first
recommendation
of
the
task
force
that
met
in
96
97
was
to
create
more
flexibility
in
taxing
methods
for
local
governments
through
constitutional
amendment
and
statutory
changes.
F
If
we
want
to
remove
the
over-reliance
on
our
occupational
or
income-based
taxes
at
the
local
level,
this
is
a
move
we
must
make.
If
we
want
to
provide
more
flexibility
to
our
local
governments
in
setting
their
the
course
for
their
future.
This
is
a
change.
We
must
make
the
one
thing
that
has
changed
in
house
bill
475
from
the
previous
time.
F
This
change
would
not
just
lock
us
into
a
sales
tax,
but
it
would
open
up
other
options
right
now.
We
are
specifically
for
our
local
governments,
limited
to
occupational,
license
fees,
some
fees
and
property
taxes
for
the
funding
of
those
local
governments,
and
this
would
open
that
up
so
that
in
the
future,
we
don't
have
this
discussion
again.
F
If
new
types
of
taxes
become
the
thing
that
are
going
to
recruit
new
new
businesses
to
your
state
or
if
new
types
of
taxes
are
going
to
be,
what
are
needed
for
the
flexibility
in
local
government,
I
think
again
right
now.
We
think
about
sales
taxes,
often
because
that's
one
of
the
discussion
that
goes
on
around
the
nation
currently,
but
this
would
open
up
for
other
potential
opportunities.
If
those,
if
those
things
change
as
well
and
again,
it
doesn't
change
anything
just
because
of
this
going
on
the
ballot.
F
F
We
passed
house
bill
476
in
the
local
government
committee
yesterday
that
keeps
the
status
quo
and
ensures
that
every
county
city
or
other
local
government
can
continue
charging
any
of
the
taxes
or
fees
that
they're
authorized
to
do
in
statute
currently,
but
they
couldn't
expand
to
anything
new
until
we
actually
came
in
as
a
general
assembly.
Once
this
amendment
is
passed
and
ratified
on
the
ballot
by
the
voters
and
wrote
our
own
statutory
framework
for
the
new
types
of
taxes,
we'd
be
looking
at
at
this
time.
F
G
Okay,
can
you
all
hear
me?
Okay,
is
this
close
enough?
So
again
I
represent
commerce
lexington,
and
our
chamber
organization
represents
more
than
eighteen
hundred
members
across
all
sectors
and
all
business
sizes.
We
are
also
very
involved
in
economic
development
efforts,
not
only
in
lexington,
but
in
a
nine
county
region
that
includes
fayette
and
the
surrounding
counties,
and
our
mission
within
that
effort
is
really
to
attract
and
retain
jobs
in
central
kentucky.
G
Consultant
we've
been
working
with
this
person
since
july
to
look
at
comparison,
cities
and
regions
that
we
compete
against
for
jobs
on
a
regular
basis
just
to
determine
what
are
those
areas
that
our
strengths,
what
are
our
weaknesses
and
what
are
opportunities
for
us
to
improve
our
business
climate
and
from
a
business
climate
standpoint
in
a
public
policy
standpoint.
One
of
the
issues.
That's
been
flagged
at
the
top
of
the
list
is
our
local
tax
policy.
It
is
a
barrier
to
our
competitiveness.
G
You
know,
unlike
economic
development
efforts
in
other
cities
and
states,
kentucky
system
is
heavily
reliant
at
the
local
level
on
income
taxes
on
our
workers,
as
well
as
the
net
profit
taxes
on
businesses,
for
example,
the
city
of
lexington.
More
than
65
percent
of
the
local
revenues
come
from
payroll
taxes
and
business
net
profit
taxes.
G
I
Hi
everyone
again,
I'm
shelby
somerville
and
I'm
with
greater
louisville
inc.
We
represent
over
1800
businesses
in
the
greater
louisville
region.
It's
a
15-county
region
and
our
members
strongly
support
this
constitutional
amendment
as
well,
and
thank
representative
meredith
for
his
continued
leadership
on
this
issue.
I
As
has
already
been
stated,
kentucky's
constitution
is
very
overly
restrictive
with
the
types
of
taxes
that
cities
and
counties
have
the
right
to
levy
and
because
of
this,
our
local
tax
system
hasn't
changed
since
the
constitution
was
put
in
place.
So,
as
rep
meredith
has
said,
our
state
is
in
the
minority
when
it
comes
to
how
dependent
we
are
on
occupational
taxes
for
local
government
revenue.
Louisville
is
almost
60
percent
of
louisville.
I
Taking
this
first
step
and
passing
the
constitutional
amendment,
will
give
you
all
the
general
assembly
the
opportunity
to
rethink
and
recreate
the
way
that
local
tax
structures
work
in
the
commonwealth.
So
we
urge
the
general
assembly
to
pass
this
constitutional
amendment
and
let
the
voters
decide
on
this.
We
think
it's
you
know
it's
been
far
too
long,
and
this
will
make
kentucky
more
competitive
and
we're
very
supportive
of
this
issue.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
D
Jd
will
be
cleanup
right,
so
you
know,
I
think,
as
you
think
about
the
word:
tax
reform,
those
words
tax
reform,
as
chairman
meredith
said,
I
think
about
when
you
go
to
see
a
counselor
and
they
put
this
ink
blob
on
the
wall
and
they
ask
you,
you
know
what
what
do
you
see
that
people
see
different
things?
Sometimes
you
know.
Sometimes
you
see
a
butterfly.
D
Sometimes
you
see
the
flower
or
whatever,
and
I
think
that
that
is
an
evolving
idea
with
a
lot
of
folks
when
you
start
talking
about
tax
reform
in
kentucky.
I
think,
when
you
start
talking
talking
about
the
conversation
that
happens
after
a
constitutional
amendment,
it's
one
of
those
things
that
you
can't
even
really
begin
to
think
about
it
much
until
we
get
past
this
point,
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
conversation.
D
Yet
as
people
begin
to
ask
you
know
what
does
that
look
like
at
the
local
level
on
the
back
side
of
a
constitutional
amendment,
but
until
as
chairman
meredith
said,
unless
and
until
this
advances
you
know,
a
lot
of
those
conversations
are
academic.
They
really
are-
and
I
think
that
I
know
chairman
brancher's
been
to
simpson
county
and
you
know
we're
a
border
county.
D
Counties
on
the
far
east
and
west
may
see
a
different
kind
of
competitive
edge,
and
I
think
about
the
national
association
of
counties:
motto
that
when
you've
seen
one
county
you've
seen
one
county.
There
really
isn't
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
to
this.
What
we
support,
I
think
at
the
county
level-
and
I
think
jd
would
say
the
same
at
the
city
level-
is
that
we
trust
local
decision
makers
to
figure
out
the
local
level.
D
You
know
what
kind
of
tax
policy
works
best
for
their
county
and
I
think
most
counties
are
are
very
interested
in
economic
development.
We
were
in
simpson
county
and
as
a
result
of
that,
the
kind
of
focus
we
put
on
what
taxes
should
look
like
we're
very
much
reflective
of
that.
I
think
about
my
friend
judge
buchanan.
I
know
chairman
meredith
represents
warren
county
25
years
ago,
when
I
was
first
elected
judge.
D
He
started
talking
about
the
need
for
a
county
sales
tax,
that's
a
huge
that
would
be
a
huge
boom
to
warren
county
and
it
could
very
well
cause
a
decision
maker,
like
judge
buchanan,
to
have
no
reliance
on
an
income
tax.
You
move
over
to
allen
county,
which
is
primarily
a
community
where
people
are
moving
to
to
live,
not
as
much
job
creation
there.
You
know
the
kind.
The
kind
of
need
for
taxes
in
that
county
may
be
slightly
different.
D
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
the
legislature
knows
that
among
our
membership,
the
vast
majority
support
tax
policy
that
moves
towards
more
consumption-based
taxes.
I
think
that's
a
general
trend
across
the
state,
but
again
one
size
doesn't
fit
all
a
lot
of
that
conversation
is
academic
at
this
point.
D
Whatever
that
looks
like
so
it's
clear
that
that
works
in
a
lot
of
other
states
that
local
decision
makers
have
been
trusted
with
that
decision,
but
in
some
of
those
states
they
have
occupational
taxes
or
income
taxes,
some
of
them
they
don't
florida
has
a
local
gas
tax.
I
know
that's
a
tough
vote
to
take.
Sometimes
you
know
if
we
could
pass
a
tax
at
the
local
level
to
put
on
gas
to
fund
the
roads
and
bridges
in
our
county.
Some
counties
might
make
that
decision.
D
Indiana
has
a
food
and
beverage
tax.
I
don't
know
what
that
actually
how
that
works,
but
every
other
state
has
some
myriad
of
local
taxation
options
and,
as
chairman
meredith
said,
unless
and
until
this
constitutional
amendment
advances
we're
really
cornered
in
to
those
that
we
now
have,
and
we
can't
really
talk
about
that.
So
it's
for
that
reason
that
county
support
the
idea
to
move
this
conversation
forward.
So
we
can
talk
about
what
that
looks
like
at
the
county
level
and
so
jd.
If
you
want
to
wrap
up
with
the
city.
F
And
jim
mentioned,
my
judge
judge
mike
buchanan
down
in
warren
county,
and
I
think
when
they
did,
the
study
25
years
ago,
judge
buchanan's
estimations
of
if
he
could
put
a
one
percent
sales
tax
on
in
warren
county.
It
would
have
exceeded
his
current
receipts
from
both
his
property
tax
and
his
occupational
tax
by
over
a
million
dollars
at
that
time,
and
that
was
25
years
ago.
H
Chairman
bratcher
and
members
of
the
committee,
I
certainly
thank
chairman
meredith
for
carrying
this
legislation
and
being
a
champion,
it's
great
to
sit
here
both
with
their
county
counterparts
and
the
business
community
from
lexington
and
louisville,
and
the
businesses
that
they
represent.
We've
been
singing
this
song
for
an
awful
long
time.
As
chairman
meredith
pointed
out,
we've
talked
about
this
for
for
several
years
about
needing
to
modernize
and
in
fact
the
legislature
has
has
talked
to
us
about
what
are
you
going
to
do
to
change?
H
What
are
you
going
to
do
to
make
it
better
and
there's
a
few
key
points
here
in
in
cleaning
up,
not
cleaning
up,
because
they've
said
what
needs
to
be
said
already
one
the
language
before
you
and
the
amendment
to
181.
You
need
to
understand
legally
what
181
does
it's
not
a
restriction
directly
on
local
governments?
H
In
this
commonwealth
to
design
legislation
that
would
allow
local
governments
to
do
more
competitive
tax
code,
you
all
are
in
the
process
of
having
vigorous
discussions
right
now
about
the
way
the
state
tax
code
looks
and
you're
really
hands
off
with
regard
to
the
local,
because
your
power
has
been
restricted
by
the
way
181's
written.
And
so,
if
you
look
at
that
language,
all
it
says
at
this
point
is
that
the
general
assembly
will
have
the
power
to
be
able
to
authorize
local
governments
to
impose
any
type
of
tax,
not
inconsistent
with
that.
H
That's
not
inconsistent
with
the
constitution.
It
frees
you
all
to
have
the
police,
the
policy
debate
and,
of
course,
there's
all
kinds
of
stakeholders.
That'll
be
involved
in
that
city,
governments,
county
governments,
special
purpose,
governmental
entities,
the
business
community,
residential
residents
and
citizens
in
a
collaborative
effort
to
make
the
best
tax
code
for
for
local
governments.
H
My
counterpart
director,
henderson
from
caico,
said
it
very
well-
and
you
all
know
just
sitting
in
this
committee
that
one
of
the
biggest
advantages
in
this
state
is
the
fact
that
we
have
such
diversity
in
our
communities.
H
We
know
that
wycliffe
is
very,
very
different
on
the
mississippi
river
down
in
western
kentucky,
very,
very
different
than
elkhorn
city
representative
blatant
down
on
the
in
the
eastern
part
of
the
state.
It
is
a
great
advantage
for
this
commonwealth
to
have
such
diversified
communities,
but
because
they're,
so
diversified
their
tax
bases
are
very
different.
H
Louisville
may
be
able
to
leverage
one
type
of
tax
based
on
on
and
their
unique
capabilities
compared
to
berea.
For
example,
some
may
rely
more
on
insurance
premium
taxes
and
some
on
occupational
taxes,
but
creating
a
flexible
code
so
that
communities
and
local
governments
can
leverage
their
their
unique
assets
is
a
way
to
do
this,
because
the
commonwealth's
not
going
to
progress.
H
You've
heard
me
say
this
before
the
whole
is
only
as
great
as
some
of
its
parts
and
we've
got
to
invest
in
those
local
leaders
and
local
business
leaders
and
local
residents
to
decide
how
to
do
this.
So
all
we're
asking
with
this
constitutional
amendment
is,
for
you
all
to
free
yourselves,
to
preside
over
the
policy
dialogue
about
what
the
local
tax
code
looks
like.
H
This
will
not
create
a
wild
west
of
local
government
taxation.
I
want
to
point
to.
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
this
with
476
that
chairman
meredith
passed
out
of
his
committee
yesterday.
If
the
voters
approve
this,
the
status
quo
remains
the
same.
It
doesn't
harm
anybody,
but
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
out
and
say:
well,
let's
go
put
that
gas
tax
on
to
fund
our
local
roads,
which
we
need
by
the
way,
but
it's
not
going
to
happen
without
statutory
authorization
from
the
general
assembly,
so
it
preserves.
H
It
preserves
the
rights
of
the
general
assembly
to
do
that,
and
this
just
didn't
and
the
last
point
I
make
it's
not
just
happenstance
that
we're
here
doing
this
bill.
H
F
And
jd
mentioned
this
is
not
happenstance.
I
have
with
me
this
large
binder
that
you
find
me
with
quite
often
that's
the
product
of
three
years
of
research,
about
every
city
and
county
government
in
kentucky
and
peers
across
our
nation,
from
both
internal
documentation
from
our
department
of
local
government,
from
koc
from
caico
and
outside
groups
that
we
worked
with
in
in
crafting
this
legislation.
F
I'm
also
proud
that
the
bill's
bipartisan
we
have
36
republican
co-sponsors
on
this
bill
and
five
democratic
co-sponsors
on
this
bill.
As
you
see
it
before
you
right
now,
and
I
want
to
finish-
we
had
another
presenter
who
I
hoped
could
be
here,
but
he
had
a
conflict
and
wasn't
able
to.
We
presented
this
bill
in
the
interim
in
the
local
government
committee
and
one
of
the
presenters
that
was
there
that
day
and-
and
we
wanted
to
be
here
with
us
today-
is
a
gentleman
named
carter.
F
Hendrix
from
hopkinsville
carter
is
a
former
professor
at
southwestern
kentucky
or
hopkinsville
community
college
he's
the
former
ceo
of
the
chamber
in
hopkinsville,
he's
the
former
mayor
of
hopkinsville
and
he's
now
an
economic
developer
in
hopkinsville,
and
just
to
give
you
a
very,
very
stark
situation,
kind
of
the
tale
of
two
cities,
I
would
say
in
1970,
hopkinsville
kentucky
and
clarksville
tennessee
were
essentially
the
same
size
with
about
25
000
people
living
in
both
those
communities.
F
F
F
We
all
know
that
we
have
a
workforce
problem
in
kentucky
that
we
have
to
address,
and
this
is
about
recruiting
people
to
come
here
to
take
good
paying
jobs
and
we
have
this
photo.
That
will
be
a
little
hard
to
see,
but
the
state
line
is
right
here,
kind
of
in
the
middle
and
above
that
state
line,
you
see
christian
county
in
hopkinsville
and
there's
very
little
development
in
that
area.
F
F
But
people
have
consistently
chosen
to
live
in
tennessee
due
to
the
tax
code
and
the
advantages
that
they
see
there,
and
I
wish
carter
could
have
been
here
to
share
that
story
himself.
It's
a
very
compelling
story.
F
When
you
see
all
the
things
that
he's
worked
in
over
the
years
again,
I'm
glad
to
have
bipartisan
support
of
this
bill
through
co-sponsorships,
I'm
glad
to
have
chambers
who
are
supporting
this
bill
around
the
state,
I'm
glad
to
have
caico
and
klc
supporting
this
bill
and
I'm
glad
to
have
economic
developers
supporting
the
bill
as
well,
because
they
see
that
this
is
a
transition
to
the
future.
For
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
that's
all
the
remotes.
I
have.
A
I
got
a
motion
on
the
bill
by
representative
blanton
and
the
second
by
representative,
derrick
lewis.
Now
we
have
four
people
who
want
to
speak,
but
we
have
another
speaker.
So
do
we
want
to
miller
weber
blanton
nemes?
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
the
table
now
or
do
you
want
to
wait
till
the
presentation
is
over?
J
And
I'll
preface
this
for
everybody
on
camera.
I
am
a
co-sponsor
of
this
bill.
However,
I'm
not
going
to
be
around
after
december
31.
So
when
this
will
happen,
I'm
trying
I'm
trying
to
speak
for
my
constituents,
my
jefferson
county
constituents,
particularly
because
there
is
very,
very
little
trust
in
louisville
metro
government
right
now,
and
so
I'm
going
to
speak
as
if
I
was
one
of
my
constituents.
J
H
So,
first,
chairman
miller,
I
I
really
appreciate
that
that
question,
because
it
seems
to
be
the
most
common
question
if
we
pass
this,
a
lot
of
people
say
if
we
pass
this
constitutional
amendment,
city
and
county
governments
are
going
to
go,
go
absolutely
crazy
and
enact
all
types
of
taxes,
and
let
me
just
be
very
very
clear:
absolutely
not!
That
cannot
occur
with
this
language
and
that's
why
looking
at
the
language
is
important.
H
H
H
H
F
E
E
Is
it
a
fair
assessment
to
say
you
know,
I'm
now
in
my
10th
year
in
the
legislature
and
over
those
10
years,
I've
I've
sensed
that
county
and
local
and
city
governments
there
there's
a
greater
expectation,
there's
more
responsibility
that
more
expectation
from
the
the
folks
that
they
represent
for
services
and
for
local
governments
to
do
things,
and
one
of
the
things
I
see
with
the
proposal
before
us
is,
is
I
meet
with
local
officials
and
many
times
I
don't
have
the
answer
because
they're
coming
to
us
for
the
answer.
E
I
see
this
as
giving
them
some
of
the
tools
that
they
need
to
better
serve
their
local
communities
and
is.
Is
that
a
fair
assessment
that
local
governments
have
had
greater
expectations
from
their
constituents
from
the
responsibilities
they
have?
Have
we
seen
an
increase
in
that
over
the
last
say
the
10
years
that
I've
been
here.
D
So
yes,
the
short
answer-
and
if
I
could
answer
representative
miller
too
in
that
in
your
question-
I
I'm
maybe
still
a
hopeless
romantic
and-
and
I
tell
my
folks
back
at
the
office
all
the
time
whether
I
like
the
outcome
or
not.
I
still
believe
that
the
voters
always
get
it
right.
D
I
I
believe
in
the
system
and
to
your
question
about
how
how
to
promise
that
it
doesn't
become
something
that
people
wouldn't
want,
and
I've
said
this
before
to
legislators,
and
I
hope
it's
always
received
in
in
the
right
way
is
the
same
folks
who
vote
you
for
you
all
to
be
entrusted
to
make
good
policy.
D
They
had
a
mechanism
to
take
care
of
that
and,
and
they
would
have
voted
me
out
and
so
again,
I
think
that
it's
incumbent
upon
people
like
county
judges,
mayors,
legislators
and
others
to
convince
the
electorate
that
that
we
share
your
views.
We
share
your
your
values.
We
share
the
kinds
of
tax
policies
that
we
think
is
good
for
our
state
and
for
me
again,
a
county
that
was
involved
in
economic
development.
D
I
I
wasn't
going
to
make
policy
at
the
local
level
that
was
going
to
run
business
out
of
our
county
and
so
again
that's
the
assurance
that
I
could
give
as
a
former
county
official
and
again
that
that
most
of
our
county
officials
have
that
same
basic
viewpoint.
But
representative
weber,
there's
no
question
that
that
the
demands
on
counties
is
growing
and
cities.
I'm
sure
would
answer
the
same
way
and
and
right
now
we're
we're
just
about
at
the
cap
of
what
our
options
are
at
the
local.
E
F
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
my
question
is
probably
for
director
henderson,
I'm
from
louisville,
so
this
may
seem
odd
coming
from
me,
but
here
in
kentucky
we
have
very
a
lot
of
diversity
among
our
counties.
We
have
some
of
the
richest
counties
and
some
of
the
poorest
counties,
in
fact
some
of
the
poorest
counties
in
the
entire
united
states.
K
What
guard
rails
are
in
place
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
increase
that
gap
between
those
counties
that
have
considerable
wealth
and
those
counties
that
are
really
really
struggling
and
again
are
in
the
lowest
economic
state
of
the
entire
united
states.
My
fear
is
that
we
could.
This
could
be
used
to
much
advantage
of
larger,
more
wealthy
counties,
at
the
detriment
of
some
of
our
smaller,
less
wealthy
counties.
D
I
do
appreciate
that
question
coming
from
a
resident
of
the
largest
county
in
the
state
and
that's
a
that's
a
legitimate
concern.
I
mean
we
still
have
this.
D
We
we
do
have
this
growing
divide
that
that
exists
all
throughout
the
country
by
the
way
between
the
rural
and
urban,
and
so
that's
not
unique
to
kentucky
half
of
our
counties
lost
population
in
the
last
census.
That's
real!
It's
a
fact.
D
D
We
study
that
as
best
we
can.
The
information
is
hard
to
get
on
a
county-by-county
basis
on
sales.
But
surprisingly,
every
county
in
the
state
would
benefit
in
a
pretty
significant
way
if
they
had
the
ability
to
levy
a
county-wide
one
percent
sales
tax,
and
I'm
just
using
that
for
an
example,
and
so
some
of
those
smaller
counties
are
also
counties
that
don't
have
much
industry
or
business
so
they're
not
already
not
overly
reliant
in
some
cases
on
an
occupational
tax
property
taxes
in
some
of
those
counties.
D
Representative
blanton
represents
a
couple
of
those
counties
in
some
of
those
counties.
They
are
at
the
max
right
now
on
what
they
can
even
charge
on
property
tax,
so
you're
already
seeing
this
huge,
disproportionate
burden
on
some
people.
In
some
of
these
counties.
On
the
property
side,
I
mean,
if
you're
in
some
of
those
counties
that
the
property
values
are
declining,
then
the
rates
are
cl
are
going
up
property
tax
rates.
D
You
actually
could
provide
some
relief
to
those
folks
who
are
now,
in
some
cases,
hostages
in
their
own
county,
because
they
can't
leave
the
property
they
can't
sell
and
and
and
that's
their
home,
with
shifting
some
of
that
burden
away
from
property
to
some
level
of
consumption,
because
I
think
we
all
recognize.
There
are
folks
who
are
in
the
system
who
aren't
paying
many
property
taxes
they're,
not
paying
a
lot
of
income
taxes
or
any
insurance
taxes.
They
deal
in
a
currency,
that's
not
often
taxed,
and
so
in
in
some
parts
of
the
world.
D
I
think
consumption
tax,
actually
taxes
a
whole
new
group
of
folks
who,
who
are
kind
of
off
the
radar.
So
again,
I
think
I
I
share
that
concern
about
the
overall
rural
urban
divide
in
our
in
our
state.
This,
I
think,
perhaps
even
helps
that
more
than
you
might
think
by
shifting
some
of
those
current
taxes
around,
I
think
it
could
and.
F
F
The
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is,
and
we
don't
think
we
think
about
retail
centers
places
like
louisville
lexington,
bowling
green,
where
folks
come
to
shop,
but
I
think
you
also
have
to
think
about
the
proliferation
of
what
I
would
call.
The
dollar
general
effect
today
think
about
how
many
small
communities
now
have
a
dollar
general
or
multiple
dollar
generals.
I
have
two
of
them
in
a
family
dollar
in
edmondson
county
today,
and
many
of
those
transactions.
F
A
You
know
when
you
think
of
tourism
and
the
bourbon
trail
and
there's
so
many
areas
that
smaller
counties
could
be
creative
and
find
ways
to
capture
with,
with
some
with
some
flexibility,
representative,
blanton.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
all
for
presenting
today.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
a
couple
questions,
but
in
a
form
of
a
statement-
and
you
tell
me
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly.
First
of
all,
this
is
the
first
step
in
a
process
that
will
put
it
in
the
decision-making
hands
of
the
citizens
of
the
commonwealth
they're
the
ones
going
to
decide.
Yes,
we
want
this
and
let's
say
that
they
say
yes,
we
do
want
this.
C
F
C
So
I
come
from
an
area
that,
even
though
they
we
have
occupational
taxes,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
occupations,
necessarily
they're,
raising
insurance
taxes
and
that's
sitting
on
a
certain
group
of
people
as
well.
As
pointed
out
by
judge
henderson
henderson,
I
come
from
an
area,
that's
statutorily.
C
We
are
maxed
on
our
property
taxes,
maxed
can't
go
any
higher
by
statute
and
we're
feeling
the
effects
of
it.
So
I
can
see
the
potential
of
this
lowering
property
taxes
in
some
of
those
counties
which
be
a
huge
benefit
in
dispersing
this
tax
over
a
much
broader
group
of
people
number
wise
to
help,
carry
the
load,
and
also
I
see
it
as
a
benefit
of
my
counties-
are
mostly
or
or
not
mostly,
but
have
a
lot
of
pass-through
individuals
that
stop
and
they
use
our
convenient
marts
they
stop
and
eat
they
come
visit.
C
They
come
to
one
of
our
local
colleges,
so
some
of
our
taxes
that
we
would
then
be
able
to
raise
for
our
budgets
within
our
counties
will
be
from
people
outside
our
counties,
and
it
will
help
take
away
some
of
the
burden
of
the
local
people
to
spread
that
tax
out
in
that
manner.
Would
that
be
an
accurate,
an
accurate
statement
on
my
part.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
presenting
this
bill
to
us
I'll
frame.
My
questions
with.
I
come
from
an
area
where
northern
kentucky
a
lot
of
the
local
officials
are
for
this
and
I've
trusted
their
opinions
in
the
past
and
I'll
certainly
weigh
in
with
them
again
on
this
issue.
L
But
I
do
have
some
really
twenty
thousand
foot
questions
and
representative
meredith
you
and
I
have
talked
already,
and
I
I
might
reserve
a
few
more
of
these
detailed
questions
for
later.
But
so
we
are
looking
to
change
we're
looking
to
give
the
opportunity
for
the
voters
to
decide
if
they
want
to
have
a
local
sales,
tax
or
local
taxes,
more
control
on
the
local
end
to
tax.
L
If
anybody
can
answer
this
question
on
this
panel
is
and
the
gentleman
on
to
the
far
right
of
the
way
I'm
looking
talked
about
a
certain
currency.
That's
not
been
taxed
yet
or
is
not
taxed
very
much.
D
Can
I
answer
the
currency
question
I
want
to
make
sure
I
was
clear,
sometimes
not
speaking
riddles
unintentionally,
I
was
trying
to
be
coy.
I
was
talking
about
cash.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
cash
that
floats
around
in
in
lots
of
communities
and
people
who
deal
in
cash
still
have
to
buy
things.
You
know
and
right
now,
they're
kind
of
off
the
radar
that
I
hope
that
was
what
was
obvious
in
my
comment.
I
wasn't
talking
about
like
cryptocurrency
or
anything
like
that.
D
I
don't
understand
all
that,
but
but
I
just
think
that
there
are
consumers,
I
think,
to
represent
blanton's
point
even
that
that
are
not
even
kentuckians.
D
You
know
that
they're
that
are
traveling
and
doing
things
and-
and
I
think
about
lee
county,
you
know
a
small
rural
county,
it's
got
natural
bridge
and
all
that
I
mean
the
folks
who
come
in
there
from
ohio
and
indiana,
and
you
know
they're
coming
in
there
and
they're
they're,
just
they're
spending
a
lot
of
money,
they're
not
paying
a
lot
of
kentucky
taxes
other
than
a
sales
tax,
so
for
the
locals
that
that
could
be
a
big
boom.
So
again,
currency,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
what
I
was
talking
about.
There.
F
And
I
would
just
say,
representative
wheatley
and
I
agree
with
gm-
that
cash-based
economy
can
go
in
different
directions.
It
may
be
folks
who
are
working
directly
for
cash
and
off
the
records
of
of
payroll
records
or
1099
records,
not
being
federal
government,
for
whatever
reason
it
could
be
folks.
Take
the
cash
directly
issue
out.
It
may
be
people
who
are
very,
very
wealthy,
but
are
not
working
and
paying
an
occupational
or
an
income
tax,
but
they're
buying
products
still
they're
still
participating
in
the
economy.
F
F
F
L
And
that
gets
to
this
next
question,
which
is
guard
rails,
that
the
current
constitutional
or
section
181
has-
and
I
just
want
to
be
sure
about
this,
so
when,
if
this
does
pass,
the
voters
pass
it
and
we
have
the
ability-
and
even
if
I
know
476
would
give
us,
would
would
put
any
pause
for
anything
happening
right
away.
We
then
would
have
to
pass
more
legislation
to
change
or
have
the
ability
for
local
taxes
to
go
into
effect,
but
is
there
any
other
guard
rails
within
the
current
section
181
or
any
anything
else?
L
F
F
With
regards
to
occupational
licenses,
there
was
some
there
was,
I
think,
a
small
amendment
to
the
constitution
right
around
the
turn
of
the
century
that
provided
the
language
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
today
that
again,
we
consider
a
barrier
now,
but
again
was
meant
to
be
flexible
in
a
way
that
we're
trying
to
provide
new
flexibility.
Today,.
H
So,
just
to
supplement
the
guard
rails
now
say:
general
assembly
can
only
do
one
two
three
ad
valorem
taxes,
franchise
fees,
occupational
fees.
You
can't
consider
anything
else.
That's
why
we're
not
part
of
a
bigger
dialogue
on
state
state
tax
reform,
which
is
an
important
component
guard
rails.
The
guard
rails,
like
you're,
saying
the
general
assembly
passing
a
bill
that
says
simpson.
H
County
can
do
a
sales
tax,
but
estell
county
can
or
others
that's
right
in
in
tandem
with
the
rest
of
the
constitution,
you
all
cannot
enact
special
or
local
local
legislation,
so
the
general
assembly
is
not
going
to
be
in
a
position
to
to
pick
winners
and
losers
and
and
favorites
with
regard
to
allowing
one
geographic
area,
perhaps
to
do
that
now.
H
There's
some
technical
stuff,
as
as
leader
jenkins,
knows,
with
consolidated
local
governments
being
being
a
different
type
of
government
and
urban
county
governments,
but
in
general
that
that
other
constitutional
provision
on
special
or
local
legislation
is
gonna.
Gonna
also
be
a
barrier
when
you're.
When
you
read
the
new
181,
when
the
voters
approve
it
in
conjunction
with
those
other
provisions,.
M
Thank
you
so
much
good
morning,
chairman
patrick
and
morning,
committee
members,
my
name
is
shannon
stiglitz
and
I'm
the
senior
vice
president
for
the
kentucky
retail
federation
senior.
Vice
president
of
government
affairs,
I
should
say
for
the
kentucky
retail
federation-
and
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
members.
I
don't
think
it's
any
secret,
where
the
kentucky
retail
federation's
concerns
lie
with
the
proposed
constitutional
amendment.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
chairman
meredith
for
continuing
to
meet
with
us
regarding
our
concerns
and
our
concerns
really
are
focused
around
the
the
sales
tax
potential.
M
We
see
right
now
that
the
constitution
is
a
constitutional
protection
for
taxpayers,
and
we
want
to
keep
that
as
it
is
sales
taxes
for
retailers
impact
consumers
behavior,
particularly
and
again,
I
I
recognize
the
general
assembly
will
have
to
have
its
say
over
how
it's
structured.
So
please
know
that.
I'm
I'm
not
saying
that
this
constitutional
amendment
automatically
authorizes
a
a
sales
tax
to
go
into
fact.
I
want
to
be
clear
on
that,
but
there
are
complexities
of.
If
you
have
city
a
has
a
sales
tax.
M
If
the
general
assembly
authorizes
it
and
city
b
does
not
consumers
shop
with
their
feet
and
so
how
that
impacts,
consumer
behavior
and
how
that
creates
an
unlevel
playing
field
for
our
members,
and
you
know
we
collect
today
2.3
billion
dollars
in
sales
tax
for
the
commonwealth,
and
we
employ
a
significant
number
of
kentuckians
in
jobs,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
our
consumers,
we
know
that
they
are
price
sensitive.
M
Every
one
percent
increase
in
the
cost
does
impact
their
spending
levels,
and
so
we
also
have
to
understand
that,
for
small
retailers
in
particular
the
complexities
of
collecting
a
sales
tax
is
it's
it's
complex
to
collect
the
state
sales
tax
today
and
for
doing
that
they
get
a
50
per
return.
That's
their
limit
on
the
collection.
M
A
F
I'll
make
one
yes
just
very
briefly
and
shannon,
and
I
have
continued
to
talk,
and
I
appreciate
the
dialogue
very
much.
I
understand
their
concerns
very
well,
but
if
you
talk
about
an
unlevel
playing
field,
we
have
communities
that
have
occupational
taxes.
We
have
communities
that
don't
have
occupational
taxes
that
already
creates
an
unlevel
playing
field
with
regard
to
job
creation
and
attraction.
We
have
communities
that
have
insurance
premium
taxes,
we
have
communities
that
don't
have
insurance
premium
taxes,
that's
already
an
unlevel
playing
field
created
by
the
tax
codes
that
we
already
have.
F
That
says
whatever
we
do
will
follow
the
base
that
the
state
sets
to
create
clarity,
and
it
will
be
administered
substantially
the
same.
What
that
means
is
those
returns
will
not
be
filed
individually
with
every
unit
of
local
government
across
the
state
that
has
one
of
these.
Those
returns
will
be
filed
to
the
department
of
revenue
in
frankfurt,
and
then
those
funds
will
be
dispersed
back
out
in
accordance
with
the
streamlined
sales
tax
agreement.
A
Do
you
have
a
question?
Oh
oh,
okay,
well,
bill
has
been
moved
and
seconded
madam
secretary.
Please
call
the
roll.
B
Representative
blanton
aye
representative
cantrell,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
going
to
cast
and
explain
a
yes
vote.
I'm
voting
yes
number
one,
because
I
told
you
I
was
going
to
vote
yes
and
some
of
the
proponents
of
this
bill,
and
I
want
to
keep
my
word
to
that.
B
The
second
reason
is
obviously
there
are
some
safeguards
in
place.
This
is
ultimately
going
to
go
to
the
voters,
who
are
the
the
ultimate
arbiters
of
everything
we
do
here,
including
our
ability
to
even
be
here
and
but
I
wouldn't
misunderstand
my
yes
vote
today
is
a
yes
vote
on
the
floor.
There's
still
a
lot
of
conversation
that
needs
to
take
place,
and
but
I
want
that
conversation
to
take
place
in
a
larger
on
the
larger
house
floor.
So
thank
you,
representative
fisher,
representative
gooch.
I
D
E
A
Thank
you.
I
I
share
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
the
retail
federation
has
had
this
morning.
I
don't
want
an
add-on.
I
don't
want
a
bunch
of
ad
on
additional
new
taxes.
I
appreciate
the
guardrails,
mr
chairman,
that
you
brought
to
this
this
bill.
You
and
I
have
talked
about
it
a
great
deal,
and
I
appreciate
that
I'm
voting
for
it
for
two
reasons.
A
One
because
working
families
who
are
property
owners
are
soaked
in
our
communities
and
they
need
more
options.
Our
cities
and
counties
need
more
options
for
taxes
rather
than
to
continue
to
go
to
the
working
family
who
owns
property.
The
other
reason
is-
and
we've
not
talked
about
this
much
we've
talked
about.
Does
this
person
pay
more
rent?
We
need
growth.
Our
tax
policy
in
kentucky
needs
to
be
toward
growth.
We
are
a
poor
state.
We
have
poor
counties
and
poor
cities.
We
can't
pay
for
our
roads.
A
D
A
E
L
I'm
ex
briefly
explain
not
pass
vote.
I
am
favorable
to
this.
I
think
I
have
some
questions
and
I'll
get
with
the
sponsor.
Thank
you.