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A
B
Representative
branscome
representative
Decker
present
representative
gooch
representative
heron,
here
representative
Hodgson,
here
representative
Iams,
here,
representative
cook,
representative
Derrick,
Lewis,
Here,
representative
Scott,
Lewis,
Here,
representative
Moser,
representative
Raymond,
here
representative
Swann.
Here.
A
A
All
right
before
we
begin
discussing
our
agenda
items,
I
guess
it's
probably
easily
saying
that
chairman
bratcher
is
not
here,
so
we
wish
him
well.
He
has
had
a
family
emergency
and
acid.
We
keep
them
in
in
our
prayers,
and
so,
if
you
would
do
that
for
him,
that'd
be
greatly
appreciated.
But
we
do
miss
him
today,
but
we'd
like
to
welcome
everybody
to
the
first
meeting.
A
I
would
like
to
welcome
our
new
committee
members,
Representatives
branscome
representative
Decker,
representative
Hodgson,
representative
Raymond
and
representative
Swann,
so
we'd
like
to
welcome
all
of
you
all
to
the
committee
as
well.
Yes,.
D
Sir
Mr
chairman
Mr
Vice
chairman,
if
I
may
I,
think
there's
also
another
introduction,
that's
in
order,
and
we
would
like
to
welcome
you
as
a
new
member
and
as
also
as
our
vice
chair
on
behalf
of
the
committee.
So
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
Thank.
A
You
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
first
item
on
the
agenda
today.
It's
an
overview
and
update
from
the
Secretary
of
State's
office
on
the
November
election.
So
if
y'all
could
come
forward
to
the
testimony
table,
make
sure
that
you
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
make
sure
that
your
microphones
are
turned
on
and
you
can
proceed.
Thank
you.
E
Foreign
hi
there
Michael
Adams
Secretary
of
State-
and
this
is
my
deputy
secretary
Jennifer
scutchfield
members
of
the
committee
good
afternoon,
and
welcome
back
I
would
be
proud
to
serve
anywhere
as
the
Secretary
of
State.
But
after
all,
we've
achieved
and
raising
Kentucky's
profile
as
innovators
in
election
Administration
over
the
past
three
years,
I'm
especially
proud
to
service
Kentucky's
Chief
election
official
before
I
begin
in
Earnest.
E
Let
me
say
thank
you
not
just
for
our
major
election
reform
legislation
in
2021,
for
which
our
Commonwealth
continues
to
draw
praise
from
across
the
country
and
from
our
own
citizens.
But
thank
you
also
for
continuing
that
trend
of
improving
our
voting
process
in
2022.
You
voted
in
bipartisan
fashion
and
nearly
unanimously
for
a
budget
that
fully
funds
our
elections
for
a
further
expansion
of
voter
access
and
for
a
further
tightening
of
election
security
is
the
only
state
in
America
that
is
simultaneously
making
it
easier
to
vote
and
harder
to
cheat.
E
E
I
understand
the
sentiment.
This
session
is
not
to
enact
many
major
policy
reforms,
but
rather
to
return
to
the
focus
originally
intended
for
odd
year
sessions
tweaks
to
existing
legislation.
I
totally
agree
with
that.
As
as
applied
to
our
elections,
there
has
been
a
lot
of
change
very
fast
in
our
voting
process
over
the
last
three
years.
That
change
has
been
good,
but
additional
large-scale
reforms
of
our
election
system
would
not
just
confuse
our
voters.
E
In
other
words,
early
voting
is
not
a
partisan
issue.
There
is
no
Republican
or
Democratic
way
to
vote.
Early
voting
doesn't
favor
a
side.
It
just
helps
the
voters.
It
doesn't
just
help
the
voters
who
vote
early.
It
also
helps
the
voters
who
don't
the
counties
that
had
long
lines
on
Tuesday,
November
8th,
would
have
had
even
longer
lines
had
their
voters
not
already
had
three
days
to
vote.
E
E
The
lesson
here
is
that,
in
order
to
reduce
lines,
we
need
more
voting
locations
not
more
voting
days.
That
is
not
to
say
that
I
did
not
try
in
this
past
election
to
secure
more
voting
locations.
Even
though
I
lacked
the
legal
authority
to
compel
it,
I
did
Place
calls
to
and
visit
County
clerks
and
request
that
they
open
more
voting
locations.
E
E
E
An
alternative
approach
to
fixing
this
problem
would
be
to
develop
a
statutory
formula
to
set
a
floor
for
how
many
voting
locations
accounting
needs
for
early
voting
and
election
day.
I,
don't
know
offhand
what
that
formula
should
be.
It
might
need
to
be
different
in
one
County
than
another,
because
some
counties
voters
use
early
voting
more
than
other
counties.
Voters
it's
complicated,
but
I,
think
it's
doable
I'm
neutral
over
which
approach
you
prefer,
but
we
must
do
something
to
prevent
long
lines
in
the
future.
E
E
However,
in
that
election,
Carroll
County
only
offered
one
body,
location,
Boyle
County
was
compensated
for
25
locations,
but
opened
six
Hardin
County
was
compensated
for
59
locations
but
opened
10..
If
a
county
opens
one
voting
location,
it
shouldn't
be
compensated
as
though
it
opened
11.,
and
you
should
consider
either
directing
eligibility
for
funds
be
tied
to
the
polls
being
opened,
or
you
should
at
least
alter
any
funding
formula
to
award
funds
to
counties
based
on
voter
population
rather
than
the
number
of
precincts.
E
E
E
E
They
did
not
foresee
that
the
process
would
be
misused
by
bad
faith
actors
who
seek
to
create
unwarranted
doubt
in
the
Integrity
of
our
elections.
Ironically,
this
measure
became
law
in
the
same
bill
that
closed
the
loophole
that
had
allowed
bad
faith
actors
to
demand
to
recan
this,
even
if
they
lost
by
a
landslide.
E
We
have
a
separate
law
that
permits
an
election
challenge
upon
an
allegation
of
fraud,
corruption
or
even
administrative
error,
and
any
person
with
evidence
of
same
will
not
lose
the
right
to
contest
an
election.
But
the
frivolous
lawsuits
by
people
who
lack
evidence
of
fraud,
corruption
or
administrative
error
and
lose
by
a
wide
margin
must
be
stopped.
E
Additionally,
you
should
provide
clear
standards
in
the
recount
law.
For
example,
we
recently
saw
a
recount
in
the
State
House
election
in
a
district
that
covered
two
counties.
One
County
promptly
performed
a
hand
recount
ultimately
so
did
the
other.
But
for
a
time
it
appeared,
they
would
conduct
only
a
machine
recount.
E
We
should
not
have
different
standards
that
apply
in
different
counties
in
the
same
election.
Whichever
approach
you
prefer,
you
should
make
it
Universal,
although
none
of
these
changes
is
Major,
they
are
all
important.
I
am
well
aware
that
this
is
an
election
year
and
the
Temptation
is
to
do
little
and
to
leave
the
election
rules
alone.
E
A
All
righty,
thank
you
appreciate
the
update
and
I
just
think.
I
had
a
couple.
People
that
had
questions
just
want
to
make
sure
if
anybody
I
had
one
question
I
want
to
ask
if
we
have
any
other
committee
members,
yes,
ma'am.
F
Chairman
today,
of
course,
sponsored
well
not
of
course,
but
I
sponsored
that
bill
in
2021.
That
did
the
major
overhaul
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
a
lot
about
then,
and
we
approved
it,
something
that
you
and
the
governor
had
started,
which
was
the
voting
centers
I'm
beginning
to
doubt
that,
as
having
been
a
good
move
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
complaints
about
it
from
various
people,
constituents
of
mine,
various
lawmakers
who
had
problems
in
their
counties
during
their
elections
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
it's
it
was
a
good
idea.
F
You
talk
about
having
someone
politically
accountable,
who
approves
the
plans,
but
do
you
believe
that
still
believe
that
the
voting
centers
are
a
good
solution
to
help
more
people
vote,
because
the
problems
I've
heard
of
are
that
they
actually
suppressed
voting
in
that,
especially
in
counties
where
there
weren't
a
sufficient
number
people
waited
and
waited
and
left.
The
other
thing
I've
heard
complained
about
is
that
if
there
is
a
recount
by
hand,
the
ballots
are
all
interwoven.
So
what
they're
in
a
machine?
F
So
you
have
to
go
out
and
separate
them,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
one
of
two
solutions
might
work,
one
is
getting
rid
of
them
all
together,
going
back
to
precincts
where
people
can
vote
close
to
where
they
live.
Of
course,
if
it's
early
voting,
you'd
have
to
have
poll
workers
during
those
times
going
back
all
together,
getting
rid
of
them
or
having
them
only
on
the
early
absentee
no
excuse
days
so
I
wondered
if
you
could
share
your
thoughts
about
all
that
sure.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question.
So
when
I
proposed
vote
centers
initially
the
idea
wasn't
to
have
less
convenience
for
voting.
Obviously
it
was
to
have
more
convenience.
I've
been
in
politics
for
30
years,
between
being
a
volunteer
being
an
attorney
and
doing
this
and
the
number
one
way
I've
seen
voters
suppress
from
boating.
Is
they
show
up
at
the
wrong
place
to
vote
and
normal
people
don't
know
their
Precinct
People
Like
Us
do
because
we
love
this
stuff,
but
normal
people
don't
keep
up
with
that
stuff.
At
most
they
vote
once
every
four
years.
E
They
don't
remember
their
Precinct
and
sometimes
they
change,
and
so,
if
you
insist
on
people
having
just
one
place
that
they
can
go
vote
that
suppresses
voters.
The
idea
behind
the
vote
centers
is
that
voters
will
have
options.
That's
what
elections
are
about
as
choices
we've,
given
them
more
days
to
vote
we've,
given
them
more
places
to
vote,
that's
good!
E
What
I
am
concerned
about
is
that
the
vote
centers
are
becoming
a
crutch
and
that
we
are
over
consolidating
the
locations
because
it,
the
incentives,
are
there
for
the
county
to
save
money
and
obviously
we
want
the
counties
to
be
held
harmless
here.
My
concern
is
that
we
are
reliant
not
we,
but
at
the
local
level.
There's
too
much
Reliance
on
the
vote.
Center
model
and
too
few
places
to
vote
I
think
for
some
counties.
E
The
boat
Senators
don't
make
any
sense
at
all,
and
they
shouldn't
have
to
do
them
and
by
the
way
they
don't
have
to
do
them.
It's
discretionary
in
Harlan
County
in
Harlan
County.
You
don't
have
a
county
seat
with
a
large
population
concentrated
there
and
then
suburbs
Etc
you've
got
mountains
all
over
the
place.
You've
got
people
that
have
trouble
getting
from
one
place
and
County
to
the
other
for
Harlan
County.
E
They
need
their
precincts
open
for
a
place
like
say,
Warren
or
Fayette
or
Jefferson
larger
counties
that
have
a
different
sort
of
population
different
dispersal
of
their
population.
It
might
make
a
lot
more
sense
to
have
vote
centers
and
put
them
on
commuting
paths
for
their
workers.
E
The
whole
point
of
this
is
that
the
bill
allowed
for
local
decision
making
and
I
think
that's
good
up
to
a
point,
but
I
do
think
that
the
incentives
are
there
where,
at
the
local
level,
in
a
few
counties,
not
most
in
a
few
counties,
there's
been
an
over
Reliance
on
the
vote,
Center
model
to
get
rid
of
voting
options,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
proposing
that
you
all
consider
one
of
various
different
fixes
or
maybe
more
than
one
but
I
I,
don't
Advocate
getting
rid
of
all
the
vote.
Centers.
F
E
E
Well,
you
know
again,
I
think
having
voter
choice
of
where
to
go.
Vote
is
a
good
thing.
In
theory,
you
can
have
all
the
precincts
open
and
make
them
all
vote.
Centers.
Some
counties
have
done
that
most
most
counties
do
not.
They
have
a
few
I'm
using
that
term
loosely
a
few
vote
centers
relative
to
their
population.
Then
a
number
of
precincts
open.
My
view
is:
there's
no
one
right
way
to
do
it,
and
so
I
think
you
have
again
some
choices.
You
can
say
we're
going
to
have
a
floor.
G
F
E
To
to
my
knowledge,
that's
not
any
different
from
the
way
it's
been
done
previously,
because
the
ballots
once
they
once
the
election's
over,
they
leave
the
precinct
and
they're
all
delivered
to
the
county
seat.
So
to
my
knowledge,
we've
we've
got
no
complaints
from
any
kind
of
some
recount
about
that
being
problematic.
You
may
hear
differently
from
others
that
testify
today
and
I'll
defer
to
them
on
that.
But
we've
not
heard
any
issues
from
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Sharon.
G
Yes,
thank
you,
hello,
Mr,
secretary
I'm,
new
to
the
committee.
Can
you
help
me
understand
your
role
and
influence
on
the
State
Board
of
Elections
and
how
it
has
operated
in
years
past,
when
the
secretary
of
state
was
the
chair
of
the
State
Board
of
Elections
and
then
from
2019
to
2022,
the
the
general
assembly
had
removed
the
Secretary
of
State
as
the
chair
of
State
Board
of
Elections
and
then
reinstalled
that
position
there.
E
E
There
have
been
a
state
board
prior
to
that
time
and,
of
course,
in
Statute,
in
our
constitution,
there
are
certain
election
responsibilities
that
my
office
has,
but
it
wasn't
until
I
believe
1990
that
that
was
codified
in
in
statute
from
well
I
I
can't
speak
to
what
happened
when
I
was
14
years
old
in
terms
of
how
the
board
functioned.
But
to
my
knowledge,
the
operation
of
the
board,
from
let's
say
1990
to
roughly
2019,
was
that
the
chair
of
the
board
essentially
made
the
policy
decisions.
E
Was
the
agency
had?
Certainly
the
board
would
meet
and
ratify
those
those
decisions.
That's
certainly
the
experience
that
I
had
when
I
was
on
the
board.
Under
my
predecessors,
term
of
office
I
was
on
the
state
board
and
that's
that's
how
it
operated
at
the
time.
I
think
the
sense
of
the
legislature
in
2019
was
that
there
was
too
much
power
in
the
secretary's
office
and
two
little
independent
Authority
on
the
on
the
part
of
the
board.
E
There
was
some
dispute
about
whether
the
board
had
approved
certain
contracts
and
so
forth,
and
so
the
legislature
voted
to
essentially
remove
the
secretary
from
from
chairing
the
board
and
really
for
much
of
a
role
on
it
at
all,
remove
the
ability
to
even
vote
on
the
board,
and
so
what
you
then
saw
was
what
this
is.
My
own
personal
take
a
very
uncomfortable
period,
a
dispute
sometimes
loud
ones,
sometimes
caught
on
camera
between
the
secretary
and
her
staff
and
the
board
and
their
staff.
E
It
wasn't
a
good
look,
I
think
for
anybody.
That's
that's
what
we
had
through
when
I
was
sworn
in
here
in
in
2020.
I've
certainly
made
it
a
point
to
not
have
that
sort
of
tension
with
with
the
staff
of
the
board.
I
think
I've
avoided
that
successfully
now
we're
in
sort
of
a
middle
area
where
per
legislation
last
year
which
passed
in
bipartisan
fashion.
E
The
secretary
of
state
was
reappointed
as
the
as
the
chair
of
the
board,
but
I
still
don't
have
any
Authority
over
the
staff.
I
don't
have
any
authority
over
really
much
of
anything.
I
can't
even
vote
on
it.
So
I
think.
Maybe
we
haven't
fully
corrected
for
where
we
went
in
in
2019
we're
kind
of
in
a
limbo
area.
C
A
question
Mr
secretary
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done,
one
in
particular
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
Odom
County.
Thank
you
for
objecting
to
the
planner
trying
to
get
the
plan
that
was
actually
went
into
effect
for
the
November
election.
This
past
November,
you
objected
to
it.
You're
asked
for
the
State
Board
of
Elections
to
object
to
it.
They
did
not.
C
Unfortunately,
the
speaker
and
I
requested
your
office
to
object
to
the
plan
and
for
the
State
Board
of
Elections
to
do
so
because
it
didn't
work
in
the
primary
and
we
knew
there
was
going
to
be
a
lot
more
people
voting
and
I
think
what
we
saw
was
an
absolute
Abomination
at
a
550
I've
showed
the
video
at
a
previous
committee
be
happy
to
show
it
again
at
South,
Oldham,
Middle
School.
C
The
lines
were
around
the
front
of
the
building
side
of
the
building,
all
the
way
the
back
people
in
wheelchairs
people
on
canes
thank
God.
It
wasn't
snowing
or
raining.
It
was
an
absolute
Abomination.
You
talk
about
suppression
of
the
vote.
Well,
they
were
vote
suppressed
because
I
was
standing
there.
C
Obviously
it
was
a
it
was
so
bad.
The
judge
had
to
say
anybody
in
the
parking
lot.
You
couldn't
couldn't
get
parking
space
either.
Obviously
they
went
down
to
five
locations.
60
000
people
in
Oldham
County,
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
Odom
County,
for
standing
up
for
those
folks
to
help
help
them
have
more
access.
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
not
interested
in
pointing
fingers
or
blaming
anyone,
I'm
interested
in
just
telling
it
straight
and
telling
the
truth.
C
I
also
represent
Shelby
County
and
Jefferson
County,
which
back
to
the
went
back
to
the
precincts.
There
were
lines
nowhere
like
an
Odom
and
they
were
also
lines
inside.
So
those
those
elections
went
forward
splendidly.
So
I
want
to
congratulate
you
and
congratulate
the
county
clerks
in
those
areas.
C
I
guess
my
question
is:
what
can
we
do
you
on
September,
the
9th
presented
to
the
State
Board
of
Elections,
and
you
were
going
to
go
through
each
step.
Each
County's
plan
saying
the
good
ones,
are
the
ones
that
you
wanted
to
approve
and
the
ones
that
you
wanted
to
disprove
and
Mr
Johnson,
who
I
don't
know,
is
on
the
board
of
elections.
He
said:
are
you
going
to
go
through
them
all?
You
said
I
plan
to
for
the
benefit
of
the
public,
and
he
says
I'm
on
vacation
I've
only
got
an
hour.
C
We
need
to
hustle
up,
but
hopefully
we
can
get
them
done.
That
to
me
is
a
problem,
especially
in
looking
backwards
when
I
know
what
occur.
What
occurred
you
again
on
September,
the
20th
in
another
meeting
tried
to
push
forward
some
objections
and
were
cut
off
by
the
chairman,
I
think
of
the
board
and
and
they
went
through
and
just
straight
out,
Whole
Hog
approved
all
of
the
plans,
not
even
doing
it
seems,
like
seems
like,
and
though
it
could
be
up
in
a
minute.
I
want
them
to
prove.
C
To
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
said
to
the
staff,
have
you
guys
went
through
these
staff
said
yes,
and
they
said
well
I
move
that
we
approve
them
all.
I,
don't
know
that
the
people
that
have
been
appointed
went
through
each
of
these
things,
I
kind
of
hope
they
didn't,
because
if
they
did,
they
really
missed
a
couple
of
them
in
a
way
that
was
is
really
unacceptable
and
I
want
to
just
highlight
two
things,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
we
hear
this.
C
The
locations
that
we
were
chose
that
were
chosen
in
Oldham
County.
One
of
them
was
South
Odem,
High,
South,
Odom,
Middle
School,
not
sufficient
parking,
so
people
were
parking
on
the
other
side
of
veterans
and
Memorial
to
my
people,
from
my
friends
from
Louisville
veterans,
memorials
like
Dixie
Highway,
very
heavy
traffic
wide
wide
Road
people
were
crossing
Veterans
Memorial
praise
God.
None
of
them
got
hit.
They
then
had
to
go
down
a
ditch,
not
a
small,
ditch
down
a
ditch
cross
it
in
up
a
ditch
twice.
C
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
unders
I,
don't
know
why
and
I
brought
this
up
a
number
of
times
and
I
know
there
are
other
things
that
are
that
are
problems
or
that
there
are
issues.
I
know
the
ballots
were
long.
This
time,
I
feel
I
believe
there
were
new
new
papers,
and
so
those
things
contribute
to
the
mix,
no
doubt
about
it.
C
C
C
E
E
If,
if
you
would
remember
representative,
you
brought
a
lawsuit
against
against
election
officials
in
the
spring
of
2020,
because
all
the
plans
for
consolidation
at
the
at
the
county
level
had
been
approved
without
any
any
pushback
or
veto,
and
we
learn
from
that
experience
and
in
November
of
2020,
the
governor
and
I
were
given
authority
to
reject
plans
that
weren't
adequate
and,
and
we
used
that
power
we
used
it
in
Jefferson
to
compel
more
locations.
E
We
used
it
in
Fayette
to
compel
more
locations,
I,
don't
recall
what
all
the
counties
were,
but
but
it
worked,
I
do
think.
Having
a
a
backstop
by
someone
that
has
to
face
the
voters
is
is
beneficial.
Alternatively,
to
that,
you
could
come
up
and
I
can
help,
certainly
come
up
with
a
formula
that
says
if
you
have
X
number
of
Voters,
you
need
X
number
of
locations
and
just
have
a
floor
in
the
statute.
That
would
prevent
that
over
consolidation
and
then
another
option
is
to
tie
funding
to
opening
the
polls.
C
Thank
you,
I
want
to
note.
I
joined
Keisha
Dorsey,
who
is
a
Democrat
councilwoman
on
that
lawsuit,
as
well
as
some
citizens,
so
it
wasn't
just
me,
but
they
stood
up
as
well.
I
really
hope
that
you
and
the
State
Board
of
Elections
work
with
our
chairman
to
get
this
done.
I
think
we
need
it
done
right
now.
We've
got
important
elections
this
year
and
then
the
presidential
election
next
year
and
and
my
people
in
Oldham
County
are
they're
pretty
angry
about
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
H
Are
are
split
depending
on
the
race?
How
do
you
reconcile
the
voter
check-ins
where
they
get
their
ballot
to
the
ballots
cast
at
the
end,
when
you've
got
all
precincts,
layered
in
the
Box,
sealed
together
seems
like
you
would
have
to
go
through
a
process
of
manually
separating
the
ballots
first
and
I'm,
not
sure
how
you
reconcile
the
check-ins
from
the
from
the
iPad
system
that
you
scan.
E
In
well
I'll
I'll,
let
anyone
speak
to
this,
who
knows
more
about
than
I.
Do
I
don't
conduct
the
recounts?
I,
don't
have
any
any
role
in
the
process,
but
pursuant
to
representative
Decker's
legislation
in
2021,
our
overall
election
reform
model,
we
allowed
these
vote
centers,
but
only
if
the
county
had
the
capacity
to
separate
out
the
voter
by
precincts
to
to
come
up
with
election
returns
by
Precinct
voter
by
Precinct.
In
other
words,
we're
all
just
combined
together.
So
the
technology
allows
for
that.
E
H
Unless
I
observed
incorrectly
I
think
we
literally
are
throwing
them
all
in
a
box
together
and
sealium
in
the
box.
So
if
you're
Jefferson
County,
for
instance
in
the
early
voting
days,
I
received
a
printed
ballot
and
I
could
put
it
in
any
scanner.
So
that
would
be
people
from
potentially
600
different
precincts
with
ballots
mingled,
together
in
the
box
and
specifically
concerned
about
a
large
County
like
Jefferson
or
Fayette
having
to
go
through
a
recap
process.
I
J
Are
sir,
that
the
ballots
are
not
connected
to
the
to
the
EPO
books
to
check
in,
but
they
are
reconciled
at
the
end
of
the
voting.
The
number
of
ballots
cast
is
checked
against
how
many
persons
have
signed
into
the
electronic
poll
books.
So
there's
a
Reconciliation
between
the
number
of
ballots
cast
and
check-ins.
A
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
you
secretary
Adams
you're,
coming
to
present
today
we're
going
to
move
on
I
think
several
people
have
somewhere
to
be
at
1
30.
So
we
would
like
to
continue
forward
with
an
update
from
the
State
Board
of
Elections
on
the
November
election.
So
if
y'all
could
come
forward
to
the
desk
and
please
make
sure
that
you
introduce
yourselves
into
the
microphone
and
then
proceed
with
your
presentation.
I
With
us
as
well
behind
me
is
Ben
Chandler
Woodford
County,
member
of
the
State
Board
of
Elections
Deanna
brangers,
Jefferson
County.
Member
of
the
State
Board
of
Elections
is
also
just
behind
me
and
available.
A
I
You
good
afternoon,
we
would
like
to
thank
this
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
come
before
you
today.
We've
been
asked
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
November
election,
given
the
challenges
of
Staffing
and
recruitment
of
poll
workers,
120
counties
and
their
clerks
conducted.
A
successful
election
SBE
wants
to
recognize
this
Dedication
that
each
one
of
these
counties
has
toward
the
Integrity
of
elections
in
the
Commonwealth.
I
We
understand
and
recognize
the
concerns
of
lines
in
the
counties
lines
are
not
a
tributable
attributable
to
only
counties
that
had
vote.
Centers
counties
that
opened
all
precincts
also
experienced
lines
in
some
locations:
the
number
of
judicial
federal
state,
county,
City
races
and
every
word
of
two
Constitutional
Amendments
that
were
created
and
on
the
ballot.
I
I
Despite
this
to
sbe's
knowledge,
there
were
no
defeated
candidates
from
the
general
election
who
had
grounds
to
file
a
post-election
contest
action.
However,
the
trend
of
defeated
candidates
requesting
recounts
that
first
emerged
after
the
primary
did
continue
following
the
general,
and
this
is
exposing
the
need
for
legislative
action
with
that
said,
these
recounts
have,
in
each
case
also
served
to
show
that
the
State's
new
voting
systems
are
accurate
and
dependable.
I
Lastly,
I
want
to
thank
the
counties
for
embracing
the
State's
new
election
night
Reporting
System
created
by
SBE.
Unlike
other
states,
sb's
reporting
system
is
not
owned
or
hosted
by
a
foreign
entity,
but
is
a
domestic
system
maintained
securely
here
in
the
Commonwealth
by
the
State
Board
of
Elections?
I
We
also
welcome
discussion
on
certain
statutory
changes
that
can
also
continue
to
enhance
our
election
reporting
process
and,
to
sum
up,
the
November
2022
general
election
encompassed
a
lot
of
extensive
electoral
changes
enacted
by
the
general
assembly
from
the
session
in
2021
and
in
2022.
So
we
would
like
to
thank
the
county
election
officers
who
worked
all
these
voting
locations.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'm
gonna,
I'm,
gonna
direct,
my
question
to
the
members
of
the
Board
of
Elections,
welcome,
I've,
I've,
known
Ben,
Chandler
and
his
family
for
a
very
long
time
and
Indiana
for
for
quite
a
while
long
length
of
time
as
well.
So
I've
been
voting
for
37
years.
I've
I've,
never
missed
an
election.
A
primary
or
a
general
election
I've
always
voted
this
past
November
election.
L
When
I
went
to
vote
in
my
home
county,
we
had
three
voting
centers
for
a
county
of
83
000
residents
or
sixty
four
thousand
total
voters,
three
voting
centers
for
early
voting
and
then
on
Election
Day
November
8th.
We
had
three
voting
centers
plus
two
individualized
centers
one
for
the
West
End
of
the
county.
L
That's
a
little
difficult
to
make
it
the
drive
into
the
other
Regional
centers,
and
then
we
had
one
in
the
South
End
of
the
county.
So
a
total
of
five
on
Election
Day
when
I
went
to
vote
in
37
years
of
voting.
L
I've
never
I've
never
experienced
this,
but
I
have
I,
have
voted
early
and
I
have
voted
on
Election
Day
in
both,
since
we've
been
doing
that
it
took
me
so
when
I
pulled
up
into
the
parking
lot
at
the
of
parakeet
Springs
in
Shepherdsville
I
had
trouble
finding
a
parking
spot.
L
I
would
estimate.
There
were
probably
three
to
four
hundred
people
already
in
line
when
it
came
time
for
me
to
vote
and,
and
so
I
just
took
a
quick
look
at
my
watch
to
see
the
time
that
I
parked
and
walked
to
get
in
line
by
the
time
I
finished
voting
and
was
leaving
that
polling
place
and
heading
back
to
my
car.
It
had
been
an
hour
and
40
minutes
that
I
had
that
I
stood
in
line
now,
as
representative
nemes
says,
I
I
was
thankful
that
the
weather
was
good.
L
That
day,
if
it
had
been
raining
or
snowing,
I
would
have
still
stood
in
line.
I
would
not
have
missed
the
opportunity
to
vote,
but
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
may
not
want
to
do
that
or
may
not
have
the
hour
and
40
minutes
to
stand
in
line
to
vote
now.
Everybody
seemed
to
be
in
pretty
good
mood
that
day,
I
did
hear
over
and
over
and
over
again
from
folks
that
they
will
always
continue
to
vote
on
Election
Day.
They
will
not
participate
in
early
voting
and
I.
L
Don't
begrudge
anybody
that
wants
to
do
that.
I've
I
personally,
like
voting
on
Election
Day,
it's
just
it's!
It's
been
exciting
and
I've
enjoyed
participating.
In
that
my
question
is
we
had
a
county
of
64
000
registered
voters?
We
had
25
000
individuals
vote
in
the
November
2022
election.
That's
a
39.4
percent.
Voter
turnout.
L
L
L
Will
will
you
all
take
into
consideration
events
that
happened
in
November
2022
in
in
my
home
county
when
looking
at
the
next
elections,
plans
that
are
submitted,
because,
quite
honestly,
I
agree
with
representative
Decker
I
hear
from
a
lot
of
constituents
who
really
want
us
to
go
back
to
the
individual
precincts
where
we
vote
voted
our
precincts
and
and
I
hear
all
the
time.
Folks,
you
know
the
early
voting
is
is
helpful
for
some,
but
they
want
to
go
back
to
that
election
day
voting
and
they
and
specifically
they
want
their
individual
precincts
back.
L
And
so
my
question
to
you
is:
how
are
you
all
going
to
move
forward
in
judging
these
plans
and
looking
at
them,
taking
into
account
examples
that
I've
provided
for
you
today?
Are
you
aware,
were
you
aware
of
the
situation
in
my
community
and
and
I
know?
Election
officials
dealt
with
the
best
situation
that
they
had
and
they
wanted
to
I
know
our
County
Clerk
has
told
me
that
they
have
trouble
finding
folks
to
work
on
Election
Day
in
early
voting,
so
I
guess
I'll.
L
Leave
it
open
at
that
and
like
to
ask
you
for
your
your
comments
on
that.
M
Okay,
thank
you,
representative,
Weber
I'd,
like
to
to
try
to
address
that.
First
of
all,
I
was
not
aware
of
the
situation
in
Bullitt,
County
and
I.
Don't
remember
bullet
being
one
of
the
counties
I'm
just
looking
here
at
my
notes.
That
was
actually
pulled
out
for
a
second
review,
so
I
think
everybody
was
in
agreement
to
approve
Bullock
counties,
probably
based
upon
the
success
of
the
election
in
Bullitt
County
in
the
primary,
because
if
we
felt
everything
had
gone
well
in
the
primary,
we
reevaluated
everything.
M
If
there
were
problems
in
some
counties,
there
were
clerks
that
we
asked
to
add
another
location
or
maybe
look
at
shifting
locations
as
we,
you
know
our
staff,
it
wasn't
the
board
members
specifically,
but
I,
think
the
staff
will
tell
you.
I
was
on
the
phone
with
them
quite
a
bit
asking
questions,
because
anyone
who
knows
me
knows
I
ask
a
lot
of
questions.
M
He
likes
the
early
voting
because
of
the
nature
of
his
business.
He
doesn't
always
have
control
of
his
schedule.
Sometimes,
with
the
way
things
come
up,
so
early
voting
being
able
to
go
over
the
weekend
is
helpful
to
him
so
and
it
and
it
worked
out
at
about
the
same
percentage
that
I
think
we
thought
it
would
work
out.
M
So
I
don't
know,
I
think
we
have
to
take
all
of
the
evidence
that
we
have.
We
had
a
lot
of
factors
here.
It
kind
of
became
a
perfect
storm.
I
wish
that
it
hadn't
in
a
few
areas
worked
very
well
in
other
areas,
so
I
think
we've
got
to
go
back.
We've
got
to
review
what
what
worked
really
well.
Maybe
what
didn't
work
as
well
and
make
sure
that
we
we
don't
ever
have
those
kind
of
lines
again
I
mean
we
have
had
lines
in
the
in
the
past.
M
I
have
stood
in
line
even
in
Taylor
County,
which
is
not
a
really
large
County,
but
I
have
voted
and
stood
in
line
to
vote
there.
So
there
have
been
instances
where
there
have
been
lines
in
the
past,
but
we
don't
ever
want
that
to
be
the
case.
We
want
people
to
be
able
to
go
in
not
spend
an
hour
and
a
half
hour,
40
minutes
two
hours
in
line
not
have
to
go
through
a
ditch
to
get
over
to
the
voting
location,
that
those
are
things
that
we
need
to
know.
M
I
can
say
that
as
a
board,
member
I
was
unaware
of
a
problem
with
the
primary
in
Oldham
County.
That
was
never
brought
to
me.
It
was
never
raised
when
it
was
brought
up
on
September
7th.
The
secretary
wanted
additional
time
to
review
those
plans
and
I
think
the
board
is
always
going
to
honor
the
secretary's
request
to
review
those
plans.
I
mean
we're
not
not
going
to
not
give
him
that
time.
So
we
gave
him
that
time.
M
It
came
back
on
September
20th
and
at
that
time
I
think
we
all
felt
like
we
were
at
a
drop
dead
date
over
printing
of
ballots
Etc
because
of
what
the
the
companies
tell
us,
they
have
to
print
the
ballots
and
I
think
we
felt
like
we.
We
had
to
proceed
at
that
point
because
anything
else
was
going
to
to
cause
problems
in
just
the
administration
of
the
election,
so
hindsight
being
2020,
we
can
all
always
look
back
and
think
we
would
like
to
do
something
different
going
forward.
M
We're
absolutely
going
to
do
something
different,
because
we're
going
to
have
those
discussions,
whether
it's
a
formula
that
that
you
all
approve
I,
have
no
problem
with
that.
Just
think
it's
it's
got
to
be
a
broad
conversation
of
election
officials
between
the
clerks,
the
board,
the
secretary
of
state,
so
we
make
sure
we
get
it
right.
L
Would
encourage
you
as
you're,
looking
at
the
plans
in
the
future
that
are
submitted,
do
and-
and
you
may
already
require
this
when
a
location
is
submitted,
do
you
ask
for
parking
information
is,
does
that
have
to
be
provided
because
I'll
tell
you
East
Side
Middle
School,
which
was
for
the
for
the
Mount
Washington
area
in
Bullitt,
County
I
was
getting
calls
from
folks
who
said,
there's
no
place
to
park
and
it's
off
of
Highway
44
and
you're
not
going
to
pull
off
on
the
side
of
the
road.
L
Their
places
in
there
I
would
park
on
the
side
of
the
road
I'm
not
going
to
on
highway
44.,
but
there
just
wasn't
ample
parking
and
all
three
of
the
major
Center
locations,
I
heard
from
individuals
all
day,
I
mean
they
were
parking
in
the
grass
and
they
were
they
were
creating
their
own
parking
places
in
order
for
folks
to
get
in
there
to
vote
so
I'm
just
I'm
raising
these
as
red
flags
for
the
Future.
These
are
things
we
need
to
be
aware
of,
and
we
need
to
be
prepared
for.
M
Parking
can
become
a
a
real
situation.
We
can
think
you
got
the
parking
right,
but
when
you
start
having
the
longer
lines
like
I
said,
I
think
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
perfect
storm
here.
Obviously,
people
are
taking
longer
fills
up
the
parking
lots
it
becomes
overflowing.
Then
parking
then
becomes
a
problem.
Parking
is
always
something
that
I
know
the
clerks
look
at
specifically
when
they're
developing
these,
it's
not
perfect
finding
locations
for
voting,
centers
and
Precinct.
Sometimes
it
is,
you
can,
please
feel
free
to
to
talk
to
your
local
clerks.
M
A
We
have
a
few
more
questions
here
running
out
of
time
before
we
have
to
be
out
of
here,
so
we'll
move
forward.
If
representative
branscom.
N
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
and
and
Ben
Deanna.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
today
as
well
got
a
quick
question
here,
and
this
is
actually
probably
not
directed
at
you
guys.
What
is
the
status
of
the
risk
limit
auditing.
I
K
Currently,
as
you
know,
Fayette
County
was
one
of
our
one
of
our
pilot
program
counties,
so
it's
in
the
they're
actually
recounting
ballots.
Today
we
are
looking
at
around.
We
had
hoped
to
do
it
in
December.
Of
course,
we
told
you
told
everyone
at
that
time.
It
would
depend
on
any
litigation
or
any
recounts,
we're
looking
around
January,
18th
or
19th
to
conduct
that
we'll
be
following
up
with
our
clerks
this
week
and
then
we'll
have
a
follow-up
meeting
next
week
to
prepare
for
it.
H
Yes,
we
knew
in
January
I,
guess
that
this
was
going
to
be
an
extraordinarily
long
ballot
for
2022,
probably
certainly
the
longest
one
I've
seen
in
my
lifetime
is,
that
is
the
length
of
the
ballot
and
then
the
corresponding
voter
fill
out
time
is
that
in
your
formula
anywhere
for
evaluating
voting
centers,
you
know
how
many
voters
you've
got.
You
know
the
geography
of
the
county.
H
You
know
about
what
your
expected
turnout
is,
but
the
length
of
the
ballot
even
figure
into
those
those
equations,
and
do
we
have
a
mathematical
equation
to
to
figure
out
an
expected
voter
service
time.
You
know
I
would
just
use
an
example
of
everybody
probably
goes
to
Chick-fil-A
once
in
a
while.
They've
got
an
extraordinary
number
of
people
coming
through
there,
but
they
zip
right
through
that
line
because
they
they
know
how
fast
they
want
to
service
their
customers.
So.
K
K
Sometimes
it
doesn't
go
that
way
and
how
you
respond
and
react
to
that
and
how
you
learn
from.
That
is
a
big
big
portion
of
that.
Of
course,
it
doesn't
help
at
the
time,
except
for
how
you
address
the
solution
at
the
moment.
As
far
as
a
formula
technically
formulas
for
vote
centers
that
we
learned
from
2020
and
I
think
I've
addressed
this
before
in
a
vote.
Center
that
has
10
check-in
stations
with
at
least
60
poll
boosts.
You
could
vote
people.
We
voted
about
4
4,
200
people
in
the
12-hour
day
horse.
K
That
was
a
ballot
that
came
in
people
voted.
Then
they
could
a
lot
of
times
straight
party
or
whatever
they
wanted
to
do,
and
they
were
out
the
door.
This
ballot,
for
instance,
we
looked
at
Jefferson's
ballot,
had
40
judicial
races
on
it.
They
had
the
the
length
of
the
amendment,
so
it
took
a
little
bit
longer
and
also
because
of
the
amount
of
candidates
I,
think
that
were
on
the
ballot.
We
saw
something
that
we
hadn't
dealt
with
before
and
that
is
people
using
cell
phone
sexual
lookup
candidate
information
there
at
the
voting
booth.
K
So
that
was
that
so
as
far
as
actually
being
a
formula
to
get
down
to
that,
no,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
today,
clerks
SB
staff.
We
are
thinking
a
little
bit
differently
than
we
were
prior
to
this
election,
so
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
be
clerks
that
are
going
to
learn
from
this
experience
and
move
forward
in
a
different
manner.
C
Thank
you
two
things.
One
thing
with
respect
to
the
machines
being
reliable,
I
think
they
are
I
want
to
Quick
quickly.
Report
I
represented
the
property
value
value
administrator
in
Clark
County.
She
won
the
race
by
10
votes
on
Election
Day.
They
recounted
that
she
ended
up
winning
by
eight,
but
it's
not
as
simple
as
that.
It
wasn't
just
two
votes
change.
It
was
actually
12..
She
lost
seven
and
picked
up
five.
The
lawyers
we
fought
over
another
20
or
so
ballots.
C
So
these
machines
are
not
perfect
and
it's
not
because
of
the
machine.
It's
because
of
the
the
way
they
fill
them
in.
But
if
there
are
thousands
and
thousands
of
precincts
throughout
the
state,
so
you
know
it
while
I'm
going
to
advise
my
clients
in
the
future
is
if
there's
a
couple
votes
per
Precinct
that
you're
in
you
should
you
should
get
a
recount
and
challenge
it
immediately.
So
I
I
want
to
say
they're,
reliable,
but
they're,
not
perfect.
I
mean
that
was
that
was
eye-opening
to
me.
C
We
can't
we
counted
by
hand,
I
didn't,
but
but
the
court
appointed
count
vote
counters
by
and
they
they
counted
all
14
000
of
those
ballots
by
hand.
So
I
got
to
see
all
the
all
the
problems
in
firsthand
and
fight.
For
my
clients,
you
know
winning
about
eight
votes,
even
though
it
was
ten.
So
here's
one
issue
that
I
have
I
want
to
be
really
clear
about
this,
because
my
concern
is
that
you're
not
taking
it
seriously.
C
When
we
talk
about
ottoman
bullet
counties,
the
response
is,
there's
been
lines
at
other
places,
Louisville
had
43
judges
on
the
ballot
they
weren't
lines
in
Louisville.
There
were,
but
nothing
nothing
out
of
the
ordinary
and
I
know
the
long
ballot
I
get
I
get
all
that.
But
when
I
hear
when
representative
Weber
says
what
was
going
on
in
Bullitt,
County
and
I
know
what
happened
to
Oldham
County,
because
I
was
standing,
there
I
showed
the
video
you
guys
have
seen
it
I've
been
standing
outside
polling
locations
since
2006.
it
was
no.
C
It
has
never
been
anywhere
like
this,
so
I
want
to
just
be
clear
when
y'all
respond.
Oh
we've
all
been
in
lines:
it's
different
in
kind,
I've
never
been
in
a
line,
that's
been
wrapped
around
an
entire
building
and
you
ought
not
be
required
to
do
that.
So
I
want
to
hear
just
straight
up.
You
guys
understand
that
those
lines
were
longer
in
locations
that
had
fewer
voting
locations
than
somewhere
like
Shelby,
which
went
back
to
the
precincts
you.
You
acknowledge
that,
or
do
you
think
the
lines
at
all
those
locations
were
the
same.
I
Yep,
thank
you.
No
I
do
not
think
the
lines
were
all
the
same,
and
yes,
there
were
lines
across
the
state
and
I
didn't
mean
to
assume
that
precincts
had
longer
lines
than
boat.
Centers
I
couldn't
speak
for
each
County
on
how
lie
how
long
each
line
was
at
each
location
they
have,
but
I
can
assure
you
and
I
think
it
was
something
maybe
representative
Weber
said
as
we
look
forward
to
the
plans
coming
up
in
2023.
I
All
of
this
will
be
taken
into
consideration
between
Richard
Taylor
and
myself
and
including
members
of
our
state
board.
They
called
some
of
the
clerks.
We
spoke
to
every
Clerk
and
encouraged.
You
know
we
looked
at
the
geographic
area.
You
know
tried
to
ensure
that
the
areas
were
covered,
whether
it
was
bullet
or
Oldham
or
Shelby
Jefferson.
I
Any
you
know
any
county
Russell
and
tried
to
you
know,
look
at
the
population
around
a
rural
County
and
how
far
they
had
to
travel
and
I
think
that
the
majority
of
the
clerks
would
tell
you
they
spoke
to
either
Richard
or
myself,
because
we
were
looking
at
what
was
the
best
for
the
voters
and
the
the
shortest
amount
of
distance,
the
to
speak
to
representative
Hodgson,
too.
I
You
know
one
of
the
things
to
look
at
in
the
future.
I'm
sure
this
isn't
the
last
ballot
that
we'll
have
Constitutional
Amendments
on
and
maybe
in
the
future.
You
know
I
recognize
the
language
had
to
be
what
it
was
on
the
ballot.
So
that
would
also
be
a
consideration
when
you
know
when
you
pick
a
vote
Center
or
pick
whether
you're
doing
all
precincts
is.
C
B
I
Most
of
them
I
think
actually
went
to
vote
centers.
Some
of
them
had
combined
I.
Think
there
was,
you
know,
a
speaking
to
some
counties
had
boat
centers,
but
then
in
some
areas
where
the
Geographics
required
more
travel,
they
might
have
had
four
precincts
in
one
location
as
opposed
to
opening
all
four
precincts
individually.
So.
C
C
Not
for
general
election,
please
keep
in
mind
when
there's
a
question
is
this
enough
or
is
it
not
err
on
the
side
of
not
enough,
because
our
people
are
entitled
to
easy
voting,
it's
our
job
as
government
officials
to
kind
of
make
it
easy
for
them
and
and
what
we
did
was
an
Abomination.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
A
All
right
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
move
forward.
I
have
a
representative
Decker
very
quickly.
We
do
have
a
few
more
minutes
before
we
have
to
be
over
there
for
those
of
you
that
need
to
move
on.
We
do
have
eight
or
ten
minutes
here
before
we
have
to
be
there.
So
I
have
a
representative
Decker
go
ahead.
F
And
ask
her
question.
Thank
you.
Mr
I
do
appreciate
all
of
you
who
work
in
the
election
process
in
Kentucky.
I
know
that
you
have
all
dedicated
your
professional
careers
to
election
integrity
and
increasing
our
voting.
Turnout
and
I
appreciate
that
I
I
do
notice
that
the
people
who
go
around
our
state
and
speak
poorly
of
our
election
system
and
raise
questions
and
cause
voters
to
be
concerned,
don't
appear
at
our
our
elections
meetings
and
express
their
concerns.
They
don't
ask
questions.
F
F
I
do
think,
though,
that
it
may
not
be
ideal
now,
as
it
has
been
I
think
the
relationships
seem
to
have
deteriorated
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
doesn't
hurt
our
voting
process.
When
I
hear
that
there
were
lists
made
and
recommendations
by
the
secretary
of
state
that
weren't
followed
I'm
wondering
if,
if
it
is
now
become
so
tense
that
that
the
all
of
you
are
not
working
together
as
well
as
you
have
in
the
past
and
I'm
worried
about
that,
because
I
did
hear
today.
F
I've
learned
a
lot
today,
but
I
did
hear
that
perhaps
it
took
the
Secretary
of
State
longer
than
you
felt
he
should
have
taken
to
do
the
review,
but
it
distresses
me
to
hear
that
he
had
a
list
that
was
completely
not
none
of
it
taken
into
consideration.
So
I
do
urge
you
please
to
work
on
your
relationships.
F
I,
don't
think
I'm
wrong
about
this
I
think
I
have
felt
tension
that
I
just
didn't
feel
in
the
past
and
so
I
encourage
you
please
to
work
through
those
things,
because
I
think
the
voters
of
the
state
rely
on
us
all
to
work
together
and
so
I'm
going
to
follow
up
later
we're
out
of
time.
But
I
do
want
to
hear
more
about
and
I
think
if
somebody
said
maybe
somebody
from
Lexington
was
here
today.
I'm
still
confused
about
I
understand
that
there
are
still
Precinct
accountabilities.
F
We
can
tell
who
voted
and
how
many
votes
were
cast
and
all
that.
But
I
am
concerned
about
this
conglomeration
of
the
votes.
I
appreciate
learning
that
that's
always
true
when
the
precincts
come
together,
but
is
there
I
guess
I'm
looking
for?
Is
there
a
solution
to
if
we
have
vote
centers
or
even
afterwards?
Is
there
some
way
to
keep
the
physical
ballots
segregated?
F
It
seems
like
maybe
impossible,
but
I
can't
I,
don't
want
to
just
assume
that,
because
I
think
the
recounts
are
made
harder
and
I
would
like
to
hear
from
Lexington
how
hard
it
was.
But
my
overall
thought
is
I
encourage
you
to
work
through
whatever
is
causing
tension
and
I
think
we'll
all
be
better
off
for
it.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
A
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
all
of
you
coming
to
present
today.
We
do
know
that
the
subject
we've
discussed
is
the
foundational
freedom
for
everything
that
we
do
here.
So
it's
very
important.
It
deserves
a
conversation
and
the
utmost
Attention.
Our
next
order.
Business
is
adjournment.
Do
I
have
a
motion.