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A
Towards
your
seats,
silence
all
cell
phones
we'll
start
to
proceed
with
this
eighth
meeting
of
the
house.
Local
government
committee
I
believe
for
those
of
you
who
may
be
participating
virtually
when
your
name
is
called
on
the
roll.
Let
us
know
that
you
are
participating
from
your
Annex
office
again,
if
everybody
would
just
please
move
towards
their
seats,
silence
all
cell
phones
and.
B
D
G
A
Yes,
ma'am,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
are
duly
authorized
to
do
business.
We
are
going
to
go
out
of
order
on
the
agenda
today
and
we
will
be
passing
over
Senate
Bill
42
for
the
time
being
as
well.
We
will
start
giving
privilege
to
my
co-chairman
in
the
senate
committee
with
his
Senate
Bill
106.
If
you
all
would
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record,
then
you
may
proceed
with
your
testimony.
Sure.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
today
we
have
before
you
Senate
Bill
106
Cinema
106
establishes
an
administrative
process
to
dissolve
former
cities
without
forcing
people
who
live
there,
to
pay
the
legal
expenses
to
dissolve
those
cities
that
requires
cities
to
file
with
dlg
by
September
1
of
this
year.
Their
address
contact
information
year
of
incorporation
and
form
of
government
on
October.
The
1st
dlg
is
to
be
notified.
H
Our
dlg
notifies
cities
that
did
not
submit
that
and
on
December
1st
dlg
will
publish
a
list
in
the
local
newspaper
for
the
possible
possibility
of
disillusion
dissolving
the
city
on
January.
The
1st
dlg
will
hold
an
administrative
hearing
in
the
city.
Should
the
city
move
toward
dissolving
if
cities
are
dissolved,
any
debts
shall
be
satisfied
on
a
pro
rata
basis
and
any
remaining
assets
remaining
shall
be
transferred
to
the
county
that
the
city
resides
in.
H
In
no
event
shall
the
county
be
liable
for
the
remaining
debts
of
the
city
and
any
citizen
of
the
city
or
creditor
May
appeal.
This
decision
with
the
hearing
officer
when
they
have
their
hearing
locally
JD
Cheney's
here
to
talk
about
any
details,
we've
kind
of
beat
this
issue
around
in
the
Senate
and
made
a
couple.
Small
amendments
on
the
floor
feel
like
it's
in
real
good
shape.
Right
now,
so.
E
A
G
No,
no
representative
Bentley,
it
does
not
at
all.
It
just
affects
these
cities
that
have
not
been
that
aren't
cities
anymore.
They
haven't
dissolved
because
a
citizen
won't
pay
a
lawyer
to
go
file
the
suit,
and
this
allows
it's
a
one-time
bill
and
it's
really
gonna.
We
got
it
down
to
I
think
about
seven
or
eight
cities
that
it's
probably
gonna
or
former
cities
that
it's
going
to
impact,
but
nothing
to
do
with
the
ZIP
code
at
all
representative
Bentley.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you.
Chairman.
C
A
D
I
A
A
L
K
Mr
chairman
Centerville
135,
is
a
result
of
the
task
force
that
you
and
I
chaired
over
the
interim
along
with
house
members,
Patrick
Flannery,
Randy,
Bridges
and
Ashley
Lafferty.
We
appreciate
the
hard
work
of
everybody
going
in
on
this.
We
appreciate
the
work
that
all
the
member
groups
put
in
with
this:
the
clerks
associations,
the
fiscal
courts,
the
Realtors
groups,
the
car
dealers,
Bankers.
Everybody
came
together
and
worked
through
this
in
the
interim
and
produced
what
we
think
is
really
good
legislation
going
forward
to
modernize
our
Clerk's
offices.
K
Representative
Meredith,
you
took
House
Bill
284
to
deal
with
the
car
side
of
the
clerk's
office's
dis,
Bill
deals
with
the
land
side
and
allows
for
the
electronic
recordation
of
all
land
records
and
the
electronic
searching
of
all
land
records.
Of
going
back
to
certain
dates
with
certain
Milestones
I
can
go
as
deep
in
the
woods
as
you
want
on
it.
There's
a
25
million
dollar
funding
component
to
this,
that
is
in
the
budget.
I
appreciate
the
the
help
and
support
from
Chairman's
Petrie
and
McDaniel
on
that
and
Senator.
K
L
You
thank
you
Senator,
so
we're
just
really
thankful
for
Senator
Howe,
representative
Meredith
and
all
of
those
who
served
on
the
modernization
task
force.
It
was
a
really
great
opportunity
for
clerks
to
be
involved
in
legislation
in
the
interim
and
to
work
with
all
of
the
partners
that
we
have
coming
out
of
our
offices.
So
it's
it
was
something
that
we
didn't
know
what
to
really
expect
going
into
the
task
force,
but
coming
out
of
it.
L
We're
really
thankful
for
all
the
work
and
for
the
opportunity
to
be
sure
that
all
of
the
stakeholders
that
have
a
piece
of
this
puzzle
were
able
to
be
heard
and
able
to
be
involved
in
the
process.
So
it's
really
we're
really
excited
about
the
the
possibilities
of
what
this
will
bring
forth
in
Kentucky
and
how
we
can
move
forward
in
the
county.
Clerk's
offices,
especially
with
some
of
the
pieces
of
the
puzzle
with
kdla,
and
making
sure
that
there's
money
carved
out
there
for
grants
for
County
clerks.
A
As
well,
motion
from
representative
Fleming,
a
second
from
representative
Bray
I,
think
I
do
have
some
questions.
Representative
Miller
thank.
F
F
3C
talks
about
the
fee
will
be
maintained
in
a
separate
bank
account
and
then
a
little
later
on
it
says
in
in
actually
that
was
B4
and
then
in
C.
It
says
the
monies
accumulated
from
this
fee
shall
be
held
in
perpetuity.
That's
kind
of
an
odd
word
to
be
in
talking
about
money.
I
mean
the
count.
I
can
see.
The
count
might
be
in
last
in
perpetuity,
but
the
money
it
sounds
like
is
can't
be
touched.
K
Me
sure
the
the
intent
on
this
and
Mr
chairman,
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
10
on
that
it
was.
There
was
some
discussion
about
this
ten
dollar
fee.
The
this
fee
is
designated
for
technology
and
Technology,
upkeep
development
and
maintenance.
We
do
things
a
lot
differently
now.
I'm
I've
practiced
long
enough
to
remember
when
microfiche
was
cutting
edge
technology
for
reviewing
our
deeds
and.
K
Sir,
so
we
don't
know
what
the
future
holds
either,
but
there's
a
lot
of
ongoing
maintenance
and
cost
for
keeping
up
with
the
technology
dealing
with
the
online
portals,
and
this
money
is
held
in
a
separate
account
for
that.
In
the
perpetuity
part,
there
were
some
questions
about
whether
the
money
gets
swept
or
not.
This
stays
in
the
account,
as
you
know,
from
your
from
from
your
own
business.
Sometimes
we
don't
spend
any
money
on
technology
and
then
we
have
a
big
buy
and.
E
K
A
Okay
and
representative
Miller,
that
was
in
in
relationship
to
auditor's
office
rulings.
If
you
remember,
we
passed
a
county,
clerk's
fee
increase
Bill
a
few
years
ago
that
included
the
10
permanent
storage
fee.
I.
Think
the
intent
of
the
general
assembly
at
that
time
was
that
that
fee
bu,
specifically
for
clerk's
office,
modernization
and
maintenance.
A
Unfortunately,
it
was
not
clear
clarified
enough
in
that
bill
originally,
and
what
happened
was
the
auditor
said
that
those
fees
had
to
be
turned
over
as
traditional
excess
fees
to
the
county,
which
then
go
into
the
county
general
fund
and
are
not
preserved
to
be
used
for
the
clerk's
office,
ongoing
maintenance
and
modernization?
Okay,
thank
you,
representative.
Roberts.
M
L
L
It
is
not
taking
any
money
away
from
the
libraries,
so
what
this
is
is
there
is
a
grant
program
currently
in
in
process
that
the
county
clerks
has
participated
in
for
many
years,
each
time
that
we
record
there's
a
list
of
documents
that
we
record
Deeds
mortgages
are
included
in
their
title.
Lien
statements
lean
lean
Severance
for
coal,
that
a
dollar
of
that
recording
goes
into
the
Kentucky
Department
of
library
and
archives
money,
so
each
County
Clerk
remits
that
payment
to
kdla
monthly
and
that
money
goes
into
a
grant
program.
L
The
grant
program
historically
has
focused
on
County
Clerk's
offices,
since
we
are
the
sole
source
of
income
for
the
grant
program
in
the
last
several
years.
In
testimony
that
was
given
this
summer,
the
grant
funding
has
significantly
decreased
coming
back
to
the
county,
clerk's
offices.
So
this
ensures
that
that
money
that
only
the
clerks
are
putting
into
the
grant
program
do
come
back
to
the
clerk's
office's
90
percent,
so
they're
still
10
percent
that
can
go
to
other
local
governments.
So
recently,
some
of
the
grants
that
were
awarded
did
not
restore
permanent
records.
L
There
was
Departments
of
police
that
received
some
grant
funding
and
while
their
their
records
are
probably
important,
they
weren't
permanent
records.
Everything
concerning
Deeds
mortgages
and
a
county
clerk's
office
are
permanent
records,
meaning
my
County
started
in
1820
when
it
split
from
Pendleton
and
I'm
responsible
for
the
Deeds
all
the
way
back
to
1820..
So
with
that
responsibility
comes
a
great,
a
great
need
for
funding
to
ensure
that
those
are
preserved,
and
that's
what
that
money
was
is
used
for.
It's
not
something.
L
A
Representative,
initially,
that
fund
had
other
sources
of
income
several
years
back,
but
in
the
the
foregoing
years,
and
currently
the
only
people
funding
that
that
Grant
fund
are
the
county,
clerk's
offices
through
their
recording
fees.
And
so
we
did
want
to
leave
the
opportunity
for
other
organizations
to
have
the
ability
to
dip
into
that
at
the
10
percent
level,
but
get
most
of
that
money
back
to
the
clerks
who
are
funding
it
and
make
sure
that
also
if
there
was
not
enough
clerks
requests
for
funding
that
they
could
fund
other
things
as
well.
A
Another
representative
Lockett.
J
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
my
question
is:
is
on
section
four
of
the
bill
that
talks
about
counties
containing
a
population
of
less
than
70
000
that
are
entitled
to
in
advance,
and
my
assumption
would
be
that
this
would
be
a
significant
portion
of
the
state
that
would
have
counties
under
seventy
thousand
just
just
kind
of
reading.
Reading
through
this,
can
you
summarize
this
section
for
me
in
terms
of
exactly
what
happens
where
the
money
comes
from,
where
it
goes
to
when
it's,
when
it's
paid
back.
L
So
County
Clerk's
budgets
are
really
interesting
in
how
we
start
the
year.
For
example,
my
County
I
don't
fee
pull,
so
that's
a
term.
That's
used
in
county
clerk
world.
That's
not
used
very,
very
regular
anywhere
else
in
the
budget,
but
I
don't
feel
meaning
I.
Don't
the
Fiscal
Court
doesn't
pay
anything
for
my
office,
not
retirement,
not
health
insurance,
not
my
salaries.
My
office
pays
for
everything
except
for
the
light
bill,
but
every
January
I
start
the
year
with
zero.
L
I
have
to
start
every
year
with
a
zero
dollar
bank
account
I
have
to
start
a
new
bank
account
every
year,
because
the
Fiscal
Court
receives
the
excess
fees
from
my
office
at
the
end
of
the
year.
So
starting
2022
at
a
zero
dollar
bank
account
I
have
to
show
the
auditor
a
bank
statement
that
says
zero.
L
Some
counties
are
now
seeing
times
that
it
really
takes
a
lot
of
like
they
have
to
figure
out
how
to
not
work
through
some
of
the
mail
before
the
end
of
the
year
to
try
to
make
ends
meet
when
they
first
come
into
the
new
year
because
they
have
a
payroll.
The
first
couple
days
of
the
year
to
pay
so
this
affords
them
the
opportunity
to
receive
an
advancement,
but
they
do
have
to
pay
it
back
from
that
same
year
fund.
They
can't
dip
into
another
year.
L
They
would
we
March
is
a
huge
month
for
the
county
clerks.
We
have
AG
tag
in
March,
so
I'm
sure
you've
heard
commissional
corals
talk
about
AG
tag.
All
of
our
commercial
trucks
are
due
in
March
campers,
our
regular
March
birthdays.
Once
we
get
over
that
hump
of
March,
then
we're
fine,
but
that
first
start
of
the
year
is
what
that
section
of
the
bill
is
addressing
that
we
start
with
zero
dollars
in
the
bank.
Account.
K
Mr
chairman
could
I
add
to
that
representative
Lockett
in
real
terms,
I've
got
a
couple
of
counties
whose
clerks
will
make
personal
loans
into
to
fund
payroll
for
the
first
couple
of
months
of
their
operation
out
of
their
own
personal
funds,
and
this
keeps
them
from
having
to
do
things
like
that.
By
allowing
it's
a
it's,
it
should
be
labeled
the
cash
flow
measure
in
in
the
in
the
title
of
that.
A
N
J
A
B
A
A
Mr
chairman
House
Bill
590,
just
fixes
something
that
was
created
in
an
October
2021
Supreme
Court
ruling
statute
had
always
given
the
ability
for
jails
to
deduct
money
from
inmates
accounts
to
cover
their
housing
costs.
There
was
a
a
ruling
in
October
of
2021
that
caused
some
problems
with
that.
This
bill
does
continue
to
make
sure
that
inmates
have
rights
in
that.
If
money
is
deducted
from
their
accounts
and
they
are
adjudicated
to
to
be
acquitted
of
those
crimes,
then
those
funds
are
reimbursed
to
them
by
the
jail.
A
The
real
problem
was
that
it
had
to
do
with
an
issue
of
court
orders
being
issued,
and
sometimes
the
court
system
is
certainly
not
as
aware
of
the
fiscal
issues
going
on
in
a
jail
or
in
a
county,
even
though
they're
the
ones
that
are
making
the
the
sentences
or
holding
someone
in
jail
prior
to
a
conviction
and-
and
it's
it's
important
that
counties
and
the
jails
have
the
ability
to
address
those
needs
does
allow
for
a
CPI
increase
in
the
daily
per
diem
in
future
years,
but
everything
else
stays
the
same
as
it
was
in
the
previous
statute.
A
With
regard
to
the
fifty
dollar
product
per
day
per
diem
in
that
in
that
regard,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Jim.
At
this
point
for
further
comments,.
I
Thank
you,
representative.
Again,
I'll
just
go
over
a
little
bit
about
what
he
already
talked
about,
but
pardon
me
this
was
Jones.
The
Supreme
Court
recognized
Kentucky
jails
did
have
the
right
to
deduct
prisoner
expenses
from
prisoner
canteen
accounts
prior
to
sentencing
issuing
reimbursement
orders,
with
the
caveat
that
the
jail
did
have
to
return
the
funds.
If
no
sensing
order
allowing
to
keep
the
funds
issued.
C
I
Think
the
language
that
the
Supreme
Court
had
put
in
their
response
was
pretty
important
and
what
they
have
said
is
they
do
not
dispute
jail,
has
the
right
to
deduct
fees
from
prisoners
canteen
account
if
the
funds
become
available.
However,
any
funds
automatically
deducted
by
a
county
jail
before
an
order
from
a
sentencing
court
must
be
credited
to
the
pardon
me
credit
to
the
ordered
reimbursement
and
if,
as
in
this
case,
which
was
of
course
the
Jones
case,
no
order
from
the
sentencing
court
exist
or
will
ever
exist.
I
The
automatic
deducted
fees
must
be
returned
to
the
former
prisoner,
so
basically
Senate,
Bill,
I'm,
sorry,
House,
Bill
590
is
is
a
cleaning
bill
for
jails
so
that
when
he
representative
Meredith
talked
about
the
courts,
not
knowing,
of
course,
I've
had
much
discussion
with
jailers
from
throughout
the
state
and
and
in
Campbell
County.
We
can
go
to
our
courts
and
they're
amicable
to
issuing
an
order,
whether
it's
a
specific
order
or
whether
it
may
be
an
order
across
the
board
to
pay
all
fees.
That's
not
the
case
in
some
other
jurisdictions.
I
The
good
thing
again
about
House
Bill
590
is
that
if
the
fees
must
be
refunded
to
a
prisoner
if
he
is
not
convicted
of
a
charge
related
to
that
specific
arrest
again,
with
the
exception
of
amounts
owed
to
the
jail
from
prior
visits
from
a
prior
confinements
and
if
they
damage
property
and
those
of
you
that
are
familiar
with
County
government
and
county
jails
a
lot
of
times,
we
have
pretty
substantial
damage
by
the
folks
that
visit
us.
I
So
it
allows
us
to
keep
that
no
matter
what
it
sets
a
maximum
percentage
that
we're
allowed
to
get
and
again,
as
he
said,
it
does
allow
for
the
Consumer
Price
Index
adjustment.
N
Yeah
can
I
have
some
clarity
on
the
where
it
talks
about
the
the
fifty
dollars
a
day.
Is
that
automatically
taken
out
of
folks
as
commentary
every
day?
Is
that
an
everyday
thing,
or
can
you
explain
that.
N
Got
you
and
can
you
can
you
clarify
for
me
like
what,
overall,
what
this
bill
the
intentions
behind
this
bill
is
like
what
is
the
I?
Don't
think
that
I
completely
understand
the
bill
like
what
is
this
bill
trying
to
do
fix
so.
A
We
all
know
that
from
a
fiscal
standpoint,
jails
are
the
largest
expense
of
nearly
every
County
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
That's
a
taxpayer
expense.
If
there's
not
some
reimbursement
coming
in
and
frankly,
judges
are
the
people
who
are
putting
people
behind
bars,
either
to
hold
them
prior
to
conviction
or
after
sentencing.
A
This
just
ensures
that
those
folks
who
are
being
housed
have
a
stake
in
their
in
their
financial
condition
there
if
they
have
additional
funds
sitting
in
their
canteen
accounts
and
again
this
was
common
practice,
I
think
in
jails
throughout
the
state,
the
October
2021
ruling.
That
specifically
said
you
had
to
have
a
court
order
from
the
judge
to
be
able
to
deduct
any
of
those
things
created
a
problem
because
again
the
judge
has
no
Financial
stake
in
any
of
this
whatsoever.
B
If
I
may,
as
a
former
member
of
Fiscal
Court,
we
used
to
we
implemented
that
when
I
was
charging
and
that
any
judge
at
that
time
was
able
to
state
in
the
ruling
that
there's
you
know,
someone
was
Indigent,
they
can't
pay.
I
assume.
That's
still
the
case
here.
A
D
D
E
O
N
Going
to
vote
no
on
this
today,
I
do
know
and
understand
of
the
burden
of
our
local
jail
systems
and
overall
corrections.
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
some
reform
to
take
that
burden
away,
and
so
I
am
going
to
vote
no
on
this
today,
but
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
future.
B
B
M
My
vote
I'm
a
yes
today,
but
I
reserve
the
right
to
change.
My
vote
on
the
house
far
I'd
like
to
learn
some
more
about
this
Bill.
Thank
you.
A
D
I
would
so
next
to
me
today
is
my
page.
This
is
Jasper
Rogers
lives
in
Berea
Goes
to
School
in
Rockcastle,
County
he'll
be
on
the
house
floor
today.
Just
want
to
thank
him
for
being
here.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
just
noticed
looking
at
in
the
audience
that
I
have
a
guest
from
Davis
County
jailer
art
magliner
is
out
there
just
wanted
to
recognize
him
say
hello
and
thanks
for
coming
today,
and
there
may
be
other
jailers
here,
I
don't
know
about,
but
I
do
recognize
him.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I,.
A
Also
do
have
my
Jailer
from
Warren
County
Mr
Stephen
Harmon
here
with
us
today
and
I,
see
Eric
Vaughn
from
Simpson
County
and
several
others
Josh
lindblum
from
Hardin,
County
I,
don't
know
all
of
you
but
I
know
there's
a
good
contingent
from
the
jailers
association
here
today
and
we
welcome
you
all
as
well.
Seeing
no
other
business
before
the
committee
do
I
hear
a
motion
to
adjourn
second,
all
in
favor.