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B
I'm
calling
this
meeting
of
the
senate
standing
committee
on
licensing
and
occupation
to
order
as
a
reminder
to
members.
Please
turn
off
your
microphones
when
you're
speaking
and
be
sure
to
mute
them
when
you're
finished.
If
members
are
attending
by
zoom
and
have
a
question,
please
use
the
chat
function.
The
staff
will
notify
the
chair.
If
you
encounter
any
issues,
please
let
staff
know
so
I
can
assist
you.
We
have
a
full
agenda
to
get
today.
B
We
do
have
a
quorum
representative
pratt.
Welcome
it's
great
to
see
you
introduce
yourselves
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
I
want
to
point
out
to
the
committee
we
have
heard
this
in
during
the
interim
at
least
twice
so
just
after
a
few
words
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
take
a
motion.
Thank.
C
You
chairman
schickel,
thank
you,
members
of
the
committee
of
the
license
to
illon
senate.
I'm
phil
pratt
state
representative,
62nd.
C
179
amends
the
alcohol,
alcohol
regulatory
license.
Legislation
passed
in
2019
senate
bill
29
to
clarify
implementation
dates
and
to
add
that
fee
be
collected
by
counties
if
a
county
contains
a
city
that
authorized
to
impose
the
fee.
Basically,
this
came
about
because
in
scott
county
my
city
can
charge
the
fee.
My
county
can't
charge
a
fee,
it's
a
basically
a
fairness
thing.
My
mayor
really
wants
this
bill.
My
county
really
likes
this
bill
cause.
They
can
see
them
moving
out
to
the
county.
B
E
B
E
Mr
chairman,
and
I
do
thank
you
for
the
interim
and
forgive
the
fact
that
this
has
just
slipped
my
mind
representative
pratt
in
the
bill.
Does
this
allow
the
fees
to
be
raised
retroactively
to
where
there
would
be
some
kind
of
an
additional
collection,
or
is
it
just
because
those
votes
occurred
at
that
period
of
time
referenced
in
the
bill.
D
Senator
there's
no
retroactive
provision.
What
happened
with
senate
bill
29
in
the
2019
session
was
that
there
there
was
before
that
amendment.
Any
county
that
contained
a
former
third
or
fourth
class
city
could
impose
a
regulatory
fee.
The
20,
the
senate
bill
29
language,
said
that
you
had
to
have
a
couldn't
contain
a
county
over
or
a
city
could
not
be
contained
in
the
county
over
20
000
in
population,
so
that
knocked
off
scott
county
hardin
county
and
a
few
of
those
counties
that
otherwise
had
the
authorization
to
impose
the
tax.
D
From
being
able
to
do
so
and
when
scott
county
went
wet,
it
really
raised
the
raised
the
issue
that
the
county
that
would
have
had
the
authority
had
lost
it
because
of
it,
and
then
the
other
provision
of
the
bill
is
related
to
those
those
few
cities
and
counties
that
fall
in
that
date
deadline
with
the
change
where
it
was
intended
to
allow
smaller
cities
and
counties
to
collect
the
tax.
There's
a
two-year
contemporaneous
requirement
for
the
enactment
of
it
and
they
were
not
able
to
meet
that
contemporaneous
requirement.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
just
you
know
this.
This
only
pertains
to
those
who
have
ra
have
gone,
wet
or
had
a
local
option
election
in
in
the
past.
How
many
years.
D
For
for
for
them,
it
would
do
the
window
between
july
15,
2014
and
2018.
C
B
C
B
B
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
will
be
house
bill.
415,
chairman
koenig
is
here,
and
he
has,
I
believe,
several
people
here
to
testify
brian
alvey,
it's
good
to
always
good
to
see.
You
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
put
in
on
this
bill
and
I'm
going
to
let
you
get
right
to
it.
Chairman.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee
house,
bill
415
is
a
the
cleanup
bill
from
last
year's
house
bill
415,
which
allowed
for
direct
shipment
of
alcohol
to
anyone
if,
as
long
as
they
order
from
a
producer-
and
it's
been
active
since
december
15th,
but
there's
obviously
with
a
bill
that
complex
several
things
to
work
out
and
I'm
gonna
pass
it
over
to
my
guest
here
to
introduce
himself
and
tell
you
some
of
the
highlights.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chairman
schickel
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
brian
alvey,
I'm
the
senior
director
of
governmental
affairs
for
kentucky
distillers,
association
and
I'll
get
right
to
it.
You've
heard
us
say
many
times
and
you've
heard
me
testify
last
year
in
how
during
house
bill
415
testimony
that
house
bill
415.
F
This
is
happening
when
I
testified
in
in
front
of
chairman
koenig's
committee.
There
was
about
a
dozen
states
that
are
looking
at
introducing
legislation
for
reciprocity.
Kentucky
is
a
model
that's
up
to
15
states.
Now
we
didn't
really
think
it
would
be
this
quick
that
that
other
states
would
react,
but
it
has
been
and
like
many
pieces
of
the
significant
legislation
there's
always
need
for,
or
there
sometimes
is
need
for
follow-up.
This
is
that
legislation
real
quickly,
because
I
know
brevity
is
our
ally.
F
Mr
chairman,
it
certainly
is
it
is,
is
in
addition
to
the
cleanup
items
of
this
legislation.
One
of
the
very
important
tenets
is
the
measure
is
the
third
party
fulfillment
centers
that
not
only
allow
our
will
make
it
more
efficient
and
allow
our
distilleries
to
use
those
and
utilize
those
going
out.
But,
as
we
talked
to
many
legislators
when
415
was
was
being
considered
last
year,
they
have
constituents
many
constituents
that
want
wine
to
come
in.
F
You
know
we
were
only
one
of
about
five
states
that
didn't
allow
that
now
that
we
do,
this
will
facilitate
that
for
those
fulfillment
centers,
two
other
quick
pieces
that
that
we
wanted
to
highlight-
and
I
know
that
chairman
koenig
is
going
to
highlight
other
pieces-
is
media
samples
and
tasting
for
tasting
contests
and
for
the
media.
This
is
something
that's
very
important
to
our
industry,
because
it
allows
us
to
get
those
samples
out
to
those
folks
that
are
bloggers
or
writers,
taste,
testers
and
such
like
that,
and
we
want
to
stay
competitive.
F
And,
lastly-
or
I
shouldn't
say
lastly,
but
the
last
comment
that
I
want
to
make
is
about
the
ability
for
the
distilleries
to
collect
and
remit
their
own
taxes.
This
is
something
that
gives
us
parity.
You
all
did
that
for
the
brewers
and
we
applauded
that
a
couple
of
years
back,
but
that
gives
us
parity,
and
we
appreciate
that.
F
You
know
on
behalf
of
our
the
50
distilleries
that
are
in
support
at
least
50
distilleries
that
are
in
support
of
this,
and
we
employ
over
20
000
folks
and
right
now,
that's
very
important,
and
this
piece
of
legislation
is
going
to
help
us
continue
to
address
consumer
demand
as
it
relates
to
direct
to
consumer
shipping
and-
and
we
really
appreciate
chairman
koenig,
bringing
the
legislation.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it
if
I
may
make.
G
Thank
you
on
the
remittance
of
taxes.
It's
important
in
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
put
more
money
into
the
state
coffers
without
raising
taxes.
The
the
wholesalers
were
are
eligible
to
take
one
percent
of
that
which
they
will
continue
to
do
on
things
they
actually
move,
but
for
things
they
don't
touch.
The
distillers
will
remit
those
taxes,
so
that'll
generate
more
money
to
help
with
enforcement.
We're
requiring
out-of-state
manufacturers
to
provide
a
current
copy
of
their
state
license.
G
So
abc
knows
its
current
and
in
good
standing
with
its
own
state
gives
full
faith
and
credit
to
another
state's
recognition
of
a
winery
or
distillery
use
the
kentucky's
secretary
of
state
as
its
registered
agent
for
service
process
and
requires
registration
with
the
department
of
revenue
for
tax
collection
purposes,
and
we
also
eliminate
a
old
statute
that
presumes
that
if
you
have
more
than
three
gallons
of
alcohol
in
your
home,
you
must
be
selling
it.
G
I
don't
want
anybody
on
this
committee
to
get
in
trouble
and
have
to
get
a
retailer's
license,
have
a
bourbon
collection
so,
and
let
me
just
say
that
I
want
to
also
thank
staff
to
your
left
senator,
who
spent
a
lot
of
time,
helping
us
work
through
this
bill
and
did
an
excellent
job.
B
B
We
do
have
a
couple
questions
or
comments,
but
before
we
get
to
those,
I'm
especially
happy-
and
I
know-
there's
other
members
of
this
committee
are
especially
happy
as
well
as
members
of
the
public
to
hear
that
the
wine-
and
I
I
don't
know
about
all
the
technicalities
of
it,
but
the
bottom
line
is.
Is
we
hear
a
lot
from
constituents
who
want
to
ship
in
wine
when
they
go
on
vacation
and
has
have
not
been
able
to
do
that?
B
So
I
appreciate
my
heart
good
to
hear
the
distillers
association
looking
out
for
the
wine
folks
we're
all
in
this
together
and.
E
B
You,
mr
chairman,
for
taking
care
of
that,
because
that
has
been
a
glitch
that
ever
since
I've
been
chairman
that
this
committee,
so
hopefully
finally
we
got
that
worked
out
and
we
can
report
back
to
our
constituents.
I
know
senator
max
wise
will
be
elated
to
hear
that
the
floor
now
will
recognize
senator
higdon.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
chairman
koenig
and
chairman
shiko
beau.
Thank
you
all
for
working
on
this
bill.
It's
you.
I
know
you
did
a
lot
of
work
on
this
to
all
the
interested
parties
and
you
know
typically
on
a
bill
like
this.
We
get
a
lot
of
emails
and
and
this
one's
been
very
quiet
and
and
all
the
all
the
emails
are
in
support
of
it.
So
I
appreciate.
C
You've
done
on
this
bill.
I
appreciate
that
one
question
I
did
have
on
fulfillment
centers.
Yes,
I
noticed
you
know
you
chose
not
to
license
them.
Could
you
just
touch
base
with
me
what
what
the
thinking
was
on
on
that?
Please.
G
It
seemed
like
an
extra
level
of
bureaucracy
and
and
unnecessary
expenses
to
the
to
the
folks
who
you
know
want
to
purchase
these
products.
The
individual
or
the
producer
using
the
fulfillment
center
is
responsible
for
any
problems
and
would
probably
actually
be
eligible
if
they're,
using
someone
who's
misbehaving
to
lose
their
license
to
be
able
to
ship
it's.
G
It
is
the
common
practice
in
a
lot
of
these
california,
and
probably
even
washington,
wineries
to
use
fulfillment
centers,
because
these
folks,
these
producers,
just
they
just
want
to
make
wine,
they
don't
want
to
be
in
the
in
the
logistics
business.
So
I
I
don't.
I've
heard
very
little
feedback
as
to
it,
causing
any
issues
with.
Thank
you.
There
you
go.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
directly
to
your
point
earlier,
chairman
koenig,
so
right
now
in
kentucky,
can
you
have
wine
shipped
to
you
from
a
vineyard?
Yes,
so
everything's
in
place
everything's
in
place
all
right.
That's
all
I
wanted
to
know.
Thank
you
absolutely
thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
chairman,
mr
alvi.
Thank
you.
It's
like
deja
vu
all
over
again
right.
Yes,
you
even
even
branded
it
as
house
bill.
415
nice
nicely
done.
Thank
you.
I
I
regret
that
we
we
have
to
do
this.
I
I
wish
abc
would
have
been
a
little
bit
more
cooperative
in
following
the
intent
of
the
legislature
in
promulgating
regulations
to
get
this
off
the
mark,
but
I
appreciate
your
hard
work
in
bringing
it
forward
today.
E
E
I
also
want
to
thank
you
and
for
for
adding
the
malt
beverage
rectifier
language,
I'm
told
it
could
mean
40
jobs
right
off
the
bat
at
the
glenmore
distillery
in
owensboro
and
right
now,
anything
we
can
do
to
add
jobs
in
our
in
our
signature.
Industries
in
particular
something
I'm
always
going
to
be
for
the
popularity
of
malt
beverages
is
going
through.
The
roof
doesn't
do
much
for
me,
but
you
know
those
people
who
are
in
the
business
want
to
make
sure
that
they
can
diversify
and
expand
their
portfolios.
E
B
H
B
B
B
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
220
is,
is
really
a
simple
bill.
Funeral
directors
and
embalmers
are
having
budgetary
issues
and
they
would
like
to
change
their
ability
to
charge
fees
from
statute
to
regulation,
which
is.
B
Thank
you,
entertainment
motion
motion.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
what
this
does
is
takes
the
fees
out
of
statute
and
lets
them
put
them
in
regulation
right,
yes,
okay,
any
questions,
four
against
this.
B
B
B
House,
bill,
220
or
house
bill
yeah
220
is
passed
with
a
favorable
expression
that
same
should
pass.
I
have
a
motion
for
consent
by
senator
thayer
who
made
the
second
okay
second
by
vice
chairman
howe,
all
those
in
so
favor
use
the
voting
sign
of
yay
or
I
thank
you
all
those
opposed
say
no
very
well.
It
will
be
placed
on
consent.
Thank
you,
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members,
committee,
you're,
very.
B
B
The
last
thing
on
the
agenda
is
house
bill.
38
vice
chair
howe
we'll
be
presenting
that
it's
an
act
relating
to
the
sec,
psychological
inter-jurisdictional
compact
by
senator
walker,
thomas,
I'm,
sorry,
senator
halby,
explain
the
sub.
Welcome
representative
walker,
thomas
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
C
C
Howe
thank.
B
C
Mr
chairman,
this
committee
sub
leaves
most
of
it
intact
and
it
is
make
some
some
adjustments
to
the
bill
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
audiology
compact
to
keep
control
for.
B
Things
that
we
want
to
keep
control
with
here-
and
I
want
to
thank
you,
mr
vice
chair,
for
your
attention
to
this.
As
you
know,
as
all
compacts
which
come
through
this
committee,
it's
very
important
that
we
do
maintain
our
state
jurisdiction
as
much
as
possible
on
it.
This
is
something
senator
gibbons
start
something
senator
gibbons
started
years
ago
and
I've
tried
to
be
attentive
to
it,
and
I
appreciate
you
being
attentive
to
it.
Do
you
have
a
motion
on
the
sub
vice
chair?
How
we
have
a
motion?
B
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
not
going
to
you
all
are
very
well
of
compacts.
This
is
well
needed
with
especially
with
covid
this
last
year.
This
just
broadens
the
spectrum
for
psychologists
to
be
able
to
practice
in
multi-jurisdictions
as
long
as
they're
part
of
this
compact.
So
I'm
going
to
defer,
because
I
have
some
resident
experts
up
on
cyber
world
up
there,
including
the
guru
of
compacts
rick
masters,
dr
sheila
schutzer,
is
out
there.
C
I
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
chairman
schickel,
and
thank
you
committee
members.
It's
good
to
be
with
you
this
morning,
I'm
lisa
wilner
representative
from
the
35th
house
district
in
jefferson
county
and
I'm
also
a
licensed
psychologist
and
the
former
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
psychological
association,
which
you
know,
makes
shula
shuster
my
favorite
as
well,
and
I
want
to
thank
representative
thomas
for
this
good
bipartisan
bill
for
working
in
a
bipartisan
way
and
for
bringing
psychologists
to
the
table.
I
B
That's
that
would
be
fine
and
doctor.
I
want
to
apologize
to
you
for
cutting
you
off.
I
apologize
for
that.
Dr
rush
welcome.
C
Thank
you
again,
I'm
dr
eric
russ
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
psychological
association,
I'm
a
licensed
clinical
psychologist
and
fellow
member
of
the
sheila
shuster
fan
club.
C
So
thanks
chairman
schickel
and
vice
chair,
howell
I'll
try
to
be
quick,
but
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
talk
about.
I
want
to
thank
representative
thomas
and
representative
wilner
for
their
efforts
on
this
okay.
C
Fair
enough,
so
cypact
is
an
interstate
compact.
Again
sounds
like
you
all
are
familiar
with
those
provides
for
the
ethical
and
legal
practice
of
telepsychology
reduces
regulatory
barriers
and
will
increase
access
to
psychology
for
folks
in
kentucky.
B
Boy
now
that
was
good,
okay,
anyone
else
on
remotely
that
has
anything
to
say,
dr
schuster,
I
just
want.
E
You,
mr
chairman,
on
you
guys
on
page
30
paragraph
one:
we
talk
about
the
executive
legislative
judicial
branch
of
state
government,
take
all
actions
to
protect
the
compact,
but
then
the
second
sentence
says
the
provisions
of
this
compact
and
the
rules
promulgated
here
under
shall
have
standing
as
statutory
law.
It's
my
understanding.
I
might
be
completely
off
in
this,
but
I
thought
that
regulations
were
administrative
law
and
that
only
the
laws
we
passed
were
actual
statutes.
So
are
we
raising
the
regulatory,
the
administrative
regs
to
give
them
the
force
of
law?
E
C
C
J
Yes,
sir,
this
is
rick
masters,
I'm
special
counsel
for
interstate
compacts,
respect
to
the
national
center
for
interstate
compacts
of
the
council,
state
governments
and
have
testified
many
times
before
this
committee.
With
regard
to
interstate
compacts-
and
I
I
am
simply
clarifying
that
this
provision
is
very
similar
to
what
has
been
included
in
both
the
medical,
licensure
compact,
the
nurse
licensure
compact
and
the
pt
compact,
and
it's
simply
the
administrative
law
principle.
J
So
administrative
regulations
generally
are
held
to
have
the
the
weight
of
state
law
as
long
as
they
are
consistent
and
within
the
authority
granted
under
the
compact
statute,
and
the
only
authority
granted
under
this
one
is
to
oversee
and
help
administer
the
interstate
relationships
that
are
created
under
this
compact
to
make
sure
that
these
licenses
are
being
properly
vetted
and
that
they
are
being
issued.
Based
on
the
qualifications
that
have
been
vetted
by
each
state,
including
kentucky
to
make
sure
that
that
qualified
persons
are
participating
in
interstate
practice.
B
Thank
you,
counselor
senator
mcdaniel.
Did
you
have
a
follow-up
chair
recognizes
senator
buford.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
it
rick
masters,
you
may
be
the
the
best
source
on
this.
I've
done
interstate
compacts
before
and
held
them
and
carried
them
and
sponsored
them,
and
we
had
always
been
told
that
if
we
made
any
change
in
language,
we
would
nullify
our
interstate
compact
with
other
states.
C
J
Yes,
yes,
senator
buford
and
good
to
see
you,
yes,
I
I
I
vetted
all
of
this,
and
in
fact
I
met
with
senator
gibbons
several
years
ago,
as
we
went
through
some
of
these
some
of
these
changes.
J
In
fact,
most
of
the
differences
are
with
regard
to
monitoring
rulemaking
by
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
and
I'm
okay
with
that
language,
and
I
think
that
the
senator
has
has
senator
gibbons
has
assisted
in
making
sure
that
there
is
monitoring
going
on,
but
it's
not
at
odds
with
the
way
the
other
states
are
engaging
in
this
rule-making
process.
Thank.
C
H
I
didn't
have
a
question,
mr
chair,
but
I
think
senator
mcdaniel's
question
is
well
taken
in
disrespect
and
that's
why
the
language
is
confusing.
Administrative
regulations
are
law.
He
is
correct
about
that,
but
they're,
not
statutory
law,
administrative
rigs
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
statutory
law.
So
I
think
the
way
it's
wrote
it
is
a
bit
confusing.
It
might
be
better
to
say
that
the
two
combined
have
standing
as
long.
I
think
that's
probably
a
better
phrase.
J
Well,
mr
chair,
we
we
we
have
no
objection
if
the
committee
wants
to
add
a
clarification
that
certainly
we're
we're
simply
stating
here
that
regulations
as
as
duly
promulgated
under
the
statute
have
the
force
of
law.
I
would
have
no.
B
B
B
B
Thank
you
vice
chair
howe.
Is
there
a
second
second
fair,
thomas?
Okay,
let
the
record
reflect
all
those
in
for
in
favor
of
consent,
use
voting
son
of
eye
anyone
post
like
sign.
It
is
also
placed
on
consent
very
well
there
being
no
further
business.
Does
anyone
have
anything
they
want
to
bring
up
before
we
adjourn?
This
may
be
our
last.
I
think
it
is
our
last
official
meeting.