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B
B
D
A
I
will
remember
how
to
pronounce
that
from
here
on
out
again
like
to
welcome
everyone
here
and
just
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
this
task
force
on
staffing.
A
This
task
force
shall
study
all
aspects
of
early
childhood
caregiving
and
educational
structures
and
operations,
including,
but
not
limited
to
finances,
licensure
and
certifications,
workforce,
state
and
federal
laws
and
regulations,
capacity,
quality,
community
education
and
economic
factors
and
parent
satisfaction.
A
Additionally,
the
task
force
shall
research
and
review
various
delivery
models
of
early
childhood
education
and,
as
I
said,
there
are
a
lot
of
layers
to
this
and
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
have
a
systematic
approach
to
this
and
really
look
into
all
the
issues
in
depth.
Look
at
what
other
states
are
doing.
A
A
So
I
think
it's
only
prudent
that
we
do
take
a
look
at
that,
but
you
know,
and
we'll
also
really
look
closely
at
the
mixed
delivery
model
and
all
the
components
of
that
as
we
move
forward,
we'll
look
at
workforce
issues,
sustainability
and
we'll
also
spend
some
time
on
early
childhood
education
for
special
needs,
kids,
what's
going
on
in
the
state
with
that
and
what
programs
are
available
and
what
we
can
do
better
in
that
area.
D
Thank
you
co-chair
carol,
I'm
so
excited
to
be
on
this.
I
became
actively
engaged
in
this
conversation
last
summer
whenever
I
had
a
constituent
come
to
me
asking
what
we
could
do
for
child
care,
and
I
pulled
in
the
kentucky
state
chamber
and
metro
united
way
and
we
started
having
the
conversations
with
a
small
working
group.
Earlier
last
year,
probably
I
saw
a
quote
from
a
dear
friend
on
facebook.
D
Not
many
good
things
come
from
facebook,
but
this
quote
really
did
tommy
jordan
posted
a
quote
by
desmond
tutu,
and
he
said
there
comes
a
point
where
we
need
to
stop
just
pulling
people
out
of
the
river.
We
need
to
go
upstream
and
find
out
why
they
are
falling
in
and
something
has
really
struck
with
me
as
I'm
looking
at
policy
and
trying
to
make
decisions,
and
so
I
come
from
child
care
with
a
workforce
participation
perspective,
and
so
I
started
looking
at
why?
D
D
But
I'm
really
looking
forward
senator
carol
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
great
conversations
about
this,
and
I
think
it's
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
be
able
to
address
a
lot
of
things
and
talk
about
a
lot
of
things,
but
have
some
hard
conversations
and,
as
we
know,
good
policy
comes
from
hard.
D
A
Very
good,
and
and
for
the
the
folks
that
are
here
in
the
audience
and
those
who
may
be
monitoring
on
on
tv
are
planned
from
from
after
this
meeting
moving
forward,
we'll
be
moving
to
a
larger
room
and
the
setup
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different.
A
A
I
know
enough
to
get
myself
in
trouble
sometimes,
but
I
have
learned
a
lot
over
the
years,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
rely
on
experts,
so
in
the
as
we
move
forward,
we'll
have
tables
set
up
in
the
room
and
we'll
be
contacting
different
entities,
mainly
those
that
were
listed
on
the
original
resolution,
and
we
will
invite
representatives
from
these
various
organizations
to
sit
at
the
table.
A
You
know
we'll
have
questions
from
the
the
the
task
force
seated
here
in
front,
but
we
will
also
allow
questions
from
other
entities
that
are
represented
and
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
approach
it
to
utilize
the
expertise
from
all
different
facets
of
this
issue
and
the
different
approaches,
the
different
views
that
each
organization
might
have.
So
that's
kind
of
the
compromise
with
the
the
current
task
force
structure
within
the
legislature.
A
A
But
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
hear
from
providers
that
are
are
there
every
day
who
have
ideas
on
what
can
make
them
more
successful
and
allow
them
to
grow,
to
expand
and
in
all
the
other,
different
areas
that
we
have
with.
That
being
said,
I
would
like
to
introduce
dr
sarah
van
over
to
come
to
the
table
and
for
us
to
plan
where
we're
going.
We've
got
to
know
where
we
are
and
that's
what
today
is
about.
I
think
all
of
you
are
familiar
with
dr
van
over.
A
A
She
will
be
seated
after
this
meeting
during
the
other
meetings
will
be
seated
up
here
with
us
and
will
be
very
intimately
involved
in
the
process
as
we
move
forward,
and
the
goal,
as
you
all
are
aware,
is
to
have
policy
recommendations,
and
I
fully
anticipate
the
next
session.
We
will
be
filing
legislation
that
will
change
the
face
of
child
care
and
early
childhood
education
within
this
commonwealth.
C
Sarah,
with
kentucky
youth
advocates,
I'm
dr
sarah
van
over
with
kentucky
youth
advocates.
B
B
We
just
want
to
before
we
dive
into
the
deeper
set
of
issues
that
we
face
with
early
child
early
childhood
just
wanted
to
say
that
this
system
is
essentially
creates
a
win
for
parents
to
work,
a
win
for
children
and
setting
them
up
for
success
in
school,
but
also
a
win
for
kentucky's
economy
and
I'll.
Let
sarah
kind
of
dive
into
that,
but
also
I
just
wanted
to
share
who
kentucky
youth
advocates
is,
if
you
don't
know
so,
for
more
than
40
years,
kya
has
been
the
non-partisan,
independent
voice
for
kids.
B
Our
vision
is
to
make
kentucky
the
best
place
to
be
young,
and
kentucky
youth
advocates
believes
that
all
children
deserve
to
be
safe,
healthy
and
secure.
We
work
with
policy
makers
such
as
yourselves
to
create
investments
and
policies
that
are
good
for
kids.
We
also
like
to
call
ourselves
the
data
geeks
for
kids,
so
every
year
we
put
out
what
we
call
the
kentucky
kids
count
county
data
book.
B
That
shows
how
kids
are
faring
and
solutions
to
tackle
really
as
a
commonwealth,
and
so
lastly,
I
will
just
say
that
we've
been
supportive
of
state
and
federal
policies
that
really
build
up
child
care,
whether
it's
affordability,
high
quality
or
just
giving
local
communities
the
autonomy
to
make
sure
that
this
the
structure
survives,
and
so
we
just
want
to
take
a
second
to
applaud
the
leadership
that
senator
carroll
representative,
hevron,
representative
raymond
and
others
within
this
legislative
body
have
continued
to
work
on.
C
So
this
is
my
contact
information
with
kentucky
youth
advocates,
but
I
also
want
to
tell
you
how
I
came
to
the
field
of
early
childhood.
I've
worked
in
early
childhood
education
for
24
years
now,
and
in
that
time
period
I've
worked
in
the
private
school
system.
I've
worked
for
head
start,
I've
worked
for
public
school
preschool
and
I've
worked
in
child
care
programs,
both
as
a
teacher
and
director.
C
So
so
during
that
expanse
of
time,
I've
gotten
to
see
how
all
those
programs
work
and
they
they
all
work
pretty
differently.
Some
of
them
are
much
more
complicated
to
understand.
I
don't
think
anybody
fully
understands
head
start
until
they
have
worked
in
head
start,
but
child
care,
public,
school
preschool
and
head
start
all
serve
huge
purposes
throughout
the
state
and
are
really
integral
parts
of
our
system.
C
So
when
you
think
about
early
childhood
education
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
especially
education
and
care,
we
have
really
five
pillars
that
that
we
think
about
that.
Are
that
have
a
huge
impact
on
our
kids.
Those
include
hands.
First,
steps
head
start
public,
school,
pre-k
and
child
care,
and
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
those
so
that
you
understand
some
of
the
nuances.
As
far
as
the
differences
go.
C
It
starts
during
prenatal
care
so
that
mothers
who
might
need
parent
education
on
how
to
care
for
their
babies
once
they're
born,
can
start
to
get
that
care
at
a
at
a
young
age,
so
families,
enroll
and
really
the
hands
worker
helps
to
interact
with
the
kids,
but
also
to
model
to
the
parents
how
to
interact
with
their
children
and
it's
a
starting
point
for
learning
within
the
home,
as
well
as
to
help
the
baby
develop.
C
Another
infant
toddler
program
that
we
will
have
throughout
the
state
is
the
first
steps
early
intervention
program.
This
is
an
amazing
program.
I
can
say
that
we
have
been
a
participant
in
this
program.
In
my
home.
It
is
special
education
starting
off
from
birth
to
three
years
of
age.
If
a
child
is
showing
slow
development
in
one
or
more
areas
of
development,
then
they
would
have
a
speech
pathologist,
a
physical
therapist,
developmental,
interventionist
or
occupational
therapist
that
can
come
and
work
with
them
in
their
natural
environment.
C
C
C
This
program
offers
amazing
wrap
around
services.
The
support
that
these
families
get
is
just
fabulous.
Children
get
medical
screenings,
they
get
vision
and
dental
screenings.
If
they
don't
have
a
winter
coat,
they
will
make
sure
that
they
get
the
child
a
winter
coat
infants
if
the
family
has
difficulty
getting
diapers
and
formula.
The
program
provides
this
to
help
families
that
are
living
in
poverty
and
to
make
sure
that
these
children
have
a
good
start
and
can
continue
to
be
successful
and
develop
at
a
great
pace.
C
C
C
C
Most
children
that
are
enrolled
in
this
program
and
that
have
every
adult
in
the
home
working
often
have
to
go
to
an
independent
child
care
program
after
public
school
preschool
in
order
to
get
a
sustained
day
of
care.
Now,
the
challenge
can
be
that
the
public
school
preschool
staff
are
trained
special
educators.
C
The
same
way
that
the
public
school
system
does
many
children
with
disabilities
need
extra
adults
in
the
classroom
or
extra
therapy
supports
and
our
child
care
programs.
Many
times
are
operating
on
the
maximum
amount
of
children
in
the
room
per
adult
in
order
to
pay
their
bills
or
they,
the
the
teachers,
may
be
very
overwhelmed
by
negative
behaviors
that
surface
from
a
child
who
has
autism
or
a
child
with
a
speech
delay
who
may
be
aggressive
in
order
to
get
their
point
across,
so
we're
supporting
children
in
an
amazing
way.
C
For
three
hours
a
day.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
to
support
our
kiddos
the
rest
of
the
day
and
then
child
care
programs,
and
I'm
going
to
focus
a
little
bit
more
on
independent
child
care
programs
for
the
rest
of
our
meeting.
But
we
have
approximately
2
000
independent
child
care
programs
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
These
are
small
businesses,
small
businesses
that
focus
on
on
human
capital,
helping
children,
the
teachers
are
there
to
support
the
children
to
care
for
them
to
educate
them,
to
help
them,
learn
social
interactions
and
they
are
set.
C
They
have
a
set
minimum
level
of
standard
by
the
state.
However,
there
are
accrediting
bodies
that
raise
those
standards
that
centers
choose
to
participate
in
and
many
small
businesses,
because
they
are
competitive,
want
their
standards
to
be
higher
than
their
competitors,
so
that
people
will
see
what
kind
of
program
that
they
run,
that
they
are
serving
these
children
in
the
best
way
possible.
So
we
have
the
minimum
set
and
then
programs
move
up
from
there.
C
C
These
programs
can
be
full
day
and
part
day
for
children
up
through
13.,
and
the
major
funding
piece
for
child
care
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
Is
the
parents
paying
privately
out
of
out
of
their
own
expenses?
However,
we
do
have
the
child
care
assistance
program
in
kentucky
that
supports
anywhere
from
13
to
15
percent
of
the
children
enrolled
in
in
some
way
in
different
levels
of
payment
throughout
the
state.
C
A
Dr
van
over
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
the
public
pre-k
and
the
funding
related
to
that,
and
I
don't
know
how
in-depth
you
want
to
or
can
get
into
this,
but
help
help
me
understand
better
how
that
works
and
and
the
the
financial
requirement.
C
So
the
kentucky
education
regulations
say
that
if
a
child
qualifies
for
public
school
preschool,
if
they
meet
that
financial
risk
or
if
they
qualify
for
having
an
iep
an
individual
education
plan
at
the
age
of
three
and
four,
then
the
the
county
is
obligated
to
find
them
a
spot,
and
so
we've
seen
counties
that
have
expanded
rapidly.
I
know
I
taught
in
the
clark
county
public
school
system
when
I
taught
public
school
preschool
and
in
one
year
in
2004
and
2005,
we
went
from
like
three
public
school
preschool
classrooms
to
15.
C
So
if
there's
an
occupational
therapist
that
visits,
then
it
would
probably
be
the
ot
that
works
with
the
school
and
they
would
come
and
visit
the
children
that
have
that
in
their
individual
education
plan,
so
predominantly
the
cost
and
what
the
school
is
providing
is
space
on
the
campus,
the
facility
and
the
the
teacher,
the
para
educator
and
then
access
to
the
school's
main
resources
like
special
education
teachers.
Typically,
this
is
in
the
three
to
four
thousand
dollar
range
per
child,
but
that
is
information
that
I
would
need
to
double
check.
C
I
do
not
have
an
exact
estimate
on
that,
so
we
can
definitely
look
look
that
up
for
you
just
because
it's
half
day
compared
to
other
children.
C
Most
schools
do
not
have
after
school
care
on
site
for
our
pre-k
children,
because
they
do
not
want
the
three
and
four-year-olds
to
be
combined
with
third,
fourth
and
fifth
graders,
who
are
much
larger,
more
mature
children.
So
typically,
there's
not
those
services
offered
and
and
children
would
leave,
be
picked
up
and
by
a
parent
or
transported
to
another
facility
or
go
to
another
facility
by
bus.
Something
of
that
nature.
A
C
When
I
taught
in
clark
county,
I
know
that
it
was
funded
half
day,
but
we
actually
charged
a
fee
for
children
to
stay
the
remainder
of
the
day
to
extend
that
care
through
the
normal
school
day,
hours
to
2
45
or
whenever
the
the
public
school
day
ended.
But
again
you
get
into,
can
the
can
the
school
fund
afford
that
and
how
the
district
wants
to
handle
it.
Public
school
preschool
programs
are
typical,
typically
not
licensed
through
child
care,
but
they
have
the
ability
to
do
so.
C
Some
public
school
preschool
classrooms
in
kentucky
also
have
a
child
care
license.
When
that
happens,
they
can
also
tap
into
the
child
care
assistance
program
and
utilize
that
also
for
children
who
are
in
low
income
and
can
help
fund
that
extended
day.
Others
partner
with
head
start,
and
they
typically
would
have
one
head
start
teacher
and
one
public
school
preschool
teacher
in
the
classroom,
and
then
they
can
utilize.
Both
public
school
funds
and
head
start
funds
to
extend
the
day
as
well.
C
So
there's
some
different
braiding
and
funds
that
can
occur
in
order
for
that
to
happen.
It's
very
hard
for
public
school
preschool
and
child
care
to
meet
the
the
same
requirements,
because
the
public
school
preschool
teacher
requirements
are
so
much
more
complicated,
but
head
start
and
public
school
preschool
blend
together
quite
often
because
their
teacher
education
requirements
are
more
similar
and
many
of
their
practices
are
very
similar.
As
far
as
the
requirements
for
the
state
and
the
federal
level.
D
Thank
you
all.
I
was
asking
if
you
could
briefly
tell
us
how
many
kids
are
touched
by
each
of
those
five
big
components
that
you've
mentioned
and
then
how
many
of
kentucky's
kids
are
in
child
care
versus
stay
at
home
until
they
go
to
public.
C
School,
I
do
not
have
exact
numbers
for
all
programs.
Again,
I
can
pull
those
for
you.
I
can
tell
you
that,
with
child
care,
there's
a
maximum
capacity
in
the
state
of
slots
of
158
264
slots.
Now
let
me
say
that
slots
does
not
mean
enrollment,
because
many
programs
say
a
building
is
licensed
for
80
children.
That's
the
physical
space
that
we
say
maximum
of
80
children
can
be
allowed
here,
but
a
lot
of
programs.
C
If
they
move
up
an
accreditation
level,
they
might
go
from
one
adult
being
able
to
watch
ten
two-year-olds,
which
is
not
for
the
faint
of
heart.
They
might
change
that
to
one
adult
watching
six
two-year-olds
at
the
national
accreditation
level,
and
so
then
they
lose
part
of
those
slots
and
potential
income,
but
are
running
a
higher
quality
program.
C
The
other
thing
that
we
see
right
now
that
is
happening
quite
frequently,
is
that
although
we
have
that
maximum
capacity
of
158
000
plus
many
centers
have
one
to
two
classrooms
closed
because
of
a
staffing
shortage,
that's
happening
nationwide
and
so
a
center
that
could
have
150.
Students
may
have
two
to
three
classrooms
closed
and
that
can
vastly
change
the
number
of
children
that
can
potentially
be
enrolled.
C
So
so
that
has
a
large
impact
as
well.
I
will
say
that
our
zero
to
three
programs
naturally
have
much
smaller
enrollment
just
because
the
individualized
care
that
they
they
offer.
So
when
you
look
at
like
a
head
start
classroom
versus
an
early
head
start
classroom,
you
can
have
a
one
to
ten
adult
to
child
ratio
and
a
head
start
classroom
maximum
of
20
children
in
the
classroom.
An
early
head
start
classroom
for
children.
C
If
you
will
look
at
the
state
of
kentucky
child
care
fact
sheet
that
we
sent
out
to
you,
you
can
get
a
little
idea
of
some
of
the
numbers
that
we're
looking
at.
I
will
say
that,
of
course,
everyone
lost
capacity
slots
every
state
throughout
the
u.s
lost
capacity
slots.
During
the
pandemic.
There
are
centers
that
had
to
close
down.
C
The
national
association
for
the
education
of
young
children
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic
predicted
up
to
40
percent
loss
of
child
care
programs
throughout
the
u.s,
based
on
what
providers
told
them
financially
they
could
endure.
So
kentucky
lost
nine
percent.
We
are
back
up
to
about
95.7
percent
of
slots,
because
new
programs
have
begun
to
reopen
with
additional
funds
that
have
been
offered
for
startups
and
and
different
things
of
that
nature.
C
Most
of
the
slots
in
the
state
of
kentucky
are
in
centers.
Kentucky
is
very
heavily
center-based,
where
some
states
might
have
closer
to
50
percent,
center-based
and
50
family
child
care
homes,
where
about
97
of
our
slots
are
in
centers,
because
you
think
bang
for
your
buck.
I
mean
you
have
a
center
where
you
can
put
150
children
at
one
time
that
that
serves
a
lot
of
people
and
particularly
in
metropolitan
areas.
More
urban
areas.
C
Families
are
very
close
together.
They
can
utilize
those
centers,
whereas
families
in
our
more
rural
areas,
usually
lean
on
family
child
care
homes
a
little
bit
more
because
the
families
are
spaced
further
away.
It's
hard
for
a
large
number
of
families
to
travel
to
one
center
and-
and
it
may
just
be
the
culture
within
communities.
C
That
sheet
also
breaks
down
the
types
of
child
care
between
the
different
types
of
family,
child
care
homes,
and
really
it's
just
about
numbers.
The
largest
family
childcare
homes
can
keep
up
to
12
children,
whereas
the
smallest
have
under
three.
So
there's
some
differentiation
there,
our
centers
vary
anywhere
from
12
children,
maybe
to
we
have
programs
licensed
for
over
300
in
the
state
of
kentucky
a
lot
of
times.
C
Those
are
after
school
programs
in
in
elementary
schools
that
keep
a
large
amount
of
children
for
a
short
amount
of
time
during
the
day,
and
you
can
also
see
on
that
sheet.
The
map
of
kentucky
that
shows
the
availability
and
access
of
child
care
throughout
the
state.
Senator
carroll
mentioned
child
care
deserts
throughout
the
state.
Deserts
would
be
areas
where
child
care
is
not
accessible
for
all
families
that
are
looking
for
care.
C
It's
important
to
remember
that
not
every
family
in
every
county
is
looking
for
child
care.
So
when
we
talk
about
one
slot,
you
know
three
children
for
every
one
slot
that
may
be
the
only
number
of
children
looking
for
a
slot
in
that
county.
C
We
have
counties
that
have
much
greater
needs
and
other
families
that
might
be
there
may
be
more
families
where
one
parent
is
staying
home
to
care
for
children,
so
it
varies
based
on
the
county.
What
the
the
needs
are,
but
you
can
definitely
tell
that
we
have
counties
that
are
much
more
in
need
than
others.
C
C
C
I
live
in
fayette
county
and
there
are
parts
of
fayette
county
that
in
my
neighborhood
I
could
drive
to
five
child
care
programs
within
10
minutes
and
the
opposite
side
of
fayette
county
near
hamburg
has
almost
no
child
care
programs,
even
though
it
it's
an
area
populated
with
businesses,
they
could
be
successful,
but
it's
never
been
an
area
that
developed
child
care,
so
communities
within
a
county
can
still
be
a
loss,
even
though
they
aren't
listed
on
this
map
of
of
being
at
a
loss.
Yes,.
E
On
public
preschool
or
pre-k,
I
guess
I
should
say
it
says:
students
who
qualify.
Obviously,
you
know
the
160
of
the
federal
poverty
that
you
know
that's
pretty
standard
but
with
disabilities
like
is
that
a
pediatrician
that
you
know,
diagnoses
them
or
does
the
family
have
to
you
know,
take
the
steps
to
to
get
their
child
somewhere
where
they're,
where
they're
diagnosed,
I
know
some.
You
know
some
disabilities
are
easier
to,
I
guess
diagnosed
than
others,
but
I
mean
how
do
you?
How
is
that
standard
met.
C
That
standard
was
met
through
the
public
school
system's
individual
education
plans,
so
the
the
big
law
for
individuals
with
disability
education
act.
You
could
enter
the
public
school
system
to
apply
for
access
to
special
education,
and
you
can
do
that
under
the
age
of
three
and
receive
what's
called
an
individual
family
service
plan
and
that's
what
our
children
and
first
steps
get
or
from
the
ages
of
three
up
till
21.
You
would
get
an
iep
an
individual
education
plan.
Now
a
child
can
be
born
with
a
disability
or
can
be
diagnosed
by
a
pediatrician.
C
C
School
preschool
classrooms
have
the
ability
to
be
licensed.
The
the
catch
there
that
makes
it
kind
of
complicated
is
that
public
school
has
its
set
of
regulations.
Child
care
has
its
set
of
regulations
a
lot
of
the
basic
premises
line
up,
but
there
are
little
differences
in
the
system
and
it's
hard
to
be
managed
by
more
than
one
accrediting
body
at
the
time
and
make
sure
that
you
get
all
those
things
lined
up.
We
do
have
classrooms
in
public
school
preschool
classrooms
in
the
state
of
kentucky
that
are
also
licensed.
C
That's
not
the
norm,
though.
What
we
see
more
on
blending
and
braiding
with
public
school
would
be
head
start
and
public
school
preschool,
combined
classrooms,
and
usually
that
you'll
see
that
more
with
full
day
classrooms
of
kids
and,
like
I
said,
one
teacher
who
is
employed
by
the
public
school,
one
teacher,
that's
in
employed
by
head
start,
and
they
have
kids
that
qualify
for
both
there's
some
great
examples
of
this,
particularly
in
erlanger.
C
D
Thank
you,
as
I'm
sitting
here
going
through
this
I'm
kind
of
laughing.
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
People
don't
pay
attention
to
what
their
moms
say.
I'm
thankful
I
have
my
mom
is
director
of
special
education
and
preschool
in
grayson
county.
So
you're
saying
these
terms
are
like,
oh,
I
know
this.
I've
heard
this
before
so
thank
you.
This
has
been
been
a
great
presentation
so
far.
I
guess
one
of
my
questions.
You
know
with
all
with
the
five
pillars.
Is
there
a
connection
between,
because
you
know
I.
D
Last
week
I
went
and
visited
our
health
department
in
grayson
county,
and
they
were
telling
me
about
the
hands
program
which
I'd
already
heard
about
it,
because
they
do
such
a
great
job.
They
have
community
baby
showers,
I
mean,
but
I
think
that
they're
also
struggling
with
the
idea
that
I
think
previously,
public
health
has
been
looked
like
for,
has
been
looked
at
for
only
people
that
are
at
poverty
thresholds
whereas
in
reality
like
the
hands
program,
is
for
anybody.
There
is
no
poverty
threshold
and
so
trying
to
overcome.
D
That
has
been
a
real
issue.
I
think
for
many
health
departments
across
the
the
commonwealth,
but
you
know
like
within
it
kind
of
goes
off
representative
bowling
questions
like
once
you're
in
the
hands
program.
It
may
be
that
they
see
that
there
is
an
issue
with
the
child
possible.
D
D
Have
these
have
these
these
resources
that
they
can
provide
to
the
families
that
say
hey,
you
might
need
to
look
into
first
steps
or
you
know,
is
there
I
guess
the
number
one
issue
I
see
across
a
lot
of
government
and
even
just
people
in
general,
as
we're
looking
at
our
communities,
is
the
lack
of
communication
between
the
groups
and
so
could
you
tell
me
just
a
little
bit
long
story
short?
Can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
just
the
communication
between
five
pillars?
Okay,.
C
So
we're
run
by
a
couple:
different
organizations
department
of
public
health
supervises
hands-on,
first
steps,
so
they
do
a
really
good
job
of
overlapping
there,
and
then
we've
got
federal
funding,
state
funding
and
private
funding
that
supervise
the
programs
for
three
to
five-year-olds.
However,
a
lot
of
the
providers
in
this
field
know
about
these
resources.
C
Like
I
said
earlier,
the
first
steps
workers
that
go
into
the
child
care
programs
they're,
really
the
only
source
of
special
education
training
that
a
lot
of
the
child
care
programs
get,
and
so
many
of
them
want
to
see
those
first
steps.
Workers
come
in
and
they'll
make
referrals.
First,
steps
is
awesome
because
you
don't
just
have
to
be
a
doctor
to
refer
a
child.
C
Parents
can
refer
their
own
child
to
first
steps,
a
child
care
provider
can
refer
them,
and
so
those
evaluations,
a
child
care
provider,
can
approach
a
parent
and
say
I've
noticed
this
and
this
maybe
you
should
think
about
a
referral
and
or
the
pediatrician.
You
know
I've
noticed
this
in
this
daring
checkups.
C
It
depends
on
the
resources
throughout
the
county
and
how
what
they
have
available,
but
for
the
most
part,
a
lot
of
our
providers
know
about
these
different
services.
We
have
technical
assistance
out
in
the
field
for
child
care
providers
through
child
care
where
uk
and
they
refer
child
care
programs
to
a
lot
of
these
different
resources.
A
Sarah
ben
brought
up
a
good
comment
with
a
lot
of
these
school
programs,
families
that
are
needing
this
type
of
support
care,
they're
going
to
have
to
be
proactive
normally
to
find
it
don't
doesn't
seem
like
we
really
do
a
good
job
of
promoting
those
programs
and-
and
it's
like
there's
a
disconnect,
maybe
when
a
child
is
diagnosed
to
to
the
next
step
in
what
the
schools
have
to
offer.
Can
you
comment
on
that.
C
Different
types
of
program
have
different
types
of
child
find
so
head
start
has
family
service
workers
that
literally
hit
the
pavements
in
their
neighborhoods
and
hunt
down
families,
go
door
to
door
and
tell
them
this
is
available.
Do
you
want
it?
We
can
give
you
this
for
free
and
and
their
programs.
They
they
do
such
a
great
job
of
finding
families
in
the
area.
Many
of
the
public
school
systems
also
have
child
find.
Well,
they
have
child
find
it.
C
A
lot
of
it
depends
on
staffing,
though,
if
you
have
high
staff
turnover,
you
might
not
always
have
so
you're
filling
those
teacher
positions
first,
because
that's
the
the
highest
priority,
and
so,
if
you
lose
your
community
liaison,
you
know
it.
May
there
may
be
a
gap
in
who's
able
to
spread
that
information
with
department
of
public
health
services,
though
those
flyers
that
information
is
in
all
the
dcbs
offices,
they
pass
it
out
to
pediatrician
offices,
they
try
and
get
that
information
out,
so
that
families
would
be
aware
activities.
C
C
Another
aspect
is
that
it's
it's
very
scary
for
young
teachers
to
approach
a
family
and
say
you
you
may
need
this
resource,
and,
and
so
that
can
be
an
area
where
guidance
is,
is
needed
again
from
our
more
veteran
staff.
When
those
referrals
come
in
when
I
was
a
young
teacher,
I
always
like
to
blame
it
on
the
pediatricians
and
be
like
you
may
want
to
ask
your
doctor
about
this.
Go
to
the
doctor.
C
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
go
a
little
bit
deeper
into
into
child
care.
Let's
see
here,
oh
that
wasn't
the
goal.
Okay,
so
with
kentucky's
child
care
programs,
there's
a
few
different
areas.
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
enrollment
and
capacity.
I
also
want
to
talk
about
the
different
types
of
child
care
programs.
C
I'm
going
to
go
forward
and
come
back
here,
but
child
care
programs
can
be
located
in
lots
of
different
places,
and-
and
this
is
important
to
remember
too,
when
you're
thinking
about
how
to
expand
child
care
in
your
community,
where,
where
could
it
be
added
who
might
be
willing
to
to
host
it?
Homes
of
child
care
providers
is
one
area,
and
this
is
a
this-
is
really
a
great
opportunity
for
entrepreneurs.
C
You
know
if,
if
there
needs
to
be
child
care
in
your
area,
there
can
be
family
child
care
homes
that
that
start
up,
and
we
had
great
legislation
the
year
before
last-
that
senator
carroll
helped
with
to
help
asking
people
to
look
at
their
zoning
laws
and
say:
are
your
zoning
laws
in
your
area
preventing
family
child
care
homes,
because
in
some
counties
they
were?
C
It
was
saying
that
you
can't
have
a
business
in
the
middle
of
a
neighborhood
area,
and
that
was
preventing
a
business
that
is
supposed
to
be
in
a
home
to
look
like
a
home
and
have
that
home
field.
It's
not
a
storefront.
We
want
those
there,
because
families
often
feel
much
safer,
leaving
their
their
babies
in
in
family,
child
care
homes,
but
other
places
in
kentucky.
C
Of
course,
knowing
the
climate
of
kentucky
churches
are
a
huge
place
that
we
have
child
care
programs,
because
we
have
a
church.
You
know
every
block
and
they're
empty
monday
through
friday
and
many
many
churches,
whether
or
not
the
church,
whether
or
not
the
child
care
program
is
faith-based.
Many
just
use
that
space,
but
churches
are
one
of
the
main
housing
areas
for
child
care
programs.
We
also
have
a
lot
of
community
centers
community
action
councils,
different
non-profits
and
then
another
place
that
head
starts.
An
early
head
start
slots
are
often
found
is
in
partnerships.
C
It
can
be
a
child
care
program
that
is
not
completely
a
head
start
or
an
early
head
start,
but
they
may
have
contracted
with
head
start
and
the
head
start
says:
we'll
pay
you
to
put
10
slots
here,
because
we
know
we
have
families
in
this
area.
That
can
benefit
for
that.
So
those
partnerships
are
typically
licensed
child
care
that
have
just
a
few
head
start
and
early
head
start
children
within
it.
C
We
do
have
child
care
programs
in
kentucky
that
are
for-profit
businesses.
They
don't
usually
make
much
money,
but
you
see
a
lot
of
change.
Child
care
programs
like
la
petite
academy,
kinder
care,
bright
horizons.
Those
are
often
for-profit
organizations
that
are
more
national
or
regional
chains,
and
then
again
we
do
have
some
licensed
public
school
preschool
classrooms.
So
those
are
all
the
different
locations
that
we
think
of
child
care
being
and-
and
it's
important
to
remember-
that
they
each
are
really
important
part
of
the
puzzle.
What
we
need
those
community
centers.
C
C
Our
child
care
regs
in
kentucky
say
that,
in
order
to
receive
state
and
federal
funds,
you'll
be
a
part
of
the
all-star
system,
and
that
gives
families
an
idea
of
what
high
quality
is.
We
typically
think
of
on
this
one
to
five
star
system
kind
of
like
a
hotel
rating
system.
Five
star
system,
we
think
of
high
quality
as
three
to
five
stars.
C
C
The
largest
base
of
our
centers
is
in
that
one
star
program,
because
you
have
to
be
at
least
one
star
to
be
able
to
participate
in
the
child
care
assistance
program
and
in
the
past
several
years
to
receive
those
federal
funds
that
came
in
since
the
since
the
funding
is
state
and
federal.
But
then
you
see
that
centers
are
trying
to
improve
their
quality,
to
move
up
the
system
to
get
those
higher
accreditations
and
we
look
at
higher
quality
programs
a
lot
of
times
they
have
lower
adult
to
child
ratios.
C
They
have
more
more
appropriate
developmental
curriculum,
they're
screening,
the
kiddos
at
their
centers
to
make
sure
that
if
there
are
any
delays,
they're
showing
up
early
and
parents
can
get
more
support
and
a
lot
of
times
they
care
for
the
teachers
better.
We
see
in
our
higher
accredited
programs
that
they're
giving
staff
benefits
like
health
insurance,
where
staff
members
want
to
stay
longer
and
that
reduces
staff
turnover.
C
It's
hard
work,
you're,
changing
diapers,
you're,
you're,
wiping
noses,
and
then
you
go
home
and
you
cut
out
gingerbread
men
to
put
on
the
bulletin
board
for
the
next
day,
and
you
write
parent
newsletters
in
your
free
time.
You
work
with
a
lot
of
kids
and
you
work
with
parents
which
honestly
can
be
harder
than
working
with
young
children
at
times,
and
and
so
this
is
a
high
demand
job
and
some
of
our
providers
make
a
very
small
salary.
C
Our
our
child
care
program,
teachers,
their
average,
the
the
salary
range
in
kentucky,
is
between
fifteen
thousand
six
hundred
five
685
a
year
up
to
31
000
with
a
median
income
of
22
just
over
22
000
a
year
and
and
that
that
salary
is
not
appealing
to
draw
people
in
from
another
field,
our
family
child
care
providers,
who
are
a
teacher
and
an
administrator.
At
the
same
time,
their
wages
range
from
five
dollars
an
hour
that
well
550
an
hour
to
22
an
hour.
C
It's
vastly
different,
because
these
ladies
I
say,
ladies
because
right
now
we
don't
have
any
male
family
child
care
providers
in
kentucky.
But
these
ladies
typically
only
pay
themselves
once
they've
met
the
bills,
and
so
that's
why
their
wages
can
be
as
low
as
five
dollars
an
hour,
because
they
may
only
have
a
small
margin
of
money
once
they've
paid
all
their
bills
and
that's
what
they
take,
and
so
they
they
may
work
very
hard,
have
a
wonderful
business
and
then
have
very
little
salary
that
comes
from
it
and
our
directors.
C
Our
managers,
median
income,
is
just
over
31
000
a
year.
Because
of
that,
we
have
almost
19
percent
of
our
directors
have
to
have
a
second
job
after
they
work,
maybe
50
hours
a
week
running
a
child
care
program
and
almost
20
of
our
teachers
have
a
second
job
as
well.
So
those
wages
are
important
to
keep
in
mind
because
we
do
have
to
make
sure
we
continue
to
attract
people
to
the
field
and
wages
right
now
are
not
the
reason
that
people
are
entering
this
field.
C
One
of
the
greatest
benefits
that
we
have
to
support
families
in
kentucky
that
need
child
care
is
the
child
care
assistance
program.
Now
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
this
program
is
funded
through
the
child
care
and
development
block
grant.
You
have
a
handout
that
specifically
focuses
on
the
child
care
and
development
block
grant,
and
these
are
the
federal
funds
that
kentucky
receives
from
office
of
child
care
and
they
have
a
it
is
a
block
grant.
C
But
what
I
would
like
to
stress
is
that
there
are
very
specific
percentages
of
this
block
grant
that
have
to
be
used
for
for
different
things.
Sometimes,
when
you
hear
block
grant
you
think,
oh,
these
are
general
funds.
C
We
can
spend
them,
however,
we
want
to,
but
these
percentages
are
very
specific
and
the
the
block
grant
is
focused
predominantly
to
help
children
who
are
in
minority
populations,
whether
that
be
poverty
living
in
homelessness,
different
at-risk
situations,
so
70
percent
of
the
money
that
we
receive
in
kentucky
from
the
child
care
and
development
block
grant
must
go
to
direct
services
for
children
through
through
the
child
care
assistance
program
and
and
other
funds
of
that
nature.
12
of
that
money
goes
to
quality.
C
Actually
in
kentucky,
we
typically
spend
15
to
16
percent
on
quality
initiatives,
but
quality
is
a
really
loose
word
here.
Quality
means
background
checks
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
any
convicted
felons
working
in
the
classroom.
It
means
the
office
of
the
inspector
general
going
into
centers
and
making
sure
that
health
and
safety
standards
are
in
place
so
that
children
are
not
hurt
or
or
worse
in
child
care
programs.
C
C
Four
percent
of
those
funds
go
to
consumer
education,
and
so
that's
where
we
really
try
and
reach
out
to
parents
to
tell
them
about
the
all-star
system
to
tell
them
about
what
to
look
for
in
child
care
and
to
help
them
understand
what
a
quality
child
care
environment
looks
like
and
then
there's
a
maximum
of
five
percent
of
those
funds
that
go
to
administrative
fees,
so
that
leaves
nine
percent.
That's
flexible
and
honestly
in
kentucky,
the
flexible
funds
typically
go
to
more
child
care
assistance
to
help
our
most
at-risk
families.
C
C
With
that
90
million
that
we
receive
every
year.
There
is
a
huge
amount
of
accountability
that
goes
with
it.
The
office
of
child
care
and
their
regional
offices
come
and
do
audits.
They
do
three-year
inspections.
We
send
multiple
reports
throughout
the
year
on
how
the
funds
are
being
spent,
whether
or
not
our
state
licensure
requirements
meet
their
requirements.
C
What
our
state
plan
looks
like,
if
you
want
a
really
good
read,
you
can
go
to
the
division
of
child
care
website,
pull
up
the
state
plan,
it's
about
300
pages
and
it's
how
the
division
of
child
care
for
kentucky
is
meeting
all
the
federal
requirements
over
the
next
three
years.
It
is
an
extensive
document
and
it
has
to
be
updated
regularly
with
any
change.
Yeah.
C
Exactly
and
it
might
help
put
you
to
sleep
but
but
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
accountability
at
the
federal
level
that
goes
along
with
that,
and
then
the
state
also
performs
audits
on
that
money.
So,
in
order
to
maintain
those
funds
that
we
get
from
the
federal
government,
we
have
to
show
that
we
are
being
good
stewards
of
that
money
and
that
we're
helping
the
families
that
need
it.
C
C
Child
care
assistance
program
the
family.
In
order
to
be
awarded
child
care
assistance,
they
have
to
be
working
a
minimum
of
20
hours
a
week.
If
the
family
isn't
working,
they
don't
need,
they
don't
need
child
care
or
they
can
be
full-time
students.
So
a
student
that
is
trying
to
go
to
school
to
get
a
degree
can
also
receive
child
care
assistance.
Currently,
families
at
200
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level
can
qualify
for
child
care
assistance
that
was
increased
from
with
arpa
funds.
Prior
to
the
pandemic.
C
We
also
increase
the
reimbursement
rate
in
kentucky,
which
that
means
that
it's
based
on
the
market
rate.
So
what
the
centers
in
kentucky
charge
is
how
we
decide
how
to
how
much
to
reimburse
80
percent
of
the
child
care
programs
in
kentucky
are
covered.
The
full
cost
is
covered
by
ccap,
but
that
means
20
percent
have
overages
now,
prior
to
the
arpa
funds,
only
40
of
the
child
care
programs,
the
full
cost
was
covered.
A
family
could
have
a
co-pay,
so
I
say
that
80
percent
of
the
centers
have
the
full
tuition.
C
And
this
is
just
the
breakdown
how
I
said
we
spend
our
money,
we
have
the
20
million
dollar
match,
we
have
anywhere
from
90
to
95
million,
and
it
varies
based
on
the
appropriations
of
the
federal
government
when
they
review
the
child
care
and
development
block
grant.
Those
funds
have
gone
up
and
the
annual
funds
have
gone
up
in
the
past
couple
years
as
long
as
well
as
the
one-time
funds
and
then
tanf
funding
is
used
as
well.
C
One
of
the
handouts
that
I
gave
you
was
on
different
programs
that
we
offer
in
kentucky
to
support
our
child
care
programs.
The
division
of
child
care,
as
the
lead
agency
for
those
ccdbg
block
grant
funds
are
required
to
offer
a
lot
of
supports
to
child
care
programs.
They
do
the
national
background
check
program
for
child
care
providers,
which
includes
looking
at
the
child
abuse
and
neglect
registry
sex
offender
database,
the
state's
back,
individual
background
check,
and
so
all
that
is
processed
through
the
division
of
child
care.
With
funding.
C
C
There
are
higher
education
scholarships
that
can
be
two-year
degrees,
four-year
degrees
or
even
just
certifications,
and
the
kia
office
helps
with
that
to
distribute
those
division
of
child
care,
offers
child
care
credentials,
trainers,
credentials
the
commonwealth,
child
care
credential
and
and
helps
get
the
child
development
associates,
which
is
the
national
credential
offer
scholarships
for
that
licensing
and
monitoring
of
child
care
programs
is
required
by
the
federal
government
and
the
office
of
the
inspector
general
assists
with
that.
The
all-stars
rating
program
is
required.
Uk
assist
with
that,
as
well
as
technical
assistance.
C
Kentucky
has
recently
implemented
the
family
child
care
network.
A
support
agency
for
family
child
care
providers
throughout
the
state
kentucky
got
a
lot
of
national
attention
for
this.
We're
one
of
the
first
states
to
pilot
this
and
to
support
our
only
child
care
programs
throughout
the
state.
Most
training
and
technical
assistance
is
focused
towards
center-based
care.
Again,
that's
your
bang
for
your
buck
because
you
can
have
150
kids
in
one
program,
but
those
trainings
and
technical
assistance
do
not
help
family
child
care
homes
because
they're
run
so
differently.
C
This
is
one
of
two
statewide
advisory
councils.
The
child
care
advisory
council
has
dcc
members,
but
it
also
has
stakeholders,
parents
and
child
care
providers
on
it,
and
then
they
run
the
child
care
assistance
program.
Now
we
also
have
great
partners
in
kentucky
like
department
of
public
health
and
the
governor's
office
of
early
childhood.
That
also
offer
supports
to
child
care
programs.
Department
of
public
health
has
child
care,
health
consultants
that
go
to
the
centers
and
help
them
with
technical
assistance
on
medical
and
health
related
issues.
C
They
might
train
child
care
providers
on
how
to
use
an
epipen
or
give
them
training
on
first
aid
and
cpr.
These
ladies
worked
so
hard
the
past
two
and
a
half
years.
The
child
care
programs,
were
they
were
such
a
huge
resource
and
also
the
early
childhood
mental
health
specialists
through
the
department
of
public
health
were
huge
resources.
After
all
that
our
kids
and
our
teachers
have
been
through
in
the
past
couple
years,
the
governor's
office
of
early
childhood
provides
an
amazing
early
childhood
institute
that
offers
a
lot
of
professional
development.
C
They
are
piloting
a
nationally
renowned
apprenticeship
program
to
to
get
journeyman
apprentice
certificates,
not
only
for
adults
but
for
high
school
juniors
and
seniors
that
will
be
trained
and
graduate
from
the
apprentice
program,
workforce
ready
and
then
they
also
house
the
early
childhood
advisory
council,
which
is
state
level,
administrators
and
partners
that
help
make
recommendations
at
the
state
level.
C
So,
although
our
child
care
programs
struggle
as
a
small
business,
often
they
have
a
lot
of
great
resources.
We
just
have
to
find
a
way
to
create
all
the
resources
that
they
need.
The
last
information
that
I
have
in
my
presentation
today
is
kind
of
a
breakdown
of
an
independent
child
care
program
and
what
that
looks
like
financially,
we
sent
out
the
income
and
the
expenses
for
a
small
child
care
program,
and
you
can
look
here
and
see
the
center
capacity
and
estimated
program
tuition.
C
Most
people,
it's
more
than
college
tuition,
would
cost
it's
more
than
your
mortgage.
We
paid
400
more
on
child
care
a
month
than
we
did
on
our
mortgage
when
our
kids
were
little
and
and
it
can
be
overwhelming
for
families.
Many
people
think
at
this
point.
Do
I
stay
in
the
workforce
or
do
I
pay
child
care
and
stay
in
the
workforce?
C
C
Mom
has
to
decide.
Do
I
stay
in
the
workforce
or
do
I
leave
the
workforce
because
the
cost
of
child
care
is
so
high
and
you
think
okay
220
a
week
880
a
month
is
so
big,
but
then
that
has
to
cover
not
just
one
person
that
you're
paying
to
watch
your
children.
It
covers
every
person
that
interacts
with
your
child
three
or
four
teachers
that
work
with
the
child.
C
During
the
day
administration
business
managers,
the
person
who
is
working
in
the
kitchen,
it
has
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
building
consumables
facility
insurance,
and
so
when
you
break
all
this
down,
most
child
care
programs
can
barely
afford
to
stay
open.
Now,
the
the
breakdown
that
I
gave
you
for
this
particular
center,
based
on
this
capacity
and
this
tuition,
they
had
a
thousand
dollars
left
over
at
the
end
of
the
month.
C
C
If
an
industrial,
washer
or
dryer
broke,
if
anything
happened,
the
hvac
system
went
down
a
major
expense
happened.
Then
this
program
is
automatically
in
debt.
Most
child
care
programs
cannot
afford
to
take
out
a
small
business
loan
because
they
don't
have
the
monthly
available
income
to
pay
the
payments
off,
so
one
one
month
of
having
a
big
expense
can
shut
them
down
now.
This
also
assumes
the
budget
that
I
gave.
You
also
assumes
that
they're
at
90
enrollment
and
that
people
are
paying
their
tuition.
C
You
always
have
families
that
have
life
life
happen,
and
so
directors
are
trying
to
say
you.
You
know
you
have
to
pay
me
or
you
can't
be
here,
but
they
also
want
consistent
care
for
the
children,
and
so
payments
can
be
late
or
missed.
You
know
a
small
business
is
trying
desperately
to
work
with
the
families,
but
eventually
have
to
turn
people
away,
sometimes
if
they
can't
pay
the
tuition
and
and
so
a
lot
of
times,
full
income
does
not
come
in,
even
though
expenses
are
there.
C
What
we
know
is
that
it's
hard
to
make
this
type
of
business,
operational,
monthly
income,
121,
824,
monthly
salaries,
the
biggest
expense
that
any
child
care
program
has
just
over
seventy
seven
thousand,
then
additional
monthly
expenses
from
facility
to
food
to
feed
children
insurance.
Forty
three
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
remaining
income,
one
thousand
fifty
four
dollars.
C
So
this
assumes
that
ccap
got
processed
correctly
it's
hard
for
centers
to
be
on
ccap
because
you
get
paid
at
the
end
of
the
month.
It's
not
something
you
can
process
every
week.
So
if
you
do
have
children
on
the
child
care
assistance
program,
you
wait
until
the
end
of
the
month
to
get
that
check
now,
once
you're
used
to
waiting
every
month,
it's
not
a
hard
issue,
but
that
first
month,
when
they've
been
there
a
whole
month
and
you've
had
no
income,
that
can
be
tough.
C
Employees
were
given
paid
time
off
in
this
model,
but
they
didn't
have
health
insurance
or
any
of
those
additional
things
and
then
again,
like
I
said,
any
major
expense.
C
C
This
center
also
operated
at
the
maximum
adult
to
child
ratio.
So
again,
like
I
said
one
adult
10
two-year-olds.
C
That
means
that
in
a
classroom
where
the
maximum
capacity
is
22
year
olds,
you
have
two
adults
22
year
olds.
If
you
have
one
child
in
that
room,
who's
a
biter
and
a
teacher
has
to
follow
them
around
and
prevent
them
from
biting.
Then
that
other
teacher
has
19
two-year-olds
they're
responsible
for
watching.
I
have
been
that
teacher
in
the
classroom
where
I
was
one
adult
and
10
two-year-olds,
and
I
can
tell
you
now
that
none
of
you
want
to
be
that
teacher
with
10
two-year-olds.
It
is
hard
work.
C
C
Food
costs
and
gasoline
right
now
we're
looking
at
significant
inflation
across
the
u.s
and
food
costs
and
gasoline
when
they
inflate
it
has
a
huge
impact
on
being
able
to
transport
children
pick
them
up
from
after
school
programs,
feed
them
breakfast
and
lunch
at
facility
and
again
this
model.
Also
assumes
that
there
is
enough
staff
to
keep
all
the
classrooms
open
if
you
do
not
have
teachers
for
two
to
three
rooms
and
you
have
to
close
them
down.
That's
a
significant
swing
in
income.
If
it's
a
preschool
classroom,
you
have
to
shut
down.
C
That
is
a
huge
source
of
income,
because
that's
20
children
as
opposed
to
an
infant
classroom
who
could
have
a
max
of
of
10
babies,
even
though
the
the
tuition
is
a
little
bit
higher
for
infants,
one-year-old
classrooms,
infant
classrooms
lose
money
for
centers
because
of
the
ratio
of
the
adults
to
the
children.
You
make
your
money
back
from
that
loss
in
preschool.
So
if
a
preschool
classroom
has
to
close
it's
a
huge
financial
impact.
C
Here
are
the
strengths
that
want
you
to
think
about
that
kentucky
is
doing
well
right
now,
the
family
child
care
network
for
recruitment
and
technical
assistance
of
new
family
child
care
programs.
This
is
huge
and
we
have
a
lot
of
other
states
that
are
jealous
and
looking
at
us
and
trying
to
model
after
this
new
program,
the
ecetris
database
that
eku
runs
for
the
division
of
child
care.
C
This
is
like
a
walking
resume
for
every
child
care
provider
and
directors,
use
it
to
look
at
the
training
of
their
staff
and
say
this
is
a
weakness
area.
We
need
to
find
more
training,
because
all
of
my
staff,
you
know,
are
having
a
hard
time
in
this
area.
It
also
shows
the
next
time
they
need
a
background
check
the
next
time
they
need
pediatric
abusive,
head
trauma,
training,
which
is
a
state
requirement.
C
C
Any
child
care
provider
who
is
working
a
minimum
of
20
hours
a
week
in
a
child
care
program
can
qualify
for
scholarships
to
get
certificates,
associate's
degrees,
four-year
degrees
in
the
field,
and
that
is
not
a
one-time
thing.
Once
our
teachers
get
that
significant
amount
of
training
that
can
have
long-term
benefits.
C
But
here
are
our
greatest
challenges.
Child
care,
wages
cannot
compete
with
hospitality
and
retail,
and
we
have
a
significant
staffing
crisis
when
you
only
make
ten
dollars
an
hour
at
child
care.
But
arby's
is
starting
off
at
sixteen
dollars
an
hour
for
most
families.
It's
not
a
choice
where
they're
going
to
go
and
work
centers
with
close
classroom
are
reducing
the
statewide
capacity,
and
that
means
that
families
are
on
waiting
lists,
but
their
children
are
not
actually
in
classrooms
where
they
can
get
care.
C
A
So
I
think
your
last
two
comments
is
probably
at
the
crux
of
what
we've
got
to
solve
and
that's
one
child
care
being
affordable
throughout
the
entire
state,
not
just
for
those
in
poverty
but
those
middle
class
that
it's
like
you
said.
You
got
two
kids
that
changes
your
life
and
and
it
it
in
many
cases
it
does
encourage
folks
to
leave
the
workforce
and
from
an
economic
development
perspective
and
recruiting
business
and
industry
to
this
state.
A
We
we
can't
do
that.
We
need
all
hands
on
deck
as
far
as
workforce
and
then
the
other
part
of
it
is
just
the
the
sustainability
for
these
centers,
and
I
I
can
tell
you
from
our
perspective
and
we
have
with
just
within
our
early
childhood
education
center,
probably
about
120
kids
at
full
capacity.
A
A
A
In
many
states
they
are
through
pay
and
they
have
scale
set
up
for
if
a
teacher
has
a
degree
you
get
this
much
and
it's
like
a
quarterly
or
annual
check
that
comes
from
the
state
to
help
supplement
salaries,
and
you
know
that
will
help
alleviate
some
of
the
the
issues
with
with
the
centers
being
able
to
sustain,
because
that
is
one
of
the
highest
expenses,
and
I
I
know
at
our
center.
A
I
just
pulled
up
our
our
proposed
base
pay
scale
which
we
actually
had
to
go
ahead
and
implement
because
our
staff
is
they're
struggling
so
badly
right
now,
because
of
all
the
increased
prices
of
everything,
so
a
cda,
which
is
a
child
development,
associates,
that's
a
certificate.
The
basic
level
certificate
that
a
early
childhood
educator
gets
about.
A
And
so
we're
starting
those
folks
out
at
14
an
hour
now
at
three
years,
1484
at
five
years,
1573
and
at
10
years
1685.
A
That's
the
scale
that
we
just
went
up
to
and
it's
it's
a
huge
jump
from
where
we
were.
But,
like
you
said,
this
is
a
last-ditch
effort
to
try
to
fill
slots.
We've
got
a
classroom
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
reach
the
full
capacity
because
we
can't
find
enough
teachers
so
you're
losing
revenue
there,
you're
not
providing
the
service,
but
in
order
to
try
to
fill
those
slots,
you
have
to
raise
the
pay
to
compete
and
I
think
it's
starting
to
work.
I
was
very
skeptical.
A
I
didn't
think
we
could
buy
our
way
out
of
this
problem,
but
we
are
starting
to
see
slowly
more
applications
come
in
and
we're
slowly
starting
to
fill
those
slots.
So
that's
that's
the
reality
each
day
of
of
what
we
face
in
a
and
we're,
probably
the
largest
in
our
part
of
the
state
baptist
healthcare,
their
facility-
it's
probably
close
to
ours,
but
you
know
that's
what
we're
experiencing
senator
schroeder.
You
have
a
question,
sir.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
do
I
have
a
few
questions
and
first
actually
it's
to
you
and
co-chair
heaven,
maybe
for
clarification
for
myself.
I
know
there's
also
a
task
force
studying
the
I
guess
benefits
cliff,
I
think,
is
what
we're
referring
to
it,
as
are
they
looking
into
the
child
care
issue,
or
is
that
something
that's
in
our
territory?
I
guess.
A
Yeah
that
that
would
be
within
here
this.
The
main
thing
that
we
would
deal
with
with
child
care
would
be
the
child
care
assistance
program
and
that's
that's
kind
of
an
entity
into
itself
where
it's
its
percentage,
and
there
is
you
know
there
is
some
play,
and
please
explain
this
deeper,
where,
depending
on
what
you
make,
would
be
how
much
co-pay
that
a
family
might
have
to
pay.
C
Yeah,
so
when
you
look
at
the
range
of
federal
poverty
levels,
so
you
can
anywhere
up
to
200
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level
you
could
qualify,
but
the
lower
the
the
income
is
for
the
family.
Then
the
more
coverage
you
would
receive,
so
a
family
that
is
just
at
maybe
195
of
the
federal
poverty
level
would
have
a
co-pay,
but
they
would
still
receive
funds
that
go
directly
to
the
child
care
center
to
pay
for
them.
C
Now,
during
the
past
year,
the
division
of
child
care
did
implement
a
cliff
effect
clause
into
the
child
care
systems
program.
You
have
12
month
eligibility
and
then,
at
the
end
of
12
months,
you
have
to
come
in
and
re-certify
with
the
program
and
show
your
income
and
those
types
of
things
so
at
the
12-month
mark.
C
If
you
come
in
and
you
no
longer
qualify,
there's
a
three-month
cliff
effect
cushion
that
allows
you
to
have
50
of
that
coverage
for
three
months
as
you
transition
to
determining
how
you
readjust
your
budget
and
and
get
used
to
that,
and
I
do
believe
that
the
division
of
child
care
is
looking
at
increasing
that
to
six
months
with
within
the
week.
I
think
they're
they're
going
to
be
making
new
announcements.
E
Okay,
great,
can
I
go
ahead.
Thank
you
on
my
it's
my
page,
eight,
I'm
not
sure
what
it
was
for
you,
but
it's
your
program,
tuition
numbers-
and
I
was
wondering,
is-
is
that
that's
just
an
average
across
the
state.
E
C
C
The
rates
vary
quite
a
bit.
The
most
expensive
up
program
that
I
have
seen.
Infant
is
always
the
most
expensive
people
typically
scale
down.
There
are
a
few
programs
that
have
a
flat
rate
across
the
board,
but
generally
your
infant
rates
are
most
expensive
and
it
goes
down
to
school
age.
Most
expensive
I've
seen
has
been
close
to
the
300
a
week
mark,
but
that
was
a
reasonably
priced
program
in
fayette
county.
E
Okay,
you
said
they
vary
quite
a
bit
and
that's
what
I
was
curious
between
you
know:
covington,
louisville,
fayette
and
then
the
rural
areas,
how
how
different
they
are.
The
other
question
I
had
going
to,
let's
see,
I
think
it
was
the
basic
level
certificate
that
was
mentioned
is
this
is
this
like?
Are
there?
C
The
minimum
credential
you
can
get
in
kentucky
for
a
child
care
provider
is
called
the
commonwealth
child
care
credential,
and
it
is
the
first
half
of
the
content
that
is
in
the
federal
credential
called
the
child
development
associates
and
that's
about
equivalent
to
two
college
classes.
The
kentucky
intro
is
equivalent
to
about
one
college
class,
but
then
you
can
move
up
and
get
a
director's
credential
in
kentucky
is
four
to
five
college
classes
and
then
there's
an
associate
degree
that
is
at
all
of
our
community
colleges.
E
C
There
is
not
one
of
the
things
that
the
national
association
for
the
education
of
young
children
nacie
as
we
would
call
them
they're
the
the
kind
of
the
national
professional
development
advocacy
organization
for
young
children.
One
of
the
things
that
they
really
are
fighting
for
is
more
universal
equivalency
across
the
board,
because
each
state
varies
so
much
on
what
their
credentials
are.
Now
that
one
federal
credential
is
the
same
everywhere
and
then
a
two
year
and
a
four-year
degree
are
going
to
be
pretty
similar.
C
But
this
the
individual
state
credentials
vary
and
pay
rates
vary
so
much.
So
if
you
have
a
federal
credential
in
one
state,
your
your
pay
could
be
five
dollars
an
hour
or
more
in
another.
Whereas
if
you
look
at
the
medical
field
and
take
an
education
approach
and
look
at
the
medical
field,
an
rn
certification
is
going
to
be
very
similar
across
states.
No
matter
what
you
look
at,
the
requirements
are
going
to
be
the
same.
C
Your
licensure
is
going
to
be
the
same
early
childhood
certificates,
even
though
you
might
have
a
teacher
certificate
in
one
state.
The
coursework
that
you
could
have
can
be
very
different
across
the
board.
We
recently
were
looking
at
tennessee,
because
tennessee
just
published
a
research
study
on
the
tennessee
preschool
program
and
some
significant
flaws
in
their
system.
C
C
If
you
get
trained
to
do
that
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you're
teaching
four-year-olds,
not
only
is
it
going
to
be
the
shock
of
your
life,
but
you're
not
really
teaching
them
in
a
developmentally
appropriate
way
in
kentucky,
our
teacher's
certificate
for
early
childhood,
ed
in
the
public
school
system,
is
from
birth
to
five
we're
talking
child
development
movement
and
play,
and
we
have.
We
have
a
great
setup
for
a
kentucky
teacher
certificate,
but
the
equivalency
between
states
is
is
all
over
the
place.
E
So
looking
at
the
federal
standard
is
that
more
stringent
or
is
it
more?
Are
they
using
different
age
levels
or
I'm
curious?
Why
not
just
kentucky,
but
why
aren't
all
the
states
just
looking
at
the
federal
standard
and
then
going
from
there
to
add
to
it
rather
than
maybe
not
achieve.
C
It
well,
this
is
the
same
in
the
public
school
system
too.
There's
not
one
federal
standard
for
a
licensed
public
school
teacher.
When
I
got
my
teacher
certificate
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
we
were
required
to
have
a
master's
degree.
Within
10
years
I
moved
to
michigan
when
I
was
in
high
school.
My
mom
was
a
teacher
and
she
had
her
masters
because
she
had
met
that
requirement
and
everybody
in
michigan
thought
she
was
crazy,
that
she
had
a
master's
and
she
must
need
to
be
a
principal
because
nobody,
there
had
a
master's
degree.
C
E
Thank
you,
chairman
carl,
and
I
I
apologize
for
being
late
today.
I
was
in
court
this
morning
and
ran
longer
than
I
had
anticipated.
First
of
all,
mr
vanderwaals
nice
meeting,
you.
E
E
Let
me
find
it
for
a
minute.
The.
C
E
C
So
you're,
looking
at
census,
data
of
how
many
children
within
that
age
range
are
within
accounting.
If
you
have
to
my
census
data
that
I
have,
we
have
a
total
of
like
327
000
children
from
birth
to
five
in
kentucky.
Not
all
those
children
need
child
care.
There
are
parents
who
stay
at
home,
there's
grandmas
that
watch
children,
things
of
that
nature.
C
So
when
you're
looking
for
child
care
in
an
area
you're
not
going
to
need
a
slot
for
each
child,
we
know
that
61
of
families
with
children
under
the
age
of
5
have
all
adults,
or
all
parents
in
that
house
that
are
working
outside
the
home,
so
the
child
is
going
to
have
to
be
someplace
during
the
day.
We
would
love
to
be
in
that
one
to
three
range,
because,
typically,
when
that
happens,
then
all
children
who
need
child
care
have
access
to
it.
C
These
degrees
below
are
all
considered
deserts,
but
it
also
varies
in
how
significant
the
desert
is
now.
Sometimes
the
desert,
like
six
plus
children
per
slot,
doesn't
show
the
uniqueness
of
the
county.
For
example,
when
we
were
initially
looking
at
where
deserts
were
throughout
the
county,
we
were
we're
looking
at
a
county
out
in
western
kentucky
and
we're
like.
Oh,
my
goodness,
there's
very
few
slots.
C
C
E
Let
me
show
you
understand
this
and
I'm
looking
at
fayette
county,
which
is
in
that
one
to
three
children
per
slot.
So
does
that
mean
that
for
every
child
birth
to
five
in
fayette
county
that
that
I
guess
if,
if
there's
a
slaughter,
there's
one
child?
B
C
But
fayette
county
does
not
show
on
here
as
a
childcare
desert.
However,
like
I
said
earlier,
there
are
neighborhoods
in
fayette
county
that
are
the
neighborhood
of
hamburg,
which
is
a
large
business
community,
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
there's
almost
no
child
care
programs
in
that
area.
That
area
of
fayette
county
is
a
desert,
because
the
families
that
live
there
have
to
drive
somewhere
else
to
find
child
care.
C
So
there
can
be
deserts
within
a
community,
even
though
the
overall
county
has
enough
access
to
child
care,
because
we
have
to
think
that
if
I
live
in
a
large
county
like
jefferson
county
and
there's
care
for
me
on
the
east
end
of
louisville,
am
I
going
to
drive
all
the
way
to
the
west
end
of
louisville
to
to
work
or
to
live
and
have
my
child
on
the
other
location?
So
you
have
to
think
about
what's
reasonable
for
the
family
as
well.
Okay,.
E
My
other
question
and
I've
already
made
the
point
that
this
interim
I'm
going
to
look
at
what
kentucky's
doing
right.
You
mentioned
that
we
have
some
strengths
and,
and
you
talk
about,
there
are
five
of
them.
The
family
child
care
network
could
could
you
just
spend
a
moment
and
and
and
in
a
sense
or
two
talk
about
what
each
one
of
these
does,
which
each
one
of
these
strengths
do.
C
Yes,
so
the
family
child
care
network
has
regional
offices
throughout
kentucky,
and
in
these
regions
there
are
staff
members
there
that
recruit
new
family
child
care,
home
providers
and
that
offer
training
and
technical
assistance
to
the
family,
child
care
homes
that
are
there.
That
includes
business
training,
so
that
the
child
care
program
can
be
financially
sound,
but
it
also
includes
coming
into
the
home
and
helping
them
rearrange
the
home
so
that
children
are
that
the
the
care
area
is
set
up
in
a
safe
way
and
children
are
getting
the
most
out
of
it.
C
It's
helping
them
understand
child
development
principles
and
the
best
way
to
care
for
children
and
and
how
to
interact
with
parents
or
children
with
special
needs.
So
the
family
child
care
network
is
throughout
the
state.
They
have
regional
people
that
know
the
people
in
that
area
and
they
feel
comfortable,
knowing
that
that's
a
member
of
their
community
and
that
they're
working
with
them
to
help,
as
well
as
recruiting
new
family
child
care
homes,
which
is
a
huge
need
in
kentucky.
C
C
Every
training
that
they've
taken
background
checks
that
they've
taken
they
can
upload
degrees.
They
can
show
the
hours
that
they've
had
over
time,
because
it's
it's
longitudinal
directors
have
access
to
this
database
for
everybody
who
works
on
their
staff,
so
they
go
through
and
they
look
at
what
what
their
participants
have
had.
Training
on.
It
helps
them
track
their
mandatory
hour
of
training
requirements
every
year,
but
it
also
helps
them
see
who
hasn't
had
training
in
certain
areas
where
the
staff
is
weak.
C
It
helps
them
create
professional
development
plans
for
their
staff
so
that
they
can
continue
to
grow
as
they
work
in
the
field
and
make
the
best
choices
for
for
the
children
that
they
have
on
hand
our
database
in
kentucky
when,
when
kentucky
goes
to
national
conferences-
and
they
talk
about
everything
that
has
been
created
with
this
database,
everybody
is
jealous.
They
have
done
an
awesome
job
of
creating
this
and
maintaining
it
and
they're
always
looking
for
new
ways.
C
There's
a
lot
of
data
in
here
that
helps
us
see
what
child
care
providers
need,
how
we
need
to
shape
new
trainings,
how
how
skilled
our
child
care
providers
are,
with
what
training
they've
already
had
and
and
it's
a
it's
a
really
rich
source
of
data
that
that
we
have
access
to
the
child
care
assistance
program
has
changed
a
lot
in
the
past
couple
years,
based
on
the
amount
of
federal
funding
that
kentucky
was
given,
but
also
based
on
information
that
families
have
told
kentucky
that
they
need
so
again.
C
Prior
to
the
pandemic,
kentucky
you
were
able
to
qualify.
If
you
were
at
160
of
the
federal
poverty
level,
and
then
you
could
go
to
40
of
the
centers
and
have
your
full
coverage
like
all
the
tuition
paid
or
you
could
go
to
the
other
60
and
have
to
pay
an
overage
fee.
But
a
lot
of
families
can't
pay
a
75
dollar
per
week,
overage
fee,
and
because
then
you
know
it
adds
up
and
you've
got
300
extra.
C
At
the
end
of
the
month,
so
those
things
are
things
that
we
looked
at
in
kentucky
and
said.
We
need
more
funding.
The
federal
government
encourages
each
state
to
have
a
goal
of
75
to
80
percent
of
reimbursement,
so
that
75
to
80
percent
is
covered
by
the
subsidy
program
and
then
families
that
want
to
go
to
that
extra
20
to
25
percent
can
pay
the
overage
and
and
still
consider
those
programs.
C
We
did
open
the
the
gate
at
the
beginning,
so
to
speak
from
160
of
the
federal
poverty
level
to
200,
and
some
of
that
has
happened
with
federal
funds,
but
also
families
that
we
knew
that
were
still
struggling
and,
like
senator
carroll
mentioned
middle-class,
families
are
still
struggling
to
pay
for
child
care.
I
I
know
as
a
parent
that
I
I
had
a
strong
job.
When
my
children
were
little,
my
husband
had
a
strong
job.
C
We
had
two
incomes
and
it
still
was
a
huge
percent
of
of
what
we
brought
home
and
there
are
many
families
that
that
struggle
to
to
be
able
to
take
that
on
and
to
still
pay
all
their
other
bills.
During
that
time
period
and
middle-class
families
are
definitely
not
excluded
from
that.
So
trying
to
continue
to
open
that
gate
and
and
provide
for
more
families
to
enter
the
program.
It
is
a
huge,
a
huge
need
for
kentucky.
C
Those
kinds
of
things
are
key
in
training,
our
teachers,
and
we
need
to
provide
those
scholarships
in
order
for
to
do
that,
and
then
statewide
training
programs,
both
with
the
apprenticeship
program
offered
through
the
governor's
office
of
early
childhood
training
programs.
That
dcc
is
offering
we're
looking
at
those
training
areas
that
the
database
is
telling
us
that
our
child
care
providers
need
particularly
training
to
work
with
children
with
special
needs
and
program
administration.
C
What
happens
in
most
child
care
programs-
and
this
happened
to
me,
because
I
was
a
director
you're,
a
really
great
teacher.
We
think
we're
going
to
make
you
the
boss.
You
can
supervise
all
the
other
teachers
and
teach
them
how
to
teach
okay,
I
know
about
teaching.
I
know
nothing
about
marketing.
I
know
nothing
about
setting
budgets,
I
don't
know
how
to
process
payroll,
and
so
we
get
really
great
teachers
that
are
promoted
to
be
business
managers
and
nobody
has
ever
taught
them
how
to
be
business
managers.
C
I've
got
three
degrees
in
education,
but
nobody
ever
sat
down
and
told
me
what
marketing
and
budget
making
I
mean.
I
was
good
at
balancing
my
checkbook,
so
thank
goodness
I
could.
You
know
make
sure
that
I
took
in
more
money
than
what
I
spent,
but
it's
hard
to
run
a
business
when
you've
never
been
trained
to
do
so,
and
our
directors
need
that
skill
set
in
order
to
make
these
businesses
financially
viable.
D
Thank
you
again,
something
I
would
actually
like
to
ask
you
all
to
do
is
to
follow
up
is
just
come
up
with
some
policy
solutions.
I
love
that
you
included
strengths
and
weaknesses
a
lot
of
times
when
people
come
to
the
general
assembly.
It's
just
like
the
world
is
falling.
Here's
the
issue,
good
luck,
and
so
I
would
like
to
hear
from
your
all's
perspective
as
advocates
of
what
are
actual
policy
solutions
that
we
can
do
other
than
just
put
more
money
on
it.
D
I
do
realize
that
it's
something
we're
going
to
talk
about,
but
I
want
us
to
continue
to
be
able
to
think
out
of
the
box
too
with
all
of
these,
and
I
think
this
is
for
the
entire
task
forces.
We're
looking
at
upcoming
speakers
in
the
coming
months
is
what
are
policy
solutions.
You
know
to
provide
policy
solutions
when
you
include
data,
and
so
we
did
not
ask
you
for
that.
D
When
we're
looking,
you
know
with
with
state
supplemental
child
care,
I
really
want
to
be
cautious
in
that
too,
of
you
know,
with
the
out-of-the-box
thinking
and
being
able
to
say
you
know
what
are
some
things
that
we
can
do
to
alleviate
stress,
or
what
can
we
do
with
things
that
we
already
have,
and
that
was
something
I
really
tried
to
focus
on
with
4.99
and
it's
something
I'm
going
to
continue
to
beat
the
drum
on
is
how
can
we
get
the
private
sector
involved
in
this
because
they're,
the
ones
that
need
workers
and
and
non-profit
need
workers
too?
D
You
know
no
doubt
about
that,
but
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
generational
conversation
too,
because
we've
come
to
now
part
of
our
our
lives
where
women
are
a
big
part
of
the
workforce,
and
we
need
them
to
continue
to
be
part
of
the
workforce,
because
you'll
hear
me
say
the
more
voices
we
have
at
the
table,
the
better
conversations
we
have
because
it's
going
to
affect
more
people,
and
so
as
we're
looking
at
this,
you
know:
how
can
we
get
these
different
sectors
engaged?
D
Because
I
think
the
conversation
has
got
to
start
changing
of
well,
first
off
one
no
longer
is
it
necessarily
the
type
of
day
where
it
says?
What
can
we
do
for
you?
It's?
What
can
we
do
for
you?
You
know
it's
like
the
as
a
employer.
I
think
you've
got
to
say.
Well,
how
can
I
get
you
to
meet
people
where
they
are
rather
than
the
employees
meeting
the
employers?
If
that
makes
sense,
but
also
how
can
we
start
offering
this
as
a
benefit?
D
You
know
I
mean
this
is
to
me.
This
is
just
important
as
insurance
and
health
care,
and
you
know
it's
gonna
help
their
families,
and
so
I
just
I'm,
I'm
passionate
on
that
side
of
things
and
I'm
so
excited.
I
look
around
the
room.
You
know
we
all
have
different
perspectives
of
where
we
come
from.
You
know.
I
don't
have
children
so,
but
I'm
at
the
age
of
I
guess
I
could
have
children.
D
Hopefully
I
get
them
someday,
but
you
know.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
times
when
I
was
having
this
conversation
on
house
bill
499
a
lot
of
our
members
just
don't
recognize
the
cost
of
child
care,
because
maybe
it's
been
20
or
30
years,
since
they've
had
kids
in
child
care
or
maybe
they
didn't
have
kids
or
maybe
their
their
wives,
or
maybe
they
stayed
at
home
with
their
kids.
You
know
so
we
all
have
these
different
perspectives.
D
But
as
I
look
around
the
task
force,
you
know
senator
carroll's
got
such
a
great
knowledge
of
what
it's
like
to
own.
A
child
care
facility
representative
bowling
had
to
leave
because
today
is
his
son's
birthday,
but
he's
a
small
business
owner
and
has
two
young
kids
senator
schroeder
has
young
kids
and
representative
raymond.
She
has
young
kids
she's
in
that
representative
scott.
D
His
daughter
has
down
syndrome,
and
so
I
think,
he's
going
to
be
able
to
write
a
really
unique
perspective
on
when
we
get
down
to
you
know:
child
care
with
with
kids,
with
different
abilities,
reggie's
just
great
to
have
here
senator
I
don't
know
enough
personally
about
you
senator
and
then
senator
mike
wilson.
You
know,
I
think
that
he's
gonna
be
a
great,
but
I
think
we've
got
all
these
different
perspectives.
D
That's
really
going
to
make
a
difference,
so
I'm
so
excited
to
see
what
this
task
force
is
going
to
bring
and
next
month,
I'm
going
to
share
what
I've
learned
about
senator
thomas,
that's
my
that's
my
goal
for
the
next
month,
but
thank
you
for
the
incredible
presentation.
I
think
it's
exactly
what
we
wanted
of
just
the
overview
of
what
we
can
expect
and
I
really
look
forward
to
working
with
everybody
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
come
up
with
policy
solutions.
A
Excellent
comments
and
I
I
think,
you're
right,
I
think
what
was
brought
out
in
house
bill
4099.
I
think
that
is
the
way
of
the
future
and-
and
I
really
do
think
that
we're
going
to
see
more
and
more
businesses
as
a
way
to
recruit
employees
start
making
that
a
basic
benefit,
and
I
don't
think,
there's
any
question
about
that,
and
I
do
agree
that
that
is
that
is
part
of
the
solution.
A
As
we
move
forward
and
one
one
question
I
want
to
ask
before
we
wrap
up
dr
van
over
is-
is
looking
at
the
regulations.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
with
a
new
center
opening
up
and
let's,
let's
not
one,
that's
really
good
going
to
be
high
quality.
To
begin
with,
I
mean
it's
just
somebody
decided
to
open
up
a
center.
They
may
have
10
15
kids.
What
what
does
the
regulatory
environment
look
like
for
them?
What
hoops
do
they
have
to
jump
through
to
open
up?
C
So
we
we
have
a
lot
of
people.
That
often
will
say
I,
like
kids,
I'll
open
a
child
care
program
that
should
be
easy
it
and
they
think
about
the
part
of
interacting
with
the
children
and
not
necessarily
the
regulations
and
the
business
aspects.
C
So
in
kentucky
you
have
to
apply
to
open
a
child
care
program
through
the
office
of
the
inspector
general,
the
division
of
regulated
child
care
when
you
reach
out
to
them,
there's
an
application
process
that
you
have
to
go
through,
and
but
they
also
refer
those
candidates
to
uk,
who
has
a
training
called
getting
started
in
child
care
and
that
training
for
somebody
who
has
no
background
in
child
care.
It
goes
through
so
many
details
of
you
know.
How
is
the
fire
marshal
involved?
What
are
food
requirements?
C
How
how
much
space
do
you
have
to
have
in
the
facility
per
child?
The
square
footage
lots
of
really
detailed
things
that
people
may
not
initially
understand
once
you've
completed
that
training,
a
lot
of
people
complete
that
training
and
think.
Maybe
this
is
not
the
business
venture
that
I
would
like
to
go
into,
but
once
they've
completed
that
training,
there's
technical
assistance,
that's
available
to
support
you.
The
the
coaches
through
uk
that
do
technical
assistance
throughout
the
state
can
be
contacted
health
and
safety
specialists
that
can
kind
of
help
coach
through
that
process.
C
A
division
of
regulated
child
care
does
a
couple
of
rounds
of
inspections.
You
can
you
have
to
be
finally
approved
before
you
can
open
your
doors,
but
that's
for
a
temporary
license,
and
so
during
the
process
of
your
temporary
license,
you
have
to
be
able
to
show
that
you
can
follow
those
minimum
requirements
and
and
keep
those
health
and
safety
standards
in
place
before
you
get
a
permanent
license.
C
So
there's
different
levels
that
go
along
with
that
in
kentucky,
there's
also
specific
trainings
that
teachers
have
to
have
like
there's
a
federal
requirement
for
a
a
pre-service
training
that
you
have
to
have
in
kentucky.
You
have
to
have
it
within
the
first
90
days,
and
it
goes
through
health
and
safety
how
to
reduce
illness,
how
to
prevent
injuries,
mandated
a
reporting
on
child
abuse
and
then
basic
supervision
like
okay.
I
can't
stand
in
the
middle
of
the
room
with
my
back
to
half
the
classroom
and
make
sure
the
kids
are
safe.
C
Where
do
I
put
my
body
so
that
I
know
all
the
kids
are
safe
at
one
time,
and
so
several
people
have
to
have
that
we
talk
about.
Somebody
always
has
to
be
on
staff
with
first
aid
and
cpr,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
goes
into
effect
in
applying
for
your
initial
license
or
certification
before
you
open
up,
but
there
are
trainings
available
technical
assistance
to
help
and
then
the
final
approval
process
that
goes
along
with
that.
A
C
The
uk
workforce
survey
is
done
so
there's
a
certain
amount
of
research
that
it
has
to
be
done
in
order
to
be
compliant
with
the
federal
law
for
a
child
care
and
development
block
grant.
There
is
a
market
rate
survey
conducted
every
three
years
that
looks
at
how
much
centers
cost
and
what
type
of
centers
cost.
What
things
like
that
uk
also
conducts
a
workforce
study
every
two
years
and
the
workforce
study
looks
at
what
people
are
paid.
Are
they
offered
benefits
things
of
that
nature?
C
Now,
with
survey
data
you're,
not
looking
at
every
single
provider
in
the
state,
they
typically
get
around
400
participants
in
the
survey,
so
the
most
current
data
they
published
one
this
past
year
at
the
beginning
of
2022
that
was
specific
to
the
pandemic,
and
so
it
looked
at
some
things
that
they
don't
normally
look
at
in
most
workforce
studies
to
get
an
idea
of
how
the
pandemic
affected
things.
The
last
typical
workforce
study
that
they
did
was
in
2019
and
that
looked
more
at
you
know
the
norms.
How
many
you
know?
C
Do
you
offer
health
insurance?
Do
you
offer
additional
benefits?
Do
you
offer
paid
time
off?
What's
your
salary
range,
those
types
of
things
that
research
is
published
on
the
here
in
kentucky
looks
like.
A
Types
within
the
state-
okay-
that
was
the
main
goal
of
today's
meeting.
It's
hard
to
to
get
to
the
next
steps.
I
would
recommend,
if
you
have
some.
I
know
that
all
of
you
have
all
kinds
of
free
time
do
some
reading
as
we
go
through
this
process.
I
spent
an
hour
or
so
last
night,
just
looking
up
house
how
states
are
are
handling
this
issue
and
some
of
the
the
various
solutions
that
they're
coming
up
with
to
help
supplement
child
care.
A
Today's
time
you
can
bet
that
there's
going
to
be
some
type
of
child
care
component
to
my
offer
to
get
that
business
to
my
community.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
that.
I
think
owensboro
has
something
in
the
works
where
they
haven't
actually
taken
any
steps
yet,
but
they
are
pulling
all
this
together
as
a
community
and
we'll
probably
have
them
in
one
day
to
to
kind
of
get
updated
on
where
they're
headed.
A
But
I
think
you're
going
to
see
more
of
this
as
time
goes
by
with
communities
stepping
up
and
and
really
trying
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
it's
a
difficult
business
to
be
in
at
so
many
different
levels,
and-
and
it
is
critical
to
the
success
of
this
state-
all
facets
of
our
state.
So
we
have
got
to
come
up
with
solutions
outside
the
box
solutions
and
just
some
basic
fundamental
to
make
sure
that
these
providers
can
can
provide
for
their
families
can
make
a
living.
A
A
It
just
wouldn't
happen
it
and
that's
that's
sad
that
you
try
to
run
the
very
best
quality
that
you
can
give
your
families
and
you
can't
do
it
and
survive,
and
so
that's
that's
what
we're
looking
at!
A
That's
a
big
challenge
that
we
have
and
if
you
all,
can
read
up
as
much
as
you
can
to
kind
of
bring
some
of
the
ideas
that
you're
reading
from
other
states
into
these
meetings
and
we'll
probably
try
to
get
representatives
from
a
couple
other
states
that
we
recognize
as
being
successful,
get
them
in
to
kind
of
talk
about
what
they're
doing
and
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work.
A
Before
we
adjourn
any
of
you
folks
in
the
audience,
stakeholders
do
you
all
have
any
questions
or
any
comments
that
you
want
to
make
on
anything
that
you've
heard
and
again
from
this
point
forward.
I
want
this
to
be
interactive
with
all
of
us.
B
B
We
have
some
incredible
early
childhood
data
and
we
just
recently
just
actually
last
week
released
a
refreshed,
early
childhood
profile
and
we
have
some
really
incredible
data
from
birth
to
five,
and
so
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
look
at
that
data.
You
know
we
know
what
works
in
kentucky.
B
We
know
what
high
quality
programming
is,
what
it
looks
and
sounds
like
and-
and
so
you
know
dr
vandover
talked
about-
you
know,
blending
and
braiding
funding
sources
and
how
important
that
is,
and
so
I
would
just
really
encourage
us
to
maybe
invite
some
staff
from
ky
stats
in
kentucky
center
for
statistics,
and
so
that's
what
I
would
say.
Thank
you
so
much
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah-
and
I
you
know-
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear
as
we
go
through
this
process-
that
this
needs
to
very
much
be
a
cooperative
effort
with
the
executive
and
the
legislative
branch
and
a
bipartisan
effort.
This
will
benefit
all
of
us
if
we
can
solve
these
problems
and
get
the
right
trajectory
for
child
care.
Early
childhood
education
in
the
state,
senator
thomas
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
last
word,
sir,
because
I
respect
you
so
much.
A
A
Okay,
we're
looking
at
the
next
meeting
of
the
task
force
will
be
on
july,
the
26th
at
1pm,
and
I
want
to
apologize
to
you
all
because
in
all
likelihood
every
one
of
these
meetings
is
going
to
be
two
hours,
and
I
can't
guarantee
you
in
november
that
we're
gonna
be
done
with
this
and
I'd.
A
I've
talked
to
to
our
leadership,
and
if
we
have
to
carry
it
over,
then
you
know
we
just
want
to
make
sure
we
have
the
very
best
products
when
we
get
done
and
that
we
have
thoroughly
thought
through
these
issues
and
kentucky's
setting
the
standard.
We're
not
going
to
follow
we're
going
to
lead
in
this,
and
we
have
the
expertise
within
this
commonwealth
with
dr
vanover's
help
with
amy's
help.
A
We
can
make
it
happen
and
we
can
do
it
and
be
fiscally
responsible.
We
can
do
quality.
We
can
take
care
of
these
child
child
care
deserts
that
david
givens
always
talks
about
and
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
that
is
a
strong
component
and
look
at
some
look
outside
the
box
for
those
areas
and
what
other
types
of
organizations
can
we
bring
on
board
to
provide
these
services
that
are
maybe
more
common
in
rural
areas,
so
layer
after
layer
of
this
issue
and
we're
going
to
peel
back
all
of
them?