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A
It's
9
30.,
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
started.
This
is
the
jail
and
Corrections
reform
task
force
meeting.
This
is
meeting
number
five
yeah
number
four
on
Tuesday
September
26
2023
at
9,
30,
A.M,
Madam,
Secretary
call
the
roll.
A
We
do
have
minutes
to
approve
from
the
previous
two
task
force
meetings
which
staff
has
put
in
our
folders
and
you
also
had
access
to
before
the
meeting.
If
there's
no
objection
that
we're
going
to
vote
to
approve
both
sets
of
minutes
in
the
same
vote,
are
there
any
objections
to
doing
that
very
well?
At
this
time,
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
July
24th
20,
just
a
minute
July
24,
2023
and
August
28,
2023
I,
believe
I
heard
a
motion
senator
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
A
A
Mr
co-chair:
do
you
have
any
announcements
or
comments
before
we
start
do
any
members
of
the
task
force
have
any
introductions
they
wish
to
make
very
well
I'm,
very
excited
today,
to
have
my
friend,
Alicia
Webb
Edgington
she's,
the
president
and
CEO
of
the
Life
Learning
Center
in
Covington
Kentucky,
it's
great
to
have
you
here,
hadn't
seen
you
in
a
while
you
I
wanted
whatever
you're
eating
I
want
to
do
you
look
younger
than
the
last
time.
A
B
You
Mr
chairman,
and
to
your
colleagues
thank
you
for
having
me
Alicia,
Webb,
Edgington
I'm,
the
president
and
CEO
of
Life
Learning
Center
in
Covington
Kentucky.
We
are
a
non-profit
that
supports
the
at-risk
in
the
community.
Specifically,
we
a
good
portion
of
the
folks
that
we
are
serving
suffer
substance,
use
disorder,
mental
health
disorder
and
our
felony
convictions.
B
Having
done
that
bill
Butler,
who
started
Life
Learning
Center
his
mission
was
to
create
a
solution
that
was
a
cognitive
approach
to
change,
and
his
mission,
as
you
can
see,
is
to
support
the
at-risk
citizens
step
up
to
their
Highest
Potential.
And
what
do
we
mean
by
that?
That's
individuals
that
have
had
challenges
in
life
that
could
not
overcome
them
and
have
not
been
able
to
either
get
in
the
workforce
or
stay
in
the
workforce.
B
E
E
E
You
know,
and
since
then
it's
just
been
a
repeat:
I've
done.
Almost
every
program,
Kentucky's
got
the
offer.
Robert
came
to
the
jail
and
and
did
a
presentation
on
the
Life
Learning
Center
it
clicked
it
just.
You
know,
I
need
that
in
my
life
you
know,
I
need
some
kind
of
structure.
I'm
40
years
old
I
need
some
kind
of
structure.
I
I
need
help.
I
was
always
too
proud.
You
know
to
just
for
help.
You
know
there
was
days
that
I
walked
here.
E
It
took
me
three
and
a
half
four
hours,
the
second
they
found
that
out.
You
know
bus
bus
passes
for
transportation.
You
know
they
give
me
a
bicycle
to
get
back
and
forth
to
the
bus
stop
hardest
thing.
I
ever
had
to
do,
because
I
had
to
go
to
a
meeting
and
sit
with
a
bunch
of
workers.
You
know
that
decided
whether
I
got
my
kids
back
or
not,
and
all
they
did
was
downgrade
me.
Just
you
know
talk
so
poorly
on
me,
so
low
up
me.
They
didn't
feel
my
children
would
be
safe.
E
I
I
couldn't
do
nothing
but
hold
my
head
down
and
cry
so
when
I
come
back
here,
Miss
Alicia
met
me
in
the
cafeteria.
She
said
how'd
your
meeting
go
I
said:
oh
I
said
they
just
they
talk
poorly
of
me.
So
bad,
you
know,
I,
don't
think
I'm
gonna
get
my
kids
back.
I
said
all
I
did
was
just
sit
there
with
my
head
down
and
she
tugged
up
my
shirt.
She
said,
look
at
me.
E
She
said:
don't
you
ever
hold
your
head
down,
so
she
said
you
have
nothing
to
be
ashamed
of.
You
paid
for
everything.
You've
done.
Don't
you
ever
hold
your
head
down
that
hit
here
and
that
stuck
here,
no
more
I.
Don't
my
kids
got
to
come
to
my
graduation.
They
come
in
I.
Just
see
the
smile
on
their
face
run
up.
They
hug
me.
They
said
dad.
You
look
different.
You
sound
different,
there's
a
hug
him.
They
said
we're
proud
of
it
greatest
feeling
in
the
world
since
graduating
the
program.
E
My
life's
definitely
changed
changed
tremendously.
Every
way
we
have
full
custody
of
my
kids.
I
went
from
the
lowest
feeling
in
the
world
to
the
greatest
feeling:
I
have
a
stable
living
three-bedroom
house
for
me,
and
my
children
on
my
own
vehicle
I
got
a
job.
Rehab
remodeling
homes
belong
to
a
good
church
right
next
to
my
house,
so
recently,
I
was
baptized
me
and
my
children
we
attend
every
Sunday.
E
You
know
this
place
hasn't
only
impact
in
my
life.
It's
impacted
my
children's
life.
It's
not
only
people
in
addiction
or
trouble
that
can
use
this
program.
This
program
is
for
anybody
and
everybody.
This
place,
give
my
children
a
father,
I'm,
proud
of
who
I
am
I'm,
proud
of
how
far
I
came,
and
it's
definitely
because
of
this
place.
B
He
also
has
his
own
construction
company
on
the
side
he
came
in
last
week
to
let
me
know
he
said
Alicia
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
this
is
the
first
time
in
my
life
he
said:
I
will
make
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
this
year,
and
you
know
I
think
that
speaks
to
what
it's
going
to
take,
that
we
have
to
build
recovery
capital-
and
you
all
have
heard
us
talk
about
that
I'm
going
to
skip
a
couple
of
slides
here,
because
I
think
that
it's
important
to
talk
about
some
of
the
core
values
and
why
what
we
do
at
Life
Learning
Center.
B
We
believe
that
if
you
do
a
cognitive
approach
to
change,
that
means
an
education
piece
teaching
individuals
how
to
live
life
after
incarceration
or
after
they
have
been
in
treatment
that
you
then
jump
to
the
next
step,
which
is
sustainability.
That
means
getting
a
job
starting
a
career
and
keeping
that
career
going.
B
B
We
have
to
earn
their
respect
and
we
do
that
through
loyalty
to
them,
but
on
the
same
token,
we
do
it
with
discipline
and
then
contribution
in
turn.
This
is
not
transactional
at
Life,
Learning
Center.
We
expect
individuals
to
give
back
to
the
community
we
partner
with
our
city.
So
on
days
two
days
a
month
we
give
back
to
the
city
and
we
do
that
by
a
host
of
things,
including
keeping
our
block
clean
and
planting
flowers
and
putting
down
mulch
and
those
kinds
of
things.
B
The
folks
that
we're
serving
at
Life
Learning
Center
have
done
a
significant
amount
of
consumption
of
City
resources,
County
resources,
State
resources,
so
their
opportunity
to
give
back,
and
we
do
it
with
them.
We
don't
expect
anything
for
them
to
do
anything
that
we
won't
do
ourselves.
So
the
directors
were
out
doing
the
same
thing
and
many
times
they
will
say
to
us.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
the
opportunity
to
give
back
so
that
we
can
show
people
that
we're
different.
B
This
is
a
visual
of
the
12-week
program
that
goes
on
at
Life.
Learning
Center
candidates
are
in
our
building
three
days
a
week
for
three
hours
and
then
they
we
also
offer
night
classes
as
well.
The
two
biggest
blocks
of
instruction
are
foundations
for
a
better
life
and
working
for
a
better
life.
Those
total
80
hours
of
the
93-hour
course
of
instruction
the
foundations
for
a
better
life.
B
Is
them
looking
at
what
has
caused
them
to
get
into
the
situation
that
they've
gotten
themselves
into
and
really
pulling
the
onion
layers
back
to
try
to
get
to
the
root
cause
of
either
their
trauma
or
what?
What
has
resulted
in
them,
either
being
incarcerated
substance
use
disorder
or
are
they
treating
their
mental
health
issue?
B
B
The
care
Continuum
is
run
by
Master's
level,
social
workers
that
are
also
peer
support.
Specialists.
We
don't
hire
peer
support
specialists
at
Life,
Learning
Center,
unless
they
have
three
years
of
sobriety
under
their
belt.
The
care
team
I
will
stack
them
next
to
anybody.
They
can
do
it
at
a
risk.
Assessment
identify
the
needs
of
the
individual.
B
B
32
of
those
are
residential
they're
inside
the
facility
at
Life,
Learning
Center,
and
we
have
100
just
actually
about
102
now
of
local
non-profits
that
support
what
we
do.
That's
everything
from
food
pantries
to
LensCrafters,
to
Community,
Action,
commission.
Those
are
bilateral,
formalized
agreements
that
we
have
with
those
non-profits
so
that
we're
not
stepping
on
each
other's
toes.
B
Our
team
at
Life,
Learning
Center,
is
comprised
of
these
divisions,
employment,
multi-disciplinary
recovery,
re-entry
team.
That
particular
piece
is
a
reflection
of
Senator
Westerfield,
Senate,
Bill
90
work,
our
enrollment
team
education
care
and
then,
in
a
few
weeks
on
our
third
floor,
Saint
Elizabeth
Journey
recovery
will
be
opening
a
20,
000
square
foot
state
of
the
art
treatment
facility,
non-residential.
B
Our
pipelines
are
not
limited
to
criminal
justice,
but,
as
you
can
see,
74
percent
of
the
people
we
are
serving.
Are
there
on
court
orders
a
lot
of
community
engagement,
other
recovery
support
groups,
we
have
just
Inked
a
deal
with
the
diocese
to
one
of
the
priests
from
the
diocese
will
be
supporting
us
in
going
out
with
one
of
our
enrollment
Specialists
to
each
of
the
parishes
to
engage
relative
to
the
work
we're
doing
at
Life,
Learning
Center.
B
I
always
like
to
tell
folks
anecdotes
are
night
but
nice,
but
in
the
State
Police
anecdotes
didn't
go
very
far
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is.
We
all
know
that
if
we
can't
show
some
key
performance
measures
and
wear
people's
money
is
being
invested,
there
should
be
some
questions
asked
this
year.
As
you
all
can
see.
We've
had
943
referrals
year
to
date,
conducted
623
interviews
and
312
of
the
individuals
were
accepted
at
Life,
Learning
Center
271
went
to
a
higher
level
of
care.
Some
of
you
all
should
be
saying
Alicia.
B
What
does
that
mean?
That
means
individuals
showed
up
in
active
use
or
in
an
active
state
of
psychosis
with
a
mental
health
issue
40
out
of
scope.
That
means
that
individuals
were
either
violent.
Felony
offenders
that
did
not
qualify
for
our
program
had
active,
wants
or
warrants
or
were
sex
offenders.
We
have
a
daycare
facility
on
site.
So
therefore
we
cannot
serve
sex
offenders
at
Life,
Learning
Center.
B
B
I
would
argue
that
the
care
offerings
deployed
and
again
it
is
not
a
Band-Aid
to
just
hand
out
stuff,
but
these
are
things
that
individuals
must
have
so
that
they
can
get
back
in
that
Workforce
to
the
tune
of
4.8
million
and
through
the
work
of
those
collaborative
Partners,
18
000
Plus
care
offerings
to
support
individuals
that
are
in
recovery
that
are
getting
back
in
the
workforce.
You
cannot
graduate
from
our
program
at
Life,
Learning
Center,
unless
you
matriculate
to
post-secondary
education
and
or
you
are
employed.
B
I
think
it's
important
to
see
that
our
average
age
of
individuals
is
38
years
of
of
age.
A
lot
of
that
that
tells
me
going
on
nearly
40
years
in
law
enforcement,
we've
had
a
lot
of
Shoots
and
Ladders.
B
You
all
know
that
child's
game
they'll
go
up
three
steps
and
then
back
down
another
shoot,
and
this
is
the
first
time
I
can
tell
you
in
my
career
in
law
enforcement.
That
I
could
honestly
write
a
white
paper
to
the
Department
of
Justice
and
tell
them
that
we've
identified
identified
a
way
to
address
community
policing.
B
I
know
you
all
are
familiar
with
the
sequential
intercept
model
and
obviously
with
the
volume
of
people
that
we're
serving
that
are
in
the
criminal
justice
ecosystem.
Tara
Higgins
is
here
with
me
today,
she's
my
director
of
enrollment.
Here:
can
you
wave
back
here
yeah,
she's,
retired,
probation
and
parole,
and
this
is
Tara's
area
of
expertise.
B
But
as
we
were
just
talking
a
few
moments
ago
about
the
struggle
with
mental
health
and
the
Venn
diagram
that
overlaps
with
that
and
the
86
percent
of
criminal
background,
clearly,
that's
something.
We
struggle
with
Mr
chairman
every
day
relative
to
some
folks
showing
up
being
out
of
scope.
B
One
last
slide
relative
to
the
work
from
Senate
bill
90..
This
is
the
diagram
that
we've
put
in
place
with
our
Commonwealth's
attorneys
relative
to
getting
people
into
this
system
and
then
following
them
vis-a-vis
we
have
a
detective
from
the
Kenton
County
Police
Department,
that's
assigned
to
Life
Learning
Center.
He
directs
the
multi-disciplinary
team
every
Friday.
This
group
meets
to
review
the
people
that
are
in
the
system
to
make
certain
that
they
know
where
everybody
is.
If
somebody
is
not
where
they're
supposed
to
be.
B
A
Agree
subject
to
your
questions.
Thank
you,
Alicia.
Thank
you
for
being
here
again,
it's
great
to
see
you
and
your
work
is
renowned
in
Northern
Kentucky,
if
not
around
the
Commonwealth
and
really
Across
the
Nation.
So
it's
great
to
have
you
here
in
front
of
our
committee
I'm
sure
we
will
have
questions
one
of
the
things
that
I
like
about
your
testimony.
A
Is
you
say
that
the
relationship
is
not
transactional
because
I
think
so
often
we
fall
into
that
where
the
the
client
or
I
I
I'll
call
them
the
inmate
or
X
inmate
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
it's
that
that
we,
we
think
we're
going
to
fix
them
and
and
that
we're
giving
all
to
them
that
they
have
to
give
to
to
the
community
also
and
I
I
I
like
that
approach,
and
you
do
such
a
great
job
of
articulating
it.
Thank
you
for
your
leadership.
Do
we
have
any
questions
or
comments?
F
Chairman,
thank
you.
Alicia
I
appreciate
the
presentation.
I
had
no
idea
that
you
were
on
the
agenda
today.
I
do
have
a
question:
I
texted
Alicia
just
last
night,
because
the
life
skills
board
met
last
night
and
one
of
the
things
that
had
been
talked
about
that
we've
talked
about
actually
for
the
last
two
months
in
that
board.
F
Meeting
they're
a
client
of
mine,
but
they've
talked
about
what
Bowling
Green
is
looking
at
doing
and
what
hope
Hopkinsville
does,
which
is
to
build
something
that
looks
like
the
Life
Learning
Center,
and
also
what
the
Life
Learning
Center
is
not
there's
a
crisis.
Treatment
Center
model
as
well
that
places
like
the
Mental
Health
Co-Op
in
Nashville
Tennessee
has
got.
F
But
these
programs
are
where
you
see
a
lot
of
States
going
in
Arkansas
they've.
They
are
funding
crisis
treatment,
centers
from
the
general
fund
and
you've
got
other
places
that
are
doing
things
like
the.
D
F
Yeah,
you
heard
what
I
said,
but
it's
money
well
spent
I've
had
a
chance
to
tour
the
Life
Learning
Center
and
I
talked
about
it.
Last
night
and
I
mentioned
that
single
digit
recidivism
rate,
but
the
question
I
had
Mr
chairman
and
Alicia
was
how
many
years
are
you
looking
or
following
to
get
that
data
that
asked
that
was
asked
last
night.
B
G
E
F
Thank
you
for
that.
I
appreciate
the
hard
work,
you're
doing
and
I
I
hope
we
can
replicate
it
everywhere
else.
We.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
Edgington,
the
impact
you
all
have
had
in
Northern
Kentucky
is
you
know
it's
obvious
and
you've
got
the
data
to
back
it
up.
I
know:
Pulaski
County
they've
looked
at
doing
something
with
you
all
kind
of
modeling
that
and
kind
of
in
Bain
with
Senator
westerfield's
question.
It
sounds
like
you're
kind
of
reaching
out
across
the
Commonwealth
to
set
up
similar
things.
H
Can
you
just
kind
of
speak
to
that?
How
how
your
model
can
be
moved
across
the
Commonwealth.
B
Yes,
sir,
so
recently
we
have
been
in
Somerset
and
we
have
been
in
Moorhead
having
discussions.
I
took
our
board
chairman
Bill
Butler
to
Morehead,
and
he
had
great
interaction
with
Saint
Claire,
Hospital
staff
and
locally
elected
officials
there
as
well.
Also
your
colleague
from
Moorhead
and
representative
white
was
at
the
meeting,
I
think
there's
opportunities
for
us
to
be
able
to
scale
this.
B
If
you
will
in
other
areas
of
the
Commonwealth
working
with
the
communities
that
and
the
Community
Partners
that
are
already
there,
we
would
dare
not
say:
we've
got
the
corner
marketed
on
judgment,
but
we
do
think
there's
opportunities
for
us
to
collaborate
with
the
Community
Action
commissions,
the
other
treatment
providers
that
are
out
there,
the
hospitals
that
have
an
interest
in
doing
this
type
of
work.
One
thing
that
I
failed
representative
Brady
to
say
was:
we
have
seen
a
reduction
in
overdose
rates
in
Kenton
County
by
40
percent.
B
In
the
last
year,
we
can't
say
that's
clearly:
I
would
never
say
That's
All,
Because,
Of,
Life,
Learning
Center,
but
I
do
think
it's
the
collaborative
effort
with
the
work
with
the
multi-disciplinary
team
and
and
that
wraparound
support
and
US
keeping
up
with
folks
and
to
your
point
Mr
chairman
is
people
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
know
who
they
are
and
that
it
is
not
transactional,
and
so,
if,
given
the
opportunity
representative
bray
to
be
able
to
move
into
other
areas
of
the
Commonwealth
I,
would
that
is
my
passion
right
now.
A
And
with
that,
we
are
going
to
conclude
this
testimony.
Members
of
the
panel
you
have
well
I,
know
how
to
contact
her
and
I'm
sure
several
of
you
do
too.
If
you
need
to
talk
to
Alicia
Moore
about
this,
and
it's
been
great
to
have
you
here
and
thanks
for
coming
on
short
notice,.
A
A
Welcome
it's
great
to
have
you
here
again,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
You
have
30
minutes
allotted
that
includes
questions
good.
G
Thank
you
again,
Mr,
chairman
from
on
behalf
of
the
Kentucky
jail
Association,
want
to
thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
be
heard
from
this
table.
I
know,
we've
come
to
you
a
couple
of
times.
We
were
lucky
enough
to
be
able
to
offer
a
testimony
on
this
important
task
force.
So
with
that
I'll
jump
in
we
want
to
be
respectful
of
the
time.
We've
got
several
things
we
would
like
to
bring
as
potential
viable
Solutions
as
part
of
this
overall
process
to
continue
between
the
Commonwealth
and
local
jails.
G
As
we
have
been
in
the
past,
we've
got
some
some
issues
that
we
want
to
bring
up
and
some
potential
solutions
that
may
be
part
of
your
findings.
Jail
inspections
would
be
a
correctional
change,
something
that
we
think
are
is
very
important
but
needs
some
modification
and
I'll
go
into
depth
a
bit
on
that
the
we
would
like
to
see
or
propose
a
change
through
statute
to
create
an
office
of
the
inspector
right.
G
Now
the
the
grading
scale
is
in
compliance
or
non-compliance,
we'd
like
to
see
a
different
scale,
maybe
a
grading
scale
of
0
to
100
on
an
inspection
of
the
facility.
Anything
below
a
70
would
require
a
follow-up
inspection,
and
then
there
would
be
an
appeal
process
to
this
right.
Now
the
the
process
is
done
by
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Corrections,
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
have
an
adequate
scale
process.
G
Also.
We
want
to
talk
about
county-based
contracts,
similar
to
what
the
federal
system
does
for
those
facilities
in
Kentucky
that
hold
federal
inmates,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
that
would
address
would
be
the
fact
that
not
every
local
facility
is
created
equally,
and
so
some
of
our
facilities
are
small.
Some
of
them
are
medium-sized.
Some
of
them
are
larger.
Facilities
vary
in
their
ability
to
handle
programs.
The
medical
care
is
also
on
a
varied
scale:
access
to
different
treatment
programs,
re-entry
programs.
G
We
think
that
would
be
something
that
could
be
scalable
by
contract.
Right
now,
often
there's
a
contract
that's
referenced.
However,
most
of
us
have
never
seen
this
contract
with
the
Department
of
Corrections,
and
so
we
would
ask
that
someone
look
into
that
further
about
maybe
doing
an
individual
county
by
county
contract
I'm
going
to
be
the
guy
that
deals
with
part
of
the
elephant
in
the
room
and
that's
the
financial
piece
or
the
inmate
per
diem.
G
I
know
some
of
the
groups
that
have
testified
didn't
have
a
full
appreciation
of
the
work
that
you
all
did.
Many
of
you
all
did
last
session
on
the
increase
to
per
diem.
It
was
important
and
it
did
make
a
difference.
I
want
to
be
clear
about
that.
We're
very
appreciative
of
that,
and
all
local
government
should
be
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
bring
up
from
the
Department
of
Corrections
website.
G
G
the
total
adult
institution
average
cost
for
2011
was
59.31,
so
just
to
give
some
reference
to
that.
The
work
that
you
did
last
year
helped
but
I
think
there's
got
to
be
a
look
there
as
well
as
we
move
forward
into
the
future
if
the
cost
average
cost
not
the
highest,
not
the
lowest,
but
the
average
from
11
was
59.35
5931
we're
at
35
and
change
at
this
point,
and
it
is
taxing
to
local
governments.
I
think
you
heard
some
of
the
the
judges
Association
bring
that
as
well.
J
Thing
from
these
meetings,
you
know
that
seems
to
be
a
problem
getting
inmates
classified
while
they're
in
the
jail
when
they're
not
classified
when
they're
not
classified,
they
can't
go
to
programs,
they
can't
do
work
programs,
they
can't
take
classes
now.
Currently,
we've
worked
really
hard
in
our
jail.
We
have
almost
all
the
classes
that
that
the
state
allows
us
to
offer,
but
we'll
always
have
struggle
them
not
wanting
to
cancel
the
classes,
because
we
don't
have
enough
people
in
the
classes.
J
We
have
several
controlled
intakes
that
really
want
to
take
the
classes
of
waiting,
but
they
can't
take
them
until
they've
been
classified
and
those
those
rules
at
State
puts
up
that.
You
have
to
have
so
many
people
in
the
class.
If
we
have
it,
even
if
you
have
County
inmates,
they
don't
accept
that,
even
though
we're
paying
for
the
instructors
we
have
top-notch
instructors,
they
threaten
to
shut
down
the
classes
because
there's
not
enough
people
in
the
classes.
J
You
know
to
me
it
shouldn't
matter
if
it's
two
or
Twenty,
if
the
one
to
take
the
class
and
move
on
to
pay
for
it,
they
just
pay
an
extra
per
diem
amount,
but
not
having
them
classified
having
those
controlled
intakes.
It's
just
dead
time.
For
them,
they
can't
go
get
classes
even
within
the
mindset.
They
really
want
that.
A
Help
it's
a
point
very
well
taken
and
speaking
through
experience,
I,
don't
know
why
it
can't
be
fixed
and
I
know.
Chairman
Petrie's
worked
hard
as
far
as
the
classification
issued
try
to
get
it
resolved
and
as
far
as
the
classes
and
having
minimums
and
maximum
numbers
and
shutting
down
classes
and
all
that
stuff
is
just
blows.
My
mind.
But
I
hear
what
you're
saying
proceed.
J
We
believe
that
solution.
Also
the
jails
could
do
classification.
We
give
them
most
of
the
information
we
could
do.
A
training
class
I
think
a
good
solution
for
would
be
the
jails
to
be
able
to
classify
those
inmates.
We
do
it
on
a
daily
basis.
Now,
anyway,
another
stuff
I
like
to
talk
about
is
Health
Care,
Health
Care
reform.
J
J
Something
sorry
about
that,
so
we
think
the
state
can
should
take
control
of
of
housing.
Inmates
have
serious
medical
conditions
or,
if
not
at
least,
be
it
mandatory
for
them
to
pay
for
certain
medical
conditions.
Take
care,
it's
a
huge
burden
on
the
county.
J
Burden
on
the
county
we'd
just
like
there
to
be
mandatory
requirements
for
the
state
when
it
comes
to
medical
that
also
goes
into
Mental
Health.
Mental
health
is
becoming
an
ever
increasing
problem
in
the
county
jails.
We're
lucky
enough.
I
have
a
full-time
mental
health
provider
in
her
jail.
We
just
recently
got
that
person
40
hours
a
week
licensed
it's
made
a
huge
difference.
J
She
identifies
serious
mental
illness,
we
track
serious
mental
illness
Express
what
comes
to
use
of
force,
and
once
we
had
that
mental
health
piece
there,
it
significantly
reduced
use
of
force
with
people
with
serious
mental
illness.
She
was
able
to
identify
them
to
speak
with
them
anytime.
There
is
a
use
of
force.
She
immediately
goes
and
talks
to
them
and
assesses
the
situation.
So
it's
been
a
huge
piece
and
I
think
having
a
standardized
mental
health
at
all
jails
across
the
state
would
be
a
great
benefit.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
guess
to
your
point
about
the
cost
of
Medical
Care.
Clearly,
a
lot
of
these
people
are
in
and
that
are
in
jail.
I
mean
you
know:
I
hate
to
cast
a
wide
net,
but
a
lot
of
them
have
substance
abuse
issues.
Many
of
them
don't
have
work.
Don't
work
anyway.
K
Probably
have
some
level
of
poverty,
I
mean.
Are
you?
Could
we
sign
them
up
on
Medicaid
or
something
and
then
just
kind
of
use
that
to
pay
for
the
health
care,
rather
than
throwing
that
back
on
the
county?.
J
I
personally
think
Medicare
Medicaid
being
in
being
turned
back
on
within
jail,
I
think
if
I
remember
from
the
the
mental
health
judicial
committee,
they
put
in
a
request
for
an
exemption
for
that,
but
anything
to
help
pay
for
the
medical
treatment
would
make
a
huge
difference
in
Impact.
So.
I
It
is
a
is
it
even
though
they
haven't
been
found
guilty,
they
lose
their
benefits,
and
so,
when
they
leave
the
benefits
can
kick
back
on
or
if
they've
been
in
a
hospital
for
more
than
24
hours,
we
can
apply
for
emergency
benefits
on
their
behalf.
Otherwise,
if
we
take
the
whole
cost
of
the
expense.
A
Introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
If
he's
done,
you
have
about
15
minutes.
Okay,.
L
Total
Lisa
Yuri
Mason
County
jailer
I'm,
going
to
speak
on
credit
for
time,
serve
reimbursement,
I,
think
that,
with
the
introduction
of
the
house
bill
211
in
the
2022
legislation
legislative
session,
that
the
members
of
the
house
and
the
Senate
have
recognized
that
there
is
a
need
for
reimbursement
to
counties
when
inmates
receive
credit
for
days
spent
in
the
county
institutions
and
that
the
state
should
reimburse
the
counties
for
those
days
for
actual
costs
encumbered
by
the
counties
for
housing.
L
Also,
some
judicial
suggestions,
speedy
trial-
this
is
the
length
of
stay,
is
a
factor
to
in
that
determines
the
Jail's
average
daily
population.
So
delays
in
resolving
cases
to
people
who
are
held
can
contribute
to
overcrowding.
One
way
to
address
this
problem
is
through
application
of
speedy
trial
laws.
L
L
L
L
Similarly,
it
might
be
useful
to
point
out
that
most
cases,
people
won't
even
reach
the
time
limits,
as
Corrections
impact
statement
notes
that
people
sentenced
to
incarceration
on
felonies
in
2021
on
an
average
of
the
173
days,
PRI
of
pre-trial
credit,
the
and
those
detained
until
disposition
of
the
circuit
court
level
are
held
at
a
medium
of
109
days
before
being
released.
L
Having
he's
been
in
custody
with
us
for
420
days
with
his
last
appearance
in
court
was
in
July
of
this
year,
and
the
court
is
still
waiting
on
a
psyche
vow
from
kcpc
and
to
to
my
knowledge,
I
checked
on
him
yesterday
and
there's
no
indication
that
he
will
be
seen
anyway
soon,
and
it
also
has
been
determined
that
less
than
two
percent
of
the
cases
go
to
trial
and
all
on
all
the
other
98
are
negotiated
in
plea
deal.
L
A
A
Well,
that
means
you
did
a
wonderful
job.
No
one
has
any
questions
asking
last
time.
If
you
have
any
questions
or
comments,
I
I
got
one
question
probably
might
be
better
for
Senator
storm
I'm
curious.
How
many
states
have
statutory,
speedy
trial
laws
and
I
want
to
caveat
the
caveat
this
question
by
mean
just
because
other
states
do
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
I'm
in
favor
of
doing
it,
but
I
am
curious.
M
I'm
sure
you
wouldn't
be
in
favor
necessarily,
but
no
I
think
it's
35
States
have
that
and
we're
one
of
the
anomalies
that
don't
have
speedy
trial.
Although
we
have
a
constitutional
right
that
sets
forth
your
right
to
a
speedy
trial
Kentucky,
for
whatever
reason
has
chosen
not
to
codify
that,
and
that's
something
that
I
tried
to
do
a
couple
years
ago.
M
So
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
think
the
district
judges
were
in
favor
of
that
and
it
was
an
issue
maybe
with
some
circuit
judges
that
were
having
a
trial,
docket
issues,
but
I
think
you
pointed
out.
98
percent
of
the
cases
are
resolved
via
plea
and
only
two
percent
go
to
trial.
A
You
for
that
explanation
and
I
do
remember
that
that
legislation
well,
if
there's
no
questions,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
without
objection.
The
com,
this
task
force,
will
stand
adjourned
unless
there's
an
announcement
when's.
Our
next
meeting.