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A
A
At
this
time
we
do
not
have
a
quorum,
so
we
will
be
having
an
informational
only
meeting.
We
will
not
be
approving
the
minutes.
We
will
hold
those
for
the
next
meeting
at
which
we
hope
hope
to
do
have
a
quorum.
I
do
remind
everyone
in
the
audience
and
ourselves
as
well.
We
open
every
meeting
by
restating
the
purpose
of
our
commission.
C
Thank
you,
chairman
Goodwins.
It's
good
to
see
you
again
and
I.
Remember
a
number
of
my
colleagues,
both
in
the
Senate
and
and
in
The
Legend,
and
the
representatives
good,
to
see
everyone
here,
we're
here
today,
chairman
giving
us
on
some
very
serious
matters.
What
we've
seen
in
in
the
past
several
years
is
many
nail
salons
face
barriers
and
oppressive
tactics
from
the
regulatory
body,
the
border
of
Cosmetology.
In
many
cases,
these
Nail
Tech
nail
salons,
have
been
shut
down
or
been
heavily
fined.
C
C
We've
read
some
legislation
which
we
presented
last
month
before
the
licensing
occupations
committee
and
that
legislation
is
before
you
today,
and
the
legislation
include
several
things
like
having
the
length
the
tests
for
nail
technicians
being
given
in
multiple
languages.
Remove
any
caps
on
retakes
reduce
the
money
to
retake
the
exam,
have
inspectors
who
know
something
about
the
nail
technology
industry
and
have
a
seat
at
the
table
on
the
on
the
board
of
cosmetology
I'm
gonna.
Let
the
members
speak
more
to
that
they're.
C
The
reasons
that
that
I
am
here
and
so
I'm
going
to
begin
by
having
Miss
Molita
South
who's,
the
primary
spokesperson
for
the
nail
tech
industry
speak.
She
will
be
followed
by
Miss
Leanna,
Nguyen
Then,
followed
by
panya
sauce
and
then
our
final
speaker
today
will
will
be
Mr,
Michael
Carter,
so
Molita
I'm
going
to
let
you
begin.
D
Good
afternoon
your
honorable
chair
and
a
member
of
committees,
my
name
is
a
final
technician
and
representing
an
aapi
Community.
Today
we
Pro
we
would
like
to
present
a
crucial
proposal
for
the
new
industry.
Firstly,
we
advocate
for
fundamental
change
to
the
KBC
board
by
adding
a
board
member
with
no
technician
backgrounds.
This
will
help
provide
the
board
with
an
understanding
of
everyday
challenges
of
the
industry
and
better
Insight
on
how
to
properly
regulate
it.
D
Secondly,
we
urge
for
the
availability
to
take
the
written
exam
in
multiple
languages,
including
Cambodian,
Vietnamese
and
more.
We
need
an
Enterprise
and
have
an
end
to
limit
on
pest
retake
in
current
regulation.
After
three
failures
of
the
theory,
exam
individuals
must
wait
for
six
months
and
take
an
80
hour
pressure
course,
following
by
a
three-year
ban.
If
the
applicant
fell
another
two
more
attempts.
Three
events:
what
is
the
significance
of
these
matters?
D
This
does
not
make
them
deficient
in
their
ability,
a
sanitation
infection
control
or
skills.
So,
once
careful
nail,
techs
have
no
choice
but
to
leave
the
state
entirely
drop
out
of
their
fears,
became
jobless
or
rely
on
government
assistance.
The
state
will
lose
out
those
potential
workers
who
willing
to
work
long
hour
and
paying
tax
on
the
earning
we
work
12
hours
a
day,
7
days
a
week,
so
by
knocking
down
this
barrier
will
benefit
everyone
and
keep
Kentucky
remain
competitive
with
the
neighbor
State
in
this
10
billion
dollar
industry.
D
Furthermore,
we
must
address
a
sentence
alone
closer
without
prior
warning.
Many
salon
owners
have
a
profess
amid
the
shutdown
and
excessive
fund
without
warning
notice.
We
asked
the
committee
to
think
about
what
we
have
been
through
in
the
current
communication.
With
the
board
are
so
weak,
they
have
a
longer
delay
and
respond.
It
respond
take
months
or
never
heard
back
at
all.
They
limit
the
channel
of
the
communication
which
make
it
even
more
difficult.
Moreover,
the
fund
payable
are
only
through
money
order
or
currency
check,
makes
many
salon.
D
Owners
have
to
send
the
fun
free
multiple
time,
because
the
board
said
that
they
never
receive
it,
and
the
salon
owner
have
no
record.
Is
it
truly
never
receive
it?
So,
in
conclusion,
we
individually
gather
here
respectfully
requests
for
a
liquid
Equitable
modification,
such
as
by
having
no
representative
representation
on
the
boards,
examine
multiple
language,
unlimited
test,
retake
and
running
notice
before
any
action
against
salon
owners.
Our
objective
is
to
provide
a
safe
environment
which
Proficiency
in
English
does
not
determine
the
care
we
can
provide
to
the
public.
D
Our
diverse
aapi
Community
are
known
for
our
strong
work
ethic
dedication
and
believe
in
American
Dream
our
diversity,
enhanced
creativity
and
complete
contribute
to
economic
growth
in
Kentucky.
We
essentially
hope
that
this
committee
will
support
our
bills
and
more
and
for
operators
and
inclusive
more
future
for
aspiring
neurotechnician
in
Kentucky.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
would
like
to
pass
the
floor
to
misleans.
E
E
This
video
is
about
q
and
his
wife
Julianne
owners
of
Tippy
nail
Lounge
in
Louisville
Kentucky.
They
have
lost
everything
after
this
incident.
This
was
an
incident
that
could
have
been
handled
professionally.
Two
inspectors
walk
into
Tippy
nail
lounge
and
the
woman
inspector
reach
over
and
touch
the
dog
that
was
behind
the
counter
relaxing
peacefully
without
permission
and
the
dog
scratched
her
and
it
barely
broke
skin,
but
they
did
not
handle
this
professionally
and
Q,
and
his
wife
lost
everything.
E
A
E
Action
is
definitely
not
in
the
Kentucky
code
of
conduct,
yet
the
leaders
of
the
board
still
allow
this
man
to
roam
around
and
shut
down
more
nail
salons
as
we
speak
as
a
community.
This
makes
us
believe
that
the
board's
agenda
is
to
terrorize
the
Asian
community
in
Kentucky.
This
is
what
happens
when
license
agencies
take
out
the
human
factor
out
of
their
decision,
making
at
least
back
in
the
day
before
2016
the
board
actually
had
some
due
process.
E
That
is
why
we
are
asking
for
transparency
publicly
known
due
process,
because
a
decision,
a
one
person,
can
literally
change
the
course
of
someone's
livelihood.
No
one
person
should
have
absolute
power
to
shut
down
a
business.
An
inspector
should
have
an
education
in
Nails
before
becoming
an
inspector.
It's
time
to
see
that
we
are
hurt
all
over.
The
state
of
Kentucky
laws
and
regulations
are
constantly
changing,
but
we
are
never
informed,
not
even
a
letter,
yet
we
are
expected
to
operate
perfectly.
Let
him
who
is
without
sin,
cast
the
first
stone
John
8
7..
E
A
F
If
ensuring
sanitation
and
safety
to
the
public
is
the
main
focus
on
Kentucky
state
board,
we
must
offer
multiple
language
exams.
Sanitation
and
safety
are
number
one
Topic
in
the
in
the
written
portion
of
the
exam.
They
are
universal
language.
One
a
person
understand
it,
they
understand
it,
it
doesn't
matter
what
language
they
understand
it
in
most
of
the
worker
in
this
industry
are
non-native
English
speaker
to
test
people
in
a
language
that
they
do
not
comprehend
is
forcing
them
to
memorize
only
words
but
not
understanding
the
material
as
an
Experian
nail.
F
Techs
I
can
assure
you
that
to
be
perfect
to
be
a
good
one,
you
don't
have
to
be
proficient
in
English.
You
just
have
to
be
skilled,
which
you
can
become
through
practices
and
most
important
of
all.
You
have
to
be
able
to
provide
safe
and
clean
environment
for
your
customer
and
those
are
universally
understandings.
F
We
also
asking
for
No
Limit
testing,
because
studies
suggest
that
the
more
we
test
on
a
subject,
the
better
we
can
learn
and
in
real
life
situation,
there
is
no
limit
to
the
number
of
attempts
a
person
can
set
out
to
achieve
their
goal.
Lastly,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
at
57.4
percent
Kentucky
is
number
44
out
of
50
state
in
Workforce
participation
rate,
and
here
we
are
having
a
bunch
of
people
motivated
and
seeking
for
job
I'm,
a
True
Believer
in
the
opportunity
and
support
in
this
country.
F
F
Imagine
the
people
here
today
came
here
at
various
age.
We
had
different
different
age,
40
50
years
old.
It's
a
fact
that
it's
harder
to
learn
a
new
language
at
this
age,
so
they're
not
asking
to
make
the
exam
any
easier.
They
asking
you
to
knock
down
barriers,
so
they
can
go
on
and
pursue
proper
licensing
and
go
to
work
legally.
We
are
here
asking
for
work.
Thank
you.
G
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Michael
Carter
we're
here
today,
because
the
the
Kentucky
Board
of
Cosmetology
continues
to
display
Prejudice
and
unjust
treatment
towards
the
nail
industry,
we're
asking
for
inclusion
and
fair
treatment.
The
State
Board
displays
their
actions,
I'll
Lean
Forward.
Sorry,
the
the
State
Board
displays
their
their
actions
and
conversations
is
nothing
short
of
racism.
Referring
to
the
people
in
this
industry
in
a
derogatory
and
demeaning
ways.
This
is
from
the
top
down
it's.
It's
apparent
that
the
director
approves
of
this
Behavior
Kentucky
nail
industry
is
primarily
made
up
of
Asian
immigrants.
G
However,
the
Kentucky
Board
of
Cosmetology
feels
that
if
we
can't
speak
English,
we
can't
do
a
manicure,
that's
ridiculous.
We
have.
We
have
a
legislature
even
commenting
to
the
fact
that
tips
are
based
on
communication,
so
the
the
exam
should
only
be
in
English.
That's
the
most
ludicrous
thing.
I've
ever
heard
in
my
life,
we
go
to
a
Mexican
restaurant
there's
a
lot
of
Hispanics
that
don't
speak
very
well,
but
they
communicate.
We
give
them
a
tip
based
on
service.
G
G
A
The
end
of
this
portion
of
the
meeting-
yes,
okay,
we
do
have
others
that
are
here
to
testify,
and
so
we
will
hold
questions
from
committee
members
until
both
testimonies
have
happened.
We
appreciate
your
presentation.
We're
now
pleased
to
have
the
cosmetology
board
staff
here
with
us
executive,
director,
Julie,
Campbell
and
general
counsel,
Chris
Hunt,
if
the
two
of
you
would
come
to
the
committee
table,
would
certainly
appreciate
a
brief
presentation
from
you
on
the
questions
that
have
been
raised.
H
Thank
you
to
Senator,
Givens
and
committee
members.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
to
respond
to
the
legislation
and
the
accusations
there.
H
Let
me
stay
to
start
off.
I
do
have
a
presentation,
it's
not
big.
It's
just
got
a
little
bit
of
information
for
you
so
that
you
can
kind
of
see
who
we
are
and
what
we
do.
As
a
general
rule.
H
So
we
are
the
Kentucky
Board
of
Cosmetology
and
we
are
made
up
of
five
members.
We
are
made
up
of
two
Educators
one
from
the
Technical
Community
College
Area,
one
from
the
private
school
industry,
two
salon
owners
and
a
citizen
member
at
Large.
Our
board
chair
is
currently
a
CPA
and
a
citizen
at
large
in
Kentucky.
H
H
H
Individual
licensed
cosmetologists
are
trained
in
three
areas,
by
definition
and
by
training
they
are
able
to
perform
Hair
Skin
and
nail
Services.
They
are
trained
in
everything,
from
cuts
and
colors
and
styling
to
artificial
nails.
They
have
this
same
nail:
technician:
education,
as
in
the
same
education
as
a
nail
tech.
They
can
also
perform
the
same
Services
as
an
esthetician,
which
is
skin
care
and
modalities
for
that.
So
a
cosmetologist
for
lack
of
a
better
term
is
the
surgeon
world.
H
H
So
to
go
back
to
the
previous
slide,
several
accusations
were
made
about
Salon
licenses.
This
is
a
graph
showing
active
Salon
licenses.
As
of
this
morning,
6417
Salon
licenses
are
active
in
Kentucky
in
2022
and
2023.
We
had
22
emergency
closures
or
revocation
notices
posted,
which
is
point
three.
Four
percent
of
the
entire
Salon
licensing
base.
Out
of
those
20
22
excuse
me,
17
of
them
were
based
on
consumer
complaints
that
we
arrived
in.
Those
locations
for
others
were
because
we
had
multiple
complaints
in
a
large
County.
H
We
had
a
large
volume
of
complaints
from
consumers
on
all
Salon
types
in
Davies,
County
and
I
sent
all
of
our
inspection
staff
and
our
investigator
to
Davies
County,
and
they
visited
every
Salon
in
that
county
within
a
three-day
window.
H
The
only
two
I
believe
that
were
not
closed,
based
on
a
complaint
and
or
this
county-wide
sweep
were
closed,
based
on
a
regulatory
inspection
set
in
our
licensing
and
compliance
regulations
and
approved
by
arrs
to
the
fact
that
the
Board
of
Cosmetology
has
the
authority
and
is
supposed
to
visit
every
facility.
A
minimum
of
two
times
per
year
doesn't
always
happen.
I
have
eight
field
staff
when
I'm
at
full
capacity.
H
All
of
my
inspectors,
with
the
exception
of
my
investigator
Jason
back
Jason
back,
is
an
investigator.
He
has
a
police
background
and
credentials
a
law
enforcement
credentials.
The
other
inspectors
in
my
staff
are
all
licensed
cosmetologists
who
have
been
licensed
for
no
less
than
a
decade.
A
piece.
H
The
other
conversation
is
about
the
reasons
that
we
close
a
salon
and
the
authority
given
to
us
by
the
general
assembly
to
do
so.
These
are
just
two.
This
is
one
section
of
our
safety
and
infection
control
law
and
an
example
of
prohibited
items
that
are
found
in
almost
every
nail
salon
that
we
enter
and
a
reason
that
we
cite
individuals
or
close
them
down
for
safety.
Mma
is
a
nationally
prohibited
product
in
the
nail
industry.
Yet
when
we
arrive
on
site,
we
find
it
consistently
in
a
nail
salon.
H
It
causes
kidney
failure.
It's
meant
for
dental
monomer
as
a
dental
monomer
to
be
used
with
respiratory
respirator
coverage
and
it
is
being
used
on
nails,
and
this
is
the
result
of
what
that
occur.
What
can
occur
when
it
is
used?
It
can
cause
infections,
it
can
cause
kidney
failure
and
Dermatological
reactions,
not
to
mention
it
adheres
so
strongly
to
the
nail
bed
that
it
will
damage
and
can
completely
remove
a
natural
nail
because
it
is
not
breaking
free,
as
it
should.
H
H
The
safety
standards
that
we
have
set
have
been
reviewed
by
chfs,
Environmental
Services,
who
of
course
regulate
our
Health
departments
and
where
our
food
inspectors
and
things
come
from,
but
they
were
also
consulted
on
by
a
national
infection
control
specialist
in
the
industry,
who
is
an
RN
and
has
more
than
20
years
in
this
industry.
Working
for
major
infection
control,
product
providers
as
well
as
independent
Consulting,
and
testimony
in
these
cases.
H
Additionally,
this
is
an
unlicensed
individual.
Now,
if
you
look
at
this
picture
to
the
unseeing
eye,
it
looks
as
though
a
nail
tech
is
providing
a
nail
service,
which
is
great,
but
this
individual
is
unlicensed.
She
has
no
nail
license
and
no
cosmetology
license.
She
is
not
performing
services
in
a
safe
and
regulated
way.
H
H
H
This
is
the
past
fail
rate.
Psi
is
our
exam
vendor
at
this
time,
the
exam
to
provide
that
to
a
licensee
cost
the
board
82
dollars
for
that
individual
to
walk
in
the
door
so
of
the
85
dollars
being
charged
to
that
individual.
The
board
gets
three
dollars
for
time
and
all
of
the
other
details
that
go
into
making
sure
that
they
get
on
that
scheduling
list
the
make
sure
that
they
are
graduated
and
properly
documented
in
their
education
and
all
the
other
side
of
the
side
of
those
items
to
get
them
to
an
exam.
A
H
H
H
H
H
And
that's
my
last
slide,
so
Mr
Hunt
would
like
to
speak
on
our
the
discussion
about
the
tippy
nail
Lounge
and
the
video
that
was
not
shown
and
that
scenario.
I
Please
proceed.
Thank
you.
Senator
Givens
make
sure
that
I
can
be
heard.
There
were
a
couple
things
and
I
wanted
to
mention.
I
think
it
might
be
useful
to,
and
this
will
be
short
and
painless,
I
hope
in
terms
of
how
the
procedure
works.
If,
if
one
of
our
inspectors
enters
a
salon
and
finds
violations,
they
will
draft
an
investigation
report
where
they
will
detail
their
findings
and
any
and
the
violations
they
found.
They
also
document
those
with
photographs.
I
Sometimes
we
take
video,
that's
a
technical
issue,
we're
trying
to
find
a
reliable
body,
cam
type
video,
so
we
can
have
that
more
regularly,
but
we
haven't
we're
not
quite
there
yet
turns
out
it's
a
little
more
difficult
to
to
make
that
work
than
it
might
seem
on
his
face.
But
at
any
rate
we
do.
We
do
document
those
with
photographs
and
in
a
report
that
investigation
report
is
provided
immediately
to
the
licensee.
I
That
report
clearly
tells
them
in
writing
on
the
investigation
report
by
law.
They
have
10
days
to
submit
a
response
in
practicality.
The
board
only
meets
once
a
month
and
prior
to
the
board
meeting.
There's
a
committee
that
reviews
all
of
these
all
these
investigations,
any
of
those
cases
that
have
that
have
come
up
over
the
the
past
month
or
or
more,
and
they
make
recommendations
to
the
board.
I
So
in
reality
these
licensees
have
Beyond
10
days
to
respond
and
in
my
just
over
two
years
with
the
board,
not
once
has
I
have
I
ever
told
a
licensee
or
their
attorney
I
will
not.
The
board
will
not
consider
your
response
because
it
came
in
after
10
days.
I
I
So
there
were
a
lot
of
comments
about
due
process
and
transparency
and
I
think
it's
important
for
the
commission
to
understand
how
we
operate
once
that
time
has
passed
and
the
board
reviews
it
and
makes
some
kind
of
decision
that
licensee
receives
a
letter
and
an
agreed
order
that
outlines
their
rights
and
it
outlines
what
the
board's
decision
would
be.
I
In
other
words,
the
board
found
the
following
violations:
it
has
assessed
the
following
discipline
of
whatever
that
may
be,
and
it
can
run
the
gamut
as
defined
by
Statute,
so
it
could
be
fines,
suspensions,
probation,
all
the
way
up
to
revocation
in
that,
in
that
communication
to
the
licensee,
it
is
clearly
explained
to
them
that
they
can
accept
the
agreed
order
and
the
ruling
of
the
board
if
they
choose
not
to
they
have
30
days
by
Statute,
to
request
an
administrative
hearing
under
KRS
chapter
13B.
I
All
of
that
is
explained
to
them,
and
they
are
of
course,
given
that
that
30-day
time
frame
at
any
point
in
that
process
and
frankly
Beyond
as
the
board's
attorney
I
can
I
can
tell
you
and
I
can
give
you
plenty
of
specific
examples
if
you
would
like
them
of
times
when
these
deadlines
have
long
passed
and
I
am
more
than
happy
to
hear
whatever
they
have
to
say
or
provide
to
us
or
whatever.
I
Their
attorney
may
want
to
present
to
us-
and
there
have
been
times
when
the
board
has
taken
that,
even
though
it's
come
in
late
and
they've
altered
their
decision
of
the
22
cases
that
Miss
Campbell
mentioned
there.
That
would
that's
over
the
past
two
years
we've
had
so
those
are
22
cases
where
the
board
has
entered
an
emergency
order,
shutting
down
a
salon
or
voted
to
revoke
a
salon
of
those
22.
I
12
of
them
are
open
today
that
some
some
sort
of
arrangement
was
reached
and
they
were
allowed
to
maintain
their
license
and
continue
to
operate
in
a
number
of
those
instances.
Some
of
them
were
emergency
orders
only
so
in
other
words,
the
board
entered
an
emergency
order,
suspending
the
license
and
closing
the
salon,
but
did
not
vote
to
revoke
that
Salon
license
in
in
most
of
those
instances,
those
salons
opened
within
days
of
the
emergency
order
being
entered,
sometimes
if
it
took
longer
than
that.
I
It's
because
the
licensee
requested
additional
time
to
to
address
whatever
issues
were
cited
by
the
board.
They
say:
I
need
a
week
to
get
my
salon
straightened
up
and
ready
to
go
for
an
inspection.
We
conduct
another
inspection.
If
they
pass
that
inspection,
then
they
can
open
up.
So
that
leaves
10
that
have
since
they
were
revoked.
They
have
stayed
closed
of
those
10
I.
Don't
have
the
specific
numbers.
I
apologize,
I
go!
Look
if
you
want
them
a
handful
of
those.
The
salon
was
sold
to
somebody
else.
I
The
license
was
transferred
to
another
person
and
in
the
I
would
say
the
majority
of
those
22
cases.
We
received
no
response
to
the
initial
notice
of
violations,
in
other
words
the
investigation
report
when
they
had
the
10
days
to
respond
and,
as
I
explained,
really
more
than
10
days
there.
It
is
very
common
that
we
never
receive
a
response,
there's
never
an
explanation
and
in
all
of
those
cases,
of
those
22
cases
except
the
couple
that
were
emergency
order
only
so
in
all
of
the
revocation
cases.
I
This
was
the
third
or
fourth
time
that
they
had
been
cited
and
in
those
previous
ones
and
when
I
say
cited,
I
don't
mean
they
failed
to
post
the
last
inspection
and
so
we're
revoking
you
I
mean
every
time
our
inspectors
have
gone
in
they've
cited
they've
been
cited
for
having
multiple
unlicensed
persons
at
the
salon
and
in
the
previous
instances
they
will
assign
an
agreed
order
where
they
admitted
that
there
were
unlicensed
persons
working,
for
example,
or
they
were
reusing,
single-use
items
on
folks
or
they
were
using
prohibited
items
like
Miss
Campbell
explained
so
at
no
point
ever
in
my
two
plus
years
on
this
board,
or
any
case
that
I
reviewed
that
was
in
that
was
that
happened
before
I
came
on
board.
I
I
I
can
think
of
two
times
that
our
inspector
walked
into
a
salon
and
there
wasn't
a
single
licensed
person
in
the
in
the
business
and
and
one
couldn't
be
produced
in
any
kind
of
reasonable
time,
but
there
were
customers
in
chairs
being
provided
services,
and
so
on
that
basis
and
I
I,
don't
have
any
problem
telling
you.
My
recommendation
in
those
instances
was
to
shut
them
down
until
they
could
get
some
some
actively
licensed
competent
people
working
the
salon.
I
So
with
with
that
being
said,
when
it
comes
to
Tippy
nail,
Lounge
I
will
tell
you
that
the
owner
of
Tippy
nail
Lounge
has
requested
an
administrative
hearing
under
KRS
chapter
13B.
That
is
proceeding,
and
we
just
had
a
telephonic
pre-hearing
conference
on
that
recently,
the
board
has,
when
the
board
reviewed
that
case,
our
inspector
had
entered
that
Salon.
They
asked
the
owner
a
question
they
were,
they
were.
I
They
were
looking
for
some
particular
items
or
asking
about
where
certain
items
were
stored
when
and
the
the
inspector
was
directed
to
a
particular
drawer
to
station
when
that
inspector
reached
to
open
that
drawer.
One
of
the
dogs
that
the
owner
had
in
that
Salon
bit
her
and
broke
the
skin,
didn't
scratch.
Her
did
scratcher
but
bitter,
and
at
that
point
our
inspectors.
I
Told
the
owner
to
to
collect
their
animals
and
get
them
away
that
owner
did
not
do.
That
is
based
on
the
testimony
of
our
the
the
information
provided
by
our
inspectors
and
anything
that
I've
seen.
I
In
fact,
one
of
the
videos
that
the
owner
of
that
Salon
posted
on
their
social
media
account
shows
the
inspector
asking
him
to
remove
the
animal
and
the
owner,
ignoring
him
and
continuing
to
work
on
a
client
while
that
dog
walked
around
now
we
can
debate
the
details
and
I'm
sure
they
will
be
debated
by
me
and
somebody
else
down
the
road.
But
if
you
have
dogs
in
a
place
open
to
business
to
the
public,
it
is
your
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
that
animal
doesn't
harm
somebody.
I
I
We
had
also
asked
the
owner
of
Tippy
nail
Lounge,
while
this
was
going
on
after
the
board
reviewed
everything.
This
was
in.
The
agreed
order
that
was
submitted
is
to
demonstrate
that
that
dog
had
that
was
properly
vaccinated
to
this
day
that
owner
of
Tippy
nail
Lounge
has
refused
to
provide
that
information.
I
So
we
don't
know
whether
that
dog
was
vaccinated
or
not,
and
our
inspector
had
to
go
through
whatever
medical
Protocols
are
involved,
to
protect
her
based
on
the
injuries
that
she
suffered.
That's
just
one
example
in
the
agreed
order
in
the
findings
of
the
board
for
Tippy
nail
Lounge,
we
identified
no
less
than
14
separate
statutory
or
regulatory
violations.
I
We
have
also
asked
for
the
claim
has
been
made
that
the
owner
has
complete
unedited
video
of
the
day
of
the
inspection
that
information
has
been
refused
to
the
board
up
to.
As
of
today,
the
board,
pursuant
to
its
Authority,
issued
an
order
to
that
owner
to
produce
that
video,
and
that
order
was
ignored.
I
Now
I've
since
had
a
conversation
with
his
attorney.
His
attorney
assures
me
that
he's
going
to
provide
me
that
video
to
date,
I,
don't
have
it
so
in
terms
of
what
actually
happened.
Any
video
evidence
of
that
we're
happy
to
look
at
it.
We've
asked
for
it,
it
hasn't
been
provided.
I
would
just
submit.
Also
I
won't
beat
this
horse
anymore.
I
will
just
submit.
I
There
were
a
number
of
violations
in
this
Salon
Beyond,
just
the
dog
that
bit
one
of
our
inspectors,
and
there
was
ample
reason
that
there
for
the
board
to
believe
that
there
was
an
immediate
threat
to
the
public
and
under
that
Authority
by
Statute.
The
board
suspended
their
license
by
emergency
order.
H
I
And
so
I
know
I
know:
we've
we've
gone
through
a
number
of
things:
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to.
If
we,
if
we
want
to
go
any
further
on
on
the
on
Senator
Thomas's
proposed
bill
or
not,
I
would
I
have
additional
thoughts
on
that.
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
hear
them
now
or
if
we
want
to
save
it
for
another
time.
A
Let
me
that's
it's
a
great
segue
for
me
to
shift
the
focus
for
just
a
moment,
two
thoughts
that
I'd
like
to
make
clear.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
responding
thanks
for
being
here
today.
I
want
to
clarify,
with
the
two
of
you
that
we
have
not
had
any
conversation
prior
to
this
meeting,
I'm
glad
you're
here,
I
didn't
know
you
were
coming.
A
The
second
point
I'd
like
to
make
briefly
and
and
I'm
confident
some
of
my
colleagues
may
have
questions
regarding
the
incident
that
is
under
discussion,
but
I
would
encourage
my
colleagues
when
we
do
get
to
q
a
in
just
a
few
moments.
Those
questions
I'm
not
going
to
restrict
you
from
asking
those
questions,
you're
welcome
to
ask
them
but
understand
that
what
has
transpired
is
going
to
be
adjudicated
either
in
the
judicial
system
or
by
the
board
and
or
both
we're,
not
a
court
of
law.
A
We're
not
here
to
hear
all
the
evidence
we
certainly
do
wish
to
move
forward
in
the
places
we
can
on
this
subject
of
trying
to
find
the
balance
of
safety
and
licensure
and
so
I'd
love
for
us
to
the
degree
we
can
focus
our
questions
on
this
discussion
about
the
proposed
legislation.
I'd
really
like
to
see
us
spend
our
time
doing
that
so
now
share
with
us
your
thoughts
and
concerns
regarding
the
legislation.
I
A
I
So
and
Miss
Campbell
May,
we'll
probably
have
to
jump
in
to
help
me
a
little
bit
on
this
I
wanted
to
go
over
very
quickly
the
testing
process.
There
were
some.
There
was
some
some
materials
presented
that
were
critical
of
of
how
that
worked.
So
I
wanted
to
say
if,
if
a
student
enters
a
school,
pursuing
a
nail
tech
license
so
using
the
example,
that's
provided
in
this
document
that
person's
going
half
time
so
they're
going
to
school
20
hours
a
week.
I
I
want
to
point
out
that's
their
choice.
They
can
go
up
to
40
by
law.
They
can
get
up
to
40
hours
of
Education
in
a
week,
so
their
education
would
take
them
to
complete
approximately
22
and
a
half
weeks
assuming
at
part-time
and
that's
assuming
they
don't
miss
any
days
or
anything
like
that
happens.
I
The
statement
is
made
in
here
that
it
would
take
approximately
a
month
to
schedule
each
exam.
That's
not
true.
When
somebody
graduates,
a
school
bylaw
has
10
days
to
report
that
graduation
to
the
board,
and
then
it
takes
the
board.
It
can
take
the
board
any
anywhere
from
a
couple
of
days
to
possibly
up
to
a
week
to
process
that
information
and
relay
it
to
psi,
which
is
the
company
that
does
our
testing
for
the
theory
and
practical
exams.
I
Once
that
happens,
the
licensee
receives
an
email,
so
the
minute
the
board
notifies
PSI
and
PSI
puts
them
in
there
in
their
database.
They
receive
an
email
that
makes
them
eligible
telling
them
that
they
are
eligible
to
register
for
an
exam
they
theoretically,
depending
on
the
timing,
could
take
that
exam
the
next
day
the
theory
exam
it
would
be
possible
for
them
to
essentially
take
that
exam
theoretically,
one
day
after
another.
So
they
could
take
three
exams
in
three
days
as
a
practical
matter,
depending
on
the
timing.
I
Usually
they
may
need
a
24-hour
window
before
that's
all
processing
the
system,
and
then
they
can
register
for
an
exam,
so
that
person
could,
if
they
wanted
to
take
three
exams
inside
of
a
week
a
week
to
10
days.
I
It
is
true,
it
is
in
law
that
once
they
have,
if
they
have
taken
that
exam
three
times
and
failed
it
three
times,
they
are
required
to
wait
six
months
during
which
time
they
are
required
to
complete
an
80-hour
course,
a
refresh
course
or
a
brush
up
course.
It's
called
different
things
and
those
time
periods
are
are
not
they're,
they're,
concurrent
they're,
not
consecutive.
I
So
while
that
six
months
is
running,
you
can
get
your
80
hours,
you
don't
have
to
get
the
80
hours
and
then
wait
six
months
once
that
happens,
then
they
can
test
two
more
times
under
the
same
scenario
and
just
explained
to
you.
So
theoretically
they
could
take
those
two
exams
inside
of
two
to
four
days
if
they,
if
they
so
chose.
I
If
that
happens,
then
by
law
they
do
have
to
wait
three
years
by
law.
Their
educational
hours
are
good
for
five
years
from
the
date
of
enrollment.
So
if
you,
if
you
calculate
all
that
out
a
nail
tech,
a
prospective
Nail
Tech
licensee
could
take
our
exam
in
a
five-year
span.
I
10
times
at
which
point
they'd
have
to
go
back
to
school
and
complete
the
450
hours
which
they
could
complete
if
they
went
full-time
in
approximately
three
months,
at
which
point
the
process
would
begin
again.
So
there
is
no
hard
cap.
There
is
no
point
where
the
board
says
to
somebody.
You
may
never
ever
test
for
or
receive
a
nail
technician
license
from
the
state
of
Kentucky.
It
doesn't
exist.
It's
never
happened,
not
because
of
testing,
so
the
the
calculations
that
are
in
the
document
I
would
submit
to.
You
are
not
accurate.
H
H
They
give
a
real
estate
exam,
an
Appraiser's
exam
CP
I,
don't
know
that
they
give
the
CPA
exam,
but
you
understand
what
I
I
mean:
there's
there's
a
variety
of
of
Licensing
types
and
they
all
of
these
exams
are
thoroughly
vetted
each
question
by
the
time
the
vendor
is
done,
costs
approximately
ten
thousand
dollars
to
create
that
by
the
time
they
have
all
the
evaluations,
the
psychometrics,
the
subject
matter,
expert,
travel
and
and
compliance
not
to
mention
that
those
forms
are
rotated
every
two
years
approximately.
H
H
It
is
not
given
in
all
languages.
We
can't
access
it
in
all
languages.
It
is
impossible
for
us
to
do
so.
They
don't
offer
it.
They
offer
it
in
several
languages,
but
not
every
language.
To
be
clear.
The
text
that
teaches
cosmetology
the
cosmetology
industry
is
got
approximately
a
99.5
market
share
by
two
companies
of
curriculum,
pivot
point
and
Milady,
which
is
a
cengage
product.
H
H
A
A
J
I
appreciate
you
finally
getting
to
the
the
proposed
legislation:
I'm
not
here
to
litigate
I,
agree
complete
with
the
chairman,
arguing
and
and
back
and
forth
about
what
happened
at
the
once
a
line.
I'm
sure
you
all
are
very
concerned
about
that.
That's
not
for
this
forum
at
all,
so
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
that,
and
that's
not
what
I
care
about
this
at
the
this
particular
moment.
J
I
don't
see
anything
objectionable,
so
the
five
recommendations
that
they're
asking
for
and
by
Miss
Campbell
hold
on
a
second
hold
on
Miss
Campbell.
You
mentioned
that
that
it
is
you.
You
just
said
that
it
was
available
in
multiple
languages.
It
seems
that
I
don't
know
what
languages
they
make
it
available
in,
but
it
seems
that
that
seems
like
a
reasonable
request
and
really
the
what
you
just
mentioned.
The
very
last
thing
that
you
said
goes
back
to
what
masoth
said:
who
is
sitting
next
to
Senator
Thomas.
J
H
J
H
J
Did
but
with
regard
to
their
recommendations
here
that
they
talked
about,
they
don't
mention
that
you
all
mentioned
the
85
and
that
82
of
that
covers
the
cost
of
the
exam,
and
three
of
that
comes
to
the
board.
Yes,
their
five
recommendations.
Don't
have
anything
to
do
with
that.
They
don't
mention
that.
J
H
J
J
I
I
don't
see
any
issue
on
that
are
the
complaints
offered
in
multiple
languages.
Mr
Hunt,
you
mentioned
it's
Mr,
Hunt
right.
That's.
I
J
You
mentioned
that
when
your
investigators
are
on
site
that
that
they
will
do
a
complaint
or
an
investigative
report
on
the
nomenclature,
I
might
be
butchering
there,
and
then
they
have
10
days,
though
you've
talked
about
how
it's
effectively
longer
than
10
days
to
respond.
Is
that
offered
in
a
different
language.
I
J
Okay,
the.
J
H
On
section
five,
on
page
three
of
the
draft
legislation
number
letter,
e
and.
J
Fair
Point,
thank
you.
I
didn't
notice
that
in
the
language,
I
was
looking
at
just
their
broad
recommendations.
So
I
appreciate
you
finding
that
if
the
costs
are
what
they
are,
then
they
are
what
they
are.
A
question
about.
The
out-of-state
exam
and
I
saw
the
date
up
there.
Is
there
a
different
exam
for
someone?
That's
coming
from
out
of
no.
J
Okay,
so
the
number
of
hours
is
what
matters
in
terms
of
their
education
prior
to
the
exam
that
the
curriculum
doesn't
matter.
It's
just
the
hours
is
that
the.
H
H
H
H
J
J
J
That's
this
is
not
the
appropriate
venue
for
that
and
so
to
hear
you
I,
I,
think
and
I
and
I
appreciate
the
the
intent
with
which
you're
the
the
spirit
with
which
I
think
you
answered
the
question
you
you
don't
want
to
make
decisions
based
on
race
and
you
don't
want
to
look
at
at
or
ask
those
questions
or
or
fear
any
sort
of
bias
in
that
regard.
And
yet
you
were
happy
to
broadcast
a
photo
of
any
complaint.
That's
not
about
race
in
that
particular
regard.
J
I
had
some
other
questions
you
all
have
addressed.
Some
of
that
I'd
be
curious
to
know
what
the
the,
what
the
failure
rate
is
compared
to
other
states,
it's
troubling,
to
see
on
the
full
cosmetology
exam.
Your
Pass
rates
are
really
really
strong,
and
you
understand
why
I'm
asking
about
the
racial
question
there.
J
Not
blaming
the
commission
but
I
think
it's
worthy
of
examining
for
such
failure
rate
or
Pass
rates
to
be
so
much
substantially
lower
on
that
nail
exam
and
again,
if
it's
a
national
exam
you're,
not
making
the
exam
I
think
that
language
barrier
could
probably
be
a
part
of
that
that
that's
all
I've
got
right
now
that
was
sort
of
a
stream
of
Consciousness,
but
I
I
seem
to
think
and
again
I
appreciate
you
clarifying
on
the
on
the
fee
and
and
clarifying
on
the
fact
that
there's
no
limit
on
retakes
I'll
close
my
remarks
and
saying
I
think
the
three-year
ban
is
silly
I
think
we
should
wheel
out
I
appreciate
it.
J
I
chairman,
I
I
think
we
ought
to
let
people
work
and
it,
and
it's
not
just
unique
to
this
particular
industry
and
not
just
unique
to
Asian
American
Pacific
Islander
Americans,
that's
it's
everybody!
They
should
be
free
to
try
to
work.
If
you
can't
pass
the
test,
you
can't
pass
the
test.
I.
Think
the
language
barrier
is
a
problem
there
and
we
can
address
that
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
request.
A
pretty
low
bar
frankly
I
appreciate
the
explanation
on
the
due
process
concerns
there.
J
I'm
troubled
and
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
ask
the
panel
why
they
thought
they
needed
to
use
legal
interventions
to
prompt
board
response.
That
was
one
of
the
things
they
said,
I'd
like
to
hear
some
explanation
of
that
from
them
or
from
you
all,
but
that's
all
I
have
this
time
chairman.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Senator.
A
H
A
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
If
that's
okay-
and
you
don't
have
to
give
me
all
the
answers
now,
because
some
of
these
I
don't
expect
you're
going
to
have
the
answers
to
this
first,
one
I
think
you
will
of
the
22
facilities
that
were
closed,
I
think
over
the
last
two
years.
How
many
of
those
wore
nail
specific
I
mean
how
many
hair
salons
versus
how
many
nail
salons?
Are
you
versus
you
know
as
suggestions
I'd.
K
I
If
I
can,
just
by
way
of
explanation,
we
have
a
couple
of
different
businesses,
business
license
types
so,
for
example,
some
businesses
may
start
out
as
a
as
a
salon
licensed
only
to
perform
nail
services,
but
they
may
want
to
add
waxing
services
that
puts
them
into
a
different
type
of
license
category.
So
that's,
that's
part,
that's
the
main
reason
why
I
can't
give
you
that
answer
without
percent.
K
It
all
right
of
the
14
claims
against
Tippy
Nails.
Could
you
tell
us
what
the
most
egregious
violation
was
in
your
opinion?
I
know
we're
not
I'm
just
curious.
I
Mean
I
can
give
you
one
right
now.
If
you
want
it,
there
was
an
unlicensed
person
providing
services,
they
were
providing
unlicensed
Services,
they
had
an
eyelash
Artistry
set
up
there
and
they
were
providing
those
Services
they
weren't
licensed
to
do
so.
K
K
Just
wanted
to
get
an
idea,
an
idea
of
what
we're
talking
about
okay,
another
question
and
then
then
I'll
follow
it
up
by
just
my
last
one.
Do
you
know
what
percentage
of
your
cosmetologists
versus
what
percentage
of
your
nail
technicians
in
this
state
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
have
English
as
the
first
language
I?
Don't
expect
an
answer
now,
but
I
would
like
an
answer
if
you
can't
provide
it
I.
K
Ask
any
of
that
my
last
question
and
and
bear
with
me
on
this,
because
you
know
I
too,
am
and
controlled
by
a
board.
You
know
for
me,
it's
the
word
of
Medicine.
K
Like
to
make
a
statement
that
thank
God,
that
there
is
not
this
animosity
between
the
board
and
the
people
it
represents
in
in
my
world,
because
that
would
be
a
real
problem.
A
real
problem
in
the
animosity
shows-
and
it
shows
on
both
sides
so
clearly
there's
a
problem,
because
the
board's
job
is
to
make
sure
that
people
are
doing
their
jobs
and
when
there's
this
much
animosity,
something's
not
going
right.
But
but
my
real
question
has
to
do
with
the
Pass
rates.
K
Pass
rates
of
37
42,
46
percent
after
450
hours
of
accredited
schooling
I,
would
see
that
as
an
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed
on
the.
H
H
K
B
H
K
K
I
We
lobbied
for
and
got
a
requirement
that
those
schools
become
accredited
which
wasn't
in
place
previously
when
either
one
of
us
started.
I
So
if
I,
if
I'm
a
if,
if
they're
accredited
it's
an
extra
layer,
we
hope
of
protection
or
some
assurance
that
they
are
educating
their
students
properly.
I
will
also
point
out
to
you
that,
given
the
board's
staff,
it
is
impossible
for
us.
The
only
way
we
could
absolutely
ensure
is
if
we
had
somebody
sitting
in
a
classroom
at
every
one
of
these
schools
every
single
day
the
education
doesn't
happen
in
a
vacuum.
It
happens
over
a
long
period
of
time
and
and
we
simply
do
not
have
the
resources.
I
That's
the
only
way
to
be
perfectly
Frank
to
that.
We
could
do
this
and
we
just
don't
have
that,
and
so
we
do
the
best
we
can
with
accreditation
and
the
other
sorts
of
requirements
that
we
have
in
trying
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
required
number
of
hours
and
and
so
forth.
I
We
try
to
verify
when
the
school
opens
and
along
the
way
that
they're
at
least
documenting
that
they
are
teaching
to
the
particular
curriculum
that
they're
required
to
and
frankly
we
have
the
exams,
and
so
this
is
just
a
personal
comment.
I'm,
not
a
member
of
the
board.
I,
don't
speak
formally
for
the
board.
I
would
just
submit
that
if
we,
if
we
took
a
school
that
had
what
I
presume
you
would
be,
you
would
consider
to
be
an
unacceptable
pass
rate
and
we
closed
that
school
down.
K
Folks
that
run
into
school
closing
that
school,
that
I'm
suggesting
making
sure
that
that
school
knows
that
they
don't
have
an
adequate
pass
rate
from
their
participants
and
that
something
has
to
be
done
to
address
that
curriculum,
so
that
these
people
can
be
taught
what
they
need
to
know
to
pass.
An
exam
I
mean
if
my
school
of
medicine
had
a
50
board
less
than
50
board
pass
rate.
I
Personally,
I
wouldn't
disagree
with
you,
but
the
board.
The
board
is
limited
by
The
Authority
that
it's
been
given
and
so
I
think
that
only
it
only
goes
to
a
certain
point.
We
would.
We
would
certainly
be
happy
to
hear
any
suggestions
that
you
or
any
other
member
of
the
general
assembly
might
have
any.
K
A
Okay,
I
have
two
others
that
have
signed
up
for
questions
and
then
Senator
Thomas
we're
going
to
bring
you
back
up
to
wrap
up.
We
do
have
another
agenda
item
and
I'd
like
to
spend-
maybe
eight
more
minutes
on
this
one
if
we
could
representative
Cole
Carney
and
then
to
be
followed
by
Senator
Neal.
Thank.
L
You
chairman
I,
will
try
to
keep
my
points
brief.
I
want
to
welcome
everybody
here
today.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
thank
you.
My
questions
are
going
to
be
directed
to
you
as
they
have
been
by
my
colleagues
I'm
interested
specifically
in
the
practicalities
of
moving
forward
with
this
proposed
legislation.
So
I
want
to
start
off
by
asking
I
agree
with
with
Senator
Westerfield,
who
you
know
mentioned
that
the
five
requests
are
sound,
pretty
reasonable
and
you
responded
with
the
cap
on
the
cost
for
testing.
L
L
L
And
they
can
take
that
up
to
five
times,
fail
it
up
to
five
times
before
this
three-year
correct,
Dan,
correct,
correct,
okay,
but
other
than
that
they
could
I,
guess
they're
only
limited
by
that
correct,
okay.
So
my
next
question,
and
just
by
way
of
context
I'm,
an
immigration
attorney
and
I
specialize
in
employment-based
Immigration.
So
this
idea
of
credentialing
is
something
I
deal
with
every
single
day
for
both
High
skilled
and
low
skilled
workers
who
are
trying
to
immigrate
to
Kentucky
and
to
our
country.
L
This
question
of
licensure
this
question
of
credentialing
is
is
foremost
in
everybody's
minds,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
ask
this
board
specifically,
is
given
that
context,
there's
a
lot
of
different
states
and
agencies
and
Boards
individually
if
they
can,
or
on
a
state
level
who
are
looking
at
ways
to
evaluate
individuals
outside
of
traditional
means.
So,
for
instance,
you
mentioned
there
are
only
two
companies
right
that.
H
I
I
know
of
two
other
curriculums
that
are
one
I,
have
not
seen
an
update
on
in
a
decade
or
more
and
one
that
is
used
exclusively
in
a
corporate
School.
The
exam.
The
national
exam
is,
of
course,
referenced
in
the
two
major
text
holders,
which
are
pivot
point
and
Milady.
L
H
Four
total
texts
that
I'm
aware
of
major
curriculum.
L
H
H
H
L
But
the
board
has
the
authority
to
administer
the
exam
or
change
it
as
it
sees
fit.
Correct,
there's
no
restriction,
no
okay!
Thank
you.
My
last
question
and
again
getting
back
to
practicalities.
L
H
Received
a
letter
from
Mr
Carter
as
well
as
various
ones
in
the
past
year,
but
for
Mr
Carter.
We
got
an
letter
in
2020
other
than
that.
I
I
would
have
to
go
back
through
board
records
and
see,
but
all
of
those
are
provided
straight
to
the
board.
So.
L
This
is
a
recent.
This
is
recent
to
you
correct.
This
issue
is
that
I
understand
that
it's
very
contentious,
yeah
everything
has
been
very
contentious
here
today.
This
is
an
issue
to
me
that
is
not
contentious.
It
should
be
approached
in
a
very
rational,
practical
manner.
There
are
individuals
again
that
need
to
be
licensed.
How
do
we
get
them
licensed
in
a
safe
write,
an
efficient
manner?
H
H
The
standard
response
through
training
is:
please
do
the
best
you
can
with
what
you've
brought
or
what
you
know,
because
it
removes
the
defensibility
if
we
are
trying
to
teach
part
of
the
during
the
exam
you're
not
truly
getting
a
read
on
the
skills
during
that.
So
it
questions
during
it
interpretation
services
or
we
just
we
aren't
equipped.
Nor
are
we
financially
able
to
offer
all
of
that
we
certainly
I
think
are
open
again.
I
I,
don't
speak
for
the
board.
Specifically,
that
is,
it
is
completely
I
have
no
vote
whatsoever.
H
Please
understand,
but
this
has
been
brought
to
them
here
in
of
course,
certainly
recent
months
as
of
August
22nd,
when
this
draft
became
available
to
us
at
all,
so
we've
only
had
it
less
than
a
month
and
the
board
came
off
a
summer
break
and
met
just
one
time
since
then.
So
they
you
know
they
realistically
have
not
had
an
extreme
amount
of
time
to
even
look
at
this
legislation
or
consider
anything.
H
M
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
think
that
the
last
series
of
questions
touched
on
what
I
was
concerned
about
and
also
the
responses
helped
me
a
little
bit
but
I
I.
Just
just
for
clarification.
I
noticed
in
the
current
statute.
M
Right,
except
in
this
instance,
it's
clearly
a
lack
of
communication
or
the
lack
of
something
that
creates
division
between
those
who
want
to
work
and
your
responsibility
in
making
sure
it's
safe
and
meet
certain
standards.
So
it
just
leads
me
to
one
thing:
do
you
find
something
inherently
Difficult
about,
including
an
additional
member?
This
a
licensed
nail
technician.
H
Other
than
the
fact
that
it
would
make
it
impossible,
you
know,
an
even
number
board-
makes
it
very
difficult
to
conduct
business.
If
there's
any
okay.
M
M
It
just
seems
to
me
that
this
is
not
a
difficult
thing
to
understand
from
the
standpoint
that
there's
a
gap
in
understanding
and
expectations
and
the
communication
seems
to
be
blocked
by
a
certain
Inhibitors
with
respect
to
this,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
bringing
people
together
and
the
board
as
well
responding
to
the
needs
of
those
who
come
to
work
in
the
industry
is
extremely
important
in
getting
good
outcomes
all
around
and
I'm
sure,
there's
no
I'm
sure,
there's
no
magic
bullet,
but
I
think
you
have
to
come
together
to
resolve
this
type
of
issue.
M
I!
Think
it's
pretty
clear,
so
I
just
raised
the
question
just
seems
to
me:
Mr
chairman
I'm,
just
going
to
cut
it
because
I'm
beating
a
I
think
the
questions
have
been
asked
are
very
good.
It
might
be
helpful
if,
if
the
board
considered
having
someone
at
that
table,
that
could
help
bridge
that
Gap
in
understanding
other
problems
that
you
can't
even
bring
here-
and
you
may
not
even
know
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
ended
there.
Mr
chairman
thank.
A
You
very
appropriate
place
to
end
as
Senator
Thomas
comes
back
up
because
I
believe
Senator
Thomas
will
likely
being
the
person
that's
at
the
table
that
helps
bridge
this.
This
conversation,
if
the
two
of
you
any
any
very
brief,
closing
thoughts,
I
sent
you
have
something
that
you'd
like
to
say
very
briefly.
I
I,
would
please
please
this
is
the
only
thing
I
would
want
to
say
as
this
concerning
this
bill.
I
I
would
have
a
number
of
other
comments.
That
I
would
make
I
understand
that
we're
short
on
time,
but
I
would
also
say
before
this
bill
got
drafted
and
before
it
got
presented
to
this
commission
or
anywhere
else,
it
was
never
presented
to
us.
It
was
never
presented
to
the
board.
We
had
no
idea,
it
was
coming.
I
We
didn't
know
it
was
going
to
be
presented
at
the
licensing
and
occupations
committee,
somehow
or
another
I
said,
I
suspect
getting
how
this
started.
With
this
testimony,
the
impression
has
been
given
to
you
all
that
this
is
a
that,
where
it
blows
and
we're
not
we're
simply
trying
to
respond
to
what's
been
presented.
Some
of
these
comments
were
borderline
defamatory,
if
you
sensed
an
edge
in
my
response,
but
I
would
just
want
to
say
we
never
said
we
didn't
want
to
discuss
this
and
it's
exactly
the
opposite.
I
There
may
be
things
in
here
that
the
board
would
agree
to.
We
just
the
board.
Just
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
review
any
of
this.
So
I
just
didn't
want
you
all
to
think
that
we
were
here
saying
not
only
no
but
heck
no
or
something
like
that
to
any
of
this.
That
is
not
what
this
is
we're
simply
here
trying
to
respond
to
what's
being
presented.
Some
of
it
is
clearly
wrong,
and
some
of
it
is
I
guess
open
for
debate.
A
C
A
Don't
I
don't
have
eight,
but
we
will
extend
six
and
so
six
is
the
best
we
can
do.
Thank
you
both
from
thank
you
from
the
board
for
being
here,
Senator
Thomas.
Your
group
has
six
minutes.
E
So
I'm
a
licensed
educator
for
nails
and
I
specify
only
in
nails.
Psi
is
used
in
Minnesota
and
I
talked
to
an
educator
in
Minnesota
and
they
only
pay
25
for
the
any
type
of
language
like
the
common,
like
Vietnamese
Khmer,
the
type
of
language
where
people
who
do
nails
speak
that
language
or
Spanish
right,
so
they
do,
can
definitely
do
that.
So.
E
80S
no
there
is,
it
wasn't
85
in
Minnesota,
it's
25
for
the
PSI
test
in
Minnesota
and
also
they
can
take
it
unlimited
and
it's
PSI
the
same
software
and
also
if
they
need
that
much
help
they
can
actually
PSI
can
actually
bring
in
an
interpreter
in
the
computer
room
where
they
all
sit
alone
and
do
the
tests.
Okay.
E
The
reason
why
we
have
so
many
that
they
keep
saying
that
we
have
unlicensed,
because
we
have
people
with
14
15
years
from
different
State
trying
to
transfer,
but
this
board
makes
it
so
difficult
for
them
to
transfer
okay.
What
Q
he
had
a
a
girl
hanging
out
in
the
shop
and
she
was
actually
a
licensed
Nail
Tech
from
Indiana
and
that's
pretty
comparable
to
this
state
and
when
she
says
the
word,
I
don't
make
that
decision.
That
sounds
really
familiar,
because
we
have
another
audio
recording
that
she
says:
I
don't
make
that
decision.
G
We
can,
we
can
ignore
a
lot
of
things.
We
can
dress
up
prejudicism,
we
can
dress
up
racism,
but
when
we
have,
when
we
have
a
state
inspector
with
the
director
of
the
cosmetology
board,
asked
the
was
asked
a
question
by
a
school
you're
not
going
to
shut
us
down.
Are
you
and
the
director
says,
I,
have
nothing
to
do
with
that
I'm
just
gathering
information
and
as
they
exit
the
building
and
the
door
is
closed.
The
inspector
has
a
body
cam
on
recording
himself
and
he
tells
the
director
the
correct
answer
should
have
been.
G
A
C
Thank
you,
chairman
Givens
and
members
of
the
committee.
Just
let
me
hit
a
few
highlights
briefly.
First
I
want
to
go
back
to
Senator,
Berg
and
representative
Co
Carney's
comments
about
the
fact
that
there's
a
problem
here
that
that
really
needs
to
be
addressed
I
would
encourage
both
of
you
before
you
in
the
day-to-day
to
go
on
Facebook
and
look
at
the
Facebook
comments
for
the
board
of
Cosmos
Cosmetology
on
a
scale
of
five
see
what
that
rating
is.
C
You
will
see
that
as
of
today
that
rating
for
The
Board
of
Cosmetology
in
terms
of
how
it
deals
with
people
currently
is
1.9.
Okay,
not
even
two.
It's
1.9
look.
Look
on
that
today.
You
just
yeah
just
Google
that
another
Point
that
I
I
do
want
to
emphasize.
Is
that
there's
some
administrative
problems
here
that
are
not
in
law?
C
It
is
correct
when
you
hear
from
the
Board
of
Cosmetology
say
that
you
could
actually
take
the
exam
the
next
day
once
you
graduate,
but
the
reality
is
that
you
have
to
get
a
certificate
that
says
you
graduated
and
now
you
already
proceed.
That's
an
administrative
measure
and
there
are
people
out
here
many
who
will
tell
you,
because
I've
heard
this
that
sometimes
it
takes
three
four
six
months
before
you
get
the
certificate,
so
you
can
begin
to
take
the
exam
okay.
C
So
so
there's
an
administrative
delay
in
getting
the
information
that's
needed
to
even
begin
taking
the
exam.
You
can't
really
take
it
the
next
day,
because
you
don't
have
that
certificate
from
the
board
saying
you've
graduated
from
your
classes
to
Senator
Neil's
point
and
Senator
Neil
understands
this
very
well.
C
It's
very
important
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
If
you're
going
to
make
a
difference,
okay,
you've
got
to
be
able
to
to
be
present
and
be
in
a
policy
making
position
where
you
can
hear
all
the
problems
and
address
all
the
answers
before
you
can
have
have
a
have
a
voice,
and
now
these
people
asking
for
is
a
voice.
So
as
soon
as
your
point
is
well
taken
that
right
now,
these
people
are
silenced.
C
I've
been
debating
about
this,
but
but
I
want
to
say
this
and
indulge
me
chairman
Givens,
because
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this
three
years
ago.
C
C
I
know
you've
done
that
before
that
I
felt
this
sport
was
a
waste
of
time
because
I've
throughout
my
almost
70
throughout
my
70
years
of
life,
I've
seen
many
cities
and
communities
formed
these
commissions
on
Race
that
that
try
to
do
good
and
end
up
doing
nothing
and
I
was
no
longer
have
any
part
of
that.
So
I
voted
against
this.
C
This
commission,
this
committee,
announced
in
his
third
year.
This
is
third
year
existence
and
to
date
this
committee
has
yet
to
pass
any
legislation.
Any
legislation-
that's
that's
gone
through
this
legislature,
I,
submit
that
this
legislation
I've
brought
today,
is
in
this
committee's
wheelhouse.
As
consistent
with
the
mission
you
read
at
the
beginning,
Senator
Givens
at
the
beginning
of
this
committee
meeting
something
needs
to
be
done.
You've
heard
testimony
and
and
and
Justice
demands
that
that
we
make
some
steps
to
to
correcting
the
situation.
C
Now
we
know
our
legislation,
I
mean
I,
get
everything
that
needs
to
be
done.
I
understand
that.
But
change
has
to
begin
somewhere,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
this
is
the
legislation
that
will
finally
be
a
breakthrough
for
this
commission
and
that
you
prove
me
wrong
that
that
this
committee
does
have
meaning
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
in
2023
and
Beyond,
and
with
that
Senator
Givens
and
chair
and
committee
members,
I'll
close.
A
Senator
Thomas
I
always
appreciate
our
dialogues
and
I
will
I
will
reflect
back
to
you,
something
I
think
you
know,
but
I'm
going
to
State
for
the
record
that
the
Gathering
here
today
is
not
a
commit,
a
committee
that
has
authority
to
pass
legislation.
This
is
a
commission
not
charged
with
any
legislative
Authority
for
the
purpose
of
passing
legislation,
so
I
want
to
make
certain
we
correct
and
clear
up
that
on
the
record.
The
second
point
I'll
make
briefly
to
you-
and
you
are
the
perfect
person,
because
you've
brought
this
issue
before
us
today.
A
You
sense
and
and
many
in
this
room
have
spoken
to
it.
There
is
a
real
need
to
restart
this
dialogue
and
this
relationship
between
this
board
and
this
community
I
think
you're
the
perfect
person
poised
to
do
that,
because
you've
brought
this
issue
to
us
and
so
respectfully
friend,
I
would
charge
that
you
roll
up
your
sleeves
as
I,
know,
you're
able
to
do
go
to
work
on
trying
to
bring
these
folks
together
in
a
room
and
work
through
the
things
that
can
be
worked
through.
We
have
a
legislative
process,
you're
skilled
at
using
it.
A
As
our
others,
let's
bring
this
up
in
legislation,
find
some
compromise
and
or
some
some
point
at
which
we
can
move
forward
on
striking
the
balance
between
the
safety
that
has
to
be
there
and
the
opportunity
for
these
talented
small
into
small
business
individuals
to
bring
their
talents
so
that
they
can
benefit
their
families
and
their
community.
But
please
I
asked
for
your
leadership
on
this
and
I
look
forward
to
it.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
I'm
ready
to
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item.
A
A
A
N
So
let
me
give
you
a
brief
outline
of
my
talk,
so
I'm
going
to
give
a
little
background
on
on
hair
its
structure,
its
formations,
some
terminology,
the
reasons
why
African-American
women
straighten
or
relax
their
hair
and
I
may
say
I
may
say:
African-American
and
black
interchangeably
I'll
talk
some
about
hair,
relaxers,
the
harmful
chemicals
and
some
other
products,
hair
products
and
the
harmful
chemicals
in
those
I'll.
Lastly,
talk
about
the
desires
of
black
women
versus
the
reality,
especially
in
terms
of
their
hair
care,
their
hair
care
Journeys.
N
So
first,
let
me
give
you
a
little
bit
of
information
about
just
a
hair
follicle,
so
the
on
this
slide
there
is
a
image
of
a
hair,
follicle
and
I
just
want
to
bring
a
couple
of
points
to
your
attention.
This
is
the
part
of
the
follicle
where
the
hair
grows
out.
There's
also
this
sebaceous
gland,
and
this
is
the
gland
that
actually
produces
the
natural
oils
in
your
hair
that
nourish
the
hair
shaft
and
also
nourish
the
scalp.
N
So
one
thing
about
hair
follicles
is
that
the
shape
of
the
hair,
follicle
and
its
angle
under
the
scalp
determines
what
type
of
hair
comes
out
of
out
of
your
head.
Your
hair
follicle
can
be
shaped
as
a
circle.
It
could
be
shaped
sort
of
flat
and
then
also
it
can
have
this
shape
and
then
be
angled
in
such
a
way
under
your
scalp
that
the
hair
grows
out
of
your
hair
in
curls
or
corkscrews.
So
those
are
just
genetic
differences
in
in
the
way
their
hair.
The
way
the
hair
follicle
is
so.
N
These
lines
here
represent
one
particular
hair
shaft,
as
it's
growing
out
of
that
hair
follicle
that
you
saw
earlier
as
you
can
see
that
the
formations
go
from
straight
hair
to
sort
of
curly
and
then
caught
a
sort
of
corally
kind
of
kinky,
and
these
Associated
hair
shafts
have
pictures
of
types
of
hair
where
you
can
see
on
the
whole
head
based
upon
the
hair
formation.
That's
growing
out
of
this
head,
so
I
want
to
just
bring
to
your
attention
on
the
upper
right
side
of
this
slide.
N
This
s
represents
one
hair,
shaft,
a
curly,
hair
shaft,
and
so,
if
you
can
see
the
s's
here
and
the
lines
between
them,
these
represent
particular
types
of
attachments
of
the
hair.
We
call
them
bonds,
so
the
sulfur
represents
the
element.
Sulfur
of
the
S
I'm
sorry
represents
the
element
sulfur
and
then
the
lines
attached
to
each
one
of
the
s's
represent
bonds
between
those
two
atoms,
and
so
these
bonds,
then,
are
called
disulfide
bonds
and
those
bonds
are
the
strongest
Bonds
in
your
hair.
N
They
are
the
disulfide
bonds
that
are
attached
to
other
parts
of
the
hair.
Shaft
are
what
make
the
hair
curly
so
generally
kind
of
straight
hair
has
very
few
disulfide
bonds,
but
the
curlier
your
hair
is
the
more
disulfide
bonds
it
has,
and
these
disulfide
bonds
can
be
attached
between
the
curls
inside
the
hair
shaft,
but
also
once
the
hair
starts
getting
curlier
they're,
more
disulfide
bonds,
as
I
said
earlier,
but
then
there
can
be
disulfide
bonds
that
are
attached
horizontally
to
another
hair
shaft.
N
Now
here
is
just
a
little
bit
more
information.
You
can
see
once
again
the
different
hair
formations
and
then
see
how
those
individual
hair
formations
are
associated
with
the
the
style
of
a
whole
head
of
hair.
Here
in
this
line,
we
see
straight
hair,
not
many
disulfide
bonds.
Very
few
are
none
at
all.
Hence
the
hair
is
straight,
but
then
the
more
disulfide
bonds
that
the
hair
has.
Then
you
can
see
how
the
associated
hairstyles
get
larger,
get
get
larger.
N
Okay,
so
now,
I
just
want
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
of
terminology
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
on
the
same
page
in
terms
of
understanding.
So
when
we
say
natural
hair,
we
are
referring
to
hair.
That
does
not
have
or
has
not
been
chemically
processed
at
all,
and
it
is
just
the
regular
natural
pattern
that
grows
out
of
your
head.
N
When
we
say
relaxed
hair,
then
relaxed
hair
is
curly
or
natural
hair
that
has
been
chemically
processed
and
it
has
been
chemically
processed
to
remove
the
disulfide
bonds,
actually
break
those
bonds,
so
that
the
curl
pattern
does
not
have
any
doesn't.
The
curl
pattern
is
not
there
anymore,
and
the
outcome
is
then
straight
hair
that
doesn't
have
curls
or
Kinks
one
thing
I
want
so
permed
hair.
Then
this
is
generally
generally
what
people
who
have
straight
hair
will
do.
B
A
N
You
so
one
thing
that
I
want
to
say
about
the
difference
in
the
relaxed
hair
is
that
the
curl,
the
chemicals
that
are
used
to
relax
the
hair
are
harsher
on
the
or
harsher
and
they
break
the
disulfide
bonds
in
different
places,
and
once
they
break
the
disulfide
bond,
it
can
never
be
reformed
so
that
hair
stays
straight.
The
chemicals
that
are
used
to
perm
to
change
straight
hair
to
curly
hair.
N
They
also
break
the
disulfide
bonds,
but
they
break
them
in
in
a
certain
place
so
that
the
bonds
can
still
be
reformed.
And
so
those
chemicals
that
are
used
to
re
kind
of
break
the
disulfide
bonds
and
allow
them
to
be
reformed
are
not
as
harsh
on
the
hair
as
the
chemicals
that
actually
just
break.
The
dye
fought
break
the
disulfide
bond
all
together
and
actually
remove
the
removes
an
actual
sulfur
atom
anyway.
N
So
just
a
little
bit
of
kind
of
what
is
beauty
so
I
think
this
slide
sort
of
sort
of
epitomizes
why
black
women
kind
of
relax
their
hair,
because
in
American
society
we
idolize
generally
all
things
that
are
European,
and
so
there
are
cultural
norms.
In
the
American
society
and
expectations
for
the
appearance
of
a
person
that
that
is
all
European,
and
so
that
sets
up
unrealistic
expectations
for
people
who
are
not
of
European
descent,
but
particularly
African
Americans.
So
because
the
standard
is
eurocentric
generally
sometimes
African,
culture,
dress
and
features
are
really
subjugated.
N
So
historically,
there's
always
been
a
really
strong
societal
pressure
for
for
black
people
to
look
like
the
standard,
and
because
of
this
historically
just
to
be
able
to
get
a
job,
black
people
would
have
to
look
like
the
standard.
They
would
have
to
change
something
in
essence
to
be
acceptable,
and
so
the
main
one
of
the
main
things
to
change
would
be
our
hair.
We
would
go
to
Great
Lengths
to
relax
or
straighten
the
hair.
There
have
been
recent
studies
in
this
study.
I
found
was
just
within
the
last
few
years.
N
N
So
another
thing
about
beauty
is
that
black
women
spend
almost
10
times
the
amount
of
money
more
money
than
other
F
than
other
women
from
other
ethnicities
do
on
hair
care,
we
buy
more
products
and
then
we
use
more
products,
and
so
this
black
hair
care
is
about
a
one
billion
dollar
industry
annually,
and
that
was
a
conservative
estimate.
I
saw
other
other
citations.
That
said,
it's
much
more.
N
N
They
can
use
this
with
relaxers
chemical
relaxers
and
that's
kind
of
what
I'll
Focus
my
talk
on
and
talk
about
later,
but
they
also
break
the
disulfide
bonds
using
physical
means,
so
they
add
heat
to
their
hair
using
pressing
Combs
and
they
also
add
heat
to
their
hair,
using
flat
irons,
these
leave-in
conditioners,
moisturizers
and
Geralds.
N
You
have
to
take
your
hair
through
this
chemical
treatment
if,
whether
whether
it's
done
in
a
salon
or
at
home,
it's
a
long
process
and
usually
once
you
have
gone
from
a
natural
hair
to
real
relaxed
or
straightened
hair,
then
as
your
hair
continues
to
grow,
the
hair
coming
out
of
the
hair
follicles
is
going
to
be
genetically
curly.
It'll
have
those
disulfide
Bonds
in
it.
So
it's
like
the
roots
of
your
hair
will
be
kind
of
curly,
but
the
part
that
has
been
relaxed
will
be
straight.
N
So
now
I'm
going
to
focus
on
the
the
chemicals
actually
that
are
in
these
relaxers
because
most
about
75
percent
of
black
women
when
they
straighten
their
hair,
they
use
chemical
relaxers
and
when,
when
the
chemical
relaxation
is
done,
it's
it
is
a
permanent
thing.
So,
let's
look
at
some
of
the
chemicals
in
these
chemical
relaxers
and
then
I'm
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
negative
health
effects
that
that
they
give
so
one
of
the
main
types
of
relaxers
are
called
lye,
relaxers
and
so
lie.
You've
probably
heard
is
sodium
hydroxide.
N
It's
been
used
to
make
soap,
but
also
it
is
used
as
it
is
a
main
ingredient
in
oven
cleaners.
It's
a
main
ingredient
in
in
the
drain
cleaners,
and
also
it's
used
in
depilatory
creams,
depilatory
creams,
if
you're,
not
if
you're
uncertain
of
those
those
are
hair
removals.
So
those
are
creams
that
you
put
them
on
your
body
for
some
amount
of
time
and
then
you
rinse
away
the
hair,
so
sodium
hydroxide
is
used
in
all
of
these
things
and
it's
also
used
in
hair
relaxers,
and
these
hair
relaxers
are
only
marketed
to
black
women.
N
So
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
sodium
hydroxide
does.
Of
course
it
breaks
the
disulfide
bonds,
because
that's
the
reason
that
it's
used,
it
breaks
the
bonds
and
once
those
bonds
are
broken,
they
can
never
be
reformed
when
it
breaks
those
bonds,
then
that
curly,
hair
shaft
is
not
as
strong
as
it
used
to
be.
N
It
causes
inflammation
of
the
scalp.
You
get
burns
when
there's
contact,
so
normally
people
try
to
put
the
sodium
hydroxide
on,
but
they
won't
put
it
on
their
scalp.
But
of
course
accidental
mistakes
always
happen,
it
causes
dry
patches
of
skin
and
then
over
time.
Well,
sometimes,
not
even
over
time.
N
You
could
put
the
sodium
hydroxide
on
your
hair,
not
necessarily
forget
about
it,
go
about
and
do
something
or
if
you
could
have
some
sort
of
contraindication
of
sodium
hydroxide
and
maybe
some
medication
that
you're
taking
that
could
cause
soon.
As
you
put
the
sodium
hydroxide
on,
do
your
hair
follicles,
your
hair
shaft
just
is
broken,
so
you
could
just
lose
your
hair,
so
sodium
hydroxide
is
is
really
damaging
to
the
hair
and
it's
damaging
to
the
hair
shaft.
N
Over
time,
then
the
hair
follicle
actually
is
killed
off
and
by
over
time,
I
mean
decades,
because
I
know
some
black
women
who
have
relaxed
their
hair
all
their
life
and
over
time,
then
it
just
kills
the
hair
follicles.
So
some
women
in
their
50s
60s
in
their
hair,
is
thinning
and
there's
those
hair
follicles
aren't
going
to
come
back
because
the
sodium
hydroxide
has
killed
them.
B
N
Thank
you,
so
sodium
hydroxide
is
linked
to
breast
cancer
amongst
heavy
users
and
heavy
means
like
four
or
four
to
ten
times
a
year.
Okay,
so
that
was
the
the
LIE
relaxers
contain
sodium
hydroxide,
no
lye
relaxers
don't
contain
sodium
hydroxide
and
they
are
touted
as
being
safer,
they're
not
really
safer.
They
cause
the
same
things
but
they're
not
really
linked
to
certain
types
of
cancers,
so
the
live
relaxes
are
linked
more
to
cancers.
The
no-li
relaxers
are
not
really
linked
to
cancers,
but
they
still
cause
the
same
amounts
of
damage.
N
One
of
the
other
chemicals
that
is
harmful
is
formaldehyde.
Formaldehyde
is
an
irritant
for
the
respiratory
system.
It
causes
headaches,
it
is
banned
in
European,
it's
it
is
banned
in
Brazil
at
these
levels,
but
for
some
reason
it
is
still
found
in
the
United
States
in
some
products
up
to
up
to
15
percent.
It
causes
severe
kidney
injury,
injury.
N
So
then,
some
other
chemicals
that
are
in
other
hair
approximate
products
by
other
hair
products,
I
mean
shampoos
and
conditioners.
So
parabens
are
preservatives
and
they're
preservatives
in
anything
that
has
a
high
water
content,
so
they
are
placed
in
shampoos
and
conditioners
to
prevent
bacterial
growth
and
mold
growth
in
in
those
products,
but
they're
easily
absorbed
in
the
skin,
they're
harmful
to
the
scalp.
N
They
are
hormone
disruptors,
which
means
that
they
interact
and
they
keep
your
hormones
from
doing
the
things
that
they
do
by
disrupt
either
keep
the
hormones
from
doing
things
that
they're
supposed
to
do,
or
they
make
them,
do
the
things
that
they're
supposed
to
do
more
than
they
should
so
they
disrupt
your
hormones
and
just
cause
for
for
fertility
issues
and
reproductive
issues
in
low
chronic
exposure
causes
breast
cancer
and
mice.
The
other
class
of
compounds
that
is
really
harmful
are
phthalates.
Now
they
are
used
ubiquitously
across
across
products
from
the
United
States.
N
They
are
added
to
plasticizers
or
they're
added
to
they're
added
to
Plastics,
to
make
them
more
flexible
and
less
brittle
and
they're
used
as
just
regular
solvents
in
in
personal
care
products.
But
they're
associated
with
weight
gain
and
obesity,
they're
linked
to
type
2
diabetes
in
women,
and
they
also
disrupt
the
hormones
and
just
cause
reproductive
reproductive
issues.
N
They
they
are
used
to
make
oil
and
water
mixed,
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
products
products
will
have
oil-based
chemicals
in
them,
and
some,
of
course,
are
going
to
have
water.
So
pegs
are
placed
in
these
come
in
these
compounds
to
make
oil
and
to
make
sure
that
they
mix
together
they
make
your
hair
look
smooth
and
shiny,
but
that's
only
for
the
short
term.
N
They
are
used
to
make
to
give
you
that
really
thick
shampoo
that
people
like
because
you
don't
want
to
just
have
sham
you,
don't
want
to
pour
your
shampoo
out
and
it'd,
be
all
watery,
so
pegs
are
placed
in
there
to
make
it
thick
because
that's
what
consumers
like,
but
it
removes
the
hair
oil,
and
it
just
makes
your
hair
and
your
scalp
dry,
causes
irritation,
hair
loss
and
thinning
over
time
it
actually
Fades
the
color
of
your
hair.
Not
many
of
them
are.
N
Some
of
them
are
linked
with
Cancers,
but
the
bad
thing
is
that
the
FDA-
or
there
hasn't
been
research
on
a
lot
of
the
pegs,
because,
as
I
said
earlier,
this
is
a
class
of
a
class
of
chemicals,
so
some
other
hair
products
that
I
don't
have
time
to
mention
that
there
are
harmful
chemicals
in
or
hair
dye
and
then
a
lot
of
the
synthetic
hairs
and
wigs
and
things
that
black
women
use
to
to
to
mask
the
hair
thinning
and
the
hair
loss
they're
even
carcinogenic
chemicals
in
some
of
these
things.
N
N
So
here
is
my
summary
about
50
of
the
products
that
are
advertised
to
black
women,
contain
harmful
chemicals
compared
to
about
70,
seven,
seven
percent
of
products
that
are
advertised
to
other
ethnicities
or
particularly
white
women.
The
one
bad
thing
about,
because
we're
frequent
users
we
use
lots
of
different
Beauty
care
products.
N
Infrequent
uses
of
the
relaxers
are
more
than
twice
as
likely
to
develop
some
sort
of
uterine
cancer.
The
lyrolysis
or
the
lye
relaxers
are
linked
to
breast
cancer,
and
exposure
to
these
relaxer
starts
really
early
because
I
remember
when
you're
a
child
you're
six
years
old
and
your
mom's,
like
I,
can't
do
anything
with
your
hair
I'm
just
going
to
slap
a
relaxer
on
it
and
it
could
start
as
early
as
six
years
old.
The
kidney
relaxers
are
no
better
they're,
just
advertised
as
as
being
less
damaging,
but
they
are
not.
Black.
N
Women
are
one
of
the
highest
consumers
of
beauty,
products
that
have
toxic
chemicals.
We
averaged
about
17
or
more
products,
I
think
that's
a
conservative
estimate
rather
in
in
our
our
bathroom
closets,
and
we
could
use
up
to
five
or
six
of
them
daily.
So
that
means
you're
having
this
chronic
exposure
and
then
you're
gonna
have
an
elevated
list,
elevated
risk.
N
We
spend
much
more
money
on
hair
care
products,
but
then
the
bad
thing
is
that
there
are
only
about
three
percent
of
come
only
about
three
percent
of
all
of
the
products
that
are
marketed
to
black
women
are
marketed
to.
Black
people
are
actually
owned
by
their
only
black
owned
companies
are
less
than
three
percent,
so
the
others
of
these
companies
don't
understand,
don't
really
know
the
needs
of
of
black
hair,
but
yet
they're
selling
the
they're
selling
the
products
to
us.
A
J
J
You're
welcome
as
the
father
of
of
a
beautiful
girl
who
has
3B
hair
and
the
father
of
a
son
who's
easily
in
the
force
and
I'm,
not
sure
where
this
is
much
much
tighter
and
more
coiled
than
than
our
daughters.
Yes,
I
can.
G
J
To
the
fact
that
that
the
products
I've
never
seen
a
bathroom
with
more
stuff,
and
it's
to
my
wife's
credit
we're
trying
to
find
things
that
don't
have
so
many
of
these
chemicals
right,
I
was
going
to
ask
something
you
just
spoke
to.
My
question
was
going
to
be
what
you
just
mentioned
there
at
the
end.
Is
there
no
initiative
amongst
the
companies
that
produce
this
to
to
change
or
to
find
a
different
path
here,
because
the
I
don't
know
that
the
companies
can
change
the
the
societal
desire
to
to
have
black
women.
J
B
N
J
Between
that
the
uterine
cancer,
the
other
infertility
issues
that
run
a
couple
of
the
Slime
I
mean
I.
Just
I
was
curious.
If,
if
the
industry
is
making
any
effort
to
move
away
from
this.
N
I
in
the
research
that
I
was
able
to
do
it,
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
because
it's
almost
as
if
like
they
know
that
black
women
would
do
almost
anything
for
their
hair.
We
spend
a
crazy
amount
of
money
and
I
feel
like
I'm,
a
conservative
I
had
of
a
conservative
estimate,
because
my
hair
is
shorter
for
for
different
reasons,
but
I
I
think
because
the
money
is
there,
they
see
this
as
an
industry
as.
M
N
Is
there
they
know
that
these
women
are
going
to
be
spending
lots
of
money
on
it
and
I,
don't
think
that
they
are
making
some
changes?
I,
don't
think
they're
making
many
changes,
but
in
the
last
five
years
the
natural
hair
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
a
phase
because
I
don't
think
it
is
a
face,
but
the
natural
hair,
more
women
are
wearing
their
hair,
naturally,
and
not
processing
it
with
with
these
chemicals.
K
N
They
haven't
really
changed
the
ingredients
or
they'll
put
lots
of
alcohols.
I
mean
alcohol
takes
off
the
takes
off.
The
seben
you
know
makes
makes
your
hair
leaves
people
with
straight
hair,
not
to
have
that
greasy
feel,
but
black
hair
are
really
curly.
Hair
needs
a
combination
of
oil
and
water,
and
you
just
put
that
on
daily.
You
need
a
combination
of
oil
and
water,
because
the
semen
doesn't
get
all
the
way
down
to
the
whole
hair.
N
Shaft
I
neglected
to
say
that
on
on
one
of
the
slides,
because
the
semen
it
gets
caught
up
in
the
curls,
so
it
doesn't
make
it
down
to
the
whole
hair
shaft.
So
the
hair,
the
black
hair,
are
really
curly.
Hair
won't
look
as
shiny
because
the
oil
doesn't
get
out
to
the
ends
of
it,
so
the
owner
of
the
curly
hair
has
to
put
oil
and
water
in
their
hair
kind
of
on
a
on
a
daily
basis.
N
L
I
had
a
question:
you
have
the
different
categories
of
chemicals
and
you
mentioned,
lie
non-lie
formaldehyde.
Are
these?
Are
each
of
these
categories?
Equally,
like
those
products?
Are
they
equally
marketed
to
black
women,
or
are
there
certain
categories
of
these
chemicals
that
are
marketed
to?
You
know
everybody.
N
L
There's
parabens
in
something:
yes
got
it
so
for
those
two,
then
the
lie
and
the
No
Lie
products
you
mentioned.
There
were
three
percent
of
companies
that
were
black
owned
by
black
women.
K
L
N
N
Of
the
yeah,
that
was
the
other
thing
I'm
going
to
say
so
it
was.
It
was
really
difficult
to
try
to
find
the
concentration
of
the
sodium
hydroxide
in
in
these.
Hardly
anyone
puts
that
and
I'm
a
chemist,
I
think
about
stuff,
like
that
they
don't
put
it,
but
they
don't
put
the
concentrations
of
these
chemicals
in
the
relaxer.
So
you
don't
know
what
the
concentrations
are.
Some
could
be
higher
than
than
others
are.
Are.
N
I
could
just
say
there:
there
could
just
be
higher
concentrations.
Some
Brands
may
have
higher
concentrations,
some
Brands
may
have
lower
concentrations,
and
that
translates
into
how
long
you
would
have
to
leave
the
chemical
on
your
hair
and
then
how
straight
you
want
your
hair
there's.
N
Some
women
maybe
want
their
hair
bone
straight,
like
one
of
the
illustrations
that
I
showed
and
then,
of
course,
if
you
want
that,
then
you
would
have
to
leave
the
lie
on
your
hair
or
leave
the
we
call
it
creamy
crack,
because
it's
a
white
cream
leave
the
creamy
crack
on
your
hair
for
a
long
periods
of
time.
Depending
on
how
straight
you
want
the
hair
to
get.
L
Which
leads
me
to
my
final
question:
okay,
is
the
regulatory
or
liability
landscape
for
the
for
the
specifically
for
the
companies
that
are
marketing
these
products
to
black
women
is?
Are
those
different
or
is
there
I
mean
you
won't
know
necessarily
I'm,
not
expecting
you
to
answer
that,
but
do
you
know
just
anecdotally
even
what
the
regulation
of
that
is?
If
there's
no
concentrations
provided,
and
it's
only
marketed
to
one
segment
of
our
population,
that
seems
to
be
right.
N
There
seems
to
be
no
regulation,
but
just
this
year,
there's
been
a
class
action
suit
against
I
believe
it
was
L'oreal,
for
you
know
how
you
always
hear
the
person,
the
commercials,
where
the
lawyers
I
can't
think
of
the
public
where
they
just
I'm,
sorry
I,
can't
think
of
the
right
word.
They
advertise
they
advertise
to
the
public,
so
they've
been
advertising
to
the
public
about
these
class
action
suits
about
using
hair
relaxers
and
you
have
breast
cancer
or
uterine
cancer,
then
call
us
so
that
has
occurred.
N
I've
seen
that
and
read
about
it,
and
although
that
class
action
suit
kind
of
just
started
in
January,
so
it
almost
seems
as
if
that
companies
are
starting
to
take
notice
that
these
these
these
chemicals
are
really
harmful
and
no
one
has
really
thought
about
the
long-term
effects
of
them.
We're
seeing
the
long-term
effects
in
this
group
of
women.
Thank
you,
representative.
M
O
We've
had
a
couple
of
sessions
that
we've
bought
forth
legislation
talking
about
the
crown
act,
yes
and
that's:
Senator
Westerfield
has
put
forward
legislation
and
Senate
and
I
put
forward
legislation
in
the
house
and
and
representative.
B
O
Was
a
forerunner
with
the
legislation
of
the
the
crown
act?
Yes,.
O
Or
am
I
wrong,
we
just
haven't
got
it
passed.
We
haven't,
got
concurrence
in
both
Chambers
and
and
move
that
along,
but
I
think
that
there
is
a
segment
of
our
community
that
is
getting
absolutely
smarter
about
hair
and
taking
control
of
how
they
they
deal
with
their
hair.
So
this
is
this
presentation.
Mr
chairman
is
one
I
would
hope
that
we
would
keep
this
this
this
this
here
to
to
be
able
to
share
with
our
colleagues
and
and
Dr
Paul.
O
Lend
your
expertise
to
the
conversation,
but
thank
you
so
very
much
I'm
I'm,
smarter.
As
a
result
of
your
presentation.
Thank.
N
O
And
I
think
it
will
be
helpful
for
the
the
general
assembly
and
for
for
people
all
across
the
state
all
across
the
Commonwealth
and
maybe
all
across
the
nation,
for
your
work
to
to
be
put
out
there,
because
it's
scientifically
expresses
the
the
things
that
I
think
people
have
have
emotionally
come
and
talked
to
us
about
right.
Yes,
so.