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C
Okay
good
morning,
I'm
Jim
Henderson,
with
Keiko.
C
Well
good
morning
and
chairman
Bray,
chairman
schickel
members
of
the
committee,
thanks
for
letting
us
come
here
today
as
I
said:
I'm
Jim,
Henderson
executive
director
at
Keiko
Shelley's,
our
director
of
government
Affairs,
we're
going
to
both
have
a
part
or
two
in
the
testimony.
This
morning,
I
explained
to
representative
Bray
I'm
a
little
distracted
this
morning.
If
I
look
at
my
phone,
it
will
not
be
out
of
disrespect
for
you,
but
my
daughter
is
in
labor
with
her
first
child
and
my
third
grandchild
this
morning.
C
So
just
as
soon
as
I
get
out,
we
get
done
I'm
getting
out
of
here,
heading
to
Bowling
Green,
hopefully
to
beat
the
arrival
of
my
third,
my
third
grandchild.
So
forgive
me
if
I
get
distracted
by
the
group
text
that
my
son-in-law
is
sending,
so
we
also
have
a
number
of
County
officials
in
the
room
today,
all
of
whom
are
members,
if
they're
a
county
official
member
of
caco,
also
members
of
their
own
respective
associations
before
turning
it
over
to
Shelley.
You
know,
I've
had
a
lot
of
folks.
Ask
me
about.
C
You
know
what
to
expect
from
this
task
force.
Several
County
officials
have
asked
you
know
what
what's
the
what's
the
game
plan.
What's
the
outcome
end
game
whatever
and
you
know
I
I,
don't
really
know
what
that
is
from
the
county
perspective.
If
we
could
dream
an
outcome,
I
think
the
one
thing
that
is
really
important
to
us
is
to
have
some
sense
of
clarity,
a
future
some
direction,
some
answers,
because
right
now
and
for
the
last
few
years
it
seems
like
we've
kind
of
been
in
this
period
of
limbo.
C
Where
we're
not
real
sure.
You
know
what
to
do
at
the
county
level
and
so
I
hope
that
at
the
end
of
this
process,
we
at
least
have
more
sense
of
direction
about
maybe
for
planning
purposes
for
for
County.
So
I'm
gonna
turn
over
to
Shelly
to
make
a
few
remarks
and
then
we'll
kind
of
go
back
and
forth.
So.
D
D
Certainly
it's
a
it's
a
big
one,
as
relates
to
county
jails,
but
on
behalf
of
all
of
Kentucky's
counties.
I
want
to
thank
the
legislature
past
and
present
for
the
focus
you've
placed
on
the
jail
issue,
especially
over
the
last
few
years,
but
certainly
in
my
time
here,
your
continued
interest
in
helping
us
to
maneuver.
These
challenges
is
very
encouraging.
I
started
working
for
the
county
judges
Association
in
1997.
and
certainly
before
I,
came
to
work
in
Frankfort,
and
certainly
since
there
have
been
numerous
task
forces.
D
Numerous
Blue,
Ribbon
commissions
that
have
been
issued
and
I
think
that
speaks
to
the
evolving
landscape
of
the
challenges
that
this
topic
at
both
the
local
and
the
state
level,
certainly
faces
many
in
the
general
assembly
and
including
most
of
the
people.
I
see
on
this
committee
have
filed
bills
to
tackle
the
the
challenging
topics
in
criminal
justice
and
continue
to
advance
the
conversation
about
how
we
try
to
do
this
in
a
smarter
fashion.
D
In
the
last
budget
cycle,
you
even
provided
the
first
increase
in
the
the
State
per
diem
paid
two
counties
who
House
State
inmates
since
2008,
and
we
are
definitely
grateful
for
that.
So
again,
I
just
want
to
start
with
a
big.
Thank
you
because
of
the
engagement
of
the
house
last
session
and
the
Senate.
We
have
this
task
force,
which
is
dedicating
a
really
good
amount
of
time
to
dig
into
this
critically
important
topic
for
both
Kentucky
and
for
for
County.
So
I'll
turn
it
back
over.
Did
you.
C
Chairman
bro,
you
asked
me
in
our
conversation
last
week
to
talk
about
the
broader
picture
of
how
the
county
jails
work
in
inside
the
county
and
I
want
to
touch
on
how
it
all
works
within
our
structure
and
I
hope
to
do
this
in
just
a
few
minutes,
but
and
leave
time
for
questions
I
think
it's
important
to
look
at
it
at
a
Statewide
level
just
for
a
moment
and
for
the
purpose
of
scale
I'm
going
to
exclude
Jefferson
and
Fayette
from
some
of
these
numbers,
because
they
they
skew
the
numbers
so
much
because
they're
so
large,
and
so
as
I
say,
these
things
I'll
certainly
qualify
whether
it
includes
Fayette
or
Jefferson
County.
C
Obviously
they
both
have
full
service
jails.
They
operate
large
jails
in
their
counties
outside
of
those
two
counties.
68
counties
operate
full-service
jails,
so
70
in
total.
There
are
four
Regional
jails,
but
43
counties
don't
have
a
jail
at
all.
Those
are
called
closed
counties,
and
so
it's
interesting
to
know
that
that
over
a
third
of
our
counties
actually
don't
have
a
jail
inside
their
accounting.
C
I
want
to
share
a
little
bit
of
budget
information
again.
I
think
it's
just
all
brings
perspective
to
the
magnitude
of
this
issue
when
it
comes
to
the
county
picture-
and
this
is
information
taken
from
the
fourth
quarter,
financials
that
Counties
have
to
file
with
the
department
for
local
government
each
year
of
the
year-end
financials.
So
this
is
for
fiscal
year,
ending
June
30.
last
year.
C
Obviously
we
haven't
finished
this
fiscal
year
and
on
a
county
budget
form,
don't
get
the
weeds
too
much,
but
there
are
certain
codes
that
are
mandated
codes
in
which
we
put
expenses,
the
o1
codes,
the
general
fund,
o2's
Road
fund.
So
every
County
budget
is
going
to
have
those
same
things:
O3
is
the
jail
fund
and
while
most
of
the
expenses
of
the
jail
are
in
the
O3
fund
and
for
us
to
extrapolate
from
a
financial
document,
we
just
pull
that
out
of
the
reports.
C
There
are
sometimes
expenses
scattered
throughout
the
county
budget
that
aren't
always
easy
to
identify.
That
may
not
be
in
the
jail
fund,
the
O3
code,
but
the
three
code
on
the
county
budgets
that
are
filed
with
dlg
for
fiscal
year,
ending
22
were
the
total
of
that
O3
code.
Again,
this
is
not
including
Fayette
and
Jefferson
was
322
million
dollars,
so
322
million
dollars
is
the
total
jail
budget
jail
fund
budgets
for
all
the
counties
again,
not
including
Fayette
and
Jefferson.
C
Those
two
counties
together
are
about
100
million
dollars,
just
just
those
two.
So
of
that
number
of
that
322
million
about
125
million
dollars
is
transferred
into
the
jail
fund
from
the
general
fund.
So
those
are
general
fund
dollars
that
are
transferred
into
the
jail
fund
internally
in
the
county
and
again
those
are
numbers
not
including
Fayette
and
Jefferson
County,
as
I
said.
Some
of
that
may
not
also
be
all
true
either
because
some
counties
account
for
some
things
in
their
budget
differently.
C
For
example,
Debt
Service
I
looked
at
a
county
that
I
knew
that
their
Debt
Service
and
the
sheet
we
had
in
the
O3
fund.
The
jail
fund
only
had
a
small
amount
of
The
Debt
Service
that
County
had
in
total
because
they
actually
issued
the
debt
in
a
broader
bond
issue
that
was
not
broken
out
across
funds
and
it's
all
in
the
general
fund,
so
the
125
million
is
still
probably
a
little
under
the
total,
the
the
actual.
C
But
we
had
to
do
a
lot
of
data
pulling
to
get
a
lot
more
specific,
and
certainly
I
could
do
that
when
the
time
is
necessary
of
those
118
counties
that
have
either
a
jail
or
not
a
jail,
not
not
fate
and
Jefferson.
C
There
are
a
handful
of
counties
where
there
isn't
a
transfer
in
to
the
general
to
the
jail
fund
from
the
general
fund,
probably
five
or
six,
that
might
could
be
considered
a
real,
a
real
net
income
generator
for
the
county,
and
some
of
those
jailers
may
very
well
be
here
today.
As
of
mid-may
just
over
twenty.
One
thousand
total
inmates
were
in
county
jails,
and
that
includes
that
does
include
just
over
2200
in
Fayette
and
Jefferson.
C
So
the
remaining
counties-
8
500
County
inmates
inmates
that
are
absolutely
the
responsibility
of
the
county,
about
8
500
State
inmates
that
are
housed
in
county
jails
and
about
another
1800
or
so
of
federal,
all
Houston
County
jails
and
as
of
April.
Just
interestingly,
45
of
all
state
inmates
were
housed
in
county
jails.
And,
let's
let
me
say
that
one
more
time,
45
of
all
state
inmates
were
housed
in
county
jails
as
of
April,
so
I'll.
C
D
Thank
you
so,
as
Jim
said,
counties
are
where
nearly
half
of
all
state
inmates
are
housed.
That's
where
all
class
D
felons
sentenced
to
five
years
or
less
I
will
serve
out
their
sentence
along
with
a
significant
number
of
class
C
felony
offenders.
It's
a
bit
of
a
complicated
story
about
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today,
but
basically
a
lawsuit
in
the
1980s
started
us
down
this
path.
D
The
court
case
was
about
the
extended
time
inmates
were
spending
in
county
jails
awaiting
transfer
to
a
bed
in
a
state
facility
that
resulted
in
the
Supreme
Court,
allowing
State
prisoners
to
stay
in
county
jails.
Ultimately,
this
body
passed
in
1992
the
system
we
now
know
with
the
state
housing
all
class
D's,
in-county
jails
by
contract
for
a
per
diem
rate
of
reimbursement
after
the
1992
Law
new
jail
construction,
expanded
across
Kentucky,
as
counties
began
to
see
the
opportunity
to
help
subsidize
their
jail
costs
by
housing,
those
State
prisoners.
D
D
Even
though
the
cost
to
House
State
inmates
in
county
jails
was
considerably
less
than
a
prison
and
in
the
majority
of
counties
it
was
and
remains
less
than
an
actual
cost
that
cost
to
the
county
continued
to
rise,
even
though
the
State
per
diem
did
not
fast
forward.
You
see
legislative
reforms
happen
in
the
hopes
of
reversing
that
upward
Trend
in
incarceration
at
both
the
state
and
the
local
level,
and
after
a
temporary
dip
during
covid
in
incarcerated
numbers,
we're
gradually
seeing
that
return
to
pre-coveted
incarceration
numbers
and
I'll
pass
that
back
to
Jim.
C
And
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
Statewide
numbers
and
how
those
counties
ended
up
in
the
business
of
Housing,
State
inmates
and
county
jails.
C
I
want
to
share
with
you
more
about
the
complexity
of
that
framework
within
the
County
government.
How
it
works.
Senator
schickel
knows
this.
Well,
as
a
former
Jailer,
the
Jailer
is
an
elected
constitutional
officer,
just
like
the
County
judge
executive,
the
sheriff
and
the
county
clerk,
the
sheriff
and
the
county
clerk
our
fee
offices.
C
So
in
the
majority
of
counties,
their
budgets
are
actually
a
little
bit
separate
in
the
way
that
they
operate
and
there's
not
always
as
much
interaction
directly
between
the
budget
operations
of
the
sheriff
and
the
clerk
and
the
County
judge
in
the
Fiscal
Court.
If
they
feed
pool
it's
a
little
different
and
some
some
counties
do
that,
but
the
jail
budget
itself
is
included
in
its
entirety
within
the
county
budget,
which,
for
the
70
or
so
counties
with
full-service
jails.
C
This
means
there's
almost
a
daily
interaction
between
the
County
judge,
executive
gives
Staff
office
and
the
jail
and
the
jail
staff,
and,
within
this
interaction,
along
with
a
significant
portion
of
the
county
budget,
that's
allocated
to
jail
operations.
You
can
see
with
this
interaction
how
important
it
is
to
have
the
Fiscal
Court
the
judge
executive
involved
with
the
jail
and
work
closely
with
the
jailer.
C
Now
the
county
has
a
statutory
responsibility
for
incarcerating
people
who
are
arrested
within
their
jurisdictions
within
their
jurisdiction.
So
I
mean
we.
We
don't
have
an
option
to
not
be
responsible
for
that.
There
are
a
lot
of
factors
that
are
outside
of
our
control.
In
fact,
almost
all
the
factors
are
really
outside
of
our
control.
I
was
talking
with
the
county
official
driving
up
here
this
morning.
C
Who
was
telling
me
about
an
individual,
and
this
is
a
very
small
County-
we're
we're
individual
sitting
in
that
jail
has
been
there
for
almost
four
years
awaiting
trial.
Obviously,
it's
a
murder
conviction,
that's
not
obvious.
It
is
a
murder
conviction.
So
obviously
that
takes
a
longer
process,
and,
and
rightly
so,
but
I
mean
we
see,
those
kinds
of
things
are
out
there
across
the
state
that
responsibility
rests
with
the
county
and
again
the
county
is
at
the
mercy
of
the
system
and
how
fast
it
might
work.
C
Obviously
we're
also
very
much
dependent
upon
the
the
speed
or
efficiency
with
the
Department
of
Corrections
Works
in
terms
of
classification
and
moving
inmates.
One
of
the
big
issues-
that's
driving
more
and
more
pressure
on
our
County
jails,
just
like
every
sector,
but
particularly
in
our
jails,
is
the
cost
of
doing
business,
inflation
and
the
workforce
issues
that
that
we're
all
dealing
with
and
I'm
sure.
C
Our
jailers
will
share
more
about
this
topic
later,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
find
people
who
even
want
to
work
inside
a
jail
operation,
especially
with
the
wages
that
most
counties
are
able
to
pay.
So
if
the
city
cops,
the
state
police
sheriff,
anybody
picks
up
someone
and
brings
them
in.
We
must
take
care
of
them.
We
have
to
care
for
them.
We
have
to
feed
them.
C
We
have
to
provide
for
their
medical
care
all
until
they're,
either
bonded
out
or
they
go
to
trial,
and
so
some
as
I
said,
are
in
our
facilities
for
a
long
time.
If
the
county
doesn't
have
a
jail
itself,
then
we
have
to
contract
with
a
neighboring
County.
We
have
to
find
space
for
that
individual.
We
still
have
the
responsibility
for
their
incarceration.
That
cost
is
not
is
not
an
option
for
the
county,
and
this
escalating
cost
creates
natural
tension
within
the
county
budget.
C
My
Jailer
from
back
home
in
Simpson
County,
is
here
Eric
Vaughn.
He
and
I
worked
closely
together
when
I
was
judged
and
he
the
jailers
in
this
room
and
many
jailers
across
Kentucky
do
a
outstanding
job,
managing
a
complex
and
challenging
environment
that
they
have
under
their
watch.
24
7
365
days
a
year.
They
have
a
vital
job,
keeping
the
facility
secure
and
addressing
the
mental
and
physical
toll
that
it
has
on
the
staff
in
our
jails.
C
But
in
my
County
just
again
for
perspective,
the
jail
budget
itself
was
about
a
third
of
the
entire
County
budget
and
almost
half
of
our
County
employees
in
Simpson.
County
were
employees
at
the
jail,
so
I
know
this
issue
I
dealt
with
it
for
almost
20
years
and
again,
on
its
very
best
day.
It
creates
some
tension
within
the
working
Arrangements
of
the
county.
The
county
budget,
the
jail
but
I
do
want
to
go
back
to
Shelley's.
First
comments
as
I
kind
of
wrap
up
here.
C
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
putting
the
spotlight
on
this
situation.
It
is
one
of
the
number
one
issues
that
counties
face
when
when
I
talk
with
County
officials
about
what's
the
most
challenging
for
them
in
their
counties,
most
often
jails
are
at
the
top
of
the
list.
In
polls,
surveys
questionnaires
Roundtable
sessions
at
conferences
or
just
general
conversation
among
County
officials.
The
topic
of
County
jails
ranks
among
the
top.
C
It's
the
single
largest
budget
item
and
the
largest
area
of
general
fund
transfer
dollar
contribution
for
most
counties
across
the
Commonwealth
and,
as
you
all
know,
at
the
state
level.
It's
a
challenge
to
strike
the
right
balance
between
incarceration
and
excuse
me
incarceration
and
Rehabilitation
something
that
I
think
we
will
all
be
dealing
with
throughout
the
course
of
this
task.
Force
of
course,
there
are
still
a
handful
of
places
that
don't
want
to
overlook
that,
where
jails
are
self-sustaining
and
again,
I
said
a
few
of
those
jailers
I
think
are
here
today.
C
These
are
the
exceptions.
These
are
the
extreme
exceptions.
So
again,
as
I
asked
at
the
beginning,
what
do
we
hope
to
come
from
this
task?
Force
I
think
we
hope
to
have
answers
some
sense
of
direction
for
counties
to
be
able
to
make
decisions.
There
are
counties
right
now
that
probably
are
going
to
need
to
build
a
jail
and
chairman
Bray.
Your
legislation
was
a
signal,
I
think
to
say:
let's
hold
up.
C
Let's
talk
about
this,
and
I
certainly
would
not
want
to
advise
account
and
wouldn't
advise
accounting
to
go
out
at
this
point
and
issue
large
amounts
of
debt
on
something
that
may
not
be
so
certain
yet
so
again,
I'm
hopeful
that,
as
this
process
plays
out,
that
we'll
have
a
better
sense
of
where
we're
going
so
I
look
forward
to
the
process.
Keiko
stands
ready
to
assist
in
any
way
we
can
to
help
make
sure
we
all
have
a
more
certain
future
for
our
counties
and
for
Kentucky.
E
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
all
for
your
presentation.
I'm
just
curious
about
I
know
that
in
Louisville
Metro
over
the
last
year,
we've
had
about
maybe
about
13
individuals
who
have
died
in
the
custody
and
so
I'm
curious
of
what
those
numbers
are
also
across
the
state
and
what
what's
the
plan
to?
Hopefully
combat
individuals
dying
in
our
custody.
C
Yeah
I
I
don't
have
that
number
as
a
Statewide,
total
I
think
the
jailers
may
be
able
to
better
address
kind
of
the.
What
what
are
we
doing?
Part
of
that
I
do
know
that
they
have
been
very
interested
in
and
we
have
been
very
supportive
of
legislation
that
would
involve
more
training
and
more
work
for
for
jailers,
Deputy
jailers
in
particular
to
be
able
to
go
through
to
help
better
assess,
what's
going
on
and
and
make
the
right
decision.
C
If
that's
an
issue
that
is
actually
something
a
deputy
Jailer
could
do
again.
Some
of
those
cases
are
just
outliers
and
perhaps
nothing
that
could
have
been
done
differently.
I,
certainly
don't
know
the
cases,
particularly
in
Jefferson
County,
but
want
one
inmate
death
in
a
jail
is
too
many.
Obviously,
I
know
that
that
is
a
very
difficult
thing
for
any
County
or
County
jailer
to
deal
with.
We've
dealt
with
it
at
Simpson,
County
and
I've.
C
Seen
the
The
Angst
that
that
brings
to
the
Jailer
and
the
team
and
again
that's
it's
a
horrible
thing
again
I'll.
Let
them
maybe
address
the
how
to
do
anything
differently
about
it,
but
we
could
certainly
get
the
numbers.
I
just
don't
have
those
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
we
could
find
the
numbers
for
the
Statewide.
C
E
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
okay,
I
have
two
questions.
Thank
you.
Do
you
all
know
what
the
population
percentage
of
pre-trial
detainees
versus
sentenced
inmates
in
the
county,
jails.
C
Again,
that's
a
noble
number
Senator
storm
I,
don't
recall
it
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
it's
it's
certainly
a
number
that
can
be
gotten
okay,
yeah
and
our
jailers
may
very
well
have
that
that
specific
information.
F
C
It's
very
few,
maybe
maybe
less
than
five
or
six
but
again
I
I
I'll.
Let
the
jailers
address
that
if
they
know
that
number.
G
Thank
you,
chairman
and
I
apologize
for
missing
the
first
opening
remarks.
While
I
was
in
court
in
the
next
room,
so
you
may
have
said
it
and
I
missed
it.
Do
we
know
of
all
I
mean
just
looking
at
that
map
I'm
wondering
how
many
of
these
are
solvent?
How
many
of
these
are
Break
Even?
How
many
of
these
are
operating
in
a
loss?
And
if
you
know
that,
if
you
can
provide
that,
if
not,
if
you
could
give
us
that
exact
map,
but
with
that
data
instead,
we.
C
We
can
put
that
fiscal
year,
22
data
on
which
I
will
say-
and
this
is
terrible
to
say,
but.
A
C
Covid
was
a
good
thing
for
some
County
jails.
It's
obvious.
It
was
a
bad
thing
for
others.
So
there's
been,
there
has
been
a
little
bit
of
a
dip,
and
so
the
last
two
or
three
years
numbers
have
to
kind
of
be
annualized
a
little
bit.
There
actually
were
a
few
counties
that
showed
up
in
the
black
that
normally
wouldn't
because
their
population
is
dropped.
Yes,
yes,
but
that's
trended
back
up
are.
C
Not
at
the
total
number
yet,
but
we're
approaching
it,
but
less
than
10
counties
probably
would
show
or
have
ever
shown
in
the
black
in
recent
years.
I.
C
G
May
I
ask
another
question:
thank
you,
chairman
I,
look
forward
to
seeing
that
by
facility
that'd
be
nice
to
Statewide
the
only
other
question
that
occurs
to
me
at
the
moment.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
know.
G
Right
right,
y'all
love
those
questions.
I
might
I
might
reach
back
out
to
you
because
I
feel
like
it's
not
going
to
be
a
question
answer,
but
I
appreciate
the
information
she
can
provide.
I'll
save
it
for
later.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
the
information
this
morning,
just
two
things:
one
in
Aggregate
and
one
by
itself.
You
listed
some
dollar
figures
off
on
Bond
and
money
going
into
operational
accounts.
Those
type
things
early
on.
Will
you
supply
to
this
committee
as
soon
as
you
can
the
three
things,
four
things
that
I'm
interested
in
total
dollar
amount
of
outstanding
Bonds
in
aggregate
for
all
jail
facilities
across
the
Commonwealth?
H
Secondly,
total
number
of
local
jail
employees
in
aggregate
across
Commonwealth
and
aggregate
costs
for
them
third
thing:
being
total
operational
costs
in
aggregate
for
all
local
jail
facilities
across
Commonwealth
and
I.
Understand
on
that
one,
you
may
be
putting
some
of
those
other
categories
in
just
making
sure
you
break
them
out
and
then,
if
I
may
question,
will
you
be
able
to
do
that?
I
know
that
you're
trying
to
get
the
information
voluntarily
I'm
just
putting
the
burden
on
you
if
you're
willing
to
take
it.
If
please
get
that.
H
Some
years
ago
there
was
discussion
in
Judiciary
Committee
about
there
were
only
two
states
left
in
the
United
States
that
had
a
bifurcated,
local
and
state
incarceration
system,
and
then
I've
been
given
to
understand
that
one
of
those
Louisiana
may
not
be
doing
that
or
trying
to
transition
away
from
it.
Are
we
the
only
one
left
that
has
a
bifurcated
or
is
that?
Is
that
the
am
I
misunderstanding
and
that's
the
normal
model
across
the
United
States?
Do
you
have
anything
on
that.
C
Will
and
I
apologize
bifurcated
a
Frankfurt
term
that
I
I
hear
a
lot,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
the
description.
Now
the
Louisiana
and
US
example
I
think
chairman
Petrie
would
be
the
reference
to
a
state
that
elects
County
jailers
I,
think
that's
the
the
distinction
between
Us
and
other
states
and
I.
Think
Louisiana
was
maybe
the
other
state
that
also
elected
a
County
jailer.
I
I
think
that's
the.
H
C
G
You
chairman
chairman
Petrie,
that
made
me
think
of
another
question,
and
you
all
may
have
mentioned
this.
When
was
the
last
time
the
reimbursement
that
per
diem
rate
was
2008
and
what,
at
the
time
in
2008,
when
I
certainly
wasn't
here
what
factors
in
there?
How
was
the
number
that
and
it's
30
what
it.
G
D
C
G
G
C
And
chairman
Westerfield
I
mean
I,
think
that
really
kind
of
goes
to
a
discussion
about
that
whole
system.
You
know,
unfortunately,
or
fortunately,
however,
somebody
would
view
it
I
mean
at
the
time
that
that
was
initially
set,
maybe
even
before
08
for
counties
that
were
receiving
no,
no
subsidy,
no,
no
real
estate
assistance.
The
idea
of
housing
stadium
makes,
when
you
already
have
some
space
and
and
you've
got
some
extra
beds
and
Can.
You
house
some
State
inmates
and
get
paid
for
it.
That
was
viewed
as
income.
C
That
was
probably
better
than
not
income
right,
and
so
that
kind
of
led
to
some
of
that
proliferation,
and
that
number
then
probably
was
close,
maybe
to
cost
or
something
around
cost.
I
think
that's
been
part
of
the
problem.
Is
that
we've
seen
the
cost
of
incarceration
go
up
that
number
didn't
until
last
year
now
I
know
many
counties
who
used
to
hold
State
inmates
actually
want
to
push
the
state
inmates
out
because
they
had
the
responsibility
of
housing
their
own
and
they
would
actually
be
better
off.
C
G
G
How
many
of
the
other
counties
in
either
a
full
service
or
Regional
Jail?
Are
they
all
holding
State
inmates
that
can
I.
G
When
you,
when
you
come
back
to
us
with
a
list
of
Which
counties,
are
in
the
black
or
in
the
red,
are
holding
steady,
yep,
maybe
another
map
that
shows
or
list
that
shows
which
counties
are
currently
Housing
State
inmates
and
which
ones
are
not
they
most
are.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
representative,.
A
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you,
Jim
and
Shelly
for
the
presentation
and
I'm
really
excited
to
see
this
task
force
put
together.
Hopefully
we
can
come
up
with
some
with
some
solutions
that
will
help
some
of
those
43,
especially
those
43,
which
two
of
those
are
in
my
district
and
both
of
those
counties
are
small
rural
counties
with
small
populations,
but
it
has
put.
It
has
placed
such
a
strain
on
their
entire
County
budget
that
it's
affecting
everything
else
within
within
those
County,
the
counties
itself
and
I.
I
Guess
I
really
don't
have
much
of
a
question
except
we.
We,
you
made
a
reference
there
to
a
specific
individual
or
a
specific
County.
Well,
there's
in
in
one
of
my
counties,
there's
an
individual
that
committed
a
crime
was
held
in
one
of
the
joining
counties
until
the
trials
to
come
up,
and
then
they
ended
up
pleading
guilty
and
they're
still
sitting
there
in
that
jail
three
and
a
half
years
going
on
four
years,
and
that
county
is
still
having
to
pay
that
cost
and
it
for
almost
four
years
now.
I
So
it
has
been
that
that
has
been
their
their
County
judge.
Executive
and
their
Jailer
have
approached
me
about
that
several
times.
It's
something
we've
got
to
do
to
expedite
once
that
once
that
has
went
through
the
process,
whether
through
the
trial
or
whether
in
this
individual
pled
guilty
to
that
it
was
a
very
heinous
crime,
but
they're
still
sitting
in
one
of
those
surrounding
County
jails.
Today
they
are
still
today,
and
so
that's
something
I
think
we're
really
going
to
have
to
look
at
that.
I
We're
going
to
have
to
move
these
folks
on
to
wherever
their
wherever
their
sentence
is
going
wherever
they're
going
to
be
taken
to.
But
again
that
was
just
my
comment
that
it
is
just
put
in
such
a
strain
on
two
individual
counties
that
I
represent.
That
is
really
struggling
right
now,
just
because
of
of
this
jail
cost
that
that
they've
incurred.
So
that's
just
my
comment,
but
I'm
glad
we've
put
this
together
and
I
hope
we
certainly
can
address
some
of
these
situations.
C
And
representative
health
I
might
just
make
a
comment.
I
talked
with
judge
Stiltner.
Just
about
a
week
ago
we
had
one
of
our
regional
listening
sessions
there
in
the
Gateway
ad
region,
and
he
was
actually
talking
about
Menifee
County,
of
course,
one
of
your
counties
how
how
much
they
were
having
to
contribute
to
the
cost
of
incarcerating
their
their
folks
in
the
Rowan
County
facility,
judge
Clark
was
also
there
from
Rowan
County
I.
Think
judge.
C
Stiltner
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
be
the
official
quota
of
numbers,
but
I
think
he
said
it
was
about
400
000
per.
C
Think
he
told
us
his
whole
County
budget
was
maybe
maybe
three
million
two
or
three
million
dollars.
Judge
Clark
in
Rowan
County
said
that
they
were
putting
about
three
million
dollars
in
out
of
their
general
fund
into
the
jail
there
in
in
Rowan
County
and
he's
actually
this
this.
The
per
diem
challenge
actually
creates
a
different
kind
of
challenge
for
those
closed
counties.
Judge
Stilton
was
kind
of
talking
about
how
he
was
going
to
have
to
pay
more
to
house
inmates.
C
I
In
fact,
I
just
say
one
more
thing:
Mr
chairman
I'll
be
real,
quick
and,
and
both
of
the
counties,
of
course,
the
two
I'm
speaking
of
is
Menifee
and
bath,
and
and
they
both
are
really
struggling
and
and
what's
what's
occurring.
Also
is
when
the
jails
in
round
and
Montgomery
can't
take
those
inmates,
then
they're
having
to
transport
those
people
to
far
distances,
sometimes
Woodford
County,
sometimes
down
in
southeast,
to
some
of
the
regional
jails,
and
even
that
cost
of
the
transportation
is
just
is
putting
such
a
strain
on
their
budgets.
I
But
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
I
certainly
look
forward
to
being
able
to
hopefully
address
and
help
some
of
these,
especially
these
smaller
rural
counties
that
are
really
struggling
right
now.
Thank
you
very
much.
Senator
Webb.
J
Thank
you
and
I
guess.
This
is
probably
about
the
sixth
task
force
work
group
that
I've
been
on
I
know:
Cinder
Shell's
been
on
several
during
our
tenures
and
not
but
standing
the
budget
work
we've
done
on
justice,
but
I
hope
we
can
come
up
with
some
solutions
and
and
I
think
that
if
you
jails
aren't
meant
to
be
profit,
centers
or
service,
it's
got
to
be
provided
to
execute
Justice.
J
J
Secondly,
you
know,
if
you
look
at
that
map,
I'm
an
Eastern
I
practice
in
East
Kentucky,
all
over
and
I,
sometimes
I
dread
going
to
court
because
I
know
I'm
going
to
see
my
Jailer
I
hate
to
visit
my
clients,
because
I
know,
I'm
gonna
have
to
have
a
discussion
with
my
Jailer
about
finances
and
burdens
and
like
a
Manpower
Transportation
costs.
J
Like
representative
Hale
said,
you
know,
you
look
at
that
map,
there's
a
lot
of
light
blue
up
where
I'll
practice,
two
of
my
counties
in
my
circuit,
where
I
practice
my
home
circuit,
don't
have
a
jail,
Lewis,
County,
very
large
County.
You
know
we
rely
heavily
on
Amazing
County,
but
we
can't
always
do
that.
So
we've
got
some
logistic
and
cost
issues
there,
along
with
Manpower
and
transportation
that
are
just
the
harder.
The
smallest
county
budgets
are
getting
hit
the
hardest.
So
we
we've
got
to
find
some
parity
in
this
Dynamic.
J
Here
you
look
at
Northeast
Kentucky,
there's,
not
a
Regional
Jail
that
close
to
my
district
and
we've
got
some
good
jails.
We
got
Federal
presence
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
You
know
we're
kind
of
luckier
than
most,
but
it's
not
been
easy.
So
you
know
we've
got
to
come
up
with
Solutions
with
parity
for
population
in
this
service
and
then
to
to
also
address
I.
Think
the
state
inmate
situation.
J
We
are
responsible
as
state
policy
makers
for
those
individuals
and
the
inconsistency
of
program
facilities
and
even
exercise
or
medical
care
in
these
County
jails.
Were
our
state
inmates
that
have
already
convicted
in
the
state
system
and
have
a
state
number
we're
responsible
for
that
and
there's
a
huge
inconsistency
and
lack
of
parity
for
program
and
opportunity.
So
it's
a
luck
of
the
draw
when
you
get
classified
as
an
inmate,
you
may
be
sent
to
a
place
where
there's
not
any
opportunity
for
even
getting
out
yourself
and
walking
around
hardly
let
alone
any
programmatic
benefits.
J
So
that
is
another
thing
and
and
I
mean
as
an
attorney
there's
equal
protection
even
for
inmates
here
and
we're
not
doing
that
and
I
think
it's
a
violation
of
law
and
I.
Think
we've
got
to
address
that
so
that
those
are
the
things
that
I'm
concerned
about
that
I've.
Seen
in
my
practice
and,
like
I
said
sometimes
I
dread
going
to
court
because
I'm
going
to
have
to
have
these
conversations
as
a
policy
maker.
So
thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
A
And
then
I
guess:
I'll
yep
represent
Petrie.
H
Thank
you
just
just
for
clarification
purposes.
The
the
facilities
overview
slide,
that's
up
and
I
think
the
numbers
have
been
mentioned:
full
service
jails,
70.,
I'm,
going
to
assume
and
please
correct
or
modify
that.
That
means
housing,
local
and
Housing
state
and
Performing
all
functions
fair
enough.
All
right,
then
I'm
going
to
assume
Regional
Jail
is
something
different.
H
C
Yes,
chairman
Petrie,
there
is
actually
a
legislation
that
allows
for
counties
to
go
together
and
create
a
Regional,
Jail,
Authority
I
believe
is
the
term
statute,
and
so
those
regions
there,
some
time
ago,
County
officials
in
those
maybe
two
or
three
counties
around
decided
that,
rather
than
having
a
jail
just
in
their
County,
that
they
would
have
a
regional.
H
C
That
that
those
facilities
are
are
Standalone
in
that
regard,
it's
not
that
it's
a
County's
jail
that
is
serving
as
a
Regional
Jail.
It
is
actually
a
facility
that
it
in
and
of
itself,
was
designated
as
the
regional
jail
and
I
think
and
again
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
these
Regional
jails,
because
those
have
actually
been
around
a
long
time
and
there
haven't
been
very
many
scents
that
that
I
think
have
even
been
talked
about
much,
but
they
hired
their
own
administrator.
That
is
actually
I,
think
an
employee
of
the
counties.
C
They
have
like
a
board
with
appointments
from
each
of
the
county
on
this
on
this
entity
board
and
then
I
think
they
hire
the
administrator
for
that
facility.
It's
not
necessarily
the
elected
Jailer
from
that
county
is.
H
D
H
A
A
A
K
I
almost
want
to
leave
now
that
they've
got
this
started
right.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
having
us
chairman,
Bray
and
chairman
schickel
members
of
the
board.
My
name
is
Jim
Daly
I
am
the
Jailer
in
Campbell
County
Kentucky
and
the
president
of
the
jailers
association
and
I
have
with
me
art,
maglinger,
Josh,
lindblum
and
Jason
woosley.
Pardon
me.
K
This
group,
particularly
and
really
the
legislation
legislature
and
our
local
governments,
need
to
start
looking
at
Corrections
from
10
000
feet
right,
because
this
is
not
a
jail
problem.
This
is
a
criminal
justice
problem.
I
was
talking
to
somebody
earlier
and
I.
I
was
looking
over
the
study
that
Ray,
sabatini
and
Robert
Powell
did
for
Campbell
County
about
15
years
ago
and
going
through
the
issues
and
the
problems
they're
the
same
today
only
larger
right.
K
Think
you
also
need
to
know
going
into
this,
and
he
heard
my
preaching
on
this
is
that
jailers
today
are
Professionals
for
the
most
part,
good
and
bad
and
everything,
but
the
folks
sitting
with
me
at
this
table-
and
you
know
the
ones
that
were
at
our
conference
last
week,
the
ones
that
want
to
be
there
are
professional
people
and
they
they
represent
118
counties.
Here
they
they
are
in
your
community
and
I.
Think
if
somebody
asked
a
question,
I
forget
who
it
was
about.
Are
we
the
only
ones
that
have
elected
jailers?
K
I
would
tell
you
thank
God.
We
are
because
we
pay
attention
to
our
constituents,
we're
the
ones
that
see
him
at
church
on
Sunday
we're
the
ones
that
see
him
at
all
the
the
festivities
and
the
different
things
that
we
do
and
we
go
to
in
our
communities
and
we're
the
ones
that
have
to
deal
with
them
when
their
son
or
daughter
is
arrested
for
the
first
or
second
time,
and
they
come
into
our
facility
and
and
Senator
Webb.
K
You
know
this
from
doing
criminal
work,
they're
lost,
they
don't
have
a
clue
on
what
to
do
and
they
depend
on
us
to
help
guide
them
through
that
whole
process.
So
I
I
think
it's
important
that
that
this
group,
particularly
because
we
as
jailers,
can't
fix
it.
It's
the
only
job
I've
had
and
you
know,
I've
been
a
trooper
I've
been
a
local
policeman.
I've
been
a
county
attorney.
I've
been
a
prosecutor
for
a
county
attorney.
K
I
can't
keep
a
job
I've
been
in
the
jail
for
a
long
time,
but
it's
the
only
job
I've
ever
had
where
I
have
control
over
nothing.
I,
don't
control
my
budget
I,
don't
control
who
comes
in
I,
don't
control
who
goes
out
I,
don't
control
the
costs
of
those
things.
The
budget
for
our
buildings
is
all
outside
of
my
control,
so
you
know
we
have
to
do
our
very
best
and
I'm
fortunate
and
as
I
think
most
of
them
up
here
at
the
table
with
me
are
that
my
Fiscal
Court
is
wonderful.
K
So
anyway,
I
apologize,
but
I
I
had
to
respond
to
some
of
the
ideas
that
were
thrown
out
there,
because
this
is
an
important
job
and
I
think
it's
incumbent
on
all
of
us
to
keep
it
local
so
that
we
have
that
control
and
we
have
people
in
those
shops
that
actually
care
about
the
people
in
their
community.
K
I'll
stop
now
so
the
facilities
overview,
I
think
you've
heard
a
lot
about
that
again.
We
have
118,
really
119
counties
now,
because
Fayette
County's
come
back
in
the
fold,
the
fellow
that's,
the
the
administrator.
There
now
has
been
a
trainer
for
jails
forever,
but
he
started
meeting
and
talking
with
us
again
some
with
Louisville,
but
basically
we
have
119
counties,
119
jails
that
that
our
association
represents
and
work
with
on
a
pretty
regular
basis.
I
guess
we!
When
we
get
into
the
questions,
we
can
talk
more
about
the
different
types
of
jails.
K
But
if
you
look,
you
know
the
full
service
jails,
70
of
those
Regional
jails
for
Life,
Safety,
three
and
closed
sales.
Of
course,
43..
K
Who
do
we
house-
and
this
is
probably
the
most
important
part,
because
again
we
have
absolutely
no
control
to
a
great
degree
over
who
we
house,
we
have
pre-trial
misdemeanors
and
pre-trial
felons
just
by
way
of
example,
in
my
County
it
would
be
phenomenal
except
I.
Have
a
third
or
more
of
my
population
on
a
daily
basis
is
pre-trial
felons
can't
get
rid
of
them.
K
The
system
won't
move
them
through
quick
enough,
so
they
are
stuck
in
my
jail
and
again
sometimes
most
of
the
time
they're
in
and
out
six
eight
months,
but
I've
had
them
there
again
for
four
or
five
years,
just
getting
through
had
one
get
convicted
had
it
overturned
and
came
back
for
a
couple
more
years.
She
liked
it
so
well,
so
we
have
them
there,
a
ton-
and
it's
very
it's
the
hardest
time
that
any
inmate
has
right
is
pre-trial
time
because
they
don't
have
the
room
to
move
around.
K
They
don't
have
the
benefits
that
they
have
and
we
have
a
lot
of
programs
in
my
jail,
but
they
still
don't
have
the
same
programs
that
they
have
in
the
state
system.
We
have
sentenced
misdemeanors,
you
know
again.
These
folks
can
all
Enlighten
you
on
theirs,
but
you
know
I
might
have
25
or
30
convicted
misdemeanors
a
day
in
my
jail
and
I
may
have
10
or
15
pre-trial
misdemeanors
in
my
jail
very
low
number
for
700
beds,
fugitives
from
other
states.
K
We
we
have
those
they
usually
move
through
pretty
quickly
federal
inmates,
I
hold
about
50,
55
federal
inmates.
I'm
I
could
have
a
lot
more,
but
I
don't
have
the
Personnel
for
it
right
now,
I'm
right
next
door
to
the
Federal
Courthouse
in
Covington.
They
like
us,
because
we
do
all
the
transports
and
so
forth,
but
again
I.
Just
don't
have
the
Personnel,
then
ice,
detainers
I,
don't
hold
ice
detainers
any
longer
than
I
have
to
think.
Boone
County
still
holds
a
lot
but
they're,
basically
federal
inmates
as
well.
K
State
inmate,
wise
class
Steve,
felons
you'll,
hear
about
the
class
C
and
class
D
felon
custody
that
have
to
stay
in
local
jails.
And
then
there
are
others
in
that
category
that
do
go
to
prison,
eventually,
parole
violators,
probation
violators,
which
are
considered
County
until
they're
actually
found
to
have
violated,
and
then
alternative
sentence
will
hear
and
talk
a
lot
about
alternative
sentence,
because
those
are
the
ones
that
we
need
to
get
classified.
So
we
can
get
them
moved.
K
Again
about
County
Jail
populations,
we
don't
arrest
them,
we
don't
set
the
bails
or
the
bonds
prosecute
sentence
or
classify
so
again
all
things
that
are
beyond
the
control
of
a
County
jailer
and
really
out
of
the
control
of
a
County
Fiscal
Court.
We
have
to
house
them
and
we
do
a
good
job,
housing
them,
but
we
don't
control
all
those
things
that
bring
them
in
or
get
them
out
again.
K
We
talk
about
the
populations
themselves
in
Northern,
Kentucky
I
would
tell
you
particularly
and
I
think
this
is
true
in
all
jails,
but
our
populations,
you
know
80
85
percent
of
them
come
in,
have
a
drug
or
alcohol
addiction
right
and
and
they're
in
poor
health,
particularly
with
fentanyl
and
carfentanyl.
Now
methamphetamine.
If
you
come
into
my
jail,
I
have
a
large
population
out
and
how
they
can
eat
food
because
they
don't
have
any
teeth
from
using
so
much
meth
carfentanyl.
K
You
know:
Boone
County,
research,
I'm,
sorry,
Grant
County
recently
had
a
situation
where
a
lady
came
in.
They
were
doing
a
search
of
the
cell
or
something
and
either
it
was
either
fentanyl
or
carfentanyl.
I
can't
remember
if
they
figured
out
which
yet,
but
it
got
loose,
dropped
five
Deputy
jailers
in
their
tracks
inside
the
jail
they
had,
the
Narcan
up
to
the
Jailer
and
the
chief
Deputy,
the
Jailer
at
the
time,
had
to
go
to
hospital
and
he
left
and
walked
back.
K
So
you
get
back
to
his
channel,
take
care
of
his
people,
but
those
are
the
kinds
you
know
those
people
are
besides
their
addiction
problems.
They
have
an
exaggerated
amount
of
health
issues
that
we
have
to
deal
with
on
a
daily
basis
and
again
one
thing
that
you
know:
I'm
I'm
on
the
mental
health
committee.
Now
anybody
sitting
here
that
works
in
a
Jailer
Works
around
a
jail.
We
have
a
very,
very,
very
large
population
that
have
serious
mental
health
issues.
Aside
from
the
addiction
issues,
mental
health
is
a
big
problem
in
jails.
K
We're
expected
to
be
able
to
control
these
folks
and
they're
they're
very
difficult
in
a
lot
of
circumstances
to
control
physically
or
mentally,
and
even
though
we
pay
well
and
I,
don't
know
how
the
jails
do
it.
My
folks
don't
have
the
training
or
the
expertise
to
deal
with
significant
mental
health
issues
and
I.
K
Don't
think
anybody
some
might,
but
I
will
tell
you
it's
few
and
far
between
they
can
deal
with
mental
health
issues
in
a
jail
and
again
we're
charged
with
custody
care
control
of
all
these
folks
and
have
to
do
the
very
best
with
what
we
have
State
classification
system
dictates
what
inmates
can
be
housed
in
what
facilities
and
when
those
inmates
are
eligible
for
programming,
that's
I
think
was
brought
up
a
little
bit
earlier.
It's
going
to
be
a
big
issue,
something
that
that
we
as
jailers
would
like
to
be
able
to
do.
K
We'd
like
to
be
able
to
classify
you
know
our
folks
are
intelligent
enough,
have
enough
training
or
can
be
trained
to
get
these
folks
classified
and
get
them
moved
out
of
our
jails
more
quickly
now
and
and
I,
don't
know
how
or
why
they
can't
do
it.
I
have
my
own
suspicions
which
we
can
talk
about
later,
but
we
can't
get
them
classified
from
Corrections,
don't
know
what
they're
doing
and
they
won't
talk
to
us.
K
And
I
guess
you
that
you
guys
get
provided
all
these?
This
is
a
breakdown.
I'm
gonna
have
to
get
my
cheaters
out
because
Renee
made
the
print
too
small
for
me.
K
K
K
I
can't
see
that's
either
six
or
eight
percent
class,
a
felony
six
percent
base,
11
percent
C
felonies
19.
Then
you
look
at
your
class
days.
23
percent!
That's
again
pre-trial
population
pre-trial
holds
again.
You
guys
can
can
look
at
these,
but
other
holds
14
federal
inmates
on
hold
two
percent
County
inmates
on
hold
0.8
State
inmates
on
hold
17
percent.
K
Contempt
on
hold
and
contempts
are
are
a
difficult
number,
but
nine
percent
of
our
population,
probation
on
hold
25
percent
parole,
hold
nine
percent.
Those
probationers
are
basically
State
inmates
or
they're
not
finalized,
so
those
are
on
the
County's
ticket
and
then
non-payment
of
fines,
24
percent.
K
L
Don't
have
a
microphone
but
I
just
want
to
say
my
name
is
the
chairperson
of
the
legislative
Committee
of
the
other
Association
I'm,
also
the
Hardin
County
jailer.
L
You
know
over
the
years
I've
seen
what
y'all
have
done
to
help
us
help
Corrections
in
general
I
know
Senator
storm
trying
to
help
the
court
system
move
faster.
You
know,
I
know
Senator
Webb's
always
been
there
to
help.
You
know
just
listen
to
us
and
and
she's
seen
the
same.
The
same
things
we've
gone
through
I
know
senator
schickel.
Of
course
he
was
knee-deep
in
it
for
years
as
a
Jailer,
you
know
so
we
know
what
y'all
have
done.
L
Of
course
we
know
y'all
have
put
forth
the
effort
for
the
per
diem
increase
and
I
know
right
now,
I'm,
really
appreciative
of
y'all
getting
together
and
sitting
here
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this
go
forward
and
how
to
make
this
better
nobody's
better.
You
know
nobody
wants
more
reform
than
the
Jailer
Association
and
we
appreciate
y'all
look
at
this
we're
an
association
of
professionals,
we've
gone
through
it
earlier
with
with
representative
Bray.
L
We
have
attorneys
that
are
jailers.
We
have
former
prosecutors
that
are
jailers.
We
have
a
lot
of
former
law
enforcement.
It's
not
just
the
regular
folks,
just
come
off
the
street
anymore.
It's
it's
a
lot
of
professionals
that
are
in
the
association
that
do
very
well.
Do
you
know
if
we
have
a
problem,
we'll
actually
get
together?
Look
at
it
and
help
figure
it
out.
L
We've
been
able
to
sit
down
and
fix
like
a
lot
of
the
programming
issues.
You
know,
I
can
call
Jill
and
Magdalene
are
here
and
say:
hey
you
know:
can
we
get
together
on
this
and
and
look
over
this
program
seeing
something
that
would
fit
our
our
area
here?
You
know
outside
of
states
and
everything
else
that
we
get
different
things
different
conferences
to
go
to
we're
able
to
sit
down
and
look
at
the,
how
other
states
do
things
and
how
you
know
it's
worked
for
them
or
hasn't
worked
for
them.
L
You
know,
we've
helped
each
other.
You
know
work
on
finances
if
there
was
a
jail
that
called
and
said,
hey,
you
know,
I,
just
I.
Just
can't
get
my
finances
right.
You
know
on
how
to
how
to
cut
this
down
and
cut
this
down.
You
know
we'll
be
able
to
sit
down
together
and
send
a
group
down
and
and
work
on
that
maintenance
issues.
If
there's
a
maintenance
issue,
someone
takes
over
a
jail
that
was
neglected
over
the
years.
L
We've
all
sent
Crews
down
to
help
them
example:
Boyd
County,
Board
County
over
the
years,
been
a
a
big
cross
to
bear
for
the
association.
Now
it's
a
facility,
that's
really
turned
itself
around
and
the
jail
has
done,
has
done
an
excellent
job
and
he
would
have
been
here
right
now
and
stuff,
but
he's
got
some
medical
issues
in
his
family
or
he'd
been
here,
but
you
know
the
discussion
on
House
Bill
211
a
couple
years
ago.
L
The
way
y'all
helped
us
just
this
last
session
with
open
up
our
Workforce.
That's
another
thing:
that's
helped
us
out
a
whole
lot
of
stuff.
We
will
be
helping
us
out
come
July,
but
we
bring
a
lot
of
interest
in
it.
So,
that's
that's
a
really
good
thing
and-
and
you
know,
I
just
appreciate
y'all
having
us
here
and
I
know
most
y'all
make
yourself
available
to
for
us
sit
down
within
your
office,
I
gotta
say
it's
I
appreciate
very
much
of
the
whole
association
appreciates
it.
K
As
far
as
appreciation,
too
about
one
thing
that
you
talked
about
earlier,
that
I
think
is
going
to
help
out
that
we'll
be
able
to
help
out
a
lot
with
as
a
result
of
the
legislature
is.
They
gave
us
15
million
dollars
for
virtual
court
and
virtual
arraignment.
That
will
be
a
big
deal
last
year.
K
Actually,
the
last
couple
years
in
Campbell,
County
I
held
quite
a
few
inmates
for
Pendleton
County
and
for
counties
all
over
the
place,
but
particular
Pendleton
and
I
mean
we
were
doing
court
on
cell
phones
and
all
kind
of
gamut,
but
this
this
virtual
Court
virtual
arraignment,
and
we
can
use
it
for
a
million
other
things.
You
know
we're
now
allowed
to
do
the
medicine
I.
K
L
It
was
an
agreement
in
video
court
and
everything
else
able
to
keep
the
court
system
up
and
running
to
where
we
didn't
have
folks
sitting
in
language
in
jail.
While.
Most
of
the
you
know,
parts
of
the
government
were
shut
down
and
everything
else,
the
other
social
keep
that
going.
The
zoom
links
with
different.
You
know
jav
links
and
Cisco
links,
so.
M
So
we
have,
we
have
a
lot
of
challenges,
but
we
tried
to
pick
out
some
of
the
ones
that
are
the
tougher
ones
that
we're
dealing
with
currently
across
the
board
pretty
much
in
every
jail,
especially
those
that
house
State
inmates.
M
So
the
first
one
there
is
inmates
are
not
eligible
for
programming
until
they
are
classified
by
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Corrections,
and
the
current
classification
process
has
fallen
behind
it
statutorily
requirements
for
for
years
now.
So
I
think
some
of
you
all
have
heard
me
talk
about
before
how,
where
the
jails
are
full
of
controlled
intakes,
which
are
unclassified
State
inmates.
M
So
in
that
setting
they
can't
join
any
programs.
They
don't
get
any
benefit
from
completing
a
program
during
that
time,
even
if
we
allow
them
to
go
ahead
and
attend
those
programs
before
they
get
sentenced,
they
get
no
credit
for
that
other
than
a
paper
certificate,
and
and
we've
got
inmates
that
are
sometimes
setting
as
long
as
six
months
to
a
year,
waiting
to
be
classified,
which
is
not
fair
to
anyone
and
and
not
just
the
inmates
are
benefiting
from
those
programs
in
our
class
D
programs.
M
Our
community
benefits
from
that
as
well,
because
we
take
those
same
inmates
out
and
work
in
our
communities
which
saves
our
cities
and
our
communities,
money
for
labor
expenses
and
and
whatnot.
So
that's
a
big
one
for
all
of
us.
County
jails
combined
hold
the
largest
number
of
mentally
ill
kentuckians,
with
very
little
access
to
mental
health
care.
That's
a
Hot
Topic
across
the
board.
M
So
that's
a
big
issue
for
everyone
as
well
probation
and
pro
as
well
as
technical
violations,
are
often
placed
back
into
our
facilities
on
new
charges,
making
a
cycle
that
aids
in
excessive
court
dockets
court
dockets
are
a
big
problem
right
now.
I
see
it
a
lot
in
in
my
county
in
Grayson,
County
and
I'll.
Let
art
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
but
things
seem
to
just
keep
getting
slower
and
slower
in
the
court
system,
which
makes
our
jail
population
go
higher
and
higher
it's
art.
If
you
want
to
touch
on
that,
just
a.
N
Little
bit
just
to
give
you
an
idea:
I
serve
as
the
Davis
County
jailer
and
in
our
population.
Today
our
in-house
population
is
at
683
and
of
that
683,
379
or
County
inmates
still
awaiting
trial.
So
that's
been
the
highest
in
my
six
years
of
serving
as
Jailer
I,
remember
being
as
low
as
240
for
that
number.
So
it
continues
to
be
a
backlog
of
cases
since
the
pandemic
very
challenging.
M
So
some
resolutions
for
those
difficulties
that
we
have
first
local
facilities
already
classified
non-state
inmates
housed
in
their
facilities
and
affix
to
that
is
to
allow
doc
to
train
jails,
to
classify
control
the
controlled
intake
population,
so
that
the
terms
and
the
information
that
it
takes
for
Doc
to
know
how
to
classify
that
particular
inmate.
The
County
Jail's
already
had
we
Supply
most
of
that
information
to
the
Department
of
Corrections.
M
If
we
were
allowed
or
some
of
us
at
least
we're
allowed
to
to
do
that
process
ourselves.
That
would
speed
the
system
up
system
up
much
faster
and
everyone
would
benefit
from
that
add
tools
that
allow
for
Swifter
access
to
Justice.
Less
than
one
percent
of
jury
cases
go
to
trial,
revisit
graduated
sanctions
to
prevent
new
charges
for
probation
and
parole
and
Technical
violators.
M
That's
been
visited
before
and
we
think
it's
worth
visiting
again
less
than
one
percent
of
jury
cases
go
to
trials
huge,
also
because
they're
sitting
on
the
county
dime,
while
they're
awaiting
trial
and
then
the
day
of
or
the
day
before,
they'll
sign
a
plea
agreement
and
we
believe
that
could
be
done
in
a
speedier
process.
M
If
that's
going
to
be
the
outcome,
expand
access
to
substance,
abuse,
treatment,
programs
inside
and
outside
jail
facilities
and
partner
with
patient
rehabilitation
centers
we
do
have
in
some
of
the
rural
areas
as
well,
more
access
to
real
base
rehabilitation,
centers
in
our
areas,
I
know
in
Grayson
County.
We
have
three
that
are
they're,
not
in-house
treatment
centers,
but
they
are
located
locally
there
in
our
County
and
we
take.
M
We
take
advantage
of
that
already
by
referring
inmates
to
those
facilities
as
they
leave
our
facilities
and
if
that
was
allowed,
that
we
could
partner
with
those
facilities
in
a
more
in-depth
fashion.
That
would
also
be
a
big
help
and
expand
greater
access
to
mental
health
care
for
incarcerating
individuals
through
cmhc's
local
Health
departments,
and
provide
mental
health
centers
we're
very
limited
on
Mental
Health
treatments.
M
Most
of
us
have
health
departments
in
our
areas,
and
they
do
help
us
as
much
as
they
can.
Our
court
systems
order
individuals
to
facilities
like
Central
State,
but
they're
backlogged
over
a
year
and
there's
really
no
access
for
those
inmates
during
that
wait
time
we're
very,
very
limited
on
Mental
Health.
But
everyone
expects
us
to
take
care
of
that
mental
health
problem
when
they
arrive
at
our
facility
and
we
do
the
best
we
can.
But
we
it's
still
a
struggle.
K
K
And
that
Academy,
you
know
today
to
be
a
deputy
Jailer.
You
have
to
have
40
hours
of
training
actually
to
be
a
deputy
Jailer.
You
have
to
have
20
hours
of
trailing
training
for
for
jailers
it's
40
hours
a
year,
that's
beyond
ridiculous.
We
need
you
know
again.
K
K
It
ensured
continued
safety
of
both
the
incarcerated
and
jail
staff.
Again
we
we
talked
about
her
I
talked
about
the
issue
that
happened
in
Grant
County
and
unfortunately,
I
will
tell
you
that
last
week,
I
had
one
of
my
sergeants
go
down
that
had
fentanyl
come
out
in
the
jail
cell
and
we
had
to
Narcan
her
a
couple
of
times
to
take
her
to
the
hospital.
So
it's
a
dangerous
business.
K
We
think
we
could
do
the
training
and
Regional
setup
to
Regional
manner,
so
we
could
maximize
the
benefit
and
lessen
the
cost
to
both
the
state
and
the
county.
I
think
it's
proven
in
different
organizations.
I
think
it.
It
would
prove
true
for
us
that
Recruitment
and
Retention
issues
would
be
better
served
by
having
training
right
now.
It's
it
and
I
speak
for
myself
and
I.
Think
they'll
agree
with
me,
but
it's
hard
right
now
to
find
you
know
they.
K
They
can
go
to
McDonald's
and
make
15
or
16
bucks
an
hour
or
they
can
come
make
20
for
me
and
get
feces
and
urine
thrown
on
them.
So
it's
and
again
my
county
is
very
good
to
me.
Our
pay
from
Once
We
Came
is
much
better
now
than
it
was
in
the
years
gone
by
and
I
know.
That's
true.
Throughout
Northern
Kentucky
I
know
when
I
talked
to
some
other
jailers
they're
jealous
a
little
bit
and
then
there
are
other
ones
that
pay
more.
A
Right,
thank
you
all
very,
very
much.
I'm
gonna
start
off
with
the
question.
Can
you
explain
what
the
classification
process
generally
is
and
who
determines
the
needs
of
the
inmate
as
far
as
what
programs
they're
eligible
for
or
how
all
that
works.
L
I'll,
take
that
so
on
the
classification
process,
when
you
get
an
inmate
in
they
go
to
state
prison
because
once
they
leave
our
facility,
they'll
go
to
usually
the
rotary,
complex
I
think
they
open
a
little
Sandy
now,
but
they
will
classify
the
length
of
service
they
will
find
out
who
they
can't
be
around
in
any
facility
to
make
sure
they're
safe
while
they're
stay,
you
know
so,
depending
on
what
the
crime
is,
whether
it
be
assessed,
crime
or
whatever
they
get
sent
to
different
facilities,
but
also
show
you
know.
L
If
somebody
needs
is
eligible
for
a
SAT
program.
What
programs
would
benefit
for
that
person
for
their
re-entry
status
to
get
them
back
acclimated
with
Society,
so
you
break
down
everything.
You
know,
I
mean
any
kind
of
class
for
like
say
if
it
was
domestic
violence
Cloud.
You
know
you
know
batters
intervention,
something
they
will
get
a
lot
of.
You
know
you
need
this
this
and
this
before
your
next
parole
date
to
even
look
at
you
know
thinking
about
getting
out
so
they
decide.
You
know
who's
who's
safe
for
Community
custody.
L
So
if
you
send
somebody
down
to
a
County
facility,
is
this
person
safe
to
work
in
the
community
with
deputies?
Is
this
person
safe
to
work
in
a
facility
around
in
the
kitchen,
whatever
you
know,
but
they
break
it
down
so
that
that
whole
classification
process
goes
through
there.
A
So
if
there's
a
state
inmate
with
the
Class
D
Felony
and
they
need
their
GED
or
they
need
to
go
through
the
sap
program,
if
that's
not
offered
within
the
facility
they're
located
just
Corrections
handle
the
transfer.
How
does
that
work.
L
So
each
individual
facility
will
actually
put
in
so
you
know
we
have
this
many
programs
and
and
there's
generally
not
a
GED
program
not
offered
in
the
state
by
by
a
County
facility.
I
think
we
did
the
class
today.
So
there
was
like
four
or
five,
but
they
actually
opened
it
up
to
where
they
can
retain
other
facilities
and
stuff
in
the
meantime,
to
test
and
everything
else
say
if
somebody
doesn't
have
GD
Proctor
or
something
like
that,
but
but
yeah
they'll
say:
okay
would
like
you
to
go
with
your
GD
courses.
L
J
You
and
I
do
have
a
question
on
classification
too,
but
I.
Think
first,
you
know,
I'm
thankful,
I,
think
we,
lawyers
that
are
legislators
are
thankful
for
virtual
anything
at
this
point
when
it
comes
to
court,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
about
the
representation
Justice
aspect
of
that
as
a
practitioner.
If
I
want
a
client
there
in
person,
I
want
to
have
that
option
to
do
that.
So
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
need
to
also
maintain
the
mental
health.
J
You
know
identification
of
that
mental
health
issue
is
first
and
foremost,
I
mean
the
counties
are
open
up
to
a
lot.
It
it
and
and
I
think
that
prevention
is
worth
potential,
liability
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
assess
from
a
fiscal
impact.
Standpoint
too
I
would
rather
prevent
that
for
you
and
the
county
than
than
not
by
funding
it
upfront
on
identification
and
segregation
and
addressing
that
issue
the
backlog
we're
all
experiencing.
J
You
know
it
comes
again
down
to
funding
and
the
public
defender's
office,
the
demographic
of
indigent
offense
and
and
that
have
some
offices
can't
get
people
to
work,
and
that
comes
down
once
again
to
priority
of
funding
in
our
budget
and
how
to
to
move
those
cases
along.
You
know
the
wheels
of
Justice
sometimes
turn
slow
and,
as
a
practitioner
and
representing
the
population
I
represent,
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
sacrifice
that
for
convenience
or
money,
but
we've
got
to
be
mindful
of
anything.
J
We
can
do
to
to
lessen
that
burden
for
the
agencies,
whether
it's
pre-trial
Corrections
classification
I
mean
there's,
there's
something
in
every
phase
of
this
before
they
get
to
you
or
while
they're,
in
your
presence
that
we
can
do
that
to
tweak
that
agency,
making
those
decisions.
But
my
question
on
classification
is
you
know
how?
How
can
we
best
do
that
in
a
uniform
I
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
some
temporary
or
some
classification
by
respective
jails,
as
long
as
the
criteria
was
consistent
and
had
State
oversight,
and
how
could
we
best
do
that?
J
If
we're
going
to
get
recommendations
on
on
classification,
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
put
a
fire
under
correction,
somehow
get
them
more
people,
whatever
their
needs
are
or
or
we
can
have
a
ground
up
approach,
that's
consistent
with
an
umbrella
supervision.
So
well,
how
would
you
all
envision
that.
K
I
would
just
tell
you
that
at
Campbell,
County
I
have
a
full-time
classification
officer
and
by
the
time
she
hands
them
off
to
Corrections
it's
99
done
I,
don't
know
why
they
are
so
bound
and
determined
to
hold
on
to
it.
It's
not
brain
science
for
what
they're
doing
with
it
a
big
one
that
that
comes
up
oftentimes,
Senator
Webb,
is
on
the
sex
offenders.
You
know
they
can't
get
classified.
K
If
they
can't
get
classified
in
time,
they
can't
get
to
their
classes
that
are
required,
which
means
they
have
to
sit
until
they
get
to
prison.
Then
once
they
get
there,
they're
going
to
wait
18
months
to
two
years
to
get
into
the
class
once
they're
there.
If
we
could
get
them
classified
and
get
them
shipped
or
even
do
that
training
locally.
It
would
move
that
demographic
through
much
more
quickly.
We're.
K
K
It's
it's
only
going
to
get
worse
and
and
if
you
go
to
the
mental
health
Summit
week
before
last
and
Louisville,
it
was
great
if
you
didn't-
and
you
can
get
some
of
the
information
that
I
think
that's
an
Awakening
for
many
of
us
in
the
court
system
and
the
criminal
justice
system.
J
And
and
I
I'm
interested
in
consistency
throughout
the
state.
So
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
plan
that
would
provide
that
for
all
inmates,
somehow
whether
it
would
be
a
Regis
shared
approach
or
something
like
that,
because
not
every
jail
has
that
capacity
and
some
jails.
Do
it
very
well,
but
thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
F
K
L
I
think,
by
the
time
it
gets
to
that
system,
I,
don't
think
it's
any
much
difference
in
time,
because
you
know
the
Precedence
investigations
you
have
for
probation
and
parole
for
somebody.
That's
actually
getting
final,
sentenced.
All
that's
generated
through
our
general
management
software
and
every
every
facility
has
that.
L
So
all
the
questions
that
we
have
for
our
classification
officer
to
make
sure
they're
safe
in
that
facility
same
question
that
that's
not
on
that
phone
there,
so
yeah
I
mean
so
depending
on
where
we
put
somebody
in
our
maximum
security
section
of
the
jail
or
are
just
a
general
population.
Minimum
security
will
be
the
same
exact
questions
and.
F
Do
you
know
whether
or
not
the
individual
can
be
classified
if
they
have
pending
charges,
say,
for
instance,
they've
already
been
sentenced
on
one
indictment
but
they're
awaiting
trial
on
another
indictment?
Can
that
person
go
ahead
and
be
classified
and
shipped
out,
perhaps
maybe
do
virtual
appearances
or
something
on
their
other
cases?
Well,.
L
F
F
Okay
and
then
the
last
question:
if
I
may
jails
that
have
federal
inmates,
they
receive
federal
dollars.
Correct
so
do
those
inmates
that
are
pre-trial
haven't
been
sentenced
yet
are
they
able
to
participate
in
any
sort
of
programming
such
as
what
we
see
under
the
first
step
act
that
was
passed?
Are
they
able
to
do
anything
while
they're
being
housed
prior
to
sentencing.
M
That
would
be
probably
different
for
each
facility,
but
yes,
they
can,
as
far
as
Senate's
credit
or
anything,
it
would
be
up
to
the
sentencing
judge,
but
they
would
receive
a
certificate
from
like
for
our
facility.
We
would
give
them
our
certificate
from
our
program
and
they
would
be
able
to
take
that
with
it
when
they
leave
or
their
attorneys
would
have
access
to
it.
So
they
would
not.
M
F
You're
at
Grayson
County
is
that
correct,
Grayson,
County,
yeah
and
I
can
attest
to
that.
I
had
a
client
that
came
to
court
she'd
been
there
for
a
lengthy
period
of
time.
She
came
to
court.
She
got
a
stack
of
programs,
so
I
was
just
curious
if
that
was
all
facilities
that
receiving
federal
dollars
or
just
certain
facilities.
So.
E
Thank
you,
as
it
relates
to
class
classification,
I.
Think
someone
mentioned
about
individuals
being
utilized
for
work.
Can
you
talk
more
about
what
that
looks
like
how
individuals
are
used
to
work
in
counties?
What
are
some
of
those
jobs
and
how
much
are
they
being
paid?
Does
that
go
to
fines
or
what
is
just
speak
more
about
that
process?
Please.
M
Most
class
D
programs
at
least
do
a
road
crew
cleanup
crew
system.
M
So
mainly
they
do
trash
pickup
on
the
roadsides
and
weed
eating
or
mowing
on
the
roadsides.
And
then
we
keep
up
three
different
Community
ballparks
that
are
owned
by
either
the
community
or
the
city
or
the
county.
M
We
we
help,
keep
up
local
or
local
County
Fairgrounds,
and
then
we
do
projects
throughout
the
year.
I've
got
one
of
those
eight
Crews
that
focuses
a
lot
on
building
projects.
So
we'll
do
like
we
built
a
concession
stand
for
one
of
the
ballparks.
We
actually
built
one
of
the
ballparks
with
the
help
of
the
city.
M
They
supplied
all
the
materials
and
and
my
guys
did
all
the
labor
and-
and
we
had
a
local
contractor-
that
donated
his
time
and
equipment
to
level
the
fields
and
and
all
that
stuff
we've
done
work
in
just
about
every
building
that
the
county
owns
as
far
as
painting
and
and
doing
prettin.
It
up,
if
you,
if
you
say
that
our
Sheriff's
Department
just
remodeled
the
building
for
to
to
house
his
office
in
and
and
we
assisted
heavily
with
that
we're
building
a
building
at
our
jail
right.
M
Now
that
we're
going
to
use
utilize
for
training
and
and
we're
doing
most
of
that
ourselves,
we
do
and
almost
all
the
jails
do
as
well.
They
they
use
those
working
inmates
to
assist
in
the
maintenance
of
their
building,
such
as
painting
or
maybe
even
some
of
the
mechanical
stuff,
but
they're
utilized
across
the
county
and
we've
even
shared
with
the
county
below
us.
Evanston
County
doesn't
have
a
jail
and
we're
not
currently
housing
their
inmates.
M
L
L
You
know,
that's,
that's
the
state
yeah,
so
anytime,
an
inmate
will
work
on
the
any
kind
of
cruise,
whether
it
be
in
the
kitchen,
whether
it
be
on
the
side
of
the
road
picking
up
trash,
whether
it
be
doing
any
of
these
programs,
whether
it
be
a
companion
watch,
just
talk
to
somebody
that
is
new
to
jail
and
they
have
somebody
sit
outside
they're
selling.
To
talk
to
them.
L
They
get
work
credit,
so
they
get
time
off
their
sentence,
for
you
know
how
many,
how
many
hours
they
put
in
a
week.
So
throughout
the
month
they
calculate
all
that
time
they
get
a
day
or
two
off
their
sentence,
and
it
comes
off
like
that.
Now
our
work
programs,
they
actually
go
out
and
pick
up
trash.
We
mow
cemeteries.
We
do
a
little
bit
of
everything.
L
Those
Crews
the
guys
literally
will
work
real
hard
to
get
on
those
crews.
That's
pretty
much
your
honor
crew
because
they
know
if
they
go
out
and
pick
up
a
bunch
of
trash
or
clean
up
real.
Well,
do
a
bunch
of
different
stuff.
I'm
gonna
pay
for
them
a
steak
dinner
out
of
my
pocket.
You
know
because
I
think
they
you
know,
need
the
recognition.
L
The
men
are
those
Crews
they're
men
they're,
not
just
in
lace,
they're
men
and
they
get
out
there
and
they
show
a
lot
of
community
involvement
when
they
do
that
to
where
they
even
get
plaques
from
the
different
fire
departments
and
the
different
and
even
fist
court
that
you
know
did
a
proclamation
for
them.
They
did
work
on
some
cemeteries
that
have
been.
L
You
know
neglected
over
the
years,
so
they
went
there
and
hit.
We
all
went
on
there
and
helped
clean
it
all
up,
but
those
those
Crews
worked
really
really
well,
and
if
you
notice,
of
course,
you
know,
Jefferson
County
is
a
different
entity
because
they
have
a
lot
of
prisoners
there.
Most
of
them
are,
you
know,
County
prisoners.
L
When
you
cross
the
line,
you
see
the
guys
up
there,
they
get
out
their
work.
You
know
and
I
know
in
Jefferson
County,
it's
a
lot
more
time
around
Derby
time.
You
see
people
out
there
hustling
up
picking
up
trash
out
there
and
everything
stuff,
but
it's
it's
different,
because
when
you
drive
to
the
county
a
lot
of
the
inmates
they
get
out,
they
say
Hey.
You
know,
I
worked
on
that
building.
I
did
this
and
we'll
even
tell
them,
you
know.
L
Whenever
they
get
out,
we
give
them
job
references
for
the
jobs
they
do
without
repainting,
whether
it
be
concrete
work,
whether
it
be
anything
you
know,
we've
helped
get
them
jobs
after
they
got
out
and
they
really
appreciate
that
and
I've
I
get
a
call,
probably
once
or
twice
before.
You
all
do
too
about
a
job
reference.
L
Representative
Heron's
question
that
she
had
earlier
for
Keiko.
Yes,
that's,
okay,
your
question
was
about
the
number
of
deaths
that
were
in
Jefferson
County
I
can't
speak
for
Jefferson
cab.
I
know
the
director
there's
working
real
hard
to
do.
He's
he's.
Turning
around
a
lot
up.
There,
I've
been
in
that
episode
a
couple
times.
The
last
couple
months
he's
done
a
really
good
job
working
on
getting
that
back
to
where
it
is.
L
We
talk
about
this
on
on
a
daily
basis,
with
the
different
jailers
about
you
know,
different
issues.
I
could
get
the
exact
amount
of
deaths
that
were
in
County
facilities,
but
I
will
tell
you
most
of
them
occur
within
the
first
24
to
48
hours
and
I'd
say
about
95
of
them.
Are
all
drug
related
fentanyl
has
been
a
big
thing
right
now
that
is
really
taking
over
families.
It's
taken
over
individual
people's
Lifestyles.
It's
it's!
It's
a
very
horrible
horrible
thing.
L
That's
been
Unleashed
in
the
population
and,
of
course,
our
population,
which
you
know,
but
I,
will
tell
you
the
you
know,
body
scanners,
that
we
use
that
are
purchased
through
commissary
it'll
scan
the
whole
body
to
see.
If
somebody
actually
has
drugs
inside
them
or
on
their
person.
That's
been
a
good
tool.
We've
used
to
help.
You
know
make
sure
that
person's
safer,
different
procedures
that
we've
done
to
make
sure
that
people
in
their
first
couple
hours
are
talked
to
by
mental
health
clinician
we
have
24-hour
medical
at
our
facility.
L
Some
are
only
eight,
but
you
know
we
also
have
Telehealth
and
I
go
through
a
checklist,
a
suicide
checklist.
You
know
talking
about
the
whole
classification
system
about
you
know.
How
often
do
you
do
drugs
when's?
The
last
time
you
use
drugs,
how
you
know
frequency,
that's
really
helped
out
a
lot
and,
of
course,
also
with
companion,
watches
people
that
are
brand
new
to
jail.
It's
a
very
stressful
time
for
them.
So
you'll
have
an
inmate
kind
of
just
sit
by
the
door
and
talk
to
them.
L
You
know
if
they
have
a
question
about
jail,
they
can
answer
it.
You
know
we
could
start
answer
the
question
as
well
stuff,
but
it
might
be
better
coming
from
another
person
that
doesn't
have
anything
involved
in
the
game
right.
So
all
the
jails
have
all
worked
real
hard
to
make
sure
you
know
we
don't
want
anybody
down
in
jail
and
be
honest
with
you.
We
don't
want
anybody
in
jail,
but
that's
one
of
the
things
we've
worked
real
hard
to
get.
L
Every
one
of
these
gels
are
going
different
things
to
to
do
just
go
the
extra
mile
and
that's
stuff:
that's
not
cost
the
general
fund
money
stuff,
that's
coming
out
of
our
commissary
fund
as
a
benefit
to
the
inmates.
So
I,
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question
a
bit
more
stuff,
yeah,
there's
Great
Links!
That
everybody's
going
to
to
make
sure
because
we
don't
we
don't
want
to
see
anybody
pass
away
in
a
jail.
H
If
you
can
help
us
get
some
information
I'm
interested,
if
you
can
get
to
the
committee
Trends
over
the
last
say,
10
years,
trends
of
population
growth
and
increase
and
decrease
County
Regional,
just
like
we
do
the
do
the
census
every
so
often,
and
we
look
for
Trends
and
other
things.
I
think
it
might
be
informative
from
a
state
policy
perspective
to
see
where
there's
an
increase
in
population
generically
or
decrease,
as
well
as
types
of
population,
whether
it's
County,
whether
it's
state
where
the
utilization
is
being
made.
This
question
makes
sense
sure.
H
H
Looking
for
an
aggregate
in
the
way
that
I'm
looking
over
a
10-year
Trend
and
we
can
contact
doc,
we
can
contact
other
people
and
try
to
get
it.
And
you
know
what
I'm
saying
when
I
say
that
so.
H
Out
with
that
would
be
great,
which
is
going
to
take
me
to
my
next
question.
If
I
may
I,
don't
want
a
rabbit
hole
on
this
too
much
but
controlled
intake.
As
we
all
know,
there's
you've
been
sentenced
in
that
population
and
you've
got
something
prior
to
that,
whether
it's
a
hold,
whether
it's
a
pre-trial,
whether
whatever
it
is
and
that's
a
defining
characteristic
and
from
from
standpoint
of
a
local
jail
facility
and
physical
budgets
at
the
county
level,
controlled
intake
is
particularly
important.
L
Takes
place
yes,
so
so
some
of
the
CI
they
get
final
sentence
and
they
start
we
get.
They
go
on
a
state
dime
when
it
comes
to
that
pretty
M.
But
if
somebody
sits
for
130
days
and
then
I
get
in
the
program
they
they're
supposed
to
have
that
they're,
you
know,
got,
they
have
rights,
sure
and
their
their
rights
are
getting
violated
and,
like
I
said
earlier,
like
Jim
said
that
you
know
it's,
it's
not
a
control
of
ours,
it's
you
know,
but
yeah.
You.
L
H
Correction
help
me
make
sure
I'm
understanding
correctly.
You
end
up
with
a
very
practical
problem
of
you
offer
the
program,
but
they've,
not
the
controlled
intake
has
not
taken
place
sure,
even
if
you
were
to
find
some
way
to
start
offering
the
program
to
them,
they
could
be
yanked
in
a
moment's
notice
and
get
really
no
credit
for
what
they've
done,
because
they're
going
somewhere
else
to
do
the
program
fair
enough,
so
there's
no
sense
in
starting
it
early.
H
So
what
can
we
do
to
help
from
a
policy
making
and
funding
perspectives?
What
can
we
do
to
help
and
I've
even
laid
it
out
there?
The
hook
that
almost
anybody
will
take
is:
do
you
need
more
money
for
personnel
that
hook
wasn't
taken
either,
so
I
am
completely
without
anything
to
say.
This
is
where
we
can
put
a
little
pressure
plastic,
a
carrot
or
whatever,
and
try
to
get
control.
H
Yeah
controlled
intake
a
little
bit
better
and
I'm,
pushing
out
there
I'm,
giving
everybody
a
little
heads
up
about
where
I'm
gonna
what
I'm
gonna
be
asking
about.
So
if
you
could
make
a
make
a
pitch
in
writing
me,
this
committee
whomever
try
to
get
that
back
to
us
on
this
pitch.
H
F
J
Just
as
far
as
trending,
if
Trend
information
that
Senator
westerfield's
worked
on
this
for
a
while
and
with
the
the
Pew
has
a
lot
of
information
for
Trends
on
West
but
National
as
well
as
ncsl
I,
serve
on
the
law
and
Justice
committee.
So
some
of
that
information
is
is
pretty
available
and
I
think
the
Pew
Center
has
has
quite
a
bit
of
it
and
and
I
I
just
say
my
boy,
Kenny
Jailer
we're
texting
bill
and
I
now.
J
So
he
is
sorry
he
can't
be
here
today,
but
what
a
turnaround
and
I
appreciate
the
association
and
all
the
work
that
you
all
did
in
getting
Boyd
County
to
be
what's
now
a
model.
So
thank
you.
A
All
right
and
then
I'll
just
got
a
couple
questions
myself,
just
real
quick,
so
the
general
assembly
did
pass
some
incentives
for
programming
through
the
local
level.
Do
are
any
of
those
mental
health
related.
K
L
Well,
to
get
some
of
the
Central
State
Hospital
it's
about
a
year
waiting
list,
okay,
the
different
agencies.
Of
course,
you
know
in
Hardin,
County
we're
we're.
We
have
communicare,
we
have
different
agencies
there
and
stuff,
but
but
it's
pretty
rough
trying
to
get
somebody
to
either
Central
State
or
to
no
I'm
talking
about
in
my
area,
kcpc.
So,
okay,.
A
And
then,
lastly,
I'll
just
end
with
the
statement,
I
really
appreciate
you
all
coming
up
and
speaking
with
you
all
kind
of
before
the
the
meeting.
Some
of
the
programs
that
you
all
are
offering
are
incredible.
A
I
think
it's
really
important
that
this
task
force
and
this
General
Assembly
Works
to
standardize
some
of
what
you're
doing
across
the
state,
because
in
the
same
vein,
you
know
that
Senator
Webb
was
talking
about
the
facility
you're
serving
in
is
impacting
your
opportunities
and
outcomes,
and
so
it's
important
that
we
we
standardize
that
across
the
state
as
much
as
possible
and,
having
said
that,
and
with
no
other
nothing
else
on
the
agenda,
we
will
stand
adjourned.