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From YouTube: Benefits Cliff Task Force (9-22-22) - Incomplete Version
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A
21
DCC
began
using
karsa
funds
to
pay
the
parent
copay
amounts.
This
costs
the
state
approximately
1.5
million
in
federal
funding
per
month
and
has
increased
eligibility
and
program.
Participation
has
also
increased
co-payments
for
families
have
lots
of
variables
which
include
household
income,
household
size,
the
type
of
Provider
the
family
chooses
the
location,
whether
it's
rural
or
Urban,
the
age
of
the
child
and
the
number
of
children
in
the
home.
A
There
are
many
Child
Care
programs
across
the
state
that
give
tuition
discounts
to
siblings,
the
more
kids
you
have
attending
the
bigger
the
discount,
but
that's
a
small
business
decision
and
that's
not
something
the
cabinet
requires
or
that
we
track
so
goes
without
saying
that
the
cost
of
child
care
is
expensive
and
it's
not
that
the
child
care
business
is
making
big
profits.
Many
are
hardly
making
a
profit
at
all
and
have
really
struggled
for
a
long
time.
Even
before
the
pandemic,
the
child
care
providers
operated
on
a
razor
thin
margin.
A
I
mentioned
the
new
transitional
exit
period
from
the
program
that
we
began
in
March,
again,
funded
by
federal
dollars,
specific
to
child
care
through
June
37
families
or
56.
Children
were
deemed
to
have
incomes
too
high
to
participate
in
the
program,
but
were
provided
with
50
assistance
for
three
months
while
they
got
used
to
paying
for
child
care
costs.
In
July,
we
added
another
34
families,
which
was
55
children.
So
in
two
months
time
we
have
added
71
families
and
111
children
that
wouldn't
have
benefited
from
this.
A
Before
and
again,
given
those
numbers,
most
families
have
more
than
one
children
that
they're
paying
child
care.
For
so
again,
that's
a
fifteen
hundred
dollar
bill
that
they
have
to
absorb
on
their
own
overnight,
essentially
effective
September
1st.
We
have
extended
that
transitional
period
from
three
months
to
six
months
again
using
Federal
Opera
funds,
because
we
recognize
this
is
a
huge
adjustment
for
working
families
and
a
huge
hit
to
their
budgets.
B
So
as
we
continue
the
discussion
of
Public
Assistance
programs
and
benefit
Cliffs,
let's
take
a
look
at
snap.
The
supplemental
nutrition
assistance
program,
formerly
known
as
food
stamps.
You
heard
Andrea
speak
about
the
fluidity
of
c-cap
and
how
things
change
day
to
day.
We
see
that
in
other
programs,
including
snap
as
well,
there's
an
assumption
that
people
who
receive
snap
stay
on
it
for
years,
but
that
isn't
what
the
data
shows
us.
Nationally.
B
According
to
USDA
data
from
2018
of
households
receiving
snap,
a
third
had
at
least
one
member
age
60
and
up
about
half
contained
a
child
under
the
age
of
18
over
half
contained
at
least
one
disabled.
Individual
about
have
had
one
wage
earner
in
the
last
12
months
and
a
quarter
had
two
wage
earners
in
the
prior
12
months,
indicating
something
had
happened
to
decrease
their
income
and
during
that
period
we
all
can
recognize
that
economic
conditions
influence
snap
participation
as
we
as
an
example.
B
Three
years
later,
participation
was
down
to
just
over
670
000
individuals
or
a
reduction
of
25,
and
currently
currently,
participation
in
snap
in
Kentucky
is
about
547
individuals
or
about
250
000
households,
and
here
is
a
visual
demonstrating.
What
we
just
discussed,
the
Orange
Line
you
see,
is
the
individuals
number
of
individuals
received
evening
snap
in
the
blue
in
the
blue
line.
It
depicts
the
number
of
households
receiving
snap,
and
this
data
is
for
federal
fiscal
years
2008
through
2016..
B
You
see
the
peak
of
the
recession
at
two
in
at
2013,
at
which
time
there
was
again
880,
000
individuals
that
were
receiving
snap
and
and
the
decline
of
snap
participants
each
subsequent
year
of
the
recovery
block,
the
res
The
Rock,
like
the
recession
of
2009,
we've
seen
similar
Trends
with
the
recent
pandemic.
We
would
note
here
that
both
during
the
recession
in
covid
we've
seen
related
snap
participation
reduction
occur
with
no
mandatory
work
requirements
and
individuals
went
back
to
work
when
jobs
became
available.
B
B
The
data
shows
us
that,
as
employment
opportunities
increase,
snap
utilization
decreases,
you
have
you,
have
a
percentage
of
recipients
who
are
staying
on
the
program
and
most
of
those,
as
we
indicated
a
minute
ago,
are
working
poor.
But
for
the
most
part,
people
are
utilizing
this
assistance
in
times
of
greatest
need,
which
is
what
these
safety
net
programs
were
created
for
and
indicates
that
the
programs
are
working
as
intended.
Snap,
child
care,
assistance
and
Medicaid
are
the
first
benefit.
B
Cliffs
experience
for
individuals
and
families,
making
their
way
out
of
poverty
and
you'll
see
this
in
a
simulator
example.
Later
in
the
presentation
again,
74
of
snap
recipients
have
recently
worked,
are
working
or
started
working
soon
after
receiving
benefits
and
approximately
20
percent
nationally
and
in
Kentucky
are
not
working.
The
recent
cited
for
not
working
include
caretaking
responsibilities.
We
already
discussed
the
high
cost
of
child
care
and
how
that
impacts,
individuals,
choices
around
work.
B
What
we
didn't
mention
is
about
the
fact
that
50
percent
of
our
state
is
in
a
child
care
desert,
which
means
there
is
an
insufficient
number
of
child
care
providers
or
slots
for
the
children
in
the
in
that
community.
In
addition,
some
individuals
have
responsibilities.
Caring
for
elderly
parents,
health
conditions,
low
educational
attainment
and
homelessness
were
also
identified
as
barriers
to
work.
To
address
these
and
other
concerns.
We
are
fortunate
to
have
Community
Partners,
doing
a
great
job
to
help
address
barriers
to
work.
C
We
were
also
requested
to
present
on
a
benefits,
cliff
calculator,
House
Bill
7
from
this
past
session,
required
the
cabinet
to
develop
a
proposal
to
make
a
benefits:
cliff
calculator,
an
online
jobs,
posting
database
accessible
to
the
general
public
and
to
public
assistance
recipients.
This
proposal
was
submitted
to
the
lrc
at
the
beginning
of
this
month.
If
you
would
like
to
read
about
it
in
more
detail,
I
noticed
that
it
has
been
loaded
into
the
meeting
materials
on
the
lrc
webpage
for
this
task
force
as
well.
C
The
Kentucky
Center
for
statistics,
Kentucky
stats
presented
to
this
task
force
in
July
on
their
family
resource
simulator,
which
is
a
tool
already
accessible
to
families,
employees
and
employers.
The
purpose
of
the
Family
Resource
simulator
is
to
assist
individuals
in
understanding
the
potential
impact
of
changes
in
income
or
an
employment
to
the
public
assistance
benefits
the
individual
or
family
may
be
receiving,
rather
than
invest
additional
time
and
money
creating
an
all-new
calculator.
C
I've
included
a
link.
If
you
would
like
to
check
out
this
family
resource
simulator
yourself,
if
you
didn't
already
do
so
in
this
interim,
this
tool
is
already
being
used
by
Workforce
Partners
such
as
Kentucky
Career,
Centers,
Bluegrass
area
development,
District
at
Metro,
United,
Way,
Community,
Action
agencies,
Goodwill,
Goodwill,
Industries,
and
more
public
assistance
case
managers
also
use
the
simulator
to
assist
individuals
who
are
looking
for
work
or
who
need
assistance
determining
how
a
new
job
or
promotion
may
impact
access
to
needed
services.
C
Additionally,
human
resource
professionals
and
employers
also
use
this
tool
to
Target
salaries
that
may
smooth
over
those
benefits
Cliffs.
So
they
know
what
salary
their
employee
may
need
to
reach
to
kind
of
offset.
The
benefits
benefits
that
they
may
lose
in
its
first
month
since
launching
in
July
the
tool
was
utilized
over
1100
times.
The
proposal
we
submitted
uses
the
scenario
that
I've
included
here
in
this
graphic,
where
the
family
will
experience
four
benefits
Cliffs
as
their
income
increases.
In
this
scenario,
the
family
loses
snap
again.
C
Assistance
in
purchasing
food
with
just
a
two
dollar
per
hour
raise
in
July
Kentucky
stats,
took
you
through
a
simulation
that
identified
benefits.
Cliffs
a
family
would
experience
as
their
household
income
increase.
They
produced
six
scenarios
representing
250
000,
Kentucky
families,
with
varying
components
to
the
family,
depending
on
how
many
parents
were
working,
how
many
children
they
had
and
compared
benefits,
Cliffs
that
they
would
experience
and
72
percent
of
their
scenarios.
C
So
ongoing
work.
This
is
a
great
program,
it's
already
easy
to
use
and
very
informative.
However,
the
cabinet
has
identified
some
changes
that
we
are
working
with:
KY
stats
to
help
benefit
Public
Assistance
recipients,
as
they
use
the
simulator
and
our
case
managers
as
they
use
it
as
well
so
phase
one
of
the
ongoing
work.
We
estimate
to
be
no
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
about
nine
months
worth
of
work.
C
Kentucky
stats
has
been
working
with
us
and
other
organizations
such
as
Goodwill
and
United
Way,
to
obtain
feedback
on
the
interface
of
the
program
by
July
of
2023.
Ky
stats
will
upgrade
the
results
page
of
the
Family
Resource
simulator
to
be
more
user
friendly.
These
changes
include
providing
a
profile
of
the
family's
income
and
expenses
bullet
points
that
explain
in
sentence
format
at
what
income
levels
benefit
Cliffs
may
be
reached
and
the
benefits
that
will
be
impacted
at
each
of
those
points.
C
The
education
and
labor
cabinet,
through
which
the
simulator
is
made
available,
also
currently
uses
Focus,
suite
and
automatic
job
match.
Engine
containing
a
set
of
online
tools
for
career,
Seekers
and
employers.
Career
Seekers
can
create
a
professional
resume
search,
apply
for
employment
and
explore
in-demand
career
paths
and
educational
opportunities.
C
D
E
E
E
C
E
A
E
A
D
B
Well,
I
think
like
Andrea
shared,
we're
will
be
producing
more
information
and
looking
at
what
that
looks,
like
I
know,
we'll
be
bringing
that
back
back
to
the
general
assembly.
We're
also
hopeful
that
there
will
be
some
recognition
on
the
federal
level
for
additional
support
for
CCAP,
because
this
is
not
unique
to
Kentucky.
This
is
this
is
nationally
being
experienced
by
every
state.
So
again
we
are
collecting
information.
We
will
be
sharing
that
with
with
you
all
and
then
as
well
we're
hopeful
for
additional
Federal
support
as
well.
We.
C
D
So
that
would
be
one
step
in,
in
my
opinion,
of
kind
of
getting
individuals
off
of
of
assistance
and
and
helping
with
that
Clift
I
guess
my
question
with
that,
and
that
lead-in
is,
is
how
long
it
looked
like.
Maybe
three
months
that's
been
going
on
at
the
most
four
months.
Have
you
collected
any
data?
Have
you
seen
any
results
from
that?
You
know
other
than
what
was
presented
today,
I
mean.
Is
there
anything
as
far
as
individuals
who
took
the
50
percent?
Did
it?
Did
it
help
them
move
off?
D
A
D
A
I
think
with
child
care,
we
could
do
it.
I
know
the
the
federal
government
does
encourage
us
to
have
a
graduated
phase
out
plan
to
specifically
Target
the
benefits
Cliff,
that's
not
something
that
we
had
done
a
great
job
of
prior
to
the
pandemic,
but
it's
definitely
something
that
we
have
requested
additional
information
on,
so
that
moving
forward
that
we
can
have
those
plans
in
place
for
when
this
arpa
money
isn't
there
to
where
that
tiered
system
is
there
with
the
funds
that
we
typically
get
with
ccdf
dollars.
Okay,.
D
Okay,
there
and
another
thing
that
was
mentioned
that
I've
overheard
some
is:
is
there
a
do?
You
guys
have
a
report
or
you
know
any
basic
health
plan
or
anything
like
that?
That's
that's
being
talked
about
or
or
maybe
to
help
Bridge.
Some
of
that
you
know
benefits
Clift
issue,
that's
that
that
is
going
on.
B
D
D
E
There's
a
state
out
there
right
now,
I
can't
I
probably
was
going
to
see
it,
maybe
some
other,
but
there's
some
model
out.
There
already
is
my
understanding.
You
may
want
to
look
around
for
that
a
discussion
a
couple
weeks
ago
with
someone
else
and
it
was
sort
of
a
sidebar
but
I
think
there's
a
model
or
two
out
there
that
you
might
want
to
look
at.
D
D
F
F
Our
mission
is
to
lift
up
the
voices
of
kentuckians
and
the
decisions
that
affect
their
health
and
their
well-being
and
so
hearing
from
people
who
have
that
personal
experience,
I
think
is
really
critical.
We
also
as
policy
Advocates.
We
work
on
addressing
the
underlying
the
root
causes
of
poor
health,
and
we
do
that
as
I
said
through
policy.
But
you
know
what
we've
recognized
over
the
years
is
that,
while
Access
to
Health
Care
is
kind
of
the
area
that
we
work
most
in,
you
can't
be
healthy.
F
You
know,
with
the
cost
of
having
to
cover
the
benefits
that
they
lose,
but
we
also
see
two
other
pretty
distinct
benefit
Cliffs,
that
people
can
experience
regularly
when
they
are
actually
still
eligible
for
benefits.
The
first
is,
you
know:
accessing
benefits,
When
You're
income
eligible
and
trying
to
just
actually
enroll
in
that
benefit.
There's
a
lot
of
paperwork.
There
is
a
lot
of
verification
that
goes
on
and
some
of
it
is
verification.
F
That's
essentially
out
of
your
hands
having
to
get
an
employer
or
a
landlord
to
write
a
letter
and
do
it
in
a
certain
time
frame,
sometimes
10
days
short
deadlines,
processing,
delays,
all
sorts
of
things
that
keep
someone
from
being
able
to
access
the
benefit.
We
consider
that
scaling
the
cliff
and
some
people
aren't
able
to
scale
it
now.
Let's
say-
and
we
know,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
kentuckians
are
able
to
access
benefits
and
they
are
able
to.
F
You
know,
use
those
benefits
to
to
take
care
of
themselves
and
to
really
support
them
in
their
jobs,
but
it
can
be
hard
to
keep
those
benefits
so
people
face,
you
know
during
recertification
periods,
people
face
all
sorts
of
barriers
to
keeping
the
benefit
if
essentially
the
same
ones
I
mentioned
for
the
first
Cliff.
But
then
you
have
fluctuating
income
and
having
to
report
that
on
a
regular
basis,
you
know
having
different
income
from
one
month
to
another.
F
When
you
know
it's
just
temporary
change
over
the
year,
you
would
still
be
eligible,
but
sometimes
you
end
up.
You
know
having
having
a
gap
in
that
benefit
and
people
don't
always
come
back
on
and
then
moving
jobs
and
missing
notices.
These
are
things
that
happen
to
people
frequently
and
it's
really
destabilizing
when
you're
in
that
sort
of
low-income
position
to
suddenly
lose
your
child
care
or
your
food
assistance,
your
health
care
and
again
keep
in
mind.
F
We
all
want
to
improve
this
situation
for
people
and
support
them
in
working
and,
while
I
think
that
self-sufficiency
is
certainly
the
ultimate
goal
that
I've
heard
from
task
force
members,
it's
you
know
a
goal
that
I
think
all
of
us
have
for
ourselves
and
for
our
fellow
kentuckians
I
do
really
want
to
put
that
in
the
context
of
the
reality
that
workers
are
facing
and,
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
this
slide.
This
is
something
you've
seen
before
from
KY
stats.
F
So
we're
not
talking
about
a
small
number
of
people
and
I.
Just
think
that
we
need
to
keep
that
in
context.
I
mentioned
earlier
that
people
can
be
eligible
for
a
program
and
not
enrolled
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
A
survey
from
the
University
of
Michigan
that
followed
families
over
a
six-year
period
found
that
most
gained
and
lost
eligibility
during
that
period
and
eligibility
for
SNAP.
Specifically
during
that
time,
sometimes
they
lost
it
more
than
once
and
just
for
context.
F
You
know
I
think
that
the
previous
presenters
mentioned
the
eligibility
limit
for
SNAP,
but
it's
130
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level
Which
is
far
below
that
self-sustainability
and,
what's
concerning
about
this,
is
that
fluctuating
income
fluctuating
above
and
below
that
poverty
level,
or
that
130
percent
eligibility
threshold
resulted
in
fewer
families
using
the
benefits
even
when
they
were
eligible.
So
just
that
fluctuation
and
the
going
on
and
off
of
a
program
meant
fewer
people
were
using
the
benefit,
and
that
indicates
that
people
are
probably
facing
administrative
barriers
to
work
supports.
F
Medicaid
k-chip
that
sort
of
thing
so
I
mentioned
earlier
that
people
can
be
eligible
for
these
programs,
and
this
is
the
other.
This
is
the
other
data
that
goes
with
that
study.
Where
you
know,
when
you
look
at
the
fluctuations
across
lines,
the
more
fluctuations
you
have,
the
less
likely
you
are
to
use
a
program
when
you
are
eligible
and
I
just
think
that
that
really
indicates
to
us
that
we
have
too
many
barriers
in
place
for
families,
and
you
know
we.
F
We
can't
not
talk
about
child
care,
but
I
know
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
presenters
already
talk
about
child
care
to
this
task
force,
and
you
know
I-
do
want
to
note
that
the
lack
of
available
child
care
you
know
is
is
not
just
an
issue
for
individual
families.
Some
you
know
this
is
something
that
looming
benefit
Cliff
that
we're
talking
about
which
is
kind
of
a
whole
nother.
F
You
know
a
whole
nother
type
of
benefit
Cliff
with
the
federal
funding
that
is,
you
know
slated
to
go
away
in
about
a
year,
that's
going
to
affect
every
family
in
Kentucky,
whether
you
know
you're,
you
know
personally
benefiting
from
Child
Care
Assistance
or
not.
Your
child
care
provider
is
going
to
be
affected
by
that
and
the
fact
that
we
have
been
able
to
slow
this
decline.
So
what
you
see
here
on
this
slide
is:
is
that
decline
in
in
child
care
providers
just
being
available
in
Kentucky?
How
many
we
have
operating?
F
And
so
we've
been
on
the
steady
decline
for
10
years
now,
but
you
know
the
American
Rescue
plan
act.
Federal
funds
have
really
helped
to
kind
of
stop.
The
bleeding
there
and
stabilize
that
for
now,
but
there's
just
nothing,
that's
going
to
stop
stop
it.
If
we
aren't
able
to
kind
of
backfill
that
and
continue
to
support
these
programs-
and
you
know
what
we've
seen
with
increases
in
eligibility
thresholds,
which
is
fantastic,
I
mean
if
you
think
about
the
number
of
families
that
are
at
or
below
85
percent
of
the
state
median
income.
F
Hundreds
of
thousands
of
families
should
be
receiving
child
care
assistance
right
now,
they're
eligible
for
it,
but
we
just
simply
don't
have
that
number
of
people
families
enrolled
in
the
program.
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
families
out
there
not
receiving
the
help
that
they
need
and
that
they're
eligible
for
and
I
think
that's
only
going
to
get
worse.
But
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
related
to
that
Federal
funding.
It's
done
a
good
job
of
stabilizing.
F
You
know
the
centers
that
that
we
have
now,
but
not
in
starting
new
centers,
not
in
really
getting
that
additional
capacity
that
we
need,
and
so
I'm
going
to
pause
here
and
ask
Jessica
to
share
her
story
with
you,
because
everything
that
I've
shared
I
think
is
really
just
the
data.
That
kind
of
would
reinforce
the
story
like
Jessica's,
where
she's
experienced
some
of
these
barriers
herself.
F
F
G
Gonna
be
brief,
so
I
just
want
to
take
my
my
situation
of
getting
assistance.
First
I
would
say
that
child
care
was
a
very
big
thing
for
me,
because
I
have
two
daughters,
one
is
18.
One
is
eight
and
majority
of
my
daughter
18,
like
10
years.
We
struggle
because
if
I
made
too
much
money,
can
you
hear
me?
G
Okay,
sorry,
if
I
made
too
much
money
that
I
would
get
cut
off,
so
I
couldn't
get
assistance,
because
if
I
made
too
much
money,
so
you
just
like
it
was
just
a
hard
time
getting
child
care
assistance.
You
had
to
make
a
certain
amount
of
money
and
you
know
so
I
couldn't
get
it
and
it
would
take
majority
of
your
money
out
your
check,
so
I
would
say.
G
Child
Care
is
a
big
thing
for
me
of
just
even
if
you're
over
the
the
slot
just
having
that
a
little
assistance
with
child
care,
because
it
would
be
majority
of
your
check
and
you
still
had
bills.
You
got
mortgage,
so
I
would
say.
Child
Care
is
a
big
thing
for
me
and
then
also
like
even
the
ladies
were
for
us
when
they
talk
I,
don't
really
know
anything
about
that
advertising
of
the
help.
It's
not
really
a
lot
of
people
know
about
that.
G
G
It
would
take
a
whole
day
just
to
get
all
the
papers
you
needed
for
it.
The
the
system
scenes
is
very,
is
I,
don't
know
just
very
confusing
and
just
a
lot
you
had
to
do
for
the
paperwork,
but
I
would
say
just
Child
Care
was
just
really
hard.
That
was
a
big
thing
for
me
in
medical
and
then
also
I
just
wanted
to
talk
on
just
if
you,
if
the
people
don't
have
the
education,
so
okay
get
assistance
and
they
have
the
education
to
go
back
to
school
or
budgeting.
G
Then
it's
going
to
be
continuous
cycle.
So
I
think
that
was
the
big
for
me
like.
If
you
don't
have
education
or
budgeting,
then
people
are
going
to
continue
to
get
on
assistance
so
just
having
that
resources,
because
I
went
to
school
like
three
times
and
I
dropped
out,
because
I
have
assistance
with
child
care
and
stuff
like
that,
so
just
outside
looking
in
just
being
in
it
I
would
say
just
the
cost
of
living
come
going
up
and
just
budgeting
and
financial
literacy
and
budgeting.
So
that's
that's.
G
I
own
my
house,
and
they
would
ask
me
for
my
lease
and
then
when
I
give
them.
At
least
they
said
it's
not
enough
my
mortgage
and
then
they
would
say.
That's
not
enough,
like
you
need
another
document
to
say
that
you
actually
own
it,
but
my
name
on
there
and
everything.
So
it
was
just
like
really
like,
like
it
just
made
it
harder
to
get
assistance.
G
And
then
you
just
like
you
struggle,
because
it
was
just
so
hard
and
you
just
didn't,
go
through
it
or
you
have
to
take
off
work,
and
so
I
would
say
that
it
was
just
really
hard
and
me
and
my
family
struggle
a
while.
But
now
I
have
a
better
job
and
I'm
salary
position.
But
we
struggle
a
long
time
and
I
still
need
like
child
care
assistance,
because
I
said
like,
as
far
as
needing
child
care,
I
have
an
eight-year-old
at
home
and
when
you
get
your
check,
that's
the
majority
of
your
money.
G
G
The
beginning,
no
now
I
have
a
better
paying
job,
so
I
work
for
a
non-profit
now,
but
before
it
was
just
really
hard
to
finish
school,
it
was
just
really
hard
to
want
to
do
better
for
yourself
and,
like
I,
said
the
ladies
before
they
they
had
said
something
about
the
jobs
and
the
opportunities,
but
nobody
really
know
about
it.
So
I
think
they
need
to
do
a
better
thing
of
like
advertising
that
helped
us
out
there.
G
So
the
people
can
be
on
the
benefits
and
then
get
off,
because
I
never
wanted
to
be
on
it,
because
it
was
just
a
pain,
just
the
paperwork
and
all
that
I
wanted
to
do
better,
but
it
just
seemed
like
it
wasn't:
no
other
option.
So
you
just
kind
of
took
a
lower
payer
job,
but
now
I
have
a
better
paying
job
and
I
get
the
Medicaid,
but
it
was
just
really
hard.
So.
D
Did
you
know
not
to
not
to
continue
to
harp
on
a
tiered
system,
but
from
your
experience
and
having
firsthand,
do
you
feel
in
that
experience
that
having
having
tears
and
some
of
those
benefits
would
have
would
have
helped
you
or
maybe
even
you
know,
increased
the
timeline
of
what
you
would
have
used?
Those
benefits
to
get
you
to
a
you
know
the
point
you're
at
now,
yeah.
G
I
think
so
because
it
was
one
point
in
my
life
when
I
was
getting
the
benefits
and
then
it
was
like
you
made
too
much,
so
you
couldn't
get
child
care,
but
it
so.
You
took
a
lower
repair
job,
because
if
you,
if
you
took
just
a
little
more,
you
would
like
you
would
like
not
be
able
to
like
take
care
of
your
family.
H
And
chair
Dixon
I
can
respond
to
that
with
someone
just
from
this
week
who
just
got
offered
a
team
lead
position
at
Toyota,
which
was
a
two
dollars
an
hour
raise,
but
that
makes
her
ineligible
for
SNAP,
which
of
course,
I
know
you
all
have
heard
before
from
other
people
sitting
in
these
chairs.
That
two
dollars
per
hour
raise
does
not
replace
the
snap
support
that
takes
10
12
an
hour
to
replace
that
snap
support
so
that
person's
down
to
position
where
sure
that
job
pays
a
little
bit
more.
H
But
where
would
that
lead
and
would
she
be
able
to
become
the
floor,
lead
which
could
become
a
manager?
Well
you're
not
going
to
make
that
jump
one
at
a
time,
and
so
now
what
position
is
she
in?
Does
she
choose
to
not
have
enough
food
for
her
family
and
take
that
in
the
hopes
that
she
gets
another
promotion
down
the
road?
Or
does
she
not
take
that
promotion
to
make
sure
she
continued
feeding
her
family
right
now?.
F
F
So
Matt
Reynolds
from
habitat
in
Henderson,
has
seen
how
these
work
supports,
benefit
the
people
that
he
works
with
every
day
and
was
just
really
really
enthusiastic
and
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
all
were
hearing
from
him.
We
also
had
another
single
mom
who
wanted
to
join
us
and
share
her
story,
but
she
was
going
to
join,
be
a
zoom
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
is
available
today,
so
we'll
make
sure
to
get.
What
is
this?
Oh,
fantastic.
D
F
H
I
texted
Keisha
Curry,
who
we
were
anticipating
testifying
over
Zoom
after
I
sort
of
called
her
and
said:
hey
the
internet's
down
so
she's
on
standby
and
until
that
time
again,
I'm
Kara
Stewart,
with
Kentucky
voices
for
health
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
talk
to
you
just
a
little
bit
about
this
study
from
Cornell
University.
That's
currently
ongoing,
so
I'm
very
happy
that
Kentucky
snagged
this.
It
was
happening
in
North,
Carolina
and
a
couple
other
states,
and
we
were
able
to
snag
this.
H
So
we've
got
Dr
Jamila
mishner,
who
is
brilliant,
doing
interviews
with
kentuckians
who
are
receiving
benefits
and
our
workers.
So
that
way
we
know
that
on
both
sides
of
that
telephone
and
both
sides
of
the
coin
what's
going
on
and
what
we
have
learned
from
the
study
thus
far,
so
the
study's
not
over.
So
you
all
can
be
excited
and
wait
for
the
final
results,
but
we
are
giving
you
this
sneak
peek,
which
you
do
have
in
your
packet.
H
She's
already
talked
to
almost
150
beneficiaries
and
she
hired
kentuckians
to
do
the
interviews
with
the
beneficiaries
initially.
So
there
was
also
some
some
good
flexible
jobs.
So
we've
learned
a
lot,
though
we
have
learned
that
it
matters.
Of
course
it
matters
at
the
end,
the
one
the
cliff
we've
all
talked
about,
but
it
also
matters
on
the
way
in
between
and
people
simultaneously.
Oh,
you
may
have
heard
it
from
Jessica.
H
There
is
like
a
profound
gratitude
for
work,
supports
that
make
it
possible
to
work
and
there's
still
frustration
with
sort
of
how
difficult
it
is
to
maintain
those
work,
supports
and
I,
say.
Work
supports
for
our
public
benefits
programs,
because
the
majority
of
people
enrolled
are
working.
That
is
a
just.
A
repeated
I
want
to.
I
could
say
that
that
could
be
my
entire
presentation.
The
majority
of
the
people
are
working.
H
They
are
working
at
low-wage
jobs
that
don't
pay
enough
to
pay
bills,
which
of
course,
you
saw
in
Emily's
slide
earlier
and
I
know
you've
seen
from
Kentucky
stats
before
you
know,
we've
got
a
huge
number
of
the
majority
of
kentuckians,
aren't
making
enough
money
to
survive
and
we're
looking
for
kentuckians
to
thrive.
Of
course,
all
right,
I
haven't
heard
back
from
Keisha,
yet
so
I'll
keep
going.
H
These
are
quotes
that
I
would
love
for
you
to
take
the
time
to
to
spend
with
they're
kind
of
long
I'm,
not
really
not
going
to
read
them,
but
we
also
have
outside
of
this
study.
We
also
have
another
good
news
sort
of
opportunity
that
I
know
I've
spoke
to
some
of
you
about,
and
some
of
you
may
remember.
So
in
2014
we
were
a
part
of
a
federal
pilot.
Anybody
remember
the
paths
to
promise
so
past.
H
The
promise
was
in
Senator
Wheeler's
District,
so
it
was
in
counties
that
have
been
experienced
generational
poverty.
It
was
eight
counties
in
southeast
Kentucky
which
you
can
see
there.
It's
not
all
your
districts
under
wheeler
But.
It
includes
part
of
it
and
what
the
past
to
promise
did
was:
let's
try
adding
on
extra
wraparounds.
H
Let's
see
what
happens
if
we
say,
instead
of
just
enrolling
in
these
individual
programs,
if
you
enroll
in
one
we're
going
to
use
the
the
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
you're
in
more
programs
and
we're
going
to
add
a
case
manager
and
we're
going
to
add
Financial
counseling
and
we're
going
to
add
one
benefit
that
the
individuals
talked
about.
A
lot
was
mock
interviews
and
interview
clothes.
There
were
several
qualitative
results
that
came
out
of
the
past.
H
The
promise
pilot
that
referenced
interview,
clothes
and
mock
interviews,
so
people
are
like
hey
even
if
I
can
go,
get
a
job.
I
can't
go,
get
a
closer
to
a
white
collar
job
if
I
don't
have
clothes
to
wear
to
that
interview
and
what
a
barrier
that
could
be
in
this
program
included:
transportation
for
child
care
and
child
care
assistance
and
the
results.
So,
if
you
go
read,
this
is
a
video
which
now
that
we
have
the
internet
might
play.
H
F
H
Yeah
so
each
of
those
counties
this
happened
in
lots
of
States,
we
weren't
the
only
state.
It
happened,
also
in
Virginia
and
in
California
and
in
Vermont
and
some
other
states,
and
what
we
learned
is
that
so
36
months
was
the
minimum
to
see
a
statistically
significant
change
and
in
Eastern
Kentucky
36
months
wasn't
quite
enough
so,
but
we
still
saw
the
individuals
overwhelmingly
reported
positive
experiences
with
ability
to
maintain
employment
with
ability
to
increase
employment
with
these
extra
types
of
exported
activities.
H
Now
the
federal
government
their
kind
of
overall
was
this
was
sort
of
an
unworthy
investment,
despite
the
fact
that
it
was
an
excellent
investment
for
the
individuals.
So
the
individual
perspective
was
different
from
the
federal
government
perspective
because
the
feds
were
like.
We
don't
want
to
have
to
pay
this
much
to
get
people
to
self-sufficiency.
H
Is
that
a
little
thing
here
and
a
little
thing
little
thing
here:
Ain't
Enough,
you
got
to
have
a
whole
lot
of
pieces
when
someone
is
living
at
a
10,
an
hour
job
where
they're
not
they're,
working
they're,
getting
they're
getting
our
health
care
transitioning
to
a
triple
an
hour.
Job
does
not
do
it.
I
know
you
all
are
a
broken
record.
H
You've
heard
this
I
deeply
appreciate
your
question
about
the
basic
health
plan
and
the
tiered
you
know
I
mean
this
there's
only
so
many
solutions
here
and
those
have
got
to
be
a
part
of
it.
I
think
like,
if
you've
hit
onto
that
accurately
I'm
here,
sorry
I'm
not
hitting
the
next
slide
and
then,
of
course,
I
brought
this
up
to
other
folks
in
the
legislature
before
this
study
commissioned
by
Governor
Kasich
come
back
up
and
it's
gone
okay.
So
the
end
is
back
Republican
Governor
Kasich
in
2018
and
it's
ongoing.
H
Well,
he
did.
It
twice,
did
a
study
about
the
impact
of
Medicaid
expansion
and
that's
our
neighbor
in
Ohio.
You
know
obviously,
they've
got
more
people,
but
it's
not
that
crazy
different
and
they
found
overwhelmingly
nine
in
ten
reported
that
Medicaid
made
it
easier
to
continue
working
and
the
majority
of
unemployed
enrollees
said:
Medicaid
made
it
easier
to
look
for
work.
H
So
Medicaid
is
a
work,
support
and
I
hope.
You
all
saw
the
Brookings
study
that
just
came
out
that
showed
that
Medicaid
is
also
a
public
health
and
crime
reduction,
so
states
that
expanded
medicaid
saw
a
reduction
in
crime
relative
to
states
that
did
not
so
I
hope.
That's
already
come
up
in
other
places,
not
the
most
relevant
for
the
benefits.
Cliff
task
force,
but
I
just
can't
help
but
point
it
out,
and
these
are
pretty
dramatic
numbers.
You
want
to
comment
I.
F
Was
just
going
to
say
we
we
didn't
have
a
slide
on
the
basic
health
plan,
but
what
I'll
tell
you
is
that
and
how
it
relates
to
the
benefits
cliff.
You
know
with
Medicaid.
The
income
limit
for
most
adults
is
138
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level.
So,
if
you
go
above
that,
then
you
can
probably
either
get
coverage
through
your
employer
or
shop
on
the
marketplace
on
connect
and
find
a
qualified,
Health
Plan,
that's
subsidized.
F
What
ends
up
happening,
though,
is
that
the
cost
sharing,
whether
it's
the
premium
or
the
deductible,
the
co-pays,
the
coinsurance,
is
so
expensive
that
people
can't
use
it.
If
you
think
about
someone
who's
still
in
that
income
bracket,
you
know
between
138
200
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level.
That's
just
a
cost
that
you
can't
really.
F
You
know,
afford
you
can't
budget
for
that,
and
of
course,
if
you're
healthy
today,
you're
going
to
you
know,
maybe
pass
up
health
insurance
to
pay
for
your
rent
or
for
your
utilities,
anything
else
that
is
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
urgent,
and
so
we
a
lot
of
people
end
up
going
uninsured
and
what
a
basic
health
program
would
do
would
be
to
provide
a
new
option
for
people
in
that
income
bracket.
F
It
could
go
up
to
200,
but
it
could
even
actually
go
up
further
than
that,
depending
on
how
the
state
chose
to
do
it
and
provide
plans
that
don't
have
a
deductible.
So
there
would
be
a
minimal
premium.
There
would
be
some
small
co-pays,
but
there
wouldn't
be
that
deductible,
which
is
what
keeps
most
people
from
feeling
like
their
insurance,
actually
works
for
them.
So
that's
our
pitch
for
the
basic
health
program,
which
we
think
could
be
a
real
and-
and
you
know
this
is
something
that
was
covered.
F
I
think
just
last
week
in
the
Medicaid
oversight
and
advisory
committee
and
you'll
probably
be
hearing
about
it
a
lot
this
year
or
this
upcoming
year,
people
have
been
enrolled
in
Medicaid
during
the
pandemic
and
for
the
most
part,
have
stayed
enrolled
in
Medicaid
because
of
the
federal
Public
Health
Emergency,
and
so
we
have
about
1.6
million
kentuckians
covered
by
Medicaid
about
200.
000
of
those
individuals
will
need
to
actively
renew
their
coverage
because
they're
they
may
have
income
that's
higher
than
the
eligibility
eligibility
limit.
F
Now
we're
not
sure
until
they
actually
document
that
the
cabinet
is
looking
at.
You
know
200
000
people
who
some
will
continue
to
be
eligible.
We
would
assume
others
will
have
to
find
other
coverage,
and
you
know
that's
a
lot
of
people
who
could
become
uninsured
overnight
if
we
don't
have
a
more
affordable
plan
in
place
for
them.
So
the
timing
of
a
basic
health
program
is
also
also
really
essential
here.
Crucial.
H
And
one
other
basic,
just
I
mean
I'm
going
off
script,
because
the
chair
brought
this
up,
so
it
seems
irrelevant
follow-up
with
it.
The
other
element
there
is
the
network.
So
right
now,
if
you
come
to
to
me
and
Senator
Neil
says:
okay,
I'm
no
longer
I
got
this
bump
in
my
job,
so
I'm
no
longer
eligible
for
Medicaid
and
I
can
be
like.
Don't
you
worry,
I
can
enroll
you
through
connect
with
a
plan
with
probably
a
zero
dollar
premium.
H
If
you
haven't
gotten
too
big
of
a
raise,
but
you
are
going
to
have
this
deductible
and
oh
by
the
way
you
can't
still
go
to
your
same
doctor.
All
your
doctors
are
going
to
change,
because
I
can't
find
you
a
plan
with
that
same
network.
The
basic
health
plan,
the
as
it
is
being
strategized
right
now
and
evaluated.
It
does
include
the
mcos
being
required
to
or
not
required.
That's
the
wrong.
Word
incentivizing
strongly
encouraged
to
offer
the
same
networks
that
they
already
have.
F
D
D
She
had
two
kids
that
she
was
looking
for
a
better
job
and
and
searching
around
our
community
to
try
to
try
to
better
herself
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
one
statement.
She
said
she
said:
I,
never
minded
that
I
lost
a
benefit
or
a
portion
of
a
benefit
for
the
money
earned
for
the
additional
money
she
would
earn.
But
she
said
I
just
wished.
It
would
have
taken
long.
It
would
have
taken
longer
to
phase
out,
as
my
income
I
would
as
I
raised.
D
D
I
Oh
I'm
sorry
I
was
I
was
looking
for
my
notes.
I
can't
find
my
note.
So
sorry,
my
name
is
Keisha
Curry
and
I
am
a
resident
of
Paducah
Kentucky,
a
very,
very
proud
resident
of
Paducah
Kentucky
I'm,
a
proud
resident
of
two
now
adult
grown
boys,
who
are
just
very
good
citizens
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
currently
work
as
a
social
service
director
float
for
senior
health
care.
I
I've
worked
in
various
areas
of
social
work,
where
ranging
from
Child
adoption,
child
welfare
and
adoption
to
HIV,
AIDS,
traumatic,
brain
injury
and
all
other
areas
of
social
work
and
I'm.
Saying
all
this
to
say
that
I
am
a
product
of
Public
Service
of
public
resources.
I
have
a
benefited
from
public
resources.
On
several
several
different
occasions.
A
lot
of
occasions,
I
found
myself
of
several
occasions.
I
I
I
If
you,
if
we're
going
to
talk
about
Public,
Service
public
resources,
we
have
to
talk
about
not
just
trying
to
rid
the
people
of
public
resources,
but
more
so
building
a
bridge
and
transitioning
people.
If
it
had
not
been
for
public
resources.
I,
don't
know
about
child
care.
I
wouldn't
have
had
chalk
here.
I
wouldn't
have
benefits
for
my
children
because
of
Medicaid
I
had
Medicaid.
My
son
was
diagnosed
with
multiple
sclerosis
at
the
age
of
18..
I
H
J
Yes,
thank
you
Mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
ladies
for
your
testimony
and
young
lady
Miss
Dixon.
Is
that
it
yes
I
admire
you
for
raising
two
children
and
trying
to
better
yourself
and
show
them
a
better
life
how
it
can
be.
Now
we
talk
a
lot
about
the
income,
the
increases
and
the
benefit
cliff
and
I've
always
said
that
we
should
tear
it
down
instead
of
just
taking
away
also
for
unemployment
insurance,
which
we're
not
handling
at
the
moment
and
we'd
talk
a
lot
about
child
care.
J
So
when
you
get
through
that,
then
you're
already
off
the
benefit
Cliff,
because
you're
already
making
a
good
amount
and
you're
an
asset
to
yourself
and
society
and
your
children.
That's
where
we
need
to
go
more
so
than
just
helping
you
get
along
with
the
small
jobs
that
you
can
get
now,
so
that
you
can
make
a
decent
living
and
and
while
I'm
just
amazed,
you
have
an
18
year
old
yeah.
You.
G
H
You
Senator
nemes,
we
have
you,
know
significant
ENT
programs,
employment
and
training
programs,
but
I
will
say
that
there
is
several
Pilots
that
were
done
and
FNS
released
a
study
that
said
that,
basically
one
Statewide
program
is
never
going
to
cut
it
because
we
have
radically
different
outcomes
in
our
Urban
regions
versus
our
rural
regions.
And
so
you
know
so
we
need
to
come
up
with
different
approaches.
K
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
you
know
I.
Obviously,
these
programs
are
incredibly
complex
to
some
degree
and
I
do
believe.
That's
part
of
the
problem
and
I
I
agree
with
my
other
colleagues
here
that
we
need
to
do
a
a
more
teared
down
approach.
What
in
your
opinion,
is
particularly
I
mean?
Obviously,
the
health
insurance
is
a
big
thing.
Having
that
security,
to
know
that
your.
C
K
If,
just
if
something
bad
were
to
happen,
has
you
know
a
fallback
position,
but
is
you
know
I
think
we're
dealing
in
to
some
degree
with
a
lot
of
younger
people
here?
That
may
not
have
as
many
health
issues
is,
that
a
primary
impediment
to
to
advancement
I
mean
I
can
I
can
definitely
understand
the
they
cause
for
some
basic
coverage,
but
I
mean
is
that
is
that
I
guess
the
biggest
benefit
Cliff
that
we
have
to
worry
about.
H
I
don't
want
to
mislead
anyone.
In
fact,
you
know
we
were
trying
to
explain
that,
while
the
health
care
has
the
least
benefit
Cliff,
it's
still
a
very
real
one
sure
and
it's
an
e
it's
like.
Maybe
the
easiest
solvable
one,
because
we
already
have
a
solution
created
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
the
timeline
with
it.
Existing
I
mean
you
all
put
it
in
the
budget
last
year
to
create
it.
So
it's
just
a
matter
of
getting
that
out
in
the
real
world
and.
G
B
K
Yeah,
okay,
all
right,
and
is
there
anything
you
think
we
could
do
to
try
to
incentivize?
You
know
we
lost
a
lot
of
Sinners
during
the
pandemic.
You
know.
A
couple
of
in
my
home
region
suffered
I
mean
one
of
my
fifth
grade
teacher
I.
Guess
it
invested
in
a
child
care
facility
right
before
the
pandemic,
and
I
mean
it
was
tough.
K
H
Interestingly,
starting
July
1st
of
this
year,
we
have
a
a
heck
of
a
program
available.
We
have
up
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
match
to
start
a
child
care
center
available
through
the
arpa
money
right
now
now,
I
don't
know
as
of
today,
but
as
of
about
a
month
or
so
ago,
we'd
only
had
two
people
take
the
state
up
on
that
and
there's
also
an
apprenticeship
program
with
it.
Now
so,
I've
got
a
lot
of
question
marks
about
how
Jessica
said
people
don't
know
about
these
things.
F
Of
that
funding,
and
if
you
know,
child
care
providers
or
potential
providers
were
to
see
that
the
state
was
investing
money
and
had
you
know
more
funds
and
best
against
yeah
was
investing
money
and
had
more
funds
invested,
you
know
ongoing
into
the
future.
Taking
that
risk
would
would
be
easier
to
do
a.
K
H
Correct
yeah,
so
that
part
of
the
program
is
not
something
that
you
would
need
in
theory
for
years
on
the
road
one
of
the
other
challenges
is
finding
skilled
workers
because
turns
out
Child
Care
is
not
an
unskilled
labor,
and
so
you
have
to
have
people
who
are
trained
and
there's
also
an
apprenticeship
program.
Currently
that's
also
available
because
of
arpa
for
the
next
couple
of
years.
But
again
we
haven't
had
the
uptick
and
part
of
that.
H
Isn't
people
knowing
you're,
not
the
first
person
who
wasn't
aware
that
it
existed
so
that's
part
of
it
and
the
other
part
is
the
regulations
in
child
care
are
significant
and
so
there's
fear
right
and
of
course,
like
Emily
said,
there's
a
big
fear
of
that.
This
is
going
to
be
abandoned
as
soon
as
the
federal
money
is
gone
because
there's
not
the
support,
and
we
again
know
that
half
of
Kentucky
is
a
child
care
desert.
Half
there
are
not
enough
chocolate
care
providers
period
right
now,
doesn't
matter
how
much
money
you're
willing
to
pay.
G
I'm
currently
taking
night
classes
at
bccc
and
I
had
to
bring
my
daughter
to
class
the
other
day
and
I
didn't
have
child
care.
So
it's
like
it's
really.
A
big
deal
like
I,
have
no
family
here,
my
family's
in
Michigan.
So
it's
really
like
child
care.
I
would
say
once
you
get
child
care
taken
care
of,
then
you
can
get
education
and
you
can
get
that
and
then
you
can
do
better.
I
feel
like
it's
just
a
lack
of
Education,
a
lack
of
resources
because
it
just
makes
you
just
like.
G
I
Would
like
to
add
something
to
that
is
that,
okay,
in
addition
to
the
child
care,
a
lot
of
us
like
for
me
I,
had
to
work
two
jobs
with
my
two
boys
and
I.
They
had
to
be
latchkey
at
grades,
third,
third
grade
and
seventh
grade.
So
that's
not
always
a
safe
situation
for
a
lot
of
people.
I
didn't
have
any
family
around
so
Child.
Care
is
definitely
vital
in
order
to
for
us
to
make
it
for
us
to
make
it
from
day
to
day
much
less
to
get
further
than
where
we
are.
E
H
E
D
Well:
Miss
Beauregard
and
Miss
Stewart,
Miss,
Dixon
and
Miss
Curry.
Thank
you
all
very,
very
much
for
for
being
here
today
and
to
providing
all
of
the
good
data
that
you
provide
and
then
Ms
Dixon's
Curry.
Thank
you
so
much
for
for
coming
and
providing
I
think
his
valuable
testimony
to
hear
from
from
constituents
of
ours
across
the
state
that
deal
with
these
issues
firsthand
and
and
how
you've
overcome
those
issues.
So
thank
you
so
much
thank.
I
D
L
All
right,
Paul,
granowski
I,
am
the
director
for
Workforce
Development
and
solutions
for
Audubon
Area
Community
Services,
and
we
are
one
we
are
the
one
of
the
largest
of
the
23
Community
Action
agencies
here
in
the
state,
one
of
the
largest
in
the
country
and
what
is
Community
Action
world.
We
are
the
voice
of
the
poor
because
we
work
specifically
with
low-income
individuals
and
families
and
help
Elevate
them
out
of
poverty.
Poverty
is
a
big
question
for
us.
L
We,
we
talk
poverty
in
every
scenario
and
every
situation
that,
in
all
of
our
programs
on
a
on
a
daily
basis.
So
today
you
know
I'm,
I,
guess
I'm
I'm,
standing
between
you
and
your
families
and
and
getting
home
so
I'm
I'm
the
closer
here.
So
I'm,
basically
going
to
be
talking
about
the
snap,
employment
and
training
program.
It
was
mentioned
a
few
times
throughout
the
presentations
or
one
of
the
providers
in
a
state
that
provides
this
training.
L
We've
been
providing
snap
ENT
since
2019.,
and
we
also
manage
the
TANF
program
2,
which
is
kind
of
similar
to
the
snap,
ENT
employment
and
training
program
as
well
since
2007,
and
we
managed
those
in
34
counties
here
in
Kentucky.
So
we've
been
doing
this
for
for
quite
some
time.
We
have
wonderful
relationship
with
DCPS
and
chfs
as
well,
and
my
presentation
is
basically
about
our
success
factors
in
becoming
a
and
and
becoming
a
successful
Snappy
and
T
provider.
L
L
You
know
it
begins
with
the
intake
and
again
this
is
once
once
they
enroll
into
the
benefits
the
state
refers
them
to
us,
and
so
our
agency
takes
everybody
that
gets
referred
to
us,
and
so
our
job
is
to
collect
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
information.
In
fact,
we
collect
a
lot
of
information
and
have
a
lot
of
data
to
provide,
but
this
is
that
point
where
we
they
try
to
figure
out.
L
You
know
why
you're
here,
why
you're
on
a
benefits
and
and
and
talk
about
their
employment
plan,
what
do
they
want
to
be
when
they
grow
up
is
is
kind
of
how
we
refer
to
that.
So
we
use
a
lot
of
data
collection
methods.
We,
you
know
we
talk
about
a
lot
of
different
things
with
them,
and
so
we,
through
that
whole
process,
we
try
to
help
identify.
We
use
this
term.
You
know
identify
successful
enrollees,
because
we
want
individuals
that
come
into
the
program.
L
And
then,
once
you
know,
during
that
process
of
that
intake,
we
do
and
I
have
some
samples
of
what
our
assessment
is.
You
know
we
have
like
I
said
we
have
several
assessments
if
there
they
come
in
and
they
don't
understand
what
they
want
to
do,
because
you
know
our
job
and
our
our
part
of
our
contract
is
to
get
them
off
of
the
benefits
into
a
you
know
that
self-sufficiency
try
to
be
in
that
self-sufficiency
plan
and
into
a
job.
L
So
you
know
we're
asking
a
lot
of
those
questions
and
you
know
part
of
that
process
in
in
our
assessment.
We
use
this
rasnic
test
that
kind
of
points
when
they
were
like
I,
don't
know
what
I
want
to
do
it
kind
of
paints
them
a
picture
as
to
a
direction
as
to
based
on
you
know.
Do
you
like?
Do
you
like
to
talk
to
people?
Do
you
like
math?
L
Do
you
like
these
different
situations,
and
so
it
paints
them
into
something
that
they
would
enjoy
doing,
and
so
we
take
a
lot
of
those
a
lot
of
that
information
into
account
and
plus
we
look
at
what
they
did
before.
You
know
how
you
know
where
they
are
working.
If
they're
working,
we,
you
know
their
skills,
their
current
skills
and
what
their
skills
that
they
need
based
on
their
employment
plan,
what
they
want
to
do,
and
so
you
know
we
we
you
know
address
their
right
now.
L
Economics
is
how
we
term
that
you
know
because
everybody's
on
there,
for
a
reason,
whether
it
be
their
you
know,
running
running
from
an
ex
or
you
know,
they're.
You
know
their
somebody
passed
away
or
you
know
whatever
situation.
It
is.
You
know
we're
we're
there
to
talk
about.
You
know
how
do
we?
How
do
we
solve
that?
And,
of
course
you
know,
we
have
to
address
a
lot
of
the
barriers.
You
know
we.
L
So
you
know
child
care
and
transportation
represents
a
third
of
the
barriers
that
are
that
our
individuals
talk
about,
and
so
those
those
like
many
you
know
we
want
to
take.
You
know
the
family
in
consideration
when
we
kind
of
take
take
on
this
on
them
as
a
client
into
our
into
our
program,
and
so
you
know
just
like
you
know,
they're
covid
kind
of
slowed,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things
down
for
us,
but
covet
is
now
over,
but
you
know
during
covet.
L
You
know
we
would
offer
healthy
eating
tips,
exercising
tips
and
everything
for
that
for
that
individual
in
their
family
to
stay
focused
and
and
stay
even
though
they
didn't
have
to
participate
at
the
time.
You
know
we
gave
them
opportunity
to
be.
You
know
at
least
try
to
be
healthy
and
successful
when
during
during
the
pandemic,
but
you
know
we
also-
you
know
at
that
point.
L
You
know
when
we
talk
about
these
skills,
we're
preparing
them
for
their
placement
into
into
the
program,
and
that's
we
talk
about
successful
placement.
You
know
part
of
what
we
do
is
unique
to
a
lot
of
different
agencies
throughout
the
state
that
you
know
are
providers
for
the
snap
ENT
program.
We
have
this
personal
Effectiveness
skills
training,
which
is
from
the
Department
of
layers,
Labor's,
mastering
skills
for
workplace
success,
and
it's
basically
you
know
your
self-management.
L
You
know
which
talks
about
attendance,
professionalism,
punctuality,
your
job
performance
which
talks
about
you
know
your
follow.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
follow
instructions,
meaning
deadlines
and
focus
on
safety?
And
then
your
team
performance,
which
is
communication?
You
know
how
to
communication,
how
to
communicate
with
other
co-workers
and
if
there's
a
situation,
how
do
I
communicate
with
my
boss
and,
of
course,
our
the
asset
to
the
organization
talks
about
you
know
your
adaptability
right.
L
We
want
individuals
to
be
able
to
adapt
to
changes
in
their
job,
talk,
talk
about
qual,
focus
on
quality
and,
of
course,
being
a
self-starter.
We
want
people
to
be
motivated
and
things
like
that,
and
of
course
you
know
all
of
our
person-effectiveness
training
is
work
based,
learning,
okay,
you
know,
there's
some
agencies
out
there
that
talk
about
boot
camps
and
soft
skills
and
all
this
stuff
that
they
sit
in
a
classroom
for
a
day.
L
You
know
an
hour
a
day
and
a
half
our
all
of
our
training
is
work-based
learning,
there's
nothing
else,
there's
no
classroom
other
than
when
we
talk
about
our
employment,
Readiness
training,
which
is,
which
is
a
added
benefit
to
this
as
well,
so
once
they
achieve
their
personal
effect
in
this
or
PES
training,
they
move
right
into
their
specialized
skill
training,
and
so
we
provide
certificates
for
a
lot
of
different
things,
a
lot
of
different
skills
for
for
individuals.
You
know
some
of
the
most
popular
ones
is.
L
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
retail
and
individuals
who
go
through
our
program
and
out
the
door
customer
service.
We
have
warehouse
workers,
we
have
daycare
care
attend.
You
know,
workers,
we
have
a
lot
of
different.
We
have
over
50
skill
certificates
that
the
individual
can
learn
through
that
work,
based
learning
and
once
they
get
established
through
that
work,
based
learning
and
then
they
get
into
our
employment
Readiness
training,
which
is
our
you
know,
job
Focus.
L
Some
of
those
job
leads
that
we
provide,
because
it's
just
not
we
don't
just
say
you
know:
Lowe's-
is
hiring
we're
going
to
send
Lowe's
application
everybody.
We
have
a
specific
plan
for
each
specific
client,
because
their
needs
are
all
different.
Their
skills
are
all
different,
and
so
each
one
of
those
job
leads
are
based
on
that
skill
and
we
kind
of
walk
them
through
them
and
we
provide
that
interview
training.
You
know
we.
We
have
some
had
some
videos
of
individuals
who
you
know
do
the
sample
mock
interviewing.
L
And
of
course
you
know
we
we
have
a
strong.
You
know
we
I
pride,
our
staff,
because
without
them
you
know
I'm
I'm,
just
another
employee
with
our
agency,
but
you
know
we
take.
We
have
empathy
training
for
our
individ
for
our
staff,
all
of
our
staff
go
through
empathy,
empathy
training
because
it's
an
important
piece
to
understand
the
the
individual
sitting
across
from
you.
You
know
we
kind
of
we
work
in
this.
You
know
we
we
talk
about
the
Synergy
too.
L
We
want
to
combine
our
wraparound
services
to
a
lot
of
our
individuals
to
ensure
that
they're
getting
a
lot
of
the
need
and
and
and
our
fairness
and
and
you
know,
to
drive
the
success
of
that
individual,
because
there
are
successes
there
are
success
and
their
successes
are
success.
And,
of
course,
you
know,
we
evaluate
our
staff
on
a
monthly
basis
based
on
our
productivity
and
things
like
that,
and
so
once
you
know
once
we
also
talk
about
or
engagement
with
employers.
L
Okay,
we
we
talk
about
meeting
the
the
changing
needs
of
the
client,
because
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
clients.
That
say
you
know:
I
want
to
be
a
vet,
I'd
like
to
be
a
vet,
and
so
we
place
them
at
a
dog
shelter,
for
example,
and
they're
like
I.
Don't
like
cleaning
up
dog
poop,
so
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
I
want
to
be
a
vet,
and
so
you
know
they're
they're
change.
L
You
know
their
employment
goal
changes
from
time
to
time
and,
of
course
you
know
the
workforce,
the
demand
of
a
Workforce
changes.
You
know
we
went
through
this
this
pandemic,
where
you
know
things
were:
oh
my
gosh
we've
got
to
try
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
work
from
home
now
and
now
we're
now
working
from
home
now
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
things.
We
talk
about
this.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
pressure
for
putting
people
into
the
stem
jobs.
L
You
know
we
I
I,
think
I
provided
some
information.
You
know
we.
We
have
quite
a
few
people
that
that
fit
that
category,
but
there's
a
lot
of
individuals
that
go
through
our
programs,
that
you
know,
factory,
work
and
and
working
and
and
some
of
those
type
of
jobs
just
isn't
what
they
are
looking
for,
even
though
we
do
have
discussed
questions
and
and
talk
about
that.
L
And,
of
course,
we
you
know,
part
of
that.
You
know
collaborating
with
businesses.
It's
a
requirement
for
all
of
our
of
our
career
coaches,
to
have
engagement
practices,
engagement
strategies
for
the
their
communities
that
they
service,
like
I,
said
we're
in
34
counties.
We
have
over
2
000
employers
that
we
have
touched
and
are
part
of,
and
that's
34
34
counties
that
we
serve
and
and
part
of
that
you
know
we
do
a
business
survey.
We
ask
a
lot
of
the
questions
to
those
businesses
specifically
about
you
know.
L
You
know
how
how's
your
how's,
your
turnover,
you
know
what
kind
of
jobs
are
you
looking
for.
You
know,
do
you
you
know?
What's
your
turnover
cost,
because
turnover
cost
is
a
big
thing
for
these
employers
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know,
because
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
Mom
and
Pops
as
well,
not
just
big
big
businesses.
So
we
we
have
that
discussion
with
all
businesses
about
turnover.
What's
your
cost,
do
you
understand
you
know?
How
do
you?
How
are
you
keeping
them?
L
You
know
part
of
what
we've
we've
been
doing
for
for
years
now
and
I'm
talking
years
with
our
with
our
Tana
program.
You
know,
we
ask,
you
know,
do
how
do
you
track?
People
who
miss
work
and-
and
one
of
those
questions
is,
you
know,
do
they
miss
because
of
child
care,
and
so
we've
been
talking
about
the
the
trying
to
bring
on
that
business
aspect
of
the
child
care
for
years
now.
L
Talking
about
how
they
can
you
know,
use
utilize,
the
you
know
maybe
offering
that
paying
a
little
bit
of
that
tax
paint
a
little
bit
of
that
child
care
for
that
individual
and
focusing
on
that
tax
break
that
they
would
get
doing
that.
So
we've
had
discussions
prior
to
covid,
with
with
a
lot
of
businesses
with
little.
L
We
don't
we're
not
just
the
greatest
person,
our
greatest
agency,
you
know
we.
We
have
some
faults
out
there.
So
and
of
course,
you
know,
we
also
partner
with
a
lot
of
our
Our
Community
Partners
as
well.
So
you
know
if
they
need
help
finding.
You
know,
clothing
for
for
interviews
and
so
forth.
We,
you
know
haircuts
for
job
interviews.
All
that
stuff
is
all
we.
We
collaborate
with
a
lot
of
our
community
organizations
to
build
that
that
wonderful
relationship
for
our
clients.
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Our
our
contract
specifically
states
that
you
know
we
have
to
have
so
many
people
go
into
a
job,
and
so
you
know
part
of
what
we
do
is
it's
not
unique
to
the
state,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
we
do,
that
that
some
other
programs
may
or
may
not
do
again.
We
do
a
monthly
follow-up
with
every
individual
for
a
year
once
they
stop
receiving
benefits
and
through
that
time
we
system
with
you
know
challenging
maintaining
employment
stability,
which
basically
means
you
know,
don't
quit
your
job.
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If
you
don't
like
your
boss,
you
don't
you
don't
like
your
hours,
you
don't
like
where
you're
at
you
know,
don't
quit.
Let's
find
you
another
job
and
we'll
provide
a
lot
of
those
services
so
that
they
can
maintain
that
employment
stability.
We
talk
about,
you,
know,
skills
to
build
and
promote
career
advancement,
career
advancement,
and
so
you
know
we
also
you
know
talk
about
you
know
what
could
we
do
based
on
your
skills?
Here's
some
information
update
your
resume.
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Here's
some
information
that
you
can
take
online
after
after
work
hours
and
so
forth
to
get
that
that
career
advancement
and
we
also
provide
information
to
our
all
of
our
clients
about
the
earned
income
tax
credit
that
they're
eligible
for
we
provide
employers
with
that
work,
opportunity,
tax
credit,
which
is
easy,
because
it's
online
a
lot
of
different
things,
and
so
we
we're
not
text
accountants,
and
so
we
don't
we
can't.
We
don't
tell
them
exactly
what
that
tax
thing
is,
but
we
do
have
a
tax
calculator
from
that
work.
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Opportunity
tax
credit
that
kind
of
gives
that
business
an
idea
as
to
how
much
tax
that
they
Will
based
because
that's
state-run
there
and
of
course
you
know,
once
we
have
our
program,
we
evaluate
what
we
do
on
a
on
a
yearly
basis
to
ensure
that
we're
providing
the
best
quality
service
for
our
individuals
once
they
leave
the
program,
and
so
we
I
provided
with
you
some
testimonies
from
individuals.
We
did
have
our
our.
Let
me
see
Mr.
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Yes,
Donald
Brewer
the
number
one
person
on
that
list
right.
There
was
one
of
the
several
people
that
were
going
to
zoom
in,
but
you
know
he
was
obviously
working,
so
he
could
not
make
this
meeting,
but
you
know
we.
We
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
testimony
throughout
the
years.
In
fact,
all
of
our
staff
member
all
of
our
career
coaches,
have
what
we
call
as
a
kind
of
a
wall
of
fame
that
when
a
when
an
individual
gets
referred
to
our
program,
they
walk
in
you
know,
what's
unique
about
us.
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Is
that
we're
actually
housed
in
the
dcbs
offices.
So
when
that
individual
gets
referred
to
our
agency,
they're
walking
them
across
the
hall
which
there's
no
cost,
which
which
compared
to
some
of
the
other
agencies
where
they
actually
have
to
drive
across
town
figure
Transportation?
How
do
I
get
there
and
all
that
fun
stuff,
so
we're
we're
kind
of
unique
in
what
we
do
and
that
individual
can
see
on
that
wall
of
fame.
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Some
success
stories
of
individuals
have
have
earned
their
certificate,
gets,
earned,
earned
jobs,
thank
you
notes
and
all
those
cards
so
that
individual
feels
comfortable
walking
into
our
offices
about
seeing
how
successful
somebody
can
be,
which
sets
the
tempo
for
them.
So
but
again,
we
we
have
plenty
of
success
stories
that
that
talk
about
the
snap
ENT
program
and
how
beneficial
this
program
has
been
to
them,
and
these
are
just
a
few
I
mean
we
have
you
know
just
about
everybody.
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That,
yes
about
not,
we
average
about
96
or
higher
percent
job
retention
rate.
So
when
somebody
gets
a
job,
they
stay
employed
and
majority
of
those
and
of
those
individuals
that
get
a
job
or
you
know
above
the
poverty
rates.
You
know,
they're,
not
you
know,
40
an
hour
jobs,
obviously,
but
they're
in
that
20.
We
average
somewhere
close
in
that
20
an
hour
range
which
is
kind
of
pretty
good
can
considering
where
they
were
prior
to
coming.
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Part
of
you
know,
part
of
the
the
the
the
dcbs
has
training
throughout
with
all
their
career,
their
career
case
managers
and
all
their
intake.
People,
the
the
connectors
through
the
health
benefit
exchange,
is
also
going
to
be
helping
to
enroll
the
some
snap
individuals
and
so
we're
going
to
get
the
snappy
and
tia
information
out
there,
because
it's
a
volunteer
program,
and
so
not
everybody
has
to
participate
at
this
at
this
time.