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A
On
time,
so
there's
several
here
that
we'll
be
heading
home,
so
we
want
to
try
to
get
out
of
here
in
a
timely
manner.
So
some
of
the
committee
members
have
joined
us
not
from
this
location.
So
when
you
hear
your
name
called
during
roll
call,
just
let
us
know
where
you
are
at
and
just
remember,
if
you're
listening
online,
to
mute
your
microphone
and
then
unmute
it
if
you'd
like
to
speak
for
legislative
committee
members,
if
I've
already
gone
over
that
I
apologize.
A
So
at
this
point
I
think
we've
covered
all
of
our
preemptive
things.
If
we
can
have
a
roll
call.
B
A
Very
good
good
to
have
you,
okay,
we
have
four
groups
that
are
going
to
present
today
and
first
on
our
agenda,
we're
going
to
mix
our
agenda
up
a
little
bit,
but
we're
going
to
go
with
miss
holt
first
from
the
department
of
revenue
kim
holt
and
miss
holt.
If
you
could,
I
saw
your
presentation
looked
fairly
short.
If
you
could
try
to
cover
everything
in
about
10
minutes
or
so
that
would
be
great.
D
D
D
For
example.
This
year
the
general
fund
appropriations
was
56.4
million.
They
also
received
money
from
their
county
appropriations
and
that's
governed
by
krs-132
590
and
subsections
9
and
10.
each
year
after
each
county
is
certified.
We
notify
them
that
or
notify
the
county.
How
much
money
that
should
be
appropriated
to
the
pba
and
usually
that
letter
comes
from
our
office
and
we
send
it
straight
to
the
county
judge
executive.
D
After
that
they
also
have
some
miscellaneous
income
that
they
can
bring
in
the
miscellaneous
income
could
be
from
interest
income.
It
could
be
from
an
income
from
printing
tax
bills
or
even
schedule.
Income,
I
think,
would
be
the
bulk
of
their
miscellaneous
income
that
covers
all
of
their
revenue
for
each
year.
When
you
go
to
the
next
slide,.
D
Okay,
this
slide
covers
the
majority
of
what
the
pva
would
spend
their
money
on,
even
though
they
do
receive
general
fund
appropriations.
D
This
year
we
had
to
bill
out
64
of
the
income,
that
was
income
that
was
generated
by
the
pba
office
to
come
back
to
us
on
top
of
that
billing.
We
also
have
billings
about
90
pvas
have
additional
salary
billings,
and
this
is
billings
from
where
they
either
had
to
hire
another
employee
that
they
weren't
budgeted
to
hire.
D
Sometimes
the
pva
might
need
to
give
employee
raises,
so
we
would
have
to
we
don't
have
the
general
fund
money
to
cover
that,
so
we
build
that
cost
back
to
the
county.
Also,
like
I
said
this
year
was
64
of
the
income
that
came
out
to
about
8.5
million
dollars
that
we
built
and
then
the
additional
salaries
we
anticipated
to
be
around
1.8
million.
D
Some
other
things
that
they
have
to
spend
their
money
on
is
normal
operating
expenses
for
their
offices.
I
would
say
that
computer
services
would
be
a
big
one.
They
also
have
to
pay
for
their
computer
software
and
hardware.
D
Aerial
photography
is
a
big
expense
for
them.
Just
other
routine
office
expenses
such
as
furniture
office
supplies,
advertising,
postage,
educational
expenses,
equipment
leases,
professional
contractual
services.
That's
one
that
we're
hearing
from
the
pbas
could
be
an
even
bigger
expense
in
the
future,
but
that's
just
a
sample
of
some
of
the
expenses.
They
have
probably
what
I
would
consider
the
more
costly
expenses
for
their
office
anyway.
D
Okay,
the
pba
expense
allowance
and
krs
132
597.
It
allows
for
the
pba
to
receive
3600
dollars
per
year.
It
comes
out
to
300
per
month
and
unfortunately,
for
the
last
few
years
it's
been
superseded
by
the
enacted
budget
bill,
so
they're
only
receiving
200
per
month
know.
Obviously
that
comes
out
to
twenty
four
hundred
dollars
per
year
in
order
to
receive
that
they
have
to
have
received
a
minimum
of
30
hours
of
classroom
professional
instruction
and
if,
if
they
already
have
received
their
sk
designation,
then
they
only
need
15
hours.
D
Okay,
I
was
also
asked
to
cover
the
pba
deputy
classification
systems.
I
said
it's
really
simple
other
parts
of
it
a
little
more
complicated,
but
they
do
follow
the
state's
hourly
schedule
and
that
salary
schedule
was
last
updated
june.
1St
of
2019
they're
also
allowed
to
have
one
deputy
that
we
have.
We
assign,
what's
called
a
county
grade,
they're
allowed
to
have
one
deputy,
that's
one
grade
below
that
county
grade
and
that's
typically,
their
chief
deputy
all
other
grades
under
the
chief
deputy
was
kind
of
locked
in
back
in
2009.
D
When
we
started
having
budget
trouble,
they
kind
of
froze
those
grades
to
what
they
were
right
then
I
know
that's
a
little
confusing.
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide
and
I've
kind
of
given
a
little
bit
of
an
example
of
what
that
might
look
like
for
a
particular
county,
I
don't
know
if
everybody
can
see
it.
D
It's
kind
of
small
in
my
end,
but-
and
you
can
see
that
we
do
have
at
the
employee
number-
six
is
a
grade
14
and
that
is
the
chief
deputy
and
then
everybody
else
has
to
stay
below
that
grade.
We
have
two
or
three
grade
eights
and
some
grade
nine
and
grade
11..
Those
grades
were
frozen
and
in
place
like
that
in
2009,
and
the
only
way
for
a
pba
to
go
above
that,
as
far
as
salary
is
concerned,
was
to
pay
with
their
local
funds.
That
was
that
additional
salary
billing
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
D
So
if
you
look
at
employee
number,
one
who's
a
grade,
eight
they're
making
roughly
twenty
two
thousand
dollars
per
year-
it's
kind
of
really
hard
for
the
pdas
to
maintain
employment,
and
they
probably
get
a
pretty
big
turnover.
So
they
will
oftentimes
try
to
bump
those
salaries
up
their
employees.
But
basically
the
way
things
are
for
in
the
pdf
is
right.
Now
those
grades
are
locked
in
to
where
that
grade.
8
is
pretty
much
permanent
for
right.
D
Now,
there's
no
way
to
actually
move
them
to
a
grade
10
unless
somebody
actually
retires,
or
they
have
a
new
vacancy
promotion.
So-
and
you
can
see
at
the
bottom
of
this
little
spreadsheet,
it
shows
how
many
employees
were
actually
billing,
their
salary
so
and
we
do
have
about
90
counties
that
have
opted
to
try
to
give
their
employees
a
little
bit
of
money
in
order
to
retain
good
work.
A
Well,
very
good,
if
you
can
hang
on
here
the
next
gentleman
we're
going
to
have
we're
going
to
have
mr
andrew
pyle
come
up
and
he's
the
local
pva
in
my
hometown,
henderson
and
then
we'll
do
questions
afterwards.
So
y'all
might
get
some
of
the
similar
questions,
but
thank
you
so
much
ms
holt
for
presenting
that
and
just
hang
on
for
some
questions,
we'll
let
and
andrew
walk
up
here
and
get
settled.
One
thing
I
did
miss
before
we
got
started.
I
forgot
to
approve
the
minutes
from
last
meeting.
A
So
has
everybody
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
those
okay?
You
have
a
second
okay
representative,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
minutes
are
approved.
Thank
you
all
right.
So
mr
andrew
powell
is
here:
we've
got
about
20
minutes
for
you
to
burn
through
your
presentation
and
we
we're
thankful
that
you
came
up
from
henderson.
A
C
Can
hear
me
okay,
if
I
leave
my
mask
on,
I
know
other
people
are
going
to
be
sitting
in
this
seat
yeah.
Is
it
okay,
perfect
all
right?
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
a
senator
mills
and
this
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
serve
on
this
task
force
as
a
state
office.
That's
completely
out
of
frankfurt,
except
for
the
franklin
county
office.
C
We
always
want
to
start
with
the
pvas
as
to
what
we
do.
We
don't
want
to
undercut
that
opportunity,
so
just
quickly
run
through
what
a
pva
office
does
we
assess
across
the
commonwealth,
2.2
million
real
estate
parcels,
130,
000,
tangible
property
returns,
5
million
motor
vehicles,
boats,
campers
and
planes,
and
almost
half
a
million
homestead
and
disability
exemptions,
which
is
the
exemption.
C
Now,
when
you
get
into
the
farms,
we
may
not
have
a
sketch
of
every
grain
bin,
but
every
home
there
is
a
sketchup,
and
you
can
see
this.
This
is
this
is
a
personal
in
my
common
in
my
county
on
the
ohio
river,
you
see
the
overhead
map,
the
frontal
picture
we
took
in
2018
and
then
the
sketch
measurements
of
that
home.
C
I
don't.
I
can
move
a
little
quickly
because
kim
did
such
a
good
job.
On
behalf
of
department
of
revenue,
talking
about
how
we're
funded,
I
do
want
to
make
sure
to
always
iterate
that
56.4
million
dollars
is
payroll.
Only
that
doesn't
buy
paper
clips,
it
doesn't
buy
post-its,
it
doesn't
postage,
that's
payroll!
C
Only
we
we
get
no
funding
from
frankfurt
or
the
commonwealth,
except
for
to
pay
our
staff
local
allocation
funds,
statutorily,
as
kim
said,
that's
county
and
city
allocations
based
on
the
size
of
the
tax
roll,
and
we
get
about
11.6
million
from
our
cities
and
counties.
C
C
We
talked
about
shortfall
earlier
with
kim
we.
We
have
to
create
our
own
funding
scheme
to
pay
the
rest
of
that
payroll
to
buy
that
postage
to
pay
for
all
that
stuff.
So
we
sell
our
tax
roll
file.
We
sell
parcel
information
every.
I
believe
every
county
has
a
website
and
I
sell
subscriptions
to
our
information.
C
Actually,
I
have
to
plug
my
website
hendersoncopva.com.
We
just
updated
it
this
week
and
we're
real
proud
of
it
so,
and
we
also
sell
map
imagery
that,
for
all
that,
just
to
show
you
a
little
bit
about
this
slide
is
just
again
just
payroll.
C
If
you
look
at
the
56.4,
that
kim
mentioned
covers
about
83
and
a
half
percent
of
our
payroll
needs,
and
this
is
this
is
to
reach
just
the
funding
situation,
we're
in
right
now,
the
staff
we
have
the
deputies
we
have.
We
still
have
to
come
up
with
11
and
a
quarter
million
dollars
just
to
make
our
payroll
again
no
fuel
for
our
cars
to
go.
Look
at
houses.
C
None
of
that
this
is
just
payroll.
Now
we
talked
about
11.6
from
our
cities
and
counties
when
we
give.
What
we
have
here
is
73
percent
of
that
is
going
towards
paying
our
our
staff.
So
then
we're
theoretically
only
left
with
3.1
statutorily
just-
and
I
want
to
point
out
everything
we
do
is
by
statute.
C
You
know
we
don't
do
we
look
at
every
property
once
every
four
years,
because
that's
the
statute,
so
we
have
to
have
a
vehicle
that
gets
us
out.
There
got
to
pay
insurance
on
that
vehicle
have
to
pay
fuel
on
that
vehicle
have
to
change
the
oil
on
that
vehicle
have
to
replace
the
tires
when
they
need
it,
also
aerial
imagery
by
statute.
C
We
have
to
keep
maps
of
our
county,
but
we've
got
to
pay
for
that
flyover,
imagery
to
be
done,
and
we're
left
with
only
26.7
percent
of
our
local
allocation,
which
statutorily
is
supposed
to
go
to
pay
for
those
things,
because
the
vast
majority
is
going
towards
paying
for
payroll
just
a
little
bit
to
show
what
you
get
in
return
for
that
56
million
dollars
of
every
of
every
dollar
you
send
to
the
pva
office
or
every
one
dollar
you
send
the
pva
office.
Eleven
dollars
come
back
to
the
general
fund.
C
If
you
look
at
the
left,
the
they
are
roi.
Roughly
600
million
dollars
comes
back
to
the
general
fund
from
pvas
for
the
state
budget.
C
2.6
billion
goes
to
this
local
government
entities
to
an
oval
to
an
overall
3.2
billion
dollars
in
revenue
is
generated
by
pv
office,
pva
offices
every
year
with
a
total,
and
if
you
look
over
there
at
the
right,
that's
a
48
return
on
every
dollar
spent
on
pva
office,
and
I
would
love
to
invest
in
a
company
like
that,
honestly
and
but
the
the
on
the
right
hand
screen
there
our
right
hand
bar
graph.
C
Now
I
was
given
some
very
specific
bullet
points
to
talk
about,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
talk
about
everything.
Office
expenses
in
a
pva
office
is
different.
Jefferson
county
is
obviously
different
from
henderson
county
is
different
from
mccracken
county.
C
C
Our
salary
scale
follows
the
state
scale,
but
we're
locked
into
grades
11
years
old
now,
so
for
me
to
retain
a
staff,
I'm
a
completely
grade
11
across
the
board.
My
staff,
every
single
person,
makes
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year
roughly,
and
I
can't
I
can't
retain
good,
competent,
hard-working
people
at
that
level
for
very
long.
I
train
them
a
specific
skill
and
then
they
could
go
to
the
private
sector
and
make
more
money.
C
C
Now
talk
about
other
expensive
aerial
imagery,
we
talked
about
our
map
that
we
have
of
our
entire
county.
Henderson
county
had
a
flyover
at
the
cost
of
46
thousand
dollars.
Two
years
ago,
we
replaced
computers
this
year
in
response
to
covet
19
cost
us
just
over
twelve
thousand
dollars.
I
have
to
pay
an
annual
license
for
our
assessment
software.
My
sketching
software,
my
mapping
software,
and
also
we
have
to
pay
for
an
emulator
which
the
state
for
us
to
tap
into
the
state
system
for
our
cars
and
motor
vehicle
assessments.
C
Also
there's
again,
all
this
is
statutory.
I
have
to
put
a
statutory
notice
in
the
mail
when
we
send
out
open
inspection
and
we're
going
to
send
out
assessment
increases.
I
have
to
pay
for
a
printer.
I've
got
two
vehicles
to
cover
21,
just
over
21
000
parcels,
which
I
have
to
buy,
maintain
insure
and
purchase
the
fuel
for
travel.
We
have
a
30
or
40
hour
requirement
for
us
to
do
professional,
continuing
education
that
all
comes
out
of
local
funds.
C
I
send
four
just
over
4
000
assessment
notices
by
statute.
I
have
to
send
them
first
class
mail
every
single
year,
so
I'm
sending
4
000
pieces
at
least
4
000
pieces
of
mail
just
one
day
which
comes
up.
I've
got
to
print
that
stuff,
those
and
pay
for
the
postage
brother.
We
spend
over
three
thousand
dollars
in
postage
every
year,
just
because
of
our
statutory
mandates.
C
Other
things
here
and
and
kim
talked
about
it
briefly.
Professional
appraisal
services
we're
on
the
verge.
We
truly
feel
because
we
were
hit
hard
by
this
year,
that
a
lot
of
our
big
corporate
entities
are
going
to
start
appealing
their
assessments
and
we've.
C
We
don't
have
the
power
or
the
funding
to
fight
that
without
professional
appraisal
services,
if
they
show
up
with
a
professional
appraisal,
and
we
don't
have
one
we're
going
to
lose
and
and
that's
going
to
significantly
cut
into
our
assessment
levels
and
the
problem
with
that
is,
I
feel
as
a
pva
that
I
am.
I
must,
on
behalf
of
my
constituents,
fight
that,
because,
if
that
comes
out
of
a
big
box
store
or
something
like
that,
that
tax
rate
is
just
going
to
be
shared
with
our
residential
homeowners
and
we
can't
allow
that
to
happen.
C
So
I
think
that
contracted
services
that's
going
to
go
through
the
roof.
I
really
do
believe
that's
coming
because
it's
hit
it's
it's
hit
michigan
hard.
It's
hit
indiana
hard.
I
feel
like
it's
definitely
coming
towards
us
and
then
again
I
pay.
I
pay
for
our
website
to
be
updated
and
held.
Currently
the
expense
allows
ken
talked
about
that.
C
The
the
budget
bill
has
superseded
the
the
statute
so
to
2
400
annually
that
saves
about
144
000
a
year
on
the
state
budget,
the
salary
scale
we
talked
about
that
we
haven't
changed
our
grade
since
2009
and
we're
falling
further
behind.
Now
we
are
using
the
state
salary
bracket
in
scale,
but
when
we're
locked
into
grades,
our
our
counties
are
just
not
able
to
keep
up.
C
We
also
impose
a
90-day
hiring
freeze
as
a
cost
saving
measure.
I
don't
know
if
kim
mentioned
that
in
her
report,
but
if
we
have
somebody
leave,
we
cannot
replace
them
for
90
days
unless
we
pay
for
it
out
of
our
local
funds.
C
Pva
longevity.
That
was
one
of
the
things
that
I
saw
a
bullet
that
I
just
thought
this
information
was
interesting.
You
got
almost
1300
years
of
experience
in
your
pvas
across
the
commonwealth
right
now,
but
you
break
that
over
120
counties,
really
the
average
pva
is
only
halfway
through
their
third
term.
C
We
only
have
five
pvas
that
are
approaching
retirement
ability,
just
as
a
pva
having
served
25
years
or
greater.
We've
had
three
new
pvas
be
appointed
this
year.
Two
by
retirement
won
by
an
unfortunate
death,
and
so
I
will
say
that
1298
is
a
rounding.
We
had
a
pva
appointed
in
august
and
he's
according
those
numbers
he's
given
a
year's
credit,
so
you
could
probably
knock
that
down
a
couple
years,
so
50,
almost
half
of
our
pbas
51
pvas,
are
in
their
first
two
terms,
including
me.
C
We
also
have
592
allocated
or
that's
actually
a
typo,
it's
598
and
a
half
allocated
deputies,
but
we
don't
feel
anywhere
near
that
because
we
we
can't
afford
to
pay
them.
Our
shortfall
bill
would
be
through
the
roof.
If
we
filled
all
of
these
positions,
38
positions
have
since
2009
have
been
absorbed
and
we
can't
fill
those
anymore.
C
Let's
see
here,
budget
issues
just
to
reiterate
what
we've
been
talking
about.
State
allocation
does
not
fully
fund
we're
about
16
and
a
half
percent
short,
which
leaves
73
percent
of
our
county
in
city
allocation,
going
for
just
paying
payroll.
We
only.
A
C
25
of
our
local
allocation
to
pay
for
all
those
things
we
talked
about
previously.
Now
the
miscellaneous
income
is
under
attack.
One
thing
you
may
not
be
aware:
we've
got
six
pvas
that
are
named
defendants
in
a
lawsuit
right
now,
claiming
that
an
entity
should
not
have
to
pay
for
our
tax
roll,
and-
let
me
just
say
this:
if
we
are
not
successful
in
defending
that
lawsuit,
all
of
our
inc,
all
of
our
miscellaneous
income
dries
up.
It
goes
away
completely
so
and
that
that
accounts
for
about
twenty
three
thousand
dollars
a
year.
C
In
my
county
alone,
I
won't
be
able
to
survive
if
I
lose
that
money
or
if
it
doesn't
come
from
somewhere
else
and
just
a
couple
other
things
right
now
we
sell
data
to
these
big
companies.
We
tell
them
they.
They
enter
into
an
agreement
to
not
resell
our
information,
but
they
do.
We
don't
have
we
don't?
C
We
don't
have
the
the
budget
to
sue
these
companies
to
fight
to
fight
for
that,
for
that
lost
income
also
same
thing
with
our
aerial
imagery
people,
companies
will
buy
our
overhead
imagery
for
a
fee
and
then
resell
it.
Despite
our
contract
saying
otherwise,
so
our
miscellaneous
income
is
extremely
in
flux.
C
Right
now,
and
we
can't
discount
that,
especially
given
that
lawsuit,
some
of
that
could
dry
up
and
we
would
be
in
an
awful
position
just
to
say
show
what
we've
been
doing
to
these
fundings
and
we've
talked
about
this
before
there's
38
positions
that
have
been
eliminated
saves
about
a
million
and
a
half
a
year.
We've
got
a
90
day,
hiring
freeze
that
we
talked
about,
saves
650
000
a
year.
A
A
Okay,
hopefully
everybody
online
can
hear
us
again.
We
lost
our
internet
connection
and
we've
paused,
mr
powell,
so
you
hadn't
missed
anything
so
we'll.
Let
andrew
start
back
up
on
the
pva
response
to
the
funding
shortage.
Go
ahead.
C
Thank
you
senator.
So
we've
talked
about
most
of
these
things
and
to
talk
about,
we
said
there's
that
was
598
positions,
but
we
currently
have
almost
90
of
them.
As
of
last
year,
we
had
90
positions
not
being
filled
because
we
couldn't
afford
to
pay
them
out
of
our
local
funds,
and
so
we
we
never
want
to
come
to
you
and
just
ask
for
more
money.
We
never
want
to
show
them
hey
we're
not
doing
everything
we
can
and
b.
We
don't
have
useful
options
to
for
us
to
explore.
C
Now.
We've
always
talked
about
a
budget
allocation.
If
we
were
to
the
state's
gov,
the
state
government
state
rate
for
real
estate
has
been
12.2
for
the
last
few
years
in
the
in
the
70s.
It
was
in
the
30s
since
now
it's
12.2,
if
we
could
a
either
allocate
a
certain
number
three
cents
just
to
pvas
pay
pvas
what
they
bring
in.
That
would
make
us
that
would
bring
us
to
full
funding,
but
we
understand
that
nobody's
in
the
business
of
raising
taxes
right
now,
especially
given.
C
The
state
if
the
left
side
is
even
worse
because
that's
including
our
city,
but
the
right
side
is
our
county.
One
single
bill:
the
state
is
only
11.47
percent
and
the
county
is
only
12.03
percent.
It's
almost
exactly
20.
It
is
exactly
25
cents
on
a
dollar,
oh
six
tax
rate,
so
it's
24
of
the
total
bill
are
footing
all
of
our
are
paying
for
our
staff,
paying
for
anything
really
so.
We've
we've
introduced
the
idea
and
you'll
hear
the
term
spge
special.
I'm
not
saying
that
right.
C
Special
perfect
self
purpose
was
we're
government
entity,
but
that
doesn't
include
schools,
so
we'll
have
schools
have
their
own
taxing
statute,
so
we
do
include
schools
in
that
situation.
But
if
you
look
at
this,
if
we,
if
we
were
to
charge
a
fee
to
the
special
spges
based
on
a
percentage
of
their
gross
receipts,
just
at
six
percent
would
125
million
dollars.
C
C
B
C
C
We
you
know,
with
the
passage
of
senate
bill
5,
these
spgs
are
going
to
have
to
get
approval
by
their
fiscal
court
to
raise
their
rates.
They
can
raise
their
rates,
despite
what
you
may
hear,
but
they've
got
to
have
a
reason
to,
and
their
fiscal
court
has
to
approve
that
now,
which
I
think
was
a
good
move
by
the
general
assembly.
C
C
Our
job
is
to
objectively
assess
property,
and
then
we
hand
it
to
the
state
to
the
county,
to
the
city
and
through
dor,
to
the
spges
to
find
to
determine
what
their
rates
are.
We
don't
participate
in
that
end
of
it
by
design,
because
that's
the
right
thing
to
do,
there's
an
objectivity
that
needs
to
happen
in
our
office
that
separates
us
from
that
last
bullet
that
I
was
asked
to
touch
on
was
fee
charge
for
services,
and
we
talked
about
how
that
could
all
go
away.
C
Through
these
lawsuits
we
charge
for
copies
of
your
assessment
cards.
We
usually
give
it
for
free
if
you
own
the
property.
It's
your
your
information,
we'll
give
it
to
you.
We
charge
for
maps
of
properties.
People
want
to
know
where
their
property
lines
are,
and
while
we're
not
official
property
lines,
we
give
we
try
to
be
accurate.
So
we
try
to
help
people
out.
We
sell
our
annual
tax
files,
we
sell
gis
and
polygon
layers
to
entities
and
then,
of
course,
website
subscriptions.
C
Some
counties
don't
charge
for
the
website.
Most
counties
do
because
we
have
to
we've
got
to
generate
those
funds,
so
I
believe
that's
all
of
mine.
I've
flew
through
it
because
I
don't
want
to
take
any
more
time
to
this.
Take
any
more
of
this
committee's
time,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
may.
F
First
off,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
and
presenting
before
us
today.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions,
mr
chair.
If
I
may,
the
couple
things
you
mentioned,
you
alluded
to
what
I'm
assuming
is
the
dart
property
appraisals
that
the
big
commercial
industries
want
to
use.
You
know,
do
you
have
a
suggestion
on
how
we
can
resolve
that.
C
There
needs
to
be
some
inclusion
and
we
would
love
to
have
any
member
of
this
task
force
work
with
you
to
draft
a
bill
for
the
next
session
regarding
using
properties
at
their
current
and
best
use
value,
there's
no
type
of
of
assessing
or
appraisal
industry
that
doesn't
take
property
at
its
highest
and
best
use.
However,
all
of
these
big
corporate
entities
are
coming
at
us
with
empty
sales
and
that's
not
its
highest
and
best
use.
C
But
when
you
live
in
a
small
county
county
like
henderson
or
even
mo,
you
know,
I'm
considered
a
medium-sized
county,
they
don't
have
those
they
don't
have
comparable
sales.
You
know
that
happened
bill
and
I
both
had
a
same
company
appeal
or
mr
dunn,
and
I
both
had
the
same
company
appeal
this
year
and
we
we
didn't,
have
comp
good,
comparable
sales.
Now
we
both
succeeded
at
the
local
level,
but
I'm
sure
that
you
know
we
it's
yet
to
be
seen
whether
they'll
appeal
to
the
next.
F
C
F
F
Let
me
preempt
this
not
saying
you're
not
doing
your
job,
but
you're
not
allowed
financially
and
conditionally
to
do
your
job
to
the
fullest
because
of
the
limitations
of
what
you
have
so
with
that
in
perspective,
you
know
not
making
any
bad
accusations
against
pbas,
but
you
know
the
underfunding,
the
lack
of
enough
help.
You
know
all
across
the
board.
What
we've
been
looking
at.
You
know
you
guys
are
struggling
if
the
funds
were
available,
so
you
could
do
your
job
at
100.
F
C
Well,
I
think
that's
absolutely
right.
That's
that's
the
perfect
line
of
thinking
the
better.
Our
assessments
get
the
more
the
tax
roll
goes
up
and
the
burden
of
that
fee
goes
down
because
there's
more
money
in
the
role,
so
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
It's
I'm
not
a
I'm,
not
a
disguise
falling
kind
of
person,
but
when
you're
at
times,
when
you're
trying
to
do
some
of
your
work
with
your
hand
one
hand
tied
behind
your
back,
you
can
do
if
I
have.
F
All
of
that
do
you
do
you
see
any
savings
that
can
be
obtained
through
through
that
we've
looked
at
where
funding
could
come
from
other
places,
but
I
know
we've
got
a
state
land
office.
We've
got
a
state
gis
system
that
flies
every.
F
Actually,
it's
been
on
a
pretty
regular
basis
annually,
but
this
year
I
understand
they're
not,
but
they
do
not
offer
the
layers
that
you
have
or
they
don't.
They
don't
do
them
now,
but
my
understanding
in
discussions
with
them,
they
can
be
added
very
simple.
You
know
and
get
you
the
the
hd
and
the
things
that
you
need.
F
Do
you
see
that
there
might
be
a
cost
savings
rather
than
120
counties
going
out
and
getting
120
contracts
and
dealing
with
120
possible
different
entities
and
we're
already
doing
it
once
we're
duplicating
that
as
a
state
on
the
state
level?
You
know
do
you,
I
mean
I'd
use
that
as
an
example.
But
do
you
see
any
saving
cost
effective
suggestions?
I
hope
that
we
might
look
at.
C
I
I
absolutely
hope
so
now
I
I
will
take
a
pause
and
say
that
I
speak.
This
is
me
speaking
for
my
office.
I
don't
that's.
I
don't
necessarily
represent
the
other
119
pbas,
but
I'm
a
big
believer
that
the
bigger
the
bigger
buyer
gets
the
better
deal,
but
so
far,
what's
been
offered
to
us
by
state
gis
has
not
met
our
needs.
C
What
it
amounts
to,
and
I
won't
flood
you
with
information
about
aerial
imagery,
but
the
pixelation,
I
guess,
is
the
easy
way
to
break
it
down
for
you
how
closely
and
how
clear
it
is
for
my
office
to
get
useful
information
from
these
images.
It's
not
what
we're
being
offered
currently
now,
I'm
happy
to
engage
with
state
gis
and
mike
tackett
and
everybody
in
those
offices
and
cot
to
try
to
work
something
out,
but
right
now
what's
been
offered.
I
want
to
explore
it.
Yes,
absolutely.
F
I'm
sorry,
but,
as
you
can
tell,
this
is
sort
of
part
of
affiliated
with
my
profession,
and
it
is
something
I
understand
and
it
excites
me.
F
If
the
gate's
locked
you
can't
get
on
it,
you
know,
but
you
can
see
from
the
gis
there's
a
new
chicken
farm
or
a
building
or
whatever
there's
a
new
improvement
structure
of
some
type.
You
know
how:
how
can
we,
I
guess
it's
two
questions.
I'm
sorry
senator
mills,
but
you
know
one.
F
C
And
sort
of
a
two
to
two-fold
response
to
a
two-fold
question:
the
aerial
imagery
now
offers
and
you're
alluding
to
what
they
call
change,
finder,
which
you
take
your
old
aerial
imagery
and
your
new
aerial
imagery,
and
it
shows
you
the
differences.
C
So
you
know
when
there's
a
new
structure,
you
know
you
don't
have
to
fine-tune
the
so
many
hundred
square
miles.
Your
county
is
to
look
at
it,
which
is
great
for
structural
changes.
It
doesn't
quite
get
us
there,
no
matter
what
the
resolution
vertical
or
oblique
resolution
is,
doesn't
quite
get
us
there
for
condition.
C
I
mean
a
house
may
look
great
if
it's
had
a
new
roof
in
the
last
three
years,
but
if,
if
we
step
up
in
front
of
it,
pull
up
in
front
of
it
and
can
see
that
the
windows
are
broken
out
or
the
foundation
is
sagging
we're
not
quite
there
as
far
as
the
technology,
I
think
visual
in-person
inspection
still
plays
a
role.
C
I
think
technology
is,
is
definitely
helping
us
and
we're
getting
there,
but
I
think
I
think
they
both
still
play
a
very
important
part
aspect
of
what
we
do
now.
As
far
as
I
agree
with
you,
if
especially
out
in
western
kentucky,
if
there's
a
gate
locked,
I
tell
my
people
not
to
try,
because
I
don't
want
there's
no
telling
what
they're
going
to
find
on
the
other
end
and
but
there's
been
discussions
about.
Maybe
we
try
to
do
some
imagery
with
drones
or
something
like
that.
I'm
not.
C
C
So
every
you
know
everything
is
permitted,
except
for
on
big
farms.
Grain
bins,
don't
have
to
be
permitted.
A
lot
of
counties
out.
Don't
have
that
and
so
you're
right,
they're
they're
they're,
literally
looking
for
new
structures,
whereas
I'm
just
confirming
and
measuring
them,
and
that's
a
tall
task
for
a
lot
of
pva's
across
the
state.
G
B
G
A
G
Exactly
so
so
anyway,
I
have
a
few
things
I
want
to
say
and
try
to
condense
it
you
talk
about
generating
return
on
investment.
First
of
all,
your
data
is
so
important,
it's
very
important
to
so
many
entities,
as
as
you
laid
out
to
generate
taxes,
but
that's
not
really
re
generating
money
and
a
return
on
investment
so
for
to
put
a
percent
on
what
you
assess
is
is
kind
of
tough,
because
most
appraisal
fees
are
are
not
a
percent
there
they're
a
fee.
G
So
what
you
really
have
here
is
a
unfunded
mandate,
you're
required
by
law
to
do
all
this
and
and
you're
not
funded
enough
for
that,
and
without
some
kind
of
legislation,
your
miscellaneous
income
that
you
do
generate
and
some
that
you
could
generate
then
you're
not
able
to
do
that
without
certain
legislation.
That's
what
we're
kind
of
looking
at
here
so
that
that's
pretty
much
pretty
much.
G
What
I'm
seeing
is
we
really
need
your
data,
but
as
far
as
a
return
on
investment,
I
think
you
should
more
goal
that
this
is
the
fees
we
need
to
continue
to
do
our
job
and
then
for
ms
holt
I'd
like
to
for
her
to
explain
to
state
versus
county
on
how
your
people
are
paid.
G
I
understand
that
the
grades
that
you
that
you're
stuck
you're,
it's
the
salaries,
aren't
really
froze
your
grade
is
froze
and
the
salary
is
froze
because
the
grades
each
year
they're
supposed
to
get
three
to
five
percent
increase,
and
each
year
it
seems
like
we,
the
legislature,
freezes
that
and
doesn't
do
that.
So
that's
how
those
grades
are
frozen
in
their
salary.
If
I'm
not
mistaken.
B
Thank
you.
My
question
actually
goes
to
you
from
henderson
county.
Thank
you
for
coming
today.
We
appreciate
it
I'm
from
grayson
county.
I
represent
grayson
and
hardin
county,
so
I
appreciate
people
from
the
western
district
coming
up
here
making
their
way.
My
question
is
regards
to
software
that
the
pva
offices
use
I've.
I've
sat
down
with
both
the
hardin
county,
pva
and
grayson
county
pva
and
that's
a
discussion.
We've
had
previously
served
in
the
kentucky
general
assembly.
B
I
worked
at
the
kentucky
state
treasury
where
I
was
the
director
of
unclaimed
property
and
I
worked
with
different
states
regarding
software,
and
I
was
just
curious.
You
know
I
think
you
had
mentioned
when
representative
bridges
asked
his
question
about
the
the
mapping
that
you
know.
Sometimes
you
get
a
better
deal
to
the
best
buyer,
the
bigger
buyer,
and
so,
if
100,
if
all
120
counties
use
the
same
software,
do
you
think
that
that
would
be
well
tell
me
your
thoughts
on
that
sure.
C
Well,
as
far
as
the
aerial
imagery,
the
state
we
do,
we
can
opt
into
the
state's
esri
account.
Now
we
we
do
pay
for
it,
but
it
is.
I
mean
it,
it's
a
much
bigger
buying
option
and
it
is
usually
discounted.
I
don't
have
to
do
that
because
my
county
as
a
group,
has
it
and
it's
slightly
less
of
an
expense
for
me
so
yeah.
I
agree
with
that
wholeheartedly.
Now.
As
far
as
assessment
software
goes,
there's
there's
maybe
10
right
now
one
of
them
was
just
purchased
and
it's
maybe
on
his
way
out.
C
The
the
problem
with
it
is
it's
such
a
it's,
such
a
cog.
In
a
bigger
system.
My
software
works
with
my
county
clerk
works
with
my
sheriff
works
with
my
county
attorney
now
by
design.
My
software
does
not
integrate
with
them
just
because
the
county
clerk
and
the
sheriff
and
the
county
attorney
don't
need
to
be
able
to
change
anything
about
my
software.
C
I
I
if
we,
if
we
had
and
and
I'll
say
this,
some
some
pvas
love
their
software.
I
I've
tried
other
systems.
Honestly,
the
price
is
what
controls
henderson
county,
bigger
counties,
david
o'neill
in
fayette
county,
I'm
pretty
sure
he
designed
his
own
and
but
he's
got
the
manpower
and
the
acuity
to
do
that
kind
of
kind
of
thing.
B
Started
thinking
about
that,
after
my
conversations,
because
there
were
probably
three
different
softwares
on
the
market
for
unclaimed
property-
and
you
know,
each
state
decided
what
they
did
and
you
know
who
could
the
better
deal.
But
then,
just
because
of
uniform
laws,
we
ended
up,
there's
basically
one
or
two
softwares
that
most
people
began
to
use,
and
so
I
just
wondered
if
that
was
similar
among
the
120
counties.
A
Well,
andrew,
thank
you
so
much
and
if
you
can
hang
out
here,
we
may
have
questions
at
the
end,
but
we
will
let
the
next
group
come
on
up
and
next
up
is
going
to
be
the
public
libraries
from
kenton
county
and
oldham
county.
We
have
mr
dave
schroeder,
jessica
powell,
mr
schroeder's,
from
kenton
county
up
north
and
miss
pyle
is
from
oldham
county
right
down
the
road.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
just
a
reminder
why
you
are
getting
settled.
You
know
we
are.
A
We
are
just
taking
information
and
we
want
you
guys
since
y'all
been
mentioned
already
today,
to
give
your
side
of
the
story
from
the
libraries
and
you
kind
of
you're
kind
of
representing
the
libraries
for
us,
but
we
will
not
make
any
decisions
here
and
it'll
be
into
our
legislative
session
before
any
decisions
are
made.
But
please
take
the
next
12
or
15
minutes
here
to
go
through
your
presentation
and
then
we
may
have
a
few
questions
afterwards.
A
So
I'll,
let
either
of
you
start
and
you
can
remove
your
mask
if
you'd
like
to
talk.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
all
for
having
us
here
we're
very
appreciative
of
being
able
to
address
the
committee.
So
thank
you.
As
I
said,
my
name
is
dave.
Schruter,
I'm
director
of
the
kenton
county,
public
library
and
I'm
chair
of
our
advocacy
committee
and
jessica
powell,
is
the
director
of
the
oldham
county
public
library
and
is
our
incoming
public
library
association
president.
So
we
are
here
today
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
libraries.
E
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
basically
libraries
that
are
spges
most
of
us
are
spges,
not
all
of
us,
so
there
are
outliers,
louisville
and
lexington
are
are
not
specifically
spges,
so
canton
county,
where
I'm
from
is
the
largest
spge
library,
and
then
we
have
some
smaller
libraries
that
are
not
taxing
districts,
so
they
are
not
spgs,
so
it
comes
out
to
be
about
112
or
so
of
us
that
are
spgs.
E
Just
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we're
funded
we're
almost
entirely
funded
through
property
taxes,
so
what
people
pay
on
their
property,
their
their
homes,
their
businesses
and
their
and
their
vehicles.
E
We
do
not
receive
payroll
taxes,
we
do
not
receive
taxes
on
insurance
on
any
other
utilities,
etc,
and
so
our
our
tax
rate
is
limited
to
property
taxes.
I
will
say
too
that,
as
long
as
I've
been
around
and
I've
been
around
a
long
time,
we
have
never
asked
for
additional
revenue
from
other
taxing
sources,
so
property
taxes
is
what
we
have
relied
on
and
what
we
continue
to
rely
on
senate
bill.
5
did
limit
spges
to
the
compensating
rate
we
can
ask
for
more
than
that,
but
have
to
have
fiscal
court
approval.
E
Realistically,
what
that
means
for
most
spges
is
that
in
this
current
economic
situation,
most
fiscal
courts
are
not
going
to
approve
higher
than
a
compensating
rate.
In
most
cases
is
my
opinion
just
because
of
the
economic
situation
we're
in
at
this
point
and
and
all
all
government
entities
are
going
to
be
struggling
and
it's
not
going
to
get
easier.
It's
going
to
get
tougher
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
E
Other
libraries
that
are
not
spges
receive
no
funding
whatsoever
through
the
the
current
measures
that
we're
talking
about.
So
how
do
how
do
pva?
How
do
we
use
pva
data
is
basically
we
use
it
to
set
our
tax
rates,
so
the
pva
sends
a
valuation
to
the
the
revenue
cabinet
data
is
forward
to
the
department
for
library
and
archives.
E
In
our
case,
the
department
for
library
and
archives
calculates
the
compensating
rate
and
any
other
alternative
rate.
So
that's
all
done
through
the
kentucky
department
for
library
and
archives.
In
our
case,
we're
not
reliant
on
another
party
to
do
that.
For
us
we
set
the
tax
rate
reported
to
the
fiscal
court.
We
notify
the
revenue
cabinet
and
the
county
clerk.
E
So
in
general
we
really
do
not
have
a
whole
lot
of
contact
with
our
our
pvas
sheriff,
of
course,
sends
out
the
bills.
County
clerk
collects
some
of
those
taxes
for
us
as
well.
We
do
we
do
pay
a
small
fee
to
the
county
clerk
and
the
sheriff
for
those
two
services.
They
provide
us.
E
We
have
been
under
financial
constraints
as
well.
I
really
appreciate
our
pva
in
kenton
county.
She
has
done
an
excellent
job.
They're
very
efficient,
they're,
very
effective,
no
problems
with
our
pvas,
and
I
think,
if
you
would
talk
to
any
library
director
in
the
state,
they
would
give
you
a
similar
answer.
So
this
is
not.
E
We
are
not
battling
the
pvas,
that's
not
our
intent.
That's
not
what
we
want
we're
here
to
provide
you
with
information
and
answer
your
questions.
E
So
some
of
the
fiscal
challenges
that
we
are
facing,
I
think,
are
very
similar
to
what
you've
probably
heard
from
lots
of
government
groups.
E
Most
of
us
are
using
state
aid
to
either
help
us
provide
staffing
or
to
buy
materials.
I
know
there
are
a
number
of
libraries
in
kentucky
that
are
using
their
state
aid
entirely
for
their.
It
is
their
book
budget,
so
you
can
imagine
if
they
lose
their
state
aid
they're
losing
their
book
budget.
So
it
is
a
significant
problem
for
many
libraries
in
kentucky.
E
We
are
facing
the
same
pension
issues.
Everyone
else
is
a
lot
of
times.
I
I
talk
about
pensions,
and
I
get
incredulous
looks
back
at
me
because
people
don't
understand
most
public
libraries
are
in
the
pension
plan.
We
are
part
of
the
kentucky
retirement
system,
so
we
are
facing
the
same
challenges.
Everyone
else
is
in
that
regard.
E
E
All
the
grand
funding
that
used
to
come
through
kdla
over
the
years
that
we
would
get
technology
grants,
for
instance,
which
helped
a
lot
of
our
rural
and
poorer
library
districts
provide
technology.
All
of
those
in
the
last
decade
have
dried
up.
There
is
no
direct
granting
from
kdla
which
used
to
exist.
When
I
first
became
director,
those
grants
were
available,
they
are
gone,
kdla's
staff
has
been
slashed
like
most
state
agencies
have,
and
so
the
support
we
are
getting
from
them
has
been
reduced
greatly.
E
We
are
being
asked
to
do
more
with
internet
and
broadband
services
to
our
community
and
I
think
that's
important.
We
talked
about
salaries
with
the
pva.
E
I
can
tell
you
in
in
many
public
libraries
across
the
state
of
kentucky
our
clerks,
so
our
our
entry-level
full-time
staff
are
making
somewhere
in
the
mid-20s
as
a
regular
salary.
So
people
are
not
entering
the
library
field
to
become
rich
they're
they're
entering
the
library
field
because
they
love
libraries.
They
love
our
mission.
They
love
what
we
do,
so
we
are
certainly
not
in
the
position
to
pay
significant
salaries
either
and
also,
I
think
the
other
issue
that
comes
up
a
lot
is
multiple
formats:
equal,
multiple
costs.
E
For
years
we
were
asked
to
provide
books,
physical
materials,
now
we're
being
asked
to
provide
electronic
materials,
so
databases,
ebooks
people,
think
that
we
buy
ebooks
the
way
you
buy
an
ebook.
You
may
go
online
and
buy
the
latest
bestseller
for
ten
dollars
online.
E
They
will
charge
us
as
libraries,
eighty-five
dollars
per
copy
forty-five
dollars
per
copy,
sometimes
if
you're
lucky-
and
we
do
not
keep
that
item
forever.
E
Most
of
the
publishers
will
only
sell
to
libraries
at
a
rate
that
is
based
on
either
so
many
checkouts
so
many
times
it's
26
checkouts
and
then
the
book
disappears
and
we
have
to
rebuy
it
or
it
will
be
available
for
a
year
or
two
years
and
we
have
to
rebuy
it
some
of
those
we
do
not
rebuy,
but
if
there's
a
series,
I'm
reading
a
series
right
now,
that's
54
books,
long
right
now,
I'm
on
number
55.
E
E
H
Thank
you
all
again
for
having
us
here
today
to
talk
about
my
favorite
subject:
public
libraries
I'd
just
like
to
share
with
you
davis,
talked
about
our
funding
constraints
that
we
are
under.
We
in
the
last
six
months
have
reinvented
how
we
serve
our
public
covet
has
radically
shifted
how
we
think
about
every
single
thing
that
we
do.
H
Libraries
have
always
supported
the
economy
by
online
resume
help
job
applications,
we've
had
wonderful
partnerships
with
the
kentucky
career
centers,
because
those
have
been
eliminated
locally.
Libraries
have
absorbed
a
lot
of
that
over
time.
Now
that
so
many
folks
are
out
of
work.
Libraries
are
critically
important
in
putting
kentucky
back
to
work
after
covid.
The
lady
in
this
photograph
was
actually
the
first
patron
through
our
doors
when
we
reopened
to
the
public.
At
the
end
of
june.
H
She
had
been
waiting
all
of
that
time
to
file
her
taxes,
because
she
was
waiting
on
her
stimulus
check.
She
couldn't
get
her
stimulus
check
without
filing
her
taxes.
She
couldn't
do
it
on
her
phone
and
she
was
out
of
work
as
well
and
to
have
her
waiting
there
as
soon
as
the
doors
opened
to
be
able
to
use
library,
computers,
library,
internet,
to
take
care
of
those
things
was
critically
important.
H
He
spoke
english
as
a
second
language
and
struggled
horribly
with
trying
to
use
the
unemployment
website,
so
I
spent
four
hours
with
him
over
the
course
of
two
days,
helping
him
fill
it
out
and
provide
all
of
his
identity
verification
documents
so
that
he
could
at
least
get
that
process
started
and
try
and
get
some
support.
While
he's
looking
for
work
actively
again,
we
are
also
supporting
educators
and
families
learning
at
home.
I
know
that
you
all
know
the
word
for
nti
and
vla.
H
They
have
thrown
everybody
in
kentucky
for
a
loop
and
everybody
in
this
country,
and
families
need
tons
of
support
right
now,
they're
working
at
home,
they're
teaching
their
kids
as
well.
That's
two
full-time
jobs
and
our
teachers
are
reinventing
how
they're
delivering
education
all.
At
the
same
time,
libraries
have
stepped
up
to
the
plate
massively
to
support
our
families
at
home.
We're
now
actively
we've
always
supported
homeschool
education,
but
now
we've
bought
additional
online
products,
we've
most
libraries
across
the
state.
H
If
they
have
the
funding,
we've
redirected
some
of
our
budget
for
online
tutoring,
not
everybody
can
tutor
their
child
in
calculus
at
home.
I
know
that
I
cannot
tutor
mine
now
we're
using
live
online
products
like
that
to
try
and
support
families
and
fill
in
some
of
those
gaps
until
we
get
back
to
a
more
normal
educational
cycle.
All
of
those
things
cost
lots
of
money,
the
one
libraries
that
have
been
fortunate
enough
to
redirect
some
budgets
we
can,
but
in
other
places
those
services
are
just
not
available.
H
Some
of
the
hands-on
learning
at
home
activities
that
we've
been
working
on,
these
might
look
like
cute
crafts,
but
we
have
been
doing.
Libraries
across
the
state
have
been
doing
take-home
kits
one
because
a
lot
of
families
don't
have
the
money
to
buy
these
things.
Two.
They
don't
have
transportation
to
the
store,
they're
not
available
in
their
area
or
three.
They
just
don't
have
the
time
to
put
together
cute
activities
for
their
kids
that
are
also
educational,
so
just
to
show
you
that
little
girl
decorating
that
cookie
there.
What
she's?
H
H
The
kids
can
actually
interrupt
interact
with
ms
shannon
and
sing
songs
with
her
while
she's
reading
the
story,
the
parents
can
still
communicate
with
her,
but
all
of
those
services
take
twice
as
long
to
do
because
now
we're
delivering
them
in
a
digital
format
and
suddenly,
overnight,
we've
had
to
become
youtube
stars,
and
you
know
digital
production
managers
to
make
all
of
this
technology
work.
None
of
us
had
used
zoom
when
march
15th
happened
and
everything
closed
down.
H
We'll
skip
the
outdoor
community
programs,
but
you
can
see
here
that
our
story
times
getting
kids
out
getting
families
out
to
experience
the
community
in
a
safe
way
during
covid,
while
we're
all
still
being
very
careful,
is
incredibly
important.
Social
isolation
is
taking
a
toll
across
age
groups,
everybody's
very
worried
about
the
kids
not
going
back
to
school,
but
we're
worried
about
our
seniors
and
everybody
else
as
well.
H
So
I
think
these
are
just
some
of
the
things
that
libraries
across
the
state
have
come
up
with
to
bring
people
out
and
keep
them
engaged
these
photos
here.
The
lady
ladies
in
the
upper
left,
putting
together
those
sanitizer
dispensers,
they're
doing
that
because
they
had
to
lay
off
their
entire
facilities
and
maintenance
staff,
and
so
those
are
the
part-time
folks
jumping
in
as
always
to
make
the
library
work.
Those
bags
on
the
right,
that's
3,
000
items
that
were
waiting
in
our
lagrange
location
to
be
picked
up
when
we
reopened
for
drive-through
service.
E
E
In
addition
to
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
we
went
from
having
no
online
programming
to
having
a
full
session
of
programs
ready
in
the
next
week
again
that
takes
manpower
that
takes
money
that
takes
resources.
G
G
First,
I,
like
dave,
how
you
put
the
pva
task
force
to
let
us
know
of
your
woes,
which
they
are
so
and
how
important,
but
something
it's
very
important
for
the
state
to
help
fund
the
small
libraries,
because
they
they
need
that
and
there's
three
or
four
ways
that
we
do,
that
one
is
construction
loans,
backing
those
construction
loans
absolutely
and
what
the
a
r
committee
which
I'm
on
and,
of
course,
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
do
things,
and
I
was
explaining
it
to
the
libraries
because
they
kept
saying
bullet
county,
where
I'm
from
jefferson
county
are
sitting
on
a
lot
of
cash
they're,
not
really
sitting
on
it,
they're
using
it
for
construction,
but
in
the
small
counties
they
don't
have
the
base
the
property
tax
base
to
be
able
to
do
things,
and
you
are
correct
those
libraries
out
in
where
they're,
I'm
not
going
to
say
most
need
it,
because
they're
needed
everywhere,
they're
going
to
go,
go
under
because
they
don't
have
the
property
tax
base
and
we're
not
supplying
the
state
funds
that
we
were
or
the
backing
from
the
kdla.
G
So
that's
something
that
is,
I
wanted
to
make
that
point:
you're
no
longer,
not
just
books.
I
even
have
my
wife
says:
well,
why
do
we
need
libraries
anymore?
We
just
get
online
or
this
that
y'all
are
doing
a
great
job
of
transitioning
into
things.
G
It's
a
bad
kept
secret
or
a
best
kept
secret,
a
secret
that
shouldn't
be
how's
that
and
what
you
all
are,
and
I
work
very
hard
with
the
registered
apprenticeship
and
things
where
you're
talking
about
the
career
centers,
to
be
able
to
combine
the
libraries,
because
when
I
first
started
we
went
to
libraries
and
they
said
they
had.
G
G
Is
that
right
I
have
to
well,
I
have
to
come
up
and
see
that,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
that
I
understand
what
you
need
and
that
you
can't
afford
necessarily
to
pay
the
pva
who
is
talking
about.
They
need
the
funds
to
be
able
to
give
you
the
data
that
to
collect
your
taxes.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
F
Well,
I
agree
with
representative
nemes
on
some
things
that
you
know
the
smaller
communities
with
the
lower
tax
base
are
really
struggling
and
everything,
but
the
larger
communities
I
mean
for
kenton
county.
What
kind
of
reserves
is
your
library
sitting
on.
E
We
have
a
policy
where
we
keep
three
months
in
reserve.
I
can't
tell
you
exactly:
what's
there
now,
but
we
try
to
keep
three
months
reserved
and
I'll.
Give
you
an
example
as
to
why,
last
year,
this
past
fiscal
year,
we
had
our
hvac
at
our
erlanger
branch,
which
is
the
busiest
library
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
was
going
bad.
So
we
had
them,
go
up
and
look
at
it.
The
roof
was
also.
We
were
having
leaks
that
was
500
a
little
over
500
000.
E
Now
I
have
two
options
there.
One
is,
I
can
go,
get
a
loan,
which
means
I'm
paying
interest
and
spending
more
tax
payer
dollars,
or
I
can
have
some
reserves
sitting
there
so
that
when
those
things
happen,
I
can
pay
for
them
and
in
the
long
run,
we're
saving
taxpayer
money
and
I
think
a
good
parallel
to
this
is
in
northern
kentucky.
Just
recently,
a
city
was
talking
about
replacing
a
fire
engine.
They
had
just
replaced
the
fire
engine
every
time
they
replaced
the
fire
engine
the
next
year.
E
E
So
when
computers
go
when
a
server
goes,
we
have
to
pay
to
replace
it
and
we
usually
can't
wait
if
a
server
dies.
You
know
you
have
to
replace
that
server.
So.
E
That
would
have
been
at
the
end
of
probably
at
the
end
of
june,
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
and
you
have
to
remember
how
libraries
are
funded
and
how
spges
are
funded.
Most
of
our
money
comes
in
september,
october
and
november,
so
from
or
excuse
me,
october
november
december
so
january,
through
the
next
september,
we're
living
off
what
we
raised
mostly
for
those
three
months
so,
depending
on
when
you
look
at
our
budget,
it
will
be
higher
or
lower,
we
do
have.
E
We
do
have
reserves,
yes,
and
I
think
some
counties
have
larger
reserves
than
others.
We
have
several
projects
that
we
have
in
line
that
we've
been
working
on,
and
planning
for,
and
saving
for.
One
is
our
oldest
branch,
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
remodeling
on.
E
E
A
A
If
they
don't
get
that,
if
you
could
get
our
committee
that
that
would
be
great
to
know
the
next
is,
if
you
could,
let
us
know
what
the
fee,
what
is
the
fee
that
the
libraries
pay
to
the
county
clerks
and
the
sheriff's?
Is
that
a
standard
fee
across
the
board
or
how
is
that
set
per
county
or
per
district.
A
A
I
think
just
some
kind
of
report
back
to
us
to
let
us
know
kind
of
what
that
what
that
average
is
so
we
would
know
by
the
end
of
the
interim,
would
be
great
and
then
the
next.
The
final
question
is,
you
mentioned
the
20
hours
of
ce,
of
commun,
continuing
education.
A
When
was
that
put
in
statute,
and
and
do
you
think
that
that
is
still
necessary,
or
do
you
think
that
is
that
something
you
do
locally
or
do
you
think
that's
something
you
could
do
within
your
library
to
still
be
efficient
at
that
or
how?
I
guess
the
question
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
just
for
you
guys
how
how
much
cost,
how
much
time
is
involved
in
continuing
education
and
is
that
necessary
for
every
employee.
E
I
know
I've
been
working
at
the
kenton
county
library
since
1986
and
I
know
it
was
in
place.
Then
it
has
evolved
over
the
years
and
we
can
do
in-house
training
as
well.
So,
for
instance,
when
we
have
staff
day
there
are
multiple
training
sessions
that
everyone
participates
in
which
counts
towards
that,
and
we
are
proposing
the
the
state
archives
and
records
commission,
which
has
a
new
name
that
I
can't
think
of
at
the
moment,
is
presenting
some
new
regulations
to
change
some
of
those
ce
requirements.
E
A
Right,
okay,
very
good
and
senator
harper
angel's
online.
She
has
a
question
for
you:
senator.
B
Asked
my
question
about
the
fee
to
the
county
clerk
and
the
sheriff,
but
I'd
also
like
to
know
how
that
fee
was
calculated
and
how
long
it's
been
in
existence.
A
Very
good,
okay,
if
y'all
could
report
back
to
us
like
I
said
our
our
report
to
the
lrc
is
due
in
december,
so
just
you
have
a
couple
months
to
get
information
back
to
ms
hayes.
A
Well
thank
y'all!
So
much
for
your
input
and
if
you
want
to
hang
on
here
just
in
case
there's
questions
here
at
the
end,
our
final
presenter
is
all
online.
So
we'll
pull
him
up,
hopefully
he's
still
hanging
on
there.
Chief
adam
jones.
Are
you
online.
A
You
very
much
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
persistence
and
hanging
on
here.
We
got
15
or
20
minutes,
so
if
you
could
do
maybe
10
or
12
minutes
where
we
have
a
few
minutes
at
the
end
to
ask
questions
that
would
be
awesome.
I
I
will
get
those
real,
quick
and
I
I've
got
some
stuff.
In
fact,
the
library
board
really
helped
because
we
kind
of
work
on
the
same
principle
using
the
tax
roads.
I
And
I'll
take
a
side
mode
and
applaud
alderman
county's
library,
I'm
an
old
county
veteran
I've
got
200
kids
appreciated
the
help
tremendously,
since
they've
been
homeschooled
to
do
the
eyes
since
march
of
this
year,
with
kovac
going
on.
So
really
thank
the
services
they've
done
and
I'll
also
echo
what
they
said
about
the
pva
and
feeling
the
pain
that
they
experience
with
increased
cost
with
limited
revenues,
continue
to
have
increasing
regulation
training.
All
of
our
members.
Firefighters,
are
required.
I
100
hours
a
year
of
continuing
education,
put
on
as
a
professional
firefighter
through
the
fire
commission,
and
we
continue
to
battle
those
increased
costs
with
very
limited
revenue.
In
fact,
our
tax
rate
is
capped
at
10
cents
per
hundred,
which
was
established
in
1944
about
stat
krs-75,
and
it
was
really
established
at
that
point
in
time.
If
you
can
go
all
the
way
back
to
then
as
volunteer
only
fire
departments,
the
problem
will
continue
to
include
our
services
over
the
time.
I
Just
an
increase
nationwide
from
2008
to
2018
is
about
65
percent
increase
in
volume
a
lot
of
times.
People
talk
about
our
fires
have
gone
down.
Their
fires
have
gone
down,
but
our
medical
calls
and
other
services
have
increasingly.
I
Increased
and
like
they
they,
I
will
echo
what
they
said.
We
continue
to
have
the
same
administrative
increase,
call
health
insurance
training,
not
to
mention
the
pension.
Crs
is
a
continual
increase
of
12
per
year
and
it
continues
to
be
absorbed
within
those
strapped
budgets
that
were
established
on
that
10
cents.
Cap,
like
I
stated,
we
collect
kind
of
the
same
principle
as
the
library
board.
Those
tax
rolls
come
in.
That
is
the
limited
time
that
we
do
seek
assistance
from
pva.
I
They
provide
us,
those
uncertified
tax
numbers
and
it's
trying
to
provide
those
certified
tax
rolls
for
us
to
build
budgets
on
continue
to
ask,
and
once
again
I
hate
to
keep
stealing
the
slides
from
the
library
board,
but
it's
kind
of
the
same
thing:
we're
asking
to
tax
other
small
agencies
that
are
by
statute
put
out
there
to
provide
services
instead
of
back
and
putting
undue
burden
on
us.
I
We
we
don't
have
a
way
to
increase
revenue.
Almost
100
percent
of
all
of
our
revenue
is
done
through
there.
Some
small
revenue
that
my
small
district
doesn't
do.
Rv
inspections
for
the
state
fire
medical
office.
That's
a
set!
60
dollar
fee
and
once
again,
that's
set
by
statute,
and
I
think
we
generated
about
500
last
year
from
those
services.
So
it's
very
limited
additional
revenues
for
us
outside
that
tax
base
itself-
and
you
know
just
the
pva's.
I
A
strain
is
the
same
strain
we're
all
feeling
when
it
comes
to
this
and
in
fact,
in
jefferson
county.
I
know
the
pba
did
not
do
reassessments
this
year.
One
of
the
districts
I
represent.
I
So
we
continue
to
to
get
to
that
and
the
bottom
line
is,
we
simply
can't
afford
these
increased
revenue
or
increased
cost
without
increased
revenue
and
the
tax
cap
that
exists
for
our
current
situation
at
svge,
and
we
continue
to
absorb
other
administrative
and
operational
costs
and
districts
now
to
face
issue
where
they're
starting
to
limit
services
they're
having
to
look
at
laying
off
staff
or
reducer
back
into
the
community,
and
it's
really
a
conflict
in
public
safety
itself.
I
I
I
I
think
the
fire
service
would
more
than
willing
to
be
able
to
support
legislation
to
once
again
support
the
pva
as
a
as
as
said,
an
unfunded
mandate
put
on
them
to
produce
stuff
for
revenue,
and
it
just
creates
an
undue
burden
on
the
other
svges
that
don't
have
the
ability
to
then
increase
that
revenue
to
cover
that
cost
as
chapter
75
districts
are
capped.
I
know
not
all
svgrs,
but
the
fire
districts
are
capped
at
that.
A
A
Any
of
our
members,
our
committee,
have
any
questions
for
chief
this
time.
Representative
bridges
has
a
couple
questions
here.
He
said
one,
but
I
said
a
couple
so.
F
Hey,
thank
you
chairman.
I
appreciate
you
being
here
and
testifying
before
us.
You
had
mentioned
a
pva
that
was
not
able
to
get
their
all
their
assessments
done
and
they
left
money
on
the
table.
Can
you
refresh
that,
for
me.
I
So
we
we
met
with
jefferson
county
pba.
In
fact
they
sat
in
on
our
chiefs
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
just
because
of
co-ed
restrictions
and
issues
throughout
jefferson
county,
the
current
climate
in
jefferson
county.
They
did
not
do
their
zone
of
reassessments
this
year.
I
Now,
what
they've
assured
is
they're
going
to
catch
up
into
a
two
assessment
zones
next
year,
but
really
what
that
means
for
every
svge
when
that
assessment
wasn't
done,
that
increase
did
not
go
into
place
this
year,
based
on
that
10
cents
per
100
or
whatever
that
rate's
at
so.
For
that
one
particular
district,
there
was
a
loss
of
a
350
000
budget
increase
this
year,
even
though
their
cost
went
up
without
any
revenue
increase,
because
that
assessment
wasn't
done
and
really
that's
lost
table
on
the
money
power.
That's
lost
money
on
the
table.
I
F
Well,
that
that's
what
I
thought
so,
but
I
guess
my
thing
we're
we're
just
assessing
this
right.
Now
no
decisions
been
made
as
senator
mills
is
his
head
and
everything.
F
But
we
we
go
back
to
the
question
that
resonates
with
me
is:
if
the
pvas,
who
do
the
actual,
assessing,
cannot
get
the
full
assessments
done,
we're
leaving
money
on
the
table
and
if
we
could
bring
more
money
back
to
the
table,
then
what
small
amount
might
possibly
be
charged
to
the
special
taxing
districts
would
be
made
up
in
increased
revenue
because
of
the
volume
would
go
up
to
offset
that
if
you,
if
you
sort
of
see
what
I'm
saying,
because
we
and-
and
I
don't
know-
but
I'm
just
you
know
it's-
you
know
just
just
sharing
that
thought,
a
part
of
that,
because
it's,
I
don't
think
we're
out
to
add,
take
away
anything
from
anyone.
F
But
sometimes
it's
sort
of
the
old
saying
you
got
to
spend
money,
make
money,
and
sometimes
that
works
in
this
way,
because
if
we
can't
fully
assess
the
property,
we
don't
get
the
full
evaluations.
Now
there
is
literally
we've
already
had
one
pva.
That
said,
due
to
their
limitations,
they
did
were
not
able,
if
I'm
correct,
could
not
even
touch
their
commercial
property
for
that
year.
F
I
And
get
a
very
complex
issue
and
I
think
the
things
and
to
speak
of
my
district
I've
got
a
very
urbanized
district
that
borders
the
city
of
louisville.
I
had
an
assessment
three
years
ago
and
60
of
my
properties
actually
went
down
in
value
during
that
reassessment.
So
it's
my
my
cost
didn't
go
down.
My
costs
went
the
same
as
everybody
else,
but
because
of
the
area
in
which
we
protect
a
lot
of
those
properties
becoming
dilapidated,
their
property
values
actually
dropped.
C
C
She
reorganized
that
four-year
structure,
so
she,
instead
of
doing
a
quarter
each
year,
she's
going
to
do
half
next
year.
Now
I
do
want
to
point
out.
There
was
no
deficit
here.
It
just
didn't
go
up
as
much
as
it
usually
does.
It
absolutely
went
up
this
year.
There
was
no
loss
on
that.
She,
she
included
all
new
construction,
all
new
property,
all
new
transfers.
She
just
didn't
do
her
quarterly
assessing
for
this
year.
She
got
approval
by
dor
to
do
to
reorganize
her
four
year
plan
to
do
half
of
it
next
year.
C
A
Good,
okay,
any
other
questions
we're
right
at
our
time
here
I
would,
if
you
want
to,
if,
if
we've
tasked
all
the
libraries
with
the
information
or
if
you
have
something
that
pops
up
in
your
mind,
that
you
wanted
to
share-
and
you
didn't-
you
forgot
to
share
whatever
feel
free
to
pop
miss
hazel
email
and
we
can
she'll
share
it
amongst
the
committee
and
we'll
we
will
be
putting
all
this
together
in
our
findings
and
everything
in
november
and
december.
A
So
I
think
this
is
a
very
productive
meeting
I
think
we've
covered.
I
mean.
We've
talked
about
some
of
the
same
things
we
talked
about
in
our
last
couple
meetings,
but
I
think
we've
covered
a
little
bit
of
new
information
as
well.
So
thank
you
all
for
traveling
here.
Thank
you,
legislators
and
those
folks
online.
So
be
careful
going
home.