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Great
thank
you
well
good
morning
to
everyone:
alicia
webb
edgington,
a
former
colleague
of
the
chairman,
and
delighted
to
be
back
in
the
annex
building.
It
seems
a
bit
odd
sitting
here,
but
I
always
enjoy
coming
and
visiting.
I
am
now
the
president
and
ceo
of
life
learning
center.
We
are
a
non-profit
located
in
covington
kentucky
and
I
was
honored.
E
E
We
are
a
non-profit
that
works
with
the
at-risk
in
the
community,
individuals
that
have
suffered
some
boundary,
some
barrier,
some
issue
that
has
not
allowed
them
to
continue
to
earn
at
a
living
wage,
whether
that
is
being
involved
in
the
criminal
justice,
ecosystem
or
substance,
use
disorder
or
mental
health
issue,
and
so
what
we
do
at
life
learning
centers.
We
have
a
12-week
education
and
care
continuum
that
we
put
individuals
through
in
five
barriers
of
life
and
they're
listed
here:
physical,
financial,
spiritual,
relational
and
emotional.
The
spiritual
is
not
ideological.
E
E
As
many
of
you
all
know,
I'm
retired
kentucky
state
trooper,
and
I
had
a
lot
of
folks
that
wanted
to
change
when
they
were
in
the
backseat
of
a
cruiser
headed
to
detention
center.
We
would
call
that
an
emotional
change.
What
I'm
talking
about
is
a
serious
look
at
yourself
in
the
mirror
and
say
I
am
exhausted
with
this
life.
I
want
to
do
something
different
and
to
do
that.
It
takes
a
cognitive
change
and
switch
in
behavior.
That
is
not
something
that
happens
overnight.
E
It's
a
long,
arduous
process,
and
I
would
love
to
sit
here
and
tell
you
that
of
the
people
that
go
through
our
program.
We
graduate
100
percent,
but
that
would
be
a
lie.
That's
not
factual!
We
graduate
68
of
the
people
that
go
through
the
program,
because
it
is
a
very
disciplined
approach
to
what
we
do.
E
Individuals
that
come
to
us
must
have
stable
housing
and
we
set
them
up.
We
will
help
them
find
that
stable
housing,
one
of
our
good
partners,
is
kentucky
access
to
recovery.
So
I
want
to
thank
the
legislature
for
funding
those
opportunities,
because
it
allows
individuals
that
are
being
released
from
detention
that
do
suffer
substance,
use
disorder
to
have
seven
weeks
of
sober
living
so
that
we
can
get
them
started.
We
can
get
them
an
id
and
we
can
start
them
on
a
journey
to
get
employment
at
a
living
wage.
E
In
addition
to
that,
we
do
serve
individuals
that
are
medically
assisted
treatment
needs.
I
know
that
is
a
debate
in
the
general
assembly
for
those
individuals
that
are
abstinence,
complete
abstinence.
We
obviously
serve
those
as
well,
but
if
they're
under
the
care
of
a
physician
and
are
receiving
medically
assisted
treatment,
we
do
serve
those
individuals.
E
This
is
a
visual.
I
always
say
that
you
can
sit
and
hear
me
talk
about
education
and
care,
but
when
you
see
a
visual
of
what
does
that
12
weeks?
Look
like
this
is
what
the
12
weeks
look
like
and
you
the
green,
is
the
education
piece
and
all
of
that
is
taught
by
volunteers
from
our
community.
E
We
could
not
do
what
we
do
at
life
learning
center
on
the
budget
that
we
have
were
it
not
for
volunteers
in
the
community
willing
to
come
into
our
program.
They
go
through
a
very
stringent
and
strict
six
weeks
of
onboarding
to
learn
to
teach
the
curriculum.
It
is
trademarked
and
copyrighted,
and
then,
but
you
know,
the
one
thing
that
I
like
to
remind
everybody
is
if
you're
sitting
in
class-
and
you
can't
see
the
board
because
you
don't
have
a
pair
of
eyeglasses-
that's
a
problem,
and
so
the
blue,
which
is
the
care
continuum.
E
Those
are
all
the
non-profits
that
we
work
with
that
help
us
to
take
care
of
the
care
for
the
individuals
and
what
they
need.
And
again
I
can't
speak
enough
about
the
non-profits
that
help
us.
We've
got
over
138
non-profits
that
we
collaborate
with
they're
all
through
formalized
agreements.
We
do
that
with
an
mou
to
tell
them
what
life
learning
center
is
going
to
do
for
them
and
then
what
they
are
going
to
do
for
the
candidates
and
members
of
life
learning
center
and
it's
everything
from
soup
to
nuts
if
their
baby
needs
diapers.
E
You
know
in
the
state
police
we
don't
make
any
decisions
unless
data
proves
that
we
need
to
do
something
we
need
to
make
a
change
and
at
life
learning
center.
I
have
taken
that
my
time
in
the
state,
police
and
every
decision
we
make
is
driven
by
data.
What
what
are
our
numbers
telling
us
and
what
is
the
need?
This
is
comparative
data
from
2018,
2019
and
2020
to
show
us
on
our
candidates
that
start
the
program.
E
What
is
the
biggest
barriers
that
they're
facing
and,
as
you
can
see,
lack
of
transportation,
criminal
convictions
and
substance
use
disorder,
and
I
pulled
the
numbers
last
week
calling
I
called
amanda
peters
she's,
our
drug
czar.
Now
and
I
asked
amanda,
I
said
amanda:
what's
our
numbers
right
now,
relative
to
overdoses
in
kenton
county?
E
What
is
going
on
in
the
substance
use
disorder
arena
isolation
is
not
a
friend
to
individuals
that
are
suffering
substance,
use,
disorder
and
generally
co-diagnosed
with
a
mental
health
disorder.
E
One
thing
that
I
always
like
to
bring
to
everybody's
attention-
and
I
I
can't
speak
enough
about
we've-
got
a
really
good
relationship
with
our
circuit
clerk
in
kenton
county
that
makes
getting
a
kentucky
id
and
a
driver's
license
available
to
our
individuals.
E
Even
during
this
time
of
covet
and
john's,
been
john
milton's
been
very
good
at
this,
and
because
many
of
you,
all
that
are
entrepreneurs,
know
that
an
individual
can't
get
a
job
unless
they
can
complete
an
I-9
and
to
complete
an
i9.
You
must
have
two
forms
of
identification,
so
if
they
don't
have
a
driver's
license
and
a
social
security
card
they're
already,
you
know
digging
a
hole
for
themselves
to
try
to
get
a
job
so
right
out
of
the
chute.
E
In
2020
we
have
enrolled
221
folks
and
the
average
cohort
size
is
14..
E
It
is
critical
that
you
have
this
team
effort
on
making
these
decisions
and
the
and
the
judges
on
the
bench
in
kenton
county,
as
well
as
in
boone
and
campbell
direct
individuals
to
life
learning
center
for
alternative
and
diversionary
programs.
E
I
also
think
that
it's
of
note
that
36
percent
of
these
individuals
have
completely
lost
custody
of
their
children.
Our
we
predominantly
serve
people
from
kentucky,
but
we
have
one
percent
coming
across
the
river
from
ohio.
We
have
a
good
relationship
with
joe
deters
in
hamilton
county
that
sends
individuals
our
direction,
our
race
across
the
board,
91
caucasian
and
4
percent
african-american.
That's
reflective
of
the
north
kentucky,
but
we
are
always
looking
at
opportunities
to
expand
diversion
within
our
and
diversity
within
our
population,
62
percent.
E
Male
to
female
and
again
you
know,
the
average
age
for
individuals
is
34
years
old.
E
Our
facility
is
66
000
square
feet
and
we
have
a
state-of-the-art
building
that
individuals
when
we're
not
during
covet,
can
come
into
our
facility
and
take
up
residence.
We
have
38
residential
partners
that
are
on
the
second
floor
that
spend
a
day
a
week
with
us,
so
they
can
interview
and
take
care
of
business
with
the
candidates
and
members
while
they're
on
site
and
then
of
course,
well
over
a
hundred
of
other
community
partners
that
provide
service
that
are
not
inside
the
building.
E
When
we
talk
about
a
one-stop
shop,
we
are
a
hub
for
recovery
and
for
re-entry
in
the
community,
but
we're
not
limited
to
that
individuals
that
come
to
life
learning
center.
We
do
have
a
portion
of
folks
that
have
just
said.
Look
I
want
to
do
better
in
life,
they
don't
suffer
a
conviction,
they
don't
suffer.
E
One
of
the
things,
if
you
have
it
toward
life
learning
center,
we
do
have
a
fitness
center.
We
have
a
cafe.
We
have
a
in
a
five-star
day
care
in
our
facility
and
coming
in
2021.
We're
pretty
excited
that
we're
going
to
have
a
hair
salon
inside
so
that
we
will
be
a
centralized
community
hub
for
individuals,
senator
nemes,
you
might
come
visit
us
how
about
that
just
kidding.
E
We
do
offer
day
and
evening
programs
a
lot
of
non-profits
serve
only
during
the
day,
but
you
know
from
an
old
state
trooper.
I
said
folks
people
we
we've
got
to
keep
this
open
past
4
30,
because
we
need
individuals
to
have
an
opportunity
to
work
during
the
day
and
then
get
programming
in
the
evening.
So
we're
open
until
8
pm
on
tuesday,
wednesday
and
thursday
nights
and
then
in
2021.
E
In
2019,
the
judges
in
kenton
county
said,
you
know
this
opportunity
that
rob
sanders
who's.
Our
commonwealth's
attorney
said
we're
doing
these
diversionary
and
alternative
sentencing
programs.
E
This
is
just
a
visual
of
the
stakeholders
that
make
up
that
mrrt
team
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
both
practitioners,
individuals
from
the
courts,
probation
and
parole
department
of
corrections.
We
do
a
good
bit
of
work
with
department
of
corrections
in
the
public,
defender's
office,
drug
court,
etc.
We
do
weekly
meetings,
these
are
held
on
fridays
and
then
on
thursday,
each
one
of
the
stakeholders
uploads
their
information
into
the
system,
so
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
what's
going
on
with
each
of
the
individuals
on
friday.
E
This
is
a
diagram
of
how
an
individual
goes
through
the
mrrt
process.
This
is
the
methodology.
E
I
think
this
visual
speaks
for
itself
in
that
financially
we
as
the
commonwealth-
and
I
know
that,
having
served
in
the
legislature,
you
all
are
always
looking
at
ways.
How
are
we
going
to
save
money?
How
can
we
be
more
efficient,
more
effective
if
we
think
about
doing
programs
like
this,
where
we
identify
ways
for
alternative
sentencing
and
diversionary
programs?
This
is
not
a
go
soft
on
crime.
E
I
know
that
a
lot
of
people
think
especially
rob
sanders
and
elise
eddington
having
rob's
always
been
a
tough
on
crime
person,
I'm
a
retired
state
trooper.
I
I'm
proud
of
that.
I'm
proud
of
my
service
in
the
state
police,
but
I
also
have
a
responsibility
to
taxpayers
across
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
and
on
average
we're
it
costs
47
dollars
a
day
to
keep
somebody
in
the
kenton
county
detention
center.
E
If
we
invest
in
these
programs
of
alternative
sentencing
and
diversionary
with
individuals
with
low
level
property
crimes
and
suffer
substance,
use
disorder
from
low
level
possessions
the
money
that
we
can
save
if
we
invest
it
speaks
for
itself-
and
I
just
think
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
take
a
a
good
hard
look
at
these
types
of
programs.
I
know
that
you
all
will
be
probably
taking
up
criminal
justice
reform
in
2021,
and
I
know
all
those
things
are
challenging
their
challenge.
E
It
goes
without
saying
it
goes
without
saying
that
the
budget's
going
to
be
challenging,
but
I
do
think
much
like
we've
said
before.
If
we
take
this
money
and
we
invest,
then
we
can
turn
around
and
take
the
money
that
we've
saved
and
invest
in
early
childhood
development
and
do
some
of
the
prevention
things
that
I
mentioned
earlier
to
try
not
for
individuals
to
be
playing
that
game
of
shoots
and
ladders
until
they're,
34
years
old,.
A
This
time
I
want
to
open
it
up
for
questions.
I
do
have
a
couple
to
get
started.
I
know
there's
not
very
many
folks
in
the
room,
and
so
maybe
the
folks
that
are
virtually
only
may
have
questions
some
time
to
to
get
those
over
to
us,
but
you
can
use
the
chat
feature
or
you
can
text
myself
or
katie
with
those
questions
alicia
the
this
is
a
truly
local
approach.
E
Full
disclosure
we
do
work
with
the
office
of
re-entry
covet
has
made
it
a
little
more
challenging,
but
we
do
take
class
d
inmates
that
are
being
released
from
kenton
county
detention
center
and
we
would
certainly
consider
taking
individuals
that
want
to
relocate
to
northern
kentucky
to
start
over.
And
so
you
know,
we've
got
a
good
relationship
with
the
kentucky
department
of
corrections
and
we
want
to
continue
to.
E
A
E
E
They
have
agreed
to
allow
me
to
pursue
25
of
our
funding,
but
not
to
exceed
that
from
public
dollars,
and
so
in
2020
and
2021.
What's
left
of
2020,
we
will
be
pursuing
some
public
funding
only
to
the
tune
of
25
percent.
A
And
then
my
final
question
was
obviously
you
serve
a
fairly
urbanized
area
there.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
clone
a
program
like
this
into
other
urban
areas.
What
do
you
think
alicia
you
and
I
are
both
from
a
rural
area?
What
do
you
think
about
the
ability
to
do
something
like
this
program
in
a
more
rural
area
across
the
commonwealth.
E
I
think
that
if
we
had
the
opportunity
to
to
put
a
team
together
and
think
about
how
we
could
create
a
a
spoken
hub
transportation
solution
to
get
individuals
from
rural
counties
such
as
where
you
and
I
grew
up
in
brownsville
to
bowling
green
or
to
litchfield
or
some
hub
of
that
nature,
what
we
have
to
think
about
is
being
able
to
get
them
to
locations
where
they
can
earn
a
living
wage
and
live
in
a
in
a
location
or
at
least
get
them
the
ability
to
live
where
they
can
sustain
themselves
and
and
work.
E
C
Davis
thanks
for
coming
representative,
I
remember
serving
with
you
and
it
was
a
pleasure.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
what
you're
doing
when
we're
working
in
a
labor
cabinet.
It's
easy
to
train
people,
it's
easy
to
educate
people,
but
the
wrap
around
services
are
so
needed
and
it's
I'm
glad
to
see
that
you
do
everything.
That's
needed
and
understand
that
and
hooking
up
with
the
charity
organizations
is
is
is
needed
and
I
understand
you
said
48
or
68.
C
You
know
people
think
that's
bad!
That's
tremendous.
If
you
see
the
recidivism
rate
is
what
it's
a
whole
lot
higher
than
that
on
a
normal
basis.
So
one
thing
that
do
you
do
registered
apprenticeship.
E
Well,
here's
we
do
work
with
the
trades,
and
so
one
of
the
challenges
that
we've
had.
We
were
doing
very
well
up
until
covet
hit
us,
and
so
we
have
been
working
with
the
workforce
investment
board.
We
have
a
representative
from
the
trades
on
that
board
and
yes,
the
answer
is
yes.
However,
we've
been
set
back
slightly
because
of
covid.
C
And
there's
also
a
problem
with,
if
they're
still
behind
bars,
to
be
able
to
do
that
so,
but
the
wrap
around
services,
when
you
get
out
is
the
biggest
thing
can.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
The
you
talk
about
divergency
sentences.
E
C
E
We
do
not
have
the
angel
program
in
northern
kentucky,
but
we
certainly
as
currently
here's
what
happens.
Senator
is
if
an
individual
is
charged
they're
administratively
released
the
individual
comes
straight
to
life
learning
center
for
a
screening
and
once
they
are
screened
at
life
learning
center,
then
they
are
sent
to
one
of
our
providers
for
an
evaluation
and
that
evaluation
is
done
by
a
clinician.
So
we
can
get
a
true
evaluation
from
a
clinician
on
what
their
substitutes
disorder
and
if
they
need
detox
or
long-term
care,
what
what
is
their
plan
for
addressing
their?
E
If
they
don't
have
substance
use
disorder,
then
we
will
immediately
enroll
them
in
life
learning
center
and
we
start
them
on
this
12-week
process
and
nobody's
forced
to
do
this,
but
certainly
if
they
have
the
opportunity-
and
one
of
the
things,
mr
chairman,
that
we're
talking
with
the
department
of
corrections
about
is
allowing
our
program
to
be
one
of
the
programs
that
would
incentivize
them
for
service
credits
towards
their
time
of
sentencing.
E
So
I
mean
all
of
those
things
play
into
exactly
what
you
said
on
alternative
and
diversionary
programs.
Thank
you
absolutely
and
I
did
leave
one
thing
out.
I
failed
to
tell
you
all
shame
on
me
for
employment
opportunities
right
now,
and
you
know
you
always
hear
people
talk
about.
Oh
it's
so
hard
to
find
people
jobs
that
have
had
criminal
convictions.
E
I
can't
speak
to
the
employment
efforts
in
northern
kentucky
and
our
employer
partners.
We
have
over
178
employer
partners
that
offer
transformational
employment.
I
don't
like
to
call
it
second
chance,
because
many
people
need
more
than
a
second
chance,
and
so
we've
coined
it
transformational
employment
and
if
you
have
the
opportunity
to
come
to
northern
kentucky
and
just
take
a
look
around,
and
I
truly
believe
that
it's
not
limited
to
northern
kentucky.
I
recently
had
the
opportunity.
E
Mr
chairman,
I
went
to
bowling
green
and
had
a
conversation
with
our
old
buddy
dion
houchins
about
us
looking
at
something
like
this
in
bowling
green
with
houston's
industries,
because
I
think
that
we've
got
true
opportunity
to
expand
this
and
take
this
out.
E
B
E
B
One
congratulations.
This
is
really
an
upstream
approach.
You
know,
as
opposed
to
finding
the
person
down
the
river.
You
know
why
are
people
out
of
the
river
now
what
happened
upstream,
you're
really
taking
a
proactive
to
this
issue?
I
would
say:
you're
smart
on
crime.
That's
my
software
on
crime!
It
really
is
a
way
to
address
the
issue.
What
happens
at
the
end
of
12
weeks?
Is
there
a
follow-up
30
days
90
days
on
a
day,
something
like
that.
E
We
absolutely
we
want
the
individuals
you
heard
me
use
the
nomenclature
candidate
to
member
when
an
individual
graduates
from
the
program
they
go
from
a
candidate
to
a
member
and
they
become
a
lifetime
member
of
life
learning
center,
so
that
becomes
their
quote-unquote
country
club
and
they
can
come
in
and
use
our
facility
use
any
of
the
programs
that
we
have
and
we
want
them
to
continue
to
come
back
in
for
the
fellowship
and
the
support
groups
and
any
other
thing,
the
day
care
center,
so
on
and
so
forth,
whatever
they
need,
and
in
doing
so
we
collect
all
of
their
social
media.
E
That's
critical
to
keeping
up
with
folks
these
days
I
mean
these
cell
phones.
I
started
to
hold
mine
up.
I
left
it
in
my
purse,
but
you
know
an
individual
will
change
cell
phone
numbers
dozens
of
times,
but
it
seems
like
they
keep
their
facebook
and
snapchat
and
all
those
kind
of
social
media
things
intact,
and
so
us
keeping
up
with
them
and
senator
nemashi
brought
up
about
the
recidivism
rate.
We
have
one
year
of
data
that
we've
started.
E
You
know
we,
I
I
got
to
life
learning
center
in
2017.,
so
we
started
looking
at
recidivism
rates.
We
have
one
full
year
of
data
on
recidivism
rates
and
we
have
cut
recidivism
by
50
percent
with
this
program,
so
I
will
be
able
to
give
you
more
numbers
and
more
data
as
we
continue
to
to
grow
this,
but
staying
in
contact,
incentivizing
them
to
come
back
in
and
doing
that
with
care
offerings
and
the
fellowship
meetings
is
critical
to
what
we
do.
B
E
Yes,
we,
when
we
don't
have
covet.
Obviously
we
have
thanksgiving
dinner.
We
have
a
christmas
dinner,
we
also
host
picnics,
we
have
cookouts,
the
fellowship
meetings
will
have
cookouts
and
host
events
for
the
aas
and
nas
and
so
on
so
forth,
and
so
we
try
to
support
them
in
those
endeavors.
You
know
financially
with
the
you
know,.
E
E
D
E
And
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
prevail
in
that
and
be
able
to
again
create
that
hub
and
spoke
so
that
we
can
get
some
individuals
from
the
rural
counties
into
kenton
county
so
that
we
can
support
them.
E
I
have
not,
I
was
on
their
website.
Just
you
know,
reviewing
it,
but
I'd
be
delighted
to
come
down
and
take
a
tour
and
yeah.
If
you
were
someone.
B
B
He
did
all
that
stuff
and
his
family
he's
now
phd
he's
a
professor
at
uk
I
mean
it's
a
recovery
story
of
great
success
for
alex
eldwig
and
his
really
his
mom.
Shall
we
and
she
and
they've,
created
this
recovery
community
in
lexington,
where
people
get
this
very
similar
services
and
they
do
the
same
type
of
stuff.
They
have
cookouts
because
you
really
gotta,
you
know
treatment
ends,
recoveries
forever.
E
A
Thank
you
for
coming
and
presenting
about
this
this
great
opportunity.
A
Next
on
our
agenda,
we'll
have
two
of
our
other
friends
judge,
mosley,
judge
phelps.
If
you
all
will
come
to
the
table.
G
I'm
john
phelps
judge
executive
in
cumberland,
county
kentucky
and
currently
serving,
as
president
kentucky
county
judge
executive
association.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
for
this
task
for.
G
I
guess
I'd
like
to
begin
saying:
I
don't
have
an
elaborate
presentation
as
miss
eddington
done,
but
that
was
fantastic
and
I
think
that's
a
huge
huge
component
is
rehab
and
getting
these
folks
back
into
a
normal
aspect
of
life.
Whether
you
have,
of
course,
I'm
from
a
very
small
county.
Our
our
county
jail
was
closed
back
in
probably
mid
90s
95
96
somewhere
in
that
range,
our
population
is
around
6
700,
so
we've
had
a
close
jail
for
a
very
long
time.
G
We
transport
our
prisoners
to
adair
county
regional
jail
and
have
done
so
for
a
long
time.
But
I
guess
my
initial
comment
is
whether
you
have
a
jail
or
whether
you
don't
it's
a
losing
proposition
house
bill.
463
gave
us
some
relief
back
in
2012.
G
Kind
of
helped
for
a
couple
years,
and
then
we
kind
of
skyrocketed
after
that
point
again
we're
small
county
2015.
Our
housing
costs
for
dairy
county
jail
was
175
000.,
our
1819
budget
that
rose
to
345
000..
That's
just
housing
costs,
that's
not
including
medical,
so
it's
nearly
doubled
in
a
matter
of
about
five
years.
G
That's
you
know
a
very
awkward
trend,
so
I
mean,
when
you've
got
a
general
fund
budget
around
1.2
1.3
million.
You
know
that's
about
40
of
your
budget,
going
for
housing
costs
for
inmates.
G
G
I
reached
out
to
gail
cowan
our
dairy
county
judge
to
ask
her
to
she
some
things
that
she
might
want
to
for
me
to
present,
knowing
that
I
was
going
to
be
here
for
them
and
our
the
perdim
for
closed
county
jails.
That's
25,
000.!
That's
been
that
way
for
well
over
a
decade
per
damn
for
state
inmates,
thirty
one
dollars
and
thirty
four
cents.
My
understanding,
that's
per
diem,
has
been
there
for
well
over
a
decade.
G
A
dairy
county
judge
she
says
you
know,
of
course,
without
medical
and
without
the
sap
program
their
cost
is
about
38
bucks,
so
I
mean
they're
losing
six
dollars
per
inmate
on
stadium
mates
they
raised
ours
to
33
dollars.
I
mean
they're
losing
that
for
four
dollars,
an
inmate
on
what
we
pay
them.
Of
course
I
mean
we
don't
like
to
keep
any
more
than
we
have.
We
like
these
folks
to
be
productive
people
in
in
our
communities,
and
you
know
rehab.
G
I
think,
that's
the
answer.
If
we're
going
to
win
this
fight
against
drugs,
we've
got
to
do
more
there,
whether
it's
in
the
jail
setting
or
where
it's
in
in
programs.
As
mentioned
in
life
learning
centers
we've
got
to
incorporate,
be
tougher
on.
You
know
the
folks
that
are
selling
this
stuff.
I
mean
we
got
to
get
to
our
dealer
somewhere
we
got
to
get
to
the
supply,
but
these
folks
that
have
an
addiction.
It's
a
mental
illness.
G
We've
got
to
get
a
handle.
On
that
I
mean
you
know,
there's
it's
wreaking
havoc
on
our
economies,
but
let
me
just
real
quickly
read
this
email
that
judge
cowan
sent
me
and.
G
Okay,
that's
unusual,
for
me.
I
hope
that's
a
little
bit
better,
but
let
me
just
read
this
email,
real,
quick
from
judge
cowan
and
dan's
got
some
probably
some
better
numbers
than
I
do,
but
judge
cowans
wrote
of
course,
like
I
said,
dairy
county
has
been
our
facility
for
several
years
and
we've
had
a
good
relationship
with
them
and
appreciate
having
one
that
close,
some
things
that
I
need
to
would
like
to
be
discussed
or
below
state
for
them.
The
per
diem
is
31.34
and
has
been
the
same
for
18
years.
G
According
to
her
jailer,
hasn't
been
raised
since
2002.
the
cops
incarcerate
and
county
jail
without
the
sap
program,
which
is
what
there
is
in
fiscal
year.
20
was
37.35
cents.
That
information
came
from
the
kentucky
department
of
corrections
webpage,
and
yet
they
only
reimbursed
them
31.34
cents
for
a
stadium
mate.
G
She
kind
of
feels
like
they're
kind
of
crazy
for
keeping
inmates.
You
know
at
that
point.
You
know
when
you're
losing
that
much
so
they're
losing
six
dollars
an
inmate
says
I
think
time.
They've
got
41
state
inmates,
that's
a
loss,
equal
246
dollars
per
day
and
losing
89
939
dollars
per
year
for
their
state
inmates.
G
She
also
agrees
that
you
know
house
bill.
463
does
give
some
relief.
Let's
see
if
you
use
house
bill
463
that
does
not
include
department
overhead.
The
cost
per
day
is
36.67,
so
I
mean
that
you
know
gives
a
you
know:
better
dollar
relief
there,
that
loss
would
be
533
per
day.
G
The
state
should
be
responsible
for
all
medical
expenses
and
if
county
jails
had
more
financial
support
from
the
state-
and
this
is
another
point
that
I
want
to
bring
up
a
little
bit
later
on
cities.
She
makes
this
point.
I
know
we're
constitutionally
required
as
counties
take
care
of
inmates.
You
know
a
lot
of
our
inmates
are,
are
city
arrests,
cities
need
to
have
skin.
Cities
need
to
have
skin
in
the
game.
G
You
know,
depending
on
the
you
know,
that's
our
populated
areas,
and
you
know,
depending
on
where
you're
at
you
know,
I
mean
I'm
sure
our
inmate
population
that
currently
county
has
I'm
close
to
50
of
it,
we're
probably
arrested
by
city
officers,
as
a
county
representative,
I
feel
like
cities
should
be
bearing
part
of
this
burden.
G
That's
roughly,
I
think
that
covers
about
everything
that
I
want
to
say
at
this
point
and
there's
plenty
of
information
on
on
the
web.
The
average
cost
per
inmate
back
in
2015
in
the
state
of
kentucky
was
six
16
one
again.
That
re
calculates
right
back
to
forty
five
dollars
kind
of
where
we're
at
so
huge
problem
economically
for
us.
F
Thank
you
again,
chairman
for
allowing
us
to
to
speak
today.
I'll
move
this
over
just
in
case
they
are
having
trouble
hearing
us,
but
you
know,
jail
costs
across
kentucky
are
having
a
very
adverse
impact
on
every
fiscal
court
budget.
F
F
That's
astronomical
would
bankrupt
many
counties
if
that
happened
in
harlan
county
we've.
We've
been
very
fortunate,
and
I
attribute
a
lot
of
that
success
to
the
team
we
have
at
our
jail.
Our
jailer
is
a
great
human
being
who
worked
in
the
detention
center
for
for
years
before
he
was
ever
elected.
Jailer
fortunately
just
survived
a
battle
with
cobia
19
after
spending
several
weeks
in
the
hospital
he's
back
to
work
as
of
just
a
couple
weeks
ago.
So
we're
very
thankful
that
jaylor
burkhart
recovered.
F
F
At
that
point,
in
time,
there
was
about
a
six-story
jail
that
stood
beside
the
courthouse
in
downtown
harlan
that
had
75
beds
in
it,
our
fiscal
court
back
in
2006
constructed
a
new
detention
center
and
35
years
after
that
allocation
was
determined.
We
have
a
facility
with
227
beds,
nearly
three
times
the
amount
of
the
one
we
had
previously.
F
However,
the
allocation
has
never
increased
to
offset
the
the
increase
of
inmates
that
we
have,
so
we
still
get
the
same
flat
jail
allocation
a
year
that
we
received
for
a
a
facility
that
was
one-third
the
size
that
we
have
today.
F
You
know
I
mentioned
their
our
situation.
We
we've
only
had
one
year
since
I've
been
judged
where
we
had
a
one
million
dollar
general
fund
transfer
to
the
jail
fund
or
higher,
usually
we're
between
by
the
time
you
factor
in
debt
service
on
the
facility
we're
usually
between
a
half
a
million
to
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
fy
18.
We
went
over
a
million
dollars
because
we
had
to
put
a
new
roof
on
the
facility.
F
The
facility
had
had
a
major
roof
problem
for
several
years
and
there
was
about
45
different
leaks
in
the
building,
so
we
couldn't
continue.
It
was
destroying
not
only
the
areas
where
the
inmates
stay
but
also
office
space
and
then
with
the
technology.
That's
involved
in
the
jail.
You
can't
be.
You
know,
continue
to
afford
to
replace
computers
and
electronical
items
that
are
necessary
for
the
function
of
a
jail.
So
we
bit
the
bullet
and
and
and
put
a
new
roof
on
the
facility.
F
The
covid
situation
covered
19
situation
has
further
complicated
our
situation
at
the
jail
just
in
comparison
from
may
2019.
Through
september
of
2019,
we
generated
718
000
in
state
prisoner
payments.
F
In
the
same
months
this
year,
we've
generated
five
hundred
and
thirty
three
thousand
dollars
a
difference
of
185
thousand
dollars
over
the
over
the
course
of
time
and
an
average
monthly
difference
of
just
over
37
000
a
month
and
chairman
meredith
knows
I'm
not
a
jailer,
but
I
was
a
former
banker
and
I
am
definitely
I
couldn't
take
credit
for
operating
a
jail.
But
I
do
follow
the
numbers
very
closely
and
what
it's
having
an
impact
on
our
budget.
F
You
know
to
make
up
some
of
the
difference
and
help
subsidize
some
of
that
lost
revenue.
We
knew
that
we
had
to
brace,
for.
We
made
the
difficult
decision
to
lay
off
11
employees
at
our
jail
due
to
the
decline
in
state
inmates,
which
you
know
further
adds
to
the
unemployment
crisis
that
we
already
have
in
harlan
county
and
have
had
for
many
years
due
to
our
economy,
really
relying
on
the
coal
economy.
F
F
If
the
state
inmate
payment
was
the
same
as
the
private
prison
payment,
we
would
would
have
received
just
over
a
million
four
hundred
thousand
in
2019
and
a
million
forty
nine
thousand
in
2020
in
the
same
five
month
period
as
opposed
to
what
we've
received
the
jail
would
be
nearly
self-sustaining
at
that
point,
meaning
that
there
would
be
no
general
fund
assistance
needed
on
our
part
to
where
we
could
fund
additional
programs
to,
hopefully
keep
people
out
of
jail.
F
Like
ms
eddington
spoke
about
very
impressed
with
what
they're
doing
at
their
facility,
it
would
also
allow
us,
I
think,
the
ability
we
have
a
very
high
turnover
of
employees
at
our
detention
center
due
to
the
rate
of
pay
it
would.
It
would
also
enable
us
to
look
at
paying
people
a
living
wage
to
be
able
to
work
there.
Someone
that
starts
working
at
our
jail
goes
in
at
about
8.75
an
hour
is
what
they
start
out,
making.
F
I
will
say
that
the
inmate
work
program
loss
this
year
has
also
added
to
our
financial
crisis,
with
with
jails.
We
very
much
rely
on
our
inmate
work
program
to
cut
cemeteries
in
the
county.
This
year,
memorial
day
weekend,
our
cemeteries
had
never
looked
worse,
probably
like
they
do
all
across
the
state,
because
many
counties
rely
on
jails
to
keep
cemeteries.
Public
cemeteries
cut
our
parks.
F
We
also
have
a
flood
control
system
that
we
have
to
maintain
as
part
of
our
agreement
with
the
corps
of
engineers
to
cut
levees
for
the
flood
control
program.
F
We
had
a
difficult
time
doing
that
we
had
to
reassign
personnel
and
also
subcontract
some
work
out
to
be
able
to
do
that
which
increased
additional
cost,
because
we
weren't
able
to
get
inmates
out
of
the
jail
to
cut
plus.
The
reduction
in
inmates
hurt
us
because
we
had
even
if
we
could
have
got
them
out,
we
would
have
less
people
to
work.
F
So
I
think
that,
with
with
our
situation
with
county
budgets,
it's
very
clear.
More
revenue
to
fund
jails
is
absolutely
essential.
We
need
to
continue
to
be
a
partner
with
the
state
in
this
venture.
Corrections
is
very
important.
F
I'm
a
big
fan
of
treatment
programs
and
you
know
95
percent
of
our
inmates
at
the
harlan
county
detention
center
are
there
because
of
some
sort
of
drug
charge,
and
I
I
tell
the
taxpayers
all
the
time
we
have
a.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
public
perception
problem.
I
think
all
across
this
country,
where
the
lion's
share
of
people
want
to
see
someone
go
to
jail
for
drug
events,
drug
offense
or
whatever
it's
the
reality
and
the
lion's
share
of
public
frown
on
treatment
programs.
F
But
I
tell
everybody
that
has
that
conversation
with
me,
if
you,
as
a
taxpayer,
knew
how
much
jails
were
costing
you,
you
would
be
a
much
bigger
fan
of
a
treatment
program,
it's
just
reality
and
we
have
to
do
a
better
job.
I
think
all
of
us,
as
leaders
in
educating
the
public
on
why
we
have
to
continue
focusing
on
true
reform,
whether
they're
in
jail
or
they're,
in
a
treatment
program
and
getting
them
from
the
crisis
to
career
mentality.
B
B
That's
me
when,
when
you
get
a
chance,
I'd
like
to
say
something.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
judge,
good
to
see
you
yeah.
I
want
to
just
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
things.
You
say.
E
B
B
E
B
B
If
you
have
a
good
work
program,
that's
exactly
the
case,
but
the
other
factor
of
it
that
I
like
to
talk
about
is
the
benefit
the
inmates
get
from
having
that
work
experience
when
you,
when
I
talk
to
people,
people
who
hire
inmates
after
they
get
out
the
one
thing
that
they
tell
me
is
that
so
many
of
them
don't
have
any
concept
of
how
to
work
around
the
public,
how
to
interact
around
the
public,
how
to
do
a
work
schedule
and
these
work
programs
are
tremendous
force
for
inmates
that
once
they
get
out,
are
gonna
have
to
get
a
job
and
support
themselves.
B
So,
and
it's
been,
and
I
know
we've
got
the
secretary
on
is
on
this
in
this
meeting.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
that.
Of
course,
corrections
has
its
own
challenges
because
of
kova.
I
know
that,
but
as
soon
as
we
can
get
these
inmate
programs
restricted,
custody,
centers
work
camps
filled
again
and
out
work,
and
I
think
it
will
be
a
lot
better
and
also
financially.
It
will
be
better
for
the
communities.
G
B
D
I
have
had
excellent
meetings
with
the
leadership
of
the
county
judge
executives
and
with
the
leadership
of
the
jailers
association,
and
we
are
discussing
ongoing
situations
and
working
together
very
very
well-
and
I
want
these
gentlemen
to
know
that.
I
appreciate
that
we'll
continue
to
try
to
do
that.
We
also
don't
dispute
that
there
is
not
enough
money
to
do
what
they
need
to
do,
based
on
the
fees
that
we
pay
them
statutorily.
D
One
point
I
did
want
to
clarify,
however,
is
that
we
actually
do
not
have
private
prisons,
except
for
one
that
is
under
contract
and
that's
the
lee
adjustment
center.
The
lee
adjustment
center,
however,
does
not
compete.
D
At
least
virtually
all
of
its
population
does
not
compete
with
the
population
that
we
can
legally
house
in
the
county
jails.
I
apologize
for
my
voice.
The
allergies
are
about
to
get
the
better
of
me.
It
does
not
compete
with
the
class
d's
and
the
c5s,
which
are
those
that
we
are
able
to
house
in
county
jails.
D
It
is
for
all
other
felonies,
and
that's
the
only
institution
that
we
have
so
I
think
the
comparison
of
the
numbers
really
is
not
apropos
of
the
situation,
but
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
matter.
Governor
beshear
is
very
opposed
to
private
prisons.
We
are
currently
into
a
contract
with
for
the
lee
adjustment
center,
but
it
is
having
the
part
of
the
contract
that's
important.
There
is,
that
must
be
run
under
the
principles
and
the
policies
and
procedures
of
all
of
our
other
state
prisoners.
C
Yes
thank
y'all
for
coming,
and
it's
repeating
we
hear
it
all
the
time
that
it
costs
what
we
pay.
You
thirty
two
dollars
per
se
or
close
to
that,
and
it
costs
forty
47
and
part
of
that
is
the
rehab
programs
that
it
costs
more.
What
would
it
cost
if
you
had
less
inmates
state
inmates
county
inmates
because
sure
it
would
cost
less
because
you
could
lay
off
people
or
you
wouldn't
have
this
cost
or
that,
but
your
fixed
cost
would
still
be
there.
C
So
if,
like
house
bill
463,
when
there
were
less
inmates
and
the
things
we
were
trying
to
rehab
before
incarceration
and
that,
then
that
would
be
a
burden
on
the
counties
too.
So.
F
We
we
have
a.
We
have
a
227
bed
facility
in
a
in
a
non-coded
time.
Traditionally
we're
always
seeing
250
to
260.
every.
I
think,
every
county,
probably
in
the
state
and
secretary
noble,
can
I'm
sure,
confirmed
this.
Many
counties
in
the
state
have
overcrowding
issues
in
a
non-coveted
era.
F
Usually
we
have
160
state
inmates
give
or
take
is
usually
where
we're
at
150
to
160.,
based
on
our
current
staff
in
a
non-covered
time
and
I'll
keep
referencing
that,
because
this
year
has
been
an
anomaly
to
be
able
to
be
at
a
point
from
a
budget
perspective,
even
with
our
transfers
to
break
even
from
a
budget
perspective,
we
have
to
be
above
130
from
a
state
inmate
perspective
anytime.
We
go
below
130
based
on
our
current
budget.
F
That's
when
we
get
in
trouble.
We've
had
90
to
95
in
the
last
three
months.
C
Thank
you.
Can
you
indulge
me
a
little
further
chair
right
ahead
center?
Thank
you.
So
actually,
when
the
state
pays,
you
less
they're
all
setting
some
costs
to
keep
your
your
numbers
up.
So
you
know
we
don't
pay
enough,
but
it's
offsets
your
cost,
because
if
you
went
way
below
that
130
that
32
dollars
does
help.
C
C
Now
I'll
just
make
a
comment
there
now
in
the
covent
there's
also
some
cost
because
of
covet
that
since
you're
not
transferring
inmates
to
the
courts,
then
the
sheriffs
save
money
because
they
don't
do
the
security,
but
you're
you
have
an
extra
cost
there,
because
you
have
to
have
security
in
the
rooms
you
have
to
have
computers,
so
there
may
be
a
way
with
this
task
force
that
we
could
offset
those
costs
by
the
sheriff's
what
they
save
to
be
transferred
to
the
jails
and-
and
things
like
that.
C
So
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
in
your
comments
and
secretary
appreciate
what
you're
doing,
because
we
have
a
uphill
battle
that
chairman
I'm
glad
you've
taken
on
this,
that
we
will
continue
to
maybe
not
solve
the
problem,
but
to
address
it
thanks.
Thank
you.
A
And
I'll
finish
up
with
one-
and
I
think
this
will
probably
be
pointed
mostly
at
you
judge
mosley
and
I
did
know
you
were
a
banker
you've
done
a
fine
job
of
covering
the
the
fiscal
aspect
of
this
judge.
Phelps
former
banker
as
well.
You
both
went
to
banking
school
with
folks
that
have
been
co-workers
of
mine
over
the
years,
but
speak
a
little
bit
to
liability
issues
with
regard
to
the
jail.
If
you
could,
I
think,
that's
probably
more
appropriate
for
you,
since
you
do
have
an
open
jail
things
of
that
nature.
F
Yeah
and-
and
you
know
I
hate
to
keep-
you
know
repeating
the
same
thing,
but
you
know
this
year
being
an
anomaly
with
coven.
19
liability
certainly
has
increased
for
all
of
us.
You
know,
er
we've
had
a
couple
of
of
inmates
that
have
tested
positive,
very,
very
few.
We've
actually
had
more
staff
that
have
tested
positive.
Then
we've
had
inmates,
which
is
a
really
you
know.
Thankfully,
these
people
have
recovered
and
are
all
doing
well,
but
overall
liability.
F
You
know
you're,
always
subject
to
litigation
or
any
type
of
issue
that
occurs
with
an
inmate.
F
You
know
we
find
ourselves,
I
think,
in
in
our
county,
since
I've
been
judged,
we've
been
involved
in
a
couple
of
different
litigious
matters
that
that
has
been
a
result
of
of
just
things
that
have
happened
accidentally
and
you
know
counties
you
know
obviously
are
absorbing
those
costs
associated
with
liability
as
well,
and
the
the
medical
you
know
we're
paying.
I
think
our
contract
for
routine
medical
is
around
260
000
a
year
based
on
our
inmate
population.
F
They
try
to
increase
it
every
year.
We
always
try
to
negotiate
that,
and
of
course,
this
year
we
strongly
negotiated
it
because
our
inmate
population
had
dropped.
So
significantly.
We
didn't
feel
like
that.
The
the
price
should
be
the
same,
because
the
the
the
really
the
the
way
the
contract
is
structured.
F
Their
responsibility
had
went
down
for
the
amount
of
so
we're
always
looking
at
ways
to
try
to
reduce
liability,
whether
that
is
liability
to
the
inmates
liability
to
the
budget,
but
also
provide
a
safe
environment
for
the
inmates
to
be
housed
in
a
productive
environment
in
ways
that
the
sap
program
there
and
then
make
work
program,
contribute
to
their
return
to
society
and
hopefully
not
a
return
to
the
detention
center.
A
Our
final
group
of
presenters
for
the
day,
I
think
we
only
have
one
of
them
in
the
room,
maybe
have
one
or
two
more,
that
are
on
virtually
colonel
morgan.
If
you'll
come
forward,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
then
if
you
want
to
let
your
folks
that
are
with
you
virtually
introduce
themselves
as
well,
and
then
you
only.
H
Major
jim
beach
who's
virtually
on
if
he
wants
to
introduce
himself.
I
Yes,
I'm
here
major
jim
beach
with
the
boone
county
sheriff's
office.
I've
been
here
31
years.
I
have
ran
the
court
services
division
for
the
last
17
years,
won
the
president
transportation.
H
Terry
wagner,
he
wants
to
be
excused,
he
could
not
make
it
here
today.
He
is.
H
You
jerry
wagner's
traveling
today
at
a
horse,
show
with
his
granddaughter,
so
he
cannot
be
here
today.
He
always
tries
to
make
the
meeting
so
major
beach,
and
I
are
here
on
behalf
of
the
kentucky
sheriff's
association
in
our
counties,
like
I
said,
I'm
lieutenant
lieutenant
colonel
pat
morgan,
kenton,
county
sheriff's
office,
38
years
of
law
enforcement,
the
first
four
years
of
service
working
at
the
kenton
county
detention
center,
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
transportation
of
prisoners
set
out
by
krs's,
but
the
essence
of
time.
H
The
krs
is
that
we're
most
applicable
to
transportation
of
prisoners
are
krs
70.140
and
krs-441
510.
and
krs
441
510,
section
1
and
2
enacted
in
june
of
2001
outlines
the
movement
of
prisoners
from
county
detention
centers.
It
defines
conditions,
charges,
transport
agents,
responsibility
for
transporting
between
detention
facilities
under
the
current
conditions,
certain
levels
of
prisoners
who
were
not
yet
addressed
done
addressing
charges
in
the
originating
county.
In
our
case,
kenton
I'm
going
to
use
are
being
moved
by
originating
jail
or
bike
jails.
Our
department
of
corrections
to
other
jails
across
the
commonwealth.
H
There
are
several
other
sections
of
441
510
that
deal
with
the
transportation
plan
that
could
be
adopted
by
the
fiscal
court
or
other
legislative
bodies
of
a
charter
government
with
the
jailers
acting
as
a
transport
officer
if
there
is
no
jail
within
the
county
prior
to
2001.
My
experience
most
most
inmates
were
held
in
the
county.
Detention
center
to
all.
Charges
were
adjudicated
in
that
county
if
an
inmate
who
has
been
adjudicated
but
had
a
detention
or
a
detainer
from
another
county
within
the
commonwealth.
H
H
All
paperwork
from
that
county,
the
originated
county,
I.e,
charges
from
other
counties,
other
states
and
final
judgments
of
sentence
to
the
department
of
corrections
would
go
with
the
sheriff
when
being
transported
to
the
next
county
detention
center.
To
answer
to
the
charges
within
that
county
after
after
june
2001,
as
I
stated,
adjudicated
inmates
were
being
transported
to
other
counties
that
were
less
crowded
with
empty
beds.
H
This
practice
has
continued
to
the
beginning
of
cove
at
19
pandemic
crisis,
where
it
has
dropped
immensely
when
an
mn
when
an
inmate
who
has
been
adjudicated
the
class
d
years
class
c
low,
low
level
class
c
in
a
county,
the
inmate
may
be
moved
to
another
county
detention
center,
either
by
the
department
of
correction
when
an
inmate
moved
or
a
county
detention
center
with
empty
beds.
Who
would
call
other
detention
centers
to
see
if
they
had
any
available
adjudicated
class
d
or
class
c
inmates
to
be
moved
to
their
facilities?
H
The
inmates
moved
to
the
new
facilities,
as
I
stated,
may
still
have
pending
charges
in
the
originating
county
when
an
inmate
is
moved
before
being
adjudicated
of
all
charges
to
another
detention
center.
The
sheriff's
office
does
not
make
one
trip
to
these
judicial
proceedings
for
these
judicial
proceedings.
Typically,
the
sheriff's
offices
is
called
to
make
upon
to
make
several
trips
across
the
commonwealth
to
bring
them
back
to
the
county,
where
they
need
to
be
where
they
left
from
the
other
krs
that
relates
to
the
sheriff's
office.
H
When
the
movement
of
an
inmate
began
in
2001
between
facilities,
the
court
facility,
the
courts
through
keras
7140
and
441
510,
the
duties
fall
back
on
the
sheriffs
to
transport
to
and
from
courts
and
inmates
being
housed
other
counties.
Why
is
this
significant
when,
speaking
from
with
shares
to
shares
from
across
the
commonwealth?
The
movement
of
inmates
with
pending
charges
is
a
great
drain
on
manpower
and
a
cost
to
sheriffs.
H
Inmates
are
being
transported
back
to
counties
where
they
have
been
previously
housed
for
a
hearing.
That
would
would
last
a
couple
minutes,
ranging
in
time
to
five
minutes
to
a
couple
hours
or
even
even
no
hearing
at
all,
due
to
various
reasons
where
we
would
as
justin
kent,
and
we
could
travel
four
or
five
hours
to
western
kentucky
to
bring
an
inmate
back
and
there
was
no
hearing
because
a
lawyer
or
somebody
could
not
attend
the
hearing
these
round
trips.
Take
a
lot
of
me.
H
It's
usually
two
deputies
that
we
send
from
the
northern
part
cost
factors
the
breakdown,
the
county
detention
center,
who
receives
the
amen,
receive
a
per
diem
per
day
from
the
state
for
housing
inmates.
As
we've
heard,
we've
known
that
the
sheriff
charges
the
state
rate
per
mile
set
by
the
commonwealth,
so
we
charge
the
state
when
we
go
to
pick
up
these
inmates
who
are
being
moved
right
now.
The
current
rate
is
39
cents,
a
mile.
H
This
is
charged
to
the
state
issues
with
inmates
moved
before
they
completed
all
charges
in
within
one
county
inmates
get
moved
from
one
county
to
another
and
paperwork
holders
and
detainers
are
lost.
Inmates
sign
interstate,
agreed,
detainers
of
agreement
with
another
state,
while
an
inmate
who
may
be
facing
felony
charges
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
They
sign
these
interstate
detainers
agreement.
They
actually
leave
the
state
and
they
at
times
in
we've
had
in
kenton
where
they've
left.
H
The
state
they've
either
become
probated
or
paroled,
while
they're
out
of
the
state,
leaving
the
sheriff
have
to
put
the
person
back
in
the
ncic
go
to
transport.
These
prisoners
back
to
kenton
county
which
they
originated
from
and
the
state
is
paying
the
bill
for
the
cost
of
airfare
travel
and
the
fees
for
the
deputies
to
go.
H
So
the
after
effects
of
inmates
have
adjudicated
on
all
charges,
so
speaking
with
the
sheriff
that
is,
is
tasked
to
moving
inmates
to
the
rotor
in
lagrange
kentucky
by
krs.
The
sheriff
of
fulton
county
who
cannot
attend
today,
stated
to
me
in
a
recent
phone
conversation
that
his
county
is
a
population
about
six
thousand.
His
jail
population
is
600
beds,
one
of
the
larger
county
jails
in
the
commonwealth.
H
His
office
has
to
transport
inmates
who
do
not
meet
the
requirements
of
the
class
d
program
after
their
after
they're
brought
there
to
the
two
final
adjudications
of
charges
have
been
transported
to
the
rotor
when
the
department
of
correction
has
room
for
them
and
request
them
to
be
moved.
The
sheriff
stated
he
has
set
has
to
send
two
deputies.
He
has
three
total
deputies
plus
himself
to
do
the
trips.
H
These
trips
occur
usually
two
times
a
month,
typically
they're
called
to
bring
10
to
12
prisoners
to
rotor,
barring
the
jail
transport
van.
When
the
sheriff
is
doing
the
transport,
he
asks
every
person
he
is
transporting
where
they
are
from.
In
his
two
years
as
a
sheriff,
he
has
transported
a
total
of
four
inmates
that
have
been
charged
and
originated
from
fulton
county.
H
H
What
are
the
solutions
to
these
issues?
Inmates
are
not
inmates
that
are
not
completed
with
all
charges
stay
in
the
county
jail
or
until
all
charges
are
completed
and
moved
to
other
counties
if
they
have
detainers
lodged
against
them
in
county
detention,
centers
or
the
department
of
corrections
call
to
move
an
inmate
or
another
facility
before
they
completely
adjudicated
all
charges
the
county
detention
center.
The
department
of
corrections
would
then
be
tasked
with
moving
the
inmates
to
court
to
all
the
court
appearances
and
proceedings
not
to
sheriffs.
H
Some
of
the
applicable
krs's
are
going
to
have
to
have
modification
that
this
changes
come
about
the
chaos
the
kentucky
sheriff's
association
is
willing
to
work
towards
an
equitable
solution
to
resolve
issues
facing
all
parties
involved.
The
ksa
is
willing
to
sit
down
to
meet,
discuss
and
work
with
this
group
or
any
other
group
to
help
solve
these
problems.
H
The
ksa
was
also
asked
to
discuss
about
mental
health
issues
and
transports
and
evaluation.
This
problem
is
a
law
enforcement
issue
not
only
involving
the
ksa,
but
our
partners
of
the
kacp
and
the
kacp
executive
director.
Sean
butler
could
not
be
here
today,
but
he
issues
the
same
sentiments
in
all
the
chiefs
that
we
have
spoke
to.
We
have
discussed
these
problems
with
the
chiefs
and
are
having,
in
all
the
areas,
both
organizations,
the
ksa
and
kacp
plan
on
meeting
further
discuss
these
issues.
I
can
touch
on
some
of
the
subjects
as
I
was.
H
I
have
spoken
with
chiefs
and
sheriffs
across
the
commonwealth
law
enforcement
officials
across
the
commonwealth
have
become
mental
health,
counselors
mental
and
mental
medical
personnel,
wearing
only
one
hat,
with
assisting
caring
transporting
mental
health
patients
for
long
periods
of
time.
Under
our
current
system,
I
will
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
major
beach
at
this
time.
I
Well,
I
think
that
covered
most
of
the
issues
as
far
as
the
transportation
goes
and
how
we're
getting
in
moving
prisoners
county
jail
instead
of
abilities
but
an
example.
Our
jail
has
housed
federal
prisoners.
Obviously
they
make
more
of
housing
than
federal
prisoners.
The
rate
right
now,
there's
70
a
day
for
federal
prisoner
and
for
the
state
inmates
they're
getting
31.34.
I
So
you
can
see
the
big
difference.
There's
38.66
a
day
difference
what
they're
making
of
federal
prisoners
so
they're,
obviously
trying
to
adjust
with
the
county
beds
that
they
need
for
the
county
inmates
bed
inmates
which
they're
required
to
have
so
many
beds
available
they're.
They
only
have
a
minimum
of
the
state
inmates
that
they're
able
to
house
so
they're
having
to
ship
them
out
well.
Simpson
county,
for
instance,
is
one
of
the
jails
that
has
beds
usually
left
and
obviously
until
cove
at
19.
I
Things
have
shut
down
at
this
point,
we're
not
hauling
anything
before
cope
at
19
running
to
all
these
other
counties
to
all
prisoners
back
that
should
have
been
still
left
in
our
in
our
facility
here
and
I'll.
Give
you,
for
instance,
with
simpson
county
simpson
county
would
call
on
mondays
to
our
jail.
Ask
them
who
they
had.
If
they
had
any.
They
would
send
two
bands
up
on
tuesday
to
pick
inmates
out
of
boone
county
transferred
to
simpson
county.
I
Well,
then,
they're
still
not
adjudicated
in
our
county
and
then
here
we
are,
as
the
sheriff's
stuck
to
go,
get
them
clemson
county
from
boone
county
is
225
miles
away.
So
we're
running
a
450
mile
trip
round
trip
to
go
pick
up.
One
inmate
for
court,
like
pat
said
may
only
last.
One
minute
may
not
even
happen,
maybe
two
hours
and
keep
in
mind
so
at
450
miles
we're
receiving
39
cents
a
mile.
So
it's
costing
the
state
175
dollars
just
for
the
mileage.
I
You
take
two
deputy
that
nine
hours
each
down
and
back
at
nine
dollars
an
hour,
which
is
nothing
that
we
make
it's
162.
So
it's
337
dollars
that
it
costs
the
state
just
for
us
to
go,
get
that
one
inmate
that
should
have
been
still
in
our
county
jail,
but
it
and
then
so.
That's
the
loss
to
the
state
337
dollars,
but
the
loss
of
the
sheriff's
office
is
even
greater
because
we
don't
pay
our
deputies
not
dollars
an
hour.
I
My
lowest
paying
deputy
is
twenty
dollars
an
hour
and
most
of
them
average
twenty
four
to
twenty
eight
dollars
an
hour,
so
the
cost
of
that
at
twenty
four
dollars
an
hour.
It's
432
dollars
for
me
to
run
down
there
and
back
that
doesn't
count.
My
mileage
that's
just
time
for
the
deputies
going
down.
There
doesn't
count
fuel
at
about
30
gallons
to
drive
down
there
and
back,
which
is
about
60
dollars.
So
you
can
see
the
cost
difference
that
we're
losing
hauling
these
prisoners
and
that's
right.
I
Crews
are
here
now:
we've
got
to
turn
around,
take
the
prisoner
back
to
simpson
county
when
they're
done
and
so
the
state's
out
another
337
dollars
so
they're
out
almost
700
for
one
prisoner.
That
could
have
stayed
here.
I
So
the
cost
is
just
I
mean
when
it
comes
to
our
jail.
Our
jail
is
pretty
self-sufficient
and
that's
due
to
them
housing
the
federal
inmates
well
at
what
cost,
because
they
may
be
breaking
even
and
not
costing
our
county
anything,
but
the
sheriff
is
absorbing
the
cost
of
us
having
to
go.
Get
these
prisoners
here
and
there
a
great
granite
covet.
I
19
has
shut
everything
down
and
for
all
of
us
of
the
sheriff's
association
across
the
state,
we're
not
home
prisoners,
harley
at
all,
right
now
and
and
the
judges
that
finally
learned
that
video
arraignment
works
because
that's
been
an
issue
since
I've
been
here.
I've
been
here
31
years
and
I've
been
running.
This
justice
center
for
17.
I
I
I
That
you
know
need
a
10-day
hearing
within
10
days
and
I'll
give
you,
for
instance,
jefferson
county
will
not
do
any
video
arrangements
with
any
of
our
courts.
So
there's
an
issue
right
there.
Our
judges
are
wanting
us
already
to
go
get
them.
I
can't
go
get
them
until
they
sit
in
that
facility
14
days
right
now,
so,
but
there
again
we're
still
having
to
move
them
back
and
forth,
and
it's
just
it's
just
a
burden
on
everybody.
I
It's
a
burden
on
the
jail,
it's
a
burden
on
the
sheriff's
association
and
then
the
cost,
like
the
cost,
has
not
gone
up
in
over
15
years,
and
I
think
judge
tech
iterated
that
it's
how
long
it's
been
since
we've
had
any
rate
increases.
I
You
know
my
daughter,
17
years
old
works
at
the
towsie
house,
which
is
a
local
restaurant
here,
she's
a
hostess.
She
makes
ten
dollars
an
hour.
My
guy,
I
can't
pay
a
guy
nine
dollars,
I'm
not
gonna
get
a
guy
nine
dollars
an
hour
in
boone
county
to
come
and
haul
a
prisoner.
It's
not
gonna
happen,
they
can
go,
they
can
go
to
a
restaurant
and
make
that
and
be
safe,
not
transporting
the
prisoner.
I
mean
we
have
when
we
hire
them.
I
We
hire
people
who
are
law
enforcement
or
have
been
in
corrections.
We
don't
hire
anybody
outside
of
there
and
you
got
to
pay
them.
I
mean
you
have
to
pay
them
to
be
able
to
do
this
job
and
do
it
right
and
be
safe
and
so
the
costs
all
the
way.
I
mean
we're,
obviously
losing
a
lot
of
money,
probably
double
for
every
trip
that
we
haul.
I
Fortunately,
for
us,
our
county
is,
you
know,
a
big
county
and
we
do
have
a
great
tax
income
coming
in,
but
for
these
other
counties
I
don't
know
how
they
survive,
especially
just
like
pat
was
talking
with
the
sheriff
of
just
three
deputies.
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it.
I
I
don't
know
how
they
transport
and
and
stay
afloat,
because
I
just
I
don't
get
it
and
something
has
to
be
done
or
something
has
to
change
and-
and
it
really
has
to
be
looked
into
on
how
these
prisoners
are
transferred
out,
I
mean
there's
got
to
be
some
priority
and
cost,
but
I
mean
it's
crazy
to
think
that
it's
cost
a
thousand
dollars
to
go,
get
a
prisoner.
I
That
needs
to
be
here
for
court
for
one
minute
when
he
could
have
been
in
this
jail
and
stayed
here
until
we're
done,
and
it's
not
our
jailer's
fault
either.
I
don't
I
mean
it's,
it's
just
a
collaboration
of
deaths.
I
mean
the
state's
calling
them
up
and
telling
them
they're
ready.
I
don't
know
why
they're
not
checking
them.
My
niece
works
down
there
and
she
says
they
have
access
to
all
those
records.
B
B
I
said
my
first
testified
here.
There's
a
lady
whose
son
was
taken
to
eastern
state
hospital
40-plus
times
in
the
back
of
a
police
cruiser,
it's
just
not
right.
It
shouldn't
be
done.
I
would
love
to
work
with
you
on
that
piece.
I
don't
know
if
it's
just
a
202-a,
involuntary
commitment
piece
for
the
others.
That's
got
to
be
a
part
of
it.
You
know
you're
transporting
down
to
eastern
state
hospital.
I
suspect.
H
Yes,
sir
right:
yes,
we
transport
cat
and
boone
and
campbell
transport,
the
majority
kitten
in
canton.
We
have
a
facility
called
some
behavioral.
B
H
Saint
elizabeth,
where
they
have
they
have
mental
health.
They
they
house
them
who
have
medical
issues
and
we,
as
the
sheriff,
are
the
ones
who
are
the
ones
tasked
with
moving
to
mental
health
patients.
Major
beach
has
the
same
problem.
We
move
them
with
medical
conditions
and
there's
times
where
our
we
work
well
with
st
elizabeth
hospital,
the
people
with
medical
conditions,
they'll
pay
for
the
ambulance
to
go
down.
There's
not
a
lot
of
state
funding
that
pays
for
an
ambulance,
so
we
are
tasked
to
take
them
down
now
I'll,
be
I'll!
H
Tell
you
that
we
as
sheriffs
in
in
the
northern
kentucky
area.
We
are
very
close
group
and
a
lot
of
sheriffs
are
doing
this
when
they're
having
medic.
They
have
medical
conditions.
We're
refusing
to
do
this
at
times.
It
is
a
court
order,
we're
not
trying
to
be
disrespectful,
but
all
the
liabilities
and
issues
fall
on
us
because
either
we're
taking
a
van
full
of
people
or
we're
taking
one
in
the
back
of
a
cruiser
who
has
medical
conditions.
H
H
You
know
involuntary
hospitalization
through
the
courts
or
who
have
been
on
to
a
scene
where
there's
a
crisis
where
there's
a
mental
health
situation
and
we're
stuck
and
tasked
with
hope,
take
care
of
these
patients.
People
who
are
who
are
in
trouble
for
three
to
five
to
seven
to
eight
nine
ten
hours
at
a
time.
I
And
even
let
me
add
to
that
pat
because
right
now
in
boone-
and
I
think
pat
and
we're
doing
the
same
thing,
because
we
all
deal
with
saint
elizabeth's
and
son
behavioral
but
and
we've
met
well
with
all
the
directors
and
stuff
there
tried
to
get
things.
You
know
work
this
and
to
help
things
along,
but
they're
going.
Our
judges
now
are
doing
what's
called
a
fast
track:
mental
health.
I
If
someone
is
really
out
of
control,
just
you
know
belligerent
they
can't
handle
them
that
same
either.
It's
well,
they
leave
them
from
sun
is
only
for
people
who
obviously
behave
if
they're
out
of
control.
They
move
them
to
saint
e,
put
them
in
the
icu,
and
then
they
do
a
fast
track.
Mental
health.
I
Well,
that
requires
me
to
have
someone
either
come
out
at
night
and
transport
them
to
eastern
or
set
up
for
the
very
next
morning
at
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
transport
them
now
now
they
are
setting
up
medical
transport
for
them,
they're
having
the
ambulances
transport
them
down,
but
we
still
have
to
follow
them.
We
still
have
to
follow
the
ambulance
down
and
the
person's
strapped
in
a
cot
medicated
somewhat
when
they
take
them
down,
but
then
they
still
expect.
If
something
happens
for
us,
you
know
the
ambulance
pulls
over.
I
Then
we're
supposed
to
do
what
we
don't
know,
because
we're
not
the
medical
technicians
and
they're
strapped
down,
there's
really
nothing.
We
can
do,
but
that's
what
they
require
us
to
do.
They
require
us
to
take
two
deputies
and
follow
the
ambulance
down
to
eastern
state,
and
just
it's
like
pat
says
it
makes
no
sense,
we're
not
medical
people
and
it's
knock
on
wood.
Luckily,
we've
not
had
anyone
an
issue,
but
it's
going
to
become
an
issue.
I
One
of
these
days
we're
going
to
run
into
the
problem
someone's
going
to
go
in
the
cardiac
arrest
or
someone's
going
to
have
something
and
they're
going
to
end
up
passing
away
and
then
we're
going
to
be
stuck
we're
going
to
be
the
ones
rival
and
sued.
No
one
else
is
responsible
for
it,
not
the
hospital,
not
the
judges,
no
one.
It's
going
to
be
following
the
sheriff's
department.