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A
We
have
a
quorum
duly
constituted
to
conduct
business
and
we
still
have
the
minutes
of
the
July
19th
meeting
to
approve
so
I'd
ask
for
any
motion.
A
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
all
in
favor
of
accepting
those
minutes
about
saying
aye
opposed
like
sign,
and
those
minutes
are
approved.
A
First
topic
on
the
agenda
is
the
2023
Kentucky
employee
health
plan
every
year,
either
in
September
or
October.
We
hear
from
the
Personnel
cabinet
on
the
changes
anticipated
and
and
being
pushed
forward
and
I'm
sure,
like
many
most
of
you
in
this
room
in
you've,
received
a
letter
that
the
changes
are
on
the
way
and
October
10th
I
believe
they
start.
So
please
introduce
yourself,
commissioner,
and.
D
Deputy,
okay,
Mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
I'm
going
to
Decay
spearm
deputy
secretary
of
the
Kentucky
Personnel
cabinet
and
with
the
resignation
of
commissioner
Reina
Diaz
Dempsey
Diaz.
She
is
retiring
effective
last
week
and
we
have
a
new
commissioner,
effective
October
1st.
A
D
D
So
we
have
a
new
commissioner
and
Deputy
Commissioner,
effective
this
Friday
right
and
the
new
commissioner
Sharon
Burton
and
I'm
honored
to
introduce
her.
She
began
her
career
with
state
government
in
1994,
at
the
Department
of
Insurance,
serving
as
legal
counsel,
general
counsel
and
director
of
health
and
life,
the
health
and
Life
Division
in
2013.
She
joined
the
Personnel
cabinet
serving
as
legal
counsel
for
our
branches
and
departments
that
provide
a
variety
of
employee
benefits
such
as
life
insurance
workers,
comp
and
Kentucky
employees
help
Health
Plan
July
of
2020.
D
She
became
the
Deputy
Commissioner
of
Deni
and
effective.
This
Friday
she'll
become
the
commissioner.
Chris
chamness
brings
a
wealth
of
experience
to
his
position.
He
brings
his
experience
with
regulatory
and
compliance
in
the
private
and
public
sectors
before
joining
the
Personnel
cabinet.
He
gained
diverse
experience
in
the
legal
arena
in
Washington,
DC
and
Maryland
he's
held
management
roles
with
the
U.S
Department
of
Commerce
and
the
U.S
Census
Bureau
in
Lexington.
D
C
Yes,
I'm
Sharon
Burton,
as
as
the
deputy
secretary
indicated
and
Chris
is
going
to
begin.
Our
presentation.
F
Yes
and
I'm,
mindful
of
the
committee's
time,
I'm
going
to
be
going
quickly
through
these
background
slides.
But
of
course,
if
any
of
you
have
questions,
please
just
stop
me
I'm
happy
to
answer
them
starting
off
just
a
quick
overview.
As
you
see,
School
boards
represent
a
majority
of
our
members,
followed
by
retirees
under
the
age
of
65,
state
agencies
and
quasi-governmental
groups.
Membership
continues
to
be
geographically
diverse
with
members
in
every
County
of
the
Commonwealth.
F
This
presents
a
challenge
when
we
consider
benefit
programs,
as
we
have
both
very
rural
and
very
urban
populations
that
may
have
different
needs
and
priorities.
So,
for
example,
one
of
the
things
we
consider
is
internet
connectivity
in
rural
areas.
When
we
talk
about
programs
related
to
Telehealth,
for
example,
we've
seen
a
plan
holder
numbers
decline
slightly
over
time
as
plain
holders
decline,
so
do
premium
receipts
a
declining
membership,
May
lower
total
claims
proportionally,
but
it
could
also
be
a
financial
pressure
point
for
the
plan,
especially
if
lower
membership
changes
the
risk
pool.
F
Our
hope
is
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
enrollment
of
at
least
a
similar
percentage
of
younger
and
healthier
members
to
help
defray
the
claims
risk,
but
time
will
tell
looking
at
the
covered
a
lives
Trend,
so
so
this
includes
spouses
and
dependents.
After
seeing
an
increase
in
total
covered
lives
in
2020,
we
have
seen
a
decrease
in
the
two-year
sense,
mirroring
our
other
plan,
holder
numbers
net
payments
and
claims
by
year.
Although
membership
is
decreasing,
average
net
payments
per
claim
continue
to
grow.
F
Over
the
years
year,
2020
deviates
from
an
otherwise
consistent
Trend
here
of
rising
payments
and
claims
year
over
year
in
recent
history,
that
deviation
is
likely
due
to
covid
our
Actuarial
Consultants
expect
the
trend
of
rising
claims
to
continue.
The
commissioner
will
talk
more
about
that.
In
her
session
we
get
related
to
plan
expenses.
This
image
should
be
familiar
to
many
of
you.
It
reflects
how
we
are
maximizing
the
use
of
premiums
to
provide
coverage
to
members
with
low
relative
administrative
costs.
Claims
payments
reflect
a
large
majority
of
plan
expenses.
F
This
slide
here
reflects
aggregated
kehp
claims
and
data
cost
Trends,
showing
that
the
financial
trends
for
the
plan
over
time
is
broadly
tracking,
the
broader
health
insurance
Market.
We
did
experience
a
downturn
in
2020,
but
a
rebound
in
2021
that
we
expect
will
carry
into
2022..
The
commissioner
will
now
explain
our
projections
and
financials
for
the
remainder
of
2022
and
Beyond,
as
well
as
highlight
some
specific
programs
for
members.
C
So
when
we
consider
what
we're
looking
at
at
20
in
2022
and
and
going
forward,
one
of
the
the
things
where
we're
watching
is
price
inflation,
which
can
show
itself
in
higher
wages
in
the
health
care
sector
and
and
even
specialty,
drugs
or
non-specialty
drugs,
so
chronic
conditions
is,
is
also
something
that
we
keep
an
eye
on
regularly
to
see
where
our
expenditures,
our
largest
expenditures,
are
spending
around
chronic
conditions
in
terms
of
prevalence
and
and
increasing
cost
continues
to
drive
medical
and
prescription
drug
costs.
C
Upward
Behavioral
Health
is
something
else.
That
is
another
area
where
we've
seen
continued
increase
in
utilization.
That's
good
thing,
that's
positive!
It's
a
it's
a
it's
just
a
small
subset
of
of
our
yearly
expenditures,
but
we
are
watching
that
utilization
grow
traditional
drugs.
That's
on
the
list,
because
there
are,
there
are
no
impactful
generics
in
the
pipeline
that
would
defray
the
the
cost
of
brand
drugs
at
this
particular
time.
So
we
hope
that
changes.
The
good
news
is
for
2022.
C
Our
claims
experience
is
is
favorable
it's
better
than
what
we
had
projected
at
this
point.
We
don't
know
that
if
it's
because
of
the
deductibles
and
and
maximum
out
of
pockets
that
reset
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
but
but
the
time
time
will
tell
again-
and
we
hope
that
that
favorable
Trend
continues
for
2023
plan
year,
we're
grateful
and
thankful
and
appreciative
of
of
you,
the
legislature
for
passing
in
your
budget.
C
The
the
10
employer,
premium,
contribution
increase
that
helped
take
the
burden
off
of
the
employee
and
and
to
the
extent
that
we
were
able
to
keep
the
employee
increases
static.
So
there
will
be
no
employee
premium
contribution
increases
for
2023.,
also
no
changes
to
co-pays,
coinsurance
deductibles
or
a
maximum
amount
of
pockets.
C
Another
thing
that
we
did
is
we
eliminated
the
Living
Well
High
deductible
plan.
To
be
honest,
that
wasn't
a
great
plan.
It
was
a
plan
that
we
had
had
put
in
as
our
default
plan
when
we
compared
that
plan
to
the
living
will
basic
cdhp
plan,
the
the
premium
differential
was
very
nominal
compared
to
the
increase
in
benefits.
You
got
with
the
the
basic
plan,
so
we
eliminated
the
high
deductible
plan
and
the
Living
Well
basic
cdhp
with
no
HRA
funds
will
be
the
new
default
plan
for
employees
who
don't
affirmatively.
C
Enroll
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
program
that
we
put
into
place
when,
when
we
took
a
look
at
our
musculoskeletal
conditions
spend
for
2021.
That
spend
was
just
a
little
under
200
million
dollars.
So
we
wanted
to
do
something
to
address
that
and
and
try
to
decrease
those
costs.
So
we
implemented
in
March
of
2022
hinge
Health,
which
is
a
a
digital
at
home
in
the
office
Physical
Therapy
Program
we
we've
got.
C
We
have
currently
5560
members
enrolled
in
that
program,
which
is
really
good
engagement
for
our
health
plan
and
we
did
a
12-week
review
of
that
program
and,
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
the
slide.
You'll
see
that
those
that
were
engaged
in
the
program
indicated
that
they
had
a
52
percent
pain
reduction,
66
percent
surgery
reduction
in
surgery
likelihood.
There
was
a
82
percent
reduction
in
anxiety
and
a
79
reduction
in
depression.
C
So
we're
excited
about
those
results
and
are
looking
forward
to
seeing
you
know
what
they're
rest
of
the
year
holds
for
that
program,
just
to
highlight
what
we're
doing
on
the
behavioral
health
side,
as
I
indicated
utilization
for
Behavioral
Health
is
increasing
and
it's
increasing
year
over
year.
So
I
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
programs
that
we
have
that
are
resources
for
our
members.
We
have
live
Health,
Online,
Behavioral
Health,
where
our
members
can
access
a
therapist.
They
can
get
appointments
with
therapists
online,
so
they
don't
have
to
go
to
Brick
and
Mortar.
C
C
They
also
have
24
access
to
Dedicated
Behavior
experts,
and
they
have
a
vast
array
of
resources
through
the
rethink
care
website
and,
lastly,
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
Diabetes.
These
programs
have
been
in
place
for
for
quite
a
while
with
the
health
plan,
but
I
wanted
to
to
just
touch
on
them.
So
so
you'll
be
aware
that
we
have
our
value-based
benefits
where
our
members
can
bypass
their
deductible
and
they
get.
They
have
reduced
co-pays
and
co-insurance
for
their
diabetes
medication
and,
of
course
they.
C
We
also
have
the
30
maximum
co-pay
for
a
30-day
supply
of
insulin.
Lark
is
available
to
our
members
with
pre-diabetes.
That's
our
diabetes
prevention
program
and
that's
administered
through
Anthem
as
well
and
last
year
we
we
implemented
a
no
copay
for
diabetes,
self-management,
education
and
support
programs.
We
haven't
had
a
lot
of
uptick
in
in
usage,
even
even
though
there
is
no
co-pay,
but
we
are
working
with
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
to
educate
and
engage
our
members
in
that
program.
C
So
lastly,
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
Kentucky
employees
health
plan
is
a
a
two
billion
dollar
Health
Plan
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
work
to
collect
premium,
administer
benefits,
field,
consumer
issues
reconcile
and
pay
vendor
invoices.
So
a
lot
of
work
is
being
done
at
the
department
of
employee
Insurance,
we're
proud
of
our
health
plan.
A
Foreign.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
have
some
questions,
I'm
sure
and
the
first
one
will
come
from
our
representative
from
Franklin
County.
G
Thank
you
chairman,
of
course,
in
my
district,
this
is
very
important
and,
first
of
all
let
me
thank
you
all
with
our
state
employees
getting
a
cost
of
living
increase
and
holding
the
amount
of
health
insurance.
That's
a
that's
a
great
thing,
because
they're
able
to
keep
what
the
state
is
going
to
provide
them.
So
I
I
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
you
all
for
getting
this
and
I
just
wanted
to
look
I'm.
G
Looking
at
the
first,
your
plan
holder,
enrollment
trend,
and
you
show
that
you
have
six
thousand
fewer
plan
holders
for
22
than
there
were
for
2019.,
and
you
may
have
said
it,
but
is
it
because
some
of
our
employees
are
taking
on
their
spouses
insurance
or
what
is
the
cost
I
mean?
You
may
have
said
it
in
your
presentation,
but
if
you
can
repeat
as
to
why
you
have
such
a
tremendous
amount
of
plan
holders
for
for.
C
G
C
I
I
don't
know
if
Chris
mentioned
the,
why
I
mean
we
have
some
some
assumptions.
I
think
part
of
it
may
have
been
the
great
resignation
that
we'd
all
hear
about.
So
so
we
have
fewer
employees.
C
G
G
A
You're
welcome
Senator
Southworth.
H
Thank
you.
I
know
that
those
different
member
plan,
special
things
that
you
listed
up
there,
the
behavioral
health,
the
whatever
I'm-
also
thinking
of
the
pilot
project
for
acupuncture
in
Lexington
that
I
became
aware
of
I-
think
maybe
a
little
over
a
year
ago
that
was
coming
I
think
we're
still
ongoing,
actually
tried
to
make
appointment.
I,
don't
know,
never
got
called
back.
H
I
really
want
to
try
calling
again,
but
I,
don't
think
we
can
figure
out
how
the
pilot
went
if
we
don't
know
how
to
use
it,
and
perhaps
these
are
going
out
in
personal
memos
to
all
the
executive
branch
employees,
but
are
these
going
out
and
I,
don't
recall
unless
I'm,
just
not
seeing
them
in
my
emails
for
all
the
lrc,
we
obviously
all
members
as
well
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
here
that
aren't
executive
branch
employees
that
are
still
khpa
kehp
members.
Are
we
getting?
C
No
I
mean
we,
we
communicate
often
so
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
perplexed
why
you
might
not
be
receiving
those.
It
makes
me
think
that
maybe
we
need
to
look
at
what,
where
our
delivery
system
is
to
make
sure
you
are
getting
them,
but
but
I
I
would
say
practically
every
week
we're
sending
out
an
email
of
some
sort
to
to
our
members.
C
So
I'll
certainly
look
into
that
to
make
sure
that
that
you're
on
the
list
on
the
the
whole
legislative
committee
is
on
the
list
and
they're
getting
those
okay.
Thank
you.
F
Just
to
follow
up
briefly
on
on
the
acupuncture
program,
because
you
did
mention
that
that
program
is
indeed
ongoing.
I
know
that
they
have
had
some
staffing
changes
over
there.
But
you
know
to
the
extent
that
you
have
trouble
getting
a
hold
of
them
by
all
means
reach
out
to
our
member
services
hotline,
and
they
can
try
to
force
through
a
communication
to
be
sure
that
they're
responsive,
that
that
should
be
their
role
to
get
back
in
touch
with
you,
so
that
you
can
set
an
appointment.
A
Great
Senator
Alvarado.
I
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
all
for
the
update
on
the
on
the
employee
health
plan.
My
biggest
question
comes
on:
prescription
claims
and
Pharmacy
Benefit
Management.
I
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
here
in
the
state
on
pbms
and
we've
uncovered
a
lot
of
I.
Think
abuse
within
our
Medicaid
system,
and
probably
what
it's
looking
like
is
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
in
savings
to
taxpayers
into
our
Medicaid
system.
I
So
obviously,
that's
one
of
the
focuses
I
think
we're
going
to
be
looking
at.
We
had
a
house
bill
passed
or
passing
the
house
I
think
it
didn't
pass
the
Senate
House
Bill
457
last
year.
That
I
think
would
have
done
this
Beyond
just
Medicaid
throughout
the
entire
state
would
have
been.
You
know,
kind
of
looked
at
this.
We
also
passed
Senate
Bill
178,
looking
for
an
RFP
to
start
taking
a
look
at
our
employee
health
plan.
I
I
We
have
less
people
in,
but
our
costs
on
really
on
Pharmaceuticals
I
think
are
staying
about
the
same
or
they
may
be
a
little
bit
less
I
guess
on
the
on
the
number:
seven
on
your
past
Trends
there
for
medical
and
Pharmacy
Trends,
but
just
how
do
we
have
that
right
now,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
tomorrow
in
Health
and
Welfare
that
might
open
some
eyes
on
how
those
numbers
are
looking
for
the
state,
employee
health
plan
and
how
much
savings
it
could
potentially
be
if
we
brought
that
back
in
underneath
us
and
not
defer
that
out.
C
We
we
contract
with
a
PBM
CBS
is
our
PBM
that
administers
our
prescription
benefits.
We
have
several
different
programs
within
CVS
that
that
the
the
goal
is
to
reduce
the
cost
and
and
and
get
savings
from
from
how
they
administer
our
health
plan,
the
prescription
drugs.
We
have
a
on
at
CVS
right
now
doing
a
market
check,
and
we
do
that
every
year
to
make
sure
what
the
health
plan
is
paying
for
drugs
is
what
the
market
says.
We
should
be
paying
for
drugs,
so
that
usually
results
in
significant
savings.
A
Excuse
me,
commissioner,
if,
if
we
could
all
get
back
on
page
six
of
your
slides
prescription,
administrative
expenses,
0.5
percent
of
of
pre
premium
and
that's
the
Aon
and
the
Caremark
cost
of
the
28.1
prescription
claims,
that's.
C
That
the
the
administration
expenses
that
we
paid
to
CVS
for,
like
a
dollar
a
claim
dollar
fifty
a
claimant,
doesn't
have
really
have
anything
to
do
with
the
drug
prices.
The
prescription
claims
28.1
percent,
that
is
the
prescription
drug
prices
that
we
are
paying
all.
I
You
have
just
really
quickly
so
again,
I'm
just
curious
to
know
how
do
we
know
how
much
transparency
is
there,
because
we
haven't
had
much
of
that
when
it
came
to
our
Medicaid
programs,
when
we
asked
for
that
information,
a
lot
of
resistance
from
them,
providing
us
that
we
had
to
pass
a
law
to
get
that
information
out
of
them
and
then,
when
we
uncovered
it
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
in
savings,
and
so
that
can
be
buried
underneath
the
prescription
claims
themselves
plenty
of
negotiations
that
they
make
behind
the
scenes
that
isn't
passed
down
to
our
consumers
and
that
what
we
see
is
with
these
pbms
they'll
negotiate
a
bundled
rate,
some
kind
of
reduction
they're,
the
ones
who
get
that
and
and
so
these
28.1
percent
in
claims.
I
I
think
that
you'll
be
interested
in
maybe
watching
to
see
I
think
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
reforms
Statewide
not
just
for
Medicaid
but
across
all
Insurance
lines
across
the
state,
employee
health
plan,
because
I
think
we're
all
being
taken
to
the
Woodshed
by
a
lot
of
our
partners
on
this
who
claim
to
be
doing
things
in
the
best
interest
for
our
employees.
You
probably
could
save
more
money
for
our
employees.
We
brought
this
back
in
and
uncovered
a
lot
of
this,
so
I
would
encourage
all
members
to
watch
tomorrow.
Yeah.
C
And
and
I
would
say
to
in
that
regard,
that
we
would
welcome
some
reforms
with
respect
to
pbms
and
and
would
hope
that
we're
at
the
table
when
it
comes
to
what
those
reforms
look
like
and
how
they
may
impact
the
health
plan.
So.
I
I
C
Yeah
and
and
I
don't
disagree
that
it
is
within
our
purview
and
I
believe
our
contract
is
very
transparent.
Could
it
be
more
transparent?
Yes,
it
could
and
we
are
actually
getting
ready
to
go
to
RFP
for
our
PBM
and
we're
looking
at
the
different
models
that
are
out
there
and
and
models
that
may
or
may
not
be
compatible
with
our
procurement
code.
So
we
are
researching
that
and
hopefully
we
can
find
a
a
model
that
works
for
us
yeah.
F
As
the
commissioner
mentioned,
you
know
as
part
of
that
process.
We
are
talking
to
other
states
as
well
to
learn
some
best
practices.
The
Dei
is
is
has
a
membership
and
in
a
couple
of
of
Industry
organizations
where
PBM
transparency
is
a
frequent
topic
Senator
and
and
as
you
point
out
rightfully
so
so
we're
we
are
willing
to
think
outside
the
box
when
it
comes
to
Contracting
time
and
and
make
sure
that
we
expand
upon
the
audit
rights
that
we
already
have
in
our
present
contract,
as
well
as
expand
transparency.
One.
I
Thought
might
be
that
if
they're
negotiating
contracts
behind
closed
doors,
instead
of
them
getting
those
profits,
that
money
goes
back
to
the
consumer
at
the
time
of
purchase
of
that
medication,
and
that
could
be
something
that
could
be
easily
put
into
a
contract
to
say
if
they've
negotiated
anything
behind
the
scenes,
no
one
ever
gets
to
see
those
contracts,
but
that
money
doesn't
come
back
to
the
consumer
when
they
pay
for
that
medication.
They
keep
those
savings
as
part
of
their
margin,
so
it
goes
maybe
even
beyond
the
administration
expense.
I
A
Very
good,
we
have
Senator
McDaniel.
J
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
commissioner,
welcome
I'm
to
your
right
kind
of
write,
a
sentence
so
I
wanted
to
shift
gears
just
a
little
bit
and
I.
Don't
know
that
there's
necessarily
a
question
here
so
much
as
a
statement
and
I'll
try
to
not
make
it
an
extended
one,
and
the
idea
is
that
the
best
drug
you
can
ever
have
is
the
one
you
never
need
and
to
me
societally
we're
making
it
and
have
been
for
35
or
40
years.
J
This
is
not
a
criticism
of
you
guys,
but
we've
been
making
a
huge
Miss.
You
know
the
very
the
very
basics
of
preventative
stuff,
basic
diet
and
exercise.
You
know
the
the
things
that
all
the
data
will
bear
out
has
effects
on
Mental
Health,
joint
health,
heart
health,
lung
Health,
diabetes,
I
mean
you
know:
1300
increase
in
diabetes
in
the
last
40
years
in
the
nation.
You
know
all
these
things
it's
demonstrable
and
yet
we
we
want
to
push
the
benefits
of
the
plan,
but
we
as
a
society.
J
We
do
a
very
bad
job
of
pushing
the
benefits
of
individual
responsibility,
ability
for
your
own
health
and
avoidance
of
being
in
some
of
these
scenarios.
What
can
we
do
to
be
better
about
that
and
to
start
that
conversation
in
a
more
deliberate
manner
that
there's
things
that
can
happen
way
before
you
have
to
get
to
some
of
these
sad
eventualities
that
are
good
for
you
and
you
know
necessarily
have
to
result
in
savings
for
the
plan
as
well.
Right.
C
So
we
have
a
wellness
program
and
we're
constantly
looking
at
that
program
to
see
is
the
money
we're
putting
into
that
program
really
really
helping
us
on
the
back
end.
I
totally
agree
with
you.
What
we
have
as
a
problem
in
our
population
is
the
willingness
to
to
engage
to,
to
go
to
your
primary
care
physician
and
get
your
preventive
care.
C
I
totally
agree
with
you
that
that
that
is
a
focus
that
we
need
to
take.
You
know
when
we're
looking
at
Chronic
conditions.
C
What
can
we
do
before
we
get
to
a
200
million
dollar
spend
in
musculoskeletal
conditions,
so
I
I,
absolutely
think
that
is
a
priority
for
us
that
that
we
need
to
concentrate
on
and
and
and
get
people
into
their
Physicians,
so
they
can
early
detect
conditions
that
that
might
be
thwarted
eventually
willing.
Some.
J
Certainly-
and
you
know,
to
the
extent
that
there's
ever
any
way,
we
can
be
helpful
in
that
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
a
societal
thing
like
I
say
it's
not
a
comment
on
kehp
or
your
leadership
or
anyone
in
particular.
It's
just
a
Devolution
that
we
as
a
society
have
made
and
I
think
we
could
probably
can
control
or
contain
90
of
what
it
is
that
you
guys
have
to
do
at
a
very
low
level
of
you
know,
input
from
the
basic
consumer
and
it's
just
a
larger
conversation.
C
C
But
I
think
it
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
hinge
Health
sends
you
a
portable
laptop
that
you
can
do
your
your
your
therapy
exercises
in
your
office
or
at
home,
so
the
member
doesn't
have
to
go
out
and
and
seek
a
provider
and
and
and
keep
going
and
losing
work
time.
So
maybe
it's
a
convenience
issue,
I,
don't
know,
but
but
yeah
I
agree
with
you.
It's
something
that
we
need
to
to
concentrate
on.
Thank.
A
Welcome
representative
duplicate:
did
you
have
a
point
I.
E
Just
want
to
make
a
quick
point:
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
I
kind
of
wanted
to
piggyback
on
Senator
Alvarado's
comment
in
regards
to
pbm's
I've,
been
told
by
some
drug
Executives
company
Executives
that
oftentimes
rebates
that
are
intended
for
the
end
consumer
are
cashed
in
by
the
pbms,
never
making
it
to
the
consumer,
which
is
obviously
not
the
intent
of
a
of
a
rebate.
C
Rebates
rebates
come
back
to
our
health
plan,
there's
to
be
a
hundred
percent
pass-through
of
rebates
back
to
the
health
plan.
That
is
several
hundred
million
dollars
that
we
put
into
the
trust
fund
that
we
use
to
keep
premiums
for
everybody
down.
So
we
we,
like
that
model,
passing
it
to
one
consumer
at
the
point
of
sale,
doesn't
help
everybody
in
the
health
plan.
It's
just
going
to
help
the
high
utilizers
of
those
drugs
that
that
that
actually
get
the
rebate.
C
So
now
are
we
getting
a
hundred
percent
that
might
be
another
conversation,
but
but
we,
that
is
what
contractually
we
are
supposed
to
get.
Thank.
E
D
My
my
question's
on
slide
nine
on
page
nine,
and
we
just
kind
of
real
quickly
talked
about
this,
but
10
employer
premium
contribution
increase,
but
yet
no
increase
in
employee
premium
contribution.
No
changes
in
copay
co-insurance,
deductibles
maximum
out
of
pockets.
Can
you
explain
your
thought
process
where
if
I
was,
if
this
was
my
business
and
I
was
facing
a
10
cost
to
keep
Insurance
in
place,
I
think
I'd
probably
be
looking
at
the
employee
a
little
bit.
So.
Could
you
explain
that
what
your
thought
process
was
on
that.
C
Sure
so
statutorily
the
health
plan
is
put
in
yearly
silos.
You
have
to
bring
in
as
much
money
in
2022
as
you're
going
to
spend.
So
that's
how
the
the
health
plan
is
managed
on
a
yearly
basis,
because
that's
how
statutorily
we're
set
up.
If
we
make
a
lot
of
money
one
year,
we
can't
go
back
to
2022
if
2023
looks
really
bad.
C
We
have
to
ask
the
legislature
to
get
in
to
to
get
go
back
and
pick
up
some
of
that
Surplus,
so
we're
managing
the
health
plan
on
a
yearly
basis,
so
based
on
the
employer,
premium
contribution
increase
that
was
allowed
for
us.
We
believe
the
projections
are
saying:
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
break
even
without
having
to
put
a
burden
on
the
back
of
the
employees
who
have
had
premium
increases
and
and
changes
in
co-pays
and
coinsurance
over
the
last
several
years.
A
K
A
A
A
Give
this
opportunity
to
the
to
the
vendor
Kentucky
Interactive,
to
provide
their
context.
L
Thank
you
chairman
Miller.
Can
you
hear
me
sorry?
Thank
you.
Chairman
Miller
first
we'd
like
to
thank
the
committee
for
inviting
us
here
to
provide
a
follow-up
for
the
campaign.
Finance
Reporting
System.
My
name
is
Carlos
Luna
I'm,
the
general
manager
of
Kentucky
interactive,
and
this
is
Judge
Palmer
he's
the
director
of
Technologies.
A
L
That's
not
typical
for
your
everyday
solution
or
or
development
life
life
cycle.
Typically,
when
the
scope
grows,
as
you
can
see
in
the
Triangle,
the
time
and
cost
does
increase
and
I
just
have
you
know
that
we
have
never
increased
the
cost
of
anything
that
we've
built
or
any
of
the
requirements
that
we've
added
the
statement
of
work
or
sow
was
broken
up
into
four
milestones.
L
Milestone
one
was
delivering
the
candidate
filing
dashboard
along
with
some
back
office
or
the
kref
agency
component
of
us
accepting
those
filings
that
was
delivered,
k-ref
accepted
and
paid
Milestone
2A
was
the
committee
portion
so
allowing
the
Committees
to
be
able
to
file
and
be
received
in
the
back
office
as
well?
L
The
legal
portions
which
we
have
already
began
development
on
and
are
close
to,
presenting
that
for
testing
the
final
piece
or
the
Milestone
four
is
the
mobile
application,
which
will
be
done
once
the
whole
system
is
complete
so
that
candidates
can
add
fundraisers,
go
into
their
mobile
app
and
add
the
transactions
as
they
are
there
and
not
have
to
go
back
to
a
computer
to
enter
that
mobile.
That
information
in
the
Operational
Support
of
our
of
our
agreement.
L
A
lot
normally
starts
at
the
end
of
the
contract
at
the
end
of
the
completement
of
development
that
we
decided
to
implement
that
ongoing,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
address
some
of
the
scenarios
or
user
stories
that
did
not
go
into
production
when
the
original
requirements
were
provided
and
then.
Lastly,
the
legislative
changes
from
the
2022
General
Assembly
were
those
were
delivered.
L
So,
let's
talk
about
some
of
the
challenges
we've
had
and
why
we
are
here
today.
Initially,
we
had
historical
Legacy
data
challenges.
The
data
that
was
initially
captured
by
k-rath
in
their
system
had
gaps
did
not
have
the
complete
information,
and
so
when
we
went
to
the
import
that
information
into
the
public
search
for
search
capability
for
the
public,
it
provided
inaccuracies
or
or
as
much
inaccuracies,
but
a
disparage
in
data
that
made
things
look
a
little
different
or
incorrect.
L
We
have
since
overcome
that,
to
some
degree
where,
to
most
of
the
degree
where
now
we
either
behind
us
or
we've
added
exceptions
in
the
code
to
be
able
to
exempt
that
those
those
type
of
data
from
being
calculated
into
the
new
information,
so
that
you
are
the
end
users
are
getting
more
accurate
data
agency
process
improvements.
All
right,
moving
from
paper
to
online
is
always
challenging.
L
That
became
a
challenge
because,
as
end
users
are
used
to
going
into
writing
on
paper,
submitting
the
paper
and
then
krf
contacting
them
to
determine
whether
it
has
been
accepted
or
not.
That
was
a
lot
quicker
than
could
be
a
lot
quicker
right
now,
the
system
we
were
building
the
system
as
requested
to
be
able
to
control
or
restrict
the
information
make
sure
that
there
is
the
information
that
is
being
sent
to
the
agency
is
complete.
L
L
The
original
scope
changed
scope
creep,
we
call
it
and
the
IT
world
for
from
various
factors
right.
It
caused
us
to
have
to
rework
some
of
the
development
functionality.
So
if
we
develop
a
specific
function
that
wasn't
taken
into
consideration
for
a
specific
User
Group,
then
we
have
to
redo
that
work
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
it
can
accommodate
all
of
the
end
users
that
are
using
it.
L
We
build
a
system
to
the
requirements
that
are
provided
to
us
and
we
tested
the
agency
tested,
but
sometimes
when
it
gets
to
the
public,
the
public
tries
to
do
something
that
they
aren't
able
to
do.
Then
we'll
have
that's.
When
the
rework
comes
in
the
software
development
cycle
increased
and
the
delivery
times
increased.
L
So
if
a
typical
Treasurer
is
not
in
the
same
building
as
a
candidate
which
probably
is
common,
then
you
don't
have
to
run
or
route
that
paperwork
over
to
the
the
treasurer.
You
can
just
click
the
button.
Send
it
electronically
sign
it
and
automatically
the
notifications
go
out
to
the
intended
users
to
be
able
to
sign
it
electronically,
and
the
system
also
again
ensures
the
proper
collection
of
necessary
data.
L
The
public
search
it
instantly
once
you
file,
if
I
once
a
user
files,
a
financial
statement
it
automatically
gets
populated
to
the
public
search
that
allows
the
public
to
see
the
information
as
it
is
submitted.
L
Historical
data
is
also
available
in
one
search.
Now
you
have
the
historical
data
again
when
we
had
to
import
the
information
we
had
to
create
some
exceptions
so
that
the
old
data
didn't
dilute
or
affect
the
new
data
and
those
have
been
implemented
and
the
data
is
exportable.
So
you
can
export
the
data
reporters
or
and
or
just
the
public
and
export
data
and
kind
of
put
into
a
spreadsheet
and
move
forward
from
there.
L
Next,
we
want
to
talk
about,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
the
legislative
members
that
met
with
us
to
provide
us
feedback
and
the
end
users
that
met
with
us
to
provide
us
feedback.
We'd
like
to
talk
about
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
did
receive
with
regard
to
how
we
can
make
the
system
better
with
krf's
help.
L
Three
key
features
were
adding
a
print
functionality
to
the
report
before
submitting
it.
We
got
that
feedback
quite
a
bit
and
when
advancing
from
advancing
to
the
general
election
from
a
primary,
the
contributors
don't
actually
move
forward
with
that.
So
that
is
all
we
have
to
do
is
make
sure
that
the
contributors
that
you
have
entered
in
in
the
primary
are
available
for
selection
when
you're
entering
them
in
the
general,
then
also
on
the
same
lines.
L
The
expenditures
currently
don't
have
that
capability
you're
just
not
allowed
to
store
the
information
of
your
particular
vendor.
So,
if
you're
making
a
payment
to
PayPal-
and
you
continuously
make
payments
of
PayPal
every
time
you
enter
in
a
transaction,
you
have
to
add
it
over
and
over
again,
you
probably
memorize
the
address
for
that
part.
For
that
matter,
but
that
is
something
is
also
on
the
list
to
be
addressed
so
the
rest
of
the
feet.
L
The
rest
of
the
feedback,
as
you
can
see,
is
here,
and
we,
while
some
of
these
are
the
majority
of
these,
are
in
the
queue
for
being
handled
or
being
taken.
Care
of
we've
been
working
closely
with
kref
to
handle
the
high
priorities
to
make
sure
that
a
filer
can
submit
can
get
the
information
that
if
the
information
is
not
available
to
the
public,
it
is
made
available
immediately.
L
So
we
work
on
the
higher
priorities
in
coordination
with
k-ref
to
make
sure
that
that
is
done,
but
having
a
you
know,
met
with
the
legislator
having
met
with
the
end
user
system,
end
users,
we
want
to
try
to
work
with
them
to
make
sure
we
can
simultaneously
add
these
features,
as
requested.
L
As
far
as
the
public
search,
it's
got
two
major
issues
or
or
feedbacks
that
were
were
requested,
and
that
is
to
make
sure
that
the
public
information
is
available.
Complete
and
reliable
are
available
instantly
right.
So
if
someone
submits
a
financial
statement,
they
a
public
wants
to
make
sure
that
the
data
is
there
as
soon
as
it
is
done
and
if
you're
looking
for
an
opponent
information,
you
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
there,
because
you
filed
yours
on
time
and
yours
is
out
there,
but
the
other
one
is
not
so.
L
We've
implemented
some
retry
functionality
to
try
to
make
sure
that
Network
disruptions
or
any
type
of
nuances
that
occur
on
the
internet
do
not
prevent
that
from
happening
or.
I
L
Help
prevent
that
from
happening,
and
the
other
key
thing
is
improving
the
user
interface,
making
it
more
intuitive.
We're
also
working
with
on
a
plan
to
make
that
more
intuitive
have
a
new
user
interface
that
it
makes
it
easier
for
users
to
do
a
simple
donor
search
of
a
zip
code
and
find
out
who's
donated
to
to
a
specific
candidate.
L
Well,
that
that
brings
us
to
our
resolution
plan
what
we're
committed.
We
are
committed
to
continuous
improvements.
We
want
the
system
to
work.
We
want
the
system
to
be
useful
to
not
only
the
end
users,
but
also
to
the
agency
k-ref,
so,
while
also
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it
meets
krf's
statutes,
regulations
and
business
processes
we're
going
to
work
closely.
Our
goal
is
to
work
closely
with
krf
to
streamline
the
delivery
process
of
the
remaining
items.
L
We
will
work
with
krf
and
the
end
users
to
make
sure
that
the
campaign
Finance
reporting
is
intuitive.
We
get
that.
We've
heard
that
a
lot
from
end
users,
as
well
as
from
the
agency,
that
it
is
not
intuitive,
it's
not
easy
to
maneuver.
We
want
to
help
communicate.
Faqs,
frequently
asked
questions
and
help
tools,
while
you're
in
the
system
maybe
even
collect
some
feedback,
while
you're
submitting
your
report
to
help
establish
what
these
can.
What
these
intuitive
ways
can
help.
L
How
these
intuitive
ways
can
help,
and,
lastly,
we
are
going
to
continue
to
Nest
to
add
necessary
or
allocate
necessary
resources
to
address
the
new
feedback
that
has
been
provided
to
us,
as
well
as
any
other
feedback
that
comes
along
with
it,
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
address
the
end.
Users
needs
as
well
as
address
the
issues
that
are
arising
on
a
daily
basis,.
L
We
want
air
the
committee
to
know
that
Kentucky
interactive
is
committed
to
completing
this
project,
we're
here
in
a
way.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
useful
to
both
the
end
users,
as
well
as
the
agency
kref,
we're
open
to
all
feedback.
We
like
to
hear
the
feedback
from
the
end
users
to
help
make
the
system
better.
L
A
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Mr
Luna,
the
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
ask
Mr
Stefan.
Do
you
want
to
respond
to
questions,
or
would
you
like
to
make
a
statement.
A
M
A
M
Oh,
no,
it's
green
hustle
it
up.
It
looked
green
okay,
John,
Steffen,
executive
director
of
the
registry
of
election
finance
and
with
me
in
the
audience,
is
Teddy
Boone,
my
I.T
specialist.
In
case
we
need
to
hear
from
him
as
well
or
if
you
have
any
questions
for
him
again.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
this
group.
Just
talked
to
you
last
week
or
last
month
and
kind
of
had
the
opportunity
to
express
my
concerns.
M
So
I'm
glad
you
have
a
chance
to
hear
from
Kentucky
interactive
today,
I
wish
I
could
say
and
I
just
I
just
got
this
packet
when
I
walked
in
the
door
today,
but
there's
not
a
lot
of
new
information
in
here
that
I
haven't
been
hearing
for
a
while.
M
Now
you
know
we're
talking
about
a
project
that
should
have
been
done
two
and
a
half
years
ago
and
I
think
that's
that's
the
big
picture
you
all
need
to
keep
focused
on
is
this
project
should
have
been
done
and
over
with
a
long
time
ago,
if
we're
still
working
on
it,
it
should
be
making
improvements
based
on
user
feedback,
not
trying
to
take
user
feedback
while
we're
still
trying
to
build
a
system.
M
We
make
those
changes,
but
that's
not
where
we
are,
and
that's
that's,
where
I'm
kind
of
wondering,
if
we're
ever
going
to
reach
that
point,
as
I
said
last
month,
I'm
just
gonna
address
I
mean
I
could
address
a
lot,
but
just
a
few
points
I've
seen
these
numbers
before
about
the
statement
of
work
requirements
increasing
so
much
I
I,
remember
we
looked
before
we,
we
didn't
really
find
it
credible,
I.
Think,
probably
what
happened
is
we
had
89
requirements
and
then
within
nested
within
those?
Are
these
other
594
Maybe?
M
You
know
we
worked
with
their
team
for
a
good
nine
months,
trying
to
develop
the
scope
of
the
project
before
we
ever
entered
into
an
agreement
with
them.
If,
if
the
scope
wasn't
where
it
needed
to
be
at
that
point,
I
I,
don't
know
you
know
whose
fault
that
is,
but
I
do
believe.
We've
identified.
M
More
work,
but
it's
all
been
with
Under
the
Umbrella
of
the
original
statement
of
work.
The
milestones
we
have
like
was
that
accepted
and
paid
for
the
first
two
listed
here.
I
will
tell
you
that
2A
we
we
accepted
and
paid
for
knowing
there
were
still
issues
we
had
their
assurances.
They
would
continue
to
work
on
those
issues
we
felt
like
in
good
faith.
We
should
give
them
a
payment
because
we
realized
they
had
been
putting
in
work
on
it
and
we
hope
that
by
paying
them
we
would
keep
the
work
going.
M
So
that's
why
that
payment
was
made,
even
though
there
were
still
issues,
and
there
still
are
still
issues
with
the
2A
Milestone
and
there's
a
lot
more
details
under
these
Milestones.
This
is
just
a
high
level
thing
they
put
here,
but
and
no
I
haven't
paid
them
for
Milestone
2B,
because
we're
still
waiting
to
get
through
a
reporting
period
with
no
problems,
and
we
just
had
another
reporting
period
and
I've
I've
got
a
list
of
the
problems
that
we're
actually
keeping
people
from
filing
this
time.
M
For
this,
before
I
came
over
here,
I
had
a
reporter
call
about
some
issues
in
Northern.
Kentucky
I
was
like
you
know,
that's
that's
not
on
those
candidates.
It's
on
the
system
because
they
those
reports
weren't
available
for
them
to
file.
So
we
we
keep
seeing
the
same
problems.
Each
reporting
period
and
I
will
keep
not
paying
until
again
until
we
see
some
and
we've
told
them
this
until
we
get
through
a
reporting
period.
M
Without
all
these
problems,
I,
don't
personally
think
I
accepted
the
legislative
change,
I,
don't
think
they're
unpaid
because
they
I
don't
think
everything
they're
still
working,
but
we're
still
we're
still
we're.
Actually
the
problems
we're
interacting
with
when
I
talked.
M
This
was
going
into
the
discussions
with
Kentucky
interactive.
Originally,
the
way
they
work
was
described
to
me
is
I.
Forget
the
term
for
is
a
back
and
forth
process,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
what
we've
been
doing
is
is
how
they
operate,
which
is
fine
is,
is
you
know
they
put
something
out
there
we
test
it.
We
review
it.
M
We
go
back
and
forth
to
assure
that's
working
right
and
I'm
not
complaining
about
that
process,
but
it's
almost
like
they
put
that
out
there
as
as
part
of
the
problem,
but
that
is
actually
how
they
they
do
their
projects
and
and
that's
how
we've
been
working
with
them.
It's
just.
We
never
seem
to
get
past
some
of
these
same
points
of
problems
that
we
keep
seeing.
M
And
I'm
just
gonna
I'm
not
gonna
hammer
on
all
this,
but
the
suggested
improvements.
The
first
one
on
the
list
is
to
build
a
view
and
print
financial
statements
that
was
identified
as
a
as
a
needed
enhancement.
Two
and
a
half
years
ago
in
the
2020
primary.
It's
still
not
done
I
think
that
highlights
kind
of
how
how
this
project
has
gone.
M
M
Again,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
and
pick
the
whole
thing
apart,
we're
still
facing
the
same
problems.
We
faced.
You
all
use
the
system.
You
know
how
difficult
it
is
to
use.
You
know
the
problems
you
you
have
to
overcome.
Every
time
you
try
to
use
it.
There
are
some
good
parts
of
it.
Sometimes
some
things
work
successfully
the
back
office
that
I
mentioned
before
that
our
staff
we've
been
asking
them
to
do
something
about
it,
make
it
more
functional
user
friendly
for
us
in-house
for
a
long
time.
M
It's
it's
not
there
Public
Service
the
database
still
is
not
reliable.
It
still
misses
information,
sometimes
it'll,
be
there.
Sometimes
it
disappears.
It's
just
been
a
frustrating
project
that
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
reach
an
end.
Okay,.
M
A
J
You
Mr
chairman
guys
Mr
Lynn
and
Mr
Palmer
I,
do
appreciate
you
guys
coming
today,
honestly
after
the
beating
that
John
took
last
month,
I
don't
know
if
I
would
have
had
the
courage
to
shown
up.
So
at
least
you
did
that,
and
we
appreciate
it.
That
being
said,
let
me
jump
into
a
fundamental
misunderstanding:
Mr
Luna
that
you
had
made
there
the
idea
that
Treasures
are
in
different
buildings,
a
large
region
of
why
this
becomes
such
an
emotional
issue
for
us
is
a
lot
of
us
live
with
our
treasurers.
J
A
treasure
is
someone
whose
Integrity
we
find
to
be
unimpeachable
because
they
are
charged
with
the
finances
of
the
campaign
for
which
we
could
be
held
liable
for
felony
violations,
and
so
these
are
people
who,
when
they
bring
us
an
issue,
we
have
the
utmost
of
faith
in
I
mean
like
I,
say:
a
lot
of
us
are
married
to
our
treasurers
or
they
are
lifelong
trusted,
family
members,
advisors,
Etc,
and
so
when
they
come
with
the
levels
of
frustration,
because
not
a
lot
of
us
up
here
are
I.T
people,
but
most
of
us
can
go
on
Amazon
and
fill
out
forms
or
have
to
do
Google
surveys
or
have
to
input
data
elsewhere,
and
you
know,
for
a
normal
level
of
frustration
might
be
here
with
us
any
any
given
system
right.
J
We
all
have
to
do
this
with
work
or
whatever.
The
case
is
it's
like
here
with
this
system
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
know
results
and
the
results
aren't
what
we
expected.
A
lot
of
us
took
things
back
home
and
told
people.
This
is
going
to
be
better
because
of
this
thing,
particularly
the
the
folks
that
were
getting
campaign
contributions
laid
in
the
cycle.
You
know
you
will
have
better
information
and
it's
still
not
delivered
there
and
I
want
to
comment
on
just
one
thing
that
jumps
out
at
me.
J
It
is
a
regular
thing
and
when
I
don't
bill
or
ask
for
money,
there's
only
one
reason
for
it:
either
a
I
missed
the
fact
that
somebody
had
changed
something
or
B
it's
inconsequential
and
I,
just
figure
I'll
absorb
it
as
part
of
the
cost
of
doing
business,
and
so
it
this
feels
to
me,
like
we're
scrambling
for
reasons
why,
when,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
performance
simply
has
not
been
there
and
I
guess
to
in.
In
my
opinion
and
I,
get
to
my
question
now,
Mr
chairman
I
apologize
for
the
diatribe.
J
You
guys,
basically
are
on
kind
of
a
45-day
Glide
path
to
crash
and
burn
or
get
it
right.
This
election's
it
and
I
want
to
know
where
you're
going
to
be
and
tell,
and
specifically
how
are
you
going
to
be
there
I
mean
you
know:
do
you
have
15
developers
working
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
to
make
sure
this
is
going
to
happen?
J
I
mean
because
I,
don't
you
know
mercifully
I'm
not
in
cycle
right
now,
but
the
stories
I
get
from
my
my
colleagues
and
their
treasurers,
who
are
make
me
very
nervous
about
what
it's
going
to
look
like
for
the
23
and
24
guys.
So,
what's
going
on,
specifically
that's
going
to
give
us
confidence
that
this
thing's
not
going
to
flame
out
after
the
first
Tuesday
in
November.
N
Well,
Senator
actually
I
wanted
to
address
your
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
on.
Let
me
scoot
up
I
wanted
to
address
your
your
concern
about
the
payment.
It
wasn't
that
we
didn't
request
more
payment
is
because
we
were
told
no,
so
instead
of
us
walking
away
and
saying
fine,
we
won't
do
business
with
you.
We
still
continue
to
deliver
because
we
have
a
commitment
to
our
partner,
whether
they
pay
us
or
not.
We
don't
walk
away
from
our
partners.
N
L
With
regard
to
what
we're
gonna
do,
our
goal
again
is
to
make
this
system
succeed
and
what
we
want
to
assure
you
is
that
yeah
we
are
working
on
process
Improvement.
We
are
working
on
adding
additional
resources
to
try
to
you
know,
fund
it
45
more
resources,
yeah
we
may
have
that,
may
not
be
possible.
However,
we
are
going
to
add
additional
resources.
L
That
wins
once
out
in
production
is
when
we
find
out
something
doesn't
work
the
way
it's
supposed
to,
because
the
a
specific
scenario
wasn't
thought
of
or
specific
scenario
wasn't.
You
know
wasn't
at
the
at
the
at
the
Forefront
of
that
thought
or
the
Forefront
of
that
request.
L
So
we
we
feel
that
if
we
could
have
some
kind
of
forum
with
some
of
the
treasurers,
you
know
the
the
family
members,
the
the
long
time
the
friends
or
family
have
some
kind
of
forum
with
them,
so
that
we
can
see
why
what
we
are,
what
the
system
is
doing,
that
is
making
their
their
their
their
use
of
it
so
tremendous
or
so
hard.
We
can
work
with
that
and
talk
with
krf
continue
to
come
work
with
them
to
try
to
address
those
simultaneously.
E
E
You
know
I,
there's
problems
with
this
system
now
you
know
when
we
were
when,
when
big
projects
come
out,
there's
always
going
to
be
bugs
I
mean
that's
just
normal.
You
know
you
get
a
a
new
fighter
aircraft
in
the
in
the
military
or
you
get
a
website.
It's
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
bugs,
but
it
just
seems
like
this.
Is
this
isn't
user
friendly,
like
someone
said
above
that
they
use
with
Google
or
what
or
Senator
McDaniel?
E
And
it
just
seems
like
the
Technology's
there,
but
we're
two
or
three
generations
behind
on
the
technology?
Would
you
address
that?
Is
this
up-to-date
technology
you're
using
and
then
the
second
question
go
ahead
and
I
got
a
second
question.
F
L
Regard
to
that,
though,
a
representative
it
we're
using
up-to-date
technology,
but
as
we
build
a
specific
functionality
or
part
of
the
system,
we,
what
we're
probably
lacking,
is
the
end
user
input
of
is
that
useful
to
me
is
that
useful
is
that?
Is
it
going
to
be
intuitive
for
me
because
we're
using
the
best
or
the
the
most
recent
technology?
And
it
dictates
that
you
know
an
ellipsis
which
I
think
is
one
of
the
challenges
that
you
know.
L
A
lot
of
users
have
had,
which
is
the
three
dots
in
the
edit
menu
is
a
common
thing,
but
not
everyone
is
not
common
to
everyone,
so
that
feedback
is
what
we
would
like
to
see
and
hopefully
can
get
and
are
again.
Our
goal
is
to
add
the
resources
to
be
able
to
kind
of
parallellally
parallel
in
parallel
work
with
those
scenarios,
as
well
as
get
the
system
done.
N
So
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
thought
about
internally,
but
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
mention
it
to
kref-
is
adding
some
type
of
comment
feedback
at
the
end
of
the
submission
process
of.
Can
you
give
us
a
star
right,
star
rating
or
enter
a
comment?
What
was
your
experience?
What
would
you
like
to
see
different?
What
worked,
what
didn't
work
so
that
we
can
collect.
L
We
just
as
we
were
meeting
with
end
users
system,
end
users,
including
legislators.
We
were
trying
to
gather
the
information
gather,
the
feedback
so
that
we
could
take
it
back
to
them,
and
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
heard
as
well
has
already
is
already
in
queue.
So,
yes,
we,
our
goal,
is
to
make
sure
that
communication
that
we
work
together
we
do
meet
on
a
weekly
basis
with
the
agency.
L
We
talk
about
things
that
are
in
the
queue
working
things
that
are
released
for
them
for
testing
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
our
that
may
have
been
one
of
the
items
that
you
know.
We
need
to
get
in
front
of
them
as
soon
as
possible.
E
And
last
question:
John:
was
there
a
pilot,
why
why
not
have
had
like
30
various
people
across
the
state
volunteer
like
you're,
going
to
do
it
this
way
for
for
one
year,
two
years,
and
then
you
know
if
that
pilot
system
worked,
expand
it
more
and
more
and
more
was
there
anything
in
like
that?
Well,.
M
If
it's
kind
of
a
two-part
answer
to
that,
as
the
system
developed
and
and
I
still
feel
like
we,
we
got
started
on
it
in
plenty
of
time.
It's
just
it
just
didn't
get
anywhere
at
first.
My
idea
was
to
have
the
system
out
there
or
test
it.
Have
users
test
it
user
groups
tested
as
we
went
along,
but
every
time
we
reached
the
end
of
one
of
these
Milestones
or
important
pieces
of
the
project.
M
Now
the
time
the
time
frame
for
finishing
it
should
have
been
pretty
much
one
the
same,
but
but
we
lost
some
ground
there
where
we
could
have
had
users
tested
because
we
had
to
go,
we
had
to
get
it,
we
had
to
get
it
live.
We
had
to
get
it
out
the
door
as
soon
as
things
became
available.
A
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
there's
a
lot
to
unpack
here,
members
of
the
committee.
How
would
you
like
it
if
a
bill
you
spent
10
years
of
your
legislative
career,
working
on
considered
it
a
milestone
piece
of
legislation
groundbreaking
in
terms
of
transparency
and
disclosure
for
the
public
in
three
years
after
it
passed
you're
still
having
a
committee
meeting
listening
to
excuses
about
why
the
bill
the
law
hasn't
been
properly
implemented?
K
That's
how
I
feel
today.
I
was
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
that
passed
in
2019,
requiring
mandatory
electronic
filing
I've
been
working
on
it
for
10
years,
representative
Wheatley.
When
your
party
controlled
the
house,
all
they
would
give
me
was
mandatory
electronic
filing
for
Statewide
candidates,
so
that
was
a
good
step,
but
in
2019
things
had
changed
and
we
were
able
to
get
the
bill
passed.
K
It
was
a
pretty
significant
step.
Disclosure
and
transparency
and
accuracy
of
information
is
the
Cornerstone
of
campaign.
Finance
I
think
that's
an
issue
that
we
can
agree
on
in
a
bipartisan
basis,
but
this
has
been
a
complete
and
utter
failure
and
I
was
pretty
hard
on
John
at
the
State
Fair
last
month
and
so
to
be
magnanimous
I'm
going
to
be
equally
as
hard,
if
not
harder,
on
the
vendor.
That
was
hired
to
implement
this
Kentucky
interactive.
K
K
The
inability
to
be
able
to
print
reports
is
huge
when,
if,
if
you're,
not
your
own
Treasurer
and
you're
you're
relying
on
a
Treasurer
to
help
you
with
this-
and
they
can't
give
you
a
printed
report
to
check
the
accuracy
of
the
information
that's
been
entered.
How
do
you
know
you're,
providing
accurate
information?
K
I
mean
this
is
this
is
beyond
the
pale
of
what
should
be
happening
here.
Just
this
morning,
I
received
an
email
from
a
candidate's
Treasurer
they're,
still
wrestling
with
the
60-day
post
primary
report
and
being
able
to
accurately
move
forward
the
balance
into
the
general
election
campaign
in
its
almost
October.
K
Well,
that's
not
going
to
happen.
I
think
these
are
excuses.
I
think
they're
lame!
You
had
nine
months
developing
this
scope
with
Kentucky
Interactive
I've
been
informed
that
all
your
personnel
has
turned
over
since
the
original
scope
was
agreed
to
it
makes
me
wonder
if
you
understood
the
full
scope.
K
K
K
K
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
I
think
it's
time
that
we
cut
the
cord
with
Kentucky
interactive
and
if
we
have
to
give
k-ref
the
statutory
authority
to
do
that,
I
think
we
should
do
it
and
I'm
going
to
reiterate
the
suggestion
I
made
at
last
month's
meeting
next
year.
There
are
no
legis
regularly
scheduled
legislative
elections.
K
K
All
of
us
who
are
returning
in
January
will
be
required
to
file
one
annual
report.
That's
due
December
1st
now
this
is
a
big
thing,
because
I'm,
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
I,
believe
strongly
in
transparency
and
disclosure,
but
I
think
we
need
to
consider
passing
a
bill
with
an
emergency
clause
in
January
that
temporarily
suspends
the
mandatory
electronic
filing
requirement
for
one
year.
K
K
We
need
people
writing
this
code
who
understand
the
needs
of
the
end
user
and
guys
I'm,
sorry,
I,
just
don't
think
you
did
and
we've
given
you
time.
You
were
before
this
committee
two
years
ago
and
I
raised
concerns
and
so
did
other
members
and
we're
right
in
the
same
spot.
We
were-
and
so
please
understand
my
frustration.
K
So
you
you
can
respond
to
any
of
this
that
you'd
like
to
or
if
you
don't
want
to
that's
fine
too
Mr
chairman
I,
appreciate
your
Indulgence
and
I
wanted
to
be
on
the
record
and
say
that
I
believe
it's
time
we
give
K
ref
the
authority
to
start
over
with
a
product
that
lives
up
to
the
original
premise
and
tenets
of
the
bill
that
we
passed
in
2019..
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
A
Thank
you
or
you're
welcome
to
respond,
or
we
can
I've
got
six
other
questioners.
So.
A
And
I'd
like
you
to
go,
have
all
follow-ups
come
through
me
because
we're
under
going
to
be
we've
got
a
meeting
coming
in
at
three
o'clock.
So
I
need
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
impinge
on
the
ppob's
time.
Repres
Senator
Southworth.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
have
an
initial
quickie
and
then
I
want
to
have
a
larger
question
depending
on
the
answer.
I
know:
Kentucky
interactive
is
not
a
Kentucky
company.
Necessarily
you
guys
have
done
work
all
over
the
country.
I
think
what
other
states
do.
Other
states
have
krf
systems
that
you
do
not
do
or
do
you
do
all
the
states.
L
We
work
in
very
our
parent
company
Works
in
various
States,
and
we
recently
got
purchased
by
Tyler
Technologies,
but
we
do.
We
did
the
election,
the
electronic
filing
system
for
the
FEC,
the
Federal
Election
Commission,
sometime
back
over
a
course
of
13
years.
That
was
a
system
that
was
built
with
he
as
a
phased
approach.
H
Yeah,
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
I'm
still
there
yet.
But
you
know
I'm
hearing
all
of
this
and
trying
to
take
it
all
in
and
from
last
month
this
month,
what
I'm,
seeing
I
think
and
is
that
the
language
that
we're
using
like
I'm
hearing
words
like
resources
and
knowing
I
T
talk?
That
means
certain
things
that
krf
may
not
think
it
means,
and
that's
just
a
small
example.
H
It's
that
there's
three
different
legal
ways
to
do
the
same
goal
and
I'm
not
entirely
sure
how
that
gets
put
into
a
scope
of
work
in
the
first
place.
So
I
think
this
is
really
multi-dimension.
I've
always
been
underwhelmed
with
Kentucky,
interactive
and
I've
said
that
before
I
always
enjoy
my
meetings
with
Carlos
and
then
after
that
it
goes
to
pot,
but
I
just
am
really
trying
to
figure
out.
H
If
there's
another
state
that
has
a
system
that
literally
works,
then
we
need
to
copy
and
paste
because
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
redevelop
this
thing,
that's
really
my
input
and
we
need
to
do
something
and
I,
don't
think
Kentucky
interactive
with
caref's
the
only
issue
I
mean
it's
always
been
an
issue,
but
particularly
in
this
situation,
we
don't
have
a
one
two
three
step
of
how
it
has
to
be.
Then
we
can't
build
a
framework
for
it
unless
you
have
really
cool
tools
that
I
don't
know
about.
So
that's
really
my
input.
A
The
comment
please
but
I
I
have
a
follow-up
to
that.
That
I'd,
like
actually.
A
That
is
you
mentioned
on
on
your
second
slide:
there
were
89
requirements
and
then
it
blossomed
into
594
more.
Has
that
list
been
given
to
John
and
has
John
been
able
to
go
through
that
list
to
say
no
that
was
originally
on
my
specifications.
It
has
okay.
L
It
has
chairman
as
well
as
you
know,
the
the
feature
for
printing
the
report.
L
Another
thing
with
the
end
users
is
that,
as
they
are
trying
to
use
the
electronic
filing
systems,
there
are
a
lot
more
restrictions
on
the
system
electronically
that
there
have
been
on
paper.
You
could
put
in
a
contribution
not
put
in
an
occupation
not
put
in
an
address
and
it
they
have
to
accept
it
and
they
get
it,
and
then
they
have
to
contact
you
back
or
the
end
user
back
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
get
the
remaining
information.
The
system
at
per
request
was
designed
to
not
allow
that
to
happen.
L
We
need
that
information
on
the
first
Go
Round
And.
So
those
are
some
of
the
challenges
we
talked
with
them
about
changing
them
to
warnings
so
that
at
least
the
war
you
know
they
can
submit
it
and
then
they
and
admins
can
reach
back
out
to
them
and
say:
hey,
look.
You
submitted
this,
but
you
still
have
a
warning.
You
didn't
comply
with
this
and
and
to
try
to
move
things
forward.
Let.
A
Me
interrupt
here.
John,
it's
been
30
days.
I
heard
that,
before
about
making
things,
warnings
rather
than
fatal
mistakes,
is
that
something
that
they've
discussed
with
you
and
you
would
approve.
N
A
N
We
recently
sent
a
list
of
the
validations
to
John
for
him
to
be
able
to
review
them
so
that
we
make
sure
that
any
validations
that's
been
added
since
then
are
included
in
that
process,
and
we've
actually
already
started
making
the
changes
to
support
that
okay,
but
I
think
they
wanted
to
wait
until
after
this
election
before
we
implemented
that,
so
it
should
be
shortly
thereafter.
A
N
D
D
Yeah
I,
just
how
much
is
Kentucky
interactive,
been
paid
to
this
point
on
this
project.
M
314
517.82
cents,
okay,
and
and
how
much
are
they
claiming
that
they're
still
owed
the
remaining
cost,
looks
like
233
255.,
so.
D
A
half
a
million
dollars
for
a
project-
and
you
know
and
I
met
with
with
y'all
as
well
and
I
and
I
get
it
I
mean
just
designing
something
from
Ground.
Zero
can
be
challenging,
but
I
guess.
What
kind
of
concerns
me
here
today
is
that
I've
heard
that
you
all
claim
to
have
had
experience
in
this
and
that
you
developed
this
system
for
the
Federal
Election
Commission.
So,
given
the
fact
that
you've
had
that
background,
why
is
this
particular
system
been
so
difficult
to
get
right?
So.
N
I
can
answer
that
question
so
part
of
the
difficulties
that
we've
had
is
from
the
initial
start
of
the
system.
It
was
developed
off
of
their
legacy
system,
so
they
had
internal
process.
So,
if
you
imagine
that
when
they
were
handling
paper
process,
how
they
would
enter
data
was
completely
different
than
maybe
a
web
user
would
would
do
it
or
a
candidate
or
a
Treasurer
would
do
it,
and
so
the
requirements
that
we
were
originally
handed
was
build.
N
Our
back
office
system
online,
which
is
completely
counter-intuitive
to
how
maybe
a
Treasurer,
expects
to
use
the
system
how
they
expect
to
file
how
they
expect
to
be
able
to
enter
data
and
what
I
say
that
I
mean
in
the
sense
that
when
they
use
it,
there's
certain
validations.
Certain
terminology
that
k-ref
internally
was
used
to,
that
may
be
the
end
user
may
not
be
accustomed
to,
and
then
also
the
structure.
N
First
before
you
can
put
receipts
on
it,
and
so
there
wasn't
really
a
way
for
us
to
be
able
to
say:
let's
just
build
a
system
where
they
can
enter
receipts
and
then
at
the
time
they
submit,
then
they
can
associate
those
receipts
with
the
report
and
just
submit
as
if
the
receipts
could
be
somewhat
orphaned
and
attached
to
a
report
later,
because
we
had
to
support
all
the
Legacy
data
that
came
into
the
system.
So
we
couldn't
deviate
from
the
rich
original
structure
that
was
there.
Okay.
L
And
the
systems
are
a
little
quite
different
as
well,
because
the
filers
have
an
off-the-shelf
system
which
was
downloaded
onto
their
computer,
so
all
of
their
contributors
and
all
of
theirs,
their
expenditures,
there's
all
listed
on
their
computer
and
they
can
reuse
them
and
some
of
the
differences
is
they
have
a
reporting
cycle.
End
date
start
date
and
an
end
date,
so
they
can
go
ahead
and
submit
a
report
anytime
and
if
something's
wrong
with
it
or
they
receive
the
transaction
or
a
contribution.
L
After
the
fact,
they
have
to
amend
the
report
and
then
add
that
to
the
amendment
and
then
submit
it
again,
and
that's
some
some
of
the
things
that
we
couldn't
do
here
in
Kentucky
because
of
legislation
or
regulations
that
allow
the
state
to
have
to
file
between
a
certain
window.
And
so
there
are
certain
differences
that
we
couldn't
just
pick
up,
that
that
code
base
and
use
it
for
this.
This
implementation,
because
it
is
different.
D
I'll
be
brief:
I
was
filing
electronically
before
it
became
law,
and
my
wife
was
a
treasure
and
she
liked
filing
electronically,
and
we
had
to
rent
the
program.
We
had
to
pay
a
fee
for
the
program.
It
worked
great
and
we
thought
well
when
this
comes
along.
Now
we
get
the
benefit
of
filing
electronically
free
it'll
save
us
some
money,
but
can't
say
that
this
program
has
worked
great.
Her
stress
level
goes
way
up
every
time.
Her
report's
due
and
and
God
bless.
D
You
she's
threatened
to
quit
several
times,
but
we
don't
have
a
good
replacement
for
her,
so
she
she
muddles
through
it.
You
mentioned
the
Forum
with
the
treasures.
My
suggestion
would
be
put
some
of
your
people
in
K,
ref's,
office
and
field.
Some
of
those
phone
calls
listen
to
the
treasures
as
they're
calling
in
live
with
real
problems,
and
you
will
find
out
real
quick
where
the
glitches
are.
Thank
you.
M
And
I
mean
I
I've
asked
them
to
do
that.
Actually,
I've
asked
them
to
come
over
and
sit
down
with
my
administrators
and
and
just
experience
their
work
day
and
the
calls
they
gave
it
and
and
that
I
thought
would
help
them
learn.
You
know
what
what
needed
to
be
done.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
D
O
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
representative
Heath,
asked
one
part
of
my
question,
which
was
has
to
take
it
to
the
other
end,
were
Treasures
candidates,
people
who
actually
use
the
system
consulted
at
the
time
of
the
develop
of
development
and
have
they
been
in
in
the
room
in
real
time
on
Deadline
when
everything
starts
to
go
wrong,
but
it
sounds
like
the
answer
to
those
questions
is
no
right.
Correct.
L
O
Secondly,
why
it's
a
really
simple
question,
but
the
one
thing
that
drives
you
crazy,
no
matter
what
type
of
system
you're
using
is
when
you're
trying
to
get
something
filed,
uploaded
Etc
and
it
starts
it
crashes
or
becomes
unavailable
and
particularly
we're
on
statutory
deadline.
You
know
it's
one
thing:
if
I've
got
to
submit
something
at
work,
a
report
for
work,
it's
quite
another
if
you're
bound
by
campaign
Finance
laws.
So
why
does
the
system
go
down
or
become
unavailable
at
at
the
moment?
That
is
utterly
predictable.
A
stressor
point
on
deadline.
N
So
part
of
that
is
just
I,
guess
the.
So
when
we
first
started
building
this
out,
we
did
not
realize
that
there
was
that
two-day
gap
between
this
is
when
it's
due-
and
this
is
the
this-
is
basically
the
grace
period.
So
our
initial
assumption,
or
what
we
collected
was
that
they
would
be
able
to
file
and
submit
at
any
time
so
that
came
afterwards.
So
basically,
what
happened
is
we
have
all
these
users
trying
to
access
the
system
at
the
same
time,
and
then
it
be
it
basically
overloaded
the
system.
N
O
Chair,
if
I
can
ask
a
brief
follow-up,
you
may
to
ask
the
question:
it's
probably
on
everybody
else's
mind.
We
have
another
filing
deadline.
Coming
up,
what
are
what's
going
to
happen?
What?
Can
we
expect
if
you
fix
some
of
the
bottlenecks,
are
we
going
to
be
good
to
go?
Is
it
are
we
still
going
to
have
unavailability
or
slowness,
or
you
know
crashes,
what's
going
to
happen,.
N
A
Thank
you,
representative,
representative
Tate.
Thank.
D
You
Mr
chairman,
so
in
your
presentation
you
talked
about
that
you
were
going
to
implement
different
or
new
project
management
methodologies.
Can
you
describe
that
for
us,
please,
and
let
us
know
how
you
think
that
that's
going
to
improve
the
process
as
well
as
do
you
have
a
documented
test
scripts
for
each
one
of
the
Milestones?
That
would
help
you
make
sure
that
you're
meeting
the
requirements
for
each
one
of
those
Milestones
yeah.
N
So
when
it
so
just
to
I,
guess
address
the
the
first,
the
first
part
of
that
or
maybe
the
the
second
part,
so
the
documented
test
scripts.
We
do
have
test
scenarios
that
are
documented.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
started
doing
is
including
those
tests,
those
test
steps
and
our
letter
of
acceptance.
N
When
we
do
a
release
so
each
release,
we
do
a
letter
of
acceptance
with
a
partner
that
says
here
are
the
items
that
are
in
this
release
and
then
we
started,
including
the
testing
scenarios
and
also
involving
them
in
that,
so
we've
always
involved
them
in
the
testing.
But
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
following
the
same
script
as
they're
following
and
that
it's
meeting
the
needs
of
really
what
they're.
Looking
for,
what
we're
trying
to
resolve
and
I
apologize.
I
forgot
the
first
part
of
your
question.
The.
N
Project,
okay,
so
we
use
an
agile
approach
and
that's
not
changing,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
doing
is
setting
it
up
in
such
a
way
that
we
can
get
on
the
same
ticketing
system
that
they
use
so
before
we
did
have
a
ticketing
system
for
them
to
manage
tickets,
and
then
we
had
our
own
ticketing
system,
so
that
created
problems
because
trying
to
keep
the
two
in
synchronization
was
highly
was
extremely
difficult,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
is
adding
a
way
for
them
to
have
access
to
our
system.
N
That
way,
we
can
work
off
the
same
plane
and
as
soon
as
something's
resolved
they'll
get
immediate
notification.
They
can
look
it
up
without
having
to
send
us
an
email
or
ask
a
question
so
as
soon
as
something's
resolved
they'll
be
able
to
reach
out
to
that
candidate
or
that
Treasurer
or
whoever
is
calling
them
so
that
they
can
see
it
immediately.
D
D
Yes,
so
let
me
clarify
this
when
you
started
the
project,
we're
all
complaining
about
that,
you
didn't
talk
to
the
end
users,
the
treasurers,
which
needs
to
be
done.
You
all
were
doing
I,
think
what
you
were
told
to
do
by
k-ref
is
taking
care
of
the
Legacy
system,
assuming
that,
then,
when
the
information
was
put
in,
it
would
take
care
of
the
new
system
it
replaced.
Legacy.
Is
that
right
that.
N
Is
correct
and
and
just
to
clarify
I
just
want
to
so
when
you
say
taking
care
of
the
system,
do
you
mean
maintaining
the
old
system
or
well.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
representative,
Graham.
G
G
How
many
states
have
you
done
this
beside?
You
talked
about
the
federal
elections.
Commission.
Have
you
done
this
in
other
states
and
have
you
been
successful
in
working
in
those
States?
Well,.
L
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
didn't
address
with
Senator
Southworth
is:
we
are
a
kentucky-based
company.
Our
parent
company
is
the
company
that
has
presence
in
various
States
doing
various
services.
E-Services
are
our
goal
is
to
provide
Electronic
Services
for
the
the
governments
in
all
states
that
we
have
contracts
with.
So
we
are
a
kentucky-based
company.
L
We
do
work
here,
as
our
team
here
has
not
done
development
in
any
other
states,
so
the
parent
company,
while
they
have
presence
in
Michigan
for
their
electronic
filing
system
and
did
have
presence
in
the
the
federal
space
that
presence
was
different
from
this
one.
L
This
is
an
online
presence
that
presence
that
they
had
there
or
the
system
that
was
built
for
them
was
a
yes
A
back-end
system,
but
it
included
a
what
we
call
a
thick
Line
application,
which
is
an
application
you
or
a
system
you
can
install
on
your
own
computer
and
not
be
in
the
clouds
per
se
or
in
the
web
sphere,
where
you
just
go
to
a
browser,
connect
to
it
and
and
and
do
your
work
that
brought
a
different,
a
higher
level
of
security
needed
to
be
able
to
manage
a
system
like
that.
L
So
when
we
first
were
came
up
and
presented
in
front
of
the
committee,
that
was
some
of
the
challenges
of
having
to
create
that
account
to
make
sure
the
system
knew
you
who
you
were,
who
you
said.
You
were
before
actually
giving
you
access
to
the
data
and
so
to
answer
the
question
we
a
kentucky-based
company
know
we
have
not
done
this
system
in
any
other
states.
G
L
Right
absolutely
representative,
I
will
say
and
I'm
not
one
of
those
that
blames
covet
for
everything,
but
the
last
couple
of
years
because
of
covet
things
have
been
virtual,
so
we
weren't
able
to
really
go
into
the
office
or
if
there
was
there
there
wasn't
enough
staff
or
or
we
don't
know,
we
weren't
made
aware
that
you
know
they
were
staffed
in
the
building.
Our
assumption
is
like
everyone
else.
The
world
was
working
remotely
as
we
were
so
those
last
two.
Yes,
it
is
absolutely
possible,
sir,
and
we
will.
A
A
K
Mr
chairman
just
a
brief
statement.
First
of
all,
I,
like
representative
Heath
I,
use
the
old
campaign
toolbox
electronic
filing
system,
even
though
I
wasn't
required
to
do
so.
It
was
clunky
and
hard
to
use,
but
it's
better
than
what
we
have
now
and
it
was
ancient
technology.
Ancient
technology,
second
of
all,
I
feel
compelled
to
let
the
members
of
the
committee
know
that,
just
during
the
time
that
we've
been
here,
I've
had
three
other
executive
branch
agencies
reach
out
to
me
and
tell
me
that
they
have
issues
with
Kentucky
interactive.
K
Now,
that's
not
the
topic
for
today,
but
I
do
think.
It
undermines
their
credibility
to
be
able
to
handle
database
issues
like
this
and
I'm,
going
to
reiterate
that
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
make
a
change,
halt
the
implementation
of
the
bill
and
start
over
to
quote
the
late
great
John,
Lennon
it'll
be
just
like
starting
over
and
that's
what
I
think
we
should
do.
Thank.
E
Well,
good
I
I'm
going
to
be
the
Devil's
Advocate,
I'm,
probably
other
than
the
folks
at
that
table.
One
of
the
few
people
in
this
room.
That's
actually
written
computer
code,
Fortran,
C
plus
plus,
so
it's
not
probably
the
same
thing
you're
using
and
I'm
terrible
at
it.
It's
extremely
difficult
one.
Little
change
to
something
in
your
code
requires
a
complete
debugging
of
the
code
and
I.
E
Knowing
if
you
get
that
many
changes,
how
difficult
it
would
be
to
make
this
work,
so
we
need
to
have
some
understanding
what
happened
that
first,
nine
months,
where
was
the
communication
breakdown?
Was
it
just
because
Kentucky
interactive
didn't
do
a
good
job,
or
was
it
because
kovid
made
it
really
tough
to
get
folks
in
the
same
room
and
we
need
a
little
Grace
I'm,
not
saying
that's
what
we
need,
but
we
need
to
keep
some
of
these
factors
in
coveted
and
and
code.
E
A
Final
words,
truly
November
meeting
whoever's,
sharing
that
that'll
be
the
last
regularly
scheduled
interim
joint
committee
meeting
and
it's
a
fisher-cut
bait
meeting.
In
my
view,
so
thank
you.
A
That's
all
I
am
we
have
eight
or
more
nine
administrative
regulations
that
have
come
before
us
normally
I
would
not
do
this,
but
you've
all
had
those
regulations
for
a
number
of
days.
I
will
just
ask:
are
there
any
questions
about?
We
have
people
in
the
audience
that
have
been
patiently
waiting
happy
to
answer
your
questions,
so
if
you
would
say
which
regulation
and
then
I'll
ask
them
specifically
to
come
to
the
table,
Senator
Southworth.
H
A
Okay,
if
Personnel
would
come
up
and
respond
to
that.
I
Good
afternoon
I'm
Alan
Hurst
the
executive
director
of
The
Office
of
employee
relations
within
the
Personnel
cabinet.
Okay,.
H
Yeah
I'm
in
section
12
on
the
blood
donation,
leave
we're
adding
a
section
here
that
says
you
can't
get
time
for
initiating
or
attempting
during
a
lunch
period,
I'm
wondering
normally
it's
four
hours,
so
it
normally
makes
sense.
People
schedule
it
either
in
the
morning
or
afternoon
and
I,
don't
know
that
everyone
I
mean
there's
been
telecommuting.
H
What
in
the
world
is
really
a
designated
Lunch
Period
anymore,
but
you
know
we
don't
require
them
to
not
vote
during
their
lunch
period
and
we
don't
require
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
why
we
voting
we're
adding
absentee
ballots
here
by
mail.
It
doesn't
take
four
hours
to
do
that,
but
they
as
far
as
a
leave
and
blood
donation,
you
know
they
gotta,
eat
food,
sit
there
and
be
watched
and
go
home,
they're
puckered
out
and
just
trying
to
figure
out.
Why
we're
adding
this?
If
there's
a
reason.
O
It's
basically
a
clarification.
We
did
have
some
employees
that
had
proposed
taking
their
lunch
hour
as
part
of
the
blood
donation
period,
but
historically,
with
any
type
of
leave
that
we
use
you.
You
cannot
utilize
your
lunch
period
along
with
any
period
that
you
take
leave,
so
it
was
just
simply
a
clarification
because
we
were
having
those
questions
come
up.
H
O
In
in
practice,
the
way
we've
always
administered
the
rig
is,
if
my
lunch
hour
is
11
30
to
12,
I
would
take
my
lunch
and
then
I
could
leave
and
take
and
and
donate
blood.
After
that,
you
can
correct
me
wrong.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
commissioner
Bailey,
so
so
that's
how
we've
always
administered,
but
we
did
have
questions
so
our
hope
with
the
reg
was
just
to
clarify
to
you
know
to
quilt
to
the
questions
that
you
cannot
actually
take
the
blood
leave
period
during
your
lunch.
You
can't
so.
H
A
Thank
you,
members
or
any
other
questions
about
any
of
the
regs
before
us
that
we
are
considering.
If
there
are
no
concerns,
these
will
be
allowed
to
go
into
effect,
signo
comments.
We
are
adjourned
until
the
next
meeting,
which
I
think
is
the
last
week
of
October
but
I
think
the
25th,
but
in
any
way
check
your
email.
We
are
adjourned.