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A
A
quorum
here
and
an
audience
and
an
engaging
agenda,
we're
looking
forward
to
this
conversation
with
a
couple
of
really
nice
topics.
I
do
remind
everyone
to
turn
your
cell
phones
off
or
on
silence.
Please
also
always
like
to
introduce
our
lead,
Staff,
Brandon
White
and
our
acting
committee
assistant
Brett,
Gillespie
Brett.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll
for
us.
C
Representative
Brown
here
representative
cool
Carney,
representative
timony,
Mr
Davis,
Miss
Drake.
D
D
I,
do
briefly
actually
would
like
to
welcome
my
guest
today
from
Hardin
County
part
of
my
district.
We've
got
Sherry
Johnson
with
Lincoln
Trail
area
development.
District
we've
got
Myra
kovalt
with
the
Workforce
Development
board
and
Baptist
hard,
no
Baptist
heart
and
health
Baptist
Health
Harden
out.
It's
always
a
hard
Memorial
Hospital
to
me.
That's
where
I
was
born,
yes,
Dr
Daniel
level
and
Julia
Springsteen
who's,
a
city
councilwoman
in
Elizabethtown,
so
I'm
very
excited
to
have
people
from
home
here
today
and
I'm,
proud
to
call
them.
My
friends.
A
Great
segue
to
our
first
presentation,
if
the
three
of
you
would
like
to
come
onto
the
table
and
as
you
come
to
the
table,
I'm
going
to
briefly
act
on
a
couple
of
couple
of
business
matters
that
we
always
like
to
do.
First
of
those
being
we
remind
everyone
about
the
commission
purpose,
it's
always
good
to
be
guided
by
a
purpose
as
found
in
statute.
A
The
purpose
of
the
commission
shall
be
to
conduct
studies
and
research
on
issues
where
disparities
may
exist
across
the
sectors
of
educational
Equity,
child
welfare,
Health,
Economic,
Opportunity,
Juvenile,
Justice,
Criminal,
Justice
and
any
other
sectors
that
are
deemed
relevant
in
an
effort
to
identify
areas
of
improvement
in
providing
services
and
opportunities
for
minority
communities
after
reminding
us
all
of
our
purpose.
For
being
here,
it's
a
good
business
matter
to
move
on
the
minutes
from
last
month's
meeting.
A
A
I
think
you've
done
a
nice
job
of
introducing
our
group.
That's
here
at
the
table
the
theme
for
this
month,
if
you
are,
if
you
are
following
the
themes
that
we're
trying
to
build
around
the
months,
this
month's
theme
is
on
Justice
and
we've
asked
representatives
from
the
Lincoln
Trail
area
development
District
to
provide
a
detailed
overview
of
the
work
that
you're
doing
on
your
Workforce
crisis
task
force,
and
with
that
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
presentation.
E
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Myra.
Kovalt
I
am
currently
manager
of
special
projects
for
Baptist
Health
Hardin,
located
in
Elizabethtown
Kentucky
I'm.
Also
here,
as
first
chair
of
the
Lincoln
Trail
area,
development,
District's,
Workforce
Development
board.
It
is
in
this
ladder
capacity
that
I
will
share
opening
remarks.
E
Our
Workforce
Development
board
started
on
a
strategic
planning
process
to
address
the
workforce,
Supply
shortage
in
2017-2018
and
formed
a
Workforce
crisis
task
force
to
help
the
board
increase
the
workforce
participation
rate
in
the
region,
the
covid-19
pandemic
and
the
great
resignation
that
continues
is
causing
this
shortage
to
grow
significantly
and
is
of
growing
concern
for
our
region.
As
we
prepare
for
the
arrival
of
the
blue
oval
SK
Battery
Park,
we
must
get
more
people
interested
in
joining
rejoining
the
workforce.
F
Sorry,
I'm
Danielle
Lovell
and
I'm
an
associate
professor
of
Sociology
with
Western
Kentucky,
University
and
I'm
the
co-chair
of
the
removing
obstacles
committee
with
my
partner,
Julia
Springsteen.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
today
to
speak
regarding
our
criminal
justice
system
and
the
challenges
of
Workforce
Development
before
we
get
started.
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
recognize
someone
important
to
this
process
that
is
not
with
us
today.
F
She
was
passionate
about
creating
opportunity
for
our
neighbors
who
handle
the
challenges
of
life
after
incarceration,
and
this
is
but
one
example
so
I'm
going
to
set
some
context
for
you
as
a
result
of
incarceration
and
other
contact
with
the
legal
system.
More
than
70
million
people
in
the
United
States
have
a
criminal
record
using
the
administrative
office
of
the
Court's,
quick
search,
which
you
know
as
a
professor
I,
would
have
loved
to
have
dug
down.
F
You
know
deeper
and
drilled
into
the
data,
but
this
was
kind
of
quick
I,
calculated
that
from
2012
to
2022
we
had
2
172,
414,
felony
and
misdemeanor
cases
go
through
our
circuit
and
District
criminal
courts.
This
is
this
is
number
of
cases
it's
not
convictions
or
accounts
for
duplication.
But
let's
just
pretend
for
a
moment
that
25
percent
represent
those
now
with
convictions
on
their
record,
that
is
543
103
kentuckians.
F
We
know
that
there
are
both
formal
and
informal
sanctions
that
continue
to
follow
people
when
they
get
out
of
prison,
including
those
that
impact
their
ability
to
get
a
job.
For
example,
they're
not
eligible
for
certain
professional
licenses,
job
opportunities,
public
benefits,
voting
and
even
things
like
housing
benefits.
They
have
the
economic
impact
of
missed
educational
opportunity
and
occupational
opportunities.
Many
of
these
formal
sections.
We
know
that
there
are
codified,
no
matter
your
crime,
small
or
large,
the
formal
sanction
Remains,
the
Same
for
you
further.
F
There
are
informal
sanctions
that
continue
not
only
to
follow
them,
but
their
families
and
their
communities
as
a
result
of
this
incarceration.
Stereotypes
such
as
they
are
not
redeemable
or
they're
untrustworthy
or
not
a
good
bet
follow
them
all
of
our
community
members
coming
out
of
prison
face
these
challenges.
However,
they
are
compounded
and
heightened
for
our
neighbors
of
color.
Re-Entry
is
a
racialized
process,
for
example,
in
a
study
first
conducted
by
pager
in
2003
and
replicated
over
the
years.
F
Black
men
without
a
felony
record
have
the
same
chance
for
a
callback
as
a
white
man
with
a
felony
record.
The
racial
benefit
of
the
doubt
Factor
as
I
call
it
with
my
students,
is
lessened
by
a
criminal
conviction
for
our
black
community
members.
We
are
less
likely
to
give
them
the
benefit
of
the
doubt.
F
We
have
to
acknowledge
the
labor
market
conditions,
with
a
focus
on
the
racial
disparities
such
as
differential
access
to
job
networks,
differences
in
distribution
of
employment
opportunities,
including
issues
of
residential
segregation
and
even
discrimination
by
employers,
given
the
amount
of
stigma
surrounding
those
who
are
or
were
Justice
involved,
including
how
the
general
public
Associates
the
word
criminal
with
several
undesirable
traits.
We
have
to
consider
how
we
as
legislators,
employers
and
community
members
stigmatize,
either
knowingly
or
unknowingly
this
group
of
people.
F
We
know
that
access
to
employment
is
a
major
protective
Factor
when
it
comes
to
recidivism
employment,
helps
to
create
new
networks
and
Social
Capital,
routine
autonomy
and
increased
self-efficacy.
However,
many
of
the
jobs
that
are
even
considered,
fell
and
friendly
like
construction
and
manufacture
and
show
an
inversion
to
hiring
particularly
black
community
members.
They
find
themselves
in
precarious
work
situation,
situations
such
as
the
gig
economy
and
low-wage
work
that
leads
to
a
decline
in
job
stability
and
the
length
of
time
with
any
one
company
to
address
these
challenges.
F
Policies
and
programs
have
been
created
to
help
mitigate
these
circumstances.
One
of
the
most
popular
is
having
those
who
are
incarcerated
gain
credentials,
while
in
prison.
In
a
recent
study
out
of
Cornell,
the
researcher
found
that
these
credentials
act
as
a
double-edged
sword
when
it
comes
to
how
helpful
they
are
in
gaining
employment
from
that
work.
We
know
that
employers
often
interpret
these
credentials
negatively,
rather
than
seeing
them
in
a
positive
light.
F
As
someone
who
is
trying
to
better
themselves
while
they
were
incarcerated,
which
leads
me
to
our
presentation
today
in
order
to
get
more
people
employed,
we
need
employers
willing
to
look
Beyond,
preconceived
notions
and
biases
and
give
folks
another
chance.
We
can
create
programs
all
day
long
for
those
coming
out
of
prison,
but
if
the
programs
are
not
aligned
with
the
labor
market
reality
of
employers
who
might
be
on
edge
about
giving
that
job,
then
all
that
work
is
for
naught.
F
We
are
also
here
today
to
talk
about
race
and
those
employment
opportunities
when
we
target
our
interventions
to
work
on
the
issues,
the
impact,
some
that
impact
some
groups
more
than
other
groups,
We
rise,
the
tide
for
all.
When
we
look
at
our
policies,
programs,
attitudes
and
even
our
own
biases
about
one
group
and
make
sure
we
are
addressing
the
toughest
challenges
around
them,
it
impacts
all
people.
F
The
story
we
will
eventually
share
is
a
former
student
of
mine
and
I
believe
this
is
a
program
that
can
lift
those
up
who
most
need
the
help,
breaking
down
the
barriers
to
employment
while
providing
benefit
to
anyone
with
a
criminal
record.
It
is
a
program
that
focuses
on
education
of
employers
and
our
community
members
about
those
with
criminal
records.
It
is
also
an
earned
benefit
from
the
employer
to
the
employee.
F
C
Thanks
Danielle
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Julia
Springsteen
I
serve
on
the
Elizabethtown
City
Council.
In
addition
to
my
role
on
the
Lincoln
Trail
Workforce
crisis
task
force,
we've
all
said
it
without
stuttering.
So
far,
Kentucky
has
several
industry
categories
that
can
benefit
from
an
increased
Workforce
Leisure
and
Hospitality
are
at
the
top
Machinery
Repair
and
actually
non-profits
to
name
a
few
are
recovering
from
the
pandemic,
at
a
slower
rate
than
other
Industries.
C
Encouraging
businesses
to
expand
their
thinking
about
employment
will
have
positive
results
not
only
for
the
businesses
but
the
employee
and
their
family
data
shows
that
people
who
receive
expungements
saw
their
wages
increase
on
average
25
percent
within
two
years.
These
increased
wages
obviously
lead
to
a
larger
tax
base
which
directly
benefits
Commonwealth.
C
C
As
the
expungement
agreement
reads
upon
recipients
fulfillment
of
upfront
expenses
to
initiate
the
expungement
process,
which
is
forty
dollars
for
an
expungement
certificate,
the
hospital
will
provide
the
recipient
with
an
expungement
benefit
of
up
to
one
thousand
dollars
for
each
12
months
of
continuous
employment.
The
maximum
benefit
will
not
exceed
five
thousand
dollars.
The
expungement
benefit
will
be
issued
only
at
the
time.
Recipient
is
eligible
for
expungement,
as
deemed
by
the
county
from
which
the
convictions
originated.
C
Expungement
benefit
will
be
issued
payable
to
the
appropriate
clerk's
office
upon
receipt
of
the
expungement
certificate.
The
the
price
varies,
because
this
also
will
apply
to
misdemeanors
as
Danielle's
Research
indicates,
most
employers
don't
really
see
a
difference
between
jaywalking
and
a
felony.
Sometimes
a
record
is
a
record,
and
so
this
was
a
very.
We
tried
to
simplify
it
and
just
keep
it
broad.
As
far
as
what
the
field
of
what
could
be
expunged.
C
Unfortunately,
many
employers
do
not
know
that
there
are
federal
programs
that
can
assist
with
this.
The
work
opportunity,
tax
credit
provides
up
to
two
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
for
an
employee
with
a
felony
conviction.
The
federal
bonding
program
will
issue
a
bond
as
soon
as
the
applicant
has
a
job
offer
and
a
scheduled
start
date,
and
this
includes
workers
who
are
hired
through
temp
agencies,
which
many
of
our
Region's
factories
use.
C
The
general
assembly
has
made
notable
changes
in
fees
to
address
some
of
the
challenges
our
Justice
involved
neighbors
face.
An
additional
change
that
is
needed
is
to
reduce
or
eliminate
the
waiting
period
for
expungement
right
now,
a
person
is
not
eligible
for
expungement
for
five
years
after
any
time
is
served
and
their
probationary
period
is
over
due
to
the
expense.
Many
go
well
past
the
waiting
period
before
attempting
expungement
or
never
try,
if
they're
not
able
to
save
money
for
the
fees.
C
Eliminating
the
wait
time
would
allow
an
employee
working
with
their
employer
in
a
program
such
as
ours
to
clear
their
record,
even
sooner
many
within
two
years,
with
the
current
waiting
period,
they're,
essentially
serving
more
time
while
we
expect
them
to
build
their
lives
back,
we
have
some
very
unrealistic
expectations
of
people.
Sometimes
this
expansion
program
is
just
one
tool
in
eliminating
barriers
to
success
for
Kentucky
businesses
and
families.
C
The
other
barriers
are
subcommittee
addresses
are
Child,
Care,
Transportation
and
housing,
and
these
barriers
cannot
be
fully
eliminated
without
true
public
private
Partnerships,
such
as
Hospital
499
last
session,
and
we
appreciate
the
work
that
y'all
put
into
that.
We
have
amazing
opportunities
ahead
of
us
but
left
unaddressed.
These
opportunities
will
become
additional
barriers
to
blue
oval,
SK
and
other
incoming
industries
that
our
regional
will
hopefully
host
or
is
already
hosting
frankly
and
now,
Myra
Cobalt
will
wrap
up
our
presentation
with
an
employer's
perspective
on
the
expungement
program.
E
E
E
That
would
then
be
earmarked
for
expungement
costs.
I
also
learned
that
the
young
woman
featured
in
this
video
Timmy,
Michelle
tolhurst,
was
already
an
employee
of
hmh
and
that
Dr
Lovell
and
Miss
Springsteen
had
been
assisting
her
with
her
expungement
goals.
We
used
Miss
tolhurst's
situation
as
an
opportunity
to
develop
an
employment-based
expungement
program
centering
on
hmh
accruing
one
thousand
dollars
for
every
year
of
employment.
In
Ms
tolhar's
case,
she
had
been
an
employee
in
good
standing,
long
enough
to
earn
the
funds
to
offset
all
expungement
related
costs.
E
G
In
March
of
2010
I
was
arrested
and
had
some
drug
charges
placed
against
me.
It
was
my
first
arrest
never
been
in
trouble.
I
had
a
boyfriend
that
was
addicted
to
Oxycontin
and
trying
to
help
him
out
instead
of
reaching
for
outside
help
which
I
understand
is
dumb,
but
just
trying
to
help
him
out
and
ended
up
I
was
arrested.
He
had
an
addiction
problem,
so
he
got
thrown
into
rehab.
G
I
got
two
felony
accounts,
I
met
and
I
pled
ended
up
pleading
guilty
in
January
of
2011
to
the
two
felony
counts
placed
on
five
years
probation,
but
I
worked
three
jobs
just
to
make
sure
my
bills
were
paid.
So
I
went
back
to
school
graduated
in
May
of
2016
with
my
bachelor's,
but
with
that
mistake
here,
I
am
nine
years
later,
still
having
to
pay
for
that
price
and
work.
G
Multiple
jobs
do
self-employment
on
the
side
to
try
to
earn
just
a
little
bit
of
extra
money
and
I
have
a
bachelor's
degree
that
I'm
paying
student
loans
on,
but
can't
not
that
I
don't
use
that
degree,
but
I
can't
find
employment
in
that
degree.
Unfortunately,
it's
a
little
pricey
right
now
and
I
can
look
at
it
and
say:
okay,
I
can
file
this
paperwork
for
five
hundred
dollars
or
my
house
payments
570.
We.
F
Have
to
find
something
that
supports
people
when
they
come
out
of
jail
that
allows
them
to
see
employers
willing
to
hire
them
regardless
of
these
felony
convictions,
and
also
be
willing
to
invest
in
them
for
the
future.
The
program
is
designed
for
employers
to
assist
employees
with
the
expungement
process
and
the
associated
costs
to
remove
these
qualifying
Class
D
Felony
convictions
from
their
record
a.
C
Person
is
eligible
for
expungement
if
they
have
a
misdemeanor
or
Class
D,
Felony
convictions
if
they
were
acquitted
or
the
charges
were
dismissed,
that's
also
on
the
record
or
if
they
receive
a
pardon
for
the
from
the
governor,
then
they're
eligible.
These
don't
include
convictions
for
sex,
offenses
or
offenses
against
a
child
they,
but
they
only
become
eligible
for
expungement
five
years
after
completion
of
their
sentence,
probation,
and
that
includes
paying
fines
as
an.
E
Employer
we
have
a
need
for
or
Workforce,
especially
in
areas
where
retention
is
a
challenge,
and
you
know
I
I
think
I
can
speak
for
a
number
of
employers
in
the
area
where
they
are
looking
for
for
dedicated
workers.
That
will
stay
over
the
course
of
time
and
I,
just
remember
being
inspired
by
Timmy
story
and
saying
we
have
to
create
the
pathway
for
these
individuals
to
gain
employment
and
I
just
thought.
You
know
if
she
wants
to
work
and
we
have
a
need,
why
not
partner
together
and
then
the
part
of
her
story?
E
That
really
touched
me
was.
You
know
there
are
moments
where
you
choose
to
either
pay
for
rent
or
pay
for
expungement
costs.
That's
a
no-brainer
and
so
expungement
kind
of
goes
by
the
wayside
and
I
just
felt
like.
We
could
be
the
example
to
local
employers
to
create
a
way
for
them
to
take
a
chance
on
individuals
who
want
to
work
in
the
hopes
that
you
know
over
the
course
of
time.
We
are
able
to
offer
funds
to
individuals
to
offset
costs
of
expungements.
They
get
their
goals
of
having
a
clean
record.
E
We
have
a
retained
employee
who
is
now
ingrained
in
our
culture
and
is
believes
in
what
we
do
in
our
mission
and
we
are
able
to
retain
Talent
over
time
and
I.
Think
that's
what
any
employer
wants
to
to.
G
Felons
aren't
always
bad
people,
you
make
one
mistake:
sometimes
that's
a
misdemeanor
and
you
don't
see
it.
Sometimes
it's
a
felony
and
you
do
just
the
other
day.
I
received
notification.
Actually
after
my
newborn
was
born
that
my
record
was
expunged
and
then
last
week
I
had
a
background
check
run
and
it
came
back
clean
for
the
first
time
in
10
years.
So
that
was
pretty
exciting
to
see
that
and
just
how
amazing
that
can
be
not
only
in
my
life
but
into
other
people
who
haven't
had
that
support
who
need
that
support.
A
H
A
B
Proceed
I
heard
the
laughter
there
Dr
Alika.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
today.
This
is
this
was
outstanding,
a
lot
of
thought-provoking
statements
and
and
things
for
me
to
think
about.
As
we
leave
Dr
Lovell
for
you
in
particular,
you
made
a
statement
that
someone
that
employers
potential
employers
look
at
credentials
earned
while
incarcerated
poorly.
Why
is
that?
Do
you
think.
F
Sure
so
what
the
study
out
of
Cornell
was
showing
us
is
that,
because
of
how
many
preconceived
notions
that
the
general
public
typically
has
about
those
who
are
maybe
incarcerated
that
when
they
see
that
they
earn
those
credentials
in
prison
again,
it's
it's
that
it's
that
barrier
of
that
preconceived
notion,
even
though
to
me,
I,
look
at
it
positively,
but
I
have
long
worked
with
the
Justice
involved
community,
and
not
only
that
I
am
a
family
member
with
a
sister
who
has
felony
convictions
and
so
I
understand
it
from
a
personal
level.
F
And
so
you
know
again
it's
it's
really
working
with
employers
to
help
them
to
understand
and
to
get
past
some
of
those
those
those
preconceived
notions
they
have
about.
Well,
what's
going
to
happen,
if
I
hire
somebody
with
a
felony
conviction-
and
it
was
a
surprising
finding
because
you
know
we-
we
Implement
these
programs
across
the
country
right
and
on
the
surface,
it's
like.
Yes,
of
course,
you
know
this
is
gonna.
You
know
you
get
your
Masonry
three
or
you
get
HVAC
or
you
get.
F
You
know
any
of
these
credentials,
but
you've
also
got
to
put
on
that
resume.
The
school
that
you
attended
and
when
it
might
say
you
know,
Eddyville
Penitentiary
an
employer
sees
that
that's
a
little
that's
right
there
for
them
might
be
say:
okay.
This
is
not
going
to
go
any
further
when
they
might
have
a
really
amazing
employee
and
so
yeah.
It's
we.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
with
education
of
employers.
B
Thank
you
and
I
think
that's
to
Echo
what
you
said.
You
know.
I
know
that
Investments
are
being
made
in
equipping
individuals.
You
know,
GED
CDLs
is
is
a
is
a
really
hot
hot
one
across
the
country
now
and
I
would
want
to
make
sure
you
know
I
view
it
the
same
way
that
you
do
I
I'm
that
Optimist,
that
if
you're
gonna,
if
you're
gonna,
put
that
effort
in
and
go
above
and
beyond
and
earn
something
and
learn
something
that
you
know
it
should
pay
off
for
you.
B
Do
you
believe
that
this
is
a
stigma
that
will
lessen
in
time?
Is
this?
Is
this
something
that
the
business
Community
needs
to
talk
more
about
and
have
have
open
discussions
about.
F
So
I'm
very
excited
that
the
end
of
October
I'll
be
attending
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
they're,
doing
an
entire
day
on
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
in
the
workforce
and
they're
going
to
be
having
these
conversations
with
employers
and
that's
an
important
first
step
in
really
opening
the
lines
of
communication
and
having
meaningful
conversation
about
what
this.
F
To
begin
that
conversation,
and
so
yes,
I,
absolutely
agree
that
having
conversations
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
and
belonging
really
with
employers,
it
has
to
be
the
other
side
of
the
puzzle.
We
can.
We
can
try
to
get
people's
skills
built
up
all
day
long,
but
if
it
doesn't
match
that
people
will
hire
them,
then
that's
very
frustrating
for
the
people.
Who
put
you
know
we
tell
them.
If
you
just
do
the
work.
Do
the
work
do
the
work,
but
then
you
can't
get
the
job.
That's
that's
really
heartbreaking
and
further
reduces
their
self-efficacy.
I
Thank
you
chairman,
ladies
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
I
had
to
step
out
for
a
phone
call,
so
I
may
have
missed
it.
You
were
talking
about
the
changes
to
expungement
regarding
fees,
the
length
of
time
they've
got
to
wait
before
they
can
access
the
expungement
relief,
but
I
missed
where
you
connected
that
to
its
impact
on
minorities,
people
of
color.
Did
you
give
any
data
on
that?
F
Course,
data
and
literature
out
there
about
that
particular
issue.
You
know
we
know
that
there
are
those
heightened
impacts.
We
know
that
there
are
that
the
the
the
challenges
are
greater
for
communities
for
for
people
of
color,
whether
it's
it's
black
people,
I'm
Native
American.
We
see
the
same
thing
in
our
tribal
communities,
and
so,
but
if
you're
interested
I
can
certainly
get
you
some
more
pinpointed
information
and
data
to
help
you
with
that
I.
Just
don't
have
it
on
me
right
now,
I.
I
Would
like
to
have
that
specifically,
if
it's
specific
to
Kentucky,
so
we
can
understand
its
impact
on
on
that
those
populations
here
in
the
Bluegrass
and
then
another
question,
I
had
and
I
I
really
struggle
with
this
I've
been
one
of
the
impediments
to
more
I'll,
say:
gracious,
expungement
legislation
I
wish
the
fee
hadn't
been
reduced.
The
Supreme
Court
issued
an
order
in
a
case
I
believe
it
was
last
year
that
impacted
the
fees
and
and
Indigent
applicants
for
expungement
I
disagreed
with
the
Court's
position.
I
I
But
there
are
a
bunch
that
put
on
a
really
good
show
while
they
carry
two,
you
know:
thousand
dollar
smartphones
and
they're
wearing
nicer
clothes
than
the
second
hand,
dawa
hair
suit.
That
I
had
for
a
time
as
a
prosecutor
and
got
into
nicer
cars
when
they're
done
with
their
hearings
and
so
I
I'm,
not
crazy
about
reducing
the
fee.
I
I
But
if
that
person
needs
to
work-
and
you
have
the
need-
there's
absolutely
nothing-
stopping
Baptist,
Health
or
any
other
employer
from
hiring
those
folks
now
I
understand
that
there
are
people
who
are
reluctant
they're
employers
and
that's
a
very
legitimate
issue,
but
you
were
making
the
argument
that
you've
got
a
need
and
you've
got
someone
to
work,
and
you
need
this
expungement
to
make
that
happen.
No,
you,
don't
you
do
not
so
I,
don't
know
why
I
I
don't
feel
compelled
to
make
a
bunch
of
we
we've
already
made
expungement
possible.
I
Some
of
them
have
been
made
automatic.
You
don't
have
to
apply
for
some
expungements
anymore,
so
I
guess
I'm
I'm
curious.
Why
we
need
to
make
any
changes.
I
But
you
don't
necessarily
need
the
legislature
to
make
that
possible.
You
need
the
private
sector
to
give
more
grace,
I.
Suppose,
anyway,
I
don't
know
if
that
much
of
a
question
so
much
as
a
speech
but
I
I,
guess
I'm,
just
not
convinced
that
there
are
changes
that
we
can
make,
because
creating
more
paths
to
expungement
or
quicker
paths
or
cheaper
paths
to
expungement
still
won't
change
employers.
I
E
Sure
I
don't
know
that
I'll
I'll
address
your
comments,
specifically
as
the
employer
in
the
group
I
think
in
today's
world,
and
even
when,
when
this
Timmy's
situation
was
first
brought
to
my
attention,
hiring
Recruitment
and
Retention
is
every
HR
executive's
Nightmare
and
continues
to
be,
and
it
was.
It
was
one
of
those
opportunities
where
someone
wanted
the
opportunity
to
work
and
as
an
employer
we
had
positions
available
and
so
I
think
it
was
really.
E
It
was
a
moment
where
we
could
help
each
other
allow
for
an
example
for
an
employer
to
put
together
a
program
that
would
allow
individuals
to
set
aside
funds
toward
expungement.
They
could
then
have
the
private
sector
to
be
able
to
to
point
to
as
an
example
to
those
others,
employers
and
so
I.
Guess
from
my
perspective,
I
want
I
want
this.
Our
work
to
be
an
example
for
other
employers,
the
private
sector.
E
E
In
this
particular
case.
It
was
expungement
related
and
so
again,
I'm
not
going
to
address
your
specific
comments.
I
just
employers
should
want,
what's
best
not
only
for
their
company
but
for
their
employees,
because
in
do
in
feeling
that
way,
the
business
benefits
as
well,
and
so
it
was
from
that
perspective
that
we
felt
like
we
needed
to
help
Timmy
and
and
her
goals,
and
that
was
working
with
Dr
Lovell
and
Miss
Springsteen
around
establishing
an
expungement
program.
Senator.
E
At
the
time
an
offer
of
employment
is
made.
We
aren't
aware
of
that
individual's
criminal
record.
We
are
made
aware
after
an
employment
offer
has
been
extended.
That's
when
the
background
check
is
completed,
and
it's
at
that
point
that
we
would
know
and
then,
as
long
as
it's
not
directly
relevant
relevant
to
the
requirements
of
the
position,
the
employment
process
continues,
and
so
we
don't
need
the
EXP.
We
don't
need
an
expungement
at
the
time
the
offer
is
made.
However,.
I
Able-
and
you
all
should
be
applauded
for
that
commended
for
that
I
think
doing
that
not
as
a
condition
of
employment
but
as
something
you're
doing
for
a
staff
member
that
you
just
want
to
help
I
think
that's
great
and
I
wish
all
employers
did
that
and
I
wish
all
employers
had
the
same
position.
You
did
that
you'd
hire
a
convicted
felon.
So
long
as
that
didn't
have
some
impact
on
the
work
they
were
going
to
be
asked
to
do,
not
all
of
them
will
and
I
wish.
I
They
all
would
so
you're
to
be
commended
on
that.
Just
not
sure
what
legislatively
we
can
do
to
improve
upon
that.
One
of
the
biggest
debates
that
we
have
up
here
is
not
just
about
the
fee
and
the
length
of
time.
You've
got
to
wait
before
you
can
apply,
but
which
offenses
should
even
be
expungible
at
all.
We've
got
a
statute
439,
3601
or
3604.
Something
like
that.
I
I
may
have
just
butchered
that
reference,
but
it
was
it's
the
violent
offense
statute
that
dictates
that
for
certain
fence,
offenses
listed
in
that
statute,
the
parole
eligibility
rate
is
85
percent.
Instead
of
the
standard
20
percent,
those
some
are
at
50
as
well,
but
there's
a
whole
host
of
offenses
that
don't
fall
under
that
statute,
but
that
everyone
I
say
everyone,
there's
General
agreement
that
those
offenses
are
morally
reprehensible
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
heartburn
about
giving
that
sort
of
Second
Chance.
A
E
E
If
someone
has
a
conviction
that
is
passing
bad
checks
or
something
that
is
going
to
be
Finance
related,
the
conviction
must
be
directly
relevant
to
the
position
for
us
to
rescind
the
offer
outside
of
that,
another
example
might
be
someone
who
has
DUIs
as
long
as
they
are
not
operating
a
vehicle
on
our
behalf
that
will
not
preclude
them
from
being
considered
for
employment.
Is
that
that.
F
What
do
we
do
you
know?
What
do
we
do
about
those
kind
of
situations
where
they've
they've
paid
their
debt
to
society?
They
are
working
really
hard
every
day
to
remain.
You
know
a
law-abiding
citizen
and
probably
would
be
phenomenal
in
some
positions
that
could
impact
other
people,
other
kids
of
other
individuals-
that
maybe
you
know,
have
some
of
the
same
experiences,
but
they
can't
work
in
those
fields.
F
I
also
think
it's
important
to
you
know
to
recognize
that
if
you've
got
an
employee
that
is
dedicated
to
your
company,
they
might
want
to
move
up
in
that
company.
And
let's
say
that
there
are.
You
know
there
are
restrictions
that
a
National
Corporation
may
not
make,
but
if
the
employer
can
help
them
get
that
record
expunged,
then
they
can
move
up,
and
so
it's
kind
of
that.
It's
kind
of
that
balance.
It's
that
balance
between
you
know
what
Senator
Westerfield
is
talking
about.
F
He
sees
the
worst
of
the
worst
in
his
when
in
his
job,
I
mean
that's
just
the
way
it
is,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
room
between
the
worst
of
the
worst
and
and-
and
you
know
what
we're
often
talking
about
in
terms
of
you
know
these
convictions
inhibiting
people
to
being
able
to
pursue
other
goals
other
than
entry-level
positions,
good.
A
J
Thank
you,
chairman
and
I
I
have
but
I'd
like
to
address
very
briefly.
If
I
could
a
couple
of
comments
at
Senator,
Westerfield
made
and
believe
it
or
not,
I
disagree
a
bit
with
his
position.
I
think
you
know
fundamentally,
the
issue
is
that
a
person
commits
a
crime
they're
convicted
of
a
crime.
They
are
sentenced
and
they
complete
the
sentence.
I
think
once
that
debt
is
paid,
they
don't
need
to
keep
paying
for
it.
I
understand
the
concerns
and
reasonable
people
can
disagree
on
which
offenses
can
be
expunged
and
I.
J
And
of
course
the
issue
is,
if
you're
going
to
be,
if
you've
completed
your
debt
to
society,
and
you
want
a
clean
slate,
that
clean
slate
means
that
your
background
is
not
flagged
by
an
employer
when
doing
a
background
check,
because
that,
unfortunately,
again
in
Ideal
World,
every
employer
would
be
aware
of
that.
Not
every
offense
is
the
same.
J
It
would
take
the
time
to
talk
to
them
and
figure
out
what
happened
and
are
they
a
good
fit
Etc,
but
that
doesn't
happen
and
a
lot
of
employers
just
don't
have
the
resources
or
the
time
to
get
into
those
kinds
of
conversations.
And
frankly,
if
they're
a
company
that
are
Contracting
with
a
state
government
federal
government,
there
are
a
lot
of
positions
that
would
just
preclude
that
conversation
entirely
if
anything
shows
up
on
the
background
check.
So
that's
just
it's
just
an
equity
issue.
J
In
terms
of
what
do
we
mean
when
we
say
your
debt
is
paid?
What
do
we
mean
when
we
say
you
can
start
with
a
clean
slate?
That
being
said,
my
questions
were
kind
of
I.
Think
you
brought
up
funding
and
you
had
mentioned.
There's
a
Fed
Federal
Bond
and
you
mentioned
2500.
You
mentioned
you
mentioned
a
few
amounts.
Five
thousand
I
was
wanting
to
ask
you.
What
is
that
flow
of
funding
like?
C
The
it's
Federal
funding
the
work
opportunity,
tax
credit
it
actually
will
provide.
It
has
a
number
of
different
categories
that
it
will
provide
an
employer
funding
for
if
they
I
mean
basically
take
risk
on
these
certain
types.
It
includes
disabled
veterans.
C
It
includes
felon
people,
felony
convictions,
I
just
mentioned
specifically
it's
two
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
for
an
employee
with
a
felony
conviction
if
they
work
or
after
they
work
up
to
120
hours
for
that
employer,
they
can
apply
through
that
to
get-
and
you
know
so,
they
need
to
be
employed
for
a
little
bit
of
time
and
then
they
can
get
the
support
from
for
the
tax
credit
and
that's
a
federal
program,
and
also
the
federal
bonding
program
is
offered
and
there's
information
on
through
the
Kentucky
career
center.
C
For
that,
an
employer
will
can
apply
for
a
bond
again
as
soon
as
the
applicant
has
a
job
job
offer
and
a
start
date,
and
this
include-
and
this
goes
to
temp
agencies
as
well.
So
if
I
mean
so,
if
an
employer
is
taking
what
they
see
as
a
risk
on
hiring
this
person,
then
they'll
have
a
bond
to
back
up
anything
for
theft
or
or
embezzlement,
or
anything
like
that.
C
That
might
happen
after
damages,
and
so
it's
just
opportunities
that
employers,
especially
small
businesses,
if
they're,
that
they
can
Avail
themselves
of
if
they're
willing
to
expand
their
their
perspective
on
hiring.
E
The
five
thousand
dollars
I
think
you
were
speaking
of
is
the
max
amount
of
the
expungement
program
award
that
we
designed
our
program
around
it.
That's
the
maximum
amount
and
honestly
it
was
a
number
that
to
start
with,
it
was
something
it
was
a
Brand
New
Concept
for
us.
Luckily,
we
I
remain
very
close
with
human
resources
and
it's
something
that
we
continue
to
discuss.
So
why
5000?
It
was
a
number
to
start
with.
C
I
think
when
we
were
initially
trying
to
develop,
we
just
wanted
to
have
a
broad
range
so
that
so
that
anybody
could
be
included
if
they
were
eligible,
and
so
that's
what
they
started
with
and.
F
And
also
I
want
to
mention
that
the
changes
to
the
law
took
place
kind
of
Midstream
to
when
we
were
doing
hard
work,
and
so
that
kind
of
the
the
costs
were
more
expensive
previously.
And
so,
when
we
were
first
batting
around
that
number.
That
kind
of
went
into
it
as
well
is
is
with
the
previous
customer
prior
to
the
reduction
that
was
made.
But.
J
D
What
a
great
presentation
I
remember
reading
this
in
the
newspaper,
I,
don't
know
whenever
it
you
all
had.
The
big
opening
I
was
just
so
proud.
I
was
proud
for
my
friend
Danielle,
but
I
was
more
proud
just
for
our
community
I
think
a
lot
of
times
when
we're
in
Frankfurt.
We
make
a
lot
of
decisions
with
just
assumptions
or
we
make
decisions.
D
You
know
based
kind
of
on
hearsay
and
so
I
really
appreciate
that
you
all
are
coming
from
Lincoln
Trail.
These
are
Workforce
barriers
that
you
all
have
identified
in
the
Lincoln
Trail
region,
but
I'm
going
to
suspect
that
these
aren't
just
issues
in
our
Lincoln
Trail
area.
These
are
all
across
the
Commonwealth
and
so
I
appreciate
that
you
all
have
taken
the
time
to
identify
Workforce
barriers.
D
You
know
we
have
5
000
people
coming
to
Glendale
and
Hardin
County
on
top
of
all
the
other
Economic
Development
opportunities
we're
having
in
Hardin
County
on
top
of
all
the
other
ancillary
companies
that
will
be
coming
from
Glendale
on
top
of
all
the
people
we
can't
hire
already
because
we
have
our
workforces
so
sparse.
You
know
I,
don't
know
that
when
we
drive
down
31W
or
ringgroat,
there
is
always
a
sign
that
says
hiring
and
that's
not
changed
so
appreciate
that
you
are
actually
looking
to
see
hey.
This
is
a
barrier.
D
Let's
try
to
fix
it.
You
know,
just
like
you
are
with
child
care
with
Transportation
with
housing
and
so
I
also
like
that.
You
all
are
meeting
people
where
they're
at
because
I
think
our
Workforce
is
changing
this
isn't
you
know
our
Workforce
has
changed
so
much.
It's
generational.
You
know,
we've
got
you
know.
Women
entered
the
workforce
and
then
women
left
the
workforce
because
of
covid.
You
also
have
people
who
are
not
getting
into
jobs
for
Lifetime
jobs.
My,
Generation
I've
had
four
or
five
jobs
already.
D
You
know
I'm
not
here,
for
you
know,
and
that's
okay,
you
know
the
previous
generation,
it
was
more
of
you
know
they.
They
were
looking
for
benefits
in
retirement
and
now
I'm
looking
for
mobile
retirement.
You
know
what
can
I
do.
I
need
a
401k,
you
know
so
we're
constantly
having
these
conversations
and
engaging
and
I
think
that's
when
we're
making
these
decisions.
We're
also
having
to
deal
with
a
drug
culture.
D
You
know
more
criminalization
of
things
and
so
I
think
that
there
is
a
huge
stigma:
Dr
Lovell,
what
you
brought
up
with
having
a
stigma
with
that
I
would
assume
that
there
are
some
cases
where
in
in
jobs
and
like
hospitals
or
schools,
you
can't
have
a
felony,
and
so
when
that
shows
up
that
automatically
it
marks
you
out.
You
know,
philosophically
everyone
believes
differently
and
that's
totally
okay,
but
if
I'm
going
to
preach
that
I
want
people
to
take
care
of
themselves
and
not
have
government,
take
care
of
them.
D
I
want
to
enable
that
person
to
do
that
to
take
care
of
themselves
and
so
to
remove
that
stigma
and
say
you
know
and
I'm
coming
this
from
a
non-lawyer
perspective.
You
know
I've
not
had
to
try
cases
so
I
know
that
you
know
some
of
my
colleagues
have
a
lot
of
different
lived
experiences
than
I
do
and
I
respect
where
they're
coming
from
for
that.
D
But
I
think
that,
with
the
stigma,
there's
a
much
better
chance
that
we
can
give
them
a
new
chance
if
it's
a
non-violent
crime,
if
they
want
to
be
out
in
the
workforce
and
if
they
want
to
be
helping,
be
a
pivotal
or
being
a
very
important
part
of
society.
Let's
let
them
do
that
and
you
know
kind
of
if
we
want
to.
D
If
we
want
people
to
take
care
of
themselves,
we
need
to
give
them
the
opportunity
too
and
I
really
I'm
kind
of
curious
if
there's
a
correlation
of
expungement
recidivism,
because
I
would
think
that,
if
you've,
if
you've
gone
through
the
process
of
expungement
you're,
not
wanting
to
go
back
to
jail,
you're
wanting
to
live
that
new
life
for
you
and
so
I
would
be
interested
in
that
I
do
have
two
questions,
though,
and
one
is,
if
you
got
to
pick
the
amount
for
reducing
the
amount
of
time
of
to
wait
for
expungement.
D
C
Know
like
the
next
dream
is
tomorrow
yeah,
but
well
and
I
guess
I
mentioned
two
years
because
at
least
under
this
program
it
takes
a
year
of
employment
to
earn
the
thousand
dollars.
But
obviously
this
this
program
is
very
flexible.
I
mean
employer,
could
do
I
mean
I.
Think
right
now,
Myra
has
mentioned
that
you
know
it'd,
be
amazing
to
have
an
employee
in
some
of
these
positions
for
a
year.
C
C
I
mean
a
year
out
again:
there's
housing
barriers,
there's
other
barriers
that
they
have
to
try
to
overcome,
just
to
get
to
the
point
of
being
able
to
expunge,
and
so
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure
what
would
be
reasonable
when
I
want
zero,
but
one
one
or
two
years,
less
than
five
will
be
great,
would
would
be
a
great
goal
honestly,
because
we
we
want
these
folks,
as
I
said,
to
build
back
their
lives.
C
And
while
we
want
every
business
to
be
open
to
this
idea
of
hiring
people
with
with
convictions,
they're,
just
not
going
to
be
I
mean
it's.
It's
warm
and
fuzzy,
but
they're
just
not
going
to
be,
and
you
get
somebody
that
might
have
the
opportunity,
like
Timmy
Michelle
to
expunge.
But
then
is
she
trapped
in
that
job?
If
she
doesn't
get
expungement,
can
she
you
know?
Does
she
have
the
confidence
to
go
out
and
apply
for
other
jobs
just
to
see
who's
going
to
let
her
come
work
before
expungement?
F
I
think
the
conversation
I
think
we
need
to.
Of
course
you
know
I'm
an
academic,
so
I'm
going
to
say
going
back
to
the
literature,
better
understanding
what
those
what
the
post
incarceration
period
looks
like.
We
already
know
that
recidivism
is
high
across
the
United
States
period,
and
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with,
as
Julia
pointed
out
some
of
the
factors,
if
you
can't,
you
know,
find
somewhere
to
live
or
if
you
can't
get,
you
know,
get
hired
on
because
of
the
stigma
or
you
know.
F
All
of
these
transportation
is
a
huge
issue
in
our
region
for
people
with
with
coming
out
of
jail
because
they
don't
have
a
vehicle,
and
you
know
how
are
you
going
to
get
to
your
job
and
get
to
your
interview?
All
of
these
things
are
interrelated,
and
then
you
add
on
to
the
fact
that
you
know
we're
we're
looking
at
a
large
portion
of
this
group
already
starting
in
a
place
of
poverty
and
poverty
is
kind
of
one
of
those,
those
interlinking
factors
that
tie
all
of
that
together.
F
There
was
a
study
that
just
came
out
that
I
was
reading
just
before
that,
and
it
was
giving
the
cost
of
poverty
on
the
criminal
justice
system
and
and
on
like
Security
in
general,
and
you
know,
I
think
it
was
like
25
of
those.
No,
that
was
much.
It
was
higher
than
that
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
out
of
turn,
but
it
was
a
pretty
significant
percent
of
those
that
grew
up
in
childhood.
F
Poverty
are
now
incarcerated,
and
so
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
broadly
and
holistically
to
try
to
impact
at
this
at
multiple
levels
that
it
doesn't
get
us
to
the
point
where
we're
talking
about
okay.
Well,
we've
got
to
get
these
record
expunged
because
we've
got
to
get
people.
You
know
back
to
work
that
have
these
barriers.
So
for
me
it's
it's.
We've
got
to
go
back
to
literature.
We've
got
to
understand
what
that
timeline
looks
like
we
know.
F
D
And
then
one
last
question:
has
there
been
any
conversations
about
removing
and
I?
Don't
want
I've,
not
I've.
Just
like
I
was
thinking
about
this.
The
other
day
have
there
been
any
conversations
about
removing
the
question
of
being
a
felon
on
applications
and
I.
Don't
know
like
I'm
that
could
be
a
state
that
could
be
like
a
policy
maker
I.
Don't
know
that
I
don't
know
who
I
need
to
ask
that
to
maybe
Senator
Givens
or
you
all.
A
I
think
the
someone
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
banned
the
box
is
a
movement.
That's
been
talked
about
for
years,
and
the
box
is
the
phrase
to
move
in
that
direction
of
eliminating
the
question
on
employment.
H
A
I
feel
like
there
are
certain
circumstances
in
which
and
correct
me
again
if
I'm
wrong,
you
can't
ban
that
question.
There
are
certain
circumstances.
You
indicated
some
as
it
relates
to
to
the
role
someone
may
be
applying
for,
but
I
think
for
purposes
of
an
initial
interview.
The
ban,
the
Box
movement
was
a
movement
Nationwide
to
try
and
remove
that
obstacle.
E
I
can
say
that
when
we
were
hard
in
Memorial
health,
we
had
the
question
on
the
application,
but
it
was
a
I
think
something
that
Miss
Springsteen
mentioned.
It
was
an
individual
conversation.
If
a
record
was
found,
we
would
ask
about
circumstances
dates
Etc
when
we
transitioned
to
Baptist
Health
that
they
do
not
ask
that
question
on
their
application.
So,
as
things
stand
today,
we
that
is
not
a
question
that
is
asked
it.
It
is
determined
after
the
employment
offer
is
given
so.
D
K
K
It
also
helps
law
enforcement.
For
those
of
us
who
are
big
Believers
in
law
enforcement
as
a
positive
Force
for
good,
this
allows
people
who
have
had
interactions
with
law
enforcement
to
hopefully
not
have
them
anymore.
Now
they
are
employed,
they're,
working
and
so
members
of
our
law
enforcement
can
focus
on
folks,
who
are
all
politely
say
not
yet
in
that
position
where
they
want
to
be
contributors
to
society.
This
is
a
benefit
that
can
be
positive
all
the
way
around
now.
K
Mr
chairman
I
also
always
try
to
provide
something
useful
for
our
group
to
do
some
homework
for
us.
I
think
it
could
be
beneficial.
Somebody
was
mentioning
before
I
think
it
was
Dr
Lovell
talking
about
the
issue
of
how
folks
come
out.
They've
got
a
stigma
because
they
have
some
credential
that
is
provided
by
a
penitentiary.
K
My
institutions
I
work
with
the
independent
colleges
and
universities.
There
are
folks
that
have
an
interest
in
trying
to
provide
education,
higher
education
opportunities
credentials
for
folks
who
are
currently
incarcerated.
I,
don't
know
what
the
statutes
are
around
that
if
there
are
any
incentives
or
what
that
is
related
to
for
higher
education,
but
for
our
commission
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to
review
those
again
I
don't
know.
K
Maybe
it
comes
up
that
we
we
do
nothing
or
that
we
ask
the
legislature
to
do
nothing
but
I
think
looking
at
potentially
first
what
the
statutes
might
be
surrounding
that
for
higher
education.
If
there
is
an
opportunity
for
public
higher
education
to
to
play
a
more
active
role,
just
because
there's
a
more
direct
relationship,
there
I
think
that
could
be
beneficial,
but
for
our
homework
purposes,
I
think
the
commission
could
benefit
from
looking
at
that
to
see
what
usefulness
is
there.
K
I
would
also
encourage
you
all-
maybe
you're,
already
doing
this
as
good
researchers,
thinking
about
a
study
that
looks
at
the
two
types
of
employees,
those
that
have
had
to
deal
with
the
expungement
and
those
that
have
not
looking
at
it
from
a
productivity
standpoint
to
take
away
the
stigma
to
take
away
any
other
aspect
of
it.
Are
you
good
at
your
job
and
I?
K
Think
if,
if
we're
able
to
provide
data
that
says
that
it's
equal
or
there's
some
proficiency
or
whatever
I
think
that
could
help
employers
from
the
stigma
standpoint
as
well
to
say,
if
you
hire
people
again,
assuming
the
data
come
back
positive
or
at
least
neutral,
you
hire
somebody
who
has
had
a
a
Justice
involved
background.
You
don't
get
any
worse
work
product.
In
fact,
you
might
even
get
a
better
one.
They
might
be
a
little
bit
more
excited
about
the
fact.
They've
got
the
opportunity
to
work.
K
I,
don't
know
what
the
data
will
show
us,
but
I
think
that
would
be
an
interesting
follow-up
study
to
do
question
you
all,
obviously
an
employer
Western
to
be
sure,
but
but
Baptist
Health,
Harden
Baptist,
is
part
of
a
broader
network.
Is
there
any
interest
in
expanding
this
particular
program
across
the
network?
Maybe
you
you
can't
answer
that
one
and
then
also
different
hospital
networks
across
the
state
through
the
hospital
Association
or
something
like
that.
E
We
have
I
would
say
fairly
recently
touted
the
good
work
that
that
we
started
covet,
hit
and
disrupted
everything
and
so
I
think
we've
had
to
revisit
really
being
able
to
share
the
work
that
we've
done.
We've
tried
to
talk
at
every
opportunity
about
the
program
that
we
offer
foreign
I'm,
still
somewhat
new
to
Baptist,
Health
hardened
and
to
being
part
of
something
larger.
E
So,
although
I'm
no
longer
in
Human,
Resources
I
still
have
contacts,
and
so
it's
a
matter
of
making
sure
that
they
know
that
the
program
exists
and
and
how
it
can
be
of
benefit.
I
suspect
that
once
we
can
have
some
other
examples,
come
to
the
top
there'd
be
more
to
share.
E
Honestly
I've
been
somewhat
disappointed
at
the
lack
of
Interest
by
employers
period
businesses
period
in
asking
questions
about
the
work
that
we
did.
Maybe
there's
a
Pollyanna
part
of
me,
but
when
we
rolled
this
out
and
had
our
first
example
and
went
in
with
Timmy-
and
we
did
some
initial
PR
Communications
I
just
expected
to
be
so
busy
with
questions
and
interest-
and
you
know-
come
talk
to
our
HR
person
about
instituting
this
program
at
our
employee.
E
I
just
thought
we'd
be
so
busy
with
engagement
speaking
engagements
that
we
wouldn't
know
what
to
do
with
ourselves,
but
that
just
never
came
to
fruition
and
again
I
hate
to
blame
everything
on
covid.
But
that
did
disrupt
quite
a
lot.
But
my
hope
is
that,
with
renewed
interest,
renewed
need
to
revisit
how
employers
find
their
Workforce
that
we
will
start
to
get
those
questions
and
those
requests.
And
perhaps,
with
your
help,
we
we
can
Inspire
others
to
to
offer
this
the
same.
And
so
that's
the
work
still
to
be
done.
A
B
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
presentation.
It
was
it's
certainly
eye-opening
and
it's
something
that
my
predecessor
before
me
and
in
the
eight
years
since
I've,
been
here
in
the
general
assembly,
has
been
an
issue
across
the
board
for
the
the
people
in
our
community
that
have
and
have
that
have
committed
a
felony.
And
it's
like
that
that
red
letter
you
know
they
got
a
red
letter
on
their
forehead.
That
says
felony
a
red
f
and
it
means
that
that
this
Society
this
this
community.
B
We
don't
have
people,
there's
Workforce
problem
in
our
state
and
until
we
start
to
do
things
differently
in
terms
of
incarceration
and
how
we
treat
ex-felons
and
to
get
away
from
recidivism,
so
that
people
have
an
opportunity
right
now.
People
don't
have
one
and-
and
we
continue
to
to
shackle
them
with
the
issues
that
that
they
face
and
and
I'd
like
to
bring
to
to
to
bring
note
to
the
to
the
name
of
this
Commission
Commission
on
race
and
access
to
opportunities.
B
A
lot
of
what
people
out
there
are
simply
wanting
is
access
to
opportunity,
and
we
continue
to
do
the
same
thing
that
we've
always
done
and,
and
you
know,
I
I,
Senator,
Westerfield
and
other
people
that
work
in
the
work
in
the
profession
in
the
criminal
justice,
profession,
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
in
the
criminal
justice,
profession,
I'm
I'm,
an
advocate
and
I
think
that
people
out
there,
the
people
that
I
see
that
that
that
cannot
get
an
opportunity
just
simply
to
put
their
past
behind
them
so
that
they
can
go
forward.
B
This
program
with
the
expungement
and
the
fact
that
the
the
expungement
bill
that
passed
here
in
Kentucky.
We
we
put
additional
fees
on
and
we
put
a
period
of
time,
five
years
after
they've
completed
their
their
sentence
and
paid
all
restitution,
they
have
to
wait
five
years
before
their
record
can
be
expunged.
B
A
A
Yes,
and
on
the
subject
of
thank
you
for
time
and
commitment
and
passion.
We're
excited
to
have
our
next
presenter
here
at
the
commission.
Continuing
on
this
theme
of
Justice,
we
welcome
to
the
table
representatives
from
the
Wanda
Joyce
Robinson
Foundation,
to
speak
about
the
services
they
provide
to
the
community.
I
think
there
may
be
more
of
you
than
there
are
chairs,
but
there
are
plenty
of
chairs
you
can
bring
forward
to
slide
up
to
the
table,
we're
honored
to
have
you
here.
A
We
appreciate
the
exciting
work
you're
doing,
and
we
appreciate
you
taking
time
out
of
your
schedules
to
be
here
and
share
your
testimony
with
us.
So
with
that,
if
you,
if
each
of
you
would
start
by
by
introducing
yourself
for
the
record
and
then
move
directly
into
your
testimony-
and
you
can
start
wherever
you
wish,
but
just
make
sure
everyone
gets
gets
introduced,
thank
you.
H
H
L
B
Good
evening
my
name
is
Xavion
Brown
and
I'm.
A
part
of
the
Wanda
George
Robinson
Foundation.
L
Amanda
Joyce
Robertson
Foundation
was
founded
in
2018
actually
four
years
ago
to
this
month.
Our
organization
is
composed
of
an
incredible
team
of
board
and
advisory
council
members,
several
of
whom
are
present
today.
These
individuals
are
heroes
in
their
own
right:
our
chief
of
police,
social
workers,
Educators
Mental,
Health,
Providers,
Juvenile,
Justice,
folks,
Court
designated
workers,
the
Kentucky
Chamber
of
Commerce,
Mental,
Health,
Providers,
Kentucky,
State,
University,
and
also
individuals
with
lived
Justice
experience.
L
So,
who
are
we
combined
we're
a
21-member
board
and
advisory
Council?
We
actually
have
seven
part-time
contract
positions
and
two
University
of
Kentucky
Social
Work
interns.
Today
we
have
zero
full-time
staff.
However,
we've
received
a
phone
call.
This
morning
last
spring
the
Franklin
County
Fiscal
Court
presented
a
Grant
application
on
our
behalf
to
the
office
of
Juvenile
Justice
and
delinquency
prevention,
and
we
were
informed
this
morning
that
we
are
recipients
of
that
Grant.
L
So
what's
the
issue,
Kentucky's
incarceration
rate
is
more
than
double
the
national
average
12
percent
of
Kentucky,
Children
and
Youth
impacted
I
will
Spotlight
Franklin
County.
We
are
actually
able
to
capture
real
numbers
through
our
school
system
during
our
online
school
registration,
in
which
we
directly
ask
as
the
child
in
your
home
impacted
by
incarceration.
We
see
that
number
coming
in
right
in
at
11
percent,
comparable
to
our
state
average
I
will
I
will
say
that
this
number,
in
my
opinion,
is
conservative.
L
L
So
what
do
we
do?
We
certainly
support
visitation
with
incarcerated
parents,
we're
able
to
host
contact
visitation
in
our
local
County
Jail.
We
one
of
our
part-time
pay
positions.
We
have
someone
who
provides
visitation,
video
visitation
support
that
they
meet
weekly
with
the
children
so
that
those
visits
can
occur.
We
also
give
our
families
gas
cards
so
that
they
can
travel
to
facilities
outside
of
Franklin
County.
L
So
how
do
we
tackle
this
issue?
You
know
what
what
exactly
is
going
on
here?
We're
with
our
families
we're
able
to
provide
a
monthly
caregiver
support
group.
We
offer
parent
cafes,
that's
part
of
the
be
strong
families
National
program.
We
have
quarterly
family
Fellowship
events.
We
provide
assistance
with
basic
needs.
M
M
We
love
the
fact
that
well
I,
personally
as
a
mom
love
the
fact
that
they
have
some
one
that
they
can
look
up
to.
She
has
a
mentor.
He
has
a
mentor,
they
speak
with
their
mentors
daily
I
love
the
fact
that
I
can
have
people
that
deal
with
the
same
issues
that
I
deal
with
that
I
can
speak
with
them.
We
relate
talk
about
our
issues,
talk
about
our
children's
issues
and
discuss
a
plan
on
how
to
deal
with
those
issues.
M
I'm
proud
of
them
honestly,
I'm-
really
proud
of
them,
proud
of
myself,
proud
of
how
far
we've
come.
So
that's
what
I
like
about
the
Wanda
Joyce
Foundation.
L
Strengthening
families
is
a
priority
for
our
organization.
We
maintain
ongoing
conversation
with
our
local
dcbs
office.
We
know
that
on
any
given
day,
roughly
150
parents
are
incarcerated
in
Franklin
County,
an
implication
here.
The
clock
starts
ticking.
We
know
that
parents
have
12
months
to
work
a
case
plan
with
permanency
being
determined
at
the
15th
month.
We
have
many
mothers
and
fathers
sitting
in
County
Jail,
many
of
whom
remain
in
jail
because
they
do
not
have
the
financial
resources
to
bond
to
post
bond,
to
pay
additional
court
fees
and
that
clock
is
continues
to
tick.
L
We
are
advocating
today
for
Alternatives
and
sentencing.
Another
implication:
parenting
classes
are
only
offered
to
State
inmates,
they're
not
offered
to
general
population.
We
know
that
dcbs
offices
are
overwhelmed,
to
say
the
least.
However,
parents
who
are
incarcerated
are
often
left
out
of
sight
and
out
of
mind.
Efforts
are
not
being
made
for
visitation
and
reunification
to
occur.
The
Kentucky
youth
Advocates
2021
report
indicates
that
certainly
race
is
a
factor
here
with
minority
children
entering
the
foster
care
system
at
a
much
higher
rate.
L
Dale
and
I
truly
believe
that
Wanda
Joyce
can
be
a
model
program
for
how
families
impacted
by
incarceration
can
be
supported
and
strengthened
across
the
state.
Kids
rising
up
through
support
and
healing
is
a
pre-kindergarten
through
12th
grade
social,
emotional
curriculum
that
was
developed
by
two
Kentucky
educators
in
Greene
County.
We
have
been
able
to
implement
the
crash
program
in
every
Elementary
and
Middle
School
in
Franklin
and
Anderson
County.
We
have
over
200
children
attending
this
program.
Weekly
and
I'll.
Tell
you
for
our
school
year
we're
just
getting
started.
L
Most
of
our
groups
will
start
back
after
fall
break
an
unexpected
caveat
of
covid
was
that
the
founders
of
the
program,
Jelena
wheeler
and
Christy
Whitaker,
were
able
to
train
over
450
Educators
across
the
state
of
Kentucky
and
beyond.
All
of
this
work
volunteer
efforts
by
Educators
and
our
board
again
using
Franklin
County.
As
an
example,
we
are
looking
at
close
to
800
children
at
that
11
11
Mark,
who
qualify
for
a
crush.
The
implication
here
is
our
local
schools
need
two
three
four
and
five
Crush
programs
in
their
school
to
meet
the
demand.
L
We
cannot
expect
our
teachers
to
cover
that.
We
would
like
to
see
support
at
the
state
level
to
assist
with
the
implementation
of
a
Statewide
Crush
program
and
I
will
put
a
plug
in
here.
Greenup
County
is
seeing
a
60
percent
Improvement
in
state
testing
scores
for
their
students
who
participate
in
crush.
B
Okay,
so
what
I'm
going
to
be
talking?
So
what
am
I
I'm
gonna
be
talking
about
what
I
like
about
Crush,
so
I
like
to
be
able
to
go
in
there
and
discuss
how
I
feel
without
being
judged
or
feeling
like
I'm,
judged
or
being
worried
about
what
other
people
would
think
about
me
or
being
worried
that
I'm,
the
only
one
in
there.
That's
that
has
an
incarcerated
parent
and
another
thing
that
I
like
is
how
how
like
I
watch
some
of
the
quietest.
B
I'm
in
high
school,
so
I'm,
a
part
of
the
high
school
outreach
program,
I
attend
Franklin,
County,
High
School
and
something
I
like
about
it
is
like
I
get
to
meet,
I,
get
to
meet
with
kids,
my
own
age
and
hang
out
with
them
and
see
what
it's
like
from
kids,
even
older
than
me
to
younger
than
me
like,
like
the
middle
schoolers
and
everyone's
really
helpful,
especially
my
mentor,
my
mentor.
B
He
he's
always
there
trying
to
make
an
effort
to
be
that
male
role
model
that
I
didn't
have
growing
up
and
when,
when
I'm
with
that
group
of
people,
it's
it's
more
comforting
and
it
makes
me
feel
not
alone
when
I'm
by
my
when
I'm
with
them.
So
that's
really
a
big
part.
L
Savion
discuss:
we
offer
a
weekly
mentoring
program
for
our
high
school
youth.
The
success
here
is
incredible.
Connections
are
being
made
and
we
truly
believe
that
we
are
Breaking
the
Chain
of
generational
incarceration
poverty,
as
well
as
reducing
our
high
school
dropout
rates
in
our
Franklin
County
example.
We
know
that
about
30
percent
of
the
highest
tiered
students
in
our
state
persistence
to
graduation
report
are
impacted
by
incarceration
30
percent,
that's
30
that
could
be
removed
from
the
top
of
that
list.
L
With
supports
like
what
we
were
are
talking
about
today,
I
would
like
to
shift
focus
a
bit
to
families
impacted
by
substance,
use
a
social
worker
on
our
team.
Recent
has
recently
met
at
the
local
and
state
level
regarding
the
lack
of
adequate
mental
health
and
substance
use
treatment
programs,
particularly
for
adolescents,
in
need
of
sud
treatment
and
who
also
have
parents
and
active
addiction.
We
know
that
incarceration
and
addiction
often
go
hand
in
hand.
Our
kids
are
not
getting
high
for
fun
or
to
experiment.
L
They
are
getting
high
to
numb
themselves
from
the
trauma
they
live
in
each
day
and
we're
seeing
that
at
the
middle
school
level
and
Below
fourth
and
fifth
grades
prevention
has
got
to
start
early
Elementary,
there's
a
crucial
need
for
school-based
health
Investments
so
that
districts
can
attract
and
sustain
qualified
Mental
Health
Providers.
The
need
is
absolutely
daunting
and
we
must
intentionally
engage
and
activate
resources.
L
L
We
provided
an
example
from
Oregon
and
today's
been
an
emotional
day
with
that
announcement.
I'm,
not
a
crier,
but
every
time
I
read
these
statements
out
loud
I
do
cry
so
I'm
passing
it
to
deal.
H
H
How
we
got
here
is
that
I
spent
10
years
in
federal
prison.
That's
how
we
got
hurt.
I
left
two
boys
out
to
fend
for
themselves
without
the
right
mentors
without
the
right
support
of
the
community.
You
know
my
kids
probably
went
down
the
same
road
as
I
went
down
because
it
goes
back
to
Breaking
the
generational
curse.
My
father
went
to
prison.
I
didn't
have
support,
so
I
ended
up
going
to
prison.
My
brothers
went
to
prison,
but
I
made
sure
that
I
stayed
in
contact
with
my
kids,
while
I
was
in
prison.
H
I
made
sure
that
I
was
very
honest
and
upfront
about
what
I
did
so.
My
kids
can
know
and
understand
what
I
did
to
go
to
prison,
that
they
don't
have
to
go
that
route
and
I
always
told
them
my
dreams
about
what
I
was
going
to
do
when
I
got
out
and
I
stuck
to
those
dreams,
meaning
that
when
I
got
out
I
said
I
was
going
to
work
at
a
gym
and
get
a
job,
and
you
know
and
open
up
my
own
gym,
but
it
wouldn't
go
that
way.
H
I
had
to
check
the
box,
no
General
hire
me.
So
what
I
do
open
up
my
own
gym
in
my
garage
with
three
people,
and
this
woman
here
was
one
of
the
three
people
that
came
to
my
gym
in
my
garage
and
now
I
have
two
and
we're
on
the
way
to
open
up
three
and
we
have
a
franchise
and
I'm
a
speaker
I'm
an
author.
You
know-
and
this
is
why
the
ones
those
Robinson
foundation
so
prevalent-
is
that
these
kids
need
to
see
and
know
that
they're
special.
H
They
need
to
know
that
this
is
because
their
mom
or
their
dad
or
whatever
somebody
in
the
household
are
they
immediate
family
went
to
prison,
does
not
mean
that's
their
destination,
so
our
job
is
to
teach
them
that
they're
special.
We
have
to
expose
them
to
something
different
other
than
incarceration.
H
So
I
have
two
boys
and
I'm
just
grateful
that
they
had
the
right
support.
So
one
is
a
criminal
justice,
major
from
EKU
and
the
other
one
plays
for
United
the
New
York
Giants.
So
it
can
be
done,
but
we
just
got
to
be
to
come
together
as
a
state,
not
just
Frankfurt,
not
just
Lexington,
not
this
little.
We
have
to
come
together
as
a
state
to
make
this
work.
We
have
to
take
that
number
down.
We
need
to
bring
that
number
down
and
how
do
we
do
that?
We
come
together.
H
We
put
one
in
every
city
in
Kentucky,
we
need
funding,
we
have
the
infrastructure,
we
have
the
team,
we
have
the
vision,
but
we
just
don't
have
the
funding,
but
we
also
need
a
Bill
of
Rights,
so
these
kids
can
be
connected
with
their
parents,
because
I'm
I'm
was
just
blessed
that
I
had
two
boys
that
was
able.
The
mother
was
allowed
me
to
be
able
to
keep
that
connection
with
them
and
I
still
had
a
communication.
I
still
had
an
imprint
on
their
life,
and
you
know
sometimes
some
parents
might
not
like
that.
H
The
dad
went
to
prison,
so
the
child
doesn't
and
is
not
able
to
have
that
contact
with
his
dad.
She
did
not
knowing
like
that's
creating
trauma
within
itself,
so
this
is
why
these
kids
need
a
Bill
of
Rights
same
way
like
don't
we
have
a
Bill
of
Rights
for
foster,
kids.
They
they
are
in
the
same
boat.
H
What's
any
different,
so
we
need
to
Bill
of
Rights
for
these
kids,
but
we
also
need
one
George
Robinson
foundation
in
every
city,
every
city
in
Kentucky,
because
it
goes
like
this
and
I'm
a
firm
believer
in
this
dysfunctional
families
create
dysfunctional
I
mean
dysfunctional
dysfunctional
families,
create
dysfunctional
individuals,
dysfunctional
individuals
create
dysfunctional
communities
and
how
we
stopped
from
the
dysfunctional
family.
We
put
the
one
of
those
Robinson
Foundation
there
to
stop
it,
not
saying
we're.
H
C
A
H
A
A
I
Thank
you
chairman.
It's
actually
about
the
Bill
of
Rights
I,
really
like
that
whole
list,
but
a
couple
of
things
that
popped
in
my
mind,
was
wet
or
not.
Oregon
addresses
what
happens
if
what
the
parent
is
being
charged
or
arrested
with
involves
the
child,
for
instance,
the
very
last
bullet
point.
There
I
firmly
believe
in
maintaining
a
healthy
relationship.
No.
H
I
I,
it's
easy
for
me
to
point
to
examples
where
the
kinds
of
charges
or
the
kinds
of
even
if
that
isn't
the
charge,
there
could
be
circumstances
where
the
relationship
with
the
parent
may
not
be
the
best
I've
been
the
guardian
ad
litem
for
the
children
in
cases
where
one
comes
to
mind
where
a
mother
was
given
two
or
three
years
of
chances
and
every
time
she
was
given
another
chance,
she
put
the
children,
In
Harm's
Way
every
single
time,
so
I'm
wondering
if,
if
they
allow
for
that
and
then
secondly
related
to
this,
if
they
put
any
funding
behind
this,
if
you're
aware
of
in
Oregon
from
the
state,
the
reason
I
asked,
that
was
the
one
two
three
four
fifth
bullet
down
to
be
cared
for:
the
absence
of
the
child's
parent.
I
L
Not
aware
of
that
first,
thank
you
for
your
question
and,
and
certainly
each
family
has
their
own
individual
story,
their
own
individual
path
locally.
Just
within
Franklin
County.
We
maintain
very
good
communication
with
our
local
dcbs.
L
So
you
know
those
those
decisions
are
individualized.
L
You
know,
Dale
mentioned
sexual
abuse
or
you
know
other
crimes
that
are
very
concerning,
and
so
we
just
in
our
discussion,
we
are
able
to
look
at
you
know
if
that
child's
in
care
are
the
rights
of
that
parent.
Have
they
been
terminated
and
if
they
have
not
been
terminated,
is
there
any
child
abuse
or
neglect
charge
against
that.
G
I
L
For
every
every
child
that
we
do
any
type
of
visitation
communication
with
all
of
that
is
screened
through
dcbs,
so
we
get
prior
approval
before
we
do
any
of
that.
But
the
conversations
that
we're
having
are
just
really
really
positive.
You
know
our
our
local
office
admits
that
they
can
do
better,
that
you
know
they
lack
resources
within
themselves
to
be
able
to
wrap
support
around
that
child
and
parent
Bond.
You
know
that's
something
that
we've
been
in
discussion
about,
that.
L
H
L
H
K
G
K
Got
a
question:
first,
let
me
start
with
you.
Thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
the
criminal
justice
system
can
break
down
men,
you
refused
to
be
broken.
That's
a
powerful
thing
that
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
people
understand.
10
years
you
came
out,
you
became
an
entrepreneur.
You
stayed
in
contact
with.
A
K
Family
with
your
kids
that
entire
time
that
says
a
lot
about
you
good
Brethren,
the
kind
of
man
that
you
are
that's
important
for
people
to
know
and
understand.
Thank
you
because
you
took
that
experience
and
you're
trying
to
make
lives
better.
You
got
listen.
You
got
a
boy
in
the
NFL,
a
lot
of
dads
who
have
never
had
your
story.
Who
would
kill
for
that
kind
of
situation,
so
you
have
done
fantastic
work
with
the
hand
that
you've
been
dealt.
K
Thank
you
for
what
you've
done
same
thing
with
you
Mom
to
be
the
kind
of
woman
that
has
that
kind
of
strength
to
take
the
two
kids
that
you
have
to
be
able
to
put
all
that
energy
into
this
program
to
raise
them
upright.
They
can't
be
the
great
kids
that
they
are
to
come
in
front
of
this
committee
and
big
old
Frankfort
in
this
room.
Without
a
mother
like
you,
it's
important
that
they
hear
somebody
else
say
that,
because
I
know
you
probably
try
to
let
them
know
in
different
ways.
K
Every
day
now
somebody
else
was
saying
to
you
got
a
great
mom.
Let
me
say
that.
Thank
you
for
doing
that
kind
of
work
and
again
putting
that
energy
into
an
organization
like
this,
because
it's
important
you've
been
doing
it
for
four
years.
A
lot
of
families
lives
have
been
changed
because
of
that
effort.
Now
to
you
all
as
kids
as
young
people,
you
all
have
incredible
talent
in
front
of
you.
K
Like
me,
I
think
that
you
all
could
do
it
I
want
you
all
to
keep
that
in
your
mind
about
what's
possible
for
you,
because
at
some
point
in
time
you
can
be
in
a
position
to
directly
change
and
impact
laws
in
a
way
that
could
impact
positively
your
generation,
my
generation
and
generations
to
come
after
you
all
I
want
you
all
to
remember
that
and
think
about
that
what's
possible
for
you
on
this
side.
The
one
issue
I'll
take
with
you
is
that
you
went
to
Franklin
County
I
went
to
Western
Hills.
K
That's
that's
the
one
issue,
that's
the
one
issue
that
you
got
some
inside
Frankfurt
stuff
there,
okay
question
for
you
Amy!
Well,
before
I
get
there
commission
resources
I!
Think
what
we
could
do,
part
of
what
our
job
is,
is
to
put
together
studies
that
could
be
beneficial.
What
a
type
of
studies,
a
literature
review,
basically
other
resources
that
could
be
available
for
this
particular
field.
K
I
think
it
might
be
appropriate
for
the
commission
to
try
to
find
an
additional
grant
opportunities
that
might
make
sense
for
the
Wanda
Joyce
Robinson
Foundation,
whether
it
is
in
state
government
or
just
outside
in
the
private
sector
that
you
all
could
use
to
be
beneficial
for
the
work
that
you're
trying
to
do
to
expand.
The
legislature
obviously
will
have
important
questions
to
make
on
on
this
type
of
thing:
a
Bill
of
Rights,
but
there
is
private
funding
out
there
or
already
appropriated
state
and
federal
government
funding.
K
So
it
may
be
beneficial
for
this
commission
to
put
together
a
study
of
what
those
resources
could
be
to
be
useful
to
you,
which
then
goes
to
my
question.
What
how
much
money
do
you
think
you
would
need
in
order
to
get
that
dream
of
a
of
a
Statewide
entity,
or
at
least
a
network
of
entities
in
each
City?
What
is
that
resource
like
so.
H
L
H
L
Put
that
type
of
information
on
paper
are
y'all
shaking
back
there,
but
we
are.
We
are
certainly
up
to
that.
I
mean
that's
the
vision
that
we
have,
particularly
with
Crush.
You
know
it
was
an
elementary
guidance,
school
counselor
and
a
special
ed
teacher
who
worked
for
wrestle.
They
continue
to
work
for
Russell
Independent
Schools.
They
were
visiting
their
loved
one
in
their
County
Jail,
one
of
them
one
of
their
mothers
is
in
and
out
her
entire
life
and
another
woman.
L
It
was
her
son
who
was
incarcerated,
and
so
when
they
were
there
just
having
the
heart
of
an
educator
and
seeing
their
children
their
their
students
and
trying
to
visit
their
parents,
they
thought
you
know
gosh.
We
need
to
meet
with
our
kids
and
that's
very
organically,
just
how
it
started
five
years
ago
and
so
I.
After
their
first
year
of
the
program,
there
was
just
a
little
article
written
up
in
the
Kentucky
educator
electronic
newsletter
and
I.
L
Read
it
I
immediately
called
them
and
said
I
need
you
all
to
come
to
Frankfort
and
train
some
of
our
teachers,
because
we're
working
with
you
know
we're
a
startup
non-profit.
We
have
over
400,
kids
and
no
staff.
What
do
we
do?
We
and
I
work
for
our
school
district?
So,
let's,
let's
take
it
to
our
to
our
where
rubber
meets
the
road
with
our
kids
and
so.
But
then,
when
you
look
at
that
type
of
information
that
it's
11
of
your
school
or
12
13,
you
know
800,
kids.
L
What
how
do
we
really
make
that
happen?
So
we
would
certainly
welcome
any
resources
discussion
to
be
able
to
look
at
implementing
a
Statewide
Crush
program
over
the
summer.
Actually
nariah
and
her
mother
went
with
me
to
the
Kentucky
Association
of
school
administrators
conference.
So
all
all
you
know,
superintendents
across
the
state
were
present
and
and
out
of
that
several
districts.
L
You
know
several
of
them
have
been
trained
through
covet,
but
then
just
the
implementation
hadn't
happened
and
so
we're
I'm
we're
getting
calls
and
emails
every
day
for
school
districts.
Wanting
that
type
of
support.
Well,
I
work
a
full-time
job
in
my
own
School
District.
So
we
don't
have
that
type
of
support.
Christy
and
Jelena
work
a
full-time
job.
They
don't
have.
L
A
Mr
chairman
we're
on
the
edge
of
parochialism
here,
so,
let's,
let's
rain
ourselves
in
just
a
little.
This
has
been
a
great
committee
meeting.
Thank
you
all
for
your
your
testimony.
I
would
encourage
all
committee
members
in
the
packet
is
a
a
nice
product
that
they've
put
together
their
strategic
plan,
and
if
you
look
in
at
that
strategic
plan
for
Dr
olaika,
you
ask
about
budget
toward
the
end.
I
think
about
three
pages.
From
the
very
end,
they've
got
an
elaborate
budget,
well
laid
out
details
about
the
programming
they
do.
A
Mental
administrative
costs
wonderfully
well
done.
I
also
want
to
compliment
you
all
on
the
board
that
you
got
together.
You've
got
a
broad,
a
broad
group
of
stakeholders
that
are
actively
engaged,
I,
see,
attorneys,
I,
see
school
members,
School
leaders,
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice,
AOC
dcbs,
kudos
to
the
work
that
you're
doing
very
intentionally
with
a
goal
in
mind
and
keep
up
that
great
work
committee.
Thank
you
for
your
presence
here
today.
H
B
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
just
a
question.
I
was
thinking
that
your
son
did
graduate
from
Western
Hills,
and
so
that's
that's
important,
but
I
want
to
know
who
is
Wanda.
Joyce
Robinson.
She
happened
to
be
your
mother.
Yes,.
H
I
Wanda
George
Robinson
is
my
mother.
We
named
it
after
her
well
I'm.
Well,
we
all
came
up
with
it
because
she
used
to
work
at
Kentucky,
State,
University
and
some
kids
would
come
to
school
and
they
only
had
money
for
like
room
and
books,
but
they'd
have
money
for
food,
so
she
would
still
feed
them
regardless
if
they
have
money
or
not
and
like
she
basically
put
her
job
online
to
make
sure
the
kids
was.
H
B
H
B
And
yeah
black
moms
mothers
of
black
kids
have
a
way
I.
Remember
my
mother.
I
never
was
able
to
name
something
for
her
or
put
something
in
place,
but.