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A
A
Here
this
morning,
we're
going
to
hear
from
representatives
from
the
department
of
corrections
here
to
provide
an
update
regarding
the
strategic
master
plan
for
correctional
facilities,
for
which
the
general
assembly,
I
believe,
appropriated
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
do.
This
study
with
us
today
are
randy
white
deputy
commissioner
and
hillary
daily
deputy
commissioner.
C
C
C
So
basically,
what
I've
done
is
walk
through
each
facility,
myself
with
the
chief
engineer
and
with
the
maintenance
branch
manager
and
we've
taken
a
look,
an
in-depth
look
at
the
maintenance
needs
of
each
one
of
our
facilities
so
that
we
can
decide
what
is
going
to
need
studies.
What
we
can
enact
a
project
for
sooner
than
later,
and
and
what
we're
looking
at
is
significant
studies
and
significant
projects
over
the
next
two
years.
C
All
of
that
work
will
be
reflected
in
the
strategic
plan
that
we
submit
to
you,
and
the
the
projects
that
we
have
to
set
up
could
include
security,
electronics
for
the
prisons,
replacement
of
hvac
systems,
boilers,
steam
pipes,
it
runs
the
gamut
and
again
we
have
12
prisons
that
are
that
are
state
operated
and
state
funded.
Two
of
our
prisons
are
private
owned
prisons.
One
we
operate
one
core
civic
operates,
we're
not
so
much
worried
about
that
they
take
care
of
their
their
maintenance
needs
and
their
their
funding
for
capital
needs
within
those
prisons.
C
C
Some
systems
are
are
well
beyond
their
lifespan
or
they're
approaching
their
lifespan.
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
establish
mapping
for
roofs,
hvac
systems,
boilers,
security,
electronics,
all
those
things
that
make
up
a
prison
by
the
mapping
process.
Hopefully
we
can
stay
ahead
and
we
can
anticipate
the
end
of
a
life
span
for
a
system
and
as
that
system
approaches
its
lifespan,
we
can
avoid
putting
money
into
and
funds
into
an
aging
system.
C
C
An
additional
step
that
we
we
are
taking
is
to
consider
adding
additional
positions
to
our
capital.
Construction
branch,
with
all
of
the
studies
with
all
of
the
maintenance
needs
that
we're
we're
considering
and
taking
a
look
at
with
the
additional
funding.
Many
many
projects
are
going
to
require
studies
of
our
of
our
facilities.
C
C
Again,
we
do
plan
to
to
complete
the
strategic
planning
document.
The
additional
funding
that
was
approved,
along
with
the
the
strategic
plan
has
been
language,
is
appreciated.
That
funding
will
be
very
useful
as
we
encounter
incidental
expenses
along
the
way
that
that
most
assuredly
will
pop
up
as
as
a
result
of
the
strategic
planning
we
can.
We
can
talk,
maybe
about
some
of
our
facilities,
if
you,
if
you
will,
if
you
want
me
to
speak
about
some
of
our
facilities
or
if
you
have
any
questions
about
the
process.
A
And
just
just
one
quick
question:
how
much
was
that
capital,
construction
and
extra
capital
construction
appropriation.
A
C
We,
what
we
are
looking
at
is
is
using
a
hundred
thousand,
maybe
for
formatting,
for
if
we've
identified
a
staff
member
that
we
can
dedicate
to
the
strategic
plan
that
can
go
ahead
and
get
started
on
formatting
that
and
getting
it
into
shape
in
the
in
the
correct
language
in
the
correct
format.
C
For
the
committee,
we
think
that
we
can
use
the
hundred
thousand
for
incidental
expenses,
whether
it
be
printing
costs,
whether
it
be
the
position
to
fund
the
position
to
do
these
things,
because
we
may
have
to
have
an
additional
position
depending
on
the
workload
and
that
that's
what
we
plan
now,
with
the
the
capital
monies,
we
can
use
funds
from
that
allocation
for
studies
for
the
projects
that
we
we
plan
to
to
take
up
within
our
prisons.
A
C
Sir,
yes,
sir,
all
right,
we
can
use
that
for
a
combination
of
the
studies
and
for
the
maintenance
pool,
and
that
was
significantly
needed
and
much
appreciated.
Very
much
appreciated.
E
I've
got
a
couple
of
that's
all
right,
mr
chairman,
you
mentioned
needing
to
hire
experts,
but
you
also
mentioned
there's
an
engineer
within
doc.
What
does
the
engineer
do
if
the
engineer
isn't
able
to?
I
guess
I'm
curious
why
you
need
experts,
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
staff
compliment
the
the
agency
has
in
the
way
of
engineers
and
and
maintenance
folks
within.
C
Our
capital
construction
branch-
we
have
construction
superintendents.
Some
of
those
individuals
may
have
individual
licensures
electricians
plumbers.
We
have
one
architect
on
staff.
We
also
have
one
branch
manager.
That
is
a
certified
engineer,
but
but
that
only
spans
to
an
extent
we
may
have
to
hire
structural
engineers
to
take
a
look
at
structural
problems,
electrical
engineers
on
an
industrial
scale.
C
We
we
may
have
to
to
to
hire
experts
to
take
a
look
at
industrial
hvac
systems,
so
it
just
depends
on
what
the
need
is
and
those
those
staff
within
our
own
internal
capital.
Construction
branch
can
handle
some
of
those
projects.
C
They
can
handle
some
of
the
architectural
workups
of
projects,
some
things
they
can
advise
us
on,
but
some
things
are
simply
out
of
their
scope
and
they're
not
qualified
or
certified.
So
then
we
would.
We
would
have
to
hire
out
an
expert
to
come
in
and
and
to
take
a
look
and
to
advise
us
on
what
the
scope
of
the
project
might
be
and
an
associated
cost
of
the
project.
E
Are
you
going
to
make
as
part
of
the
the
strategic
plan?
Are
you
also
going
to
consider
the
positions
that
you
have
not
just
adding
the
two
that
you
think
you
need
to
complete
this
study
of
your
various
facilities,
but
are
you
making
an
assessment
of
the
positions
that
you've
got
and
whether
or
not
you've
you're
staffed
appropriately
on
the
on
the
construction,
capital,
construction
side
of
the
department.
C
E
C
So
those
projects
will
be
tested
out
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
be
more
efficient
with
the
staff
that
we
do
have
so
that
we
don't
over,
extend
them
because
of
projects
get
off
track.
Then
we
experience
delays,
additional
costs,
we're
going
to
try
to
quantify
within
regions
or
within
type
of
projects.
For
instance,
I
don't
want
to
have
one
staff
member
assigned
to
a
roof
in
western
kentucky.
B
C
Then
traveling
and
trying
to
waste
time
assigned
to
an
hvac
project
in
another
part
of
the
state,
we're
going
to
try
to
regionally
quantify
them
as.
C
So
we're
trying
to
we're
we're
going
to
make
rhyme
and
reason,
and
hopefully
with
adding
additional
staff
we
can.
We
will
be
able
to
attract
some
some
additional
qualifications
and
certifications
from
the
industry
in
the
field.
E
C
C
We
may
have
to
draw
up
a
different
roof
design
to
replace
a
roof,
and
that
particular
that
particular
architect
has
has
saved
considerable
funding
for
us
this
year.
Okay
they've
had
multiple
projects.
E
Fair
enough,
the
last
question
I
had,
if
I
can,
mr
chairman,
thank
you.
You
mentioned
the
total,
but
I
I
didn't
catch.
It
was
22
million
dollars
in
each
year.
The
banyan,
but
I
didn't
know
if
that
covered
everything
on
the
list
or
only
the
most
severe
or-
and
I
don't
know
that
you
spoke
to
this.
But
in
your
strategic
plan,
are
you
categorizing
the
things
that
are
mission,
critical
versus
things
that
are
don't
got
gotta
have,
but
we
wouldn't
mind
having
sort
of
things.
C
That
is
going
to
cover
mission,
critical
hvac,
bowlers
security,
electronics
within
prisons,
the
things
that
open
the
doors
and
the
computer
programs
that
operate
the
doors
and.
E
E
Yes,
is
it
the
same
organization
that
has
them
both
courses
course
having
dwarf
office,
but
the
44
covers
mission
critical
for
the
other
12.
C
It's
going
to
cover
mission,
critical
and
in
my
instructions,
and
what
we
have
discussed
is
what
we
need,
not
necessarily
what
we
want,
but
what
we
need
we
may
have
to,
and
it
can
it
can.
The
projects
can
be
a
wide
array
of
projects
from
painting
a
water
tower
that
is
very
rusty.
At
the
eastern
kentucky
correctional
complex
to
a
new
roof
at
western
kentucky,
maybe
steam
lines.
C
It
is
what
we
feel
could
fail,
what
we
need
to
spend
money
on
now
to
save
maintenance
and
repair
and
upkeep
costs.
Later
we
have
aging
hvac
systems,
aging
boiler
systems,
and
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
take
a
look
at
the
life
span
and
replace
those
before
they.
We
have
a
failure,
a
complete
failure
of
those
systems.
E
Sometime
not
now,
I
know
you're
familiar
with
several
of
the
facilities
personally
familiar
with
several
facilities
within
the
department,
if
not
all
of
them,
but
I'd
I
wouldn't
mind
if
you
all
would
share,
at
least
with
me
by
email,
I'd
like
to
know
the
ages
of
each
of
our
facilities.
C
E
E
A
You
yeah
just
for
the
record
we're
we're
looking
at
the
budget,
along
with
that
22
million
a
year
in
the
maintenance
pool.
There
are
specific
projects
that
are
also
funded.
A
C
We've
been
working
with
the
the
architectural
firm
to
design
the
expansion
of
the
little
sandy
correctional
complex
and
from
from
my
awareness
of
the
project
and
and
the
progression
of
this
project.
Is
that
soon
we'll
be
putting
that
out
for
bid
for
a
construction
firm.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
along
those
lines
and
looking
at
do
we
have
any
that
we're
getting
close
to
the
point
to
where
investing
additional
dollars
is
not
fiscally
responsible
that
facilities
at
the
end
of
the
life
cycle.
C
Currently,
the
kentucky
state
reformatory's
mission
is
being
considered
to
move
to
the
blackburn
correctional
complex
on
the
grounds
of
blackburn
and
we're
looking
at
building
a
new
facility
there
and
and
there's
a
couple
of
different
reasons
for
that
is
to
displace
staffing
vacancy
rates
to
an
area.
We
think
that
we
could
we
could
stay
better
staffed.
C
C
So
we're
looking
at
decommissioning
that
prison
or
or
mothballing
that
prison
or
potentially
reallocating
that
prison
for
a
different
purpose
and
and
that's
no
secret.
Those
plans
are
impressed
in
the
process.
Right
now,
nine
of
our
12
state
prisons
are
over
40
years
old.
Most
significant
is
the
kentucky
state
penitentiary,
which
is
134
years
old.
C
E
You
chairman,
I
eddyville,
is
one
I'm
certainly
most
familiar
with
the
state
pen
there,
but
I'm.
E
I
didn't
know
that
you
all
that's
a
fascinating
bit
of
news
and
I
didn't
realize
that
you
are
were
considering
that.
But
I'm
curious
how
in
the
world
would
you
go
about
doing
that
and
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
the
need
at
some
point
you're
I
mean
you're
100
right,
regardless
of
the
historical
or
sentimental
value
or
whatever.
E
C
The
population
is
is
reduced
at
this
time
we
can.
As
you
know,
I
was
working
that
facility
for
six
years.
Yes,
you
and
I
toured
through
it
when,
when
you
were
in
the
area,
maybe
a
couple
of
times
yeah
and
the
the
population
is
reduced
from
914
inmates
to
around
around
450
500
inmates,
wow
and
and
the
reason
for
that
is
the
vacancy
rate
in
the
west.
So
we've
in
order
to
be
safe,
we've
matched
the
inmate
population
with
the
staffing
numbers
that
are
available.
C
C
However,
we
have
some
maintenance
needs
there,
and
we've
had
to
to
open
up
some
beds
in
certain
living
areas
to
take
care
of
those
maintenance
needs,
and
so
right
now,
in
that
particular
facility,
we're
about
half
the
population
that
we
would
ordinarily
be
in
in
its
to
take
care
of
maintenance
needs
and
to
be
safe
within
that
region.
A
D
It's
slowly
growing.
Today
we
had
just
over
19
000,
just
over
10
000
in
the
prisons
and
about
a
little
over
9
900
in
the
county
jails.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
forgive
me
if
I
ask
something
they're
doing
actually
something
that
relates
to
you
guys,
compensation
survey,
stuff
next
door
that
clearly
you
guys
are
struggling
with
your
prison
guard
issues.
Right
now,
and
I
appreciate
your
look
at
this,
could
you
give
us
a
bit
of
an
idea
if
you've
already
given
this
to
the
committee
I'll
get
it
from
staff?
Obviously,
oldham
county
we've
got
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
with
trying
to
get
the
medical
facility
moved
and
eventually
make
a
transition
plan
there.
C
Currently
we're
in
the
process.
As
I
stated
of
designing
that
facility
soon,
it
will
go
out
for
bid.
The
bed
count
will
be
approximately
400
beds
and
it
the
that
facility
will
will
keep
the
same
mission
as
the
kentucky
state
reformatory.
C
C
By
being
closer,
we
we
hope
to
cut
down
on
transportation
costs
and
have
a
better
relationship
and
enhance
relationship
with
the
university
of
kentucky
and
and
provide
enhanced
medical
care
for
the
inmates.
The
population
we
would
house
geriatric
nurse
care
facility,
severe
mental
health
needs,
dialysis
patients
and
and
that
facility
would
focus
on
transitional
care.
So,
for
instance,
if
an
inmate
needed
a
serious
surgery
available
in
the
region,
we
would
transfer
that
offender
there.
C
We
would
take
care
of
them,
provide
rehabilitative
therapy
and
then
they
would
be
transferred
out
once
they're
able
to
back
to
another
facility.
So
we
would,
it
would
be
a
temporary
housing
assignment
for
them.
And
again,
a
newer,
more
modern
facility
is,
is
going
to
enhance
the
healing
it's
going
to
enhance
the
metal,
the
mental
health.
C
C
Once
we
we
begin
construction,
then
we'll
start
working
on
a
transition
plan,
but
most
assuredly
we
would
find
jobs
for
the
staff
members
at
the
reformatory
that
wish
to
stay
employed
because
we've
got
three
of
the
prisons
in
the
area,
one
in
shelby,
county
and
two
more
prisons
in
oldham
county.
It
would
be
a
significant
priority
to
the
department
to
find
employment
for
those
staff.
Members.
F
If
I
may,
mr
chairman-
and
I
just
I
wanted
to
make
mention
of
one
more
thing,
if
you
just
kind
of
file
in
the
back
of
your
mind,
I
would
like
to
talk.
We
can
make
this
beginning
of
next
year.
I
think
that
we,
you
know
in
working
with
the
governor's
office,
we
went
pretty
much
and
funded
most
of
what
corrections
was
looking
for
in
terms
of
changing
the
physical
infrastructure,
we're
working
on
the
pay
scale
portion,
and
it's
nice
that
this
works
out
well
for
the
offenders.
F
My
my
bigger
concern
is,
I
want
to
make
sure
we've
got
a
good
environment,
for
I
mean
as
good
as
an
environment,
as
can
be
for
the
folks
that
work
there.
It's
never
going
to
be
completely
pleasant,
you're
going
to
deal
with
a
lot
of
issues,
but
I'd
like
to
talk
when
we
get
into
session.
You
know
february.
Let's
talk
about
this
is
where
we're
at
exactly
and
kind
of.
I
I
think
we
test
you
guys,
maybe
with
an
overall
overhaul
of
the
entire
system,
it's
not
going
to
be
cheap.
I
recognize
that.
F
I
think
we
all
recognize
that,
but
it's
necessary
for
a
combination
of
demographic
reasons
as
well
as
corrections
reasons
and,
and
so
let's
just
have
that
conversation
early
next
year,
so
that
we
can
start
thinking
about
the
next
budget
cycle
after
that
rationally
and
move
forward.
C
Part
of
our
discussions
in
the
architectural
build
up
of
this
facility
is
colors
amenities
for
staff
having
a
much
better
environment,
a
place
where
staff
would
want
to
work
and
would
want
to
be
employed,
and
that
was
a
priority
consideration
in
our
discussions.
So
it's
a
good
point.
Thank
you.
F
And
that's
the
physical
portion,
but
the
other
portion
is
clearly
the
the
employees
and
making
sure
that
we've
got
the
staffing
levels
is
appropriate.
I'd
hate
for
us
to
end
up
with
a
bad
situation.
You
know,
and
so
just
I
don't
want
to
let
the
financial
tail
wag
the
operational
dog
too
much
on
this
one
understood.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
D
Carol.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
We've
had
a
lot
of
discussions
over
recent
years
with
the
vocational
programs
within
the
prison
system.
Any
of
this
funding
going
to
be
going
towards
expanding
or
new
programs
within
any
of
the
the
prisons
throughout
the
commonwealth.
D
The
capital
funding
most
likely
not
unless
there
are
areas
where
we
can
expand
and
improve
upon
the
physical
infrastructure
for
the
programming
space
but
programming,
is
in
vocational
programs
is
well
a
high
priority
for
our
department
and
we
have
dedicated
budget
funds
for
both
educational
and
evidence-based
programming.
Okay,
now
do
we
have
like
a
separate
large
facilities
at
any
of
the
prisons
that
are
vocationally,
based
that
that's
their
sole
purpose
that
we've
built
in
the
last
several
years,
or
we
just
integrated
smaller
programs
within
existing
facilities.
C
Mostly,
we've
integrated
smaller
programs
in
some
of
the
facilities,
but
most
recently,
we've
have
had
some
success
with
public
private
partnership,
which
doesn't
necessarily
cost
a
lot
of
money
with
ecammie
if
you're
familiar.
If
not,
I
can
explain
the
eastern
kentucky
applied
manufacturing
institute
through
grant
funding
from
for
kathy
walker
in
eastern
kentucky
and
through
abandoned
mine
lands,
grant
funding
that
she
has
secured
we're
able
to
build
a
state
of
the
art
facility
on
grounds
at
eastern
kentucky
correctional
complex.
C
C
It
costs
the
department
of
corrections,
nothing
as
as
reported
currently
up
in
paintsville.
There's
an
ecammie
facility
that
that's
been
in
operation
for
quite
some
time
and
employers.
They
they
have
a
100
percent
employment
rate
for
their
students.
Out
of
that
vocational
school
and
again
it's
very,
very
technical.
The
jobs
are
in
high
demand,
the
salaries
are
very
meaningful,
high
salaries
and
and
we
can
have
in
essence,
offenders
ready
for
employment
before
they
leave
prisons,
matched
up
with
potential
employers.
C
One
additional
benefit
that
we're
starting
to
see
from
the
pi
program:
prison
industry
enhancement.
C
It
took
a
while
to
get
traction
with
prison
industry
enhancement
and
I
think
cove
would
set
us
back
just
a
little
bit,
but
we're
we're
currently
seeing
some
success
with
an
upholstery
in
a
car
restoration
outfit
in
the
women's
prison
kciw,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
more
organizations,
that's
interested
in
pi
programs
through
correctional
industries,
and
we
can
take
a
look
at
apprenticeship,
get
in
traction
with
apprenticeship
programs
through
those
pi
programs
and
in
essence,
the
inmates
get
on
the
job
training
with
those
programs,
and
they
can
have
an
employer
waiting
on
them
whenever
they
they
finish
their
sentence
within
the
prison
system.
B
C
C
We've
recently
taken
a
look
at
some
of
the
some
of
the
hvac
systems,
some
of
the
boiler
systems
there,
while
some
of
them
are
modern,
they
haven't
been
operating
appropriately
and
we've
commissioned
a
study
for
the
computer
systems
and
some
of
those
buildings
and
also
we've
made
a
significant
purchase
and
order
of
additional
hvac
systems
to
go
in
in
some
of
the
buildings
within
those
prisons.
C
Our
plans
are
to
keep
that
prison
operational.
It's
a
very
well-run
prison
and-
and
I
was
just
through
there
about
a
week
ago
and
walked
their
prison
and
spent
considerable
time
there.
Taking
a
look
at
the
systems
and
the
grounds
is
there
any
additional
information
that
you
would
like
about
that
prison?
No.
B
A
C
The
the
primary
systems
we're
looking
at
maybe
a
system,
or
it
may
be
a
physical,
a
physical
plant
component.
Most
most
often
we
look
at
roofs.
C
We
got
a
lot
of
roofs
within
the
prison
systems
and
where
some
of
those
roofs
are
getting
some
age
on
them.
We've
we've
had
some
some
recent
support
with
the
eastern
kentucky
correctional
complex,
and
I
think
that
prison
has
a
new
roof
on
every
building
there.
But
there's
other
needs
around
the
department
and
it's
better
to
to
understand
the
life
span
and
the
warranty
of
that
roof
and
and
to
anticipate
problems
before
we
get
into
leakage,
repairs
black
mold.
So
we
want
to
map
those
roofs.
C
Other
systems
would
include
security,
electronics,
the
components
that
opened
the
doors,
computer
systems
25
or
30
years
ago.
They
may
have
been
state
of
the
art,
but
those
those
firms,
those
organizations,
those
companies
they
come
and
they
go.
They
change
ownership.
They
go
out
of
business.
What
we're
finding
out
is
we'll
have
a
good
life
span
out
of
that
out
of
that
security
electronic
system,
but
30
years
later
you
can't
get
parts
for
them
and
nobody's
manufacturing
parts.
C
C
I
think
it's
going
to
be
100
degrees
today
outside
and
we
want
to
anticipate
problems
if
an
hvac
system,
whether
industrial
or
some
residential
within
the
prisons,
if
they're
approaching
25
30
years
old,
we
might
as
well
go
ahead
and
replace
them
rather
than
pour
money
into
those
systems
and
risk
failure,
steam
lines
and
boilers.
Those
are
other
systems,
and
when
we
talk
about
heating
or
or
hvac
systems,
it
actually
comprises
a
couple
of
components.
C
Computer
systems
that
controls
it
as
those
systems
are
married
into
the
fire,
evacuation
and
smokey
vac
systems,
the
the
chiller
or
the
heater
or
the
boiler
itself.
C
In
addition
to
the
ductwork
that
carries
the
the
heat
and
cooling
cooled
air
out
to
the
unit,
so
there's
actually
three
parts
with
take
a
look
at
and-
and
we
want
to
understand
the
the
age
and
get
a
a
good
assessment
of
where
we
are
once
we
know
where
we
are,
then
we
can
better
predict
what
the
cost
and
the
schedule
for
replacement
is
going
to
be
going
forward.
A
Sounds
like
a
very
prudent
program.
Do
members
have
any
other
questions,
senator
carroll.
D
Touched
a
little
bit
on
the
the
staffing
aspect
where,
as
far
as
being
fully
staffed
in
relation
to
the
numbers
of
inmates,
now,
where
are
we
are
we
still
critically
low?
Are
we
still
having
to
use
probation
parole
officers
to
supplement,
or
where
are
we
at
this
point.
C
The
answer
to
that
is
yesterday
we're
still,
we
still
have
considerable
vacancies,
and-
and
it
varies
by
region,
we
have
seen
some
recent
significant
hiring
within
the
eastern
region.
I
think
that
I
went
to
the
graduation
last
friday
in
the
eastern
region.
We
had
70
officers
in
that
in
that
academy,
however,
in
the
western
region
the
dynamics
are
different,
the
region
is
different,
the
variables
affecting
the
prisons
are
different,
so
we
still
have
some
high
vacancy
rates
so
we're
using
non-security
staff
to
fill
security
post.
C
It
is
causing
overtime
and
we
are
using
probation
and
pro
officers.
We
have
an
excellent
partnership
with
probation
and
parole
and
we're
using
those
officers
to
help
us
and
to
augment
augment
staffing
and
to
stay
safe
within
our
prisons.
D
What
are
the,
what
is
the
corrections
doing
to?
As
far
as
recruiting
I
mean,
what
what
tools
do
you
use
to
recruit
prison
guards?
I
know
from
law
having
a
law
enforcement
background.
It's
you
know
the
there
are
lots
of
aspects
of
law
enforcement
that
you
you
can
highlight
that
that
are
helpful,
recruiting
tools.
What
do
you
all
utilize
are
you?
Are
you
trying
to
reach
down
even
into
the
high
schools
to
to
educate
younger
people
about
those
careers.
C
We
we
rely
heavily
in
the
west,
with
job
fairs,
at
fort
campbell
and
and
to
some
degree
fort
knox,
as
well
with
soldiers
that
are
getting
out
of
the
military.
We've
had
some
luck,
attracting
very
good
staff
members.
We
we
have
to
go
and
try
to
find
where
the
young
people
are.
They
don't
necessarily
read
the
newspapers,
they
aren't.
They
are
on
social
media
and
there
are
some
techniques
and
you
have
to
be
timely
and
catch
their
attention.
C
There's
been
some
techniques
and
success
with
tapping
into
social
media
with
different
sides.
We've
we've
put
up
billboards.
We
have
staff
members
whose
sole
duty
is
to
travel
around
and
hit
job
fairs
and
go
to
certain
organizations
to
to
encounter
the
staff
and
to
talk
with
them
and
to
discuss
employment,
so
we're
beating
the
bushes
and
we're
doing
all.
We
can
any
any
opportunity
that
we
can
try
and
find.
C
Even
the
wardens
are
going
out
to
different
areas,
to
try
to
recruit
staff
and
and
to
get
them
in
and
and
we've
had
some
success.
The
trick
is
to
keep
them
once
we
get
them.
The
trick
is
to
is
to
is
to
keep
them
within
the
prisons
and
and
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
satisfactory
and
a
safe
job.