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A
A
I'll
channel
my
president
biden
here,
I've
been
instructed
to
say
a
few
words
so
good
morning.
Welcome
to
the
fourth
meeting
of
the
budget
review
subcommittee
on
economic
development,
tourism
and
environmental
protection.
A
few
reminders
of
new
meeting
protocols
due
to
continuing
issues
related
to
covet
19.
A
B
A
We
don't
have
enough
for
a
quorum,
so
we
will
not
be
taking
up
approval
of
the
minutes
for
our
fourth
meeting
presentations
today
will
be
from
the
kentucky
communications
network,
the
open
fiber
and
the
office
of
the
budget
director
and
the
louisville
botanical
gardens
we'll
get
started
with
the
kentucky
communications
network
authority,
and
this
morning
we
have
several
different
presenters.
So
please
keep
in
mind
that
we
need
to
be
somewhat
brief
here.
A
First,
we're
going
to
hear
from
executive
director
mike
hayden
from
knca
slash,
kentucky
wired
to
those
who
are
presenting.
Please
identity,
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
As
you
begin
your
testimony
and
I'm
asking
members
to.
Please
hold
your
questions
until
after
the
presentations
we
will
be
swearing
in
our
member
or
our
presenters.
So
let's
get
started.
Mr
hayden.
Are
you
on?
A
E
I
do
let
me
introduce
with
us
today
is
mitch
powers
will
be
presenting
the
network
updates
with
kcna
kentucky.
We
also
have
doug
hendricks,
our
general
counsel
online
with
us.
Steve
murphy
is
our
chief
financial
officer
along
with
us,
and
we
have
some
of
our
other
staff.
That's
participating
to
take
notes,
and
otherwise
thank.
A
Okay,
thank
you
to
those
folks
who
are
presenting.
Would
you
please
please
raise
your
right
hand.
F
F
Yes,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
an
update
on
the
kentucky
wired
construction.
Fiber
construction
for
the
network
is
nearing
completion
in
all
rings.
F
We
do
have
four
small
gaps
in
ring
four
in
western
kentucky,
but
the
remainder
of
the
network
in
the
entire
state,
98
percent
of
all
of
the
fiber,
is
installed
and
complete.
F
We
are
working
on
the
gaps
in
ring
four
right
now
we
have
a
small
gap,
just
south
west
of
louisville
that
we're
working
to
close
as
well
as
two
additional
gaps
coming
out
of
one
is
between
paducah
and
princeton,
and
the
other
one
is
down
murray
to
hopkinsville,
and
we
have
contractors
actively
working
to
get
those
fiber
gaps
complete
now
the
replacement
project
for
the
telecommunications
shelters
or
the
huts
is
nearing
completion.
We
have
16
of
the
20
telecommunications
shelters
replaced
and
on
the
ground.
F
F
Today,
migrations
begin
in
ring
five,
which
is
the
northern
portion
of
eastern
kentucky
on
october
5th
or
the
week
after
next,
and
then
we
will
move
into
rings,
one
b
and
two,
which
those
rings
cover
the
remainder
of
eastern
kentucky
from
there
we'll
move
into
central
kentucky
and
then
back
over
to
western
kentucky,
obviously
allowing
time
to
complete
those
fiber
construction
gaps
before
we
get
there
with
migrations.
Our
current
schedule
has
all
877
agencies
scheduled
to
migrate
being
migrated
onto
the
network
in
first
quarter
of
2022.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Just
real
quick
ring
four
not
completed.
What's
the
particular
reasons
why
it
has
not
been
completed
yet.
F
Yeah
we
have
a
couple:
we've
got
one:
a
small
seven
mile
gap
that
we're
working
on
the
final
permitting
crossing
fort
knox
kentucky,
so
we're
working
to
finalize
that
now
and
then
we
originally
had
four
gaps
in
the
construction
in
ring.
Four
two
of
those
we
have
completed
the
other
two.
It's
just
a
matter
of
we
you
know
again.
We
have
contractors
working
but
just
a
matter.
They
have
not
closed
those
gaps
completely
with
the
fiber.
Yet,
okay,.
D
I
understand
fort
knox
and
over
in
west
kentucky
the
gaps
that
remain
is
that
was
that
ring
the
last
one
scheduled
to
be
completed.
It
was
last
on
the
list.
F
It
was
ring,
four
was,
was
our
last
ring
to
complete
and
with
some
gaps
in
that
you
know
that
we
knew
coming
in
that
we
needed
to
to
get
constructed.
But
again
it
will
be
the
last
one
completed
yeah.
D
F
By
the
end
of
this
calendar
year,
yes,
it
is
scheduled
to
be
complete.
Yes,
the
the
mileage
left.
We
have
again
one
seven
mile
gap
in
fort
knox.
We
have
approximately
20
miles
left
of
hopkinsville
and
murray,
so
most
of
that
is
complete
and
they
have
35
miles
left,
but
we
go
back
toward
princeton.
So
all
total
of
the
3
300
miles
we've
got
75
miles
left
to
get
completed.
D
Mr
chairman,
may
I
follow
up
on
a
different
topic.
Real
quick,
certainly
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
mentioned
migration
of
certain
entities
onto
the
onto
the
service
rings.
Can
you
just
explain
that
a
little
what
it
is
who
is
being
migrated
was
that
the
original
plan
has
it
changed
since
the
original
plan
and
and
what's
the
end
goal
of
how
many
people
or
or
how
complete,
are
you
wanting
to
be
on
migrations.
F
Yes,
so
that
plan
has
not
changed
significantly
since
beginning,
so
there
are
877
agency
locations
slated
to
migrate.
F
The
vast
majority
of
those
670
of
them
are
executive
branch
agencies,
so
that
is
your
your
county
clerks
your
dcbs
offices,
all
those
offices
supported
by
the
executive
branch
today,
the
remaining
200
is
a
mix
of
the
public
university
sites
across
the
state.
D
Thank
you
from
the
original
intended
universe
of
migrating
entities.
You
said
there
was
no
significant
change
from
that.
What
changes
were
made?
What
was
added
on
or
or
deducted
from
it.
F
D
A
Thank
you
and,
of
course,
along
with
the
migrations.
How
many
univers
are
all
colleges
and
universities
scheduled
to
be
migrated?
Are
there
any,
maybe
an
easier
way
to
say
it
is?
Are
there
any
that
won't
be
attached.
F
Right
now,
the
the
eight
public
universities
are
scheduled
to
migrate.
We
currently
do
not
have
the
private
universities
in
scope
to
migrate
to
the
network,
but
all
of
the
public
university
locations
are
scheduled
to
migrate.
F
I
believe
open
fiber
is
presenting
next
for
for
the
network
for
the
government
agencies.
Obviously
you
know
we
are
taking
over
services
that
you
know
another
provider
has
today,
as
we
pick
up
those
local
agencies.
B
Okay,
this
is
steve
murphy
construct
construction
spend
through
june,
which
is
the
most
recent
quarter,
and
there
has
not
been
a
lot
of
spend
since
then,
so
these
are
relatively
up
to
date.
I
can
get
you
the
perfect
numbers
next
week
when
the
quarter
ends,
but
the
construction
spent
through
june
db
and
third
parties
about
291
million
25.3
million
on
equipment,
and
then
the
settlement
was
93
million,
so
those
together
comes
to
407.
A
All
right
total
of
407.,
how
much
more
do
you
anticipate
to.
B
Very
little
left
to
spend
on
construction,
possibly
10
million
from
our
remaining
project.
Funds
on
non-recurring.
A
A
Do
you
know
if
anybody's
other,
open,
fiber
or
anybody
or
maybe
I
should
ask
them-
are
attempting
to
get
full
attachment
agreements.
A
E
The
the
general
robot
which
we've
experienced
most
recently
in
ring
four,
is
the
availability
of
fiber
itself.
Fiber
optic
cables
with
the
you
know,
significant
uptick
in
broadband
requirements
across
the
nation
and
internationally.
E
A
With
the
the
shortages
to
which
you
alluded,
do
you
you
don't
foresee
that
them
that
they
will
last
too
long
to
be
able
to
complete
work
by
december
31st.
E
E
We
have
a
parallel
meeting
that
we
already
had
previously
scheduled
our
kentucky
kcna
advisory
group
meeting,
which
is
you
know,
legislatively
put
in
place.
That
meeting
starts
at
9.
mitch
is
going
to
leave
that
meeting
and
the
rest
of
us
from
kcna
will
remain
with
this
committee.
Okay,.
A
How,
in
the
meeting
that
you
referenced,
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
there
and
from
what
organizations.
E
E
I
was
going
to
ask
doug:
I
don't
have
accounting
from
25
to
30
people
yeah.
If
I
can
speak
briefly
to
it,.
B
It's
set
up
by
statute
and
there
are
some
members
that
requested
to
be
added
and
we
can
get
you
a
complete
list
of
who
all's
there
and
actually
who
attended
this
meeting.
We
can
let
you
know
that
when
that's
over.
A
E
Action
plans
to
provide
an
update
based
on
kind
of
the
broadband
basis
within
kentucky,
so
we're,
including
a
federal
update,
there'll,
be
an
update
on
the
federal
activities.
B
Of
broadband
and-
and
I
think
the
of
the
state-
the
kia-
not
the
kia,
but
I
can't
remember
who's.
The
other
person
is
mike.
A
Would
you
be
kind
enough
to
provide
me
after
the
meeting
a
summary
of
what
took
place
and
you
can
just
send
it
to
the
lrc
staff
and
we
can
get
that
to
all
members
of
the
committee.
E
A
Okay,
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
issue
of
getting
fiber.
How
many,
where,
where
have
the
orders
been
placed?
Are
they
american
companies
any
in
kentucky
specifically,
are
you
having
to
go
overseas
for
that.
E
D
Yes,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
very
much
regarding
the
finances.
I
understood
291
million
plus
some
and
there
was
a
settlement
mentioned,
and
I
think
I
think
I
know
what's
being
referenced,
but
would
somebody
help
me
with
about
two
or
three
sentences
about
the
settlement?
What
was
it
based
up
on?
Who
was
the
suing
party
and
what
was
the
amount
of
the
settlement
and
how
it's
being
paid,
whether
it's
one
lump
or
over
time.
E
E
Our
contractor
at
that
point
in
time
felt
that,
because
of
the
delays
in
acquiring
those
that
they
would
do
some
money
because
of
the
additional
time
and
scope
that
they
had
to
intake
the
total
as
steve
referenced
before
was
93
million,
it
was
paid
out
on
a
construction
draw
basis.
So,
as
they
completed
work,
the
93
was
paid
consistent
with
you
know
the
other
construction
elements
of
the
network.
D
Thank
you
very
much
also
to
follow
up
on
chairman
beckler's
question
about
more
money
that
may
be
requested.
The
and
the
regular
operating
cost
was
mentioned.
Let
me
boil
that
question
down
to
what
would
the
anticipated
budget
request
be
for
the
next
two
physical
years.
E
A
Are
there
any
other
members
remote
who
might
have
a
question.
A
Silence
is
almost
deafening:
okay,
mr
hayden,
mr
powers,
etc.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
A
G
A
G
G
By
way
of
background,
I've
got
over
38
years,
almost
40
years
of
experience
in
the
telecom
industry,
but
only
very
recent
engagement
with
open
fiber
in
the
kentucky
wired
project.
In
my
most
recent
previous
roles,
I
brand
network
operations
at
both
sprint
and
time
warner
cable.
So
I've
been
in
the
wire
line
in
wireless
and
cable
industries.
G
I
joined
excel
com
just
a
year
ago,
so
I
apologize
in
advance
that
these
comments
sound,
like
they're,
coming
from
a
newcomer
with
an
operations
slant,
but
those
are
my
influences,
I'm
also
new
to
kentucky
in
the
last
year
and
will
report
that
I'm
very
much
enjoying
living
and
working
in
the
commonwealth.
So
thanks
again
for
having
me
in
this
presentation,
I
want
to
give
you
at
least
a
high
level
view
of
how
we
at
excel
com,
are
approaching
our
responsibilities.
G
In
the
last
year,
I
think
everyone
has
understood
the
importance
of
broadband
availability.
There's
no
argument
that
robust
broadband
is
a
key
factor
for
economic
development
and
job
creation.
There's
lots
of
parallels
that
can
be
drawn
between
broadband
and
critical
infrastructure
as
a
critical
infrastructure
and
history
changing
critical
infrastructure
projects
in
the
past.
You
know
rural
electrification
comes
to
mind.
I
like
to
use
the
interstate
highway
system
I'll
come
back
to
that
as
a
good
analogy
along
the
way
we
I
will
say
up
front
at
excel.
G
G
We
are
working
right
now
on
building
our
part
of
this
state-of-the-art
broadband
network
that
covers
every
county
in
the
commonwealth,
which
I
will
speak
to
in
probably
too
much
detail,
but
quickly
in
the
next
couple
slides
and
we
are
working
every
day
within
the
construct
and
framework
of
the
wholesale
agreement
that
we
signed
with
the
commonwealth.
That
dictates,
most
importantly,
that
our
success
is,
in
fact
the
commonwealth
success.
G
So
you
are
all
familiar
with
this
slide
of
the
kentucky
wired
network
is
to
all
120
counties,
important
to
note
that
the
routes,
I
think,
were
more
or
less
optimized
to
service
the
state
agencies,
because
obviously
you
build
the
network
to
where
the
folks
you're
trying
to
serve
exist.
So
that's
what
she
ended
up
with.
G
I
won't
try
to
explain
this
slide
except
to
say,
excel.
Com
uses
the
commonwealth
fiber
to
deliver
a
very
high
capacity
broadband
network
that
is
super
redundant.
That's
what
all
the
multiple
connections
to
multiple
points
are.
It's
super
reliable
state
of
the
art,
because
all
the
equipment
is
brand
new
and
unique
in
that
it
serves
the
entire
commonwealth.
G
So
this
is
a
picture
of
our
broadband
interstate
and
in
many
locations
it
replaced
narrow
band
country,
roads
and
lanes
and
in
some
cases,
no
no
roads
at
all
and
at
the
risk
of
boring
you
for
one
more.
Second,
this
slide
says
that
our
middle
mile
network
provides
service
levels
that
are
comparable
to
or
exceed
service
levels
of
the
largest
carrier.
So
the
traffic
on
the
interstate
really
moves.
There
are
no
traffic
jams
so
to
get
to
the
point,
what
is
excel
come
up
to.
G
First
and
foremost,
we
are
partnering
with
a
broad
range
of
partners
and
other
agencies
in
kentucky
to
help
them
build
the
off-ramps
from
the
interstate
to
serve
local
communities.
We
are
not
in
the
last
mile
business,
we
don't
offer
voice
services
or
cable
tv,
we
don't
serve
residential
customers
and
we're
not
targeting
smaller
medium
businesses.
G
We
do
hope
to
be
very
successful
in
enabling
others
to
provide
last
mile
service,
and
to
that
end
we
have
had
many
conversations
over
the
course
of
my
past
year,
for
example
with
the
folks
at
soar
and
the
center
for
rural
development
trying
to
better
serve
the
eastern
part
of
the
state.
They've
been
great
partners
with
us.
G
We
have
talked
to
all
sorts
of
internet
service
providers,
isps,
as
you
know,
and
from
everyone
from
the
dominant
national
carriers
to
regional
carriers,
to
local
mom
and
pop
isps
to
newcomers
who
are
looking
to
get
in
the
business.
We
believe
we
will
play
an
important
role
and
can
be
a
key
partner
to
these
players
as
they
build
broadband
off-ramps
and
deliver
service
where
it
hasn't
been
delivered
previously
or
where
the
existing
service
is
just
too
slow.
G
We
have,
for
example,
spoken
and
worked
to
develop
plans
with
a
rural
electric
cooperative,
that's
interested
in
getting
into
the
broadband
business
and
building
out
the
last
mile
in
their
community.
They
need
a
partner
like
us
to
connect
that
build
out
upstream.
We
have
spoken
to
private
companies
who
are
looking
to
overbuild
municipal
utilities.
That's,
that's
not
us
doing
the
over
building,
that's
private
folks,
who
apparently
think
there's
a
market
opportunity
and
have
a
business
plan
for
that.
G
G
My
personal
opinion
is
that
this
technology
will
have
great
applicability
to
parts
of
the
commonwealth
that
are
difficult
to
serve
and
there's
a
lot
of
them
because
it's
relatively
low
cost
and
it
is
able
to
cover
areas
that
are
very
expensive
to
reach
via
a
wired
solution.
My
opinion
is
that
many
of
these
areas
will
be
best
served
by
a
hybrid
solution
of
fiber-based
isps
that
go
as
far
as
it
can
go
economically
and
fix
wireless
that
reaches
the
fire
haulers
of
a
jurisdiction.
G
Guess
what
a
cbrs
fixed
wireless
last
mile
needs
a
middle
mile
provider
to
connect
the
internet
and
that's
the
role
we
hope
to
serve
with
them.
We're
trying
to
sell
all
the
big
wireless
carriers
whose
names
you
all
know
as
they
work
to
increase
their
bandwidth
available
to
their
serving
towers
in
many
remote
areas.
These
towers
are
fed
by
microwave
radio.
It's
obsolete
bandwidth
limited
it's
middle
mile
that
results
in
really
bad
coverage
for
cellular
customers
in
those
areas.
G
G
There
are
a
number
of
county
issued
broadband
rfps
on
the
market,
as
I'm
sure
you're
aware
and
when
possible,
we're
trying
to
introduce
last
mile
providers
to
the
judge
executives
we're
in
contact
with
in
hopes
of
again
providing
the
middle
mile
to
the
isp.
That's
the
successful
winner
of
the
rfp,
so
I'm
sure
that
the
judges
are
in
close
communications
with
the
providers
that
are
already
in
their
jurisdictions,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
rfps
out
there.
G
As
you
know
the
industry's
awash
in
federal
subsidies,
there
aren't
many
phone
companies
that
aren't
benefiting
from
one
subsidy
or
the
other.
It
looks
like
there's.
You
know
billions
more
coming
down
the
federal
spigot
as
companies
of
every
stripe
look
to
build
the
last
mile.
We
hope
to
be
the
ones
to
enable
their
success
by
providing
an
on-ramp
to
that
super
highway.
So
this
whole
issue
of
last
mile
enablement
is
one
of
our
most
important
deliverables.
G
We
also
think
the
commonwealth
wide
network
is
uniquely
positioned
in
the
area
of
rural
health
care.
It
doesn't
take
much
imagination
to
think
that
the
ability
to
connect
a
patient
in
the
far
reaches
of
the
state
with
an
expert
at
uk
or
uofl,
will
save
time
money
and
may
save
lives.
The
health
care
provider
networks
we've
spoken
to
are
very
excited
at
the
prospect
of
that
ubiquitous
coverage.
G
It's
it's
tough
for
a
network
to
cobble
together
a
comprehensive
and
consistent
offer
through
multiple
providers,
and
this
unique
network
has
unique
appeal
and,
as
we
work
with
these
healthcare
networks,
to
bring
these
services
to
life,
we're
often
partnering
with
rural
telcos
to
provide
the
last
mile
when
it
makes
sense.
So
when
we
look
at
a
health
care
provider
network,
for
example,
we
may
be
just
as
likely
to
rent
a
last
mile
facility
from
an
existing
carrier
is
to
build
it
ourselves.
So,
in
those
examples
everybody
participates
in
providing
the
service.
G
In
another
very
recent
example,
some
of
our
rural
partners
are
considering
building
data
centers
to
better
serve
their
customer
base
that
accessing
and
streaming
data
locally
is
faster.
It's
a
better
experience.
They've
asked
if
we're
interested
in
partnering
with
them
to
connect
their
data
centers
as
efficiently
as
possible.
G
And
importantly,
we
are
not
cherry
picking,
critical
customers
at
the
expense
of
others.
The
reason
is
we
can't
and
there's
two
reasons
we
can't
one.
It's
it's
not
1980,
I
mean
it's:
it's
not
mci
versus
a
t
and
having
a
one
versus
upstart
versus
monolith
approach
to
taking
off
key
customers.
If
you
look
at
most,
any
utility
polio
drive
by
you'll
see
multiple
carriers
in
the
telcom
space.
So
there's
no
question
that
telcom
is
rob.
Telcom
competition
is
robust.
G
Secondly,
the
concept
of
targeting
a
single
customer
to
because
their
high
revenue
is
too
expensive.
All
that
cable
and
all
those
poles
represents
outside
plant
that's
already
built,
but
as
we
find
new
customers,
we
have
to
build
new
facilities
to
every
new
customer
until
we,
unless
we
lease
from
others,
as
I
mentioned,
so
it's
an
expensive
proposition.
High
revenue
doesn't
make
it
if
your
costs
are
even
higher.
G
So
I
am
100
confident
that
we
will
not
be
successful
with
any
customer
who
is
well
satisfied
with
their
existing
options
and
we've
seen
that
plenty
as
we
call
and
get
unreturned
or
disregarded
phone
calls
and
discarded
emails.
So
that's
despite
the
pitch
that
we're
making
that
ultimately,
we
will
share
most
of
our
revenue
with
the
commonwealth.
G
Healthcare
is
an
obvious
application
to
virtually
deliver
a
specialist
where
they
aren't.
Today,
I
didn't
speak
to
agriculture.
I
should
have
but
think
about
connecting
the
ag
extension
offices
or
the
farm
bureau
commonwealth
wide
I've
been
to
the
new
app
harvest
facility.
It
seems
to
me
I
don't
know
much
about
it
like
the
future
of
agriculture
and
I'm
excited
that
we're
working
with
app
harvest
to
provide
them
the
bandwidth
they
need
at
their
new
facilities.
G
G
By
the
way,
I
should
have
said
along
the
way
that
if
I
missed
anyone
who
we
should
be
partnering
with
or
if
you're
hearing
from
folks
who
think
we
should
have
been
partnering
with
them
and
we
haven't
been,
our
door
is
absolutely
wide
open
and
please
point
them
in
my
direction.
We've
had,
as
I
mentioned,
hundreds
of
conversations
with
all
sorts
of
players
about
how
we
can
partner
to
improve
the
broadband
experience
in
the
state.
So
I'll
finish
where
I
started
to
say
I'm
new
here
so
is
our
company.
G
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
few
questions
before
I
open
it.
Up
to
other
members
is
open.
Fiber
telecom
marketing
and
selling
kentucky
wired
excess
capacity.
G
Our
wholesale
agreement
with
the
state
gives
us
access
to
the
capacity
that
the
state
is
not
using.
Yes,.
G
G
A
G
Sure
so
I
think
that
I
think,
as
I
said,
healthcare
is
a
great
application
for
the
network.
You
know
there
are.
There
are
various
health
care
networks
across
the
state,
a
primary
care
association,
east
kentucky
health
clinics,
for
example.
So
these
are
organizations
and
agencies
that
have
multiple
locations,
they're,
very
interested
in
a
single
network
solution.
You
can
imagine
the
benefit
from
that
they're,
not
you
know
they
can
provide
consistent
services
and
a
consistent
experience.
They
need
that
significant
bandwidth
for
the
remote
diagnostics
and
connectivities
to
experts
in
other
areas.
G
G
So
when
we
talk
to
healthcare
providers
about
a
situation
like
that,
we
you
know
they
are
interested
in
serving
all
of
their
all
of
their
constituents
and
that
solution
might
include
us
building
some
facilities
that
might
include
us
working
with
the
local
telecom,
to
provide
that
last
mile
as
part
of
the
package
that
we
provide
to
the
to
the
health
care
network.
A
Getting
back
their
continuing
on
with
health
care,
if
I
understood
correctly,
you
said
that
some
of
them
are
already
receiving
broadband
through
other
other
means,
but
I
didn't
quite
understand
in
terms
of
partnering.
Are
you
actually
the
only
provider
to
those
health
care
or
any
other
businesses
for
our
last
mile
services?.
G
Yeah,
so
just
you
know
in
in
the
healthcare
example,
what
we've
seen
is
they
may
be
receiving.
Certainly
they
have
some
sort
of
connectivity
to
a
network.
In
many
cases
it's
not
broadband.
G
So
again,
if
you
think
of
excelcom
as
the
middle
mile,
we
need
in
the
case
of
healthcare
a
last
mile
connection.
We
can
build
that
last
mile
connection
ourselves
or
we
can
lease
a
last
mile
connection
from
the
existing
carrier
that
takes
you
know
a
healthcare
location
that
has
existing
service.
That's
not
satisfactory,
uses
the
local
carrier's
facility
to
connect
to
the
broadband
middle
mile
that
we
provide
so
again
it's
it's
location
and
geography
specific,
but
in
many
instances
we
are
hoping
to
partner.
G
We
we
are,
we,
we
have
secured
50
or
more
poll
attachment
agreements,
in
addition
to
a
large
number
of
franchise
agreements
in
various
jurisdictions
and
the
business
licenses
that
were
that
are
required
in
other
jurisdictions
to
operate.
A
I'm
a
little
confused
if
open
fiber
silicon
is
supposed
to
not
be
in
competition
with
other
service
providers
that
are
already
receiving
services,
etc.
Why
are
poll
attachments
agreements
needed.
G
Because
in
some
cases,
we're
able
to
use
the
existing
providers
last
mile
facilities
in
some
cases
it
you
know,
we
need
to
build
their
own
facilities
so
that
we
are
partnering
wherever
possible
with
those
last
mile
providers,
it's
not
possible
in
every
instance,
and
so
in
order
to
be
prepared.
We
are
soliciting
poll
attachment
agreements
where
we
basically
across
the
across
the
commonwealth,.
A
G
I
can't
speak
for
kcna.
As
I
said,
we
are
we'll
end
up
being
in
competition
with
local
service
providers.
I
don't
think
that's
a
new
situation
for
any
of
them
because,
as
I
mentioned
in
as
we're
all
aware,
there's
generally
multiple
service
providers
in
a
particular
area.
We
are
very
optimistic
and
looking
forward
to
working
with
those
providers.
G
As
I
said,
we're
there
there's
a
lot
more
things
that
we're
not
a
lot
more
services
that
we're
not
well
positioned
to
provide
than
we
are
that
includes
local
business,
local
voice,
small
and
medium
businesses,
residences
etc.
So
for
those
service
offerings,
we
won't
be
in
competition
for
large
enterprises,
particularly
those
large
enterprises
that
have
commonwealth
wide
geographies.
G
You
know
we
think
that's
the
sweet
spot
for
the
network
and
we
hope
to
partner
with
those
local
carriers
to
provide
that
service
and
we've
got,
as
I
said,
a
couple
of
instances
in
the
eastern
and
the
southern
part
of
the
state
where
we're
in
you
know
weekly
conversation
to
to
try
to
work
out
service
provisioning
scenarios
using
those
local
providers.
A
D
I'll,
try
to
do
this
as
efficiently
as
I
can.
How
open
fiber
kentucky
is
the
actual
business
entity
correct
correct
and
it
is
simply
dba
accelecom.
Is
that
correct,
that's
correct?
Are
there
any
other
dbas
of
open
fiber?
D
D
D
Okay,
mr
chairman,
would
you
have
the
staff
follow
up
and
make
sure
we
narrow
that
down?
It's
not.
A
G
D
Perfectly
fine
changing
topic
just
a
little
bit,
mr
chairman,
if
it's
okay,
you
said
it
do
not
market
currently
to
small
or
medium
businesses,
correct,
we're.
G
Not
targeting
small
and
medium
businesses,
I'm
you
know
we
are.
We
are
actively
spreading
the
word
about
the
network.
We
have
no
doubt
intersected
with
medium
businesses
out
along
the
way.
We
are
not
targeting
medium
businesses,
as
I
said,
because
I
don't
think
it's
a
particularly
good
fit
for
our
offer.
G
D
Okay,
so
make
sure
I
understand
the
definition
from
your
perspective
is
based
on
what
their
service
needs
are,
if
they're
below
a
gig,
it's
probably
not
in
the
market
you're
looking
at
probably
okay,
is
there
anything
statutorily
or
regulatory
or
contractual
that
restricts
you
from
offering
services
below
a
gig
so
that
we
can
go
to
small,
smaller
services
or
even
to
residential.
D
D
I'm
worth
there
was
mentioned
in
a
committee
yesterday
and
I
and
I'm
not
going
to
professionally
know
a
great
lot
about
it,
but
an
implicit
or
an
understood
or
contractual.
I
couldn't
narrow
it
down
in
testimony
a
right
of
first
refusal
for
certain
telecoms
or
munis
that
already
offer
services.
Can
you
give
me
any
information
about
that
whatsoever?
If
it's
too
lengthy,
if
you
can
get
back
to
the
committee
as
a
whole,.
G
Let
me
let
me
give
you
the
60
second
version
and
if
it
doesn't
satisfy
I'll,
get
back
to
you
in
total,
but
my
understanding
is
that
kcna
solicited
rights,
irus
rights
to
use
other
other
carriers
fiber
to
complete
some
portions
of
the
network.
That's
a
pretty
standard
arrangement
in
building
out
telecom
networks,
where
you
other
people
have
fiber
already
in
place,
and
you
get
a
right
to
use
that
fiber
and
it's
you
know
oftentimes
more
economical
than
building
it
yourself,
so
that
that's
pretty
typical
in
the
telecom
industry.
G
What
is
less
typical
is
some
of
those
iru
holders,
specifically
ekn
and
bgn
east
kentucky
and
bluegrass
also
received
a
right
of
first
refusal,
which
which
says,
basically,
if
the
wholesale
partner
open
fiber
provides
service
off
of
the
iru
fiber
in
their
territory.
G
Ekn
and
bgn
have
the
right
of
first
refuse
right
of
first
refusal
to
match
the
offer
that
open
fiber
has
struck
with
a
with
a
potential
customer.
So
that's
the
right.
That's
the
right
of
first
refusal.
If
we
sell
off
of
fiber
in
their
territory,
they
have
a
right
to
match
that
offer.
Unfortunately,
the
language
of
that
roofer
has
is
not
particularly
clear.
I'm
sure
you
heard
that
as
well.
G
So
there's
a
you
know
a
fair,
fairly
wide
range
about
the
specifics
and
how
that
gets
implemented
and
both
the
folks
at
e
k,
n
and
bgn
and
open
fiber.
Myself
are
working,
as
I
mentioned,
weekly
or
more
often,
to
find
business
solutions
that
don't
make
that
roofer
null
and
void,
but
make
it
moot
so
we're.
I
think,
we're
all
in
agreement
that
the
best
solution
is
working
together.
D
I
understood
if
I'm
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
my
understanding
from
what
you
just
said
is
this
that
there
may
be
a
contractual
obligation
on
a
roper.
However,
because
of
the
way
it's
written,
it's
not
very
effective
and
in
the
real
world
would
be
not
a
derogatory
word
but
circumvented
in
many
instances.
G
I
we're
trying
we're
trying
we're
trying
not
to
circumvent
it.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
it.
It's
just
not
terribly
clear
about.
You
know
some
of
the
terms
and
conditions
in
that
roper
and
again,
both
ekan
and
bgn,
and
we
agree
that
the
better
solution,
rather
than
spending
a
lot
of
time,
you
know
arguing
about
what
the
rolfer
says
is
to
come
up
with
a
mutually
agreeable
solution
and
again
there's
multiple
instances
right
now,
where
we're
working.
D
Through
that
understood,
very
good,
thank
you.
One
final
thing
I
can
either
ask
this
of
kcna
or
or
since
you're
on
I'll.
Just
ask
you
can,
would
you
mind
submitting,
will
you
submit
to
the
committee
copies
of
the
contracts
between
open
fiber
macquarie
with
kcna
kentucky
wired,
so
we
can
that
relationship
that
I
asked
about
the
first
part
of
my
questions.
We
can
see
how
that
contractually
lays
out
and
make
sure
it's
comprehensive.
I
don't
want
any
supplementals
that
are
left
off
yeah.
A
All
right,
I
I
have
a
couple:
local
telecom
providers
and
member-owned
cooperatives
seem
to
believe
the
kentucky
wired
is
unnecessary
because
they're
already
building
up
infrastructure
they're
more
concerned.
I
think
that
the
project
would
force
local
providers
to
compete
with
kentucky
wired,
a
government
subsidized
network.
A
G
A
couple
of
comments,
mr
chairman,
one
one
would
be
that
you
know.
As
I
said
it's
competitive,
there
is
a
lot
of
competitors
out
there.
You
know
it's,
it's
the
the
issue
of
having
to
be
responsive
and
nimble
and
evolving
your
network
and
your
offer
to
respond
to
changing
market
conditions.
G
You
know,
I
think
it's
not
unique
to
open
fiber
kentucky's
entrance
into
the
network.
You
you
see
that
when
you
hear
people
talk
about
what
constitutes
broadband
not
very
long
ago,
a
10
meg
down
one
meg
up
was
broadband.
Then
recently
25
down
three
up
is
broadband,
and
now
the
federal
government's
talking
about
100
meg
down
100
meg
up
as
a
minimum
threshold
for
broadband.
So
you
know
the
the
throughput
requirements
and
the
network
requirements
that
are
on
all
carriers,
including
municipals
and
rural
telecoms
and
and
local
cooperatives.
G
Are
you
know
the
the
demand
for
services
is
fantastic
and
it's
going
to
be
capital
intensive.
I
think,
as
I
tried
to
convey
during
the
course
of
my
comments
we
we
are
not
looking
to
supplant
municipal
cooperatives.
We
don't
you
know
our
our
network
and
their
networks
are
complement
more
much.
More
complementary
than
they
are
competitive
and
we
welcome
the
opportunity,
hope
hope.
We've
talked
to
a
lot
of
them,
as
I
said,
we're
talking
to
rural
electric
cooperatives
who
want
to
get
in
the
business
and
we're
trying
to
help
with
that.
G
We're
happy
to
talk
to
others
to
figure
out
how
we
can
be
a
facilitator
and
an
enabler
rather
than
a
competitor.
That's
that's
really
not
our
intent,
and
I
don't.
I
don't
think
our
target
audience
is
overlapped
very
much.
A
All
right
would
you
stay
on
the
line
in
case
there's
some
more
questions
that
come
up
after
the
next
presentation.
A
A
Good,
would
you
two
both
please
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
swear
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
will
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
I.
B
H
H
I
wanted
to
just
provide
some
updates
very
similar
information
to
what
we
have
shown
the
appropriations
of
revenue
committee
two
separate
times,
but
some
up
with
some
updates
today.
So
thank
you
for
having
us
here
next
slide.
Sandy
is
a
reminder.
In
the
2021
session,
300
million
dollars
was
appropriated
to
the
broadband
deployment
fund
from
federal
dollars.
H
Out
of
the
american
rescue
plan
act,
250
million
was
identified
to
be
for
unserved
and
underserved
broadband
areas,
with
50
million
of
that
a
limit
of
50
million
of
that
to
be
awarded
before
april
1
of
2022..
H
There
is
also
a
50
million
dollar
portion
that
will
be
for
securing
economic
development
opportunities
for
commercial
industrial
customers,
and,
I
would
add,
the
50
million
dollar
limit
of
awards
until
april
of
next
year
is
going
to
be
targeted
to
unserved
areas
and,
as
your
previous
presenter
had
mentioned,
you
know
that's
identified,
as
is
either
no
service
at
all
or
service
at
the
10,
meg
download
and
one
mega
upload
next
slide.
Please.
H
So
back
in
the
2020
session,
the
general
assembly
established
the
broadband
deployment
fund
within
the
kentucky
infrastructure
authority,
and
it
was
the
appropriations
from
the
2021
session
that
financed
provided
the
first
dollars
available
to
implement
the
broadband
deployment
fund,
and
in
that
statute
you
all
set
some
fundamental
issues,
such
as
definitions
of
unserved
and
underserved.
H
The
definition
of
what
broadband
is
given
the
plethora
of
provision
technologies
identified
a
you
know,
capacity
to
transmit.
You
know
data
at
a
minimum
of
25
meg
and
three
three
down
three
upstream
set
out
a
grant
application
process,
as
required
matching
funds,
and
so
that
50
million
dollars
in
terms
of
available
to
be
awarded
by
april
could
generate
at
least
100
million
dollars
in
investment
to
provide
unserved.
H
You
know
last
mile
services
also
one
of
the
things
you
changed
in
the
21
session
was
you
permitted
other
federal
funds
to
be
used
as
match
for
these
appropriations,
primarily
because
the
cities
and
counties
in
kentucky
and
across
the
country
also
received
funds
from
this
same
source
out
of
the
american
rescue
plan
act
and
one
of
the
eligible
utilizations
of
it?
Is
the
broadband
infrastructure
next
slide?
Please
so,
ultimately,
federal
guidance
on
the
use
of
the
funds
for
broadband
projects
came
out
in
may.
H
It
was
mostly
consistent
with
the
statutes
that
you'd
previously
put
in
place
in
the
in
the
last
two
sessions.
The
federal
guidance
focuses
on
unserved
and
underserved
areas,
very
similar
definitions
in
terms
of
underserved
in
kentucky's,
and
I
mentioned
earlier.
What
kentucky's,
unserved
definition
is,
which
is
what
we're
using
to
identify
eligible
areas
for
this
first
50
million
dollars
in
potential
awards.
H
The
thing
that
came
out
new
in
the
federal
guidance
was
that
the
projects
to
be
financed
with
these
federal
dollars
requires
a
minimum,
download
and
upload
speed
requirement
of
100
megabytes,
that's
symmetry
and
and
that's
different
than
a
statutory
definition,
but
one
that
we
abide
by
because
of
the
use
of
the
federal
dollars.
They
do
allow
some
exceptions
for
that
allowed
due
to
geography,
topography
or
excessive
cost,
and
but
these
exceptions
still
must
meet
the
minimum
of
100
meg
downstream
and
20
meg
upstream
and
it'd
be
scalable
to
100
meg
upstream.
H
So
that
was
the
one
major
difference
between
the
federal
guidance
and
the
the
statutes
that
we
currently
work
under.
So
the
process
we
had
previously
informed.
You
know
we
had
a
request
for
information.
We
asked
all
comers
to
give
us
any
ideas,
any
issues,
any
wisdom,
as
we
were
preparing
the
request
for
proposal
or
the
applications.
H
We
received
a
good
response
to
that
back
in
july,
used
a
number
of
those
responses
to
inform
and
finalize
the
request
for
proposal
and
application
that
was
ultimately
released
on
august
11th
just
a
little
week
after
my
last
testimony
to
the
appropriations
revenue
committee
two
and
a
half
month
time
period
for
responses
due
as
of
october
25
of
2021.
So
about
a
month
from
now
in
the
next
slide.
Please.
H
So
our
more
specific
timeline
items
the
rfp
was
released
in
august
of
11th.
We
had
a
set
of
a
vendor
questions
process
in
august,
received
responses,
received
and
responded
to
those
questions
at
the
end
of
august
and
chose
to
open
up
another
set
of
questions,
and
those
questions
were
due
by
september.
13
responses
to
those
questions
were
provided
september.
21.
again,
the
proposals
are
due
october
25
and
as
a
part
of
the
implementation
of
the
state
statute,
we'll
it's
within
a
five
business
days.
I
believe
requirement.
H
We
disclose
the
geographic
scope
of
this
project,
areas
that
are
being
applied
for
by
november,
one
that
is
to
establish
the
ability
for
any
provider
to
submit
a
challenge
to
an
a
project
area.
That's
being
solicited
this
being
sought
within
an
application.
H
Those
challenges
are
due
within
about
a
month
of
the
of
the
publication
of
those
areas,
and
then
there
will
be
a
you
know,
determination,
an
examination
of
those
challenges
and
the
disclosure
and
communication
of
of
the
res
of
the
decisions
made
against
those
challenges
and
all
those
would
be
publicized
of
you
know
both
the
challenger
and
the
project
application
applicant.
Who
may
have
the
project
area
challenged
next
next
slide?
Please
thank
you.
H
Project
selection,
statutory
adherence,
particularly
in
the
most
recent
2021
session
in
house,
bill
320
specifications
that
projects
in
unserved
areas
where
other
funds
are
not
currently
designated
or
inadequate
and
is
is,
is
a
requirement.
H
Another
requirements,
projects
that
reach
the
customers
that
are
least
economical
to
serve
and
one
of
the
main
reasons
we're
designating
the
first
50
million
dollars
to
unserved
areas,
and,
given
the
conversation
about
you
know
the
competition
out
there
among
providers,
we
know
that
in
kentucky
there
are
plenty
of
unserved
areas
that
are
as
a
result
of
being
least
economical
to
serve
so
other
project
attributes
will
be
under
consideration.
We
we
put
a
scoring
criteria
within
the
request
for
proposal
next
slide.
Please,
oh
and
that's
that's
the
end
of
our
update.
H
H
Really,
looking
forward
to
you
know,
seeing
seeing
you
know
what
areas
of
the
state
what
providers
will
submit
information,
we
have
been
timely
in
our
responses
to
the
questions
that
are
done
through
the
request
for
proposal
process,
which
is
governed
by
the
finance
and
administration
cabinet,
and
and
really
look
forward
to
taking
this
next
big
step
of
the
first
time
that
the
commonwealth
has
dedicated
public
funds
to
the
expansion
of
broadband
services
to
unserved
areas
of
kentucky.
A
Thank
you.
Do
I
understand
correctly
from
your
presentation
that
the
unserved
areas
won't
be
known
specifically
until
you
receive
rs
rfp
responses,
or
did
I
misread
it?.
H
No,
that's
correct,
that's
correct.
We
one
of
the
things
that
is
is
lacking
with
with
great
specificity.
Is
these?
Is
these
perfect
identification
of
areas
that
are
unserved
the
fcc
data,
which
is
the
primary
data
source
that
are
used
to
determine
where
service
is
really
has
holes
and
gaps
in
it?
We,
the
commonwealth,
had
introduced
a
kind
of
a
self-survey
of
internet
speed
tests
to
help
add
to
that
information
where
individuals
were
providing
information
at
their
locations
about
the
service
or
lack
thereof.
H
We
used
that
information,
along
with
federal
recent
federal
grant
awards
to
develop
a
map
that
was
indicative
of
that
information,
but
you
know,
but
but
it
isn't
a
perfect
map
and
one
thing
that
we're
all
looking
forward
to
in
the
federal
infrastructure
bill,
which
is
currently
under
consideration
in
congress,
there's
another
pot
of
funds
to
go
to
states
to
help
develop
broadband
services
to
unserved
areas.
H
One
of
the
other
requirements
in
that
new
piece
of
legislation
is
that
states
will
use
the
a
map
being
developed
by
the
federal
communications
commission,
that
is
to
be
far
superior
to
existing
maps.
That
will
identify
unserved
and
underserved
areas,
and
so
the
challenge
process
that
you
all
wrote
into
the
statue
is
going
to
be
the
means
by
which
we
validate
and
assure
that
applications
are
truly
toward
unserved
areas
and
and
and
that
and
that's
going
to
be
our
our
method
of
assuring.
H
You
know
that
that,
in
essence,
there's
not
an
overlap
of
service
provision
where
it
exists
already,
with
any
project
that
may
be
awarded
through
these
funds.
A
Okay,
you
know
one
of
your
slides
talks
about
the
to
comply
with
hb,
330
and
krs-224a.1121.
A
H
No,
not
to
my
knowledge,
mr
chairman,
one
of
the
things
that
some
of
the
questions
that
we
received
through
the
rfb
q
a
process
to
ask
for
clarification
about
that,
because
some
of
the
some
of
the
grant
awards
from
the
federal
ardoff
process
were
to
finance
or
help
subsidize
operating
expenses.
H
In
contrast
to
the
construction
expenses
in
the
deployment
of
broadband
infrastructure.
And
so
so,
as
the
legislation
says,
inadequate
implies
that
there
are
situations
where
awards
are
made
from
the
federal
ardoff
program
that
did
not
provide
construction
dollars
or
or
did
not
require
compliance
to
be
to
meet
construction
requirements.
H
A
How
many
people
were
involved
in
developing
the
rfp?
At
the
end?
I
know
you
indicated
that
the
rfi
provided
input
and
and
helped
to
go
down
the
path
of
what
to
put
in
the
rfp,
but
when
it
got
down
to
actually
provide
or
coming
up
with
the
the
rfp
itself,
who
specifically
were
involved
in
in
that
development.
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
We
had
a
work
group
that
we
identified
as
as
we
previously
testified
the
governor
soon
after
the
21
session,
identified
some
project
leadership
for
not
only
the
broadband
project
but
the
water
and
the
wastewater
project
and
some
of
the
school
construction
projects
that
were
all
appropriated
by
the
general
assembly
in
2021.
So
so
I
was
asked
to
lead
the
broadband
employment
project
to
assist
the
kentucky
infrastructure
authority
who's,
the
recipient
of
the
appropriation
and
sandy
williams.
H
H
We
asked
mike
hayden,
who
had
previously
testified
here
from
kcna
because
of
his
subject
matter,
expertise
to
assist
in
that
one
of
my
staff
in
the
office
of
state
budget
director
now,
secretary,
ray
perry
of
the
public
protection
cabinet
and
we've
also
had
some
communications
assistance
from
the
finance
cabinets,
communications
director,
as
well
as
another
staffer
that
assist
secretary
perry.
Those
were
the
people,
who've
kind
of
worked
as
a
team.
Looked
at
many
many
other
state
and
jurisdictions.
H
A
Thank
you
because
I
write
slowly
I
was
unable
to
take
down.
Then
they
all
the
names
of
the
folks
you
provided.
Would
you
be
kind
enough
to
send
staff
the
names
and
organizations
slash
positions
that
those
folks
are.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Let's
see
here,
I
made
some
notes
beforehand,
all
right,
any
any
members
either
here
are
remote.
Have
any
questions.
D
D
It's
not
because
anything
is
wrong,
but
because
we
were
very
much
interested
in
what's
going
on
and
one,
I
know,
you've
been
under
a
tight,
a
tight
timeline,
and
I
appreciate
your
responsiveness
and
and
working
on
something
that
is
fundamentally
plowing
new
ground
in
kentucky
and
that's
not
always
easy.
D
The
50
million
dollars
designated
toward
economic
development.
Is
there
any
implementation
plan
or
guidelines
or
targets
that
have
been
put
in
place?
For
that?
I
know
that
the
first
50
million
is
for
unserved
residential,
I'm
just
asking
if
anything
has
been
attempted
to
be
developed
on
the
economic
development
portion.
Yet.
H
Not
as
yet
we
you
know,
we've
we've
been
in
touch
and
stay
in
touch
with
the
economic
development
cabinet,
particularly
you
know,
because
the
idea
is,
you
know,
would
there
be
a
possibility?
You
know
particularly
of
a
location
of
a
new
or
expanded.
You
know
business
here
in
kentucky
that
may
have
a
particular
need.
You
know,
for
which
you
know
those
funds
could
be
developed.
So
really.
H
What
we
have
done
is
ask
the
economic
development
cabinet
kind
of
to
be
the
signal
setter
for
for
a
prospective
situation
where
those
funds
could
be
devoted
and
and
that's
kind
of
been
the
the
extent
of
our
of
our
efforts
so
far,.
D
Very
good,
if
you,
if
you
can
and
as
available,
I
would
like
to
be
updated
on
what
those
targets
plans
and
guidelines
are.
I
understand
what
you've
just
related,
but
I'm
interested
in
the
50
million.
Are
we
talking
about
implementation
of
that
through
paying
for
lineage
for
fiber,
for
installation
for
equipment
at
one
or
the
other
end,
where
there's
no
other
service
being
provided
to
a
business
to
a
park?
What
is
it
that
on
the
implementation
side
is
envisioned
for
that?
50
million?
D
That's
what
I'm
what
I'm
after,
and
I
appreciate
that
you
mentioned
the
mapping
and
you-
and
I
and
others
have
discussed
that
since
about
february
of
this
calendar
year-
and
I
understand
it's
not
going
to
be
a
complete
and
comprehensive
map.
It
will
be
as
best
we
can
at
whatever
time
we
look
at
it.
H
I
understand
your
question,
I
think
you
know,
I
think
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
better
measure
of
that
when
we
see
the
applications,
publish
them
and
and
go
through
the
challenge
process.
I
think
that's
going
to
be.
You
know
the
best
bell
weather
you
know
for
what
do
we?
What
do
we
think
we
know
and
what
is
truly
on
the
ground,
and
so
so
I
I
you
know,
I
would
expect
you
know.
As
you
well
know,
the
census
block
information
from
the
sec
just
isn't
is
specific
enough.
H
Our
internet
speed
test,
you
know,
is
you
know
a
self-survey,
not
validated.
You
know
in
in
an
objective
second
secondary
way,
and
so
we
realize
that
there's
some
imperfections
in
that,
but
it
was
a
good
effort
and
and
really
I
think,
the
map
that
we've
shown
from
the
internet
speed
test.
You
know
kind
of
reveals.
You
know
one
thing
I
haven't
heard
yet
and
is
how?
If
how
how
imperfect
that
map
is
I've,
not
I've
seen
you
know,
we
we're
in
the
education
workforce.
H
Development
cabinet
has
been
the
agency
that
helped
implement
that
internet
speed
desk
and
we
stay
in
touch
with
them
about
that.
So
to
me
right
now.
That
gives
me
better
confidence.
You
know
that
those
internet
speed
test
results
are
are
truly
reflective.
You
know
of
of
the
service
levels
or
the
lack
of
service
level.
H
So,
and
I
will
say
this,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
the
fact
that
the
fcc
has
kind
of
been
required
by
the
federal
data
act
to
really
become
you
know
the
best
resource
you
know
in
in
very
detailed
geographic
locations
about
service
so
that
there
can
be
a
kind
of
the
everybody
has
the
same
knowledge
you
know
about
what
is
what
the
service
levels
are.
So
that's
a
long-winded
answer
to
to
avoid
a
percentage
probability
that
I
really
can't
give
you
right
now.
D
Understood,
would
you
we'll
switching
topics
quickly,
the
rfi
process
and
the
responses
and
the
rfp
itself?
Can
you
supply
a
cop?
Will
you
supply
copies
of
that
to
this
committee.
D
Thank
you
and
then
last
thing
I
think,
is
this
and
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
horrible
cross
examiner
at
this
point,
it's
going
to
be
an
open
question
all
right,
so
it's
leading
and
it's
your
softball
all
right
in
light
of
everything.
That's
been
developed
and
done
so
far
relative
to
320
house
bill,
320
implementation,
any
process,
modifications
or
statutory
modifications
that
that
you
could
recommend
or
suggest
for
consideration.
At
this
point.
H
I
appreciate
the
question
one
I
would
I
would
I'm
going
to
lean
on
the
lessons
that
we're
going
to
learn
in
this
first
round
of
applications,
and
and
to
that
I
mean,
for
example,
given
high,
potentially
high
cost
areas
to
serve.
As
an
example
is
the
50
match
requirement
you
know
in
in
the
in
the
ballpark
about
what
might
be
necessary
in
order
to
achieve
you
know
some
of
those
very
difficult
to
serve
geographic
areas.
That's
one
we're
going
to,
particularly
with
with
sandy
williams
and
myself
and
secretary
perry.
H
You
know
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
the.
How
did
the
rfp
process
work
and
would
would
a
more
typical
grant
process
be
preferred,
but
we
don't
have
any.
We
don't
have
any
final
conclusions
on
that.
You
know
there
are
certainly
benefits
of
an
rfp
process.
H
In
terms
of
you
know,
level
playing
field,
transparency,
all
of
those
good
things
about
that.
I
also
would
say
that
I'm
keeping
a
close
eye
on
the
infrastructure
bill
at
the
federal
level
to
think
okay.
If
those
funds
were
to
flow
downhill
to
states
into
the
broadband
deployment
fund
that
we've
currently
structured.
H
Are
there
issues
that
may
need
to
be
adjusted
in
our
state
statute
to
fully
accommodate
and
take
full
advantage
of
those?
Those
are
kind
of
the
three
things
that
we're
kind
of
you
have
on
our
plate?
To
look
at
to
maybe
advise
you
know
what
what
adjustments
may
be
helpful
in
the
state
statute?
You
know
that
that
really,
you
know
achieve
the
the
policy
goals
that
we're
shooting
for.
D
Very
good
as
to
the
rfp
process
and
my
open-ended
question,
I
think
you're
supposed
to
receive
those
rfps
back
by
middle
late
october.
Is
that
correct
october
25th?
Okay,
so
by
the
end
of
november
at
least,
could
you
get
some
suggestions
back
to
this
committee
and
to
myself
about
statutory
modifications
or
process
modifications,
so
we
can
start
looking
at
those
in
depth
very
quickly,
we'll
do
and
then,
as
always.
Thank
you
very
much
director
hicks
very
helpful.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
representative.
A
Echoing
what
representative
petry
said,
I
understand
you
and
the
entire
team
is
probably
tired
of
coming
before
us
and
answering
questions,
but
having
said
that,
I
would
suggest
you
prepare
for
more
more
meetings,
because
this
this
is
a
very
important
project.
As
you're
well
aware.
A
I
live
in
in
western
kentucky
and
have
been
holding
my
tongue
about
the
fact
that
we're
always
the
last
to
get
anything,
and
here
we
are
again
ring
four
isn't
isn't
completed.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
say
that
you
mentioned.
I
believe
that
the
speed
test
results
were
acquired
from
end
user
surveys.
Is
that
correct.
A
Is
there
any
thought
into
having
an
independent
third
party,
maybe
check
on
a
couple
of
them
to
verify
those
speeds.
H
Not
at
this
time,
I
think
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
do
is
you
know,
with
the
project
applications
from
the
rfp.
We're
certainly
going
to
do
those
things,
the
verification
you
know
of
where
there
is
a
dissonance
between
an
applicant
and
another
provider.
So
we'll
have
that
opportunity.
H
I
think
the
the
greater
detail,
information
that
the
federal
government
fcc
is
requiring
of
all
prop
all
providers
is
going
to
be
a
real
benefit
because
they're
they're
asking
providers
to
provide
a
greater
level
of
detail
at
a
greater
frequency
to
do
that.
But,
but
we
certainly
in
the
challenge
process
and
in
the
application
review
process,
we've
got
some
requirements
to
assure
you
know
that
the
project
applicant
and
its
application
for
unserved
areas
is
in
fact
addressing
unserved
areas.
A
Do
you
have
any
feel
for
what
the
ask
will
be
for
our
2022
session
you're
going
to
need
a
lot
more
money,
you're
going
to
give
some
money
back
to
us
kind
of
where?
Where
do
you
see
us
going
on
this.
H
I
think
would
be
fair
to
say
that
you
know
we
would
like
to
see
the
extension
of
the
300
million
dollar
appropriation
to
be
retained
for
broadband
deployment.
The
50
million
dollar
limitation
by
april
you
know
is,
is
is
at
the
same
time
after
you
have
completed
the
next
biannual
budget,
so
I
think
you
can
expect
the
administration
to
seek
the
extension
of
that
same
appropriation
from
these
sorts
of
funds
for
the
broadband
given.
A
I
know
where,
where
I
live,
I
would
be
very
happy
to
receive
maybe
a
quarter
of
what
the
federal
government
is
requesting
heck,
maybe
even
50
of
what
our
state
statute
says.
H
A
Okay,
that
that's
a
shame
any
other
members
have
any
questions
for
any
of
the
presenters
that
have
been
on
they've
been
kind
enough
to
to
stick
with
us,
and
I
really
appreciate
that
any
other
members
have
any
questions.
A
If
not,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
presenting
and
being
here.
We
really
appreciate
it,
it's
something
that
is
definitely
needed,
so
you
all
have
a
good
day
now.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
E
A
F
C
A
For
those
who
are
remote,
we're
pausing,
so
we
can
get
the
presentation
loaded.
A
Would
you
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
C
I
do
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Please
proceed
all
right,
so
thank
you
so
much
chairman
beckler
for
allowing
us
some
time
today
and
thank
you
to
representative
weber
for
coordinating
this
and
making
making
this
happen.
So
we
are
with
the
waterfront
botanical
gardens
in
louisville
and
I'm
going
to
quickly
go
through
a
presentation.
C
Did
I
lose
her?
Let
me
try
one
more
time
there
we
go
we're
building
a
botanical
garden
on
a
23-acre
site
in
louisville.
Many
of
you
know
this.
It
was
formerly
a
landfill
so
and
before
the
landfill
was
a
neighborhood
called
the
ohio
street
neighborhood
sat
along
the
river.
There
were
135
homes
here
the
markings
are
here,
but
then
flooding
caused
this.
This
is
the
actual
site
that
we're
building
on
top
of
this
house
is.
C
The
high
gold
house
was
built
there
in
the
1850s
and
if
you've
been
to
louisville,
you
can
see
what
they
saved
mayor
farnsley
at
the
time
saved
the
facade
of
the
house.
But
this
is
what
happened
in
the
on
the
neighborhood
of
the
135
homes,
so
the
city
turned
it
into
a
dump
or
a
landfill,
and
it
was
active
from
the
mid-40s
to
the
nut
to
the
mid
70s.
C
This
is
what
we're
building
this
will
be.
The
final
final
view
of
the
gardens
the
area
to
the
bottom
left
has
been
developed.
That's
part
of
phase
one
in
the
center
is
our
future
japanese
garden.
The
visitor
center
is
in
the
far
part
of
this
image
and
to
the
right
is
the
conservatory
which
will
hold
tropical
plants
year-round.
C
This
is
our
master
plan,
which
was
designed
in
2014,
and
this
shows
you
the
three
phases
so
we're
in
phase
one
right
now.
Phase
two
will
be
a
visitor
center
in
the
children's
garden
and
phase
three,
the
conservatory,
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
renderings
of
this.
So
this
building
is
finished.
The
graser
family
education
center
opened
just
two
years
ago,
we're
almost
at
our
two
year
anniversary
october,
4th.
C
We
also
just
completed
the
l
t
leslie
botanical
classrooms,
which
allows
us
to
provide
all
kinds
of
youth
and
adult
education,
mostly
environmental
education,
but
we
also
do
classes
in
the
arts
and
yoga
and
tai
chi
wellness
types
of
things.
Phase
two
is
the
visitor
center.
This
will
include
where
you
buy
tickets,
it'll
have
a
restaurant,
a
gift
shop
offices
display
space.
You
can
walk
up
on
top,
it
will
have
a
green
roof.
C
That's
a
water,
filtration
garden
that
you're
looking
at
right
there
to
show
people
teach
people
how
plants
clean
the
water
and
then
an
event
lawn
and
next
to
it
will
be
the
children's
garden.
So
those
are
all
part
of
phase
two.
We
are
still
in
phase
one.
So
I'll
give
you
a
little
more
detail
about
that.
Just
a
minute
phase.
Three
is
then
the
conservatory
and
again
showing
people
plants.
I
grew
up
in
louisville
kentucky.
There
was
no
botanical
gardens.
C
We
first
will
be
building
the
bear
grass
creek
overlook,
so
our
property
sits
right
on
bear
grass
creek,
which
of
course
runs
throughout
louisville
and
then,
along
with
the
overlook,
will
be
the
tree
lay
on
the
right.
The
building
there
is
complete
on
the
left
will
be
our
future
japanese
garden.
So,
along
with
the
building
of
the
japanese
garden,
we'll
be
building
the
tree
lay
an
overlook.
C
So
the
japanese
garden
is
this
red
circle,
and
this
is
the
plan
for
that.
It's
being
designed
by
shiro
nakanee
of
kyoto,
japan
he's
been
to
our
site
twice,
has
only
been
held
up
because
of
covid
and
is
hoping
to
be
back
in
november
and
actually
pretty
exciting
news
in
november.
The
japanese
ambassador
is
coming
to
kentucky
and
will
be
coming
to
the
waterfront
botanical
gardens
to
see
the
the
future
site
of
this
japanese
garden,
and
so
in
the
japanese
garden.
C
You've
got
a
tea
house
summer,
house
waterfall
a
pond
with
koi
and
then
on
the
left
side,
you're,
seeing
a
large
bonsai
garden.
This
will
be
a
world-class
japanese
garden,
and
the
interesting
thing
is
this:
designer
out
of
kyoto
has
only
done
two
other
gardens
in
the
states.
The
rest
of
his
gardens
are
around
the
world,
so
this
will
make
louisville
and
kentucky
a
huge
tourism
spot.
C
Here's
a
rendering
of
what
that
will
look
like
with
the
tea
house
on
the
right
and
then
the
future
conservatory
in
the
distance
there,
obviously
a
very
meditative
and
calming
place.
These
are
just
a
couple
of
the
renderings
done
by
the
nakanee
team
out
of
japan,
so
they
look
a
little
bit
different
than
our
rendering.
So
I
thought
it's
fun
to
show
those
to
people
and
start
to
get
them
excited
about
this
future
cultural
asset
for
kentucky.
C
So
we
will
be
start
launching
a
capital
campaign.
Early
next
year.
We've
actually
already
raised
2.7
million
dollars
toward
this
project.
So
just
so,
you
know
to
date,
we've
had
about
20
000
visitors
and,
as
you
might
imagine,
last
year,
shutdown
affected
that
a
lot,
but
once
the
23
acres
is
developed,
we
expect
about
400
000
visitors
a
year
and
that's
based
on
other
cultural
assets
in
our
region.
C
C
The
classroom
holds
40
people,
it
opened
on
july
2nd,
and
this
was
made
possible
by
a
private,
very
large
private
gift,
a
very
an
unexpected
private
gift.
If
you
can
imagine
the
phone
call
that
told
me
that
someone
left
us
five
million
dollars
was
a
huge
celebration,
but
as
a
result
of
that
private
gift,
we
now
have
a
beautiful
classroom,
our
adult
education.
So
far,
so
the
building's
only
been
open
three
months
or
almost
three
months,
we've
got
150
students
and
on
the
adult
side.
C
In
addition,
we
do
a
lot
of
events
and
programs
at
the
garden,
so
a
lot
of
cultural
bringing
a
lot
of
music.
What
you're,
seeing
at
the
top
there
is
our
regeneration,
fair,
it's
a
free
environmental,
fair
for
the
kids
every
year.
We
just
had
it
on
september
11th
we
get
about
a
thousand
people
coming
through
for
that,
but
it
exposed
exposes
them
to
the
gardens
and
and
all
kinds
of
activities
there's.
C
C
So
the
point
I
want
to
make
today
is
this
is
a
great
private
public
partnership.
The
private
support
is
fully
engaged.
We've
raised
about
19
million
dollars.
The
majority
of
that
is
private
individuals
who
understand
the
importance
of
this.
You
know
educational
component,
cultural
component,
we're
still
still
dealing
with
infrastructure
issues,
so
I
know
I
spoke
quickly,
but
you
might
remember.
At
the
beginning
I
said
we're
sitting
on
a
landfill.
The
landfill
is
about
30
to
40
feet
tall.
In
addition,
that
landfill
sits
in
the
ohio
river
floodplain
okay.
C
These
have
to
be
solved
before
we
can
move
the
project
forward,
so
we're
working
with
with
the
senate
well
working
with
the
senate
in
the
house,
we're
looking
forward
to
growing
the
relationship
so
that
we
can
continue
to
build
this
cultural
asset
for
kentucky
the
benefit
to
the
community
is
clearly
shown.
So
the
pictures
I
just
showed
you
are
not
clip
art
they're,
not
from
the
internet.
C
Those
are
our
pictures,
so
you
can
see
that
lots
and
lots
of
people
are
coming
up
to
visit
the
gardens,
but
also
for
programming
in
environmental
education,
cultural
activities
and
then
tourism.
C
We
know
that
we're
going
to
bring
people
to
kentucky
with
the
full
build
out,
but
just
in
the
short
run,
the
japanese
garden,
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
open
the
japanese
garden
in
two
years.
We
are
working
with
the
japan,
america
society
of
kentucky
very
closely.
Last
night
we
entertained
50
people
with
the
japanese
or
the
japan,
america
society
on
a
bonsai
reception,
and
so
just
our
partnerships
are
really
important
in
helping
moving
this
forward,
so
we're
re-greening
one
of
our
own
landfills
and
making
it
beautiful.
C
We
are
an
example,
though,
for
other
states
on
how
to
do
this.
When
you
talk
about
how
to
handle
drainage
in
a
landfill-
and
I
know
that
gets
beyond
what
most
people
are
interested
in
so
they're-
not
very
sexy
parts
of
the
project,
but
drainage
can't
go
down
into
the
landfill
because
it
affects
the
integrity
of
that
landfill.
So
how
we
handle
drainage,
how
we
handle
drainage
into
the
floodplain
that
surrounds
us,
how
to
stabilize
buildings
on
a
30-foot
landfill.
C
C
So
once
again,
I
do
want
to
mention
that
we're
bringing
the
japanese
ambassador
here
I
know
that's
a
very
specific
niche
part
of
our
gardens,
the
japanese
garden,
but
it
helps
the
impact
on
the
the
tourism,
the
awareness
and
being
able
to
move
forward
with
creating
this
23
acre
botanical
garden
for
kentucky.
C
So
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
because
I
know
I
went
through
that
very
quickly.
A
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it
to
let
you
know
that
committee
meetings
are
not
just
seen
and
listened
to
by
the
committee.
Members
themselves
have
proof
here.
I
have
a
text
from
a
general
assembly
member
who's,
not
on
the
committee
asking
me
to
ask
you.
C
C
So
yes
and
we've-
we've
talked
a
lot
and
actually
partnered
with
the
kentucky
department
of
agriculture.
In
these
conversations,
so
we
do
have
we
do
feature
native
plants
so
that
people
understand
the
plants
of
kentucky.
So
on
our
signage,
the
I
should
ask
that
I
usually
ask
my
my
the
groups
I
present
to
do
you
all
know
what
the
state
tree
is
of
kentucky
anybody.
C
C
Okay
in
the
yard,
yeah
great
right
and
they're
early
bloomers,
which
is
nice
in
the
spring.
But
yes,
educating
people
about
the
plants
of
kentucky
is
the
main
feature
there:
it's
horticulture,
education,
it's
botany,
education
and
just
to
mention
we
have
six
or
eight
horticulture
interns
a
year
and
partnering
with
the
universities
and
the
university
of
kentucky
to
bring
those
interns
in
so
that
we're
teaching
more
students
not
just
about
agriculture,
but
also
botany
and
horticulture.
A
C
Right
now,
admission
is
free
from
a
business
model.
You
might
question
whoa
you're,
raising
money,
how
why
is
it
free?
Well,
my
own
experience.
I
grew
up
in
kentucky.
My
parents
didn't
travel,
I'd,
never
seen
a
tropical
plant.
True
story,
never
seen
a
palm
tree
until
I
went
to
florida
with
a
friend
in
college,
and
I
thought
it
was
fake
because
they
they
look
so
different
from
anything
I'd
ever
seen.
So
I
didn't
have
exposure
to
this
kind
of
education.
C
If
I'd
known,
I
could
have
majored
in
horticulture
or
botany,
I
probably
would
have
done
that
so
and
I'm
sorry,
I
just
forgot
your
question
because
I
rambled
on
I.
C
Oh
gosh
permission
right
so
for
so
it's
free
and
the
reason
is.
I
want
people
to
get
to
use
you
get
used
to
coming
to
the
gardens
and
know
what
it
is,
because
we
didn't
have
a
botanical
garden.
No
one
understood
really
what
it
was.
If
we
put
in
an
admission
price
today
of
three
or
five
dollars,
we
would
cut
our
visitorship
in
half.
I
have
no
doubt
so.
We're
holding
on
and
it'll
be
free
for
the
next
couple
of
years,
probably
install
a
ticket
price
when
we
open
the
japanese
garden.
C
C
A
There,
finally
is
a
cost,
any
any
thought
on
giving
kentucky
residents
a
discount.
C
Sure
you
know,
I
think,
that's
a
great
idea:
lots
of
lots
of
ways
to
do
a
discount
member
discount
resident
of
kentucky
discount.
Also,
there
are
relationships
with
other
botanical
gardens,
so
if
someone's
visiting-
and
they
belong
to
the
missouri
botanical
garden,
they
can
come
to
ours
for
free
and
vice
versa.
You're,
a
member
you
can
go
to
the
missouri
botanical
garden
for
free.
I'm.
C
Yeah
discount,
I
mean
the
discounts
and
also
funding
for
school
groups
and
school
families
right
so
getting
all
the
people
in
the
state
that
that
could
come
so
maybe
free
sundays,
free
saturday
mornings
or
early
that
kind
of
thing,
because
we
want
people
to
come
through
period.
We
want
people
to
come
and
understand
that
the
plants
of
kentucky
and
what
they
can
mean.
You
know
whether
it's
food
or
whether
it's
your
tulip
poplar
in
your
own
yard,
learning
how
to
do
that
at
the
garden.
So
we'll
do
everything
we
can
today.
A
Are
you
working
with
schools
to
encourage
field
trips.
C
We
are,
we've
just
started
that,
because
our
education
building
our
classroom
building
just
opened
so
we're
working
very
closely
with
jcps.
In
fact,
marty
polio
was
over.
It
was
out
the
other
day
we're
working
on
actually
brainstorming
on
a
huge
collaboration
which
is
which
is
a
future
thing,
but
yes,
the
private
schools,
schools
in
southern
indiana
and
throughout
the
state.
So
the
field
trip
information
just
hit
our
website
this
week.
A
Good,
I
would
appreciate,
if
you
kind
of
push
that
information
out
to
the
rural
areas.
C
Well,
a
japanese
garden
is
obviously
it's
it's
a
cultural
thing,
but
a
japanese
garden
is
built
as
a
meditative
space
and
it
was
originally
built
centuries
ago.
They
were
built
as
kind
of
a
respite
from
the
crazy
world
around
you,
whether
it
wars
or
anything
like
that
going
on.
So
it's
very
meditative
therapeutic.
So
when
you
walk
in
there'll
be
a
hedge
around
it,
you
walk
in
and
it's
just
that
blood
pressure
drop
right.
So
the
other
thing
is
the
harmony
that's
created
in
a
japanese
garden.
C
If
you
visit
a
japanese
garden
and
you
overall
you'll
see
that
the
total
nut
total
number
types
of
plants
might
only
be
six
eight
or
ten
and
the
reason
they
keep
it,
a
small
number
is
to
create
the
harmony
between
the
plants.
There's
water
features,
there's
sound,
there's
smells
there's
textures
for
the
the
meditative
and
therapeutic
aspects
of
the
garden,
so
it's
very
specifically
designed
in
the
way
that
the
trees
are
bonsaied
or
are
trimmed
and
planted,
and
so
much
so
and
I'm
learning
too.
C
So
I
said:
okay,
we'll
control
that,
but
but
it's
it
is
very
specific
so
that
when
you
go
in
and
the
spiritual
feeling
that
you
feel
when
you're
in
that
garden,
I
don't
believe
you
know
there.
Well,
there
are
other
asian
gardens
that
are
similar,
but
you
know
a
russian
garden
and
an
english
garden
like
think
of
an
english
garden
or
a
french
garden.
Those
are
very
rigid.
You
know
pathways
plants
are
everything's
symmetrical,
it's
not
so
in
a
japanese
garden.
Because
of
that.
A
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
climate
in
japan,
never
having
been
there
or
read
about
it.
So
my
question
is:
is
climate
differences
between
kentucky
and
japan
and
issue.
C
No
similar
right,
depending
on
which
part
of
japan
right
same
with
the
states
north
south,
but
similar
the
interesting
thing
is,
we
will
be
using
plants
that
we
get
in
kentucky
or
in
this
region
to
be
in
our
japanese
garden.
So
you
could
come
to
our
japanese
garden,
learn
how
to
use
native
plants
in
your
garden
to
create
a
japanese
garden.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today
and
and
giving
this
presentation
is
always
fascinating
to
hear
what
you're
doing
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
and
then
a
comment.
I'll
start
with
the
comment.
First,
I
think
it's
exciting
that
you're
going
to
expect
about
400
000
folks
over
the
course
of
a
year
to
come.
B
I
think,
given
all
that
has
happened
in
the
louisville
metro
area
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
being
able
to
develop
downtown
louisville
and
attract
people
there
I
think
is,
is
going
to
be
part
of
rehabilitating
that
image,
and
so
I
think,
that's
important
with
400
000
people
come
the
the
the
task
and
of
logistically
parking
for
them.
So
I
don't
know
if
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
past.
If
we
have,
I
don't
rem,
I
don't
recall
the
discussion,
but
how
about
parking
kind
of
fill
me
in
on
parking
for
that?
B
As
someone
who
is
frequently
in
downtown,
I
know
that
can
be
an
issue.
So
if
you
can
just
kind
of
fill
us
in
a
little
bit
on
on
the
parking
aspect
of
of
the
botanical
gardens
so.
C
Thank
you
for
that.
You
think
like
I
do,
because
I
hear
that
number
I
think,
oh,
my
gosh,
how
do
we
get
them
through
tickets
and
everything?
So,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we
just
closed
on
4.6
acre
site
right
across
the
street
from
the
gardens
that
we
purchased
from
waterfront
development
corporation.
C
It's
actually
been
a
deal
in
the
works
for
many
years.
It
just
takes
that
long.
Part
of
the
reason
is
everything
that
we're
sitting
on
and
everything
that
parking
lot
is
sitting
on
were
it
was
private
property
and
neighborhoods.
So
we
had
to
close
all
those
deeds
and
you
know,
make
sure
everything
was
clear,
but
that
is
our
future
parking
lot.
C
It
will
need
to
be
built
with
phase
two
right
now.
We
do
have
a
large
parking
area
on
the
site
right
in
the
middle
of
the
the
gardens,
but
that
will
go
away.
Those
will
be
gardens
in
the
future,
and
parking
will
be
right
across
the
street
when
you
just
come
up
into
the
entrance
and
get
your
ticket
drop
off
area.
That
kind
of
thing
right
now
the
plan
is
that
that
lot
would
hold
about
300
cars,
but
there
is
discussion
about.
C
B
B
C
C
Those
are
obviously
the
kinds
of
things
we
do
have
a
lot
of
private
support
a
lot,
but
there
aren't
too
many
donors
that
are
going
to
give
you
money
for
a
foundation
or
a
drainage
issue
or
a
new
road
and
then
bringing
the
utilities
in
is
very
expensive,
also
again:
landfill,
no
utilities.
We
have
to
bring
it
all
in.
So
that's
that's
the
ask.
C
A
one-time
request
to
get
what
we
need
to
move
on
to
phase
two
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
encourage
donors
and
and
show
donors
to
support
the
pretty
part
of
it.
B
C
So
I
will
say,
the
financial
support
has
not
been
there,
but
the
we
collaborate
with
them
on
a
lot
of
things
and
and
again
looking
to
collaborate
with
metro
and
jcps
on
a
future
adjacent
project,
so
bill
hollander,
we're
in
bill
hollander's
district
he's
very
supportive.
C
A
Do
any
remote
members
have
a
question?
You
all
have
been
very
quiet
all
day
today.
A
It
and
we'll
see
about
the
1.2
million,
won't
we,
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
congratulate
senator
schroeder
on
the
birth
of
the
new
baby.
I
should
have
done
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
for
that
I
apologize
senator
schroeder,
but
congratulations
we're
all
very
happy
for
you
hey.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it,
mr
chair.
F
A
That's
always
a
good
thing.
It
really
is
so
happy
for
you
guys
we
will
not
have
an
october
meeting.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
november.
The
16th
I'm
disappointed
too,
because
I
really
love
these
early
meetings
with
that.