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D
E
Present
and
I
believe
we
have
a
quorum
to
do
business,
okay,
so,
first
off,
I
want
to
start
off
we're
very
excited
to
be
here
today
and
something
a
little
different
is
that
we
have
an
official
staff
person
for
the
commission,
and
so
I
would
like
to
introduce
brandon
white
right
here
to
my
left.
F
Again,
my
name
is
brandon
white.
I've
worked
for
legislative
research
commission
for
22
years.
I
started
off
as
a
legislative
courier.
While
I
was
an
undergrad
at
kentucky
state
university,
I
got
an
undergrad
degree,
went
and
got
my
master's
degree
joined
the
transportation
committee
in
2006,
where
I
served
until
last
month
when
I
got
this
position
excited
about
it
and
just
happy
to
be
here,
and
while
I
have
a
public
forum
mama,
I
love
ya.
E
I
I
am
sure
your
mama
is
very
proud
of
you,
as
probably
as
my
mom,
who
is
watching
this,
because
my
mom
watches
k-e-t
on
the
regular
so
anyways.
I
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
just
do
a
fresh
reminder
of
what
the
purpose
of
the
commission
is
about.
We
did
this
last
interim
too,
just
kind
of
making
sure
that
we
stay
on
focus.
E
The
the
commission
can
have
a
broad
range
of
topics
that
we
could
get
that
we
could
talk
about,
but
it
is
important
we
stay
focused,
so
we
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
work
that
we're
called
to
do.
The
purpose
of
the
commission
shall
be
to
conduct
studies
and
research
on
issues
where
disparities
may
exist
across
the
sectors
of
educational
equity,
child
welfare,
health,
economic
opportunity,
juvenile
justice,
criminal
justice
and
any
other
sectors
that
are
deemed
relevant
in
an
effort
to
identify
areas
of
improvement
and
providing
services
and
opportunities
for
minority
communities.
E
G
Coach,
your
heaven,
thank
you
and
it's
good
to
be
well,
it's
good
to
be
in
the
interim
for
those
of
us
that
serve
in
the
legislature.
The
interim
is
a
nice
place
to
be,
and
for
those
of
you
that
are
joining
us.
Thank
you
for
thank
you
for
being
here
on
this
committee.
If
it's
appropriate,
co-chair
hebron,
I'd
like
for
the
members
to
reintroduce
themselves,
many
of
us
know
each
other.
G
Brandon
and
staff
have
very
wisely
put
a
document
in
our
packet
with
photos
of
everybody,
but
if
we
could
start,
is
it
not
in
the
packet?
Okay,
we'll
make
sure
we'll
make
sure
you
get
a
copy
at
the
next
meeting
so
that,
if
you
don't
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
members
at
large
or
one
of
the
one
of
the
public
members
that
you
can
put
a
face
and
a
name
together
on
a
regular
basis,
mr
davis,
if
we
could
start
with
you
with
an
introduction
that
would
be.
That
would
be
superb.
Sir.
C
No
problem,
thank
you.
My
name
is
jamir
davis.
I
am
the
vice
president
of
northern
kentucky
community
action.
Commission
I've
been
on
this
committee
for
about
a
year
now
and
I've
thoroughly
enjoyed
the
work
that
that
we
are
doing,
and
I
look
forward
to
doing
the
work
in
this
interim
session.
I
am
a
practicing
attorney.
That's
what
I
do
for
a
living.
Don't
hold
that
against
me,
but
I'm
just
happy
to
be
here
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
D
Hello,
everybody,
my
name
is
oj
oleka.
I
have
the
honor
of
being
the
president
of
the
association
of
independent
kentucky
colleges
and
universities,
a
proud
member
of
this
commission
and
was
one
of
the
folks
who
fought
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
could
have
this
body
as
a
part
of
our
institution
in
government.
H
B
Hello,
I'm
representative
george
brown.
I
represent
the
double
sevens
of
fayette
county,
the
77th
district
and
the
prime
member.
This
is
my
second
year
on
this
committee
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
in
kentucky
as
as
well
as
these
united
states,
things
are
shifting
and
tilting,
and
hopefully
our
conversations
will
lead
to
some
productive
transformations
for
our
state.
I
Whitney
westerfield
senator
from
the
third
district
now
covering
all
of
caldwell,
christian
and
muhlenberg
counties,
race
and
issues
involving
race,
particularly
in
the
justice
system,
has
been
something
I've
been
working
on
for
a
few
years,
though
not
as
long
as
a
lot
of
others
in
this
body
and
in
the
the
general
assembly
and
I'm
honored
to
be
a
part
of
the
commission,
glad
that
it
was
created
and
look
forward
to
seeing
the
fruits
of
the
work
here.
Thank
you.
J
Kelly
timmy
state
representative
45th
district.
This
is
my
second
year
on
the
on
the
on
the
commission
and
I'm
very
excited
to
be
here.
My
background
is
in
k-12
education.
I've
been
employed
in
elementary
schools,
middle
schools
and
high
schools
worked
across
all
demographics
from
low
ses
schools
to
affluent
schools.
So
I
have
a
lot
of
perspective
as
far
as
providing
opportunities
and
I'd
like
to
see
us
really
kind
of
make
some
headway.
This
interim
and
see
some
see
some
fruit
to
the
labor
of
of
the
interim.
When
we
get
into
next
session.
G
In
light
of
that,
the
co-chair
and
I
and
putting
together
this
first
meeting,
felt
a
great
place
to
start
last
year
was
sort
of
a
formative
year
for
us
on
the
commission,
and
this
is
a
creature,
that's
a
little
different.
This
is
a
space
where
and
we
touched
on
it
some
last
year.
The
conversations
are
not
always
going
to
be
easy
and
comfortable,
but
I'm
hopeful
they
will
always
be
respectful,
and
I
feel
like
that.
That
was
the
case
last
year
and
I'm
hopeful
it
will
be
the
case
again.
G
So
I'm
not
going
to
read
verbatim
everything
off
of
the
list,
but
I'm
going
to
highlight
some
and
if
this
rings
a
bell
with
you,
please
ask
to
be
recognized
by
the
chair
and
speak
to
why
this
legislation
is
something
that
that
you
felt
was
important
or
that
you
may
have
issue
with,
and
the
first
on
our
list
is
house
bill.
31
senate
bill
363
the
crown
act
on
the
senate
side.
It
was
sent
to
education
on
the
house
side.
It
was
reported
favorably
out
of
the
house
judiciary
committee.
G
It
or
no,
no
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
go
down
the
path
of
hey.
I
support
it
or
hey.
I
don't
support
it.
I
think
I
think
if
and
I
we
don't
have
to
speak
about
every
one
of
them,
but
if
there's
one
that
stands
out
to
you,
you
may
even
scan
ahead
on
the
list
and
put
a
star
by
it
and
when
we
come
to
that
one,
if
it's
an
area
of
passion
for
you
speak
to
it,
senator.
I
Well,
this
one,
this
one
is
important.
I
candidly
was
asked
to
carry
the
bill
in
the
senate,
but
my
plate
was
was
overflowing
as
it
was.
I
think
it's
important
and
I
think
it's
one
that
enjoys
a
lot
of
support,
so
I
would
hope
to
see
it
get
make
final
passage
in
23..
I
I
I
believe
it
it's
low-hanging
fruit.
So
to
speak.
I
don't
think
there's
a
ton
of
controversy
around
it,
but
perhaps
I'm
mistaken.
D
I
also
think
that
this
particular
bill
is
important
for
a
lot
of
the
things
that
senator
westerfield
mentioned,
but
to
kind
of
go
into
detail
about
why
this
particular
bill
is
important
again.
The
crownoc
prevents
hair
related
discrimination
at
workplaces
and
schools.
This
might
sound
like
one
of
those
silly
mundane
things.
You
ask
the
question:
why
should
government
be
involved
in
this
kind
of
activity?
D
Something
like
your
hair,
isn't
something
that
you
can
control
it's,
not
something
that
you
can
necessarily
change
in
terms
of
the
texture
and
the
nature
of
it.
It's
something
that
you're
born
with,
and
this
is
something
that
for
young
kids
in
a
lot
of
ways:
young
girls
more
particularly
black
girls,
oftentimes,
get
picked
on
for
have
to
deal
with
in
terms
of
people
not
viewing
their
hair
and
who
they
are
as
a
full
part
of
their
person.
That
can
manifest
itself
in
terms
of
discrimination.
D
If
you
have
your
hair,
a
certain
way,
you're
not
and
you're
not
allowed
to
wear
it
like
that
in
school,
because
the
rule
says
you
can't,
you
then
could
potentially
lose
confidence
in
yourself.
You
don't
get
to
be
your
full
person
in
a
way
that
can
help
you
focus
better
in
school
if
you're
a
happier
kid.
D
I
know,
that's
just
having
been
a
teacher
before,
if
you
are
a
happier
student
you're
more
likely
to
do
well,
if
you
believe
that
your
teachers
in
your
school
support
you
and
who
you
are
you're
more
likely
to
do
well.
So
if
you
are
a
kid
whose
hair
is
in
braids
or
whose
hair
is
in
dreadlocks
or
whose
hair
is
in
a
different
hair,
that
is
not
straight
and
thin
in
its
texture
and
because
of
how
you
style
it.
D
If
you
go
to
a
place
of
work
and
you're
trying
to
get
a
new
job,
a
new
career,
obviously
with
the
economy,
the
way
that
it
is
it
is
a
labor
market.
People
are
looking
for
new
jobs
all
the
time.
If
you
cannot
be
with
your
hair,
something
that
you
were
born
with
in
the
way
that
you
want
it
to
be
because
there's
discrimination,
then
there
becomes
a
challenge
in
terms
of
you
bringing
your
full
self
to
work.
D
So
these
are
the
little
things
that
I
think
that
this
commission
can
help
illuminate,
because
if
these
are
things
that
you
don't
have
to
think
about,
then
you
don't
think
about
them.
But
if
you
think
about
them
every
day,
then
they
can
be
the
types
of
things
that
hold
you
back
from
success.
So
I
I
think
that
this
is
good,
that
the
commission
is
looking
at
this
particular
bill.
G
G
It
appears
we
had
bipartisan
sponsors
on
this
legislation.
Senator
berg,
you
were
one
of
the
sponsors
co-sponsors,
creating
a
new
section
of
krs-532
to
provide
an
enhanced
term
of
imprisonment
for
any
defendant
convicted
of
certain
crimes
when
the
defendant
intentionally
selected
the
person
because
of
that
person's
actual
or
perceived
race,
color,
ethnicity,
national
origin,
religion,
mental
or
physical
disability,
gender
identity
or
expression
or
sexual
orientation.
G
G
Senate
bill
163
to
leak
the
requirement.
This
was
an
interesting
piece
of
legislation.
It
took
a
lot
of
twists
and
turns
if
you
followed
this
one
in
the
legislature,
similar
163,
deleting
the
requirement
that
an
eligible
high
school
student
and
eligible
postsecondary
student
not
be
a
convicted
felon
for
keys
eligibility
purposes.
G
Final
version
passed
and
staff
white
you'll
have
to
help
me
to
understand
past
flip
to
the
original
intent
and
it
reduced
educational
opportunities.
I
knew
there
was
confusion
about
the
bill
language
by
the
end
turn
your
microphone
on
there
as
you
speak.
F
So
I
think
the
original
bill
deleted
the
language
convicted
felon
and
I
think,
by
the
time
it
ended
up,
there
were
offenses
that
didn't
qualify
and
also
deleted
that
language.
So,
instead
of
just
a
blanket
coverage,
they
added
other
offenses
that
you
cannot
get
this
money
through.
G
I
was
involved
in
some
of
the
work
on
this
legislation.
Senator
storm
was
a
primary
sponsor
and
this
one
was
interesting
to
me
in
the
sense
that
a
student
to
be
eligible
for
keys,
you
have
to
have
graduated
from
high
school
to
cash
in
the
keys
money.
You
have
to
also
have
accumulated
keys
money
along
the
way,
and
you
have
a
time
limit,
limited
period
for
which
you
can
cash
in
that
keys
money.
G
G
But
once
you
are
imprisoned,
you
lose
the
right
to
access
to
that
money,
and
so
we
had
a
robust
debate
discussion
on
the
senate
side.
I
think
the
house
did
as
well.
There
was
some
confusion
on
the
language,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
may
come
back
again
in
the
end.
As
you
can
see,
it
was
vetoed
by
the
governor
in
its
entirety
and
it
was
not
one
we
chose
to
take
up
and
and
try
to
override.
J
The
chairman,
can
I
speak
on
that
momentarily?
Yes,
I
was.
I
sponsored
the
house
version
of
that
in
2021..
J
That's
a
really
really
important.
It's
a
really
important
piece,
and
I
know
that
the
people
who
speak,
who
can
speak
much
more
eloquently
on
people
returning
to
the
workplace
and
returning
to
normal
life
after
being
incarcerated.
J
One
of
the
things
one
of
the
arguments
that
we
would
get
pushed
back
on
was
that.
Well,
why
are
rewarding
felons
and
that's
the
argument
with
this?
Is
why
are
you
rewarding
someone
for
committing
a
felon,
a
felony
and
my
response?
There
was
I'm
really
big
on
giving
analogies
it's
like.
Well,
if
you
were
an
ac
repair
person
and
you
purchased
through
you're,
going
through
vocational
training,
and
you
accumulated
all
the
necessary
tools
and
equipment
required
to
be
an
hvac
repair
person
and
you
commit
a
felony.
J
J
J
J
When
you
are
tried-
and
you
are
given
a
consequence
by
a
judge
he
doesn't
say-
and
for
the
rest
of
your
life,
we
are
going
to
remove
any
financial
assistance
that
you've
already
earned
as
a
student.
That
you've
worked
hard
for
that.
You
worked
hard
on
the
act
in
order
to
have
more
money,
your
gpa,
all
of
those
things
that
you
can
use
for
state
schools,
because
we
want
you
to
be
here.
We
want
you
to
stay
here
and
use
that
money
to
be
to
make
our
community
stronger.
J
That's
why
I'm
such
a
passionate,
passionate
supporter
of
this
bill
of
this,
and
we
need
to
work
out.
There
was
a
technicality
in
there
and
we
did,
I
think,
the
timeline
it
was
after
the
veto
period.
I
know
that
we
would
have
fixed
it.
Had
it
been
happened
beforehand,
but
it
was.
There
was
an
oversight
there.
I
don't
see
this
as
one
that
will
fail
again,
for
whatever
reason
I
know
there
are
several
other
capacities.
J
You
know
using
keys
money
for
proprietary
schools,
for
vocational
schools
and
for
using
them
for
rotc
programs
that
we
do
not
offer
within
state
lines.
I
know
those
were
several
other
facets
that
were
part
of
that,
and
those
are
all
good
things
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at.
I
think
one
of
the
next
steps
too-
and
this
is
for
me,
is
that
you
know
I've.
I
when
was
the
last
time
keys
money
allotments
changed
it's
a
long
long
time
ago.
Well,
how
has
college
tuition
changed
since
then?
J
What's
gone
up
exponentially,
so
I
think
that
that's
a
next
step
that
would
fit
kind
of
part
of
that
discussion,
but
this
is
one
that's
really
really
important.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
when
people
are
released
and
have
done
the
required
consequence
for
their
crime
that
they
have
the
tools
needed
to
be
successful
and
to
plug
back
in
well.
G
Your
analogy
is
a
powerful
one.
I
had
not
thought
of
it
that
way,
but
that's
a
very
powerful
analogy.
Senator
berg
before
I
go
to
you
and
then
to
represent
brown.
Let
me
apologize
to
the
group.
I
was
working
off
an
initial
draft
that
brandon
had
given
us
about
a
month
ago,
and
I
can
understand
now
why
all
of
you
were
flipping
and
looking
and
scratching
and
digging.
H
I
just
have
a
question:
that's
a
little
relevant
to
this
discussion.
Last
night
I
was
a
number
of
us
were
at
a
meeting
with
search
committee
at
the
university
of
louisville
for
their
new
president,
and
they
were
actually
asking
us
as
as
elected
members.
What
the
key's
contribution
was
at
this
point.
How
much
can
you
max
on
it?
They
didn't
even
know
so
if
somebody
could
or
somebody
who
knows
that
per
semester
per
year,
2500
towards
tuition
towards
tuition.
J
You
I
believe
that
thank
you
there,
the
allotments
come
in
two
different
there's
this
when
they
look
at
the
equation,
there's
the
gpa
that
factors
for
one
amount
and
then
the
act,
the
score
that
you
get
on
the
act
factors
in
for
another
amount,
so
combined
max
total
of
2
500.
B
Mr
chair,
I
think
that
mr
chimney,
thank
you
that
a
great
example.
I
think
that,
as
we
talk
about
and
move
forward,
that
our
position
in
kentucky
in
the
commonwealth,
as
it
relates
to
ex-felons
is,
is
so
antiquated
that
we
put
them
in
a
position
that
they
cannot
succeed.
B
It
is
that,
once
you
have
committed
a
felony,
then
you
essentially
ostracize
you
have
the
scarlet
letter
on
your
forehead,
which
is
a
f
for
felon
and,
and
I
think
we
need
to
think
in
terms
of
how
we
can
help
people
be
successful
in
our
state
or
in
the
commonwealth
and
be
contributing
members
of
society
right
now.
That's
not
there.
We
essentially
ostracize
them
and-
and
we
essentially
condemn
them
back
to
doing
what
got
them
incarcerated
in
the
first
place.
G
All
right
very
well,
we
will
it's
probably
good.
We
just
warmed
up
with
the
easy
ones
anyway,
we're
going
to
dive
right
back
to
the
top
of
the
list
and
go
right
into
charter
schools
with
house
bill,
9.,
establishing
a
funding
mechanism
for
public
charter
schools.
We
had
a
great
robust
debate
and
discussion
about
this
piece
of
legislation
in
the
senate.
I'm
confident
the
house
did
too
any
members
wishing
to
speak
on
this
topic:
okay,
house,
bill,
37,
I'm
sorry,
representative
brown,.
B
I
have
a
fundamental
problem
with
house
bill:
nine
charter
schools,
the
constitution
of
the
commonwealth
says
that
we
have
a
responsibility
to
provide
a
a
a
public
education,
a
common
education
for
all
the
citizens
of
the
commonwealth,
and
that
is
simply
that
what
what
our
public
education
system
has
put
in
place
to
do.
B
B
First
to
the
eighth
grade,
I
was
in
a
parochial
school
and
my
mother
paid
tuition
for
me
to
go
there,
and
it
is
my
opinion
that
that
is
still
available
if
people
want
to
send
their
children
to
parochial
schools,
but
public
schools
to
take
public
money
to
fund
charter
schools
which
are
private
schools
is,
is
not
a
good
thing
for
me,
and
and-
and
the
second
thing
is-
is
that
the
the
charter
school
boards
who
are
in
the
business
of
making
money?
B
G
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
will
I'll
speak
in
favor
of
house
bill
9
briefly,
but
very
respectfully,
having
been
involved
in
the
work
on
that
on
the
senate
side,
especially
the
guard
rails
around
the
cherry.
Picking
are
very
robust
if
you
look
at
the
statutory
requirements
for
how
those
classes
must
be
how
those
students
must
be
drawn
and
selected.
G
It's
very
robust,
based
on
income
levels
based
on
on
relationship
to
what
the
initial
charter
is
filed,
to
have
to
have
done.
These
are
public
charter
schools
maintained
by
public
school
boards,
and
so
there
is
an
element
of
the
public
charter
space.
There
specific
to
your
concern,
and
again
I
say
this
with
great
respect
specific
to
your
concern
regarding
for-profit
entities,
making
a
profit.
G
I'm
thrilled
if
the
student
learns
I'm
thrilled.
If
the
student
learns
where
the
student
learns
as
a
result
of
the
mechanisms
of
a
for-profit
entity
or
a
public
school,
I'm
thrilled
a
public
school
meaning
what
we
call
today,
a
public
school.
I
don't
think
in
my
mind
we
should
get
hung
up
on
the
mechanism.
G
D
Just
a
quick
comment
on
on
the
general
idea
of
having
school
choice
as
a
mechanism,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing.
My
institutions
that
I
represent
are
private
colleges
and
universities,
and
we
just
had
a
great
conversation
about
the
benefit
of
keys
and
how
those
dollars
can
go
to
students
because
they
earned
them
keys
dollars.
The
kentucky
tuition
grants
the
college
access
program.
Those
are
all
dollars
that
follow
the
student.
D
The
student
makes
a
choice
to
go
to
a
public
or
private
university
based
in
a
lot
of
cases
because
of
their
preference
or
because
the
proximity,
or
because
of
what
makes
the
most
sense
for
them
getting
a
quality
education.
When
you
have
the
conversation
about
school
choices,
this
bill
certainly
does
it's
that
same
idea.
It's
that
a
student
in
a
family
should
be
able
to
make
the
decision
where
they
want
to
go
based
on
the
dollars
that
should
be
able
to
follow
them.
So
that's
how
I
look
at
this.
D
We
celebrate
it
with
the
gi
bill
with
veterans
when
they
make
their
decision.
That's
government
dollars
following
a
student
when
they
make
a
decision
for
college.
We
certainly
like
it
in
the
independent
higher
education
sector
when
you
have
the
keys
and
ktg
and
cap
dollars
that
follow
students.
I
think
that
this
could
be
no
different.
G
I
I
Now
that
was
a
religious
liberty
angle
on
that
because
of
the
nature-
and
this
was
out
of
maine-
I
mean,
but
because
it's
in
this
vein
I
I
thought
it
might
be
worth
highlighting
that
that's
something
that
might
cause
us
to
revisit
house
bill
nine
or
those
policy
decisions
going
forward.
Thank
you.
B
G
Great
that's
a
great
debate
and
discussion
and
question,
and
I
don't
think
there
is
specific
that
the
entity
has
to
turn
the
money
back
over
to
the
provider
or
the
authorizer.
I
don't
think
there's
language
that
requires
that
there
is
a
there
is
a
robust
element
of
reauthorization
that
has
to
happen.
I
think
it's
either
three
years
or
five
years.
G
E
I'm
gonna
whoop
you
with
this,
I'm
just
teasing,
it's
all
in
good
fun,
I'm
a
whoop
him
just
kind
of
of
what
you're
saying
I
know
I
was
a
cougar
grayson
county
all
the
way.
So
I
think
to
your
point,
I
mean
if
the
money
follows
a
student,
it
would
go
so
if
they
went
to
charter
schools
and
they
went
back
to
public
school,
then
wouldn't
the
money
go
back
to
the
public,
because
if
the.
B
G
G
Your
question,
yes,
that
is
correct.
It's
still
an
ada
model
with,
with
funding
that
that
does
base
on
attendance.
Yes,
that's
correct!
I
think
that.
B
G
E
I
am
not
familiar
with
it
either.
I
think
that
representative
scott,
maybe
I'm
looking
I'm
looking
at
the
aclu
back
there,
who
is
the
one
that
introduced
this
legislation,
the
maternal
care
care
act
for
implicit
bias,
yeah,
representative,
scott
okay?
That
is
something
I
know,
she's
very
passionate
about
and
last
year
I
want
to
point
out
yeah
last
year
in
2021
interim,
I
I
worked
on
legislation
for
maternal
mortality.
E
I'm
making
sure
that
we
get
the
data
for
that,
and
I
think
just
maternal
care
is
is
incredibly
important,
especially
with
everything
going
on
right
now
across
the
country,
but
making
sure
that
we've
got
that
we're
taking
care
of
new
moms
and
babies
and
making
sure
that
they're
in
the
best
position
possible.
E
I
don't
know
you
know
implicit
bias
is
such
a.
I
know
that
senator
westerfeld
and
I've
talked
about
implicit
bias
before
you
know,
so
I
would
like
to
look
at
the
the
legislation
just
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
do
think
it's
an
important
conversation
to
continue
to
have
with
maternal
mortality
and
maternal
care
for
new
mamas.
H
Senator
berg,
I
am
not
versed
on
this
particular
piece
of
legislation,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
the
maternal
mortality
rate
for
black
women
in
the
state
and
nationally,
not
just
in
the
state
but
is-
is
definitely
higher
and
the
thought
process
is
there
has
to
be
some.
H
Communication
barriers
that
people
may
not
be
aware
of
or
may
not
know
how
to
navigate
that
that
have
to
be
impacting
this
data
because,
as
far
as
we
know,
we're
not
taking
a
patient
based
on
the
color
of
their
skin
and
treating
them
differently.
But
we
know
the
outcomes
are
statistically
significantly
different.
E
It
is,
and
I
think,
senator
berg
so
house
bill
212
what
it
did
is
it
required
that
for
the
maternal
mortality
review
committee,
to
gather
information
of
geography,
demographics
and
income
yeah,
and
I
think
that
chfs
has
been
a
little
held
up
on
the
income
portion
because
they're
like
well,
we
don't
get
income,
and
so
I've
requested
back
to
them
that
if
they
could
just
even
recognize
if
they
were
a
medicaid
patient
or
not,
because
that
would
give
us
some
type
of
income
level
with
poverty.
E
And
so
I
think,
and
that's
something
that
chair
givens
and
I
have
talked
about
with
brandon-
is
what
legislation
have
we
passed
that
asks
for
data?
That's
not
actually
being
taken
care
of
by
the
cabinets
and
that
that's
not
a
specific
pension
administration
at
all?
That's
just
sometimes
there's
really
a
breakdown
between
having
conversations
of
what
we
do
in
the
legislature
versus
what
actually
gets
done
in
the
executive
branch.
E
So
having
those
conversations-
and
I
think
in
october-
we're
really
going
to
try
to
focus
on
health
outcomes
the
month
of
october.
So
in.
G
B
G
October
meeting
on
health
outcomes
and
child
welfare,
so
if
you
wish
to
dig
deeper
into
this
question,
find
us
a
really
good
speaker
that
you
want
to
bring
and
that's
something
all
members
should
know
the
chairs
choose
the
speaker,
but
we
are
always
open
to
input
from
any
of
the
members
and
would
welcome
input
from
you.
So
if
you
have
a
presenter,
bring
that
presenter
to
brandon
he'll
get
the
name
to
us,
we'll
interview
the
presenter
and
be
glad
to
proceed
from
there
anything
else
on
this
one
before
we
move
on
thanks.
Sarah.
H
If
I
may
respond
for
a
second
that
sounds
good
data
is
very
important,
and
the
collection
of
data
is
very
important.
The
truth
is
on
some
of
these
issues,
particularly
maternal
mortality,
death
rates
in
black
patients
versus
white
patients.
We
have
the
data
we.
G
H
These
are
so
significantly
multifactorial
that
to
try
to
actually
find
which
common
denominator,
particularly
in
the
sample
size
that
we're
talking
about
which
isn't
going
to
be
a
large
enough
sample
size,
can
be
overwhelmingly
difficult.
And
you
can
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
energy
trying
to
prove
something
that
you
already
know
exists.
G
Years
so
to
your
point-
and
I
was
about
to
make
the
very
same
statement
that
you
made
in
a
different
way
and
I'm
glad
I
stopped
because
you
made
it
very
eloquently
in
almost
all
these
difficult
issues-
there's
never
going
to
be
a
single
silver
answer.
That
says
you
fix
me
and
the
problem
is
solved.
It's
going
to
be
a
multifaceted,
many
many
different
confluences
of
things
coming
together
to
create
that
problem,
but
keep
that
meeting
in
mind
in
october
we're
going
to
keep
moving.
We
got
about
15
minutes.
G
We
can
certainly
run
over,
but
we
don't
want
to
run
over
too
much
house
bill
120.
I
was
looking
at
the
list
of
sponsors.
This
was
an
impressive
list
of
bipartisan
sponsors
seeking
to
expand
eligibility
for
preschool
education
programs
to
children
who
reside
in
households
with
an
income
at
or
below
200
of
the
federal
poverty
level.
I
presume
that
was
raising
that
to
the
200
percent
federal
poverty
level.
G
I
think
we've
got
a
college
going
rate
that
continues
to
just
slide
a
little
lower
and
I'm
not
saying
college
has
to
be
the
choice
of
everybody,
but
if
we
can
get
students
to
complete
which,
if
you've
ever
done,
it
is
a
nightmare
of
a
challenge,
senator
westerfield
for
those
that
have
young
children,
you
might
want
to
start
studying
now
on
how
to
complete
the
fafsa.
It
is
a
monster.
E
G
There's
a
there's,
a
federal
and
I
I
won't
get
the
acronym
exactly
right,
but
it
is
a
very
thorough
analysis
and
if
someone
in
the
education
space
can
can't
explain
this
more
elegantly
than
me,
please
interrupt
me,
but
you
go
through
all
of
your
income,
all
of
your
peripheral
income.
What
you've
reported
on
your
taxes,
any
gifts
from
anybody
in
the
world?
That's
ever
given
you
anything,
and
this
is
a
federally
filed
document
that
basically
qualifies
you
for
financial
aid.
Dr
olaka,
can
you
add
to
that.
D
I
can't
add
to
this
actually,
thankfully
senator
westerfield,
those
of
us
who
do
have
younger
kids.
They
just
simplified
the
fafsa.
They.
G
D
That
that
is
a
fact,
but
cochair
givens
is
correct.
It
is.
It
is
the
way
that
students
who
want
to
go
to
college
or
any
post-secondary
anything
can
get
the
most
aid
possible.
The
part
that
obviously,
is
most
concerning
to
folks,
if
you
require
it,
is
that
people
will
have
to
give
out
information
they
don't
want
to
give
out.
There
are
waivers.
D
There
are
ways
that
you
can
not
have
to
fill
out
the
fafsa
if
it
is
a
great
burden
or
great
challenge
for
you
in
terms
of
making
it
a
graduation
requirement,
which
is
the
case
here
in
house
bill
126
the
benefit
for
those
who
do
fill
it
out
is
that
they
see
that
they
have
access
to
a
that.
They
didn't
know
that
they
had
access
to
a
lot
of
students,
decide
not
to
go
to
college
or
stop
out
of
college
because
they
can't
afford
it.
D
But
if
you
are
a
student
who
does
well
academically
in
kentucky-
and
you
come
from
a
low-income
background-
and
I
can
only
speak
for
the
private
institutions
that
I
represent-
you
can
get
up
to
thirty
thousand
dollars
of
non-loan
aid
to
be
able
to
go
to
college,
which
is
incredibly
significant
and
can
make
college
affordable
for
you.
That's
the
benefit
of
filling
out.
The
fafsa
is
that
you
now
see
that
as
an
option
for
you.
So
that's
what
this
bill
is
attempting
to
do.
D
It
has
come
up
in
a
number
of
different
forms.
A
couple
different
states,
I
believe
illinois
louisiana
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
have
passed
this
before
and
they've
seen
a
little
bit
of
uptick
kentucky
for
its
part
does
rather
well
in
fafsa
completion.
Again,
we've
seen
a
a
slide
for
the
obvious
reasons:
kids
weren't
in
school,
it's
the
place
where
they
typically
fill
it
out,
but
the
hope
is
that
this
could
improve
and
get
a
little
bit
better
and
a
bill
like
this
could
potentially
help
in
that
effort.
H
Sternberg
and
last
night
I
met
with
the
board
of
directors
the
university
of
louisville
and
their
one.
This
was
their
one.
Ask
of
us
was,
could
we
please
require
fafsa
be
filled
out
in
high
school?
It
was
the
one
ask
of
their
representatives
and
legislators
that
were
there
last
night.
Could
we
please
require
this?
That
alabama
has
done
it.
If
alabama
can
do
it,
kentucky
can
do
it.
H
G
It
was
their
one
ass
great
if
it
appears
from
the
lrc
website
that
representative
reilly
was
the
primary
sponsor,
if
any
of
you
run
into
him,
make
a
mental
note
to
let
him
know
that
we
talked
about
it
in
this
committee
that
there's-
and
I
will
also,
as
I
cross
paths
with
him
since
he
and
I
overlap
house
and
senate
districts.
I
will
certainly
do
that.
A
an
approach
to
consider
dr
olaka,
because
I
think
your
point
about
a
requirement
for
high
school
graduation
or
completion
is
a
high
bar.
G
Maybe
an
approach
to
consider
is:
let's
roll
it
into
the
high
school
accountability
model,
the
school
accountability
model
for
all
of
these
schools.
The
rate
of
fafsa
completion
becomes
one
of
the
many
metrics
rolled
into
that
school
accountability
model,
thus
providing
some
positive
incentive
to
the
schools
to
get
this
done
without
penalizing
the
students
that
face
barriers
beyond
what
we
might
know.
Okay
house
bill,
131
allow
governing
bodies
consolidated
local
government
to
implement
rent
control
ordinances
in
a
developing
area.
G
Any
member
with
any
knowledge
on
that
one
house,
bill
250,
had
a
lot
of
debate
and
discussion
and-
and
I
think,
we've
arrived
at
a
great
place
house
bill,
250
being
the
ksu
legislation
was
reading
in
the
local
frankfurt
paper
last
night,
the
four
interim
candidates
they
have
and
all
four
look
like
rock
stars.
G
I
was
really
impressed
by
the
quality
of
the
interim
candidates
that
they've
they
brought
in
to
look
at
turning
this
institution
around.
So
I'm
very
hopeful
in
that.
I
was
also
informed
today
that
next
month,
representative
tipton
will
be
chairing
the
subcommittee,
the
appropriations
revenue
subcommittee
on
the
house
side,
and
they
will
be
bringing
some
ksu
speakers
in.
So
if
you
have
interest
in
that
topic,
members
please
stay
tuned.
G
That's
an
interesting
one!
I
had
not
that
had
not
been
on
my
radar
until
you,
mr
smith,
put
it
on
my
radar,
so
thank
you,
mr
white
put
it
on
my
radar.
Thank
you
for
doing
that.
Any
members
speak
to
that.
One
sin
bill
10,
established
temporary
work,
permit
requirements
for
a
registered
nurse
who
is
a
graduate
of
foreign
nursing
school.
G
Now,
that's
an
interesting
one
in
light
of
the
challenges
that
we've
had
with
staffing
and
certainly
could
have
some
overlap
into
minority
communities,
a
fine
line
to
walk.
We
talked
about
it
a
lot
in
the
legislative
session
about
the
need
to
make
sure
that
that
we
get
these
hospitals
and
offices
staffed,
but
we
also
have
to
have
them
staffed
with
talented
competent
people,
because
there
is
a
sense
that
government
is
credentialing
these
folks,
a
right
sense.
That
government
is
credentialing
these
folks
and
we
don't
want
to
put
just
anyone
into
those
those
very
important
positions.
G
Senate
bill
103
require
racial
and
ethnic
community,
criminal
justice
and
public
safety
impact
statements
for
certain
legislation.
Administrative
regulations-
that's
a
good
segue
into
a
conversation
that
I'm
going
to
press
brandon
to
to
grab
the
microphone
and
talk
about
because
brandon
in
his
new
role
here.
As
our
committee
staff
administrator,
is
also
going
to
have
action
to
do
and
and
he
serves
as
a
resource
in
the
midst
of
a
session.
F
Yes
I'll
be
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
have,
but
at
the
same
time
I'm
going
to
leave
my
opinion
in
that
overall
opinion.
But
if
you
have
any
questions
on
any
legislation,
just
come
and
see
me
or
call
me.
I'm
available.
G
So
that's
a
really
good
point.
Brandon
still
wears
the
hat
that
all
of
our
lrc
people
so
talentedly
wear,
which
is
that
nonpartisan
hat
he's
not
going
to
weigh
in
and
say
you
really
need
to
do
this,
but
if
you
say
to
him,
I'm
really
interested
in
doing
this.
What
would
be
the
impact
in
your
opinion?
G
He
can
do
some
research
and
provide
some
information,
and
then
I
would
mention
to
dr
olaka
and
to
mr
davis.
If
either
of
you
have
need
for
information,
the
lrc
folks
are
phenomenal
at
research
I
mean
they
are
gangbusters
at
finding
out
fact-based
answers
to
questions
so
take
advantage
of
that
opportunity.
G
B
I
may
miss
the
chair,
please,
mr
I
thank
you
this
opportunity
to
just
talk
about
the
lrc
and
its
staff.
They
are
absolutely
awesome.
Coming
from
local
government
to
state
government,
we
have
the
resources
to
get
the
answers
that
we
need
and
to
help
us
move
legislation
forward
and
to
serve
the
citizens
of
the
commonwealth.
J
G
And
I
think
they're
a
great
shout
out
and
I
think
they're
one
of
the
best
kept
secrets
in
kentucky
because
I
didn't
had
no
clue
had
no
clue
a
very,
very
talented
group
of
folks
and
we
appreciate
their
work
day
in
and
day
out,
all
right.
We've
talked
about
163
senate
bill
173,
requiring
translation
of
the
medical
orders
of
scope
of
treatment
form
into
spanish
and
any
other
languages
as
needed,
so
that
one
any
of
you
have
any
comments
on
that.
G
Before
I
make
a
comment,
it
saddens
me
that
we
even
have
to
legislate
that
this
happens
it.
This
is.
This
is
something
that
could
have
been
done
easily
in
regs
and
I'm
I'm
scratching
my
head
wondering
why
it
wasn't
already
done
in
regulations,
because
we
seem
to
be
prolific
in
our
promulgation
of
regulations
that
create
barriers.
Why
wouldn't
we
want
to
create
and
promulgate
regulations
that
lower
barriers,
but
that
that
being
what
it
is
it
passed
and
was
signed
by
the
governor
into
law.
C
Can
I
say
one
please,
please
do
yes,
please.
I
agree
with
you
100
on
that
in
my
former
role
as
executive
director
of
the
office
for
civil
rights,
it
was
my
duty
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
forms
that
the
transportation
cabinet
had
were
available
in
spanish,
right
and
and
when
I
speak
to
not
only
this
legislation
but
the
other
legislation
that
we've
talked
about
when
it
comes
to
house
bill,
31
and
house
bill
37
and
me
practicing
as
a
civil
rights
attorney.
C
The
thing
that
I
see
most
is
is
usually
there's
not
one
big,
egregious
action
right,
there's
just
small
little
actions
that
lead
to
differential
treatment
of
an
individual.
So
when
we
have
low
hanging
fruit
like
this
bill
and
also
like
senate
bill,
I
mean
house
bill
31,
we
have
to
take
action.
We
have
to
take
action
fast.
So
I
just
I
thank
this
commission
and
I
thank
the
legislators
and
everyone
who
who
has
acted
fast
on
both
of
those
bills.
G
Mr
davis,
thank
you
for
your
kind
words
on
the
next
one,
you're
probably
going
to
want
to
retract
those
words,
because
it
appears
on
the
next
one
that
we
didn't
act
so
swiftly
and
judiciously,
but
no
in
all
seriousness.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
and
for
your
insights
there
senate
bill
238,
senator
berg.
I
think
you
were
a
co-sponsor
on
this
one
cosmetology
exams
available
in
multiple
languages.
G
I'm
intrigued
by
mr
davis
comments
and
are
we
inadvertently
not
with
purpose
not
with
bad
intent
but
inadvertently,
creating
barriers
for
people
that
we
don't
realize,
we're
creating
and
that
that
wouldn't
be
rocket
science
to
translate
that
exam
into
another
language?
I
wouldn't
think
so:
symbol
265.
G
that
was
one
I
sponsored
that
was
part
of
the
turnaround
in
the
process
whereby
we
reconstituted
the
board,
give
credit
to
the
governor
on
that.
He
worked
with
us
to
do
that
swiftly
to
get
them,
get
them
approved
and
and
get
them
signed
off
on.
While
we
were
in
session
and
get
this
turnaround
moving
in
the
right
direction.
So
again,
265
ksu
we've
got
three
left
on
my
list
senate
bill,
319,
create
and
appropriate
to
a
black
and
minority
contractor
assistance
fund
senate
bill
319.
Anyone
with
knowledge
on
that
one.
B
Yeah
I'd
I'd
just
like
to
commend
the
state
in
looking
to
to
deal
with
the
minority,
purchasing
and
diverse,
increasing
diverse,
spend
we
spend
billions
of
dollars
and
and
our
diverse
vendors
are,
I
think,
in
a
lot
of
instances
locked
out
of
the
possibility
of
participating
in
in
procurement
with
the
state
and-
and
I
think
in
a
lot
of
instances,
because
we
do
what
we
do
the
way
we
do
it
and
the
way
we've
always
done
it
that
we're
not
sure
in
a
lot
of
instances
of
getting
the
best
price
and
or
the
best
service,
and
and
certainly
that
we
could.
B
We
could
enhance
the
possibilities
for
growing
the
diverse
vendor
base
in
our
state.
If
we
were
to
be
more
flexible
in
in
that
in
that
realm,.
G
Great
any
other
member
seeking
recognition
on
this
piece
of
legislation.
Thank
you,
representative
brown.
Next,
on
our
list
is
senate
bill
331.
It
appears
to
have
been
sponsored
by
senator
neil
eligible
defendants
shall
not
be
detained
on
money,
bail,
senator
westfield.
You
have
any
comments
on
that
legislation.
I
Legislation,
no,
I
don't
not
not
brief.
That's
a
that's
a
debate.
We
need
to
continue
to
have
until
we
don't
need
to
have
the
debate
anymore,
that
that's
a
that's
a
big
mess
and
we
need
it
needs
to
be
reformed.
I
think
there
are
constitutional
issues
with
money
bail,
but
that's
important.
G
I
G
B
I'd
just
like
to
get
more
information
on
that,
because
it
appears
that
with
the
bail
system,
what
we
have
is
that
poor
people
go
to
jail
and
people
that
have
resources,
don't
and
because
of
the
bail
bond
system.
And
you
know.
Hopefully
we
can
maybe
you-
and
I
can
talk
about
that
and
maybe
talk
about
that.
A
little
bit
more.
I
Thankfully
we
don't
have
bail,
bondsmen
state
government
general
assembly
in
the
governor's
office
back.
I
guess
the
70s
fix
that
problem
and
we
are
blessed
by
not
having
that
extra
burden,
because
that
creates
another
political
layer
of
trouble
to
making
reform.
The
bottom
line
is
that
you've
got
judges
and
prosecutors
who
don't
take
positions
on
this?
Isn't
universal?
I
The
example
most
recent
example
that
comes
to
mind
it
was
in
louisville
a
few
years
ago,
but
there
was
a
guy
that
didn't
didn't
rank
as
a
serious
offender
at
all
and
he
was
released
pre-trial
on
some
measure
of
bail
and
then
went
out
and
committed
murder
all
worried
and
that's
an
if
you
were
to
map
every
bail
decision.
Our
judges
statewide
do
every
single
day
the
vast
majority
of
them
work
out
exactly
the
way
that
the
judges
anticipated
the
prosecutors
wanted.
I
The
vast
majority
of
cases
work
out
just
fine,
but
we
legislate,
as
we
often
do
to
the
edge
case,
that
one
outlier
that
just
just
was
an
atrocious
thing
and
no
judge
or
elected
prosecutor
wants
to
run
for
office
again
by
being
the
judge
or
the
prosecutor
that
oversaw
or
blessed
the
release
of
this
person.
That
goes
and
does
something
horrific,
and
so
they
have
that
discretion.
Today.
The
the
constitutional
issue
is,
because
is
the
one
that
you
just
raised.
I
If
you,
if
you're
wealthy
enough,
then
money
bail
doesn't
really
matter,
but
if
you
don't
have
any
money
before
covid,
we
had
7
000
people
sitting
in
pre-trial
confinement,
who
were
class
d.
Felons
are
charged
with
class
d,
felony
offenses,
who
had
no
hold,
so
the
population
of
pre-trial
was
bigger
than
that,
but
it
is
the
lowest
lowest
most
non,
not
violent
at
all
the
most
unserious
offenses.
B
Just
just
a
point
to
that,
we
had
a
conversation
yesterday,
talking
about
jails
in
local
government
and
and
folk
that
are
incarcerated
and
and
how
local
governments
pay
for
those
folk
being.
G
I
G
We
charged
senator
berg
to
assist
us
in
fleshing
out
the
agenda
and
presenters
in
that
october,
health
outcomes
and
child
welfare
meeting.
We
are
dedicating
to
those
of
you
that
are
passionate
on
this
and
there's
a
lot
of
passion
in
this
space.
The
september
meeting
is
slated
to
be
around
corrections,
the
justice
cabinet
and
aoc.
G
So
if
you
have
a
a
presenter
or
on
this
topic
or
any
other
related
to
that
september,
conversation
please
let
brandon
know
and
we'll
get
september
september,
meeting
dedicated
to
that
all
right.
We're
looking
then,
at
the
last
one
on
the
list
senate
joint
resolution,
158
direct,
the
educate
department
of
education
to
create
a
task
force
to
examine
equity
and
inclusivity
of
racial
and
demographic
representation
in
education
curricula,
and
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
sponsor
senator
thomas,
very
good,
very
good.
G
All
right,
we've
been
an
hour,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
turn
it
back
to
my
co-chair
to
wrap
us
up
and-
and
I
will
say
that
we
did
have
something
we
talked
about
in
the
interim
last
year-
was
trying
to
do
dinner
together.
One
night
after
one
of
these
meetings,
just
all
of
us
sit
down
and
break
bread
together
july
is
not
going
to
work
out
because
there's
some
conflicts
there.
G
E
We
will
take
care
of
the
meal
with
our
personal
monies,
not
that's
correct
taxpayer
dollars
for
the
record
just
got
out
of
a
really
tough.
Last
few
months
I
like
to
be
on
the
record
for
that.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
july,
20th
2022
and
as
senator
or
as
co-chair
givens
has
mentioned.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
briefly
go
over
whenever
we
were
talking
about
how
we
wanted
this
interim
to
look.
E
We
looked
at
each
month
and
we
looked
at
the
legislation
of
what
this
commission
is
tasked
to
do,
and
we
kind
of
took
each
opportunity
to
place
it
with
the
month
and
so,
as
he
said
in
september,
we're
going
to
do
justice
aspect
in
october,
child
welfare
and
health
outcomes.
In
july.
E
Getting
my
notes
out
we're
going
to
focus
on
economic
opportunity
in
august
it
will
be
on
educational
equity
and
in
november
we
really
want
to
try
to
talk
about
data
and
possibly
commission
legislation,
and
I'm
really,
I
really
am
very
excited.
I
think
I
speak
with
for
co-chair
givens.
As
I
say
this
we're
very
excited
to
have
brandon
full-time.
I
think
it's
really
going
to
change
the
the
outlook
of
the
commission.
E
It
was
really
hard,
last
interim
to
kind
of
juggle
everything
and
stay
on
track,
and
so
I
think
it's
going
to
do
us
a
lot
of
good
to
have
him
here
to
be
able
to
talk
to
members
and
continue
these
conversations
all
throughout
the
year.
So
brandon
we're
very,
very
much
looking
forward
to
you
being
on
the
team
helping
us
if
there
are
no
questions
or
comments.
Oh
just.
B
Can
you
be
sure
to
send
us
out
that
list
of
of
proposed
items
that
we'll
discuss
and
then
the
meetings
in
which
we'll
discuss
them?
Yes,.
E
Thank
you,
and
just
as
a
reminder,
if
you
have
suggestions
for
speakers,
please
send
that
to
brandon,
and
then
he
will
get
that
to
coach
your
givens
and
I
and
we
will
interview
the
speakers.
We
just
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
staying
on
task
and
making
sure
that
we
have
we're
having
the
appropriate
conversations
through
all
the
all
of
this.
So
if
there
are
no
questions
or
comments,
we
are
adjourned
until
july.
Thank
you.