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A
To
our
september
meeting
of
the
tobacco
settlement
agreement
fund
oversight
committee
and
before
we
call
roll,
I
would
like
to
ask
representative
reed
if
he
could
lead
us
in
a
prayer,
and
then
representative
king
will
lead
us
in
the
pledge.
Yes,.
B
Sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Let
us
bow
most
gracious
heavenly
father.
We
thank
you
for
your,
your
wonderful
wisdom,
your
wonderful
grace
that
abounds
us
every
day.
We
give
you
all
the
praise
and
the
glory
heavenly
father.
Lord.
We
still
pray
for
the
families
over
in
east
kentucky
with
the
floods.
We
pray
for
the
families
in
west
kentucky
from
the
tornadoes
heavenly
father
lord
just
be
with
those
two
regions
as
they
as
they
put
by
heavenly
father
and
lord.
B
Thank
you
for
the
wisdom
that
you've
given
us
and
the
legislature
in
the
general
assembly
and
the
governor's
office
heavenly
father
to
quickly
react
and
help
them
the
best
way
we
can
lord
heavenly
father.
We
also
pray
for
our
farmers
as
they
begin
the
harvest
season,
lord,
be
with
them,
be
with
their
safety,
be
with
their
yields,
heavenly
father,
and
we
give
you
all
the
praise
and
the
glory
to
you.
Lord,
be
with
this
meeting
jesus
name.
We
pray,
amen.
A
Present
being
that
we
do
not
have
a
quorum,
yet
we
will
pass
on
our
approval
of
the
minutes
and
we'll
wait
and
see.
If
we
have
some
other
members
go
up.
C
Well,
good
morning,
brian
lacefield
executive
director
kentucky
office
of
ag
policy.
Thank
you,
chairman
dawson.
It
is
great
to
be
back
with
you
all.
We.
We
met
some
colleagues
in
the
parking
lot
as
we
were
walking
in
they
said.
Is
it
tobacco
oversight?
Time
again,
I
said
yes,
they
do
roll
around
pretty
quickly
on
doing
that
before
we
get
started
bill
I'll,
let
you
introduce
our
guest
because
I'll
probably
reference
him
later.
In
my
comments,
all.
D
Right
well,
my
good
good
friend,
lewis
mcintyre
with
cole
banks
out
of
out
of
louisville
is
here
lewis
raise
your
hand,
stand
up
appreciate
again
he's
vice
president
of
coal
bank
and
part
of
the
farm
credit
system
representative
king.
So
we
appreciate
those
relationships
with
the
ag
credits
can
be
farm,
credit,
central
kentucky
ag
credit
river
valley
ag
credit
that
operate
in
the
state
and
we
participate
with
those
entities
with
the
kentucky
finance
corporation
and
that's
a
good
segue
executive
director
to
talk
about
the
ketchup
finance
loan
program.
C
All
right:
well,
we
will
get
to
get
to
that
and
and
glad
to
have
louis
join
us
today
didn't
know
what
he
was
getting
into
when
he
showed
up
at
ann
street
today.
So
we
get
to
get
to
spend
some
time
working
on
some
joint
projects
there.
And
if
you
recall
this
this
summer,
I
had
my
son
joined
us
for
one
of
our
meetings,
and
so
he
saw
me
putting
a
tie
on
today
and
asked
me
what
I
was
doing
told
him
where
I
was
headed
and
he
said
I
really
wished.
C
I
could
skip
school
and
go.
Do
it
again,
so
he
had
a
great
time,
and
I
appreciate
the
hospitality
you
all
showed
him
when,
when
he
was
here
director
before.
A
You
continue,
I
just
want
to
share
with
you.
I
had
my
granddaughter
asked
me
the
same
question
yesterday
and
she
wanted
to
come
and
visit
here
again,
so
I'm
so
glad
that
your
son
enjoyed
that
well.
C
I
feel
good
chairman,
our
our
next
generation
leaders
are
getting
ready,
so
I
think
anytime,
we
can
expose
them
to
this
process.
It
is,
it
is
great.
Well,
we
we,
we
successfully
had
another
state,
fair
back
in
person
and
I've
not
heard
final
numbers,
but
from
from
my
observations
it
looked
like.
We
were
back
to
to
regular
crowds
and
everything
was
in
full
force.
We
bookend
with
two
great
breakfast.
C
Each
of
the
thursday
mornings
kicked
off
with
a
commodity
breakfast
there
at
a
new
location
for
the
commodity,
tent
up
front,
showcasing
so
many
different
of
kentucky's
commodities
and
then
had
the
the
farm
bureau
hand
breakfast
the
second
thursday,
and
in
between
that
time
we
worked
in
a
lot
of
meetings
as
as
we're
well
due.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Traveling
the
state
in
the
the
11
days
of
the
state.
C
Fair
is
really
good
because
the
state
all
comes
to
one
place,
and
so
we
can
be
in
louisville
and
see
folks
from
literally
across
across
our
commonwealth,
at
the
kentucky
ag
council
there,
the
ag
water
quality
authority,
and
then
your
colleagues
were
there
with
the
interim
joint
committee
for
agriculture
and
was
good
to
to
have
that
meeting
representative
king
good
to
see
you
at
at
that
one.
C
In
between
all
those
meetings,
we
had
the
team
with
the
kentucky
office
of
ag
policy
joining
the
kda
team
working
ag
land
and
you
have
not
experienced
the
thrill
of
working
a
state
fair
until
you
have
spent
five
hours
on
the
concrete.
Putting
folks
on
pedal
tractors
and
by
folks
I
mean
are-
are
kentucky
citizens
of
this
high
or
lower,
but
we,
the
the
office
policy.
We
had
a
very
strong
turnout
with
our
team.
C
C
So
many
of
our
different
agencies
and
partners
within
agriculture
in
one
location
there
to
to
folks
can
go
through
and
showcase
our
industry,
the
the
the
ending
of
the
the
livestock
shows
at
the
state
fair
culminates
in
what
is
now
the
championship
drive
where
we
have
all
the
the
champions
of
each
class
come
together
and
and
compete,
and
if
you
all
recall
a
few
months
back,
we
talked
about
the
funding
for
the
the
kentucky
exposition
foundation,
a
million
dollars
to
go
towards
a
trust
to
set
up
an
endowment
for
sustainability
of
of
prizes
awarded
to
these
to
these
students
that
are
showing
a
livestock
there.
C
And
so
we
did
a
check
presentation
with
board
members,
and
we
were
fortunate,
as
your
colleague
senator
webb
was,
was
there
that
that
evening
and
present
for
for
that.
As
long
as
the
the
the
former
executive
director
warren
beeler
was
on
on
staff.
For
for
that.
Well,
I
mentioned
I
would
talk
about
our
guest
here,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
our
louisville
ag
club.
My
my
colleague
here,
deputy
director
mccloskey,
is
currently
serving
as
the
president
of
the
louisville
ag
club
and
chairman
dawson.
C
You
know
how
active
I
was
in
west
kentucky
in
our
ag
club,
so
I've
I've
found
this
as
my
surrogate,
since
I
don't
get
back
back
to
west
kentucky
as
often
to
be
part
of
the
louisville
ag
club,
and
we
have
a
different
speaker
every
every
month
on
a
timely
topic.
This
last
month
we
had
we
had
the
commissioner
come
and
talk
about
the
kentucky
proud
program,
which
is
one
we
fund
through
the
ag
development
funds
and
this
one
this
next
month.
C
I
believe
it's
october
7th,
mr
president,
that
we've
got
lewis
with
cobank
is
going
to
be
speaking
on
the
distillery
industry
in
kentucky.
So
I
I
extend
an
invitation
to
to
each
of
you
all
over
there
be
at
11
30
at
the
farm
bureau.
Building.
Just
please
let,
mr
president
know
so
he
can
make
sure
we
have.
C
We
put
a
little
little
extra
water
in
the
soup
that
day,
sir
annually
in
the
fall
as
we
wrap
up
one
program
year
and
we're
starting
to
transition
into
another
one
for
our
different
programs.
We
have
a
an
advisory
meeting
with
members
of
our
uk
extension
service,
and
so
this
is
the
second
year
now
that
I've
been
able
to
participate
in
this
and
to
both
have
been
some
of
the
best
meetings.
C
I've
worked
with
as
far
as
an
exchange
of
ideas
between
two
partners
on
how
best
to
to
deliver
these
county
programs
to
to
kentucky
farmers,
and
we
had
that
meeting
last
week
and
a
lot
a
lot
of
good
discussion
came
out
of
that
and
a
chance
to
keep
it
small
enough
with
staff
that
everybody
feels
comfortable
talking.
C
There
did
the
same
this
past
earlier
this
week
with
the
kcard
team,
the
kentucky
center
for
agriculture
and
rural
development,
which
we
we
fund
this
organization
and
is
a
huge
partner
with
us,
and
I
mentioned
last
month
when
I
was
here
we're
we're
in
the
process
of
having
one
executive
director
leave
and
and
hiring
another
one,
but
both
my
team
and
the
k-card
team
has
had
a
lot
of
staff
that
has
turned
over
and
been
added
during
the
last
two
years
where
so
much
has
been
a
remote
type
work
setting.
C
This
was
a
good
chance
to
get
everybody
in
the
same
room
understanding
what
each
member
on
each
team,
their
area
of
expertise
is,
and
what
programs
they
they
cover
so
enjoy
the
opportunity
for
for
that
that
networking
event.
So
a
few
of
your
colleagues
at
the
fayette
county
farm
bureau
legislative
appreciation
dinner
that
always
a
great
event
that
they
put
on
and
try
to
try
to
attend
that
every
year,
rest
of
the
time
we're
spending
county
councils
continue
to
be
be
meeting
across
the
state.
C
Last
night
we
were
notified
of
of
one
and
and
deputy
director
mccloskey
was
double
booked
and
by
the
time
I
tuned
in
on
the
emails,
I
just
watched
a
series
of
our
colleagues
that
were
also
booked,
and
so
bill
had
to
cover
two
places
last
night,
but
he
superman
was
able
to
to
make
that
work
and
glad
we
did
it.
So
he
could
support
a
new
county
agent
in
their
position.
C
Bill
mentioned
the
ag
finance,
and
we
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
last
month
when
I
was
here
and
we've
included
that
in
your
packet-
and
this
is
something
we're
going
to
include
each
each
month,
so
you
all
can
see
what
is
being
approved
at
the
the
loan
level,
since
we
normally
just
talk
about
our
our
grants
and
forgivable
loans.
C
When
we
come
talk
to
you
through
the
ag
development
side,
but
our
ag
finance
and
our
our
portfolio
continues
to
grow
and
we
are
on
our
third
month,
the
first
first
year
and
a
half
I
I
was
in
this
position.
We
were
seeing
about
a
million
dollars
of
new
obligations
each
month
that
we
were
approving,
and
this
coincided
with
what
we
were
getting
each
month
back
in
our
outstanding
loans,
with
return
of
principal
and
interest
earned.
So
we
were
basically
self-funding
everything
coming
out
well
interest
rates
for
our
program.
C
Everything
is
fixed
at
a
two
percent
rate.
We
allow
the
participating
lenders
to
put
on
a
75
basis,
point
servicing
fee
for
covering
and
handling
the
loan
doing,
the
origination,
documentation
and
the
servicing.
So
the
the
the
total
cost
to
the
borrower
is
2.75,
which,
when
I
got
here,
we
were,
we
were
seeing
rates
in
the
the
high
threes
now
we're
seeing
longer
term
rates
getting
into
the
8
plus.
So
this
blended
rate
really
becomes
attractive.
So
we
we
have
seen
interest
increase
considerably
in
our
programs.
C
To
the
last
three
months,
we
have
had
over
two
million
going
out
the
door
in
new
obligations,
and
if
you
look
at
page
one
in
your
your
package,
where
we
broke
down
the
different
loans
that
were
approved
just
at
the
last
month,
you
can
see
the
biggest
portion
of
these
were
under
our
beginning
farm
program
and
these
work
for
purchasing
of
a
of
a
farm
in
the
real
estate,
but
also
you
can
utilize
for
purchasing
into
an
existing
operation
or
a
going
concern
that
maybe
have
one
partner
leaving
and
you're
buying
out
or
somebody
buying
out
a
generation
ahead
of
them.
C
So
it's
not
always
farmland
purchase,
but
but
that's
a
big
big
part
of
it.
But
we
had
one
loan
in
our
infrastructure
program
in
nelson
county.
It
was
a
beef
operation
for
50
000
and
we'll
go
up
in
that
one
50
percent
of
the
total
project
up
to
a
total
on
our
side
of
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
chairman
dawson,
that's
increased
this
year,
just
in
in
recognition
of
the
added
cost
that
everything
is
is
experiencing.
C
We
we've
raised
the
the
limit
there
from
150
to
250
000,
which
that
is
also
the
limit
for
our
beginning
farmer
program.
You
know
50
or
250
000
we'll
do
the
lower
amount
of
those
too,
and
but
I
think
the
real
takeaway
is
of
that
is
two
million
dollars
of
of
loans.
C
Coming
from
our
ag,
finance
corporation
went
into
a
total
of
ten
million
dollars
of
capital
projects
across
our
state,
and
this
this
allows
a
lot
of
loans
that
may
not
have
been
able
to
be
approved
without
us,
taking
that
subordinate
position
and
helping
with
the
cash
flow
with
this
lower
interest
rate.
But
I
think
that
is
a
a
big
testament
to
look
at
the
leveraging
of
these
funds
across
the
state
and
a
great
example
of
private
and
public
funding
page
two
to
look
at
what
the
portfolio
has
been.
C
You
can
see
by
far
the
the
number
of
applicants
and
the
total
dollars
in
loans
for
beginning
farmers-
and
this
goes
back
to
our
original
priority
and
objective
that
has
been
here-
is
to
get
get
farmers
with
emphasis
and
beginning
farmers
access
to
capital,
so
701
loans,
that's
50,
almost
56
of
the
total
applicants
that
we've
done
114
million
in
the
loans
which
that's
that's
almost
two-thirds
of
the
dollars
that
have
have
gone
out
the
door
in
the
beginning
farmer
ag
infrastructure
is,
is
by
far
the
the
second
most
popular
program,
both
for
the
long
length
of
time.
C
We've
had
it
and
again,
there's
it's.
A
very
broad
loan
program
that
about
any
type
of
improvement
to
to
a
farm
operation
would
be
included
in
that
more
than
a
third
of
the
applicants.
465
have
come
from
that
35
million
in
loans,
the
large
animal
veterinary
program.
We
talk
about
that.
That's
one!
We've
we've
expanded
we're
now
utilizing
the
student
loan
debt
to
be
be
the
match
if
they
can
have
a
participating
lender
to
still
do
the
loan.
C
They
could
do
this
for
100
of
a
project
as
long
as
they
have
the
offsetting
student
loan
debt,
which
we
we've
learned
this
year,
that
the
average
kentucky
veterinary
student
going
to
auburn,
where
we
have
the
reciprocity
agreement
with
is
leaving
with
over
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
in
in
student
loan
debt.
So
just
again
it's
it's
one
that
we've
not
had
wide
interest
in,
but
to
each
of
those
12
applicants.
C
It's
been
a
game
changer
and
something
to
help
these
these
rural
communities
flip
over
on
page
three,
and
you
can
see
a
breakdown
by
the
the
enterprise
and
what
we're
looking
at
and
poultry
that
is
just
chicken.
We
actually
had
a
separate
program
for
our
turkey
producers.
C
You
can
see
there
were
nine
loans
that
were
to
turkey
producers
there,
but
our
poultry
by
far
the
the
biggest
percentage
of
our
portfolio
over
59
million
dollars
in
loans,
306
loans
going
out
most
of
those
usually
are
part
of
a
a
a
a
million
plus
dollar
project
where
we're
in
so
oftentimes
they
are
for
the
full
250
000.
So
you
can
see
a
a
large.
C
The
average
size
of
these
are
very
large
loans.
Beef
and
grain
are
right
there
at
second
and
third
to
what
we've
had
and
that
that
matches
up
with
with
what
our
census
numbers
would
look
like
across
the
state
as
far
as
number
of
number
of
producers,
and
have
still
still
done
several
loans
to
to
tobacco
producers,
which
gets
to
be
a
smaller
group
each
year.
C
I
believe
our
numbers
we'll
see
for
2022
we'll
have
less
than
a
thousand
folks
raising
raising
tobacco
and
that
that's
something
to
think
about
at
this
this
organization.
Here
when,
when
house
bill,
611
was
passed,
we
had
over
48
000
kentucky
farm
families
were
raising
tobacco
and
now
now
we're
down
to
less
than
a
thousand.
C
A
One
moment
there
bill
do
we
have
any
questions
of
yes,
representative
king.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you
all
again
once
again
for
being
here
with
such
great
information
when
I
looked
over
our
agenda
for
today,
and
our
next
presenter
is
talking
about
working
toward
encouraging
folks
to
not
partake
in
tobacco
and
then
tobacco
just
being
referenced
as
point
number
four,
on
page
number
three,
when
I
discuss
tobacco
settlement
with
local
folks,
one
of
the
most
common
questions
I
get
is:
is
this
program
sustainable?
E
C
The
question
because
I
I
think
we
can
say
first
mission
has
been
accomplished
with
what
what
we're
looking
at
over
the
last
22
years
as
we
have
continued
to
invest
these
funds
and
and
and
I
I
thank
you
and
I
thank
your
colleagues
existing
now-
the
ones
before
you
for
for
protecting
these
funds
and
keeping
them
going
to
agriculture.
I
think
the
the
more
I
do,
this,
the
more
impressed.
C
I
am
that
this
has
happened
for
kentucky
and
I
think
it
shows
the
the
foresight
leadership
of
our
our
agri
agriculture,
community
and
our
general
assembly
and-
and
I
I
think,
as
you
look
at
the
numbers
to
what
what
we've
done
to
see
48
000
farmers
that
were
dependent
upon
tobacco
for
some
part
of
their
income.
To
now,
that's
that's!
C
It's
less
than
a
thousand
and
we've
gone
from
a
quarter
of
our
agriculture
receipts
coming
from
tobacco
to
now
less
than
four
percent
still
a
big
crop
still
still
important
to
kentucky,
don't
want
to
lose
that,
but
it's
not
where
we're
so
dependent
upon
it,
and
I
think
we've
got
more
opportunities
going
forward
because
we've
seen
the
model
works,
we've
seen
the
the
investment
of
our
dollars
at
the
county
level,
where
we're
encouraging
producers
to
try
proven
practices
that
may
be
new
to
them,
where
you're
able
to
come
in,
and
it's
based
on
university,
peer-reviewed
research
that
this
is
a
proven
practice
that
can
improve
your
operation.
C
But
it's
different.
It's
not
what
we've
done
well,
if
we've
got
a
cost
share,
where
we're
able
to
have
somebody
through
these
funds,
take
on
50
up
to
75
percent
of
the
cost.
For
you
to
try
this
that
that's
a
pretty
big
incentive
to
to
try
a
new
practice.
I
I
tell
this
story
in
a
lot
of
meetings
because
it
was,
I
guess,
a
real
world
example.
C
I
had
a
gentleman
that
stopped
me
this
summer
at
the
the
kentucky
association
of
conservation
districts,
and
he
had
heard
my
father
speak
for
for
many
years
about
the
importance
of
stockpiling
fescue,
to
extend
your
grazing
days
representative
king,
and
to
reduce
the
amount
of
hay
you're
feeding,
and
he
he
he
never
did
it
until
he
had
somebody
that
a
program
he
was
eligible
to
get
into
that
that
paid
for
some
of
this
fertilization
cost,
and
he
is
now
spreading
the
good
news
of
how
this
does.
I
mean
he.
D
You
learned
how
to
raise
tobacco
through
your
father,
your
grandfather
so
tran
that
knowledge
transfer
from
generation
to
generation
and
I
think,
senator
webb
what
you
realize
that
we're
going
to
need
to
provide
technical
assistance
besides
cost
share
programs
to
help
farmers
look
at
new
enterprises.
For
example,
strawberries
uk
has
done
enterprise
budgets.
That
said
for
20
for
an
acre.
You
can
receive
up
to
20
000
return
to
management,
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
in
that
and
there's
a
learning
curve,
but
learning
how
to
grow.
D
Strawberries,
for
example,
and
we've
invested
not
only
in
the
cost
share
programs,
as
brian
mentioned,
but
the
technical
assistance.
Okay,
we've
talked
about
k
card
kentucky
center
for
agriculture,
rural
development,
on
the
business
planning
side
of
it
the
technical
side,
just
the
production
aspect
of
it,
we've
been
funding.
The
kentucky
hoard
account
horticulture
council
that
provides
the
technical
assistance
if
you're
going
to
grow
strawberries,
you
contact
them
to
help
you
in
all
horticulture
and
ornamental
kentucky
beef
network
representative
king.
I
know
you're
from
very
familiar
with
that
program.
D
Of
course,
it's
extension
at
uk
and
kentucky
state
university
kentucky
highlands
investment
corporation
out
of
london
and
of
course
those
are
technical
assistance,
but
you
look
at
on
the
marketing
side.
Kentucky
proud
at
the
department
of
agriculture
is
the
marketing
side.
Well,
we've
tried
to
hit
all
from
production,
technical
assistance
to
marketing
and
then
also
adding
providing
funding
either
on
the
grant
side
or
loans
for
the
processors.
You
know,
we've
talked
about
the
meat
processor
and
we've
got
one
in
the
application.
D
E
A
Any
other
questions
brian
before
we
move
to
bill.
I
do
have
a
question
for
you
and,
as
you
mentioned,
what
we're
looking
at
tobacco
production,
I
know
at
home
I'm
hearing
farmers,
some
farmers
that
are
moving
out
of
tobacco,
that
they've
spent
their
life
in
this,
and
it's
part
of
the
reasons
are
due
to
the
hoops
they
have
to
jump
through.
To
be
able
to
have
workforce
come
in.
A
Also,
as
you
mentioned,
we
are
seeing
an
aging
of
those
farmers
then,
and
whenever
I
think
of
that,
I
think
of
myself,
because
most
of
these
that
are
raising
the
crop
are
in
their
50s
and
60s,
and
their
younger
generations
are
not
going
into
that
direction.
A
The
question
I
wanted
to
ask:
what
are
we
looking
at
as
far
as
encouraging
our
young
farmers,
those
next
generations
that
are
coming?
What
are
we
looking
at
encouraging
them
to
of
leading
them
into
agriculture?
What
type
of
fields
and
are?
Are
you
feeling
that
we
we
do
want
to
move
that
next
generation
that's
coming
along
to
encourage
them
to
go
into
agriculture?
What
do
you
see
is
that
future
being.
C
Well,
I
think
that's
a
very
good
point
and
a
lot
of
those
you're
referencing
probably
were
a
lot
of
my
good
buddies
and
bank
customers
down
there
and
we've
watched.
What's
what's
happened
with
that
industry
and-
and
this
can
get
to
be
a
pretty
long
and
philosophical
conversation
from
from
my
standpoint,
because
I've
thought
about
this-
a
lot
chairman
when
you
you
look
at
how
a
lot
of
the
the
larger
tobacco
farmers
that
that
I
know
you
and
I
are
thinking
of.
C
As
you
asked
that
question-
that's
the
way
they
got
started
in
the
80s
and
and
then
and
they
were
able
to
to
leverage
working
capital
as
as
far
as
physical
labor
for
partnering
with
with
other
folks
or
you,
you
could
get
started
with
a
small
amount
of
tobacco
that
was
not
as
capital
intensive
as
it
is
now
to
to
try
to
become
a
full-time
row,
crop
farmer
or
to
scale
a
beef
operation
up
to
where
you
would
be
able
to
have
the
same
revenue
that
you
could
from
from
from
tobacco,
so
that
that
has
become
a
barrier
to
entry
for
for
younger
folks
or
beginning
farmers.
C
C
We've
got
to
be
innovative.
There
are
going
to
be
other
new
enterprises
that
come
in
and-
and
perhaps
some
of
these
will
not
require
the
same
level
of
labor
and
the
same
requirement
of
mechanization.
Both
your
two
big
constraints.
If
you've
got
to
buy,
you
know
half
a
million
dollar
to
a
million
dollar
line
of
equipment
to
produce
this
one
crop
or
or
livestock,
or
it
you
have
to
trade
that
off
with
a
whole
lot
of
physical
labor
that
that
becomes
the
the
constraint.
C
So
I
think
that's
a
challenge
and
that's
why
I'm
glad
we've
got
good
partnering
agencies
to
to
continue
to
develop
these
and
then
have
have
our
our
program
here
to
offer
some
type
of
financial
funding
for
them.
But
to
answer
your
question:
we
got
one
or
two
things
that
this
is
going
to
replace
tobacco
that
doesn't
exist.
A
Well
and
of
course,
when
we
think
of
future
generations
of
being
in
agriculture,
I'm
not
talking-
I'm
also
not
talking
about
a
20
or
a
30
year
old,
but
I'm
looking
at
those
youngsters
that
are
in
elementary
school
young
men,
young
women,
that
opportunities
are
there
and,
of
course,
I
know
watching
with
our
4-h
groups,
just
things
that
we
can
do
to
encourage
them
because,
as
as
you
said,
we
see
some
of
this-
the
expense
of
going
into
row
crops.
Things
like
that.
A
C
Absolutely
and
then
back
to
being
at
the
fair,
I
saw
a
lot
of
4-h
and
a
lot
of
ffa
students
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
other
students
that
were
just
interested
in
agriculture
and
that's
something
we're
going
to
be
facing.
I
mean
there's,
there's
going
to
be
a
bigger
population
that
we're
going
to
have
to
feed
and
we're
going
to
have
to
do
it
on
on
fewer
acres.
So
I
think
technology.
A
And
it
is
very
important
being
at
those
fairs,
whether
it
be
county
fairs
or
state
fair.
I
know
I
had
two
young,
ladies,
that
were
there
with
their
with
their
animals
in
louisville,
and
I've
got
another
little
one
there
at
the
house
who
she
she
has
grown
up
being
around
me
being
in
an
agricultural
area.
She
loves
that
aspect
and
I
would
love
that
to
be
her
future
and
I
I
don't
want
her
to
lose
that
love
that
she
has.
So.
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate.
A
Before
we
begin,
we
do
have
enough,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
on
our
minutes
from
august
august
11th.
Can
I
have
a
motion
on
approval
of
those
minutes?
D
Continue
so
executive
director,
brian
lacefield,
gave
you
an
update
on
the
august
12th
ag
finance
board
meeting.
So
I'd
like
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
august
19th
kentucky
ag
development
board
action,
so
you
can
see.
On
page
six,
there
were
seven
counties
approved
to
minister
the
cape
program
for
789
thousand
four
hundred
twelve
dollars
deceased
farm
animal
removal.
Three
entities
were
approved,
thirty
one
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
and
then
the
shared
use
equipment
program.
D
D
So
we're
on
page
eight
loretto
butcher
shop
was
approved
for
239
thousand
six
hundred
forty
five
dollars
in
state
funds
working
with
local
bank.
The
have
a
new
ownership
for
a
business.
That's
been
existence
for
a
number
of
years.
This
new
ownership
will
be
able
to
provide
some
funding
to
update
about
the
facility
to
be
able
to
increase
their
capacity.
D
So
this
brings
us
financial
incentives
for
40
processors
across
the
state
we've
identified
about
80
in
the
state,
so
half
of
the
meat
processors
in
the
state
have
been
able
to
utilize
the
ag
development
board
and
kentucky
finance
corporation
low
interest
loan
program
to
expand
the
harvesting
capacity
and
we're
still
getting
reports
that
their
meat
processors
are
still
running
at
capacity
and
are
scheduled
going
into
2023
brian.
So
I
think
we're
still
seeing
the
need
for
continued
expansion
of
the
regional
meat
processors.
D
F
If
I
could
interject
since
he
brought
it
up,
mr
chairman,
I
did
do
have
a
a
good
report
from
tyler
just
a
few
minutes
ago.
He
was
a
w
means.
He
and
his
wife
laura
were
named
the
northeast
kentucky
new
small
new
business
of
the
year
after
four
months
in
business.
So
that's
a
success
story
that
we
can
all
hear
and
y'all
can
be
proud
of.
F
D
You
mentioned
it
bill
all
right.
Well,
then,
the
next
project
or
last
project
is
on
page
nine,
so
country
charm
event,
barn
in
metcalf
county,
had
requested
twenty
six
thousand
two
hundred
sixty
five
dollars
in
county
and
state
money.
The
ag
development
board
when
they
look
at
these
type
of
projects.
What's
the
impact
to
farmers?
Do
they
create
market
opportunities
for
farmers
in
the
area?
If
it's
going
to
limited
to
that
applicant,
then
it's
probably
just
going
to
be
limited
to
county
money.
D
So,
on
this,
this
project
converting
a
it's,
a
working
representative
working
tobacco,
barn
that
they're
having
event
wedding
events,
and
they
want
to
make
some
improvements
where
they
can
enclose
an
area
to
have
events
as
well,
then
inclement
weather
or
when
it
gets
colder.
So
they
did
make
a
request
to
the
the
county
council.
A
I
want
to
thank
you
both
for
coming
in
and
your
presentation.
We
appreciate
it
so
very
much
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
from
both
of
you
again
next
month.
A
Next,
we
have
ellen
cartmell
with
the
tobacco
prevention
and
cessation
program.
Please
introduce
yourself
and
you
may
begin
your
presentation.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
all
for
having
me
here
today.
My
name
is
ellen
cardinal,
and
I
am
about
now.
Is
that
better?
Okay?
So
I
was
just
saying,
thank
you
all
so
much
for
having
me
today,
I'm
I'm
so
glad
to
to
be
with
you.
My
name
is
ellen
cartmell
and
I
am
the
manager
of
the
tobacco
prevention
and
cessation
program
at
the
kentucky
department
for
public
health.
G
I
wanted
to
start
off
by
acknowledging
representative
king's
question,
which
I
think
was
so
important,
representative,
webb
or
sorry
senator
webb,
I
think
knows,
I'm
from
maysville,
which
was
once
the
world's
largest
burly
tobacco
market
about
100
years
ago,
and
I
I
think
it's
important
that
we
acknowledge
that
the
purpose
of
this
settlement
that
the
the
master
settlement
agreement,
the
tobacco
settlement
agreement
fund,
was
to
help
states
recoup
some
of
those
awful
expenses
that
they
were
facing
in
terms
of
health
care
costs
as
a
result
of
smoking
and
also
to
help
farmers
diversify
their
crops.
G
So,
obviously,
from
the
presentation
that
we've
just
heard,
that
has
been
very
successful
and
I
hope
you
will
agree
at
the
end
of
this-
that
we've
been
successful
in
helping
people
quit
smoking
as
well.
So
whenever
I
say
that
I
work
in
tobacco
prevention
and
cessation,
I
get
a
lot
of
people
who
are
like.
Is
that
really
still
a
problem,
though,
like
maybe
back
in
the
60s?
G
And
the
answer
is
unequivocally
yes?
Tobacco
use
is
our
number
one
preventable
cause
of
death
and
our
number
one
preventable
cause
of
disease
in
kentucky.
It
is
killing
about
almost
9
000
kentucky
adults
a
year
and
that's
more
than
twice
as
many
as
murders,
suicides,
drug
use
and
drug
overdose,
alcohol
use,
car
accidents
and
aids
combined.
G
However,
as
I
said,
we've
known
since
the
60s,
or
maybe
before
that
smoking
is
not
good
for
us,
so
I
won't
belabor
the
health
points,
but
I
did
want
to
touch
quickly
on
the
financial
implications
of
that,
so
we
are
able,
as
a
state,
to
bring
in
last
year.
I
think
it
was
493
million
dollars
in
tobacco
tax
revenue,
but
we
spent
more
than
that.
Just
on
medicaid
expenses
related
to
smoking.
G
But
I
promise
I'm
not
here
to
only
bring
you
problems,
I
have
solutions
as
well,
so
my
program
has
three
goals:
three
focus
areas
that
we
work
on.
The
first
is
trying
to
prevent
youth
from
ever
becoming
addicted
to
nicotine
in
the
first
place.
As
as
they
say
you
know,
an
ounce
of
prevention
is
worth
a
pound
of
cure,
the
more
we
can
get
get
with
kids
and
help
them
not
ever
get
addicted
to
these
project
products.
The
better
off
everyone
is.
G
We
also
want
to
help
people
who
want
to
quit
using
tobacco
products
when
they're
ready
to
quit.
We
want
to
help
them
do
that
and
then
finally,
we
want
to
protect
kentuckians
from
exposure
to
secondhand
smoke,
because
breathing
in
those
chemicals
in
secondhand
smoke
can
be
just
as
dangerous
as
actually
lighting
up
and
smoking
yourself.
G
So
I'm
going
to
dive
into
each
of
those
individually
in
a
moment,
but
I
wanted
to
start
by
first
just
talking
about
how
all
of
this
is
funded
and
the
the
biggest
part
of
that
answer
is
all
of
you
all
the
state,
the
state
funding
that
we
receive
from
the
master
settlement
agreement.
G
We
are
so
grateful
to
have
received
two
million
dollars
for
this
fiscal
year
and
two
million
dollars
for
the
next
fiscal
year
that
allows
us
to
fund
work
at
our
local
health
departments,
to
do
some
media
to
do
both
prevention
and
to
promote
the
quit
lines
to
help
fund
the
quit
lines
themselves
to
work
with
our
partners,
who
I'm
going
to
highlight
in
future
slides
and
then
we
also
have
funding
from
cdc.
We
have
about
1.6
million
dollars
a
year
from
them,
and
that
pays
my
salary,
the
rest
of
my
team.
G
So
no
none
of
the
msa
dollars
are
going
towards
salary
or
fringe
or
indirect,
and
the
cdc
funds
also
pay
for
most
of
our
travel
and
supplies
so
to
zoom
in
really
quickly
on
that
local
health
department
component.
I
wanted
to
show
you
all
a
map
of
the
health
department
that
we
are
funding
this
year.
So
in
fiscal
year
23
we
are
funding,
21
local
health
departments
of
the
61
in
the
state,
and
these
were
decided
on
an
application
process.
G
So
any
health
department
in
the
state
could
apply
to
us
for
funding
to
do
tobacco
prevention
and
cessation
work,
so
that
might
be
to
teach
classes
in
their
community
for
people
who
want
to
quit
to
go
into
the
schools
and
help
them
there
and
just
generally
to
fund
health
educators.
So
it's
job
creation
as
well,
so
talking
about
what
they
actually
do.
I'm
going
to
go
into
those
three
goal:
areas
that
I
mentioned.
The
first
is
prevention.
G
This
is
so
important
because
we
know
that
90
of
smokers
are
addicted
to
nicotine
by
age
18.,
so
before
they're
even
legally
allowed
to
buy
these
products,
many
are
already
addicted.
I
also
just
worked
the
state
fair.
A
couple
of
weeks
ago
we
had
a
booth
there
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
people
were
like
my
husband
started
smoking
when
he
was
13
and
really
anything
that
we
can
do
to
have
people
not
try.
G
We
are
very
very
fortunate
that
we
have
had
a
huge
drop
in
smoking
rates,
both
among
adults
and
youth,
and
that
has
been
going
on
for
decades.
We've
seen
wonderful
trends
and
then
e-cigarettes
came
on
the
scene
in
2011
and
have
really
reversed
that.
So
you
see
on
the
right
a
graph
of
what
those
use
rates
look
like
for
youth
nationally,
and
you
can
see
how
e-cigarettes
have
really
taken
off
and
are
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
now
and
then
for
kentucky
specific
data.
G
So
we
do
have
some
good
news
to
share
I've
sprinkled
success
stories
around
in
here,
because
I
promised
I
wasn't
only
going
to
bring
you
problems.
One
group
that
I
really
wanted
to
highlight
is
the
mccracken
county,
family,
career
and
community
leaders
of
america
or
fccla.
G
They
have
a
student
who
was
a
senior
in
the
spring
who
actually
just
won.
The
national
youth
advocate
of
the
year
award
from
the
campaign
for
tobacco-free,
kids
and
her
advisor
for
that
group
is
lauren
williams,
also
from
mccracken
county,
and
she
won
the
kentucky
fccla
outstanding
advisor
of
the
year
last
year.
G
So
speaking
of
schools,
another
big
project
that
we
have
undertaken
since
the
last
time
I've
been
here
is
that
we
created
a
kentucky
tobacco,
free
schools,
tool,
kit
and
mailed
a
copy
to
every
public
school
serving
sixth
grade
and
older
and
every
private
school.
In
this
state
we
are
inundated.
I
mean,
I
would
say
multiple
times
a
week.
G
G
So
we
are
really
really
happy
to
fund
this
program.
There's
a
lot
of
evidence
showing
that
that
peer
education
is
really
important.
We
know
that
a
high
schooler
is
much
more
likely
to
want
to
hear
from
a
cool
20
year
old
college
student
than
they
am
from
from
me
or
from
their
parents.
So
I
wanted
to
share
this
story
from
dylan
lay.
G
G
So,
speaking
on
this
slide
of
of
quitting
of
cravings
of
how
difficult
it
can
be
to
quit,
that
will
be
my
transition
into
goal
number
two
which
is
cessation.
So
we
have
some
recent
data.
We're
really
excited
about
that
says.
88
of
kentucky
adults
want
to
quit,
who
smoke
so
that's
over
660,
000,
kentuckians
I'll
be
honest.
My
attitude
has
kind
of
been
like
if
you
don't
want
to
quit.
G
That's
that's
you.
If
you
do
want
to
quit.
That's
me
and
I'm
happy
and
I'm
happy
to
help
you,
and
we
know
that
that's
almost
90
of
a
kentucky
adults
who
do
smoke
want
to
quit.
The
bad
news
is
that
fewer
than
half
of
them
know
about
1
800
quit
now,
which
is
one
of
our,
which
is
the
quit
line
that
I
referenced
earlier
and
one
of
our
really
great
resources
for
them.
So
we
really
want
to
get
that
statistic
up
from
40
knowing
about
it
to
100
of
of
smokers.
Knowing
about
it.
G
The
reason
it's
so
important
that
we
get
the
word
out
about
the
quit
lines
is
because
they
are
extremely
cost
effective.
So
you
may
have
seen
we
published
a
return
on
investment
a
couple
of
months
ago,
maybe
in
january
that
said
that,
for
every
dollar
we
invest
in
quit
now
kentucky
which
is
the
same
thing
as
1
800
quit
now
we're
getting
over
four
dollars
returned
in
future
cost
savings,
so
this
is
a
really
really
powerful
testimony
to
how
effective
this
is.
G
We
also
have
research
that
shows
that
people
who
call
the
quit
line
are
twice
as
likely
to
quit
successfully
as
people
who
just
try
to
do
it
on
their
own
going
cold.
Turkey,
and
that
service
is
free
to
anyone
who
calls
and
it
is
available.
24
7.,
but
quit
lines
are
not
the
only
cessation
service
that
we
offer.
We
also
encourage
people
to
attend
group
classes
or
do
one-on-one
counseling.
I
have
an
example
here
of
the
freedom
from
smoking
classes
that
are
offered
at
some
of
the
local
health
departments.
G
We
have
mark
perry
from
russell
county
was
able
to
quit
through
a
freedom
from
smoking
class
that
was
offered
at
lake
cumberland
district
health
department
and
in
your
folder
you
do
have
his
entire
testimony.
I
couldn't
fit
it
all
on
this
slide,
but
it
is
really
powerful
and
great
how
positive
he
was
about
his
ability
to
quit.
After
over
35
years.
G
When
I
made
this
slide,
I
sent
it
to
shirley
to
just
say
like
by
the
way
I'm
going
to
talk
about
you,
and
she
said
you
should
mention
that
teresa,
who
was
the
co-instructor
of
the
class,
also
used
to
be
a
smoker.
She
took
a
freedom
from
smoking
class
with
shirley
10
years
ago
and
now
she's
a
co-instructor
as
and
has
been
able
to
help
mark
quit.
So
those
one-on-one
input
and
group
classes
really
can
make
a
huge
difference.
G
So
we
want
as
many
health
department
staff
and
other
people
in
the
state
to
have
the
training
they
need
to
offer
these
services.
These
are
just
a
couple
of
the
things
that
we
have
offered
in
2022
so
far,
and
most
of
these
have
been
since
may
so
we
had
a
really
busy
summer
offering
these
scholarships
and
this
professional
development
for
people
across
the
state.
G
I
want
to
highlight
the
16
script
facilitators
that
we
trained
that
was
done
in
july
and
script
is
such
an
important
program
for
kentucky
in
particular,
because
we
have
the
highest
rates
of
women
smoking
during
pregnancy
of
any
state
in
the
nation.
So
getting
people
there
who
know
how
to
talk
to
these
these
women
about
the
importance
of
quitting
and
the
importance
of
staying
quit
after
they
have
also
had
their
baby,
is
very
valuable.
G
So
that
is
really
really
exciting
and
important.
Getting
more
and
more
professionals
out
there
who
know
how
to
treat
this.
This
substance
use
we're
also
really
excited
that,
through
our
partnership
with
kentucky
cancer
program,
we
were
able
we
have
been
able
to
work
with
the
veterans
affairs,
medical
centers
in
lexington
and
louisville
and
get
tobacco
treatment.
Specialists
trained
on
staff
there
as
well
and
kentucky
cancer
program
is
working
with
fort
bragg,
sorry
fort
knox
and
fort
for
campbell
campbell.
G
Sorry,
I
had
a
moment
to
to
make
sure
that
people
in
the
in
the
service
are
able
to
quit
as
well,
so
on
to
the
third
goal,
which
is
protecting
people
from
secondhand
smoke.
As
I
mentioned,
whether
you
are
breathing
toxins
in
the
atmosphere
or
whether
you're
smoking
directly,
that
does
have
a
very
detrimental
health
effect
on
your
health,
but
unfortunately,
only
36.7
of
kentuckians
are
protected
from
second-hand
smoke
in
their
workplace
by
a
comprehensive
smoke-free
ordinance.
G
G
This
is
even
more
important
because
a
study
just
came
out
in
may
that's
found
that
kentucky
youth
specifically
who
live
in
counties
with
a
comprehensive
smoke-free
ordinance,
are
23
percent,
less
less
likely
to
smoke
cigarettes.
So
this
is
having
a
direct
effect
on
the
the
future,
the
next
generation
of
kentuckians,
and
then
I
have
one
last
success
story
for
us
and
I'm
so
excited
that.
Actually,
the
two
people
pictured
here
drove
up
from
hazard
today
and
we
have
sherry
and
tara,
say
hi.
G
They
have
well,
first
of
all,
they're,
just
rock
stars
and
they've
received
awards.
They
got
an
award
at
the
kentucky
public
health
association
conference
this
year
for
their
work,
but
I
wanted
to
highlight
them
because
they
worked
with
not
county
schools
and
the
not
county
school
board
to
pass
a
100
tobacco
free
school
policy
in
july,
so
that
school
system
is
now
completely
tobacco-free
and
does
not
allow
smoking
on
its
ground.
So
we
are
so
excited
to
hear
that
we're
going
to
give
them
a
plaque
later
today.
G
G
We
also
have
nine
percent
going
toward
prevention
media
for
youth,
which
is
mostly
social
media,
we're
trying
to
get
on
tick
tock,
that's
a
little
bit
beyond
me,
we're
working
with
professionals,
but
that
is
really
important
to
meet
the
youth
where
they
are.
We
then
have
13,
which
is
supplemented
by
cdc,
going
to
the
quit
lines,
which
is
the
quit
now
kentucky
1
800
quit
now
that
I
mentioned,
and
also
our
quit
line,
that
is
specifically
for
people
who
are
under
18.
G
and
then
finally,
we
have
28
percent
going
to
our
partners.
So
that's
kentucky
cancer
program
that
I
mentioned
working
with
our
military
bases
and
the
veterans
affairs
centers,
that's
the
I
can
and
the
trend
uk
students
going
out
into
the
communities
at
no
cost
to
the
schools
and
and
our
other
partners
across
the
state.
G
So
from
all
of
that,
I
hope
that
my
one
of
my
big
takeaways
for
you
is
that
you
can
see
why
cdc
estimates
that
for
every
dollar
the
state
is
investing
in
a
program
like
this
you're
getting
a
55
return
on
investment.
So
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
E
You
so
much
for
that
presentation.
First,
a
small
point
of
privilege
and
a
shout
out
to
one
of
the
cities
in
my
district
dayton
kentucky
which
just
passed
their
non-smoking
ordinance
for
the
city
just
last
week
and
I'm
I'm
happy
for
them
and
hopeful
that
the
businesses
that
were
hesitant
about
that
will
see
that
when
everyone
is
on
that
same
page,
that
it
can
be
a
good
thing
for
the
businesses
in
the
area.
E
I
have
a
question
for
you
on
smoking,
cessation
and
this
one's
a
little
personal,
because
I
love
deeply
in
my
life,
who
gave
up
cigarettes
a
few
years
ago
in
exchange
for
vaping
under
the
the
guys
that
it
would
help
them
step
down
from
smoking.
But
what
I've
seen
is
is
their
reliance
on
the
vape
pen.
Now,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
any
advice
for
us
on
things
we
might
be
able
to
do
or
messaging
we
might
be
able
to
share.
E
It
would
help
people
better
understand
what
sort
of
the
equivalent
number
of
cigarettes
would
be
to
vape
products,
because
I
don't
think
that
that's
very
transparent
and
I
feel
like
people
are
maybe
becoming
even
more
addicted
to
nicotine
through
a
product
they
were
trying
to
use
to
become
less
addicted.
Do
you
have
any
advice
for
us
on
that.
G
Absolutely
it's
a
really
really
hard
question
in
part
because
of
the
lack
of
regulation
around
e-cigarettes.
So
actually
there
was
a
study
that
found
that
99
of
e-cigarettes
contain
nicotine,
even
including
ones
that
say
zero
percent
nicotine
and
there
has
not
been
a
lot
of
oversight
over
that.
Unfortunately,
so
when
you
ask
a
question
like
how
much
nicotine
is
is
in
this
compared
to
a
cigarette
oftentimes,
you
have
to
test
the
product.
You
know
product
by
product
and
if
it's
you
know
been
made
in
somebody's
garage,
then
it
might
be
different.
G
You
know
from
pack
to
pack
even
the
same
brand.
We
do
know
that
jewel
pods,
which
were
really
popular.
One
pod,
I
think,
was
equal
to
an
entire
pack
of
cigarettes
in
terms
of
nicotine,
but
it
can
be
really
challenging
to
know
that.
We
also
know
that
a
lot
of
people
do
start
vaping,
thinking
that
it's
going
to
help
them
quit
smoking
and
that
usually
doesn't
work.
G
I
don't
have
a
statistic
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
a
lot
of
people
end
up
just
doing
both,
which
is
worse
than
just
doing
one
or
the
other.
Actually,
I
can
look
into
some
more
for
that
and
information
on
that,
but
the
biggest
takeaway
I
think
I
would
say,
is
that
all
of
the
resources
that
help
people
quit
smoking
that
are
fda
approved
to
do
that,
like
the
patch
gum
1-800
quit
now
are
good
for
other
nicotine
addictions
as
well.
G
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
it's
always
good
to
see
ellen.
I
guess
I've
watched
her
grow
up
and.
F
But
you
know
it
just
reminded
me
that
might
as
well
mention
amazon.
I
represented
them
for
several
years,
and
you
know
the
tobacco
impacted
communities,
not
just
the
farmers,
but
the
communities
that
relied
on
incidental
and
economic
impact
might
as
well
is
a
really
good
example.
When
the
cardinal
family's
been
it's
very
instrumental
in
in
adapting
as
well
to
to
make
up
for
those
that
money
that
came
from
the
farm
to
town
and
build
the
community.
F
But
the
the
question
kind
of
will
segue
into
my
question,
and
if
it's
can
we
because
I've
been
trying
to
talk
about
vaping
for
a
long
time,
for
the
very
reasons
that
you
just
mentioned,
and
I
don't
think
we
have
enough
conversation
about
it.
But
I
was
curious
on
the
health
care
cost
side,
which
was
a
component
of
the
tobacco
settlement
money
that
has
bill
611
as
well.
Can
we
tease
out
the
tobacco-related
data
or
costs
as
compared
to
the
vaping?
G
F
I
think
that's
important
and
I
think
that
would
help
maybe
spur
us
to
have
a
conversation,
of
course
that
conversation's
got
to
occur
on
the
federal
level.
I
mean
that
oversight
that
you're
talking
about
we,
we
can't
you
know,
make
it
make
a
big
difference
in,
but
I
think
there
are
areas
and-
and
some
of
the
litigation
has
shown
against
jewell
and
others
that
you
know
the
same
things
are
happening
there.
That's
happened
with
the
in
the
tobacco
industry
and
as
far
as
marketing
appeal
and
mislabeling
and
etc,
etc.
F
But
you
know
we,
I
don't
think
we
have
the
conversation
enough.
I
think,
if
we
tease
could
tease
out
some
data
that
that
may
help
us,
because
I
too
have
friends
that
went
down
the
vape
path
that
I
and
then
ended
up
getting
covered
and
paying
paying
prices
for
that,
and
I
think
cobit
has
has
also
exacerbated
and
accelerated
and
it
added
additional
cost
to
that
population
that
utilizes,
the
vape
and
or
tobacco,
but
certainly
the
vaping,
because
we
don't
know
what's
in
it,
we
don't
know
what
they're
being
exposed
to.
G
Absolutely
there
there's
there's
been
some
research
to
back
up
that
people
who
vape
are
potentially
more
likely
to
get
coveted
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
research
that
shows
that
people
who
smoke
are
or
vape
are
more
likely
to
have
very
serious
results
of
of
cova,
so
more
likely
to
be
hospitalized
and
more
likely
to
die,
and
it
all
has
to
do
with
that
that
lung
health
issue,
so
I'd
be
happy
to
look
more
into
that.
G
I'm
also
glad
that
you
mentioned
jewel,
because
you
all
probably
saw
in
the
news
that
their
jewel
has
a
439
million
dollar
settlement
right
now
over
the
way
that
they
have
marketed
to
to
teens.
That
is
a
settlement
with
33
states
and
kentucky
is
one
of
them,
but
we
don't
know
yet
how
what
kentucky's
portion
of
that
will
be
or
where
those
funds
will
go.
But
that's
something
that
I
would
be
really
interested
to
to
follow.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
was
looking
at
your
chart
on
the
second
hand,
smoke
and
and
the
counties
that
have
outlawed
tobacco
use,
and
I
was
on
city
council
in
another
lifetime
on
lfecg,
and
I
think
that
fayette
county
was
the
first
county
to
go
smokeless
right.
It.