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C
C
A
Okay
before
we
get
started,
I
just
want
to
say
this:
we
have
a
very,
very
full
agenda
this
morning.
So
as
as
we
move
through
this-
and
I
love
all
of
you-
but
I
don't
want
to
spend
the
entire
day
with
you-
I'm
sure
we've
all
got
stuff.
We've
got
to
get
done,
so
let's
keep
our
grand
standing
to
a
minimum
and
keep
our
questions
to
questions
and
roll
through
this
as
efficiently
as
possible
and
move
forward.
First
item
agenda
is
consideration.
C
A
Motion
by
representative
meredith,
sir
second,
second,
second,
by
representative
bowling
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
C
A
D
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
spend
time
with
you
this
morning.
I
had
to
admit
my
feeling's
a
little
bit
hurt
to
know
that
you
don't
want
to
spend
the
full
day
with
me,
but
I'll
learn
to
deal
with
it.
You
know
this
contract
contracts.
I
should
say
this:
past
year
we've
had
a
lot
of
contracts
that
were
considered,
maybe
controversial
a
little
bit
contentious
and
we
have
disapproved-
and
I'm
really
kind
of
surprised
that
we
have
not
had
a
lot
of
attention
to
these
and
in
the
media.
E
In
fact,
I
can't
recall
having
a
phone
call
from
anyone
other
than
these
two
particular
contracts
where
I
got
a
call
from
jack
brennan
with
the
lexington
herald
leader,
and
he
asked
me
about
it
and
you
may
have
seen
his
article
but
a
little
bit
disturbed
by
the
headline
that
says
that
center
steve
meredith
spearheads
efforts
to
united
states
contracts
with
california
over
lgbtq
rights
and
just
want
to
make
the
position
perfectly
clear.
That's
not
the
issue!
E
E
That's
a
true
statement,
but
he
didn't
give
you
the
rest
of
that
quote,
which
was
but
that's
not
why
I'm
opposed
to
these
contracts.
It's
because
california
does
not
wreck
the
sovereignty
of
the
state
of
kentucky.
We
passed
a
law
regardless
of
what
it
was
about
in
2017
that
have
seen
no
impact
on
california
whatsoever,
but
yet
they
saw
it
necessary
to
take
the
action
to
ban
their
employees
from
coming
to
the
state
of
kentucky,
and
that
was
supposed
to
include
athletic
teams
as
well,
but
apparently
that
portion
of
it
has
not
been
enforced.
E
So
a
little
bit
of
hypocrisy
there
in
itself.
But
again
I
want
to
make
it
perfect
clear
why
I
oppose
these
contracts.
It's
because
they
do
not
recognize
the
sovereignty
of
the
state
of
kentucky
and
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
very
terrible
precedent
to
set
for
not
just
kentucky
but
every
state.
You
know
what
other
legislation
might
be
passed
in
the
future
that
may
be
offensive
to
another
state
that
does
not
infect
them
whatsoever,
so
this
is
kind
of
drawing
the
line
in
the
sand.
E
E
You
know,
mr
in
this
article,
mr
chris
hartman
is
quoted,
is
kind
of
chastising
our
legislation,
our
legislature,
for
passing
this
legislation
to
begin
with,
and
he
says
in
essence,
we
should
be
ashamed
of
what
we've
done
well,
that
kind
of
narrow-minded,
bigoted
thinking,
creates
another
problems,
because
this
type
of
action
by
california
does
not
discriminate.
E
D
I
appreciate
you
senator
meredith
and
again
understand
your
concern
as
before,
and
we
share
in
the.
I
think
we
share
in
the
sentiment
that
job
creation
is
incredibly
important.
The
university
of
louisville
is
one
of
the
largest
employers
in
the
city
of
louisville,
and
certainly
also
then
in
the
commonwealth.
This
is
about
talent
attraction.
It
really
is
the
search
firm
contracts.
D
As
we've
talked
about
last
month,
it's
important
to
us
to
have
a
slate,
a
grouping
of
search
firms
to
use
in
this
process.
Given
the
number
of
search,
we
search
as
we
do
the
potential
for
different
firms
to
conflict
each
other
out,
and
we
we
continue
to
believe
that
these
two
search,
firm
contracts
are
important.
I'd
also
note
that
this
body
had
approved
these
two
search
firms
for
previous
searches
at
the
university
of
louisville
and
the
corn
ferry
organization.
That's
a
global
search
firm
though
this
one
was
registered
out
of
the
state
of
california.
D
They
have
offices
in
many
states,
conducted
the
search
for
the
athletic
director
at
uofl
in
2018
and
for
the
general
council
in
2020,
and
the
starbuck
pimentel
group
conducted
the
search
in
2019
for
the
executive.
Vice
president
for
research
and
innovation,
I'd
argue
three
great
hires
for
the
university
of
louisville
and
two
of
those
three
individuals
ended
up
being
kentuckians
folks
from
louisville
folks
from
the
commonwealth
from
those
two
from
those
two
of
those
three
searches.
E
Chair
cook,
you
know
I've
been
approached
by
a
couple
of
people
about
these
contracts
and
one
I
understand
that
our
committee
staff
here
was
approached
us
if
we
had
ever
denied
a
california
contract
before
I'm
not
sure
what
the
purpose
of
that
question
was
other
than
possibly
suggest
that
we're
holding
uofl
out
solely
on
this
issue,
but
I
assure
you
that
we
have
denied
contracts
before
I
was
one
did
that
I
think
back
in
2018
or
19
with
motorcycle
safety
and
motorcycle
training
and
a
registered
objection
then
have
we
denied
every
contract
from
california.
E
I
don't
know
that
we
have
because,
as
you
folks
know,
we
see
hundreds
of
these
and
they're
hard
to
catch,
but
one
that
is
visible
from
a
a
into
such
a
university
of
louisville
certainly
stands
out.
You
know
I've
been
told
that
this
is
a
vital
for
the
university
of
kentucky,
because
one
of
these
firms
is
the
preeminent
recruiter
in
in
maybe
not
just
nationally,
but
internationally.
E
Someone
else
can
do
the
job,
and
quite
kindly
sometimes
I
like
to
work
with
the
number
two
rather
than
number
one,
because
they
try
harder
and
to
suggest
that
if
we
do
not
approve
these
contracts,
that
that
keeps
the
university
of
louisville
from
doing
their
job
and
creating
the
type
they
need,
I
think,
is
disingenuous,
I
think,
is
misleading
and
doesn't
address.
The
issue
is:
is
the
university
of
louisville?
We
understand
with
our
legislature
and
saying
what
california
did
was
inappropriate.
D
The
university
of
louisville
certainly
stands
with
the
general
assembly
and
we
appreciate
all
of
the
support
of
the
general
assembly
throughout
time.
But
again
we
would
ask
that
the
committee
continue
to
consider
these
search
firm
contracts.
I
agree
with
you
senator
meredith
that
no
one
firm
is
irreplaceable.
D
E
Just
to
summarize
my
position,
I
guess
co-chair
cook
is
again:
I
know
how
this
dance
works.
We
can
approve
this
contract
and
allow
this
egregious
action
to
go
unanswered
or
we
can
disapprove
it
and
I'm
sure
it
will
be
overturned
by
the
finance
cabinet
and
even
dr
benaputi
has
that
privilege
herself
to
do
that
or
university
of
louisville
can
respect
the
wishes
of
this
committee
and
and
withdraw
these
contracts,
and
I
take
from
mr
white's
conversation
that
that's
not
their
interest.
E
E
While
this
may
benefit
the
university
of
louisville
and
I
think
the
amount
of
benefit
they
get
from.
It
is
questionable,
but
if
it
benefits
them,
but
it's
a
detriment
to
our
state,
then
it's
not
a
win-win
relationship.
That's
again
why
I
asked
and
withdraw
this
contract,
so
we
can
send
a
message
to
california
and
or
any
other
state
that
if
we
pass
legislation,
that's
specifically
kentucky
they
have
no
right
to
interfere
with
it.
F
I
just
wanted
to
find
out.
It
seemed
like
to
me
we
had
eight
or
so
other
contracts
last
meeting
that
were
on
the
same
theme
and
basically
the
point
of
these
two
being
just
so
indispensable
was
because
they
would
broaden
the
pool.
But
can
we
hear
we
heard
about
the
corn
ferry
contract?
Can
we
hear
about
the
spna
and
how
indispensable
they
are
as
compared
to
our
other
firms
or
the
other
firms
not
really
doing
that?
Much
or
these
are
the
main
ones
we're
using
or
are
these
like?
D
I
appreciate
senator
we
put
forward
eight
contracts
for
review
by
this
group.
Six
were
by
this
committee.
Six
were
passed
in
the
last
committee
meeting
these
two
as
you've
heard
corn
perry
is
one
of
the
preeminent
international
search
firms
on
starbuck
pimentel
and
associates.
They
are
one
of
the
larger
higher
education
search
firms.
They
have
expertise
in
a
number
of
areas
and
again
they
conducted
the
search
for
executive.
D
F
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
because
what
I'm
hearing
is
a
lot
of
these
have
overlapping
abilities,
and
some
of
them
also
have
overlapping
locations.
Is.
Am
I
clear
that
this
spna
is
a
california
focused
or
located
versus
corn
ferries
global?
You
mentioned
multiple
locations.
Okay,.
D
F
I
just
I
just
don't
see
that
they're
so
indispensable
that
we
have
to
have
them
and
I,
but
I
certainly
don't
want
to
encourage
our
vendors
to
be
address
swapping
because
I'm
already
noticing
that
in
other
places
and
actually
was
going
to
be
talking
about
that
on
other
other
items.
But
this
one
seems
to
be
california
specific,
the
other,
maybe
not
so
much
just
making
that
clear.
F
G
I
don't
think
this
committee
needs
to
be
in
the
business
of
disapproving
contracts
as
a
university
faculty
member,
I'm
not
a
huge
fan
of
search
firms
period.
However,
it
is
the
standard
that
that
we
use
in
higher
education,
and
if
this
firm
in
california
has
a
good
track
record,
then
I
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
they
can
use
those.
So
I
don't
think
that
this
is
the
place.
G
A
A
G
G
D
A
All
of
your
support-
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
here
with
us
this
morning.
Next
order
of
business
is
consideration
of
the
agenda,
including
the
deferred
list,
personal
service
contract
list,
personal
service
contract,
amendment
list,
memorandum
of
agreement
list,
memorandum
of
agreement,
amendment
list
and
the
corrections
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review.
A
C
A
H
E
E
I
know
this
was
a
very
hot
topic
about
a
decade
ago
and
just
curious
is
to
kind
of
what
the
the
state
of
the
nation
is
with
regard
to.
This
fund
now
begin
with.
How
is
this
fund
funded.
H
Mr
senator
meredith,
the
fund
is
funded
through
a
1.4
fee
or
tax
on
each
gallon
of
gasoline
sold
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
federal
law.
Federal
environmental
laws
require
patrol
underground
storage
tank
owners
to
have
some
type
of
financial
mechanism.
In
the
event
they
have
a
release
from
their
system.
H
Kentucky
like
many
states,
because
because
fuel
in
this
in
this
particular
setting
is
a
cultural
necessity
kentucky,
like
many
other
states,
uses
a
fund
like
this
to
offset
liability
that
a
tank
owner
may
have
for
releases
that
occur.
The
fund
does
not
does
not
cover
their
responsibility
to
have
their
systems
in
compliance
with
what
the
rules
require,
but
it
does
provide
to
a
million
dollars
per
occurrence
for
releases
of
petroleum
from
underground
storage
tank
systems.
H
I
I
don't
really
have
I've.
I've
been
involved
with
the
program
for
a
while,
and
some
of
the
numbers
are
a
little
little
foggy
in
my
mind.
I
remember
six.
Eight
ten
years
ago
our
our
actuarial
showed
us
somewhere
in
the
250
million
dollar
liability
range
back
in
2011.
We
completely
revamped
our
cleanup
approach.
I
have
a
couple
of
really
good
remediation
hydrogeologists
in
my
program.
We
completely
revamped
that
and
what
we
did
was
we.
We
began
to
realize
that
we
shouldn't
treat
every
side
of
this.
H
That
were
the
same
because
one
of
the
one
of
the
at
least
good
good
aspects
of
petroleum
is,
it
tends
to
actually
attenuate
the
ground,
so
we
realized
we
were
spending
way
too
much
time
treating
every
site
as
if
it
were
the
same,
so
we
were
able
to
close
out
a
significant
number
of
our
underground
storage
tank
sites,
which
is
good
for
the
program.
H
So
you
know,
tank
systems
have
improved.
The
requirements
have
changed
so
that
better
tanks
are
in
the
ground,
but
still
periodically
they're
going
to
be
those
cases
or
instances
where
a
piece
of
faulty
equipment
or
something
was
installed
wrongly.
We
still
continue
to
have
tank
systems
come
into
the
program,
but
this
is
for
lack
of
a
better
way.
To
put
it.
E
I
Yes,
I'm
sorry
hold
on
just
one
second
well
right
now,
there's
currently
36.3
million
in
the
in
the
fund,
but
we
do
have
a
30
million
fund
transfer.
That
will
happen
by
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
transfer
to
the
general
fund
and
we're
projecting
maybe
to
have
about
5
million
carry
forward
into
next
fiscal
year.
I
Yes,
sir,
they
have
built
in
a
fund
transfer
for
the
last
several
years.
Out
of
this
account.
I
Ooh,
no,
no
sir,
not
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
reference
in
fy
19.
We
transferred
out
11.5,
fy,
20,
11.5
and
then
30
million
this
year,
and
I
think
we're
scheduled
for
13
million
next
year.
E
Appreciate
that
I
appreciate
it
very,
very
insightful,
I
appreciate
it
and
you
know
I
would
kind
of
hope
that
maybe
we
could
leave
these
funds
alone.
Let
them
kind
of
build
an
endowment
in
the
fund,
eventually
take
care
of
itself.
We
could
eliminate
the
the
assessment
altogether,
but
apparently
that's
not
what
has
been
happening,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
information
and
mr,
I
have
no
other
questions.
A
J
A
E
I
do
jared
cook
and
another
opportunity
for
some
education.
I
hope
you
folks
can
appreciate
that
all
we
get
is
a
thumbnail,
this
description
of
what
these
expenditures
are
for,
and
I
guess
I
just
want
some
clarification-
is
the
purpose
of
this
contract.
K
Yeah
sure
I'll
I'll
jump
in
and
just
do
a
quick
summary
if
that
would
be
okay.
So
this
contract
is
really
a
multi-part
contract.
If
you
will
for
several
things
that
pushes
on
our
state,
systemic
or
I'm
sorry,
our
spp
apr,
which
is
our
state
performance
plan,
annual
performance
report
in
each
state's
required
to
have
one
of
these
under
the
federal
individuals
with
disabilities
education
act
in
in
the
spp
apr,
we
have
a
series
of
17
results
and
compliance
indicators
of
the
idea,
and
this
contract
actually
focuses
on
three
of
those.
K
It
focuses
on
indicator
8,
which
is
the
parent
involvement
and
satisfaction
of
parents
of
students
with
disabilities
indicator
of
14,
which
is
the
transition
for
youth
with
disabilities
and
indicator
17,
which
is
our
state
systemic
improvement
plan,
and
I
know
that's
a
that's
a
lot
of
information,
but
just
to
give
you
a
little
background
on
each
of
those,
the
indicator
8,
the
parent
perception
and
involvement
survey.
K
What
we
do
with
that
is
we
work
through
the
university
of
kentucky
to
release
a
survey
each
year,
that's
actually
opened
for
from
february
to
june,
and
we
from
the
department
of
education.
We
push
this
survey
out
into
local
school
districts
and
then
directors
of
special
education
or
arc
admissions
and
release
committee
chair
people
send
this
survey
out
to
their
parents.
K
It's
available
in
three
languages,
and
parents
are
provided
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
with
their
feedback
and
their
perception
on
whether
or
not
their
child's
school
involved
them
in
the
education
of
their
child
and
how
they
might
improve
and
get
better.
We
work
each
year
to
improve
our
response
rate
on
that.
We're
actually
set
this
year
to
get
approximately
8
000
responses
from
parents,
and
it's
been
you
know
over
the
years.
The
feedback
has
vary,
but
it's
been
relatively
positive
and
we
do
meet
our
indicator
for
this.
K
Our
contractors
at
the
university
of
kentucky
actually
have
a
online
interfacing
tool
and
they
build
that.
They.
They
pull
the
results
from
that,
and
this
is
actually
a
youth
one
year
out.
That's
what
yo-yo
stands
for,
and
so
when,
when
youth
are
a
year
out,
they
have
exited
high
school,
whether
it
be
graduation
dropout
or
whatever.
K
That
looks
like
alternate
pathway,
whatever
the
folks
that
the
university
of
kentucky
actually
work
with
local
school
districts
to
have
interviewers
reach
out
to
the
youth
a
year
after
they're
exiting
and
the
reason
for
this
is
to
not
only
determine
if
they're
involved
in
higher
education
or
and
or
competitive
employment.
But
if
so,
why
not?
What
are
the
barriers
to
successful
outcomes
for
students
and
what
might
districts
and
the
department
of
education
do
to
break
down
those
barriers?
K
This
is
this
report
is
provided
annually.
There's
a
public
report
available
that
we're
happy
to
make
available
to
you
as
well.
It
actually
provides
a
a
lot
of
information
for
us.
You
know,
for
example,
just
some
quick
data
from
that.
We
know
that
40.4
of
all
students
with
ieps
are
competitively
employed
employed,
and
these
are
for
those
who
exited.
In
the
2018-19
school
year,
17.8
of
those
students
went
on
to
higher
education
and
31.8
percent
were
unengaged
in
any
form
of
work
or
school.
K
We
also
know
that
over
the
years,
the
data
from
this
has
shown
that
paid
during
high
school
is
the
number
one
predictor
of
future
employment
for
all
age
groups.
So
then,
this
information
helps
us
work
through,
like
the
community
work
transition
program,
to
ensure
that
our
students
with
disabilities
are
actively
engaged
in
meaningful
and
competitive
work.
K
We
also
you
know
they
the
university
of
kentucky.
They
disaggregate
the
data
for
us
and
provide
us
additional
information.
For
example,
we
know
that
african-american
students
have
higher
rates
of
both
education
and
employment
rates
than
do
their
white
peers.
So
that's,
that's.
You
know
information,
that's
not
only
beneficial
for
us
to
review,
but
it
also
informs
our
work
at
the
department.
It
informs
the
work
of
the
regional
cooperatives
and
it
informs
the
work
of
the
local
school
districts
and
we
have
speaking
of
those
interviewers.
K
You
know,
anecdotally
what
what
may
have
stood
in
the
way
of
students
who
aren't
actively
engaged
post
high
school
and
then
another
component
of
this
was
the
indicator
17,
which
is
the
state
systemic
improvement
plan
and
and
the
idea
for
that
is
really
to
improve
results
for
students
with
disabilities.
And
this
changed
when
the
u.s
department
of
education
in
2014
said
to
states
basically
you're
doing
great
jobs
with
compliance
of
the
idea.
But
what
about
results
for
students
with
disabilities
and
they
they
began.
K
This
results
driven
accountability
model
and
through
that
states
were
charged
with
identifying
the
areas.
The
biggest
areas
of
need
for
students
with
disabilities
and
developing
a
state
identified,
measurable,
measurable
result,
which
we
lovingly
refer
to
as
a
simmer,
to
determine
how
we're
going
to
push
on
results
for
students
with
disabilities,
and
at
that
time
we
reviewed
our
academic
data
across
the
state
and
our
math
mathematics.
K
Data
was
was
pretty
pretty
bleak,
and
so
we
focused
on
improving
math
outcomes
and
we
measure
that,
at
the
eighth
grade
level
and
and
the
folks
at
the
university
of
kentucky
help
us
provide
an
annual
evaluation
of
where
we
are
with
this
target
each
year.
They
also
provide
us
with
quarterly
updates
and
and
help
us
tweak
any
measures
that
that
need
to
be
along
the
way,
and
then
this
contract
also
includes
a
some
facilitation,
because
we
know
as
we
as
we
develop
the
targets
for
our
state
performance
plan.
K
We
want
to
ensure
that
we
have
all
stakeholder
feedback
in
that,
and
that
includes
parents,
the
state
advisory
panel
for
exceptional
children,
directors
of
special
education
and
all
others
across
the
commonwealth,
who
have
a
vested
interest
in
students.
And
so
we
we
work
through
the
university
of
kentucky
to
have
a
professional
facilitator,
engage
in
those
meetings
so
that
we're
able
to
gather
all
of
the
important
feedback
from
stakeholders.
K
E
There's
a
lot
of
information.
I
appreciate
greatly
and
I
certainly
have
been
educated
on
this
particular
contract
and
importance
of
it.
You
know
at
first
glance
it
looks
like
we're
just
kind
of
gathering
data
for
federal
reporting
purposes,
but
it
does
look
like
your
folks
are
using
this
data
and
helping
formulate
plans
to
drive
our
education
system
for
the
commonwealth.
So
I
can
certainly
support
that
and
mr
I
don't
have
any
other
questions
any
other
I'll
make
a
motion
to
prove.
A
J
A
A
F
N
N
Hi,
I'm
dana
steele
from
the
kentucky
department
of
education.
I
direct
the
grants,
and
so
your
question
is
asking
about
how
we're
making
a
plan
for
including
early
education
into
our
school
system,
and
a
big
component
of
this
grant
is
to
try
to
partner
the
early
child
care
centers
with
schools
and
to
also
reach
out
to
parents
in
a
stronger
way
so
that
they
can
partner
with
the
schools
early.
N
F
So
to
be
clear,
a
student
might
have
you
know
you
might
have
a
kindergarten
student.
That
then
has
a
younger
sibling
born.
But
let's
say
it's
the
people's
first
child.
How
does
the
department
of
education
reach
out
to
a
parent
when
they
don't
know
that
they're,
a
parent.
N
That's
a
that's
a
very
good
question
and
one
of
the
things
our
our
districts
have
been
very,
very
creative
in
ways
that
they
reach
out
to
parents
so
doing
things
like
having
baby
showers
in
the
community
and
talking
to
them
about
ways
to
interact
with
their
child,
to
make
to
build
a
strong
foundation
for
literacy
and
so
the
reaching
out
to
the
community
in
lots
of
different
ways.
N
They're
reaching
out
through
health
departments
they're
reaching
out
through
community
events
having
tables
set
up
at
community
events,
so
they're
being
very
creative
and
just
thinking
of
any
way
they
can
connect
with
families
in
their
community,
whether
they
have
children
already
in
the
school
system
or
not.
N
So
this
is
a
federal
grant.
That
is
mainly
focused
on
professional
learning,
for
teachers
to
make
them
more
effective
in
reading
and
writing.
However,
as
a
part
of
the
federal
application,
we
had
to
also
have
a
plan
for
reaching
out
to
children
birth,
all
the
way
to
grade
12.,
and
so,
although
professional
learning
is
our
number
one
part
of
this,
that
literacy
plan
guides
the
professional
learning,
but
it's
also
guiding
that
we're
working
with
early
child
care
and
families,
and
so
it
is,
we
are
trying
to
put
all
of
those
pieces
together.
N
So
we've
got
partnerships,
we
have
a
partnership
in
the
governor's
cabinet
for
early
childhood,
we've
got
pritchard
committee
cabinet
for
families
and
children,
so
we
are
trying
to
connect
all
of
the
services
that
are
going
on
in
the
state,
but
our
grant
mainly
is
professional
learning
for
teachers
in
reading
and
writing.
N
System
and
that
it
impacts
schools
across
the
district.
Please,
yes,
in
order
to
apply
for
this,
there
had
to
be
a
65
or
more
rate
for
free
and
reduced
lunch
within
the
high
school
and
when
they
applied
that
included
all
the
middle
schools,
elementary
schools
and
all
the
day,
preschools
and
day
cares
that
fed
into
that
high
school.
So
that's
the
way
that
works,
and
they
are
required
as
a
part
of
this
grant,
to
connect
with
early
child
care
centers
and
offer
to
provide
professional
learning
and
materials.
F
Mr
chairman,
you
know
the
I
my
friends
in
these
districts.
I
certainly
understand
why
they
would
apply
for
this
grant,
because
you
know
any
money
is
more
money
to
spend
on
things
that
we
want
to
accomplish.
F
The
federal
funds
concern
me
a
lot
when
we
start
talking
about
dumping
money
into
private
child
care
centers
through
the
department
of
education
that,
frankly,
I
don't
see
how
they
exactly
have
any
jurisdiction
over
children
at
birth
through
whatever
age
they
don't
attend
school,
and
I
I'm
just
very
uncomfortable
with
this
kind
of
grants.
F
Part
of
our
job
is
to
oversee
not
only
taxpayer
dollars.
These
are
all
obviously
flow-through
dollars,
but
also
making
sure
that
there's
not
you,
know,
strings
attached
that
are
going
to
negatively
impact
our
constituents
or
their
services,
because
we
are
the
state
we
need
to
keep
our
eyes
on
the
ball
and
watch
out
federal
overreach.
Frankly,
so
I'm
not
comfortable
with
these.
F
O
Can
I
explain
my
yes
folks,
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
senator
southworth
has
said
and
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
on
the
contract,
but
I
do
think
that
senator
southworth
is
exactly
right.
I
I
don't
know
that
the
department
of
education
has
jurisdiction
from
birth.
O
I
think
that's
a
government
overreach,
I'm
a
very
big
fan
of
of
reading
recovery
and
some
of
the
great
programs
we
have
out
there
that
reach
out
not
only
to
the
student
but
to
the
parent
and
help
them
with
literacy.
I
think
they
do
a
great
job
and
I
know
there
was
a
push
and
senator
southward.
It's
worth
mentioning
that,
there's
a
push
to
eliminate
that
something
that
has
proven
to
work.
O
You
know
I'm
a
little
skeptical
and
I
I
applaud
you
all
for
getting
these.
Are
these
counties
for
getting
these
grants
and
I
think
it's
good
because
I
know
those
counties.
There
are
some
some
poorer
counties
with
not
a
lot
of
industrial
base,
not
a
lot
of
tax
base,
and
so
I
hope
it
helps
them.
But
I
would
remind
you
we'll
you
know.
I
would
like
to
call
you
all
back
next
year
to
see
what
effect
this
has
had,
because
I
am
very
skeptical
of
it.
O
E
Let's
play
my
vote,
mr
chair.
Probably
brief,
just
I'm
going
to
vote
I,
but
I
do
agree
with
senator
southworth
and
senator
hornback's
position
on
this.
I
think
we
need
to
scrutinize
a
little
bit
more
than
we
have
in
the
past.
So
how
about
I.
A
C
F
Yes,
I'm
taking
note
that
the
diamond
drugs
is
out
of
pennsylvania
and
got
this
contract
and
has
others
as
well.
I
want
to
get
an
idea.
I
had
a
constituent
reaching
out
to
me
who
is
concerned
that
we
don't
seem
to
have
a
lot
of,
or
perhaps
any
of,
these
type
contracts
being
carried
out
from
our
kentucky
pharmacies.
C
Certainly,
we
had
three
bidders
on
this.
Two
of
them
were
from
out
of
state.
One
of
them
was
from
kentucky.
C
The
the
out
of
state
bidder
did
end
up
being
awarded
on
this,
and
we
use
several
different
factors
to
score
the
various
bid
packets.
I
can
tell
you
the
heavily
the
most
heavily
weighted
factor
in
these
contracts.
The
thing
that's
looked
at
as
far
as
the
biggest
factor
is
the
cost
and
the
the
bidder
that
won
this
contract
was
the
low-cost
bidder.
C
So
that
was
the
primary
factor
in
this.
The
way
we
did,
that
is,
we
looked
at
for
the
20
most
approximately
the
20
most
frequently
prescribed
prescriptions
for
the
youth
that
we
have
custody
of.
C
We
asked
them
to
provide
us
what
the
cost
of
those
would
be,
and
the
winning
bidder
diamond
pharmacy
told
us
that
for
those
approximate
20
prescriptions
it
was
47.11.
C
The
pharmacy
from
kentucky
is
a
organization
called
pharmacy
alternatives.
They
told
us
it
was
154
and
74
cents
so
that
they
actually
were
the
the
highest
cost
bidder
the
pharmacy
from
kentucky.
But
we
also
look
at
things
like
previous
experience.
Ability
to
conform
with
performance
guidelines
references
previous
contracts
with
the
state
of
kentucky.
C
With
regard
to
these
pharmaceutical
services,
the
the
committee
that
was
looking
at
this
scored
it
with
the
company
from
pennsylvania,
scored
the
highest,
and
I
believe
that
was
primarily
based
on
the
fact
that
they
were
the
low-cost
bidder.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
committee
is
not
the
time
to
get
into
the
entirety
of
the
pharmaceutical
industry,
but
I
am
aware
that
in
medical
and
a
number
of
other
things,
and
particularly
as
I
was
talking
to
my
constituents
in
the
industry
and
I've-
had
concerns
about
these
benefit
managers
and
and
the
inability
to
really
correctly
ascertain
what
the
prices
are
going
to
be,
and
I
don't
know
exactly
how
that
relates
with
the
juvenile
justice.
F
We're
necessarily
handling
that
how
we
can
know
these
costs,
but
certainly
it's
something
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at.
Perhaps
breaking
some
of
these
up
in
smaller
pieces
that
our
kentucky
pharmacies
can
participate
in
more
easily
and
or
getting
a
wrangle
on
the
pharmacy
benefit.
Manager's
whole
disaster,
so
that
we
actually
can
have
a
sure
price
tag
on
our
health
care
products.
O
And
then
let
me
make
a
comment
before
you
answer
that
this
I
think
is
true,
mr
chairman,
with
all
of
our
state
contracts
from
everybody
that
I
talk
to,
whether
it's
road
contractor
or
engineers
or
whoever
our
our
system,
we
have
to
get
in
place
to
be
able
to
apply
for
contracts
within
the
state
of
kentucky.
O
I
think,
is
overly
restrictive
that
it's
very
complicated
a
lot
of
times
that
it's
difficult.
We
put
up
fences
to
not
allow
some
companies
or
some
companies
can't
get
in,
because
it's
just
so
restrictive
and
complicated
to
try
to
try
to
get
on
the
bid
list
for
the
state
of
kentucky.
O
Do
you
think,
that's
part
of
the
reason
with
these
pharmacies,
because
I've
got
numerous
pharmacies
that
do
this
same
thing
in
my
district
and
I
know
they're
all
over
the
state,
larger
pharmacies
that
do
this,
and
I
think
that
mr
chairman,
you
know,
sometime
in
the
future,
we're
gonna
have
to
look
at
the
way
we
we
allow
people
to
come
to
become
bidders
and
get
on
a
bid
list
for
the
state
of
kentucky.
O
But
do
you
think
this
had
a
played
a
part
in
why
we
don't
have
bidders
or
why
do
you
think
we
don't
have
bidders.
C
You
know,
I
think
that
very
well
could
have
been
a
factor.
I
would
acknowledge
that
there
is
some
complication
in
the
process.
There
is
a
lot
of
regulations
to
comply
with
and
it
is
a
complicated
procedure.
C
You
know,
and
I
would
welcome
any
effort
to
look
at
potentially
streamlining
that
at
the
same
time,
I
understand
and
respect
that
those
regulations
are
there
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
fair
process.
It
does
kind
of
make
it
a
tricky
situation,
sometimes
to
where
I
know,
as
when
we're
looking
for
vendors,
we're
very
cautious
about
not
wanting
to
necessarily
reach
out
to
somebody
and
make
it
seem
like
we're
trying
to
favor
any
particular
vendor
over
another
vendor.
C
So
I
can
understand
both
sides
of
it.
But
I
do
believe
in
this
circumstance
that
you
know
the
complication
as
far
as
getting
on
the
list
and
bidding
for.
These
is
an
investment
of
time
and
resources
for
companies
that
may
deter
some
local
pharmacies
from
applying.
O
Mr
chairman,
just
follow
up
thanks
for
that
comment
and
I
think
he's
exactly
right
in
all
of
our
bid
process.
I
wouldn't
would
hope
that
this
committee,
at
some
time,
whether
it's
a
special
meeting
or
something
I
think,
that's
something
we
need
to
look
into,
because
I
think
it
overly
inflates
the
cost
of
all
of
our
contracts
for
everything
we
do
here
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
O
C
Yes,
thank
you.
I'm
in
the
farmers
happy
happened
to
be
in
the
pharmacy
business
myself
and
actually
do
supply
long-term
drugs
to
various
facilities.
I've
actually
looked
at
a
contract
at
trying
to
get
together
a
contract
to
to
beat
diamond
drugs,
and
I
am
familiar
with
them.
We
could
not
get
anywhere
close
to
their
price
to
their
cost.
C
C
E
One
of
the
things
I
find
very
disturbing
is
the
scoring
of
contracts,
because
there's
no
science
to
it,
it
depends
on
each
cabinet
seems
to
have
their
own
methodology
for
it
and
it
changes
according
which
contract
it
is,
and
I
think,
we're
all
in
agreement
that
probably
a
chapter
45a
is
outdated
and
doesn't
work
anymore
and
I
think,
there's
potentially
millions
of
dollars
in
savings
to
the
commonwealth.
E
If
that
were
to
be
revamped,
I
think
it's
beyond
the
scope
of
this
committee
to
do
that
and
one
thing
I
would
possibly
encourage
the
finance
cabinet
to
do-
and
this
is
a
big
statement
considering
that
I
really
don't
like
consulting
contracts
but
to
engage
a
consultant
to
find
out
how
we
can
improve
this
process
and
bring
back
some
tangible
recommendations
is
how
we
can
truly
give
the
citizens
of
commonwealth
the
return
on
their
dollar,
because
I
think
it's
there.
This
needs
to
be
looked
at
needs
to
be
given
some
priority.
C
A
B
Good
morning
I'm
bethany
atkins
atkins-rice
legal
counsel
for
the
department
of
revenue.
E
Co-Chair
cook,
this
should
be
a
quick
one.
Two
questions
is
this:
the
capsule
description
we're
given
here
is
provide
funds
to
perform
appraisals
primarily
for
hotels
and
other
businesses
in
the
hospitality
area.
What
does
that
mean
for
performing
appraisals.
L
With
covid
last
year
that
a
lot
of
our
commercial
businesses
would
appeal
their
assessment.
N
N
L
L
E
A
J
A
E
Great
church,
mr
chair,
I
probably
could
have
pulled
contracts
21
through
32,
because
it's
not
the
the
the
the
contracts
themselves,
but
the
substance
of
them.
You
know
they're
so
broad
in
nature.
Mr
whitt-
and
I
know,
we've
probably
had
this
conversation
before
I
know
with
mr
hardin
sit
in
the
back
of
the
room
that
that
we
have
and-
and
these
things
concern
me
greatly
as
to
how
we
do
how
we
put
an
accountability
into
these
numbers.
E
You
know
we're
essence:
improving
a
budget
we're
not
approving
any
contracts.
So
I
just
the
whole
process
just
bothers
me.
So
when
I
pull
21,
it
really
is
all
these
others
that
you
know
provide
funds
for
various
things,
but
we
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
be
dispersed
and
that
I
guess
I
just
want
some
assurances
that
for
each
of
these
services,
we're
going
through
the
bidding
process
and
there's
some
validation
of
it.
E
J
J
So
you
know
the
architectural
category
that
you
pulled
the
contract
on,
for
example,
there's
a
list
of
nearly
20
vendors
there
that
have
been
pre-approved
all,
but
one
are
kentucky
companies,
the
one:
that's
not
it's
a
cincinnati
company
and
really
it's
just
a
matter
of
doing
business.
These
are
all
facilities
related
contracts.
J
E
J
The
list
of
the
architectural
companies
on
that
one
I
can
tell
you
there
are
not
any
just.
E
Just
just
beware
understood:
I
appreciate
that
and
again
it's
not
questioning
anybody's
integrity
with
regard
to
these,
but
I
think
it's
just
loose,
I'm
sure
there's
processes
in
place
at
each
of
our
respective
universities
to
make
sure
these
things
are
handled
appropriately.
But
again,
kentucky
has
a
history
of
sometimes
just
giving
contracts,
because
somebody
knows
somebody
who
knows
somebody.
So
I
hope
you
can
appreciate
my
his
regard
to
that.
But,
mr
chair,
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
Just
I
wanted
to
pursue
that
line
of
questioning.
Thank
you.
E
A
J
A
A
P
E
Yes,
sir,
mr
ellis
good
to
see
you
as
well
good
to
see
you,
sir,
I
know
you
presented
our
committee
before
and
have
always
done
an
excellent
job
and
yeah.
I
just
for
all
these
contracts.
I
understand
the
the
the
purpose
of
them.
Just
curious,
though,
is
how
we're
measuring
success
for
each
these
areas.
E
Certainly,
we
all
want
to
see
economic
development,
and
this
can
the
state
try
and
thrive,
but
I'm
just
curious
with
with
each
of
these
groups,
how
we're
measuring
success
is
one
doing
a
better
job
than
the
other,
and
can
one
learn
from
another
and
do
we
need
to
consolidate
this?
I
mean
a
thousand
different
questions,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
again
that
the
taxpayers
dollars
are
being
spent
as
wisely
as
possible
sounds.
P
These
are
our
very
same
concerns
I
got
voluntold
to
take
over
this
division
in
february.
B
P
Think
it's
great
entrepreneurship
and
innovation
is
alive
and
well
in
kentucky.
One
of
the
first
things
we
noticed
is:
we
did
not
have
standardized
metrics
and
had
not
for
years
we've
instituted
them.
There
are
12
metrics,
some
key
ones
are
leverage.
One
of
the
things
you
asked
is:
are
we
getting
back
our
dollars?
Entrepreneurship
delivers
your
dollars
back
we're
pushing
for
ten
to
one
with
two
to
three
to
hopefully
five
dollars
of
out
of
state
money.
P
If
we
just
pass
our
money
around
in
kentucky
we're
never
going
to
grow,
so
we
need
foreign
dollars
to
come
into
the
state,
invest
in
our
companies.
We
need
those
companies
to
make
sales
outside
of
kentucky
and
bring
those
dollars
in.
We
have
a
monthly
call
now,
where
every
single
hub,
which
you
saw
bowling
green
bowling
green,
is
a
great
success
story.
They've
been
crushing
it.
We
just
increased
their
budget,
western
kentucky,
sprocket
and
grow
west,
crushing
it
in
ways
that
nobody
anticipated
largely
and
senator
meredith.
P
It's
rare,
I
will
say
it's
because
of
the
people.
The
people
that
we
have
in
these
organizations
have
been
fantastic,
they've
riven
to
risen
to
the
challenge
and,
and
we're
really
excited
these
contracts
represent
an
investment
by
the
state
in
entrepreneurship.
At
a
time
that
it's
critical
to
do
so,
there's
a
huge
market
of
competition
for
the
talent
and
these
companies.
We
think
we're
getting
in
the
game
in
a
big
way.
We
really
appreciate
the
legislators
support
in
the
last
session.
P
P
No,
no,
I
can
tell
you
they're
12.,
so
one
is
number
of
dollars
invested
in
the
communities.
Number
of
trainings
number
of
new
participants,
which
is
a
big
deal,
are
the
same
people
coming
to
the
events
and
trainings
over
and
over
again,
are
we
actually
reaching
out
to
the
community
and
finding
the
entrepreneurs
that
are
out
there?
God?
Now
I'm
blanking
I
apologize.
There
are
12..
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
so
we're
actually
setting
up
a
dashboard
with
ky
stats.
P
There's
been
a
lot
of
really
great
cabinet
participation
inter
cabinet
participation.
Ky
stats
is
setting
up
the
first
ever
entrepreneurial
dashboard
for
kentucky
where
we're
going
to
be
able
to
look
and
track
where
we're
falling
on
all
of
the
metrics
across
the
different
ranking
institutions,
there's
kauffman
and
others.
So
you
know,
we
think
that
you're
going
to
be
able
to
see
results,
we're
getting
a
lot
more
transparent.
You
know
and
our
our
goals
and
metrics
are
going
to
be
published.
P
E
That
and
I
commend
you
for
what
you're
doing,
because
it
sounds
like
we're:
building
accountability
in
the
system,
and
certainly
we
need
that.
But
I
wonder
and
I'm
not
on
economic
development
committee,
but
has
this
information
been
shared
with
them
so
far,
or
is
there
plans
to
give
a
report
sometime
in
in
the
during
the
interim.
P
E
A
F
I'm
gonna
maybe
jump
out
of
order,
but
I
don't
think
it's
out
of
order
with
the
36
through
40
and
I'm
looking
glancing
ahead
at
195
and
the
fourth
thing
on
195
is
the
kentucky
innovation
and
commercialization
centers.
Okay,.
P
P
Sure
so
all
of
the
locals,
which
I
can
tell
you
every
single
contract
that
we're
presenting
to
you
today,
is
with
a
kentucky
company
right
here
with
kentucky
staff.
So
each
of
the
regional
hubs
have
their
own
contract
and
that
was
started
back
in
2018.
P
We've
stayed
with
it
and
added
to
them
it's
important
for
these
institutions
to
have
name
recognition.
You
know
in
entrepreneurship.
You
really
need
one
spot
that
everybody
knows
where
to
go.
So
if
we
make
changes,
we
don't
really
want
to
change
the
organizations
as
much
as
there
may
someday
need
to
be
personnel
changes.
P
But
if
you
start
switching
the
names
of
these
organizations
every
couple
years
nobody's
going
to
have
a
clue
where
to
go
to
get
the
information
they
need
and
if
there's
one
thing
we've
learned,
entrepreneurs
need
to
be
able
to
get
their
information
quickly,
so
each
hub
has
their
own
thing
and
then
there's
a
statutory
provision
that
provides
that
we
can
contract
with
a
science
and
technology
corporation
to
provide
some
oversight
and
management.
The
two
areas
where
we're
really
going
to
look
to
kstc
to
partner
up
are
one
in
technology
solutions.
P
So
we
need
the
hubs
to
collaborate
together
to
figure
out
what
technology
is
going
to
allow
them
to
be
more
efficient,
reduce
their
personnel
costs
and
provide
more
services.
We
really
want
kstc
to
be
the
manager
of
that.
We
really
want
to
place
them.
You
know,
they've
been
there
for
20
years.
I
mean
I
actually
think
they're
from
the
80s,
but
for
20
years
they've
managed
the
icc
program.
P
We
want
them
to
step
up
their
game,
they've
partnered
with
us
they've
done
it.
They've
adopted
the
metrics
and
accountability
standards
we
want.
So
that's
the
management
side
for
them
to
manage
those
contracts,
but
we
we're
still
going
to
do
a
lot
of
that
management
and
ky
innovation,
but
for
the
technology
side
and
the
event,
every
single
state
has
an
event
where
they
come
together
and
put
their
smart
people
in
a
room
around
entrepreneurship.
Give
out
some
awards.
P
Cheerleading
I'm
going
to
do
a
lot
of
cheerleading
talk
about
the
strategy
for
next
year
and
talk
about
what
we've
accomplished
this
year
and
where
we
need
to
go.
We
haven't
had
that
kind
of
event
in
years.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
with
all
the
energy
and
enthusiasm
coming
out
to
do
that.
We're
in
some
discussions.
I
can't
reveal
the
sources
because
they're
still
confidential,
but
we
think
next
year
we're
gonna
have
an
awesome
one.
You
can
all
come,
but
we
don't
know
how
much
that's
gonna
cost.
So
we
put
money
in
that
budget.
P
For
that
event,
I
can
tell
you
with
certainty.
I
monitor
that
budget.
Like
a
hawk,
you
know
I
don't
want
to
rent
space
if
we
can
get
it
for
free
I'd.
If
we
can
partner
with
somebody,
that's
already
doing
an
event.
Let's
do
it
tag
along
and
get
all
the
benefits
and
share
the
cost,
but
I'm
not
100
sure
how
much
it's
going
to
cost.
P
So
I
give
them
a
little
bit
extra
in
the
budget,
but
every
single
dollar
that
they
have
to
spend
in
that
budget
has
to
come
through
us
first,
so
we're
going
to
pre-approve
it
and
then
they're
going
to
spend
it
and
then
we're
going
to
reimburse
them.
That's
how
they're
structured
and
they've
been
great.
You
know
I
gotta
say:
kstc
has
really
stepped
up
with
the
direction
and
mission
that
we've
gone
in.
I
encourage
you
all
to
talk
to
terry
samuel
and
and
for
him
to
meet
you.
P
E
Since
center
southworth
started
discussion
on
195,
I'm
requesting
that
contract
be
pulled,
and
you
answered
one
of
my
concerns.
I
want
to
know
if
there
were
performance
metrics
from
those
folks
as
well,
because
of
the
history
of
this
those
20-year
period.
I
think
there
was
strong
sentiment
that
they
had
not
delivered
the
appropriate
return
on
dollar
that
they
could
have
should
have.
E
P
I
can
tell
you,
I
didn't
know
a
single
person
in
this
community.
Well,
maybe
a
small
handful,
but
of
the
people
that
I
deal
with
now.
I've
met
them
all
within
the
past
year
I
mean
I
couldn't
have
told
you
what
the
entrepreneurial
organization
was
in
bowling,
green
or
paducah.
I
just
came
back
from
paducah
amazing
amazing
work.
They
are
doing.
I
mean
we
should
be
very,
very
proud
of
how
the
entrepreneurial
community
has
come
together
over
the
past
year
from
coast
to
coast.
F
P
Yes,
of
course,
yep
we've
got,
we've
got
a
bunch
for
them
too.
I
mean
they
run
our
investment
funds.
So
you
know
we
want
that
investment
fund
to
have
an
open
application
period.
Every
application
we
get
of
somebody
wanting
money,
especially
if
we
advertise
and
promote
it
the
right
way
are
leads
right
if
you're
out
of
state-
and
you
submit
an
application,
saying
you're
willing
to
move
here
for
money
now
we
know
you're
willing
to
move
here
now
we're
just
negotiating
on
price
right.
So
we
want
those
application
periods
to
be
open.
P
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
through
that
open
application
period,
it
gets
disseminated
around
the
state.
We
made
changes
to
the
fund
this
year
to
make
sure
that
it
could
happen.
So
we've
got
metrics
for
them.
We
want
to
see
dollars
delivered.
We
want
to
see
a
number
of
applicants.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
we're
working
through.
We
haven't
figured
out
all
the
metrics
with
kscc,
yet
we
have
the
hubs
down
kstc.
I
hope
to
have
done
by
september.
A
Fantastic:
let's
we
need
to
do
these
separately,
so
first,
we
if
we
can
have
a
motion
on
numbers
36
through
40.
motion
by
senator
meredith.
Second
by
representative
mentor.
This
is
on
numbers
36
through
40
on
the
routine
psc
green
list
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
B
J
G
B
G
I
vote
yes
and
you're
right.
We
are
crushing
it
in
bowling
green
at
the
center
for
re
innovation
and
commercialization,
proud
to
have
that
in
my
district.
C
P
I'm
gonna
give
you
guys
one
heads
up
too
there's
one
contract,
and
this
is
completely
my
fault
that
did
not
get
done
by
the
deadline.
That's
coming.
No,
no!
So
we
have
six
hubs.
Northern
kentucky
is
the
only
one
that
didn't
get
done.
I
hope
to
have
it
done
shortly.
I
I'm
gonna
beg
your
permission
to
approve
that
contract.
It
may
technically
be
retroactive
because
I'd
really
like
them
to
start
on
july
1.,
but
but
it
will
be
the
same
thing.
It's
it's
just
our
northern
kentucky
hub.
P
Gotta
save
until
after
the
vote
right
now,
there
goes
all
that
boys.
Well
look.
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
me.
I'm
always
happy
to
come
and
talk
to
you
about
entrepreneurship,
and
we
hope
to
see
you
in
the
interim
to
really
talk
about
where
we're
going.
Yes,
sir,.
P
C
Always
keep
in
mind
like
just
in
eastern
kentucky.
You
know.
I
know
you
see
some
of
these,
like
louisville
paducah,
if
you're
60
miles
from
paducah
you're
going
to
be
there
within
an
hour
if
you're
60
miles
from
somewhere
in
eastern
kentucky
you're
not
going
to
be
there
in
an
hour.
So
just
be
very
cognizant
of
where
you
put
hubs
and
and
and
kind
of
spacing
those
resources
out,
because
I'm
I'm
from
belle
county
middlesbrough
pikeville
as
the
bird
flies
about
65
miles.
It
takes.
C
Beat
a
little
as
quick
as
I
can
be
to
bikeville.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind.
As
far
as
I
I
think,
a
lot
of
people
think
of
okay.
We
got
one
in
eastern
kentucky.
We
got
one
here
and
here
and
here
and
here
well
in
flatland.
That's
all
great,
and
I
understand
where
that
where
people
are
coming
from,
but
in
the
mountains
there
are
mountains
and
we
have
to
drive
around
them.
So
thank
you
for
considering
that
representing.
P
Bowling,
I'm
just
to
add
one
thing:
eastern
kentucky
is
one
of
the
most
beautiful
places
on
earth.
I
love
it.
We've
got
multiple
offices
there,
it's
all
through
soar,
so
they
have
an
office,
I
believe
in
manchester
and
two
other
locations.
P
I
apologize
that
I
can't
remember
exactly
where
their
office
is,
but
that
was
a
big
part
of
their
agreement
and
why
you
see
that
they
get
a
little
bit
more
money
for
personnel.
It's
recognizing
that
divide,
hopefully
with
the
new
road
it'll,
be
shorter,
but
I'll
be
down
in
I'll,
be
down
in
eastern
kentucky,
hopefully
either
late
next
month
or
early
in
july.
So
you
know
come
on
come
on
by
and
we'll
give
you
the
tour.
That's
good.
A
J
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
since
this
is
my
well,
I
have
two
issues.
One
is
it's
my
industry
and
second
of
all,
I
have
had
concern
for
a
long
time
in
fact
filed
a
bill
this
year
relating
to
this
issue.
So
I'm
happy
to
see
this
contract
and
finally
get
some
of
the
details
on
exactly
what's
going
on
with
lottery
marketing
plans.
F
I
want
to
get
an
idea
who
is
the
one
on
staff
that
knows
the
industry
and
helps
make
decisions
for
what's
a
good
deal
and
what
we
should
be
doing
as
far
as
marketing
and
kind
of
what
the
return
on
investment
looks
like
and
with
regard
particularly
to
tv,
there
are
other
things
here,
billboard
and
so
forth.
I
understand
putting
up
what's
the
powerball
numbers,
but
tv
ads
have
long
bothered
me
and
the
prices
here
bother
me
even
more.
L
L
We
have
two
agencies
that
have
been
under
contract
since
around
that
same
time,
we
make
decisions
regarding
media
plans
for
tv,
radio,
digital
billboards
all
based
upon
proposals
that
come
through
from
different
places.
We
we
also
use
internal
media
buyers
to
place
our
television
schedules.
L
I
don't
know
how
much
more
specific
you
would
want
us
to
get.
I
I
can
tell
you
that
our
entire
advertising
budget
is
less
than
one
percent
of
our
gross
total
sales
and
that
we
do
do
a
return
on
investment
after
each
campaign.
F
Okay,
what
I
guess
I
want
to
get
a
little
bit
more
to
is:
how
does
the
board
make
the
decisions
on
what
forms
of
advertising
work
and
in
why
they
work
that
way
and
where
I'm
trying
to
go
here
is
with
you
know,
we've
got
a
variety
this,
this
firm
that
gets
this
contract.
Is
it
up
to
them
to
help
direct
you,
or
is
that
something
that
you
basically
say?
Okay,
we
want
this
much
tv.
You
want
this
much
radio
and
so
forth.
You
just
need
to
do
it.
L
So
we
give
them
a
creative
brief
for
each
program
that
we're
asking
them
to
do,
but
we
have
an
internal
shop
that
we
decide.
Our
director
of
media
gives
the
recommendation
of
where
we
need
to
be,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
factors
that
weigh
into
that.
F
Does
that
help
that
probably
helps
somewhat
maybe
I'll
dig
into
that
in
the
future?
But
one
final
question
particulars
here,
for
example,
we
have
some
tv
spots
that
looks
like
there's
some
concept
and
producing
spots,
30s
and
15s
25
000
for
three
spots
from
the
same
concept
and
then
there's
editing
a
30
and
a
15
for
10
000.
F
L
Correct,
so
if
yes,
yes
ma'am,
so
it
we
do
a
tracking
study
and
we
track
our
ads
and
if
they
are
well
received.
If
they
are
seen
and
liked
and
have
a
certain
likability
threshold
oftentimes,
we
will
reuse
them
to
save
money.
And
so,
if
there's
a
concept
or
a
theme-
and
it
seems
like
you're
very
familiar
with
that-
we're
able
to
swap
out
perhaps
an
end
card
to
show
the
new
product
a
new
ticket,
a
new
concept,
a
new
game
but
use
the
same
concept.
F
L
This
question
sure
that's
an
estimate
if
we
have
more
than
that's
an
estimate
and
if
we
have
more
than
one
spot,
that
is
just
what
is
is
budgeted
for
that
particular
spot.
So
recently
we
did
an
animation,
a
whole
animation
and
every
single
ticket
was
swapped
out.
So
there's
rendering
and
artist
work
that
goes
into
that.
F
L
It's
a
budget,
it's
what
we
have
budgeted
for
that
particular
project.
I
think,
if
you're
looking
at
a
specific
amount,
so
we
would
get
three
estimates
on
what
would
be
required
to
be
done
and
they
would
give
us
the
the
time
it
would
take
to
do
that.
A
F
I'm
going
to
vote
no,
I
have
a
real
problem
with
tv
advertising
in
the
lottery.
I
have
a
real
problem
with
tv
advertising
on
a
number
of
things
that
are
supposed
to
be
sold
to
restricted
audience
and
advertised
to
others.
So
I'm
voting.
No.
For
that
reason,
as
well
as
my
still
concern
on
some
of
these
costs,
and
I
can
think
of
a
number
of
creative
producers,
I
just
don't
see
how
these
creatives
actually
really
need
cost
as
much
and
I'm
concerned
that
our
state
dollars
well,
it
could
be
going
to
education.
A
E
Thank
you,
chair
cook,
and
if
I
could
just
briefly
give
our
committee
members
a
history
on
this
and
folks
from
northern
kentucky
university,
if,
if
an
error
of
anything,
please
correct
me,
but
it's
going
from
memory
that
this
contract
first
was
initiated.
I
believe
in
january
2018
and
at
that
time
the
mortal
sin
was
committed
of
not
bringing
it
before
the
committee
and
asking
for
a
retroactive
approval,
which
happened
that
july
and
we
disapproved
that
contract.
E
The
renewal
contract,
I
believe,
was
for
around
two
million
dollars
and
now
this
contract
looks
like
it's
for
26
million
dollars.
So
I
congratulate
you
on
the
success
of
this
program,
but
in
my
am
I
right
so
far,
and
what
I've
shared
with
the
committee.
J
Yes,
senator
meredith.
What
what
you're
saying
is
is
accurate.
We've
it
started
back
in
2018
and
the
the
contract
has
has
been
approved
several
times.
It's
grown
from
the
original
that
that
you
mentioned,
I
think
in
fiscal
19.
It
was
5
million,
then
grew
to
11
million
last
year
was
17
million
and
and
next
year
it's
it's
going
to
26.
E
Yeah,
I
think
when
you
hit
the
11
million
dollar
mark,
I
asked
you
all
to
take
a
hard
look
at
this
contract
in
terms
of
the
continued
revenue
sharing
because
again
for
the
committee's
benefit.
Please
know
that
50
of
the
tuition
dollars
for
these
courses
are
going
to
this
company,
and
my
concern
has
always
been.
If
you
got
that
kind
of
profit
margin
in
post-secondary
education,
then
particularly
for
this
type
of
coursework.
Maybe
we
need
to
be
shutting
down
our
college
campuses
and
move
everybody
to
this
type
of
educational
process.
E
But
what
I
encourage
you
folks
to
do
in
the
future
is,
I
think,
as
this
thing
continues
to
grow,
that
there
should
be
some
recognition
from
academic
partnerships
that
this
being
a
symbiotic
relationship,
that
that
50
percent
should
probably
diminish
a
little
bit
in
the
future,
I'm
not
sure
what
it
should
be,
but
to
continue
to
50
rate.
I
just
have
a
a
problem
with
it's
a
substantial
amount
of
dollars
and
they're
still
going
to
be
wildly
profitable.
E
J
J
When
we
went
into
this
you
know,
certainly
we
did
a
lot
of
research
with
other
universities
and-
and
you
know,
found
out
that
that
fifty
percent-
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
significant
upfront
investments
that
they
that
they
do
make.
They
then
look
obviously
to
recoup
that
and
make
their
profit.
You
know
throughout
the
rest
of
rest
of
the
contract,
but
we
have
talked
to
them
about
you
know.
J
Obviously
we
know
that
it's
been
wildly
successful
for
for
them
for
us,
but
that
we
do
want
to
continue
to
look
at
that
percentage
and-
and
you
know
continue
to
see
for
the
remainder
of
the
contract.
If,
if
we
can
work
on
work
on
that.
E
Well,
I
always
heard
if
you
believed
in
averages
that
no
one
would
ever
drown
in
the
rio
grande
river,
and
that
is
on
average,
only
three
feet
deep,
but
it
happens
and
averages
don't
mean
a
whole
lot
to
me.
I
do
recognize
that
they
had
initial
upfront
investment.
I
feel
confident,
probably
that
has
been
recouped,
but
certainly
I'll
vote
for
approve
this
contract
today.
E
But
if
I'm
back
here
next
year,
I
really
hope
that
you
folks
will
tell
me
that
you're,
you
have
reduced
their
percentage
and
we
do
this
more
on
a
graduated
scale.
I
think
that's
fair
to
everyone.
I.
A
C
Explain
my
vote.
I'm
going
to
vote
yesterday
to
prove
this
senator
mayor.
That
brings
up
some
great
points,
a
50
return
on
it.
C
You
know
that
that's
that's
healthy
and
you
know
I
I
realized
too
there's
upfront
cost
in
the
development
of
software
and
all
the
programming
they're
put
in
place,
but
that's
a
significant
amount
of
money
and
you
just
don't
see
profit
margins
like
that
or
revenue
sharing
like
that
and
other
in
other
areas,
so
something
I
would
urge
northern
kentucky
to
continue
to
look
at
and
and
just
consider
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
A
Yes,
but
also
echoing
what
senator
meredith
and
representative
bowling
said,
I
think
that
was
a
very
valid
point.
Motion
carries
thank
you
for
being
here
next
item
on
the
polled
list.
With
the
university
of
kentucky,
the
number
is
105
114
116
117
127,
130
134.
These
are
on
the
routine
personal
service
contract.
Green
list
representatives
are
here
with
us
today.
So
please
identify
yourselves
for
the
record.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
bart
harden
I'm
the
director
of
government
relations
for
the
university
of
kentucky.
I
have
with
me
today:
barry
swanson
our
director
of
procurement
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
these
contracts,
but
with
your
indulgence,
we
would
like
to
pull
two
contracts
and
let
me
make
sure
I
get
the
right
numbers
here.
R
I'm
sorry
about
that
in
the
four
years
that
I've
been
here,
we've
revised
our
procedures
in
our
personal
services
contracts
area.
A
lot
of
those
revisions
are
pursuant
to
to
the
comments
and
guidance
provided
by
this
committee.
We
only
we
used
to
submit
these
contracts,
even
though
we
weren't
sure
they
were
going
to
be
utilized.
R
We
now
only
report
them
if
we
know
we're
going
to
utilize
them
and
for
an
amount
that
we
believe
we
will
utilize
instead
of
some
budgetary
amount,
and
so
two
of
these
contracts,
impact
advisors
and
pricewaterhousecoopers,
we
do
not
anticipate.
We
are
not
aware
that
we
will
be
using
them
in
the
coming
year,
and
so
therefore,
pursuant
to
our
revised
procedures,
we
would
like
to
to
request
that
those
be
pulled
impact
advisors.
R
R
One
seven
eighteen
and
132.:
oh.
F
A
A
Okay,
let's
continue
forward
senator
southworth.
You
have
questions.
F
R
You
I
apologize.
I
I
don't
know
why
we
have
two
contracts.
I
can
speak
to
what
the
contract
that
we've
submitted.
I'm
sure
it's
for
a
different
scope
of
work
than
what
what
is
covered
by
the
contract,
that
we
submitted,
the
all
for
environmental
all
foreign
environmental,
helps,
the
the
department
of
environmental,
environmental,
health
and
safety
administer
our
title
v
clean
air
compliance
process.
R
They
also
perform
audits
to
determine
you
know
to
make
sure
we're
in
compliance
before
federal
and
state
regulators
come
in
and
look
at
our
operations
and
they
also
assist
us
in
stakeholder
training
and
so
forth.
50
000
not
to
exceed
billed
as
services
are
provided.
There
is
a
second
contract
that
came
out
of
that
rfp.
F
A
A
Any
other
questions
on
1,
105,
114,
116,
127
or
130.
F
E
Ones,
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
mr
swanson
hardin
good,
to
see
you
here
again.
I
know
this
says
like
deja
vu
all
over
again
for
the
committee's
purposes.
E
These
contracts
that
provide
for
consulting
services
on
an
as-needed
basis
have
always
been
a
point
of
concern.
For
me,
I
think
we've
tried
we've
been
these
gentlemen.
Myself
have
tried
to
come
to
some
reasonable
resolution
of
this
thing.
One
of
the
things
we
agreed
to
last
year
was
that
I
believe
in
september
you
folks
committed
gps
report
on
what
services
were
actually
rendered
under
these,
I
believe.
Last
year
we
approved
close
to
300
million
dollars
in
consulting
contracts
on
an
as-needed
basis,
and
I
thought
that
was
a
reasonable
concession
on
our
part.
E
We're
supposed
to
examine
whether
the
service
could
or
should
be
performed
by
state
personnel,
examine
the
mountain
duration
of
the
contractor
agreement,
examine
the
appropriateness
of
any
exchange
of
resources
or
responsibility,
and
I
look
at
a
contract
for
15
million
dollars
specific
for
deloitte
and
we
really
haven't
identified
what
projects
are
going
to
be
working
on
and
it
seems
like
we
do
this
every
year,
we're
researching
university.
I
think,
rather
than
importing
expertise,
we
should
be
exporting
expertise
and
why,
every
year
we
have
these
contracts
in
these
amounts,
particularly
for
the
the
medical
center.
E
What
makes
it
even
muddier
for
me
is
that
the
university
of
louisville
hospitals,
I
don't
recall
ever
seeing
a
consulting
contract
for
them,
maybe
they're
hiding
them
from
them.
I
don't
know-
or
maybe
they
got
a
different
process.
They
think
that
they
shouldn't
bring
them
here,
but
they
do
not
bring
contracts
of
this
nature
to
us
and
when
I
look
again
at
deloitte
15
million,
this
in
essence
becomes
a
no-bid
contract
because
you
don't
know
what
services
they're
necessarily
going
to
be
provided
during.
Q
This
next
period,
actually,
sir,
we
do
for
this
15
million
dollars,
there's
three
primary
things
that
deloitte
is
doing
for
us
once
the
one
number
one,
I'm
sorry
number
one.
They
have
been
assisting
us
with
the
development
and
implementation
of
epic,
our
new
total
management
software
program
that
went
live
this
past
saturday.
R
It's
it's
about
a
two-year
project
from
the
time
the
rfp
was
conducted
and
the
site
visits
and,
and
and
you
know,
the
negotiation
process
and
the
planning
and
implement
it's
been.
It's
been
a
two-year
process
that
went
live
on
saturday,
and
so,
and
you
know
the
the
ongoing
implementation
make
you
know,
making
sure
everything's,
working
and
optimized
will
continue
for
at
least
another
six
months,
and
so
you
know
as
as
has
been
previously
told
to
you
that
I
mean
this.
That's
that
is
the
lion's
share
of
this.
R
These
funds
is
to
is
to
ongo
is
the
ongoing
implementation?
Consulting
for
epic,
the
the
pro
and
I
talked
to
mr
collins,
craig
collins,
who,
who
has
you
know,
appears
with
us
routinely
in
front
of
this
committee
yesterday
and
and
they
they.
You
know
to
bart's
point.
We
do
these.
These
consultant
pool
contracts,
but
but
that's
just
a
starting
point.
R
The
health
care
staff
did
an
rfi
with
the
consulting
within
the
consulting
pool
to
select
deloitte
for
this
project,
and
so
it's
not
so
it's
kind
of
a
bid
within
a
bid.
If,
if
that
is
a
is
a
term
that
makes
any
sense
may
or
may
not,
but
that's
that's
how
we
conduct
business
at
the
university
of
kentucky
with
these
pools.
You
know
on
the
smaller
dollar
projects
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
bid
under
the
dollar.
You
know
competitive
bit
dollar
figures.
R
Those
may
proceed
without
competitive,
but
you
know
certainly
any
any
magnitude.
Anything
of
consequence
will
be
will
be.
You
know,
multiple
con
consultants
will
be
solicited
for
for
proposals
and
review.
Q
The
other
two
things
the
this,
this
contract
is
going
to
do.
They
are
working.
If
you
remember
the
last
time
I
was
here,
we
had
a
deloitte
contract
that
we
really
couldn't
say
much
about.
We
made
that
amount
announcement
back
in
april,
and
that
is
the
the
arrangement
we've
entered
into
as
royal
blue
health,
which
we've
entered
into
a
management
contract
with
king's
daughters,
hospital
in
ashland,
and
we're
going
to
be
managing
that
entire
health
care
operation
going
forward.
Q
They
are
working
on
that
with
due
diligence
numbers,
forensic
accounting.
If
you
will
and
then
the
third
thing
that
deloitte
will
be
working
on,
is
what
mr
collins
calls
organic
strategies,
and
I
had
to
have
him
define
that
for
me,
but
but
basically
it
is
other
opportunities
similar
to
royal
blue.
That
might
be
out
there
that
we
are
looking
at
vetting
it.
We
might
want
to
enter
into
a
partnership
with
so
so
it's
pretty
defined.
F
Q
E
R
The
the
way
this
there
was
an
rfp
done
to
to
create
the
consultant
pool,
and
then
there
was
a
a
rfi
within
that
you
know
soliciting
the
propose
the
consultants
that
we
have
contracts
with
to
select
deloitte
for
the
epic
implementation.
So
it
was
an
rfp
within
an
rfp.
R
It
was
actually
a
two-prong
process,
two-prong
process.
It's
it's
a
process,
that's
you
know.
I
mean
just
as
a
point
of
information,
widely
utilized
across
higher
ed
and
and
even
government.
I
worked
in
the
government
in
another
state
and
that
they
have
the
same
process.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
common
process
right
wrong
or
otherwise
that
is
utilized.
E
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
but
yeah
what
happens
in
other
state
governments
and
universities
does
not
give
me
a
sense
of
confidence
that
we're
doing
it
than
the
the
right
way,
and
you
know
there's
just
a
lot
of
dollars
here
and
I
didn't
pull
this
particular
contract.
But
let
me
use
hearing
consulting
services
says:
provide
funds
for
health
care
related
consulting
services
on
an
and
needed
basis.
E
Q
No
sir,
we're
entering
into
a
contract
for
up
to
2
million
dollars
and
they
will
be
reimbursed
on
for
the
work
they
do
if
we
engage
them
in
work,
and
this
is
a
good
example
of
huron
and
why
we
need
kind
of
a
pool
concept
during
the
middle
of
epic.
I
guess
our
associate
chief
revenue
cycle
leader
left
us,
so
we
engaged
euron
to
step
in
and
fill
some
of
that
role
on
a
revenue
cycle
basis
during
this
process.
Q
So
that
was
one
instance
where,
where
we
had
a
pool
contract
in
place,
we
could
immediately
go
to.
It
did
not
delay
any
further.
The
implementation
of
epic,
where,
if
we
had
had
to
come
back
and
go
through
the
procurement
process
for
a
contract
for
an
interim
chief
revenue
officer,
it
would
have
probably
taken
us
an
extra
90
days.
Q
So
that's
one
example
where
a
pool
approach
did
work
to
our
benefit
and
and
saved
us
time
and
money,
but
euron
will
only
be
paid
for
the
work
they
provide
same
way
with
deloitte.
We've
got
a
15
million
dollar
price
tag
on
this
contract
of
deloitte.
But
fact
of
the
matter
is
we
may
only
spend
8
million
dollars
here.
R
And
I
can,
I
can
state
definitively
that
that
report
will
be
submitted
in
september.
I've
seen
draft
we've
had
we
have
drafts
of
that
report,
so
the
the
programming
and
so
forth
is
in
place.
We
just
need
to
close
out
the
fiscal
year
and
wait
for
the
dust
to
settle,
so
we
can
so
we
can
pull
that
report
together.
For
you.
E
We're
using
here
as
an
example
again
in
the
way
you're
structuring
these
you're,
going
to
go
to
them
and
say,
for
example,
I
need
you
to
take
a
look
at
our
revenue
cycle
for
the
medical
center.
Okay,
let's
keep
them
from
coming
back
and
saying:
okay,
that'll
cost
you
2
million,
because
we've
already
proved
2
million.
So
what
can
they
say?
That's
2
million
dollar
project
well,.
Q
E
I
would
hope
so,
but
there's
sometimes
again
it's
just
my
aversion
to
consulting
contracts.
I
don't
think
we
ever
get
our
value
out
of
them
and
I
would
like
to
see
return
on
investment
of
those
things,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
But
again,
I'm
sorry
we'll
probably
have
this
conversation
every
year,
because
it's
just
I
don't
see
how
we
can
do
our
job.
E
The
way
these
things
are
structured
and
the
fact
that
you
know
it's
the
way:
state
government
and
universities,
public
universities,
work
is
not
a
source
of
consolation
for
me
it
just
it
bothers
me.
I
think,
there's
a
lack
of
accountability
in
these
things,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
But
I
look
forward
to
reporting
september
great.
We.
F
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
jump
on
116,
127
and
130
here
on
corvall
and
kaufman
they're
all
out
of
state,
and
I
noticed
a
number
of
other
out-of-state
entities
as
well,
and
I
just
want
to
get
an
idea
on.
Do
we
see
kentucky
companies
in
the
pools
or
are
these
mostly
all
out
of
state.
R
I,
on
the
consulting
contracts-
I
don't
have
that
number
there's.
There
are
kentucky
firms
that
are
out
of
state
firms.
We
it's
a
it's
a
deep
pool
of
of
expertise
that
we've
got
under
contract,
so
we
can
act
quickly
as
projects
come
up,
but
certainly
at
the
university
of
kentucky.
I
can
speak
with
authority
because
I'm
involved
with
it
every
day
is
we
we
do
are
actively
promoting
and
pursuing
kentucky
companies
I
mean
it
is.
R
It
is
a
focus
of
my
office,
it's
a
focus
of
the
university
and
I
don't
know
I
don't
have
the
stats
for
the
consultant
pool,
but
but
we
could
get
that
for
you.
F
Okay
and
one
other
question
on
the
deloitte
114
and
well,
prior
to
my
question,
let
me
just
share
a
couple
of
reasons
why
I
have
an
aversion
to
deloitte
and
multiple
years
back.
I
was
involved
in
a
study
statewide
of
workforce
development
funds
and
we
tried
to
pull
all
kinds
of
resources
together
all
over
the
state.
F
Multi-Cabinet
approach
ended
up
at
the
end
of
that
handing
it
to
deloitte
to
do
a
study
to
compile
what
we
had
found
and
take
us
to
the
next
level,
and
my
experience
in
that
was
they
really
hadn't
thought
through
anything.
They
were
not
experts
in
their
field.
They
handed
us
a
boilerplate
report
with
the
word
kentucky
filled
in
I've,
read
it
a
million
times
on
every
other
website
and
they
claim
that
it
was
a
personalized
approach.
F
F
He
said
we
need
to
share
information
between
states
a
lot
more
because
they
had
a
contract
to
fix
our
ui
system,
and
here
we
are
ten
years
later,
with
the
exact
same
issues
and
seven
million
dollars
out
the
door,
and
we
don't
know
where
it
went
and
nothing's
been
changed
and
that's
my
experience
as
well,
and
so
I
share
the
chairman's
the
co-chairman's
sentiment
on
this
one,
particularly
because,
however
much
money
goes
out
the
door.
In
my
opinion,
it's
probably
going
to
be
that
much
too
much
based
on
the
quality
of
work.
F
F
So
I
just
want
to
get
a
better
handle
on
what's
going
on,
I'm
absolutely
not
in
for
proving
any
more
deloitte
contracts,
particularly
after
this
california
conversation
with
the
other
representative
and
my
own
experience
added
to
it.
I
mean
I'd
like
to
broaden
my
experience
more,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
work
more
with
somebody
that
has
this
kind
of
track
record.
In
my
mind,.
Q
Appreciate
your
comments,
I
think
I
think
we
can
definitely
find
someone
to
to
come
with
us
in
september
and
talk
about
our
experiences
with
some
of
these
consultants
if,
if
that
would
be
appropriate,
mr
chairman,
but
but
I
think
we've
used
deloitte
a
lot
over
the
years
and
I
don't
think
we
would
keep
going
back
to
that.
Well,
if
we
did
not
believe
we
were
getting
the
services
we
were
paying
for
now.
That
may
be
a
naive
thought,
mr
chairman,
but
but
I
don't
think
it
is
in
healthcare.
Q
I
think
we
are
looking
to
get
some
bang
for
our
buck
and
I
think
we
at
least
to
this
point,
believe
we
have
been
doing
that
and
I
think
if
we
did
not
believe
that
we
would
go
maybe
perhaps
to
a
different
consultant,
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you.
We
wouldn't
use
consultants,
but
we
might
go
a
different
direction
if
we
didn't
believe
we
were
getting
what
we
were
paying
for.
E
E
A
F
E
Explain
my
vote,
mr
chair,
sir:
I'm
voting,
I
I'm
gonna
do
every
year
on
this,
but
again
with
great
reservations.
I
just
I
can't
get
a
comfort
level
with
this.
I'm
sorry!
But
it's
just
it's
a
very
unsettling
process,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
is,
but
I
want
the
university
of
kentucky
know
that
I
think
our
legislature
wants
to
be
a
partner
with
you.
We
want
to
do
what's
right,
but
there's
got
to
be
more
transparency
and
more
accountability
for
these
things,
and
I
just
don't
see
it.
E
I
think
center
southwards
points
are
well
taken.
That
deloitte
has
a
little
bit
of
a
checkered
history
and
particularly
on
contracts
of
this
nature.
You
just
wonder
what
kind
of
return
on
investment
you're
getting.
You
know
a
little
bit
different
subject,
but
this
morning
there
was
an
article
in
the
current
journal
about
universal
local
spent,
six
million
dollars
in
the
legal
fees
and
only
got
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
return,
and
that's
what
concerns
me
is
that
we
never
get
our
money's
worth
on
this
consulting.
E
A
A
Good
morning,
welcome
back
to
government
contract
review,
senator
southworth.
K
Responsive
bidders,
none
of
which
appear
to
be
headquarters
in
kentucky
the
actual
determination
finding
I'll,
have
to
pull
that
and
send
it
back
to
the
committee.
A
G
E
A
Hi
before
he
could,
before
you
could
get
his
identity
motion
carries
okay,
let's
move
to
the
thank
you
very
much
for
being
with
us
this
morning.
Let's
move
to
the
far
western
part
of
the
state,
let's
go
to
murray
state
university.
Next
item
is
number
39
in
the
psc
amendment
ivory
list.
If
the
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
J
A
Good
morning
welcome
everyone
to
government
contract
review,
co-chairman,
meredith.
E
Thank
you
co-chair
cook
and
appreciate
you
folks,
spending
time
with
us,
and
particularly
dr
jackson,
appreciate
you
being
on
with
us
today
and
don't
know
if
you
all
were
participating
on
this
earlier,
where
we
talked
to
northern
kentucky
university
about
the
same
contract
where
they
asked
for
26
million.
But
I
just
want
some
validation
that
I
guess
you're
on
a
revenue
sharing
as
well.
Do
they
get
50
of
the
tuition
dollars
as
northern
kentucky
university
has
extended
to
them.
J
J
The
committee
I
think,
has
looked
at
this
contract
before,
but
it
dates
back
to
2019
and
what
we
negotiated
in
this
contract.
It's
only
a
seven
year
agreement,
but
we
also
have
a
four
year
review
period,
which
comes
up
in
two
years
and
we'll
be
reviewing
all
aspects
of
the
contract
at
that
point
in
time,
including
the
revenue
share
component,
as
well
as
every
other
aspect
of
this
agreement.
J
It's
you
know
these
agreements,
that
with
academic
partnerships,
this
is
an
effort
and
to
grow
our
revenue
to
grow
students
we're
all
under
a
lot
of
pressure
to
do
that,
but
we
will
be
giving
it
a
close
evaluation
to
make
sure
it
is
working
both
financially
and
otherwise.
J
J
This
is
a
test
program
for
murray
state.
We
only
have
five
graduate
programs
in
this
contract,
so
it's
only
five.
I
cannot
speak
to
to
how
many
programs
northern
has,
in
the
you
know
their
contract,
but
I
think
it's
substantially
more.
E
Okay,
that's
fair,
and
I
didn't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot-
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we're
doing
a
good
job,
but
obviously,
with
that
kind
of
difference
it
poses
the
question,
but
again
just
wanted
to
validate
that
there
were
some
semblance
to
what
was
happening:
northern
kentucky
university
and
mr
chair
with
that,
I
don't
have
any
other
questions
any.
A
Other
questions
or
comments
on
number
39:
if
not,
do
we
have
a
motion
to
consider
the
contract
with
you
without
objection?
So,
second,
a
motion
by
senator
meredith
is
that
you
senator
southward
representative
mentor
representative
mentor
with
the
second
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
A
A
Aye
motion
carries
dr
jackson
and
staff.
Thank
you
for
being
here
with
us
this
morning.
Appreciate
everything
you
do
next
item
on.
The
polled
list
is
with
the
behavioral
development
and
intellectual
disabilities.
It's
number
19
on
the
routine
moa
pink
list.
If
the
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
M
A
Good
morning,
thanks
for
being
with
us
in
government
contract
review
this
morning,
senator
southworth,
do
you
have
questions.
F
I
wanted
to
get
a
little
better
handle
on
exactly
what
the
nature
of
this
project
is.
A
couple
of
key
phrases
that
stick
out
to
me
is
diverting
these
individuals
from
jail
and
there's
this
pilot
in
a
police
district.
Can
you
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
this
work,
how
it
came
to
be
and
what
we're
accomplishing.
M
M
It's
estimated
that
15
to
17
percent
of
individuals
that
are
booked
into
jump
into
jails,
have
serious
mental
illness
active
symptoms
and,
as
such,
the
department
made
the
decision
to
make
an
application
for
that
grant.
We're
partnering
with
the
spaulding
university
there's
two
phases
to
the
project.
The
first
phase
is
to
gather
data
and
conduct
a
feasibility
study
of
a
gel
diversion
program,
and
then
the
second
phase
would
be
to
design
that
model
program
and
prepare
what
would
be
needed
to
launch
that
program
in
a
police
district.
F
M
Well,
I
think
the
I
mean
the
pilot
with
the
actual
program
is
still
being
designed.
We
design
based
on
those
feasibility
studies,
and
I
think,
because
it
is
a
pilot
program,
that
a
police
district
will
be
chosen
to
launch
that
and
that
again,
at
this
point
in
time,
they're
still
working
with
other
entities
working
with
a
uofl,
louisville,
metro
and
other
entities
in
louisville
to
to
develop
the
model,
and
so
that
police
district
would
be
selected
at
some
point.
Based
on
the
information
they
gather.
A
A
F
Sir,
thank
you.
I'm
noticing
some
fairly
significant
changes
here
and
I
wanted
to
get
a
handle
on
precisely.
F
J
J
E
J
J
A
F
B
F
Mr
chairman,
I
have
a
major
issue
with
how
we
conduct
some
healthcare,
so-called
healthcare
things
in
this
country,
and
one
of
them
is
the
vaccine
programs.
F
I
don't
think
there's
nearly
enough
transparency
about
this,
and
so
I
definitely
am
going
to
be
voting
no
today
because
of
that,
but
I
am
glad
to
hear
that
there's
not
been
any
coded
vaccines
rolled
into
this,
because
that
would
just
exacerbate
the
issue.
Thank
you.
Senator.
A
S
F
S
Sure
absolutely
so.
This
is
a
continuation
contract
with
a
no-cost
increase
to
kind
of
start
out
with
a
majority
of
this
contract
is
funded
by
the
cdc
and
is
being
used
to
help
healthcare
providers
and
hospitals
connect
to
the
kentucky
health
information
exchange,
also
known
as
kehai,
which
is
housed
within
the
cabinet
for
health
and
family
services.
S
So
this
contract
will
also
allow
us
to
match
both
the
cdc
and
the
department
for
public
health
timelines.
With
this
funding
opportunity,
and
specifically
with
the
university
of
kentucky,
they
house
the
kentucky
regional
extension
center
and
they
provide
assistance
to
healthcare
providers
and
has
been
a
long-standing
partner
to
kehai
and
to
the
cabinet,
and
so
for
the
past
10
years.
We
partner
with
them
and
we're
in
kind
of
we
provide
the
technology
and
they
assist
the
provider.
Organizations
with
the
implementation
is
why
we're
working
with
them
on
this.
F
Can
you
go
specifically
I'm
on
page
nine
of
the
contract
right
now
glancing
through
this
incentive
program,
like
is
this,
for
you
know
small
offices
that
normally
it
would
be
cost
prohibitive.
Is
this
the
rural
people
that
hardly
have
an
internet
connection?
At
times
I
mean?
What
exactly
are
we
talking
about
here.
S
S
But
it's
it's
open
for
anyone
that
would
do
this
public
health
reporting
electronically
that
have
the
capabilities
within
their
electronic
health
record
system
to
be
able
to
connect
to
us
and
to
send
that.
So
it
is
open
to
everyone
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
But
we
do
have
that
little
extra
that
pointage
in
the
application
scoring
process
for
small
rural
providers.
A
F
I'm
going
to
know
because
of
my
concern
about
information
sharing,
particularly
with
the
federal
government
and
they're,
absolutely
wonderful,
non-overreach,
and
I
say
that
obviously
not
seriously.
I
want
to
just
point
out,
though,
and
granted
I
haven't
looked
at
a
million
of
these
contracts,
but
I
think
this
is
the
best
written
contract
I've
seen
to
date,
and
I've
not
been
here
very
long,
but
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
writing
a
nice
contract
with
lots
of
detail.
G
A
Aye
motion
carries
committee
members
and
thank
you
for
being
with
us
here
today.
Committee
members.
I
think
we'd
like
to
have
a
brief
discussion
going
back
to
a
conversation.
We
had
a
little
bit
earlier
and
I'll.
Let
senator
meredith
kick
that
off.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
cook.
It
goes
back
to
discussion.
We've
had
over
the
past
several
months.
It's
not
been
any
criticism
of
the
administration
of
any
people,
it's
just
the
process
itself
and
I
think
we've
all
come
the
realization
that
chapter
45a
does
not
work
very
well.
It's
got
a
lot
of
holes,
a
lot
of
issues.
It's
not
customer
friendly.
I
think
it's
an
impediment
to
economic
development
in
the
state.
I
think
it's
really
difficult
for
small
businesses
to
tap
into
the
system.
E
E
I
really
would
like
to
see
a
recommendation
from
this
committee
to
the
cabinet
finance
to
develop
an
rfp
to
have
an
outside
consultant,
look
at
their
processes
and
recommend
a
better
way
of
doing
this,
and
I
know
that's
a
very
broad
charge
to
them,
but
again
we're
losing
significant
dollars
because
of
the
shortfalls
in
this
thing.
So
I'd
like
to
make
a
recommendation
that
we
make
make
a
motion
that
we
make
that
recommendation
to
finance.
O
A
All
right
next
meeting,
scheduled
for
thursday
july
15th,
that's
at
9am
and
we'd,
also
like
to
wish
coach
chairman
meredith,
happy
birthday
june,
21st
and
cupcakes
here
for
the
committee
members
no
further
business
needing
to
turn
most.
We
need
a
motion
to
adjourn
motion.