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A
Looking
to
establish
an
independent
fleet,
additional
detail
related
to
annual
cost
effectiveness
and
inventory
reports
should
be
included
as
envisioned
by
regulation
for
underutilized
vehicles.
The
agency
guide
says
agencies
must
provide
justification
for
retention
of
a
vehicle
if
the
vehicle
does
not
meet
the
established
requirements
for
agency
assignment.
A
The
agency
guide
to
vehicles
has
not
been
updated
to
reflect
legislative
changes.
First,
seen
in
2016's
budget
bill
budget
bills
have
restricted
permanently
assigned
vehicles
to
only
constitutional
officers,
the
court
of
justice,
executive
cabinet,
secretaries
law
enforcement
or
other
public
safety
purposes.
A
The
finance
cabinet
has
an
important
role
in
managing
the
central
fleet
and
overseeing
most
independent
fleets
for
agencies
in
the
central
fleet.
It
influences
all
aspects
of
vehicle
use.
The
finance
cabinet
can
also
authorize
an
independent
fleet
within
an
agency
for
most
agencies
with
an
independent
fleet.
The
finance
cabinet
also
reviews
the
efficiency
of
those
fleets
and
provides
services
for
procurement,
liability
coverage
and
disposal.
A
Finance
administration
cabinet
policies
had
areas
that
could
be
improved.
A
lack
of
fleet
justifications,
combined
with
a
lack
of
cost
effectiveness
reports
means
the
cabinet
cannot
determine
if
independent
fleets
are
efficient
without
tracking
central
fleet
cost.
There
is
no
standard
of
comparison.
Improving
these
policies
can
also
help
fleet
management
staff.
A
A
Tracking
underutilized
vehicles
can
also
improve
cost
management
if
the
commonwealth
is
purchasing
more
vehicles
than
needed.
Fleet
costs
will
increase
from
factors
like
additional
insurance
and
maintenance.
Submitting
alternative
fuel
reports
and
suggesting
changes
to
statutory
language
may
not
lead
to
better
efficiency,
but
they
ensure
fleets
are
meeting
legislative
intent.
This
concludes
our
presentation.
We
welcome
any
questions.
B
My
initial
response
to
all
of
that
is
that
there
appears
that
there
has
been
not
just
recently
but
for
years,
a
lack
of
organization
in
maintaining
the
fleets
and
tracking
records
and
and
a
lack
of
following
statute
following
kar,
which
I
guess
in
my
seven
years
up
here.
B
I
have
found
that
to
be
pretty
common
in
a
lot
of
areas
and
and
it's
a
little
bit
disturbing,
because
we
expect
agencies
throughout
the
entire
state
to
follow
statute
and
to
follow
kar
and
in
many
areas
we
do
not
do
it
ourselves
and
we
think
we
really
need
to
do
better
on
that.
As
far
as
questions
does
anyone
have
any
questions,
as
maybe
to
clarify
on
the
report.
The
secretary
may
answer
in-depth
questions.
C
Oh
yes,
thank
you
for
taking
this
up,
because
when
I
was
in
the
cabinets
we
we
saw
the
need
for
and
the
problems
with
vehicles.
We
had
some
vehicles
we
weren't
using,
so
we
were
selling
them.
We
had
to
go
through
the
finance
cabinet,
which
policies
and
this
and
that
were
cumbersome.
C
The
I
don't
know
what,
if
the
other
cabinets
followed
through,
but
we
we
were
trying
to
do
away
with
vehicles
that
we
didn't
need
and
then
a
lot
of
times.
The
question
I
have
is:
if
for
the
cabinets
and
the
agencies,
if
they
go
through
the
finance
cabinet
who's
going
to
set
up
the
charges
to
transfer
the
money
from
our
bill,
the
different
cabinets
and
agencies,
I
don't
want
it
to
turn
out
to,
like
cot,
just
gave
a
bill
to
whatever
whatever
they
wanted.
C
It
may
cost
the
cabinets
a
lot
more
money
than
owning
their
own
vehicles.
We
found.
Sometimes
it
was
cheaper
to
rent
when
we
sold
a
vehicle
but
and
we
decided
to
rent
because
it
was
cheaper.
We
didn't,
like
you
said
we
didn't,
have
the
mileage
to
own
one
cheaper
to
go
outside
and
we
were
unable
to
than
to
go
through
the
finance
cabinet
to
rent.
A
Okay,
so
specifically
for
the
cost
of
the
vehicles
that
is
set
up
by
the
finance
cabinet
that
is
done
through
division
of
fleet
management.
Those
rates
depend
a
lot
on
what
type
of
vehicle
you
have.
There
are
different
rates
for
those
you
have
a
standard
monthly
rate
up
to
a
certain
mileage.
It's
usually
about
1
200
miles
a
month.
Once
you
go
past
that
you
also
pay
additional
cost
per
mile
for
more
miles
so
yeah
that
is
set
up
by
division,
fleet
management.
C
C
C
And
it
was
still
sometimes
cheaper
to
go
through
hertz
and
that
we
were
unable
to
do
that.
And
I
also
know
your
maintenance
policies,
and
I
thought
that
it
was
better
to
go
through
the
transportation
cabinet
than
to
do
your
own.
A
For
the
man's
part,
we
did
not
look
too
deeply
into
that.
I
would
suggest
talking
to
the
cabinet
secretary
a
bit
about
that.
I
don't
know
off
top
my
head.
If
the
transportation
cabinet
has
any
maintenance
agreements
with
the
individual
agencies.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
agree
with
the
chairman's
comment
comments
about
the
I
guess.
The
lack
of
this
oversight
now
really
cuts
across,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
what
you
all
said
a
few
minutes
ago.
This
goes
back
to
2017,
and
you
said
that
there
was
there
was
reports
and
processes.
Procedures
are
supposed
to
happen
some
time
ago
and
we're
still
they're
still
not
adhering
to
these
reports
is
that
correct.
A
A
But,
yes,
it
has
gone
back
in
time
quite
a
bit.
I
believe
it
was
when
we
requested
these
reports.
We
didn't
receive
any
so
as
far
as
I
know
they
have
not
been
collected
at
all.
Can.
D
You
can
you,
and
I
I'll
put
you
on
the
spot.
Can
you
give
me
an,
I
guess,
an
observation
we're
cutting
across.
Basically,
you
know
two
two
administrations
and
to
me,
fleet
management
is
a
simple
management
of
of
assets
and
contracts,
and
it's
not
that
difficult
to
to
perform
and
oversee
and
manage.
But
is
there
any
reason
from
you
from
your
analysis
of
why
these
things
want
to
adhere
to.
A
I
don't
believe
in
our
analysis,
there's
been
anything
we
could
develop,
why
that
would
be
true.
I
know
in
the
language
of
the
regulation
it's
written
such
that
it
can
be
asked
at
the
request
of
the
cabinet,
so
they
may
have
interpreted
that
to
say
it's
not
needed
until
they
themselves
ask
for
it,
but
other
than
that,
I
don't
have
an
explanation.
D
Okay,
I
have
several
questions,
mr
chairman,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
turn
it
back
over
to
two
other
people
who
might
want
to
ask
questions.
E
A
Agencies
are
in
the
report.
Only
financial
page
for
of
the
independent
fleets
I
can
tell
you
ksp-
is
the
only
one
that
does
not
have
to
submit
justification
because
they're
just
separate
from
it.
So
that
would
be.
A
Yeah,
it's
public
protection
cabinet,
a
department
of
agriculture,
energy,
environment
facilities
and
support
services,
which
I
actually
believe
is
in
finance.
So
that's
a
little
bit
different
one,
two
three
four
five
and
then
office
of
attorney
general.
B
F
Thank
you
in
your
investigation.
Did
you
find
any
regulation
that
defines
the
type
of
vehicle
that
can
be
leased
or
requested,
and
what
I'm
getting
to
is,
as
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation,
there
is
a
cost
differential
for
vehicle,
so
is
there
a
requirement
for
what
type
of
vehicle
can
be
used
for
specific
agencies
or
activities.
A
A
Oh
for
for
the
different
types
of
it
you
do
have,
my
understanding
is
that
you'd
have
to
justify
what
vehicle
you're
using.
I
don't
remember,
seeing
a
requirement
specifically
says
that
it's
you
need
this
specific
justification
for
this
vehicle
and
I
believe
so
now.
E
Got
it
the
question.
G
At
one
beginning,
slides
showed
that
there
was
a
significant
increase
over
a
couple
of
years
of
the
purchase
of
vehicles.
A
That
one
we're
not
quite
sure
about
this
was
pulled
from
the
statewide
accounting
system.
It
was
actually
done
after
the
main
analysis
for
this
report
in
the
statewide
accounting
system.
It
does
not
provide
a
justification
for
what's
going
on
there,
it's
just
raw
numbers.
I
would
recommend
talking
to
the
finance
staff
representatives
about
that.
B
And
one
final
question,
then:
we'll
move
on
to
to
the
secretary's
presentation:
did
you
all
get
in
in?
As
far
as
your
review
of
all
this,
the
the
state,
the
purchasing
process,
the
state
contract
for
vehicles
and
how
that
works?
Has
that
been
adapted
over
the
years?
Are
there
adequate
standards
for
that
in
the
rfp
process?
A
We
looked
into
the
process
of
acquiring
these
vehicles,
they're
done
for
master
agreements,
which
I
think
you're
aware
of
it,
but
just
for
everybody,
those
are
pre-negotiated
contracts.
You
establish
those
in
this
case
it
is
with
vehicle
dealerships
they
provide,
they
create
a
list
of
vehicles
for
a
specific
price.
There
are
also
additional
options
you
can
buy
on
top
for
a
standard
price
that
goes
through.
A
As
long
as
I'm
aware
of
that
goes
for
their
standard
process,
it
works
the
same
as
every
other
contract.
They
go
through
competitive,
competitive,
competitive
negotiations
with
different
dealerships
to
see
who
can
provide
the
best
prices.
They
have
an
evaluation
team,
they
look
over
it,
they
make
a
decision.
I
skimmed
through
some
of
the
contracting
files.
I
didn't
see
evaluations,
but
otherwise
it
goes
through
a
general
process
that
contracts
in
general
go
through.
How
often
is
that
contract.
A
Off
the
top
of
your
head,
I
don't
know
when
it's
renewed,
I
do
know.
When
we
talk
to
procurement
staff,
they
do
say
that
they
regularly
update
it,
because
sometimes
people
will
request
a
v.
Sorry
people
will
request
a
vehicle
that
is
not
currently
on
it
and
they
will
go
for
the
process
to
add
a
vehicle
on
there.
So
those
do.
A
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
for
all
vehicles.
There
are
multiple
master
agreements
for
different
types
of
vehicles,
so
you
may
have
one
for
chrysler
dealership
that
would
probably
transfer
vehicles
a
different
one
for
jeeps.
It's
there
are
multiple
master
agreements.
They
all
provide
different
types
of
vehicles.
Okay,.
B
Very
good
we're
going
to
move
on
secretary
johnson.
Can
you
hear
me.
B
All
right
there
she
is
hello,
ma'am
welcome
and
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
and
also,
if
you
don't
mind,
just
quickly,
go
through
the
names
of
the
folks
that
are
there
with
you
that
we
will
have
access
to
for
questioning,
and
you
have
the
floor.
Ma'am.
H
Okay
hi,
yes,
my
name
is
secretary
holly
johnson
with
the
finance
cabinet.
I
have
with
me
today:
libby
carlin,
john
ard
and
theresa
lahara
john
art
is
going
to
be
well.
Is
the
new
fleet
operations
leader
libby
carlin?
Is
my
auditor?
The
over
a
policy
and
audit
here
in
the
finance
cabinet
and
teresa
lahara
is
our
legislative
liaison.
H
Before
I
speak
to
the
report,
I'd
like
to
provide
a
very
brief
overview
of
the
finance
cabinet
for
the
members
next
slide,
please
thank
you.
In
brief,
the
capital
and
its
agencies
provide
state
revenue,
administration,
statewide,
fiscal
management,
state
purchasing
of
contracts,
fleet
management,
of
course,
postal
services,
risk
management,
information
technology
support
facility
and
construction
management.
H
Service
property,
surplus
property
services,
minority
and
women-owned
business
certification,
service,
disabled
veteran-owned,
business,
certifications
next
slide,
please,
with
the
staff
of
nearly
1500
people
and
a
992
million
dollar
budget,
the
capital
off
that
the
cabinet
also
manages
4
450
vehicles,
currently
processes,
30
million
pieces
of
mail
annually,
certified
320
businesses,
minority
women
service,
disabled
collected
11.5
billion
in
general
fund
and
1.5
billion
in
road
fund,
and
that
is
through
our
department
of
revenue.
Tax
collections
supports
100
state-owned
buildings
and
800
leased
properties
and
manages
nearly
32
000
workstations
and
35
000
email
accounts.
H
We
also
insure
27
billion
dollars
in
state
assets,
which
includes
buildings
and
equipment
and
some
other
things.
Obviously.
First.
Regarding
the
report
that
the
committee
went
through,
I
want
to
say
that
the
cabinet
generally
agrees
with
the
findings
and
recommendations
included
in
the
committee's
report.
H
H
The
cabinet
will
also
take
additional
steps
in
2021
to
address
each
of
the
required
reporting
elements,
including
updated
statistics
on
the
number
of
alternative
vehicles
and
strategic
considerations
for
reducing
our
state
government's
dependence
on
petroleum-based
transportation
fuels
and
the
cabinet
will
provide
an
update
on
its
progress
in
developing
a
life
cycle.
Cost
comparison.
H
H
At
that
time,
the
office
was
led
by
gerald
hofmann,
someone
with
whom
this
committee
is
very
familiar.
The
audit
report
is
expected
to
be
finalized
this
summer
upon
its
completion.
The
cabinet
will
use
this
committee's
report
as
well
as
our
internal
findings,
to
identify
additional
process
improvements
that
may
be
implemented
to
enhance
fleet
management's
operations
going
forward
before
I
move
on
I'd
like
to
personally
commend
you
on
your
selection
of
jerry
hoffman
as
committee
staff
administrator.
H
While
I
was
very
disappointed
to
lose
someone
with
his
vast
experience,
I
am
fortunate
that
libby
carlin
agreed
to
fill
the
vacancy
created
when
he
came
to
this
committee
with
more
than
20
years
of
public
service
in
the
office
of
the
auditor
of
public
accounts.
Working
for
every
elected
state
auditor,
since
1997,
and
serving
as
assistant
state
auditor
from
2012
to
2015
libby,
has
been
a
wonderful
addition
to
our
staff
and
was
able
to
quickly
pick
up
where
jerry
left
off.
Excuse
me.
H
Thank
you.
The
cabinet
also
recently
made
some
changes
to
the
management
of
the
state's
centralized
fleet
operations
by
shifting
fleet
administration
and
oversight
to
a
newly
established
fleet
operations.
Leader
effective
june
1st
john
arden
began
leading
this
effort
with
his
27
year,
career
in
the
military
and
many
years
of
supervisory
and
project
management
experience
at
both
the
state
and
national
levels,
including
direct
support
to
the
major
general
vice
director
to
the
chairman
of
the
joint
chiefs
of
staff.
H
The
cabinet
has
also
boosted
our
capacity
in
the
areas
of
budgetary
oversight
and
fiscal
management
through
staffing
changes.
The
cabinet
is
better
equipped
to
effectively
track
and
report
expenditures
related
to
fleet
management
and
maintenance
cost,
as
well
as
forecast
new
vehicle
purchases
and
preventative
and
routine
service
costs,
and
we
will
be
happy
to
come
back
to
you
next
year
to
provide
an
update
on
our
progress.
H
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
today
to
share
the
parallel
efforts
the
cabinet
has
initiated,
in
addition
to
addressing
the
findings
included
in
the
committee's
report.
I
appreciate
your
attention
today
and
before
I
take
questions,
I
would
like
to
introduce
john
r
to
the
committee
and
give
him
the
opportunity
to
tell
him
a
bit
more
about
his
background.
John.
I
Thank
you
secretary
johnson
committee
committee,
chairman
vice
chairman,
I'm
very
honored
that
secretary
johnson
has
given
me
this
opportunity.
As
she
said,
I
have
27
years
experience
in
the
air
force.
I
work
at
all
levels
of
leadership
in
the
air
force.
I
have
backgrounds
that
are
unrelated
to
this
job.
Obviously,
in
nuclear
operations,
nuclear
planning
treaty
negotiations,
space,
lift
and
often
we're
tabbed
tapped
to
take
on
special
projects
or
to
address
issues
in
units
in
my
career.
I
So
I
have
taken
a
look
initial
look
at
the
findings
from
this
audit,
as
well
as
I'm
going
to
be
looking
very
hard
at
the
audit
findings
from
the
internal
audit,
and
I
am
committed
under
secretary
johnson's
leadership,
to
address
each
of
them
and
make
improvements
in
the
way
we
handle
fleet
operations
across
the
board.
H
H
B
B
H
I
am
going
to
have
to
go
back
and
look
a
little
more
in
depth,
specifically
at
that.
I
am
not
sure
you
know
you
are
looking
at
a
year
budget
in
terms
of
what
was
appropriated.
H
B
Yes,
ma'am
and
in
coming
into
your
position,
and
since
since
you've
been
there
and
the
things
that
you
have
learned
and
those
remaining
who
have
institutional
knowledge,
can
you
comment
as
to
why
statutes
have
not
been
followed?
Is
there
do
you
have
knowledge,
that's
been
passed
along?
H
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
to
the
actions
or
inactions
of
my
predecessors
in
the
previous
administration
or
going
back
any
further.
I
do
want
to
just
say
that
I
come
from
an
administrative
services
background
I
have
dealt
with
you
know:
fleets
before
both
private
fleet
or
independent
fleets
and
with
fleet
management.
H
I'm
worked
in
government
for
27
years
this
year
and
we
are
committed.
I
am
personally
committed
to
seeing
improvement
and
to
ensuring
that
we
have
the
right
people
and
the
right
tools
in
place
to
ensure
that
this
happens,
that
we
see
a
substantial
improvement
in
the
way
that
we
do
business
going
forward
and
that
we
are
making
decisions
based
on
good
analytics
and
we
are
collecting
the
right
information
to
be
able
to
do
solid
analytics
for
our
decision-making
going
forward.
B
As
we
move
forward
and
as
you
all
look
at
changes
to
your
systems,
I
can
imagine
it's
going
to
be
difficult
to
calculate.
B
Issues
where
possibly
more
people
will
be
working
from
home
in
the
future
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
How
are
you
all
factoring
that
in
as
you
move
forward
and
taking
that
into
consideration.
H
You
know
we're
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
things
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
factor
of
consideration
for
the
way
that
we
do
work
everywhere
in
state
government.
It's
just
one
of
the
the
areas
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
build
in
into
approaching
fleet
differently,
as
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
I
mean
we're
going
to
be
approaching
fleet
differently,
and
this
is
just
one
of
the
factors
that
we're
going
to
have
to
build
into
to
that.
H
Beyond
that
I
I
don't
know
that
I
can
provide
you
any
specifics
today,
but
we're
happy
to
come
back
at
any
time
as
we
are.
You
know,
building
this
as
we're
moving
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
going
to
be
doing,
we're
going
to
be
delivering
services
and
improving
on
those
services
and
improving
on
those
processes
as
as
we're
building
this.
So,
okay.
B
And
one
final
question
and
I
will
stop
as
far
as
the
the
gps
implementation,
that
is,
a
substantial
ongoing
cost.
H
Yeah
I
mean
I've,
looked
at
the
the
gps
and
done
the
math,
and
I
can't
remember
right
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
the
cost
when
you
look
at
1.2
million
per
year,
that
does
sound
like
a
pretty
high
number,
but
when
you
take
the
total
number
of
vehicles,
because
these
are
vehicles
beyond
just
our
4
450
in
this
number,
these
are
additional
vehicles
that
are
covered
in
these
gps
costs
that
I've
provided.
We
provided.
H
I
I
did
the
math
and
I
believe
it
was
an
average
of
and
we'll
get
this
we'll
run
this
through.
But
we
didn't
know.
I
think
it
was
an
average
of
about
200
and
some
dollars
per
vehicle
per
year.
H
Ultimately
to
have
this
ability-
and
you
know-
I
think
that
you
probably
by
having
that
on
your
vehicle
or
probably
saving
that
in
insurance,
but
I
would
have
to
get
with
our
risk
management
people,
because
just
the
ability
to
find
a
stolen
car
to
know
that
you
are
probably
impacting
the
speed
at
which
that
vehicle
travels
and
the
driving
habits
of
the
people
that
are
driving.
It's
probably
impacting
your
insurance
rates,
but
again.
H
I'm
fleet
is
a
is
a
priority
for
me.
I'm
I'm
very.
I
am
involved
in
fleet,
but
getting
into
the
weeds
of
some
of
these
things.
You
know
I'm
going
to
be
relying
heavily
on
john
for
those
things.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
secretary
johnson,
welcome,
and
I
do
appreciate
your
comments
as
well
as
your
background.
In
terms
of
your.
I
guess
your
approach
to,
I
guess,
right
the
ship
so
to
speak
in
terms
of
reporting
and
auditing
and
so
forth.
D
One
term-
or
I
guess
one
phrase
has
been
used
time
and
time
out,
which
I
think
it's
to
be
recognized
as
the
cough
benefit
cost
benefit
analysis,
and
I
think
you
said
you're
gonna
go
crunch
the
numbers
and
look
at
those
those
sorts
of
things.
D
Fleet
management
is
really
a
cost-benefit
approach,
and
can
you
give
me
some
background
or
some
approach?
How
are
you
going
to
look
at
using
models
in
terms
of
looking
at
and
I
think
the
staff
mentioned
something
that
even
the
fleet
management
don't
know
the
cost
of
maintaining
the
the
the
fleece
and
so
forth?
And
then
how
can
they
go
back
and
look
at
these
independent
agencies
and
to
get
information
from
them?
D
So
how
are
you
going
to
approach
and
collecting
the
data
analyze
the
data
and
then
also
are
you
going
to
look
at
the
I
guess,
the
private
sector
and
what
they
can
provide
and
what
they
can
utilize,
because
when
we,
when
I've
worked
on
the
federal
level,
those
are
some
of
the
processes
that
some
of
these
agencies
in
the
federal
level
have
gone
through.
Some
have
worked
out
to
go
outside
of
government
to
provide
the
maintenance,
provide
the
those
sorts
of
things,
but
sometimes
it's
better
to
keep
it
house.
D
H
Yeah,
I
mean
absolutely.
I
don't
think
that
there's
anything
that
that
could
be
a
resource
that
should
be
off
the
table.
I
think
any
any
resource
should
be
off
the
table
and
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
good
resources
available
already
to
us
in
in
different
ways
to
approach
how
to
do
this
data
analysis
and
in
ways
that
other
entities
have
performed
this
I'm
go
out.
H
I
won't
say
constantly
I
get
very
busy
with
other
things
sometimes,
but
I
do
go
out
and
I've
shared
with
john
data
resources
that
I
have
found
associations
that
are
out
there,
areas
that
are
publishing
information
just
to
turn
him
onto
certain
resources
that
we
may
be
able
to
take
advantage
of,
and
we
also
have
in
our
budget
office,
someone
who
is
dedicated
to
working
with
reviewing
a
lot
of
data
looking
at
how
we
are
delivering
our
rate
structure.
H
H
I
don't
believe
in
reinventing
a
wheel
if
somebody
has
done
it
well,
I'm
all
for
us
utilizing
that,
but
in
terms
of
being
able
to
say
what
do
I
have
in
mind
for
the
methodology,
we
still
have
our
own
internal
audit
that
we
are
just
getting
some
preliminary
ideas
back
from
that,
we
will
be
using
that
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
that
that
we
can
improve
upon
and
there's
a
lot
of
of
data
analysis
that
we
can
do
to
help
set
our
path.
D
Well,
gilbert
thank
you
secretary
for
those
coming
up,
and
I
appreciate
your
your
due
diligence
and
going
through
and
collecting
the
data,
because
the
data
usually
as
mike
harmon
says
you
know,
data,
follow
data
and
in
doing
that,
so
I
do
appreciate
that,
and
I
wouldn't
mind
if
the
chairman's
wouldn't
mind
if
we
could,
if
it's
okay
with
you
to
get
the
audit
report
when
they
do
get
it
finished,
so
we
can
get
sort
of
an
idea.
D
Certainly,
and
obviously
we
want
to
try
to
help
you
out
as
much
as
possible
to
make
sure
y'all
is
efficient
in
terms
of
providing
services,
but
also
trying
to
save
some
money.
When
we
can.
H
I
have
absolutely
no
problem
when
the
audit
report
is
completed.
I
have
no
problem
with
sharing
that,
I
believe
in
transparency,
and
you
know
we
are
here.
I
am
here
to
try
to
improve
anything
that
I
can
in
this
finance
cabinet
during
my
tenure.
So.
D
One
more
question,
mr
trump:
if
you
don't
mind,
I
do
I
want
if
you
don't
mind
with
your
permission,
I
like
to
go
off
the
fleet
management
services
and
ask
about
your
minority
woman
owned
and
disabled,
and
you
said
you
have
300
businesses
that
are
certified.
Can
you
break
that
down
for
me
and
there's
also?
Can
you
compare
that
with
other
states
in
terms
of
their
penetration
to
elevate
the
contracting
for
the
for
those
particular
segment
of
the
businesses.
H
Yes,
we
do
have
this
minority-owned
business
program.
I
do
know
that.
H
Applicants
apply
we
review
to
ensure
that
they
meet
the
criteria.
Beyond
that,
I'm
going
to
have
to
get
back
with
you
to
get
you
the
information
that
you're
asking
for
but
happy
to.
Do
it
happy
to
put
you
in
charge
with
yvette
smith,
who
manages
that
program
yeah.
D
I
appreciate
if
we
can
get
a
better
idea
of
how
well
we're
doing
internally
in
helping
out
businesses
across
the
board,
particularly
those
particular
segments,
and
doing
that
and
to
see
how
we're
doing
against
the
the
the
other
states.
But
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
B
F
F
Chosen
know
what
what
determines
whether
whether
or
not
somebody
should
be
driving
a
hybrid
or
a
gas-guzzling
pickup,
as
they
say,.
H
H
That
will
make
a
justification
beyond
that.
I
would
be
speaking
out
of
my
knowledge
to
try
to
tell
you
additional
information,
and
this
is
where
you
got
the
cabinet
secretary
and
you
didn't
get
the
subject
matter,
experts
today,
but
I
am
happy
to
provide
you
any
additional
information
on
how.
If
there
is
a
guideline
regarding
vehicles,
I
would
say
that
there's
probably
a
you
get
a
standard
vehicle
and
then
you
justify
beyond
that.
But
I
I
can't
swear
that.
That's.
H
Probably
there's
a
greater
definition
of
of
hybrid
fuels,
but
for
the
purposes
of
the
report-
and
I
just
happened
to
tabbed
it
and
have
it
over
here-.
H
What
we
must
replace
the
fleet
with
at
least
50
percent
of
is
new.
Qualified
hybrid
motor
vehicles
is
defined
in
26
usc,
section
30b,
which
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
that
would
be.
New
advanced
lean
burn
technology
motor
vehicles,
as
defined
in
same
or
new
qualified
fuel
cell
motor
vehicles,
as
defined
in
same
or
new
qualified
alternative
fuel
motor
vehicles,
as
defined
insane,
so
that
that
is
what
is
in
45
45a
625,
which
directs
us
to
replace
half
of
our
fleet
with
those
technologies.
F
H
What
agencies
and
why?
Yes,
I
can
basically
do
that.
I
think,
and
I've
just
flipped
over
here
to
186.065,
but
the
department
of
revenue,
transportation,
cabinet,
justice
and
public
safety,
cabinet,
public
protection,
cabinet
attorney
general.
I
believe,
capture
those
agencies,
because
I
think
44045
have
fewer.
Let's
see!
H
Yes,
they
do.
I
do
know
from
my
experience
at
the
office
of
the
attorney
general.
One
of
the
reasons
that
we
would
go
for
a
private
license
plate
would
be
undercover
operations.
H
You
did
not
want
if
you
were
doing
some
kind
of
undercover
work,
you
didn't
want
anyone
to
be
able
to
call
in
your
license
plate
or
do
any
kind
of
search
on
your
license
plate
and
determine
that
that
was
a
state
vehicle.
It
could
put
the
officer
at
risk.
F
The
reason
I'm
asking
is,
I
certainly
understand
about
undercover
work,
but
I
nothing
comes
to
my
mind
anyway,
right
away.
Why
other
agencies
would
there
would
be
other
requests
for
non-official
license
plates.
My
assumption,
of
course,
is
that
it
costs
more
money
to
get
the
non-official
license
plates.
So
maybe
I
should
have
asked
that
first.
Is
that
correct.
F
H
B
Madam
secretary
and
follow-up
to
that,
the
the
policies
related
to
vehicle
use,
I'm
assuming
that
those
are
individual
policies
throughout
each
cabinet
and
are
there
any
centralized
policies
coming
from
your
cabinet
in
addressing
fleet
issues.
H
There
are
policies
in
the
guide
that
are
incorporated.
The
guide
is
incorporated
by
reference.
The
policies
are
current,
currently
an
11-page
booklet
and
then
I
believe,
there's
a
driver's
guide.
I'm
not
sure
how
many
pages
it
is,
but
it's
it's
not
particularly
long.
This
is
another
area
that
I
I
believe
that
we
can
improve
substantially
by
providing
more
more
guidance
and
creating
policy
and
putting
out
a
greater
direction
regarding
use
of
fleet
and
expectations
and
just
general
guidance
yeah.
H
B
And-
and
I
think,
as
a
state,
you
know
we
need
to
be
consistent,
but
I
could
also
see
at
times
that
where
where
there
would
be
different
policies
necessary
based
on
who
has
the
vehicle
and
what
their
role
is.
B
B
You
know
coming
from
a
background
in
local
government
take-home
fleet.
As
far
as
police
cruisers,
the
public
is
very
sensitive
to
government-owned
vehicles,
and
so
I
it
to
me
it's
a
little
alarming
that
this
study
has
found
the
problems
that
we
have
and
the
lack
of
willingness
ability
desire
to
follow.
What
statute
is
and
to
run
an
efficient
operation
through
the
years.
I'm
not
not
being
critical
of
your
office
at
all,
but
obviously
historically,
we
have
not.
B
We
have
not
been
respectful
of
the
taxpayers
dollars
when
it
comes
to
fleet
management
and-
and
I
I
agree
with
what
representative
fleming
said-
it's
not
it's
not
difficult.
It's
simple
management
and
organization
and
setting
up
systems
to
do
that
and
holding
people
accountable
to
those
systems,
and
then,
when
you
have
those
who
are
not
in
compliance
addressing
that,
so
I
think
you
are
on
the
right
path,
and
my
hope
is
that
you
can
get
this
tightened
up.
B
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
wanted
to
respond
to
my
friend,
representative
beckler.
First
about
gas
guzzling
pickups.
I
will
note
that
the
best
pickups
in
the
world
are
made
in
house
district
33
in
eastern
jefferson,
county
at
ford
truck
plant
and
they're
doing
a
much
better
job
on
on
not
being
so
gas
guzzling.
So
so
we
need
to
buy
more,
buy
more
pickups
they,
but
they
make
anything
250
and
not
bigger
other
ford.
E
Cars
are
made
also
in
louisville,
but
not
in
the
33rd
district.
So
what
also
want
to
note
secretary
johnson
thank
you
for
your
27
years
of
service
to
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
That's
your
service
is
commendable
and
your
reputation
precedes
you,
and
I
want
to
thank
commissioner
art
for
his
service
to
the
commonwealth
and
our
nation
in
the
military.
E
E
H
The
committee
I
mean
the
committee
staff
gave
us
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
anything
that
we
felt
might
be.
You
know
factually
inaccurate
or
have
any
concerns
with.
So
I
I
there
is
nothing
of
any
significance
of
any
kind
that
I
would
say
that
I
have
any
any
true
concerns
with
I'm
just
looking
through
to
see
if
I
have
any
notes
of
anything,
but
I
I
can't
think
of
anything.
If
I
do
have
anything,
we
will
get
back
to
you
with
that.
E
Another
question
I
have
is
in
reading
your
response.
You
referenced,
and
I
think
this
is
this
is
true,
and
it's
also
true
across
many
agencies
in
government.
You
talk
about
the
lack
of
or
diminishing
employee
number
of
employees
in
the
agency
and
how
that
affects
your
ability.
I
think
you
say,
declining
staff
over
time
has
placed
burdens
on
the
division.
I
want
to
ask
a
two-part
question:
one:
does
that
inhibit
your
ability
to
follow
the
law
and
make
these
reports
in
the
future
and
then?
E
Secondly,
with
that,
since
a
lot
of
the
law
has
some
of
the
law
hasn't
been
followed,
are
there
recommended
changes
that
you
I
mean
we're?
Not,
I
don't
think
we're
interested
in
saddling
upon
the
the
cabinet
unnecessary
or
silly
requirements.
Are
there
any
that
need
to
be
changed?
And
again
you
don't
have
to
answer
now.
I
know
you're
going
to
get
back
to
the
to
the
committee
later
on
and
perhaps
any
recommended
changes
can
be
suggested
at
that
time.
H
H
I
think
that
we'll
be
able
to
meet
the
reporting.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
a
priority.
I
I've
been
a
state
employee
for
a
very
long
time
and
I
understand
and
and
respect
the
need
to
ensure
that
we
provide
the
the
appropriate
information
to
these
committees
to
the
legislature
and
the
importance
of
that.
E
Thank
you,
madam
secretary
last
question
I
have,
and
I'm
asking
this
on
behalf
of
representative
sharp
who
asked
this
earlier.
I
know
he's
he's
attending
this
meeting
remotely,
and
that
is,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
them
in
front
of
it,
but
slide
number
five
shows
a
tripling
of
the
central
fleet
vehicle
purposes
purchases.
I
understand
a
couple
years
ago
we
bought
a
lot
of
new
cars
for
ksp,
but
those
are
independent
agencies.
So
my
understanding
is:
that's
not
caught.
E
H
I
will
have
to
get
back
with
you
with
that
information.
I
know
in
general
the
the
factors
that
we
use
when
we
purchase
new
vehicles
to
do
the
replacements,
but
the
reason
for
a
jump
of
this
as
represented
here.
I
don't
know
specifically
what
drove
those
decisions
in
the
previous
administration.
B
Madam
secretary,
getting
back
to
the
the
pandemic
and
over
the
past
year,
how?
How
did
all
that
affect
fleet
and
do
we
are
we
do
we
still
have
a
higher
inventory
than
what
we
need
of
vehicles
were
were
many
of
them
part
for
most
of
the
past
year,
and
how
will
that
affect
the
future
with
replacing?
If
we
didn't
put
a
lot
of
miles
on
vehicles
due
to
people
being
at
home,.
H
I
have
anecdotal
information,
but
I
don't
have
analytic
information
for
you
on
that
anecdotally.
I
have
been
informed
that
where
people
would
have
ridden
together
in
larger
groups
to
attend
various
things,
they
were
taking
separate
cars
during
the
pandemic.
So
there
was
that
utilization,
but
we
also
know
there
just
weren't
as
many
in-person
meetings.
So
I'm
sure
that
when
we
look
at
the
numbers
that
that
utilization's.
H
B
J
J
I
understand
in
reading
your
report
that
that,
prior
to
you
issuing
a
report
in
november
2020
that
during
the
four
years
of
the
previous
administration,
there
was
no
report
submitted
at
all.
Am
I
am
I
understanding
your
report
correctly.
That's.
H
J
J
Okay
and
then
to
represent
nemesis
point.
J
Increases
in
vehicle
purchases,
it
looks
like
to
me
if
I
read
that
port
correctly,
that
what
we
had
in
the
last
year,
the
previous
administration
was
a
doubling
of
the
purchases,
and
so
it
was
not
like.
It
was
a
tripling
during
the
course
of
this
administration
that
that
the
purchases
doubled
from
3.4
million
to
6.2
million
in
the
last
year
administration.
I'm
I'm
referring
to
slide
number
five.
H
Yeah,
yes,
yes,
I
would
say
that
is
accurate.
B
H
Oh
there
are,
there
are
many
issues.
I
think
that
we
just
need
to.
B
Are
you
all
doing
any
research
as
far
as
the
full
electric
vehicles
on
what
problems
that
might
cause
the
obstacles
in
in
having
100,
electric
and
and
the
feasibility
for
use
in
the
state?
At
this
point,.
H
B
H
No
and
that
is
getting
into
and
and
that
is
getting
into
procurement
law
and
the
model
procurement
code
and
right
now
I
don't
believe,
there's
anything
that
restricts
us
into
purchasing
american
made
or
kentucky
vendor,
or
anything
like
that
and
and
part
of
that
is
because
we
want
to
be
able
to
sell
things
that
we
make
in
kentucky
to
other
states
or
things
that
we
make
in
america
to
other
countries.
And
so
you
get
into
you
know
reciprocity
issues,
because
we
don't
want
to
hurt
air
market
or
internal
market
good.
H
That
that's
that's
a
that's
a
you
know.
100
000
foot
perspective,
there's
a
lot
more
to
it
than
that.
Okay!
Legally,
I
can't
that's
the
easy
answer.
I
guess
legally,
I'm
not
quite
able
to
okay.
G
H
When
we
we
have
vehicles
that
we
lease
to,
for
example,
oh,
I
can't
think
of
any
cabinets
right
now.
Isn't
that
crazy
to
the
labor
cabinet,
for
example,
if
the
labor
cabinet
needs
to
have
a
vehicle
or
a
usage
of
a
lot
of
vehicles
because
of
the
field
service
work
that
they
do,
we
in
fleet
service,
we
procure
that
vehicle
and
then
we
lease
that
vehicle
to
the
labor
cabinet
and
they
pay
a
monthly
fee
up
to
a
certain
mile
and
within
that
they
receive
insurance
coverage.
H
They
receive
gas,
they
receive
oil
changes
and
general
maintenance
for
that
cost,
and
so
that
is
the
income
we
receive.
And
then
for
that
you
know,
we
provide
that
service,
and
that
is
the
revenue
that
we
receive
and
then
they
receive
that
service.
And
we
do
that
with.
H
You
know
4.5
000
cars
across
the
the
state,
and
that
is
where
we
get
our
revenue
and
if
you
go
over
a
certain
set
of
mileage
just
like,
if
you
have
a
private
lease,
then
you
pay
additional
cents
per
mile
because
we're
paying
for
additional
gas
we're
paying
for
additional
oil
changes,
we're
paying
some
additional
services
that
way.
G
H
Yes
or
you
have
you
know,
expenditures
also
mean
the
purchasing
of
vehicles
and,
as
was
represented
in
the
chart
earlier,
there
was
a
lot
there
were
large
expenditures
in,
I
believe
18,
1920
or
maybe
1920.
I
have
to
go
back
and
look
yeah
there
we
go
so
there
were
larger
expenditures
in
19
and
20.
now,
because
these
are
restricted
dollars.
These
are
you
know,
dollars
that
come
into
us.
We
can
carry
those
into
one
year
to
another.
H
You
know
if
you
did
not
buy
many
cars
in
18
and
you
had
a
surplus
that
may
carry
over
into
19
if
you
were
not
able
to
get
your
cars
purchased
for
whatever
reason
which
we're
encountering
that
right
now
we're
having
a
hard
time
purchasing
our
vehicles
right
now,
and
it's
not
going
to
hit
this
fiscal
year.
A
late
end-of-year
purchase
is
not
going
to
hit
this
fiscal
year.
It's
going
to
hit
next
fiscal
year,
even
though
we
had
every
intention
for
it
to
try
to
hit
this
fiscal
year.
H
G
Okay
and
then
the
last
question
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
this,
and
thank
you,
sir.
I
appreciate
this
so
on
both
sides,
both
on
on
the
receipts
and
expenditures
we're
talking
about
taxpayer
money.
This
is
all
government
money,
that's
basically
being
passed
back
and
forth
from
one
section
to
the
other.
Is
that
correct.
H
Yeah,
well,
it's
it's!
It's
all!
It's
all
public
funds,
it's
all
public
funds,
some
are
going
to
be
general
fund
agencies
and
those
are
going
to
be
purely
general
funds.
Some
may
be
agencies
that
received
their
funds
through
fees
and
receipts
like
if
you
pay
fees
for
and
I'll
use,
abc
as
an
example
for
for
licenses
for
alcohol
licenses,
or
something
like
that.
So
that's
a
fee
that
they
that
agency
may
operate
on
so
they're,
going
to
pay
for
their
vehicles
through
fees
instead
of
general
funds.
H
That
would
be
tax
dollars,
and
then
there
are
other
entities
that
may
be
using
federal
funds
because
they
may
have
a
lot
of
federal
funds
that
come
in
that
support
their
federal
programs
that
they're
supporting
that
may
use
this
for
their
for
their
vehicles.
Potentially,
so
it's
going
to
be
public
dollars
absolutely
and
they
could
come
through
various
types
of
federal
dollars.
B
H
That's
something
that
you
know
there
it's
going
to
be
based
on
need,
ultimately,
the
budget's
going
to
drive
that
a
lot,
I'm
sure,
but
it's
going
to
be
based
on
higher
mileage,
older
vehicles
and
just
repair,
history
or
accidents.
Obviously,
you
know
we're
going
to
be
somewhat
restricted
by
our
budget,
but
we're
working.
B
So
so,
if
if,
if
a
cabinet
leases
a
vehicle
from
you
for
five
years
is,
is
it
done
on
like
a
five
year
period
and
once
that
lease
is
up?
Does
that
automatically
mean
that
vehicle
is
sold
or
is
it
repurposed
or
how
does
that
work?.
H
H
I
think
it's
pretty
much
exclusively
where
that
is
done
when
we
take
vehicles
off
the
road
so
to
speak,
they're
still
road
worthy,
but
they're,
only
driven
on
the
parks
areas
to
to
be
used
for
work,
trucks
and
things
like
that.
Okay,.
F
Thank
you,
senator
thomas's
question
kind
of
brought
something
to
mind.
My
understanding
was
that
this
report
did
not
limit
itself
just
to
the
current
administration,
but
a
number
of
the
deficiencies
were
not
with
the
just
with
the
last
administration,
but
these
deficiencies
have
gone
on
for
a
number
of
years.
Is
that
correct.
F
F
A
The
ones
that
stand
out
to
me
are
the
cost
effectiveness
costs,
cost
effectiveness,
reports
and
fleet
justifications.
Those
have
there
was
no
record
at
all
those.
I
know
agriculture
moved
to
have
an
independent
fleet
in
about
2007,
so
that
has
been
an
issue
since
2007,
at
least.
E
Mr
chairman,
I
would
note
real
quickly
that
one
of
the
agencies
that
are
that
have
been
out
of
compliance
for
the
last
five
years,
the
attorney
general
and
I
we
didn't
want
to
get
partisan,
but
governor
beshear
was
the
attorney
general
for
four
years
in
non-compliance
for
those
four
years.
Thank
you.
D
B
D
You,
mr
mr
chairman,
real
quick
comment.
I
just
want
to
remind
folks
that
in
a
change
in
administration
you
accept
the
good,
the
bad
and
the
ugly,
the
good
you
accept,
the
bad
you
correct
and
the
and
the
ugly
you
modify,
and
so
so
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
that
and
sit
there,
and
instead
of
looking
backwards
and
blaming
other
past
administrations,
we
need
to
go
look
forward
and
I
think
the
secretary
is
refreshing
that
she
is
going
to
take
a
very
honest,
sincere
look
at
this.
D
I
look
forward
to
working
with
her
and
getting
more
information
from
her
from
a
data
driven
perspective
since
I'm
sort
of
a
data
driven
idiot
when
it
comes
to
that.
I
like
that
I
like
data,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
cannot
sit
there
and
look
at
the
past
when
you
look
at
the
present
go
forward
and
quit
blaming
the
past
what's
going
on.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
B
I
agree
and
that
I
think
this
is
something
that
that
we
can
fix
and
it's
pretty
basic
stuff
and
too
late
to
place
blame,
but
we
do
need
to
move
forward.
We
do
need
to
to
fix
it,
so
we
will
continue
to
monitor
your
progress
as
you
go
along
representative
nemas.
If
you,
if
you
have
a
quick
question,
we
can
get
that
in
our
senator
nevis.
I'm
sorry.
C
I
want
to
thank
you
what
you're
saying
I
like
to
hear,
because
I
worked
in
the
cabinets
and
you're
reporting.
What
needs
to
be
reported
was
the
last
administration
or
administration's
may
or
may
not
have
done,
but
a
lot
of
the
purchasing
of
vehicles
that
you're
doing
now
is
probably
not
just
because
you
want
to
buy
vehicles.
C
When
the
past
administration
I
worked
in,
we
made
a
he
made
a
blanket
statement
and
we
adhered
to
it,
at
least
in
the
labor
cabinet,
to
turn
back
over
to
the
finance
cabinet
underutilized
our
non-utilized
vehicles
that
we
were
renting
from
you.
C
Also
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
that
a
lot
of
the
cabinets
own
vehicles,
so
we
were
selling
them
and
then
using
your
the
finance
cabinet,
which
then
they
had
to
purchase
vehicles
to
give
to
what
we
sold
so
limiting
the
the
the
fleet,
I
think,
has
been
done
in
the
past
administration.
C
Overall
now
your
fleet
may
be
bigger,
but
the
fleet
for
the
administration,
I
think,
is
much
less
so
what
you're
doing
and
reporting
to
us.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Okay,
very
good.
At
this
point
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
adopt
the
committee
report.
We
have
a
motion
from
representative
beckler,
a
second
from
co-chair
nemas
clerk.
Please
call
the
road.
I
B
Motion
carries
the
report
is
adopted
just
in
the
last
few
minutes
that
we
have
here.
I
would
have
failed
to
do
so
earlier.
Any
new
members
that
are
on
this
committee
like
to
welcome
you,
do
you
do
who
on
this
committee,
is
new?
B
Okay,
very
good,
welcome
to
all
of
you,
and
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
the
time
putting
in
this
they
put
in
on
this
report,
excellent
job.
We
appreciate
your
work
and
appreciate
all
that
you
do
in
dealing
with
what
this
committee
will
be
doing
in
the
future.
I
want
to
kind
of
get
you
all
caught
up
on
what
we've
done
and
taking
some
time
once
the
session
was
over
to
to
study
the
bill
that
we
passed
changing
this
committee.
B
We
felt
like
that
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
homework
to
do
to
make
sure
that
we
were
in
complying
with
the
letter
of
the
law
and
the
spirit
of
the
law
in
in
basic
procedures.
So
what
we
plan
to
do
over
the
next
couple
months
is
to
let
staff
get
caught
up
on
on
studies
that
they're
doing
make
the
presentations
and
we're
going
to
take
that
time
to
to
put
together
the
processes
that
we
will
use
in
the
future.
B
The
statute
has
given
this
committee
a
lot
of
authority,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
processes
in
place
to
properly
utilize.
The
authority
that
has
been
granted
to
us
and
to
make
sure
that
we
have
procedures
established,
make
sure
that
staff
on
this
committee
have
the
proper
training
to
to
develop
the
skills
that
they're
going
to
need
to
accomplish
what
we
need
to
accomplish
as
set
out
in
the
statute.
B
So
to
that
end
co-chair
and
I
have
met
we've
met
with
jerry
and
we
have
set
forth
some
things
to
to
do
some
research
to
to
help
put
all
these
things
together
to
make
sure
that
we
operate
efficiently
and-
and
I
think
that's
key
to
to
build
the
credibility
of
this
committee
and
as
we
move
forward
in
the
future,
because
it's
you
all
know,
there's
gonna
come
a
point
that
we're
gonna.
B
I
have
no
doubts,
so
we
wanna
make
sure
that
we're
doing
things
right,
we're
doing
things
following
the
laws
and
so
that's
why
we're
kind
of
taking
a
a
step
backwards
with
this
and
do
our
homework
before
we
jump
in
and
and
kind
of
change
the
tone
and
the
responsibilities
of
what
we
will
be
doing,
and
we
all
felt
that
that
was
a
prudent
step
to
take.
B
And
so
I
look
forward
to
it
and
I'm
hopeful
that
the
background
that
I
have
as
a
co-chair
and
my
co-chair
at
being
an
attorney
and
experience
in
the
court
system
and
all
the
things
that
he
can
bring
and
and
all
the
experience
that
you
all
have
there's
several
attorneys
on
this
committee
and
and
we
plan
to
utilize
all
the
backgrounds
to
to
dig
deeper.
B
You
know,
often
in
the
past
we've
we
started
down
a
road
and
we'll
get
to
a
point,
and
then
we
would
just
stop,
and
and
for
me
that
was
very
frustrating.
So
I'm
glad
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
continue
these
things
on
and
really
get
into
some
in-depth
studies
and
investigations.
And
that's
the
key
word.
B
They
will
be
under
oath,
we
will
use
subpoena
power
and
we
will
investigate
and
we
will
get
to
the
bottom
of
some
questionable
issues
and
questionable
things
have
been
happened
happening
within
our
commonwealth
and
not
just
this
year.
There
will
come
a
time
when
things
will
turn
around.
We
may
have
a
republican
governor.
B
We
may
have
a
democrat
house
and
senate,
but
like
it's
done
in
d.c,
there
are
oversight,
committees
and
it's
it's
a
basic
part
of
government
and
and
it's
an
area
that
we
as
legislatures
can
can
help
make
sure
that
things
the
laws
are
being
followed
and
kind
of
the
investigative
branch
of
the
legislature
and
it
it.
The
parties
will
change
on
on
who's
being
investigated
for
what
as
we
move
forward.
So
I
don't
think
anybody
can
claim
that
this
was
a
partisan
move,
because
trends
will
change.
B
J
You're
absolutely
right
about
that,
mr
chair,
but
I
am
who
I
am.
Let
me
first
say,
though,
in
all
sincerity
that
I
appreciate
everything
you
say
I
completely
agree
with
that,
and
I
think
that
is
the
legislative
intent
of
this
committee
and
and
and
we
should
be
very
aggressive
and
and
and
and
very
assertive
in
terms
of
our
investigation.
So
I
completely
agree
with
what
he's
saying.
J
I
think
you
address
the
point
I
want
to
make.
But,
but
just
let
me
say
it
again,
because
I
want
to
be
clear
in
terms
of
how
I
see
our
role
as
legislators.
As
you
well
know,
you
you
and
my
other
colleagues
in
the
senate.
For
years,
I
have
proposed
a
bill
in
which
everyone
who
testifies
before
committee
be.
I
J
Oath,
that
bill's
not
gotten
very
far,
but
but
but
I
do
hope
that
at
least
with
respect
to
this
committee,
as
I
push
forward
to
being
a
standard
practice
that
everyone
that
we
have
testify
before
us,
because
we're
going
to
deal
with
some
controversial
issues
and
we're
going
to
have
tough
questions.
And
I
don't
mind
that
at
all,
because
we
have
to
make
some
tough
decisions
here
that
at
least
the
witnesses
that
come
before
us
here
be
sworn
into
oath.
J
I
would,
I
would
ask
you
and
your
co-chairs
representative,
nemes
and
others
to
at
least
consider
us
doing
that
with
regard
to
the
people
who
testify
before
us.
B
And
that
will
happen,
sir.
Okay,
one
final
comment
that
I
want
to
make.
I'm
sure
many
of
you
when
you
came
in
and
you
sat
down
in
these
chairs.
You
felt
like
that.
Maybe
you
had
put
on
some
weight
since
the
session
ended.
I
want
to
reassure
you
that
you
have
not.
Apparently
these
are
narrow
chairs.
So
it's
not
you
it's
the
chair
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
if
there
is
no
other
business,
I
will
entertain
emotion
to
adjourn
motion
made.
Second,
we
stand.