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A
A
A
A
D
E
Just
like
he
noted
and
recorded
for
the
minutes
for
this
meeting,
that
the
contract
that
we
disapproved
last
month
from
deloitte
in
our
issue,
points
of
contention
was
that
the
work
had
already
been
performed.
We
were
doing
it
after
the
fact
we
we
requested
a
retroactive
approval
that
contract
and
we
disprove
that
contract
and
just
would
like
to
have
it
noted
for
the
record
that
we
were
overruled
by
the
secretary
of
finance.
A
A
A
Aye
motion
carries
next
is
the
deferred
list.
We
have
number
69
from
the
july
routine,
psc
green
list.
Do
we
have
representatives
here
in
the
room?
Are
they
please
identify
you
for
the
record.
F
Yes,
sir,
this
is
carrie
harvey
for
the
justice
cabinet.
A
F
F
F
We
were
we've
received
quite
a
few
questions
about
the
rfp.
F
But
with
that
said,
the
things
are
proceeding
in
due
course,
and
we
anticipate
that
we
should,
in
the
not
too
distant
future,
have
a
new
contract
in
place
for
toxicology
services.
So
we
would
ask
that
the
current
contract
continue
to
be
deferred
so
that
there's
no
break
in
these
vital
services.
A
Very
good,
sir,
appreciate
appreciate
your
efforts
on
this
and
getting
this
contract
putting
it
back
through
the
process
again.
Are
there
any
comments
or
questions
from
the
committee
senator
southworth.
G
F
I
believe
it
will
be
on
or
about
february
1st,
and
then
we
will
receive
the
proposals.
We
don't
of
course
know
how
many
that
will
be
there,
be
some
time
required
to
grade
those
proposals
and
ultimately
negotiate
and
award
a
contract.
So
I
doubt
that
we
will
have
a
new
contract
in
place
by
the
time
the
committee
meets
again,
but
we
should
be
getting
pretty
close.
A
Second,
by
senator
southworth
was
that
you
that
seconded
that
all
right,
excellent
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
F
A
A
Next
order
of
business
is
consideration
of
the
agenda,
including
the
deferred
list
corrections
list,
the
personal
service
contracts,
contract
list
psc
amendment
list,
the
memorandum
of
agreement
list,
the
memorandum
of
agreement,
amendment
list
and
except
for
those
items
that
are
selected
for
further
review.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
consider
these
contracts
reviewed
without
objection.
E
D
A
H
A
G
I
Senator
southworth,
I
I
know
we
were
before
you
last
time.
I
cannot
remember
in
all
honesty
what
we
were
discussing
on
the
last
time.
I
can
tell
you
that
these
are
from
a
2019
sake.
Grant
part
of
what
we've
promised
under
sake
is
that
we
move
towards
solving
cold
case
sexual
assault,
slash
homicide
cases
and,
as
part
of
completing
that
goal,
we
have
these
contracts
with
two
different
forensics
labs
to
perform
the
familial
genetic
genealogy
services,
which
I
know
is
what
we
discussed
last
time.
G
Okay:
let's
go
to
an
easier
question,
then
the
number
number
one
contract
here
is
says:
it's
lead
generation,
services
and
number
two
is,
I
think,
just
the
family
tree
data
mining.
I
They're,
the
same
contract
they're
just
two
different
agencies
that
do
the
same
thing.
So
what
this
is
is
we've
contracted
in
cases
that
are
identified
through
our
sake,
grants
like
a
cold
case.
These
would
only
be
for
sexual
assault
based
cases
or
homicides.
These
are
two
labs
that
perform
the
fgg
testing.
I
I
G
Okay,
final
question:
the
terms
of
agreement
that
these
people
are
signing
when
they
upload
their
information,
I'm
thinking
of
a
scenario
right
now,
probably
somebody's
daughter
is
missing
and
they
would
like
to
donate
their
dna
to
help
try
to
circle
the
wagons
on
whatever
is
that
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
in
the
the
terms
of
agreement
spell
out
how
this
is
going
to
get
used
and
so
forth?
Do
we
have
that
any
of
the
details
about
what
the
terms
need
to
say
in
this
contract
anywhere
or?
G
Is
that
something
that
we're
leaving
up
to
our
vendors
or
this
dot
com
group
to
make
sure
people's
you
know
informed
consent,
constitutional
rights
so
forth
is
all
protected.
I
It
I
guess
ultimately
it
would
be
up
to
the
vendor.
However,
I
can
advise
that
part
of
the
procurement
process
was
knowing
what
those
terms
were,
and
so
this
gives
access
to
materials
that
exist
in
the
public
domain
or
which
has
been
obtained
by
the
consent
of
the
people
seeking
to
upload
their
genetic
histories
into
this.
Another
concern
was
when
the
investigators
look
into
this,
and
this
is
just
used
for
leads.
This
is
not
the
testing
that
confirms
whether
or
not
dna
or
other
materials
left
at
a
violent
crime
scene.
I
But
one
concern
was
it's
only
when
there
are
matches
that
people's
what
they
upload
is
even
being
viewed.
In
other
words,
if
I
am
in
one
of
these
sites
and
I'm
not
a
match,
it's
not
something
that
they
can.
Then
law
enforcement
has
access
to
it's
only
when
there
is
a
match.
So
it's
not
unfettered
discretion
to
just
go
through
these
and
look
for
anything.
I
I
In
other
words,
we
can't
allow
all
the
dna
to
be
used
up
this
way.
So
there
are
things
in
place
and
we'll
also
add
that
kentucky
state,
police
and
others
were
involved
in
the
rfp
process
to
sit
in
and
listen
with
important
concerns
like
people's
rights
and
so
forth,
so
understand
that
everything
that's
being
used
through
these
grants
is
already
in
the
public
domain
or
has
been
consented
to.
This
is
not
things
that
people
you
know
it's
not
the
fresh
swabs.
These
are
things
that
are
uploaded
into
it.
Okay,.
H
Senator
yates,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
being
here
what
long
time
wasn't
long
after
I
had
interned
here,
I
graduated
law
school
and
I
was
at
the
ag's
office.
I
was
on
megan's
law
team,
so
we
did
some
of
the
sex
offender
prosecutions
and
I
know
your
work
is
well.
First
of
all,
thank
you.
You
guys
are
heroes
to
do
that
day.
In
day
out,
I
am
thrilled
to
see
the
amount
of
cases
that
can
be
solved
now
that
there
was
no
chance
of
before.
H
In
fact,
some
of
those
cases
that
we
were
working
on
then
are
just
now
being
solved
based
on
the
new
technology
and
just
constant
work
through
several
different
attorney
generals
that
pass
on
to
so
many
different
people
assistant
ags,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
one
of
the
hurdles
that
we
have
is
making
sure
states
are
sharing
with
each
other
still,
and
I
think
that
that's
one
of
the
times
when
we
have
these
vendors
that
improves
that
people
talk
about
our
constitutional
violations
on
here
and
having
con
law
look
at
it.
H
I
think
a
lot
of
times.
We
remember
that
our
restriction
is
on
state
action
on
here
and
that
the
third
parties
are
going
to
be
doing
the
collection,
because
it's
valuable
to
them.
They
do
that
and
they
sell
that
and
everything
else.
If
we
don't
jump
in
the
middle
of
that,
then
there
are
no
restrictions
or
oversight,
because
there's
money
in
that,
as
any
other
kind
of
mining,
that
they're
doing
from
information
to
data
processing,
to
everything
that
we're
doing
so
much.
We
look
at
putting
restrictions
on
our.
H
H
H
I
know
about
five
or
six
years
ago,
when
I
was
at
the
metro
council.
We
were
talking
about
some
of
this
and
there's
a
lot
of
worry
that
you
know.
Maybe
we
should
do
restrictions
on
it.
Maybe
we
shouldn't
and
then
people
equate
it
to
that
of
fingerprints
nowadays,
fingerprints
and
coming
back
and
forth.
But
what
is
true
today
it
is
here
I
mean,
there's
these
third-party
vendors
that
are
going
to
be
providing
this
because
they
have
money
and
if
we
don't
contract
with
them,
we
don't
add
our
own
restrictions.
H
Then
we
do
not
control
it
whatsoever.
So
I
support
the
contract
not
only
because
it
helps
families,
it
solves
terrible,
roaches
crimes,
but
also
because
it
allows
us
to
have
some
type
of
oversight.
And
so
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
hope
that
we'll
continue
to
expand
that
and
and
kentucky
is
a
we
know
that
we've
had
a
tremendous
terrible
backlog
that
we
still
got
to
work
on.
So
I
appreciate
you
fighting
that
good
fight.
A
For
no
further
questions,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
consider
these
contracts
reviewed.
D
A
G
Yes,
ma'am,
I'm
gonna
vote
no
right
now.
I
know
I
voted
no
last
time
and
I'm
feeling
a
hair
bit
better
because
I'm
hearing
some
good
things,
but
I
also
come
back
to
the
saying
that
I
say
all
the
time
when
I'm
out
and
about
the
meetings
in
frankfurt
make
everything
sound
amazing
and
then
once
you
find
out
on
the
other
side,
it's
not
exactly
how
it
sounds.
B
A
A
A
Welcome
thank
you
for
being
here
with
us
today.
I
have
a
question
for
you
and
basically
I
want
to
go
back.
We've
had
medicaid
for
decades
now,
and
we've
got
a
contract
for
2.1
million
dollars
for
consulting
services.
On
that
just
curious,
you
know,
after
decades
of
running
this,
do
we
really
need
to
bring
in
the
consulting
and
if
so,
what
are
you
doing
with
it?.
D
So
the
the
american
rescue
plan
act
allowed
us
to
have
these
funds
to
bring
in
consulting,
to
supplement
our
staff
to
do
research
where
they
have
more
knowledge
and
connections
federally
and
with
other
states
to
help
us
to
build
on
what
other
states
do
well
and
to
help
us
to
really
get
things
right.
D
E
Another
question
but
a
comment:
I
happened
to
serve
on
the
task
force
this
summer
for
the
1915
c
waiver
and
I
think
this
you've
heard
me
before.
I
really
have
an
issue
with
consulting
contracts
and
everything.
I
think
we
get
our
value,
but
I
think
this
one
is
desperately
needed.
You
know
we
still
have
a
problem
with
the
thousands
of
people
that
are
on
the
waiting
list
for
these
services
and
there's
a
multitude
of
problems
associated
with
it,
not
casting
dispersion
on
anyone.
E
I
think
everybody's
trying
to
do
the
very
best
they
can
do,
but
we
need
in
essence
it's
over
a
total
re-haul
of
this
program,
and
I
think
this
work
can
help
us
do
that.
Move
forward
had
a
meeting
zoo
meeting
this
morning
with
the
senator
rocky
adams
and
commissioner
lee
and
kelly
rodman,
and
we
talked
about
this
program
in
great
detail
and
we
hope
to
see
some
legislation
in
the
future
that
possibly
by
2030,
we
could
totally
eliminate
the
waiting
list
for
for
these
services.
E
So
I
think
these
this
consulting
services
is
vital
for
us
to
to
put
that
plan
together
and
make
sure
spending
our
dollars
as
wisely,
as
can,
I
think,
that's
one
of
the
few
consulting
agreements
that
we're
going
to
see
that
it'll
pay
for
itself
in
the
long
run.
So
with
that,
I
will
make
a
motion
if
those
other
questions.
A
D
D
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
We
had
this
contract
a
few
months
ago
and
I
asked
a
few
questions
then,
and
I
will
refresh
my
question
and
then
I
will
finish
the
rest
of
it
that
we
did
not
get
to.
G
However,
it
was
another
scenario
of
the
meetings
in
frankfurt
because
it
sounded
great.
I
wasn't
assured,
because
I've
got
a
lot
of
concerns,
and
I
was
really
scattered
that
moment
and
couldn't
find
my
notes
and
I've
brought
them
back
now.
My
next
question
is:
is
this
collecting
personally
identifiable
information
and
if
it's
not,
then
how
in
the
world
can
the
platform
be
integrated
into
electronic
medical
records
systems?.
J
So
I
think
there
are
a
couple
questions
within
that
question
one
is
it
only
takes
the
personal
information
of
the
visitor
or
or
the
staff
member,
and
that's
only
to
identify
them
corresponding
to
their
questionnaire
that
they
filled
out
in
regards
to
visitation
or
working
making
sure
that
they
are
have
supplied
the
correct
information
or
answer
the
correct
questions
in
order
to
be
able
to
visit,
visit
or
work,
and
then
your
other
question
is:
it
is
not
entered
into
the
electronic
medical
record
of
anyone
that
I'm
aware
of
and
the
technology
for,
facial
recognition,
I'm
sure
is,
is
embedded
within
most
tablets
and
probably
including
the
phone
you
have,
but
it's
not
utilized
through
this
service.
J
It's
simply
a
uses,
infrared
sensors,
to
do
a
temperature
check.
G
Okay,
let
me
follow
up,
then
the
phone
I
have
doesn't
have
facial
recognition.
I'll
say
that,
but
that's
irrelevant.
It
says
right
here,
on
the
scope
of
work.
1.00
on
the
contract,
installation
will
require
standard
power
and
wired
or
wireless
connection,
once
powered
on
the
devices
will
automatically
pair
with
care.ai
backend
infrastructure
and
will
be
ready
for
use.
The
sensor
platform
can
be
integrated
into
the
electronic
medical
records
or
other
applications,
as
required
by
facilities.
G
J
I
think
there
may
be
the
potential
where
residents
are
going
out
for
appointments
or
things
like
that
and
upon
re-entry.
They
may
want
to
take
their
vitals
and
they
can
use
that
information
and
connect
it
in,
but
they
wouldn't
have
access
to
individual
visitors
or
staff
members.
Electronic
medical
records
clearly
because
the
information
they
catalog
and
ask
for
does
not
give
them
consent
to
look
at
their
medical
records
or
anything
like
that
or
have
access
to
them.
J
G
J
G
As
it
looked
like
to
me
a
few
months
ago,
we've
got
these
tablets
in
place
that,
for
all
practical
purposes,
are
scanning
people's
faces
and
taking
in
their
information,
they're
connected
they're
connectable
to
electronic
medical
records.
There's
no
telling
what
kind
all
data
sharing
is
going
on
and
we
don't
even
know
if
there's
terms
of
consent
involved
and
if
the
people
are
notified.
If
that's
optional
or
not,
it
just
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
questions
and
not
very
many
answers
and
that's
why
I'm
still
very
concerned
about
this
technology.
I
will
remind
everyone.
G
Last
year
there
was
a
bill
filed,
and
hopefully
we
can
see
some
effort
on
it
this
year
about
facial
recognition
and
consent
in
the
consumer
marketplace.
You
know
you
go
everywhere
and
they're
taking
down
your
data
and
with
the
sharing
and
technology.
We
have
nowadays
there's
a
lot
that
can
happen
without
you,
even
knowing
that's
all
I've
got
mr
truman.
A
Okay,
just
as
a
reminder
this
this
contract
has
been
approved.
This
is
a
replacement
contract.
If
you'll
read
that
there
on
number
37.,
that
being
said,
is
there
a
contract?
I
mean
sorry.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
contract
number
37.?
D
D
A
A
K
K
This
is
for
this
is
just
for
the
design,
the
last
district
office
that
we
built
had
an
estimated
budget
around
seven
and
a
half
million,
and
so
normally
we
we
see
about
a
ten
percent.
That's
pretty
normal
that
we
see
ten
percent
for
design
costs
compared
to
the
actual
construction
cost.
So
it's
I
mean
in
these.
These
are
not
bid
contracts.
Of
course,
these
are
negotiated
contracts,
they're
procured
on
qualifications,
and
then
the
fees
negotiated
so
to
this
was
actually
a
really
reasonable
fee
for
this
project.
A
A
A
A
G
Thank
you.
It
says
you're
going
to
be
providing
additional
design
services
for
work
as
directed
by
the
commonwealth
in
accordance
with
the
contract,
and
when
I
asked
for
copy
the
contract,
somehow
we
don't
at
least
I
haven't
gotten
it.
I
mean
what
we
have
is
the
cover
page
essentially,
and
I'm
wondering
what
exactly
is
the
work
that
we're
talking
about
here.
K
This
contract
was
procured
back
in
july,
or
actually
may
was
when
the
original
contract
was
awarded,
to
do
a
study
of
the
exterior
of
the
capital
annex
and
based
on
this
stu
on
the
study.
So
the
original
contract
was
for
54
500
was
for
the
study
so
based
on
that
study,
we're
increasing
the
design
contract
by
98
000
to
move
forward
with
design
of
some
of
the
remediation
work.
That
needs
to
be
done
on
the
exterior
of
the
annex.
G
K
It
has
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
the
road
in
front
of
it.
It's
all
building
to
work
on
water
infiltration
with
the
building
and
there's
also
some
lighting
that
needs
to
be
replaced
and
upgraded
on
the
exterior
of
the
building,
but
it's
all
either
the
actual
building
itself
or
the
lighting
on
the
annex
grounds.
A
D
D
A
A
Very
good
you
by
yourself
today,
ms
van
over
yes,
all
right,
thank
you
for
being
with
us.
Senator
southworth
has
questions.
G
Thank
you,
I'm
looking
at
this
and
we're
paying
trying
to
get
more
people.
It
looks
like
to
me
the
focus
is
getting
more
people
into
degree
programs
for
early
childhood
and
we've
heard
other
testimony,
maybe
last
month
in
other
contracts
where
and
we're
all
aware,
we've
got
about
ten
dollar
an
hour
pay
right
now
in
these
a
lot
of
these
and
we're
really
trying
to
push
up
to
15
and
that's
some
kind
of
a
you
know
reaching
for
the
star's
goal.
G
In
many
cases
in
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
is,
is
having
more
people
with
accreditation,
degrees
and
so
forth.
In
this
field,
going
to
help
us
fill
that
gap
faster
or
is
it
going
to
actually
prevent
us
from
finding
the
people
that
we
need
because
one
we
need
them
faster
than
that,
but
two
we
don't.
We
can't
afford
people
that
have
been
through.
G
A
I'm
sorry
can
you
we
can
barely
we
can
barely
hear
you.
Can
you
just
try
to
adjust
your
volume
or.
L
Not
a
problem,
there's
kind
of
different
aspects
that
you
need
to
think
about
when
we're
looking
at
solidifying
the
structure
of
child
care,
we
want
wages
to
increase,
otherwise
we
will
not
be
able
to
compete
against
retail
fast
food
restaurants,
different
industries,
but
we
also
have
to
think
about
that.
If,
if
parents,
if
corporations
are
looking
at
paying
higher
wages,
they
want
highly
qualified
staff
now
in
order
to
get
a
scholarship,
that
does
not
mean
that
you're
getting
a
four-year
degree.
The
scholarship
program
that
we
offer
has
a
variety
of
scholarships.
L
The
most
common
scholarship
that
we
give
throughout
kentucky
is
for
the
child
development
associates.
It's
a
national
credential.
That
really
is
a
starting
place
in
the
field,
and
it
is
equivalent
to
two
to
three
college
classes.
It
gives
a
basis
of
child
development
information,
as
well
as
some
curriculum
and
parent
interaction
that
gives
people
a
starting
place.
L
There
are
there's
a
lot
of
information
research
that
we
have
available.
That
shows
that
the
more
training
our
child
care
providers
have
the
more
comfortable
they
are
doing
their
job,
which
means
they're
less
likely
to
be
overstressed
and
leave
the
field
and
the
cda
the
child
development
associate
is
the
starting
point
for
that.
The
scholarship
also
covers
what
is
called
the
director's
credential,
which
is
a
kentucky-made
credential
that
prepares
our
administrators
with
four
to
five
college
classes
and
gives
them
some
idea
of
program
management
in
the
child
care
field.
A
lot
of
times.
L
L
Other
programs
that
they
can
apply
for
include
an
associate's
degree
a
four-year
degree
and,
in
this
case
a
master's
degree
for
an
administrator
only
now,
in
order
to
be
able
to
apply
for
these
programs,
they
must
be
working
20
hours
a
week
in
a
child
care
program.
So,
while
they're
getting
access
to
these
programs,
they
are
working
in
the
field.
L
Once
people
get
these
degrees,
it
depends
on
what
type
of
degree
they
get,
but
for
the
most
part,
many
of
the
degrees,
the
cda,
the
director's
credential,
the
associate's
degree.
They
stay
in
the
child
care
field
now
for
some,
if
they
reach
very
high
degree
levels
like
a
four-year
degree
or
a
master's
degree,
they
might
move
on
to
the
public
school
system
and
work
with
public
school
preschool
or
may
go
into
administration.
L
But
we
do
have
a
large
percentage
really
in
in
kentucky
of
of
people
that
stay
in
our
field
with
a
four-year
degree,
as
far
as
being
center
directors
being
child
care,
coaches,
helping
to
be
con
consultative
services
or
even
to
be
trainers
in
the
field.
So,
overall,
the
scholarship
program
would
benefit
many
different
child
care
programs
throughout
the
state.
G
Can
I
just
ask
one
follow-up,
mr
chairman,
on
that.
Thank
you
for
that
explanation.
I
really
like
this
cda
and
that
other
director
thing
that
you
said
that
that
was
kind
of
where
I
would
like
to
spend
time.
G
It
looks
like
it's
going
there
just
want
to
know
what
percentage
or
how
do
you
allocate
the
money,
because
if
we
could
get
more
people
in
the
door
versus
you
know
a
couple
of
people
with
master's
degrees
and
they're
going
to
run
off
to
some
other
place,
and
I
mean
I'm
not
saying
that
some
of
these
other
places
they're
running
off
to
don't
need
them,
but
you
know
we
could
get
10
people
working
on
the
ground
with
the
associates
or
under
and
only
two
masters.
I'd
rather
have
the
ten.
L
Well,
it
depends
on
what
the
applicant
applies
for
our
scholarship
counselors
go
out
to
the
child
care
programs
and
they
talk
to
the
individuals
working
in
the
child
care
programs
talk
to
them
about
increasing
their
education
level.
You
know
many
of
our
people
that
are
already
working
in
the
field.
Don't
necessarily
want
to
go
back
to
school
or
go
back
to
school
for
a
long
time.
So
so
many
child
care
providers
decide
to
start
off
with
the
cda
or
the
director's
credential
because
they
are
smaller
steps.
L
However,
kentucky
like
many
states,
our
goal
is
to
create
stackable
credentials,
so
the
cda
is
the
first
half
of
the
director's
credential.
When
you
complete
the
cda,
you
could
wait
a
few
years
and
then
apply
for
the
director's
credential
and
only
have
to
take
the
second
half
of
that
coursework.
The
director's
credential
is
part
of
the
associate's
degree.
So
once
you
have
your
director's
credential,
oh,
I
could
go
back
for
just
a
few
more
classes
and
then
the
associate's
degree
is
about
half
of
the
four-year
degree.
L
I
have
observation
hours
and
assignments
that
I
have
to
do,
but
but
let
me
just
see
if
I
can
start
with
this,
and
so
it's
a
really
good
starting
point
and
our
our
system
allows
for
people
to
continue
to
better
themselves
throughout
their
careers
so
that
they
remain
continuous
learners,
lifelong
learners,
instead
of
just
saying.
E
L
Well,
directors,
a
child
care
director
like
a
somebody,
can
be
a
teacher
in
a
child
care
program
and
get
promoted
to
be
a
director
without
without
a
business
background
and
and
so
some
centers
are
financially
stable
enough,
that
they
have
a
business
manager.
However,
not
all
centers
have
that,
and
so
a
director
who
knows
a
lot
about
working
with
families
and
a
lot
about
child
development
may
need
specific
training
on
budgeting
marketing,
doing
their
taxes.
L
E
E
M
Maybe
maybe
there
was
something
you
answered
that
that
I
that
I
didn't
hear.
I
know
senator
southworth
asks
a
question,
but
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
say
a
little
bit
different.
What
percentage
of
people
do
you
see
stay
in
the
program
at
the
level
that
they're
being
trained,
which
is
where
we
need
them.
L
L
We
have
providers
in
kentucky
that
have
been
in
their
centers
for
20
to
25
years,
and
we
also
have
providers
that,
after
their
first
year,
they
move
on
to
something
else,
because
the
work
is
hard
and
the
the
wages
have
been
low,
and
so
we
want
to
find
these
extra
benefits
to
bring
them
in
and
keep
them
there
longer
again,
if
you're
pursuing
a
degree.
That's
contingent
upon
you
working
at
least
20
hours
a
week
in
a
child
care
center,
you're
more
likely
to
stay
in
that
child
care
center.
L
During
the
path
of
the
degree,
I
will
say
that,
with
some
of
the
funds
we've
been
given
out
through
the
american
rescue
plan
dollars,
we're
we're
surveying
child
care
programs,
we
have
data,
we
have
to
collect
for
the
federal
government
every
month,
but
we've
also
included
some
of
our
own
questions
in
there
for
programs
that
are
increasing
their
wages.
L
L
Also,
the
cda
is
less
financially
restrictive
for
many
people
in
the
past.
If
they've
had
to
pay
for
it
out
of
pocket
without
doing
a
scholarship,
the
cda
is
is
more
affordable.
It's
between
the
class
work
that
they
have
to
take.
120
hours
of
class
work,
200
hours
of
observation,
their
portfolio
and
then
their
their
test
and
final
observation.
L
They
they
spend
about
a
thousand
dollars
on
fees
plus
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
in
the
in
the
course
work.
But
it's
not
the
same
as
getting
a
four-year
degree,
which
is
much
more
extensive.
As
far
as
the
time
and
effort,
many
programs
will
encourage
their
their
staff
members
to
pursue
that
cda
and
do
some
type
of
incentive
for
them
to
complete
that,
and
so
that
does
encourage
with
with
those
staff
incentives.
It
does
encourage
staff
members
to
stay
longer
and
once
they're
more
trained,
they
feel
more
equipped.
M
Excuse
mr
chair
yeah,
ask
a
second
question:
we're
talking
about
cda
and
we're
talking
about
administrators
and
we're
talking
about
average
tuition.
Could
you
give
me
an
average
tuition
succinctly?
Please.
L
Like
I
said,
the
cda
is
approximately
a
thousand
dollars.
It's
a
little
bit
different
with
the
council.
There
is
a
national
body
that
we
have
to
pay.
The
council
for
professional
recognition
is
located
in
washington
dc.
The
application
process
must
go
through
them
and
they
they
charge
it
a
little
bit
higher.
If
you
do
online
things
versus
paper,
things
there's
some
variation
there.
L
The
course
work
may
be
done
anywhere,
so
a
private
organization
can
do
the
coursework,
and
then
you
have
to
apply
so
it
is
approximately
a
thousand
dollars
based
on
what
the
local
coursework
costs,
the
director's
credential
is
equivalent
to
four
or
five
college
classes.
Depending
on
how
the
universities
group
content
within
their
classes,
our
kctcs
system
has
the
director's
credential
down
to
four
college
classes
that
are
three
hours
each
and
so
that
coursework
would
be
approximate
with
kctcs's
tuition
classes
for
12
hours
of
study.
H
We
discussed
on
the
floor
earlier
about
kentucky's
ranking
for
abused,
neglected
children
always
being
one
two
or
three.
I
think
in
the
past
15
years
top
one
thing
that
we
ask
for
these
teachers
is
to
be
educated
on
other
things.
As
far
as
what
to
look
for
what
signs?
What
not,
I
think
everyone
in
this
committee
will
agree
that
we're
competing
right
now,
our
children,
we
we're
educating
our
children
and
competing
with
with
states
around
us
and
we
are
falling
behind
year
after
year.
H
H
I
do
have
family
who
are
involved
been
special
needs
teachers.
A
couple
of
them
gone
through
coursework.
There's
two
points
for
this
one
as
an
educated
teacher,
whether
you
don't
want
just
a
glorified
babysitter,
you
want
to
teach
your
early.
Education
is
a
happier
teacher
and
a
better
equipped
teacher,
but
also
produces
better
outcomes
goes
over
and
over
and
over
this
small
investment
is
a
multiplier
as
it
puts
into
the
child.
H
We
know
that
we
have
real
impacts
early
on
I've,
been
a
youth
mentor
for
many
years
and
a
lot
of
times
it's
a
teenage
children
that
I
try
to
have
an
impact
on,
but
I
know
that
the
higher
gratitude,
the
higher
impact,
will
be
there,
those
early
development
years
and
that's
what
the
studies
show
us
and
we
wish
that
we
could
have
got
to
them
earlier,
but
we
missed
that
over
and
over
again.
H
So
we
want
these
teachers
to
be
educated,
it's
a
priority
for
us
and
we
have
a
scholarship
in
place
for
it.
I
like
that.
I
also
know
that
we're
a
little
sneaky
with
it,
because
we
put
certain
degrees
that
are
only
work
here
in
kentucky.
So
it's
hard
to
pick
it
up
and
go
because
they're
not
really
looked
at
over
and
I'm
okay
with
that
too,
because
we're
putting
our
tax
dollars
putting
our
money
in
place
to
try
to
keep
that.
H
We
also
know
if
we
don't
do
it,
they
do
what
they
still
are
good
workers
from
other
places,
they're
taken,
because
they
will
scholarship
and
educate
them
other
places,
and
we
know
there's
a
huge
loss
and
I
really
clicked
in
only
to
senator
meredith.
You
had
said
it's
a
question,
but
he
answered
it
himself.
It's
because
we
don't
have
them.
I
mean
you
were
on
it
and
I
think
you
were
being
rhetorical.
But
that's
absolutely
right.
You
have
to
get
someone
who
loves
children
who
love
what
they
do.
H
H
L
I
will
say
that,
although
some
of
our
kentucky
credentials,
the
director's
credential,
is
a
kentucky
credential.
However,
we
do
allow
you
to
use
out-of-state
college
credit
to
receive
that
director's
credential.
So
during
the
application
process
for
the
director's
credential,
if
the
individual
can
show
that
they
took
college
coursework
in
another
state
that
is
similar
to
what
we
require
in
kentucky,
then
they
qualify
for
that
credential
as
well.
L
The
cda
is
a
national
credential
and
it
will
be
used
in
any
state
with
with
child
care
providers
and-
and
it
is
a
really
standard
level
of
education
as
far
as
where
to
start
and
of
course,
our
associate's
degree
programs
and
and
bachelor
degree
programs
are
equivalent
to
many
of
the
states
as
far
as
the
curriculum
they
are
concerned.
So,
although
we're
basing
tuition
on
kentucky
entities
and
kentucky
state
universities,
that's
for
a
couple
of
reasons
is
because
we
do
have
credentials
here
that
we
are
trying
to
promote.
L
However,
it's
also
because
our
state
universities
are
less
expensive
and
many
of
our
private
universities
in
kentucky
do
not
have
degrees
in
early
childhood
education,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
the
schools
that
have
those
ways
to
promote
them.
And
then,
if
we
have
someone
come
in
from
out
of
state
that
has
education
from
another
state,
how
do
we
make
that
equivalent
to
the
degree
and
make
sure
that
they
have
those
credentials
if
they
need
them
in
order
to
get
a
job
here?.
E
I'm
sorry
I'm
sorry
to
have
to
share
war
stories
with
you,
but
you
know
I
was
in
hospital
administration
for
40
years,
and
this
sounds
eerily
similar
to
our
attempts
to
try
to
get
health
care
providers
to
go
to
rural
communities,
and
somebody
came
with
the
bright
idea.
Well,
okay,
we'll
pay
for
their
education.
They
come
back
and
practice
in
the
rural
community
for
a
couple
of
years
and
they'll
love
the
learning
community
and
then
they'll
stay
they'll
solve
the
problem.
E
It
hasn't
never
has
because
it's
not
about
the
money,
it's
about
the
money-
and
I
think
you
can
do
this,
but
you're
still
going
to
have
the
issue
that
they
don't
make
enough
money
and
we're
training
these
people
to
go
someplace
else.
It's
not
going
to
address
the
fundamental
issue
that
pay
is
too
low.
It
pays
where
it
needs
to
be.
I
think
this
would
incentivize
people
to
probably
advance
themselves
yet
with
expectation
they
have
some
kind
of
career
ladder,
but
it's
not
there
yet.
E
L
We'll
say
that
that
we
do
have
currently
have
two
streams
of
funding
that
are
coming
from
the
federal
government
in
order
to
support
the
state
through
covid
and
the
largest
portion
of
that
was
designated
to
go
to
the
centers,
to
help
them
recover
and
to
increase
wages,
and-
and
that
is
where
all
of
that
funding
has
gone.
Now
we
were
charged
with
different
goals
with
the
second
stream
of
funding.
It
is
a
smaller
stream
of
funding.
It
was
to
go
to
families
and
to
support
them,
which
we
have
increased
funds
through
our
subsidy
program.
L
Quite
a
bit.
We
were
also
charged
with
developing
teacher
skills
so
that
they
will
be
able
to
receive
higher
wages.
I
agree
with
you
that
wages
are
too
low
and
I
also
think
that,
and
for
wages
to
go
up,
we
want
to
partner
that
with
workforce
development,
we
want
our
teachers
in
the
child
care
program
to
be
seen
as
teachers
not
babysitters.
L
We
want
them
to
be
seen
as
professionals
and
experts
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
want
to
provide
the
highest
level
of
education
for
them
and,
as
they
are
educated,
more
respected
in
the
community,
we
want
wages
to
go
up
as
well,
so
that
they
will
stay
in
the
community.
It's
it's
a
balancing
act
where
both
things
need
to
be
coordinated
together.
E
E
L
I
will
say
that
our
scholarship
program
has
been
in
effect
since
patton
implemented
all-stars
for
kids,
now
back
in
1998,
and
if
you
see
how
the
scholarship
program
has
worked
in
the
long
term,
the
quality
of
our
child
care
program
since
1998
has
improved
immensely.
It
is
very
different
and
we
have
given
out
many
many
scholarships
now
with
this
particular
amount
of
money.
We've
gotten
from
american
rescue
plan
money.
We
have
just
increased
the
volume
because
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that
for
a
short
period
of
time,
but
the
scholarship
program
has
long-term
achievements.
L
It's
one
of
the
things
that
when
we
do
our
tobacco
dollar
presentation
every
year,
we
list
the
number
of
scholarships
and
show
how
it
has
benefited
the
benefit
of
the
child
care
field,
how
many
scholarships
we've
given
out
and
and
what
types
of
scholarships.
So
this
is
a
long-term
project
that
has
just
gotten
infused
with
some
additional
dollars,
but
in
the
long
term,
particularly
over
the
past
20
years,
we've
seen
the
growth
of
the
child
care
field
with
the
scholarships
and
additional
training
that
we
have
provided.
E
Well,
you
know,
I,
I
appreciate
your
passion
about
this.
I
truly
do
it's.
It's
obviously
that
this
is
something
that's
very
important
to
you
been
a
part
of
your
career,
and
I
certainly
respect
that
and
I'm
going
to
refer
to
you
because
you're,
the
professional
in
this
field,
I
will
admit,
I'm
still
a
little
bit
skeptical.
But
again,
I
admire
your
passion
and
I
appreciate
your
testimony
and
I
hope
it
works
the
way
you
envision
it
does.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
G
But
my
question
in
com
finality
here
is
this
thousand
dollar
tuition
that
we're
talking
about
the
cda
and
then
there
were
other
costs
for
the
other
programs.
Is
that
the
actual
cost
after
the
scholarship
or
is
that
the
cost
before
and
the
scholarship
is
paying
the
thousand
dollars?
And
therefore
four
thousand
people
on
this
contract
are
going
to
get
cda
credentialed.
L
The
scholarship
will
pay
the
full
cost
of
the
training,
the
application
and
everything
for
the
child
care
providers,
because
many
of
them
do
not
have
the
additional
funds
based
on
their
salary
to
pursue
the
education
on
their
own.
So
the
scholarship
is
put
in
place
to
assist
them
with
their
training,
while
they
are
working
and
help
them
pursue
the
higher
level
of
education
with
fees
and
costs
that
they
might
not
have
available
on
their
own
salary.
G
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
one
one,
one
final
question
and
be
brief:
if
you
could
we're
paying
we're
we're
paying
to
train
adults,
what
outcome
measures
are
we
using
for
our
children,
because
you,
you
sort
of
alluded
to
that
just
a
little
bit
earlier?
At
least
you
got
in
that
area?
Could
you
help
me
there.
L
M
Outcome
measures
are
we
using
are
we
are
we
are
we
measuring
how
our
children
are
doing
when
we
have
people
who
are
teaching
them?
I
want
to
know
if
we're
moving
our
children
forward.
I
know
we
have
the
program
that
is
here
to
help
education
to
help
educate
our
child
care
providers,
but
ultimately,
what
we're
looking
for
is
improving
the
education
of
our
children.
L
Assessment
and
the
child
care
programs
is
still
optional.
However,
the
higher
level
of
assessment,
the
programs
use
the
higher
level
all-star
rating
they
receive
within
the
state.
So
our
three
four
five
star
programs
typically
use
developmental
assessments
and
are
able
to
assess
outcomes
and
see
as
the
children
progress
towards
kindergarten,
how
they
are
meeting
developmental
milestones
and
how
they
are
meeting
curriculum
goals.
Also,
we
follow
up
as
we
transition
from
the
child
care
program
to
the
public
school
system.
L
We
do
have
a
kindergarten
screening
tool
that
is
administered
to
every
child
before
they
begin
kindergarten
and
we're
able
to
see
how
those
children
transitioning
in
do
on
the
entry
level
screener
and
the
public
school
system
does
collect
if
the
children
went
to
a
child
care
program,
I'm
sorry
prior
to
doing
that.
Screener.
A
A
A
D
D
He
is
our
deputy
commissioner
and
chief
equity
and
diversity
officer
and
he's
joined
us
to
talk
about
the
content
of
the
mla.
A
Okay,
very
good
we're
going
to
go
we're
going
to
handle
56
through
59.
First,
I'm
going
to
let
co-chairman
meredith
start
with
questions.
E
E
C
Well,
co-chairman,
first
of
all,
it's
a
pleasure
being
here-
and
it's
also
a
pleasure
coming
here
to
learn-
and
you
all
seem
like
family
I've
been
here
so
often
so
you
become
like
family
and-
and
I
do
appreciate
those
questions-
you
will
more
than
likely
see
other
contracts
related
to
helping
to
provide
greater
opportunities,
closing
opportunity
gaps
for
all
students,
regardless
of
their
demographics.
C
Here
in
the
commonwealth,
we
have
650
000
public
school
kids
here
and
private
school
kids
as
well,
and
so
you'll
see
similar
contracts.
A
few
more
contracts,
maybe
not
exactly
like
this,
but
whenever
we
have
an
opportunity-
and
we
have
federal
dollars
and
and
hoping
to
build
the
capacity
with
our
partners
to
continue
this.
So
you
you
may,
but
this
will
be
the
last
of
the
contracts
working
directly
with
our
nine
eight
education.
Cooperatives
plus
we'll
have
some
assistance
at
the
kentucky
department
of
education.
So
thanks
for
that
question.
E
Well,
if
it's
fair
to
call
this
a
a
program,
I'm
not
sure
how
else
to
categorize
it.
It's
a
program.
C
M
C
G
E
C
Again,
this
is
a
concerted
effort.
I
think
senator
yates
talked
about
last
time
in
his
experiences
here
with
schools.
This
is
a
concerted,
full
court
effort,
a
full
court
press
effort
to
do
something
I
mean
we've
talked
a
lot
about
closing
the
achievement
gap
and
opportunity
gaps
and,
as
senator
yates
talked
about
it's
time
to
do
something
and
what
we're
doing
here
are
research-based
research-based
strategies
to
close
these
gaps.
I
mean
we've
admired
the
problem
too
long.
E
It's
the
same
with
this,
if
we're
so
desperate
for
funding,
and
particularly
for
somebody
as
fundamental
as
reading,
is
then
how
much
money
are
we
going
to
spend
on
this,
and
I
won't
call
a
profile
called
initiative,
how
much
money
we're
going
to
spend
on
this
initiative
to
do
what
and
to
borrow
senator
douglas
phrase
earlier,
is
where's
the
measurement
on
this.
What's
anticipated
outcome
of
this
initiative
program,
whatever
we
want
to
call
it,
how
are
we
going
to
measure
the
success
of
this.
C
Okay,
well,
let
me
address
your
first
question
and
you're,
probably
you're
all
probably
going
to
have
me
back
at
some
point
in
time,
because
I
also
have
the
pleasure
of
helping
to
supervise
and
collaborate
with
in
the
office
of
teaching
and
learning
where
there's
reading
to
achieve
grant
is,
and
so
you'll
probably
see
me
or
my
chief
academic
officer
here
in
the
in
the
near
future.
C
But
I
don't
want
to
confound
or
conflate
that
why
we're
here
right
now,
the
ultimate
outcome
is
to
ensure
that
more
of
our
students,
we
see
more
of
our
students
from
different
backgrounds,
different
different
socio-economic
statuses.
And
what
have
you,
regardless
of
what
zip
code
they
they're
in
whether
they're
from
a
rural
area
or
suburban
area
or
urban
area?
More
and
more
of
our
kids
are
achieving
that
we're
also
addressing
the
mental
health
needs.
E
C
They
will
help
to
do
that
and
that's
our
problem
again.
We
we
continue
to
admire
these
problems,
but
we
don't
have
professionals
and
we
don't
have
strategies
in
place
to
close
them,
and
there
are
research
strategies.
There
are
districts
right
here
in
frankfurt.
There
are
districts
across
the
commonwealth
that
are
closing
these
gaps
and
we
need
to
take
the
best
strategies
so
they're,
coming
together
as
what
we
call
a
community
of
practice
in
education
and
many
other
professions.
We
never
come
together
and
share
best
practices
and
best
ideas.
C
C
E
Well,
what
I
hear
you
know
in
terms
of
those
best
practices
is
example
using
reading.
Specifically,
I've
talked
to
public
school
districts
within
my
district
and
asked
them
about.
You
know
this
and
reading,
particularly.
They
said
that
the
best
thing
that
we
could
do
is
re-energize
refund
the
mentoring
program,
because
again,
I'm
putting
this
in
very
rare,
digest
kind
of
concise
terms.
E
It
concerns
me
that
our
colleges
and
universities
are
not
teaching
teachers
how
to
read-
and
I
mentioned
that
to
a
second,
a
primary
school
curriculum
coordinator.
She
says:
that's
not
the
issue
as
much
as
when
graduates
come
out
of
those
programs
and
come
to
schools.
They
need
mentors
to
work
with
them
for
three
or
four
years
and
we're
not
fini
we're
not
funding
those
mentoring
positions.
E
So
why?
Wouldn't
this
money
be
better
used
for
that
purpose,
rather
than
create
what
I
consider
a
mid-level
bureaucracy?
That's
we're
going
to
get
together,
we're
going
to
sing
kumbaya
and
we're
going
to
study
this
and
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
send
out
programs,
and
we
don't
move
the
needle
at
all.
C
Well,
they're
going
to
work
together,
and
this
is
the
first
time
we've
had
people
work
together
and
again,
I'm
sure
you
all
have
me
back
here,
someone
from
kde
backer
to
talk
about
the
literacy
program,
we're
more
than
happy
to
do
that,
and
I
will
say
this
is
a
point
of
emphasis
in
working
with
professors
and
teachers
of
literacy.
C
There
are
some
strong
teacher
education
programs
right
here
in
in
kentucky
that
are
helping
teachers
and
pre-service
teachers
go
out
into
the
fields
and
teach
students
to
become
a
literate
not
only
having
a
love
for
reading
but
loving
to
read
as
well
and
again.
We
can
talk
about
that
when
you
all
call
me
back,
but
I
I
hope
that
you
all
don't
miss
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
here.
E
Well,
I
like
to
quote
that
great
philosopher,
elvis
presley
who
said
a
little
less
conversation
a
little
bit
more
action.
I
think
that's
what
we
need
for
education
and
I
think
that's
what's
missing
from
it
again.
My
concern
is
we're
creating
another
mid-level
bureaucracy.
That's
not
going
to
hit
the
target
at
all,
but
I'll
ask
a
very
basic
question.
Then
I'll
shut
up
is
once
we
spend
this
money
regardless
of
how
much
it
is.
C
We
are
measuring
the
growth
in
student,
academic
outcomes,
we're
going
to
measure
the
growth
in
student
outcomes,
student,
achievement
and
also
student
well-being,
because
we
know
if
students
are
don't
feel
safe
at
school
and
again,
with
this
pandemic.
We've
been
dealing
with
here,
who
thought
this
would
be
going
into
three
years
so
that
students
are
not
feeling
great.
C
Teachers
are
not
feeling
great
they're
they're
issues
with
mental
health,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure,
as
I
said,
part
of
their
jobs
would
be
to
address
those
issues
as
well,
not
to
teach
a
certain
framework
or
what
framework
is
better.
That's
not
it
it's
to
listen
and
see
what
specific
issues
school
districts
are
having
and
with
their
kids
and
coming
up
with
a
plan
for
them
and
so
measuring
whether
students
feel
better
about
themselves
and
about
school.
This
year,
compare
it
to
the
previous
year.
C
Survey
every
year
on
attitudes,
yes,
absolutely
with
teachers.
Yes,
surveys,
we
already
have
the
surveys
in
place
again.
We
simply
have
not
brought
forth
these
surveys
or
pulled
out
certain
things
or
certain
lessons
to
be
learned
from
the
surveys.
But
yes
to
answer
your
your
question
co-chair
sir,
we
will
be
looking
at
surveys
and
sending
out
surveys
to
measure
student
growth
and
their
their
affinity.
C
E
Back
during
the
70s
80s
back
when
senator
douglas
was
still
a
small
child
before
he
went
to
medical
school,
we
had
the
argument
about.
We
need
to
measure
quality
care
and
the
physicians
at
that
time
who
drove
the
healthcare
delivery
system
argue
that
you
can't
measure
quality.
Well,
you
really
can
it's
kind
of
ambiguous
term,
but
you
can
measure
things
that
represent
quality
and
that's
what
I
say
with
this
particular
situation.
C
And
also
those
students
have
been
who've
not
been
successful
in
what
we
call
an
educational
realm,
who've
been
marginalized
again,
there's
no
political
context
to
it.
It's
a
term
that
we
use
are
those
students
having
a
better
experience.
Are
they
better
connected
to
the
classroom?
Are
they
better
connected
to
the
schools.
E
You
know
I'm
very
pleased
offensive
this,
mr
chair,
but
very
pleased
to
have
senator
douglas
join
our
caucus,
and
this
man
is
a
true
american
success
story
and
I
think,
if
educators
spent
time
talking
to
him
how
he
was
able
to
achieve
what
he
was
able
to
achieve
and
use
as
a
model
for
the
rest
of
our
students,
and
we
would
address
all
these
issues
and
won't
have
to
be
spending
this
kind
of
money.
But
that's
just
my
personal
opinion,
mr
chair,
so
ready
to
move
on.
H
That's
one
of
the
big
advantages
of
being
in
this
distinguished
body
is
that
I'm
surrounded
by
exceptional
people,
people
who
are
exceptionally
hard-working
exceptionally
bright,
especially
talented
one
thing
kentucky
we
have
to
look
out
for
is
some
of
those
people
who
may
fall
between
the
cracks
who
may
not
share
in
some
of
that
intellect
or
the
proper
upbringing,
or
even
struggle
with
work
ethic
and
things
early
on,
and
we
know
that
those
people
who,
if
we
do
not
find
a
way
to
reach
them
early
on,
not
only
have
we
did
them
a
disservice,
but
we've
done
that
to
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
because
it
costs
a
lot
more
in
the
long
run.
H
So
our
focus
is
while
we
applaud
our
colleagues
who
are
exceptional,
we
also
look
out
for
our
constituents,
who
may
not
be
able
to
share
in
some
of
those
same
qualities
or
benefits.
Early
on
my
grandfather,
I
remember
when
I
was
a
kid
we
were
talking
about.
You
know
what
about
this
money
would
be
better
spent.
Here
I
bought
a
ford
probe
from
an
auction.
I
was
18
years
old
and
I
was
super
excited
about
it.
I
came
out
and
realized
it
was
falling
apart.
H
I
got
it
for
2
800
and
I
thought
I
just
got
a
still
on
it
and
I
realized
well.
I
was
going
to
change
the
brakes.
I
could
do
that.
Then
there
was
a
fuel
pump
that
was
going
out
and
it
was
one
thing
after
another
and
I
and
I
remember
telling
him
I
was
like
well
shouldn't.
We
spend
money
on
this,
we
put
money
and
he
laughed
at
me.
He
said
if
you
don't
spend
money
on
all
of
it.
The
car
don't
drive
right
and
so
that
car
set
for
about
eight
months.
H
While
I
cut
grass
until
I
got
enough
money
to
pay
for
everything,
this
car
has
not
drove
in
kentucky,
it's
not
gotten
better.
We
continue
to
do
the
same
thing
year
after
year,
decade
after
decade,
in
kentucky
reading
stagnant
and
insanity.
It
is
insane
insane
to
continue
to
do
the
same
thing
over
and
over
again
and
expect
a
different
result.
So
one
of
the
good
things
about
kentucky
is
that
we're
so
far
behind
we
get
a
look
about
other
people,
what
they've
been
doing
the
past
decade
and
look
at
best
practices.
H
We
always
stay
far
behind.
As
far
as
what
whether
and
we
did
this
in
louisville
kentucky
too,
when
I
would
travel,
we
go
to
austin
another
place
to
see
what
they're
doing
we
know,
we
can
look
at
other
states
what
they
did
to
work
to
become
about
best
practices
to
be
able
to
fill
out
some
of
the
guy
the
different
gaps.
H
Now
our
problems
are
different
in
every
state
they
are,
and
every
community
is
different
and
that's
why
I
like
that
you
have
this
regional
approach,
because
what
I
do
want
to
see
is
these
are
three-year
programs.
I
want
to
compare
the
regions,
I
want
to
see
how
they're
against
each
other
what's
worked
and
what
what
had
what
hadn't
worked
and
come
to
it,
and
I
also
understand
we
have
a
moving
target
when
I
did
the
youth
mentor
stuff,
we
do.
We
played
different
things,
but
one
group
of
kids
it'd
be
100
kids.
H
H
You
don't
want
ever
out
there
playing
on
the
field
without
a
coach,
so
you
have
to
have
a
director
where
there's
some
level
accountability,
and
I
hope
that
in
the
event
that
you
have
a
region,
that's
not
living
up
to
what
other
reasons
are
doing.
That
person
loses
their
job
they're
not
doing
that,
because,
ultimately,
the
kids
are
the
ones
that
suffer,
but
I'm
all
about
I'm
not
an
expert
in
this.
At
all
I
mean
I've
done
my
fair
share
of
volunteering
work
and
I've.
H
I've
had
lawsuits
against
school
districts
that
didn't
perform
the
iep
correctly.
They
didn't
do
things
right
and
I
know
what
mess
up
looks
like,
but
but
I
do
understand
that
bringing
about
the
best
experts
to
instruct
us
to
bring
it
into
kentucky
and
hold
those
accountable
only
means
that
we
improve-
and
I'm
in
support
of
that-
and
I
think
that
in
the
event
we
don't
invest
in
it.
Just
like
the
other
education,
then
then
we're
really
we're
insane.
H
We'll
continue
to
do
the
same
thing
over
and
over
again,
but
my
colleague
he's
exactly
right.
You
don't
want
to
take
from
one
program
to
this
other
one
for
the
first.
We
have
one-time
funds
that
will
be
for
a
couple
years.
We
have
a
economy,
that's
doing
doing
well,
we're
gonna
have
to
look
at
the
percentage
of
our
budget
and
say
what
percentage
of
our
budget
are
the
education
of
our
children
worth
our
total
budget.
H
G
Thank
you.
I've
got
a
couple
of
different
questions,
one
at
the
kde
level.
When
we
talked
a
couple
months
ago,
we
were
talking
about
changing
the
office.
I
think
that
oversaw
the
guidance
counselors
and
this
is
office-
is
kind
of
replacing
them.
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
work
that
the
guidance
counselors
do
now,
where
is
that
moving
to,
and
how
does
that
filter
through
the
regional
levels.
C
The
former
coordinator
of
counseling
services
has
now
taken
the
position
of
director
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
at
kde,
and
we've
now
hired
someone
to
feel
backfield
his
position
as
coordinator
of
school
counseling,
and
that
position
primarily
provides
support
to
all
of
our
school
districts
here
in
kentucky
around
counseling
issues.
In
fact
dr
sweeney
and
his
successor
and
on
occasion
I
would
join
them.
In
fact,
we
have
a
couple
school
districts.
C
I
won't
mention
them
where
we're
going
to
provide
direct
support,
direct
pd
in
addressing
issues
anywhere
from
school
climate,
to
issues
related
to
diversity,
issues
related
to
racism
and
what
have
you,
but
also
our
biggest
our
biggest
effort
right
now,
and
we
do
need
additional
support
and
that's
really
helping
our
school
districts
with
their
students
and
staff
member
social
and
mental
health
issues.
So
that
would
be
a
big
part
of
what
we'll
be
doing
going
forward
and
also
providing
support
for
our
school
districts
in
western
kentucky.
That's
just
simply
decimated
by
the
tornado.
G
G
C
These
particular
diversity,
equity
inclusion
positions
will
stay
at
the
regional
level,
providing
support
for
schools
at
the
school
district
level
that
that,
as
for
it,
that
need
it.
The
position
for
the
comprehensive
school
counseling
position
will
continue
to
stay
at
kde
and
support
our
council.
Our
school
counselors
across
the
commonwealth.
G
Okay
and
now
I'm
looking
at
the
price
tag
here
and
we're
talking
about
december
10th
through
june
30th,
so
approximately
200
000
for
a
year
for
the
coordinator.
So
this
says,
though,
for
three
years,
but
the
effective
date
for
the
contract
is
only
for
six
months.
So
are
we
going
to
see
a
renewal
here
and
these
people
are
making
north
of
150
000?
By
the
time
we
add
pension
and
health
benefits
or
how's
that
all
calculate.
C
Karen
is
miss
worth
is
our
numbers
person,
but
I
I
think
the
final
number
is
100
000.,
you
see
a
partial,
you
see
a
partial
salary,
because
these
folks
haven't
started
the
job
they
have.
All
of
them
have
not
started
working
yet.
So
I
think
that
explains
that
part.
But
now
these
jobs
are
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
it
includes
the
health
benefits
and
so
forth
again
I'll.
Let
karen
ensure
that
I'm.
D
Here
yeah,
dr
tucker,
that's
correct!
It's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
each
of
the
three
years
and
that
does
include
all
the
french
benefits
and
health
insurance
and
all
and
and
the
contract
will
be
for
for
a
hundred
thousand
if
approved.
However,
we
will
only
pay
the
amount
of
work.
The
coordinator
is,
actually
you
know,
doing
work
under
the
contract,
so
100
000
will
not
pay
out
at
the
end
of
the
year.
G
Okay,
mr
chairman,
I've
got
another
follow-up
if
I
could
finish
here,
so
we
were
talking
about
the
social
emotional
learning
surveys
earlier.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
or
is
this
office
or
these
regional
groups?
Are
they
going
to
make
a
normal
every
school
thou
shout
do
this
survey
so
that
every
school
has
to
do
the
same
survey,
because
my
understanding
and
so
far
talking
to
different
coordinators
in
different
schools,
they're
all
kind
of
picking
a
different
company
to
use
and
I've
looked
at.
G
You
know
online
the
panorama
and
others
they've
got
all
these
acronyms
these
different
companies
to
have
these
surveys
and
they
can
customize
it
for
your
school.
G
C
Now
it's
going
to
be
the
first
part
that
you
mentioned
they'll.
Look
at
the
surveys
that
again,
our
folks
are
not
going
to
mandate
that
you
shall
do
this.
You
must
do
this
x,
y
and
z.
We
we
do
have
what's
called
an
equity
playbook
that
we're
coming
up
with
and
it's
strictly
voluntary.
C
You
know
if
school
districts
want
to
have
these
research-based
strategies
to
close
these
gaps,
that
senator
meredith
mentioned.
That's
fine,
but
the
surveys.
The
schools
have
to
do
the
surveys
anyway,
so
our
regional
dei
coordinators
will
be
working
with
the
school
districts
with
their
and
again.
Some
of
these
folks
are
our
school
counselors.
They
have
a
school
counseling
background
and
many
of
our
school
counselors.
As
you
aptly
mentioned,
senator
southworth
they're
doing
multiple
jobs.
I
mean
the
school
counseling
association
said
it
should
be
only
one
to
250
ratios.
C
Some
of
our
outstanding
counselors
are
being
especially
during
this
tough
time
being,
are
responsible
for
the
care
of
three
400
students.
That's
not
the
case
in
every
district,
but
in
some
districts
there
are
they're
the
coordinator
of
testing.
You
know
they're,
covering
classes
they're,
doing
everything
to
help
their
schools
be
successful,
but
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
this
position
is
so
important
and
the
positions
that
we
ask
for
so
important
is
to
give
our
local
school
districts
that
need
the
support
that
want
the
support
to
give
them
a
break.
C
So
no
we're
not
going
to
force
them
survey
on
to
them.
They'll.
Look
at
the
existing
surveys
and
all
these
surveys
have
a
theme,
and
it
really
has
to
do
with
these
student
and
in
some
cases
with
staff
surveys,
their
affinity
for
the
school
are
they
is
the
culture.
Is
the
environment
conducive
for
learning
and
so
they'll?
Look
at
these
surveys
and
draw
conclusions
from
those
surveys.
G
Well
appreciate
that
I
just
want
to
refresh
our
memory
since
we're
talking
about
something
for
three
years,
but
we're
only
approving
it
right
now
through
june
30th.
So
the
big
question
that
we
consistently
have
with
these
limited
federal
funds
that
are
one-time
dollars
is
how
we're
going
to
keep
this
going
once
we
start
and
then
finally,
the
thing
that
I
feel
like
is
missing
in
these
sel
surveys,
I
like
to
find
out
how
people
are
feeling,
but
also
opposite
of
feelings.
G
We
need
to
push
the
word
resilience
because
there
is
zero
resilience
in
fact
we're
in
the
negatives.
At
this
point,
and
I
see
zero
efforts
toward
that,
and
we
have
people
come
in
these
committee
hearings
trying
to
recruit
police
officers
trying
to
recruit.
You
know
medical
workers
and
so
forth,
and
these
kids,
it's
like
man,
I
feel
bad.
So
I
don't
want
to
go.
Do
that
training
and-
and
it's
just
the
culture
that
we've
created
and
let's
make
sure
everybody
feels.
G
Okay,
has
actually
hurt
a
number
of
our
most
needed
positions
in
the
society,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
I
know
there's
got
to
be
a
balance
because
I
care
about
people
figuring
out
how
to
get
past
their
issues,
but
in
in
as
I
go
back
in
a
few
years,
you
know
the
people
that
have
figured
out
how
to
get
past
their
issues.
Philosophically,
that's
fantastic,
some
people
just
say
well,
I'm
just
gonna
have
to
push
through.
I
don't
have
time
to
to
deal
with
all
that
we're
just
gonna
have
to
push
through.
G
You
have
to
do
what
you
have
to
do
and
you
grow
from
it
and
you
grow
up
fast,
sometimes
and
there's
some
really
bad
situations
out
there.
I
think
we
spent
all
of
our
wheels
trying
to
solve
them
all,
instead
of
figuring
out.
How
do
we
take
what
we
have
and
move
forward?
So
that's
where
I
would
leave
it
right.
There.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll,
try
to
be
brief.
We're
talking
about
trying
to
address
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
and.
M
I
know
some
people
think
that
I
took
care
of
benefits.
I
had
certain
benefits
early
on,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
benefits
with
16
kids
in
a
one
bedroom
log
cabin
they're,
just
not
a
lot
of
benefits,
there's
a
lot
of
hard
work,
there's
a
lot
of
paying
attention
and
there's
a
lot
of
patients
waiting
for
things
to
happen.
M
Spending
tax
dollars
here
these
are
tax
dollars.
Somebody's
made
these
dollars,
they
didn't
just
kind
of
they
didn't
just
kind
of
you
know,
come
out
there
and
and
appear
my
wife
taught
for
38
years.
So
I
love
my
teachers.
I
love
the
school
system
and
I
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
school
system.
My
concern
is
how
we're
continually
in
in
our
cringe
when
people
tell
me
we're
not
spending
enough
enough
money
on
education,
it's
crazy!
It's
crazy!
M
M
Is
that
we're
not
addressing
the
environmental
factors
that
are
holding
our
kids
back?
We
don't
want
to
talk
about
that.
We
we
talk.
We
talk
as
if
money
is
going
to
make
all
the
difference.
We
have
all
the
environmental
factors.
We
have
family
factors,
we
have
parental
factors,
I
would
love.
I
would
absolutely
love
to
have
someone
come
in
here
and
ask
me
for
money
and
say,
but
we're
also
going
to
be
doing
this
with
the
parents.
We're
also
going
to
be
doing
this.
M
What
is
that?
Where
do
we
get
that
input
from
paying
coordinators
to
to
to
in
in
in
regional
educational
cooperatives,
to
teach
diversity,
education
and
inclusion,
because
we're
putting
the
money
out
there
and
then
the
kids
at
the
end
of
the
day,
are
going
back
to
their
same
homes
in
their
same
environments
and
we're
not
educating
or
improving
those
homes
or
those
environments?
M
M
To
be
able
to
move
forward,
we've
got
to
give
them
role
models.
We've
got
to
give
them
something
to
look
forward
to
someone
to
talk
to
someone
who
to
work
with
who
is
going
to
tell
them.
You
can
do
this,
you
can
do
whatever
you
want
to
do
not
tell
them
the
differences
that
they
have
between
this
person,
that
person
and
the
other
person
we
all
breathe.
We
all
go
to
the
bathroom.
M
E
C
We
obviously
want
someone
who
cares
about
students
who
cares
about
staff,
folks
who
care
about
education,
folks
who
care
about
life
experiences.
One
of
the
statements
I
made
and
to
really
address
senator
douglas
douglas's
question.
I
said
we
spent
a
whole
lot
of
time,
admiring
problems
talking
about
the
difficulties
of
trying
to
reach
students
and
why
we
can't
reach
them,
and
I
totally
agree
with
you
and
hopefully
you
and
I
can
sit
down.
I
can
share
with
you
all
about
my
background,
but
right
here
today,
we've
talked
about
these
difficulties.
C
For
the
first
time
in
kentucky,
we
can
systemically
use
research-based
strategies
beyond
talk
beyond
rhetoric,
because
there
are
strategies-
and
there
are
places,
as
I
said
earlier,
that
are
doing
exceptional
work
and
students
are
achieving
in
spite
of,
and
so
we
want
to
take
these
strategies.
And
again
I
talked
about
our
equity
playbook.
That's
coming
up.
C
We
want
to
take
these
research-based
strategies
that
have
been
proven
in
other
places
and
ensure
that
in
each
of
our
regions,
our
teachers,
where
it
matters
the
most
next
to
our
parents,
our
teachers
have
the
biggest
impact
on
student,
success
and
well-being
because
central
douglas,
we
can't
control
what
happens
at
home,
but
what
we
can
do.
We
can
control
what
happens
at
school
when
the
kids
are
with
us
six
to
eight
hours.
C
One
of
those
strategies
might
be
in
one
of
our
co-ops
would
be
to
engage
parents
and
family.
We
talked
about
family
and
parental
engagement,
so
one
co-op
or
one
school
district
may
need
professional
assistance
in
terms
of
how
do
we
better
engage
parents
so
that
they
can
assist
their
kids
so
that
gets
to
parents
being
involved
and
another
strategy
may
be
looking
at.
What
can
we
do
to
address?
What's
causing
disproportionality?
What's
causing
a
certain
group
of
students
to
be
suspended
and
expelled?
We
can
look
at
the
data
all
day
long.
C
We
can
look
and
ask
our
questions.
Why
are
african-american
males
being
suspended
twice
as
much
as
other
groups?
It
happens.
The
data
is
there,
but
what
we
haven't
done.
We
have
not
put
strategies
in
place
and
we
have
not
looked
at
the
data
one
of
the
things.
I
certainly
would
like
to
talk
with
you
all
about
some
point
in
time.
C
Every
school
district
in
kentucky
now
has
a
dashboard,
an
equity
dashboard
that
looks
at
every
student
and,
what's
different
now
versus
assessment
data
that
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
is
that
we
have
a
warning
bell
in
this
dashboard.
Letting
school
districts
know
that
some
disproportionality
is
happening.
We
have
fewer
kids
in
ap
courses
or
ib
courses
or
being
suspended
or
not.
We
can
do
something
about
it
now.
C
This
is
the
first
time
a
state
has
this
tool
in
their
hands
and
so
to
finish
answering
your
question
three
things
one
these
people
here,
gotta
love,
kids,
gotta
love
what
they
do.
They
need
to
have
a
passion
about
student
improvement,
to
be
able
to
look
at
this
data
and
come
up
with
strategies
to
address
these
gaps.
E
E
It's
it's
alarming.
It's
tragic!
How
much
it's
increased
over
the
last
decade
and
I
asked
a
very
innocent
question.
It
wasn't
misleading.
It
wasn't
leading
question
at
all.
I
asked
one
of
the
doctors.
I
said
with
all
this
data
you
have
available
to
you.
Is
there
any
one
particular
group
of
young
people
that
has
a
higher
probability
of
suicide
than
others,
something
you
can
slice
and
dice
it?
You
know,
can
you
do
it
by
racist?
Can
you
do
by
income
levels?
E
Can
you
do
it
by
anything
and
he
said
no,
it's
pretty
much
standard
across
the
board,
but
then
he
said,
except
there's
a
small
percentage
of
young
people
that
have
a
lower
probability,
and
so
what
why's
that-
and
he
really
searched
struggled
for
the
answer.
And
finally
he
said
it's
that
group
of
young
people
who
have
some
degree
of
religiosity.
E
You
know
what
he
really
wants
to
say
is
those
kids
who
have
a
belief
and
a
higher
being
and
a
god
and
what's
missing
from
all
this
discussion
is
you
know
we
want
kids
to
be
physically
fit?
We
want
to
be
mentally
fit,
but
we
do
nothing
about
their
spiritual
fitness
and
if
you
don't
believe
in
something
you
believe
in
nothing,
and
I
think
that's
what
we've
raised
a
whole
generation
of
doing
that.
E
They've
got
no
belief
in
anything
other
than
what's
here
and
now
and
I'm
not
preaching
any
particular
origin
religion,
but
unless
we
allow
students
truly
to
do
some
critical
thinking
about
the
wholeness
of
all
this
we're
going
to
fail.
But
we
can't
talk
about
these
things,
all
the
problems
we
we
are
dealing
with
here
in
the
millions
and
trillion
dollars
we're
going
to
spend
can
be
resolved
two
ways
when
you
tell
kids,
you
teach
them
every
day,
love
one
another.
E
A
L
D
D
E
I'm
gonna
vote
yes
this
time,
because
I
don't
want
to
to
be
accused
of
being
impediment
for
this
this
this
project
going
forward,
but
also
I
want
to
do
it
to
show
that
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
make
a
bit
of
difference
unless
we
focus
on
things
that
I'm
talking
about.
So
I
vote
aye.
A
A
Same
group
of
presenters,
the
kentucky
authority
for
educational
television,
love,
love,
ket,
love
everything
he
does
suffer
with
a
problem
myself.
I've
got
hulu,
so
I
can't
pick
up
ket
on
hulu,
so
I
went
and
bought
a
regular
antenna
hook
it
up
to
the
tv
and
that
doesn't
pick
up
channel
46
either
for
ket,
but
so
after
streaming
on
my
phone.
So
I'm
interested
to
hear
what
we're
doing
with
1.8
million
dollars
for
ket,
and
hopefully
it
has
something
to
do
with
making
it
easier
for
everybody
to
watch.
A
If
you,
those,
I
think,
you've
already
identified
yourself
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
and
let
you
present.
N
All
right,
so
this
project
is
the
first
part
of
a
three-year
project
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
replacement
of
ket's
baseline
broadcast
infrastructure
and
it's
to
bring
this
equipment
up
to
being
prepared
and
ready
for
atsc
3.0,
which
is
the
new
broadcast
standard
that
was
authorized
by
the
fcc
a
few
years
ago
that
standard's
being
rolled
out
in
markets
across
the
country.
N
N
This
equipment,
through
the
general
assembly's
investment,
was
last
replaced
15
years
ago.
So
this
is
equipment.
If
you
could
imagine
we're
running
ket's
broadcast
services,
our
internal
infrastructure,
our
editing,
our
master
control,
all
of
those
systems.
15
years
old,
some
of
it
sold
we're
not
able
to
do
security
updates
on
on
some
of
these
computers
and
systems.
If
you'd
imagine
having
a
15
year
old
iphone
and
trying
to
make
that
operate,
sometimes
that
can
can
really
cause
a
lot
of
challenges.
N
N
All
across
the
board,
absolutely
yes
and
one
of
the
great
things
about
atsc
3.0-
is
that
it's
it's
broadcast
resiliency
and
robustness
of
the
signal
actually
will
make
it
easier
to
receive
over-the-air
signals.
N
This
is
part
of
many
phases
in
getting
us
to
a
full
transition
to
atsc
3.0,
that's
a
larger
and
broader
transition,
but
certainly
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
getting
ket
on
every
device
that
you
can
receive
it,
including
on
your
tv,
with
a
with
an
antenna.
A
Appreciate
that
very
much,
I
need
to
hear
that
explanation
in
rural
kentucky
with
bad
internet.
It
is
very
hard
to
get
on
ket.org
sometime.
That's
why
I
was
very
concerned
when
I
plugged
in
the
regular
antenna
and
couldn't
pick
it
up
on
that
either
so
glad
to
hear
that
action's
being
taken
on
that
any
other
questions
or
comments.
A
L
A
F
A
Great
thank
you
for
being
here
with
us
this
afternoon.
I'll
get
this
party
started.
So
my
question
on
this
home
eviction
relief
program
has
to
do
with
the
landlords
themselves
and
just
some
more
understanding
of
this
program
and
are
they
taking
a
a
lesser
rate
of
the
land?
Are
the
landlords
being
protected
in
this
as
well?
Is?
Is
my
question?
So
if
you
just
explain
that
program,
that
would
be
great.
F
I
think
ms
smith
may
be
in
the
best
position
to
answer
that
question.
D
Yes
happy
to
do
it,
thank
you
for
for
having
us
so
the
program.
Of
course,
these
funds
haven't
begun
to
flow.
That's
why
this
is
coming
to
you
all,
but
the
healthy
at
home
eviction
relief
program
which
I'm
presuming
you're
speaking
to
we
have
been
operating
since
march
of
this
year
and
have
gotten
98
million
dollars
out
to
landlords
and
utilities,
and
I
will
say
that
99.5
of
the
funds
have
gone
via
direct
payments
to
landlords
and
utilities
once
in
a
while.
D
If
the
landlord
chooses
not
to
participate,
funds
are
paid
to
a
tenant.
The
way
that
the
landlord
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
talking
about
for
protections,
but
the
landlord
is
paid
directly.
We
are
required
to
give
them
the
first
chance
at
receiving
funds
directly
and
to
make
three
outreach
documented
outreach
attempts
to
make
sure
the
landlord
knows
that
we
are
engaged
with
the
tenant
and
that
we
would
like
to
pay
the
landlord
directly.
D
We
do
have
a
settlement
agreement
where
the
landlord
and
the
tenant
lay
out
what
they've
agreed
to
and
it
lays
out
how
much
money
is
being
paid
for
arrears
and
for
future
months
rent.
We
pay
lump
sum,
so
we
pay
arrears
and
three
months
of
future
rent
to
the
landlord
directly
via
an
electronic
payment
transfer
and
I'll
pause
there
in
case,
I'm
not
answering
the
question
that
you're
getting.
A
D
Yeah
there
is
no
discount
required
they're,
not
ask
to
you
know
what
we
do
ask
that
they
forgive
late
fees
or
penalties
related
to
non-payment
of
rent,
not
any
other
penalties.
If
there
was
a
damage
penalty
or
something
like
that,
that's
still
there,
but
we
do
ask
that
they
forgive
penalties
or
late
fees,
but
they
don't
have
to
forgive
any
rent
whatsoever.
H
A
D
A
G
D
N
D
Good
afternoon
I'm
andrew
young,
I'm
the
director
of
administration
and
financial
management
for
public
health,
and
I
have
with
me
mike
tuggle
assistant
director
of
afm,
and
I
have
bob
james
assistant
director
for
epi,
and
I
have
andy
waters
assistant
director
for
maternal
and
children,
health,
our
subject
matter.
Experts.
G
G
G
E
G
G
We
just
all
know
it's
everywhere.
How
about
how
about
that,
and
we
don't
need
to
worry
about
where
it
is
because
it's
everywhere
and
we
could
save
our
45
million
dollars
from
here
on
out
trying
to
track
it
down.
That
is
a
lot
of
money
that
needs
to
go
to
a
lot
of
needs,
one
of
which
we
could
we
could
talk
about
education,
talk
about
health.
We
talk
about
all
kinds
of
things,
45
million
dollars.
G
H
I
don't
understand
the
pandemic
or
the
response,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
it.
What
I've
learned
in
my
private
practice,
and
especially
as
a
public
servant,
is
to
depend
on
experts,
and
so
one
of
the
fear
that
we
do
have
not
only
the
rapid
spread
that
this
the
complete
annihilation
of
our
local
economy
in
the
event
that
we
does
happen,
so
I
think
his
fiscal
responsibility,
as
in
addition
to
the
humanity
aspect
of
it
that
we
have
to
approve
the
contract.
Thank
you.
E
To
center
weights
yates
a
comment,
I'm
thinking
about
filing
a
bill
to
eliminate
the
term
expert
from
our
lexicon.
I
don't
think
there
is
such
thing.
You
know
the
definition
of
is
supposedly
somebody
knows
a
lot
about
this,
but
we
found
out
it
depends
on
which
expert
you
talk
about
on
any
given
day
and
I'm
not
sure
there
really
is
anything
it's
I'll
put
in
the
same
category.
As
I
told
senator
douglas
about
the
common
sense.
I
think
it's
there
was
sasquatch
and
unicorns.
A
G
Mr
chairman,
can
I
withdraw
that
motion
and
make
a
motion
to
disapprove
just
of
number
48,
because
I
number
49,
I'm
not
a
fan
of
a
lot
of
these
programs,
but
it's
not
for
the
same
reason.
A
Yes,
ma'am,
we
will.
We
will
separate
these
we'll
separate
these
in
the
first
we
have
motion
withdrawn
and
we
now
have
motion
on
the
floor
to
disapprove
number
48.
Is
there
a
second
second
by
senator
douglas
clerk?
Please
call
the
roll.
D
N
Tracing,
I
don't
see
the
return
on
this
investment,
so
I
vote
no.
F
D
D
D
Mentor
I.
A
E
A
Yes
and
clerk,
will
you
please
let
us
know
what
that
vote
count
was
I
lost
track
in
there.
A
D
G
Splendor
vote.
Mr
chairman,
yes,
ma'am,
not
for
the
same
reasons,
I'm
just
not
a
fan
of
most
of
the
programming
here
that
and
so
I'm
just
gonna
vote
no.
D
E
A
A
A
All
right
final
item
on
the
agenda
is
exemption.
Request
it's
number
11
on
your
agenda.
I
will
let
you
take
a
second
to
read
it
and
then
I
will
entertain
a
motion
on
the
exemption
request.
So
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
exemption
request
by
co-chair
meredith.
Is
there
a
second
second
by
representative
hart
clerk?
Please
call
the
roll.
D
D
E
E
Well,
you're
going
to
you're
going
to
think
that
I'm
raising
the
objection
of
this
contract
because
it's
from
california,
but
no
I'm
not
matter
of
fact-
we
approved
it
back
in
2020..
My
concern
is-
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
put
us
on
point
of
this-
is
you
look
at
this?
Is
a
549
million
dollar
contract
now
it
goes
from
july
20
to
june
30.,
so
we're
six
months
before
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year.
E
We've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
over
the
last
couple
of
years
about
chapter
45
a's
and
what
we
operated
under
a
lot
of
weaknesses
in
this
program,
and
I
really
hope
over
the
next
year
or
two
years
that
we
can
really
surgically
take
a
look
at
45a
and
build
more
transparency
into
this
whole
process.
It
it
needs
it,
and
I
think
that
will
save
us
time
long
term,
but
just
want
to
call
you
that
to
your
attention
is
example
of
we
don't
always
receive
the
best
information.
But
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
your
indulgence.