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Role:
Mr
Adams
Mr
Adams,
Miss,
Garner,
Mr,
Gold,
present
Miss
Walker
present
Mr
Ward,
Miss,
comto,
Miss,
Dennis.
C
B
Mr
glass,
Mr
Harvey
here
miss
Marks.
C
D
A
F
A
C
Yes,
Katie
Marks
I'm
with
the
department
for
Behavioral,
Health,
Developmental
and
intellectual
disabilities
and
I
am
the
commissioner,
and
we
just
wanted
to
share
that.
We
are
really
pleased
to
have
received
our
notice
of
of
award
for
our
Kentucky
six.
This
is
our
sixth
system
of
care
award
to
to
the
state.
This
is
a
a
remarkable
accomplishment.
It's
a
competitive
award,
we've
worked
hard
and
in
cooperation
with
AOC,
with
DJJ
partners
with
dcbs,
and
so
we're
really
pleased.
C
This
is
going
to
be
able
to
serve
children
with
serious
emotional
distur
disturbance,
who
are
also
involved
in
dcbs
or
DJJ,
and
so
a
lot
more
to
come
in
the
coming
weeks,
months
and
years,
but
I
just
wanted
everyone.
That's
been
keeping
an
ear
out
for
that
to
hear
Kentucky
6
is
here
thanks.
A
Thank
you
for
that
update.
I
will
also
note
that
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
has
submitted
U.
Their
report
is,
as
usual,
it's
in
the
file
or
it's
in
your.
A
Package
and
our
presentation,
one
of
the
presentations
today,
will
be
upon
Community
Supervision
Stephanie
Francis,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
community
and
Mental
Health
Services
with
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice.
If
you
would
come
forward,
you're
recognize
and
if
you
would
just
introduce.
A
G
Thank
you
very
much
thanks.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
come
and
speak
about
what
we
do
at
Community,
Mental
Health
within
DJJ
I'll
get
started
as
established
in
KRS
15
a020
and
KRS
600.
G
010,
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice's
office
of
community
and
Community
Mental
Health
Services,
also
known
as
Community
Mental
Health
is
an
integral
part
of
the
Juvenile
Justice
System.
The
community.
The
community
Comm
service
arm
also
provides
post
adjudication
supervision
and
Case
Management
Services
to
youth
that
are
probated
committed
and
sentenced
to
DJJ
Additionally,
the
Mental
Health
Service
arm
of
the
Community
Mental
Health,
provides
case.
Specific
therapeutic
services
for
probate
committed
and
senten
youth,
Community,
Mental,
Health
Services
are
structured
to
assist
and
preventing
delinquency,
promoting
pro-social,
behaviors
and
providing
protection
to
the
community.
G
We
provide
intensive
Case
Management
Services
with
to
the
youth
throughout
their
time
with
DJJ
Community
Mental
Health
does
not
provide
any
pre-adjudicated
Services.
The
function
of
Community
Mental
Health
is
to
provide
super
supervisory
service
to
prevent
as
many
youth
as
possible
from
going
further
into
the
system
to
make
recommendations
for
out
of
home
placement
for
youth
that
are
in
need
of
more
intensive
Services
Community
Mental
Health
serves
two
primary
purposes:
to
hold
the
youth
who
have
offended
accountable
for
their
behavior
and
to
support
their
rehabilitative
reil
Rehabilitation
through
Service
delivery.
G
The
coordination
of
Service
delivery
is
includes,
but
is
not
limited
to
linking
the
youth
with
evidence-based
Community,
Resources,
counseling
and
therapeutic
services.
Skill
and
strength
building
programs
to
address
needs
identified
during
the
juvenile
court
process.
Community
Mental
Health
provides
case
structured
case
Management
Services,
intended
to
promote
positive
behavioral
changes
in
the
youth,
with
the
use
of
incentives
and
graduated
sanctions.
The
ultimate
goal
is
to
reduce
the
likelihood
of
rein
fending.
The
entire
Community
Health
service
team
consists
of
about
193
staff
separated
out
in
five
state
regions
that
contains
about
20
districts.
G
The
community
service
arm
makes
up
the
most
of
that,
which
is
we
have
five
juvenile
Services
regional
managers,
20
juvenile
Service,
District
supervisors,
25
juvenile
service
specialists,
15
administrative
staff
and
108
field
staff,
which
we
call
juvenile
service
workers.
The
community
mental
health
section
consists
of
three
regions
under
a
assistant
director
and
three
psychologists.
We
currently
have
a
vacancy
there
and
18
clinical
and
licensed
staff.
Djj
community
staff
participate
in
district
and
circuit
courts.
G
The
juvenile
service
workers
and
mental
health
clinicians
work
diligently
with
the
court
to
gather
information,
conduct
assessments
and
make
recommendations
for
the
disposition
of
juvenile
cases.
Not
all
in
the
court
system
are
served
through
djj's
office
of
Community
and
Mental
Health
Services.
Only
those
probated
committed
and
sentenced
to
DJJ
all
other
youth
are
served
through
services
such
as
Court,
probation
or
other
sanctions
deemed
necessary
by
the
district
court.
Community
service
work
begins
in
the
district
court
setting
after
post
adjudication
when
the
court
orders
a
predisposition
investigation
report.
G
This
is
a
written
report
completed
by
the
juvenile
service
worker
relating
to
a
use:
mental,
physical
and
social
history,
as
well
as
assessment
results
that
contain
recommendations
based
on
the
findings
to
assist
the
juvenile
court
in
making
appropriate
disposition.
The
primary
component
of
a
PDI
process
is
evaluating
the
use
risk
and
need
this
allows
identification
of
How
likely
a
youth
is
to
reoffend
in
what
areas
of
need
to
that.
G
The
area
that
the
youth
needs
to
improve
in
order
to
be
successful
disposition
recommendations
range
from
no
Services
community
service
hours,
apology,
letters,
Court,
probation
and
probation
to
DJJ
for
youth
involved
in
more
serious
offenses.
The
requirements
outlined
in
Senate,
Bill
200,
the
recommendation
can
be
commitment
or
sentencing
to
DJJ
probation
to
DJJ
is
a
disposition,
means
establishing
a
set
of
conditions
for
the
you
youth
to
abide
by
to
avoid
committing
additional
offenses.
G
The
aspect
of
probation
requires
a
youth
to
participate
in
school
or
work
programs
attending
and
participating
in
meetings
with
the
juvenile
service
worker
or
the
mental
health
worker,
drug
testing
curfew
and
participating
in
programming
geared
toward
addressing
needs.
The
juvenile
service
worker
identifies
Community
providers
and
programming
and
assist
the
youth
and
the
families
in
arranging
Services,
when
the
disposition
of
a
youth
youth
case
is
commitment
to
DJJ.
This
means
that
the
youth
is
placed
under
the
custody,
control
and
supervision
of
DJJ
to
receive
additional
treatment.
G
This
treatment
may
occur
in
the
community
while
the
youth
is
leaving
with
a
guardian
or
approved
parent
by
law.
Djj
is
required
to
utilize
least
restrictive
means
possible
to
address
the
you's
needs
and
Care.
G
Therefore,
in
situations
where
the
use
of
fence
level
rist
level
indic
Ates
that
the
community
is
not
an
option,
the
youth
will
be
placed
by
DJJ
classification
in
a
PCC
foster
home
residential
facility,
DJJ
group,
home
or
DJJ
U
residential
facility
Community
Mental
Health
jsw
continues
case
management,
while
the
youth
is
in
care
and
provides
re-entry
planning
upon
return
home.
This
includes
maintaining
contact
with
the
parent
and
guardian
while
encouraging
their
part
participation
in
use
treatment
for
youth
that
are
sentenced
or
confined
to
DJJ.
G
This
means
the
severity
of
crime
warrants
that
the
youth
be
tried
as
an
adult
in
Circuit
Court.
In
such
cases,
the
jsw
completes
a
PR
sentence
investigation.
This
report
process
is
similar
to
the
PDI
process
in
District
Court,
with
the
U
offender
for
the
youthful
offender.
Following
the
conviction,
a
sentenced
youthful
offender
will
U
be
confined
in
a
DJJ
facility
until
the
age
of
18.
At
that
time
they
return
to
to
court
for
a
final
sentencing.
G
At
that
point,
the
youth
can
return
to
DJJ
facility
for
additional
five
months
of
treatment
or
be
probated
to
adult
probation,
be
transferred
to
the
Department
of
Corrections
or
to
be
released
without
further
action.
Despite
the
court,
the
youth
status,
whether
being
probated
committed
or
sentenced
all
youth,
receive
a
risk
and
needs
assessment
in
conjunction
with
the
youth
and
their
family.
The
jsw
develops
treatment,
obje
objectives
and
a
comprehensive
case
plan
to
guide
youth
in
their
treatment
in
summation.
G
The
jsw
10's
Court
testifies
conducts
pre
disposition,
investigation
reports,
PSI
reports
and
advocates
for
the
Youth.
They
provide
direct
supervision
of
probation,
committed
and
sentenced.
Juvenile
offenders
that
reside
in
the
community.
G
Through,
electronic
monitoring,
home
visits,
School
visits,
office
visits,
drug
testing
and
curfew
monitoring
collaborate
with
community-
based
coalitions
such
as
the
fair
team
and
overall
providing
Case
Management
Services
directed
at
reducing
risk
factors,
building
resilience
and
strengths
in
the
youth,
the
mental
health
division
there's
our
second
prong
of
djj's
office
of
Community,
Mental,
Health,
Services,
KRS,
635,
500
and
520
provides
DJJ
to
have
sole
Authority
and
responsibility
for
establishing
and
designing
and
operation
of
juvenile
sex
offender
treatment
programs.
Prior
to
the
development
of
DJJ
mental
health
treatment
programming.
G
All
all
services
were
contracted
out.
Djj's
Mental
Health
primary
responsibilities
are
to
complete
the
juvenile
sex
offender
assessment,
make
recommendations
to
the
court
whether
a
youth
is
declared
a
juvenile
sex
offender
and
to
provide
sexual
offender
treatment
for
those
not
placed
in
out
of
Home
Care.
The
treatment
program
delivered
by
mental
health.
For
these
you,
you
are
geared
toward
providing
early
intervention
treatment
and
to
deter
repeat
offending
behavior.
G
The
treatment
programming
delivered
for
these
youth
are
geared
toward
U,
providing
early
intervention
and
treatment.
In
conjunction
with
the
DJJ
jsw's,
the
Continuum
of
Care,
that's
been
developed
Works,
they
work
collaborative
with
the
youth
and
families
and
other
Community
Partners
are
natural
support
s
in
order
to
develop
comprehensive
treatment
plans
that
will
address
the
youth,
recidivism
and
counseling
needs,
while
utilizing
evidence-based
modalities
throughout
the
course
of
treatment.
Mental
health,
clinicians
reeval
re-evaluate
the
use
progress
every
60
days.
G
This
process
includes
everyone
in
the
treatment
team,
the
parents
Guardian
school
officials
if,
if
available
and
Community
Partners,
additionally,
the
m
health
workers
work
collaborative
with
the
community
based
staff
jsw's
to
assist
in
maintaining
the
youth
in
the
community
versus
revocation
for
out
of
home
placement.
In
addition,
they
provide
the
treatment
also,
they
also
work
with
other
youth
in
the
community
that
are
probated
committed
and
sentenced.
G
The
jsw
makes
referrals
for
the
Youth
for
individual
counseling
family
counseling
substance,
abuse,
U,
Crisis,
Intervention,
and
treatment
for
sexually
problematic
Behavior
for
youth
that
are
not
declared
sex
offenders.
Mental
health
clinicians
strive
to
provide
accurate
assessment
of
the
youth
needs,
utilize,
evidence-based
intervention
to
increase
Public
Safety
and
improve
quality
of
life
for
the
offender
and
victim.
G
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
many
kids
that
the
Community
Mental
Health
staff
serve
every
day,
we
have
3
66,
committed
youth,
273,
probated,
youth,
26,
youthful
offenders,
four
probated
youthful
offenders,
67
juvenile
sex
offenders,
we're
working
on
at
least
201,
pending
PSIs
and
pdis
we're
following
90
youth
that
are
pending
the
youthful
offender
process
and
that's
a
grand
total
of
960
cases
that
staff
are
are
touching
and
working
with
every
day.
G
This
number
also
includes
158
staff
that
are
placed
in
residential
out
of
home
placement
such
as
Youth
Development,
Centers
group
homes
and
pccc's.
We
continue
to
work
with
those
kids,
while
they're
there
and
U
work
with
the
families
as
well,
some
evidence-based
programming
that
we
do
that
I'd
like
to
highlight
the
yazzy,
which
is
called
the
youth
assessment
screening
instrument.
It's
a
validated
assessment
tool
that
measures
risk
and
needs
and
protective
factors
in
at
risk.
Juvenile
Justice
involved
youth.
G
Provides
risk
and
needs
information,
as
well
as
strengths
in
the
domains
of
family,
school
peers,
Community,
alcohol
and
drug
use,
Mental,
Health,
aggression
and
violence,
attitude,
skills,
legal
employment
and
free
time,
the
domains
or
subscales
include
both
static,
historical
and
changeable
and
dynamic,
which
is
the
changeable
factors.
The
static
factors,
such
as
the
delinquency
record,
are
necessary
and
efficient
predictors
of
recidivism.
The
nine
Dynamic
factors
are
predictors
of
recidivism
and
also
point
to
the
use,
characteristics
and
behavioral
patterns
that
need
to
change
in
order
to
reduce
problematic
Behavior.
G
The
case
planning
is
individualized
action,
oriented
and
strength,
focused
DJJ
jsw's
and
the
community
mental
health
workers
received
training
from
orbus
in
February
of
2021
on
how
to
administer
the
yazzy
and
to
create
strength-based
case
planning.
Djj
yazzy
coaches
were
also
trained
in
providing
support
to
the
assessor
and
maintaining
Fidelity
DJJ
Statewide
began
administering
the
yazzy
as
a
pilot
to
new
and
existing
cases
in
August
2021.
The
azi
is
currently
being
administered
Ator
to
all
youth
that
are
probated
committed
and
sentenced,
or
in
under
interstate
compact
jurisdiction,
Supervision
in
Kentucky.
G
The
the
next
area
that
kind
of
goes
along
with
the
yazzy
is
the
change
company's
Forward
Thinking
curriculum.
It's
used
U
to
improve
outcomes
for
juveniles
in
the
justice
system.
It's
interactive,
journaling,
evidence-based,
structured
writing,
process
that
motivates
and
gu
participant
toward
positive
Life,
Changes
embedded
in
the
processes,
use
of
motivational,
interviewing,
structured
writing,
structured
expressive,
writing
and
trans
theoretical
model
of
change.
Cognitive
behavioral
therapy
to
assist
in
shaping
the
thoughts
and
behaviors
of
the
youth.
G
The
Forward
Thinking
curriculum
is
designed
to
be
used
in
conjunction
with
a
risk
and
needs
assessment
and
for
Kentucky,
that's
the
yazzy,
the
journals
prayer
with
the
domains
and
criminogenic
needs
on
the
yazzy.
Therefore,
once
a
youth's
risk
are
identified
and
determined,
the
jsw
can
assign
a
corresponding
journal
to
the
curriculum.
This
curriculum
contains
nine
individual
journals
and
nine
facilitator
guides.
The
journals
are
divided
into
core
content.
Domains
in
criminogenic
needs
areas.
The
core
journals
are.
What
got
me
here:
responsible,
behavior,
re-entry
planning
and
individual
case
plan.
G
Specific
criminal
criminogenic
need
journals
are
the
handling,
difficult
feelings,
relationship
and
communication
victims,
awareness
and
substance
abuse
behavior
in
family,
the
Forward
Thinking
curriculum
was
developed
in
2012
for
justice
involved
populations
and
it's
a
cognitive
behavioral
series
that
guides
the
youth
through
making
positive
changes.
The
change
company
is
only
provider
of
this
Nationwide
curriculum.
G
What
we
do
with
families
is
we
help
to
remove
barriers
for
success
for
kids
and
families,
so
we
have
developed
a
what
we
call
a
community
resource
center
and
at
times,
kids
don't
have
the
things
that'll
help
them
succeed,
such
as
clothes,
shoothing,
shoes,
school
supplies,
hygiene
items,
the
intent
is
to
assist
these
youth
with
successful
reintegration
into
the
community
and
remove
those
identified
barriers
in
hopes
of
continuing
a
path
for
Success.
G
So
the
center
has
numerous
items
available
for
the
Justice
involved,
Youth
and
families
in
need,
including,
but
not
limited
to
clothes,
shoes,
school
supplies,
cleaning
supplies,
an
array
of
hygiene
products
and
bed
lining
and
U
bedding.
The
Center
opened
at
Louisville
day
treatment
with
plans
to
expand
to
the
remaining
DJJ
day.
G
Treatments
throughout
the
state
DJJ
provides
program
funding
and
for
the
the
items
and
for
the
Youth
in
need
and
any
DJJ
employee
can
make
a
referral
to
the
resource
center
and
items
will
be
shipped
or
fied
across
the
state
to
the
intended
party.
And,
finally,
the
department
is
in
the
process
of
implementing
additional
life
skills,
curriculum
for
Community
youth
that
are
probated
committed
and
probated
Youthful
offenders
as
well.
There
are
three
programs
that
we're
currently
using
and
those
are
the
life
skills
reimagined
getting
on
track
and
path
will
explore.
G
Each
of
these
programs
are
unique
and
having
all
three
options
will
allow
the
flexibility
to
meet
the
youth
in
many
different
circumstances.
Content
includes
areas
such
as
personal
finance,
getting
and
keeping
a
job
resiliency
and
communication
skills.
By
offering
these
programs
DJJ
has
opportunity
to
educate
our
youth
in
areas
that
have
been
proven
to
increase
the
chances
of
success
in
adulthood.
Two
of
the
three
programs
also
provide
very
useful
assessment
and
career
guidance
education
for
youth
who
are
planning
to
enter
into
a
secondary
education
setting
or
a
Workforce.
G
This
is
the
conclusion
of
the
presentation
for
the
Community
and
Mental
Health
division.
So
again,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
highlight
what
we
do
in
Community,
Mental
Health
Services.
A
Well,
thank
you,
director,
for
your
testimony
today
on
a
on
a
Friday
I.
Think
we're
testing
everybody's
dedication
being
here
at
to
on
a
Friday.
So
I
appreciate
your
your
presentation.
You
talked
about
psychologists,
how
many
of
them
are
under
Community
and
Mental.
Health
Services
working
within
your
area
and
I
know
you
had
mentioned,
there's
a
vacancy
yes,
and
what
effect
has
that
vacancy
had.
I
A
And
the
effectiveness
of
your
of
what
you're
doing
because
I
know
it's
sounds
like
that's
a
huge
part
of
it.
So.
G
So
we
have
three
regional
psychologists
in
the
community
mental
health
section.
One
of
those
psychologists
is
pulling
double
duty.
She's,
the
assistant
director,
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
feeling
her
position,
they're
very
dedicated
staff.
They
do
a
lot
for
the
Department
and
if
I
could
clone
all
three
of
them,
I
sure
would.
G
D
Sir,
that
was
a
lot
of
info,
so
if,
if
I'm
asking
for
something
that
you
covered
I
apologize.
B
D
G
Well,
for
my
staff,
it's
in
the
court
process
after
a
kid
has
been
found,
adjudicated
delinquent.
We
do
a
report
that
includes
We
Gather.
All
the
information
that
include
any
assessments
that's
been
done
in
the
past.
Our
assessment
that
my
staff
would
do
would
be
the
yazzy
which
identifies
the
risk
and
needs.
D
G
After
either
detention,
arraignment
or
pre-trial
conference,
then
my
staff
would
pick
up
and
they
would
do
a
court
report
and
that's
providing
the
information
to
the
court.
G
G
J
It
does
I
mean
it
depends
on
who
they've
been
involved
with
in
the
system
if
they
come
into
detention.
There's
assessments
that
are
done
there
and
that
information
is
shared.
What
some
of
the
information
that
they
collect
if
the
kids
been,
if
they
child's
been
found
guilty
as
they'll
check
with
our
detention
folks
and
see
what
they
have,
and
also
some
of
these
people
have
had
a
lot
done
in
the
community
Through
the
CDW
process
through
Behavioral
Health
other
areas.
So
not
every
kid
who
goes
to
the
court
system
comes
to
DJJ.
J
D
Well,
you
know
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
leeway.
You
know
I
remember.
During
our
discussions
last
session,
someone
told
me
I
can't
really
remember
who
it
said
that
a
child
may
be
involved
in
family
court
for
a
few
years,
but
then,
when
they
get,
they
break
a
law
or
something
they
go
into
into
the
criminal
areas
or
the
DJJ
areas
that
those
records
don't
follow
that
person
and
that's
a
big
problem
so.
G
I
just
gather
all
the
information
that
they
can
obtain,
whether
that's
if
a
kid's
been
to
a
stabilization,
Hospital
stabilization
placement.
If
we're
aware
of
those
records,
we'll
try
to
to
gather
those
records
in
order
to
provide
the
court
with
the
full
picture,
the
history
of
the
kid
and
what
the
needs
are.
D
F
Carol,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
and
director
Francis.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today
in
in
lie
of
the
legislation
that
passed
last
session.
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
with
the
the
salary
issues
and,
and
can
you
first,
can
you
talk
about
your
Staffing
and
can
you
talk
about
case
loads
and
and
and
maybe
the
the
evolution
of
your
case
loads
over
the
last
decade
and
how
that's
been
and
and
and
talk
about
along
with
the
Staffing?
F
Are
you
facing
pay
issues,
and
this
may
be
something
that
the
Secretary
of
commissioner
want
to
weigh
in
on
but
I?
You
know
I
got
comments
after
that
that
we
were
focusing
solely
on
detention,
centers
that
some
of
the
other
employees
in
other
areas
within
DJJ
felt
like
they
were
left
out
and
what
problems
has
that
caused?
You.
G
Well,
before
Senate
Bill
200,
the
case
loads
were
extremely
high
and
with
implementation
of
Senate
Bill
200
really
did
a
good
job
about
placing
youth
lower
end
risk
kids,
where
they
needed
to
be
not
with
DJJ.
So
our
case
loads
had
dramatically
decreased
and
now
they're
they're,
starting
to
Trend
up
a
little
bit,
and
that
always
seems
to
happen.
You'll
have
a
rise
and
then
a
decrease
Staffing
wise.
We
always
have
issues
in
certain
areas.
You
know
that
have
good
economic
resources
available.
G
Jefferson
has
job
opportunities,
Northern
Kentucky
some
in
the
west,
and
that
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
you
know
to
fill
those
positions,
but
overall
we've
got
good
staff.
We
have
low
turnover
rate
in
most
of
the
areas
that
really
you
know,
helps
when
we
have
that
that
ability
of
staff
to
be
there
for
a
long
time
and
build
the
relationships
with
the.
F
Kids,
you're
kind
of
dancing
around
the
salary
issue.
Are
you
not
comfortable
answering
that
if.
B
K
Uncomfortable
he
often
is
uncomfortable.
That's,
if
are
you
talking
Senator
specifically
into
what
was
done
last
session.
K
F
I
know
we
created
some
inequities
with
with
what
we
did
and-
and
we
probably
need
to
get
a
really
clear
picture
of
what
those
inequities
are.
So
when
we
take
further
steps
that
we
can
work
towards
correcting
those
inequities,
because
I
I
feel
like
what
you
all
do
is
every
bit
as
important
as
as
the
Frontline?
U?
U
I
guess,
Corrections
Officers
now
or
whatever
we're
calling
them
and
and
so
I
I'll
stop
right.
K
There,
no
and
and
I
agree
with
everything
you
said
said:
I'm
sure
the
commissioner
does
too
and
I
I
think
we
understand
that,
and
this
is
a
conundrum
that
we
approach
not
just
in
DJJ,
but
do
would
be
a
good
example
really
KSP
as
well.
You
know
because
we
we
do
things
for
sworn
officers
and
sometimes
the
unsworn
staff
perform
absolutely
vital
work.
They
don't
share
in
those
benefits
exactly
the
same.
So
this
relates
to
Broad
more
broadly
than
than
just
DJJ,
but
specifically
with
Senate
Bill
162.
K
The
first
thing,
I
would
say,
is
I
I,
think
I,
I,
hope
I
have
every
time
I've
had
a
chance
to
to
speak
to
it
is
we
deeply
appreciate
what
the
legislature
did
for
our
people
on
that
and
we
appreciated
the
chance
to
work
with
you
all
on
that
it's
made
and
it's
still
making
a
very
positive
difference.
The
way
we
approach
that
you
know
you
I
I,
think
the
context
is
important.
We
were
looking
at
the
most
immediate
problem
that
we
had
and
that
was
with
I.
K
Don't
think
anybody
would
disagree
that
the
immediate
crisis
we
were
approaching
was
with
security.
In
the
detention
facilities-
and
you
all
know
that
as
well
as
I
do,
and
so
we
were
trying
to
address
that
and-
and
we
were
doing
that
in
a
year-
it
was
not
a
budget
year
and
we
were
being
reminded
a
lot
by
legislative
leadership
that
there
was
no
intent
to
generally
open
the
budget.
K
So
what
we
did
with
What
U,
with
with
what
we
were
trying
to
do
at
the
beginning
of
the
session,
is
just
to
address
the
most
immediate
problem,
and
then
it
was
Senator,
Westerfield
and,
and
others
expressed
a
desire
to
broaden
that
and
I
think
we
immediately
and
absolutely
and
100%
supported
that,
because
during
my
time
at
Justice
and
I'll
I'll
eliminate
all
the
non-merit
people.
From
this
comment.
K
All
of
us
who
are
appointed
by
the
governor
but
in
terms
of
our
Merit
staff,
I,
have
not
run
into
a
Justice
cabinet
employee,
that's
overpaid,
when
you
think
about
the
jobs
that
our
people
do
from
State
policing
to
guarding
our
prisons
to
guarding
to
to
taking
care
of
juvenile
facilities.
K
So
so
we
appreciated
the
fact
that
those
compensation
increases
were
broadened
to
include
others
and
I
agree
with
your
comment
that
and
your
observation
that
we
I
think
did
a
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
addressing
the
detention
issues
in
terms
of
compensation,
I
I,
hope
we're,
not
finished,
but
we
made
a
lot
of
progress
and
I.
K
Think
now
that
U
we're
we
haven't
solved
all
the
problems,
but
I,
don't
think
we're
in
the
same
period
of
urgency
that
we
were
in
a
year
ago
or
last
winter
I
think
it's
entirely
appropriate
to
look
at
at
the
employment
base
across
the
whole
department,
and
we
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
the
legislature
to
do
that
and
again
we
for
all
of
these
positions,
which
are
critically
important,
I
mean
we
know
that
the
the
clinicians,
the
social
workers,
the
psychologists,
all
of
those
people
are
vitally
important
to
making
this
system
work.
K
And
it's
I
mean
it's
to
me.
It's
a
pretty
simple
proposition:
we
have
to
pay
competitive
market
wages
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have
an
adequate,
Workforce
and
I
think
really
doesn't
matter
whether
you're
talking
about
psychologist
or
you're,
talking
about
Damon's,
public,
Advocates
or
you're
talking
about
Corrections
Officers.
K
So
I
don't
know
if
that,
if
that
provides
you
with
the
information
you
needed,
but
I
would
just
say
that
when
we
approached
this
last
winter,
we
were
trying
to
focus
in
on
what
was
in
the
most
crisis
at
that
point
in
time,
because
we
we
we
did
not
want
to
to
make
requests
that
were
that
would
be
misinterpreted
as
trying
to
generally
rewrite
the.
F
G
I,
don't
think
we
would
be
losing
staff,
they
may
not
be
happy,
everybody
would
want.
Anybody
wants
additional
salaries,
but
as
far
as
turnover
rate
and
most
of
the
state,
we
have
a
very
low
turnable
rate.
L
F
Okay
and
if
I
might
just
a
a
followup
to
that,
we
talk
a
lot
about
the
population,
that's
being
served
within
detention
facilities.
Now
is
a
much
more
violent,
just
a
different
kid
than
what
it
was
in
in
the
past,
largely
because
of
Senate
Bill
200.
How
have
you
all
adjusted
to
that
and
how
has
it
affected
your
ability
to
provide
your
services,
the
the
risk
that
your
staff
is
is
in?
How
have
you
all
adjusted
to
that?
F
As
we
talk
about
securing
the
facilities,
training,
the
correct
juvenile
correction
officers?
Have
you
all
had
to
make
adjustments
over
the
years
to
to
keep
up
with
the
population
that
you're
serving.
G
We've
been
very
lucky
that
you
know
anybody
in
the
community
faces
danger
every
day,
I
mean
even
as
Citizens.
We
do,
but
we've
not
had
situations
in
the
community
that
anybody's
been
harmed,
but
what
we're
doing
in
order
to
kind
of
help
the
office
situation.
Things
like
that.
We're
we're
increasing
security
as
well.
Just
like
the
facilities
staff
have
the
ability
U.
You
know
to
feel
safe
in
their
environment
that
they're
working
in.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
I,
appreciate,
I,
appreciate
you
coming
ma'am
to
to
talk
about
your
side
of
of
DJJ,
which
I
I
think
is
very
Senator.
Carol
just
asked
you
about
the
case
load
and
you
mentioned
U
about
900
kids.
If
I
remember
the
the.
C
E
G
900
doesn't
mean
that
we're
providing
actual
inh
home
service
or
supervision
service.
You
know
we're
doing
Court
reports
we're
following
youthful
offenders:
potential
youth
offenders
through
the
court
process,
so
in
most
areas
our
case
loads
are
very
manageable.
Of
course
you
have
more
urban
areas
where
the
case
loads
are
much
higher.
E
L
E
Kids
108
staff
is:
is
that
roughly
what
it
is
in
any
given
time?
Is
it
higher
than
normal?
Is
it
I
understand?
Things
are
cyclical
and
I'm
just
asking
for
a
snapshot
today,
but
you
mentioned
a
moment
ago
that
things
are
trending
up.
G
E
G
We
could
always
use
more
staff
and
that's
always
I'm
sure
for
everybody
that
they
could
use
more
staff,
but
this
the
duties
that
staff
get
credit
for
are
when
their
kids
are
probated
committed.
Those
are
the
duties
that
are
in
front
of
them
every
day.
These
are
other
duties
that
we
do
in
order
to
make
the
process
run
smooth.
We
make
sure
we
track
you
for
offenders
that
way,
nobody
get
slips
through
U.
E
E
You
mentioned
that
most
of
tell
unless
I
I
misheard
it
did.
You
say
that
most
of
what
you
all
are
doing
is
post
adjudication.
Is
that
right?
Yes,
what
are
you
doing
for
the
yo
cases?
That's
still
post
adjudication
I
when
you
said
pending
yo,
my
brain
is
thinking
pre-adjudication
because
they're
they
may
be
waved
up.
They
may
not
be,
but
let's
assume
they
are.
G
They
have
yeah,
they
have
been
waved
up.
Usually
we
don't
pick
up
on
the
case
until
a
prenten
investigation
is
ordered.
E
E
Okay,
all
the
way
until
they
are
no
longer
part
of
the
system,
detention
or
not,.
E
Djjs,
what
is
pay
scale
for
your
side
of
the
shop
today?
What's
your
starting
salary.
E
E
To
include
in
its
budget
request,
whatever
figure
and
I
still
haven't
gotten
a
number
on
what
that
amount
is,
but
to
bring
this
side
of
the
shop
up
to
a
commensurate
level
with?
U,
with
the
correction
or
the
detention
side
of
the
agency,
I'm
not
going
to
ask
you
about
morale,
but
I'm,
going
to
tell
you
if,
if
I
had
to
judge
morale
of
the
entire
agency,
not
just
Community
Corrections
but
detention
side.
E
Also,
if
I
had
to
judge
morale
based
on
the
emails
and
calls
that
I
got
and
continue
to
get
it
wouldn't
be
great,
it
just
wouldn't
be
good
at
all,
it'd
be
unhealthy.
What
is
the
average
time
a
child
spends
on
a
case
load
with
one
of
the
community
folks.
G
So
it
depends
on
if
their
time
limited
the
Lord,
let
offenses
no
no
weapon,
no
sex
offense.
Those.
E
G
Time
sensitive,
so
you
know
we
don't
really
have
any
control
over
that,
but
a
youth
that
has
a
weapon
or
a
serious
offense.
They
could
be
with
us
till
age,
18.
E
If
that's
something
we
could
get
I'd
be
interested
in
knowing
that
interested
in
knowing
out
of
all
900
how
many
are
on
on
cases
where
there's
a
fixed
time
and
how
many
aren't
and
of
the
ones
that
aren't.
What's
your
average
length
of
time,
I
be
curious
to
know
or
what
the
age
breakdown
is,
or
both
okay
U
curious
to
know
what
what
kind
of
length
of
time
they're
staying
on
there
and
the
last
question
least
for
the
moment,
would
be.
What
are
your
needs
today?
G
We've
communicated
with
we
work
close
with
Justice,
so
they've
working
with
the
office
of
U,
the
budget
budget
office,
so
I
think
all
of
our
needs
have
been
at
least
covered
to
this.
G
Office
spaces
is
something
that
you
know
we're
looking
at
any
type
of
community
service
that
we
could.
You
know,
contracts
that
we're
working
on.
E
Okay,
well
I
I'll,
just
close
by
saying
I
I,
hope,
you'll
reach
out
to
us
Reach
Out,
directly
to
your
own
state,
senator
and
State
Rep,
if
not
to
this
committee,
and
let
us
know
what
those
what
those
needs
are
we
we
don't
know
if
you
all
don't
tell
us
right
and
I,
don't
just
mean
from
the
cabinet
level,
and
commissioner
level
I
mean
from
front
line
all
the
way
up
to
the
top.
E
The
people
that
are
doing
the
services
that
you
do
every
day
are
the
best
people
to
know
what
the
needs
are
and
what
the
the
the
pain
points
are.
So
I
appreciate
it
chairman.
Thank
you.
M
Preston,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
director
Sanders,
just
a
few
questions
actually
to
follow
up
on
what
some
of
what
Senator
Westerfield
mentioned
so
on
the
I
I
know
that
some
juvenile
supervision
is
limited
in
time
by
statut,
but
I
believe
and
I.
Didn't
look
it
up
while
I'm
sitting
here
but
I
believe
those
are
maximum
times
in
those
cases,
are
all
those
kids
supervised
for
that
entire
time
or
does
DJJ
have
discretion
to
end
earlier
than
that
time?
And
if
so,
how
common
is
that.
G
So
we
do
have
discretion
to
end
early
depending
on
we
develop
a
case
plan
and
we
work
on
that
case
plan
with
the
kid
and
if
they
success
they're
successful
in
completing
those
goals,
then
we
can
request
as
far
as
numbers.
I
wouldn't
have
that
available
as
how
many
that
we
request
early.
But
that
is
something
that
we
do
do.
G
Oration
to
the
court
and
if
they
object,
they
will
notify
us.
M
Okay,
does
DJJ
by
policy
have
a
a
minimum
age
that
it
serves.
M
I
G
M
Okay,
you
mentioned
that
there
are
all
these
different
levels
that
can
be
recommended
in
a
disposition:
Court
probation
community
service,
all
all
those
things
up
to
probation
to
DJJ
or
beyond
that
commitment.
M
Perhaps
let's
say
that
if
you,
if
a
court,
if,
if
your
workers's
recommendation
is
just
either
Court
probation
or
essentially
what
I
would
call
kind
of
go
and
send
no
more
probation
that
that
there
really
aren't
terms
but
the
we're
generally
watching
the
kid
and
the
court
at
DIS
position
says
no
I
want
this
kid
to
go
to
be
supervised
by
DJJ
and
they've.
You've
done
your
evaluation
or
assessment
they're
a
lowrisk
kid,
no
real
history,
but
this
is
something
that
the
court
just
kind
of
what
I
would
view
as
overreach
says.
M
No,
no!
No,
you
know
I
want
to
nip
this
in
the
bud.
I
want
I
want
to
keep
a
keep
an
eye
on
this
kid
now
in
I'm,
aware
in
the
adult
context
and
I
assume,
there's
some
science,
probably
in
the
juvenile
context,
but
on
the
adult
side,
there's
science
that
says
that
low-risk
people
who
really
don't
need
supervision,
if
you
put
them
on
supervision,
it
actually
makes
it
worse
that
that
that
it's
worse
outcomes,
I
think
that's
probably
also
true
in
juvenile.
So
does
your
do
your
workers?
How?
M
M
G
Not
going
to
go
against
a
court
order,
but
the
workers
should
be
able
to
voice
to
the
court
that
there's
you
know
there
other
options
available.
That
would
be
better
serve
this
kid.
If,
if
that
comes
back
to
you
know
the
judge,
saying
no,
it's
DJJ,
we
will
still
develop
a
case
plan
with
the
kid
there's,
always
something
that
we
could
help
improve
and
strengthen
the
kids
on
so
and
that's
what
we
would
focus
on.
M
All
right
last
question
I
have
is
about
your
workers
as
well.
This
is
related
to
the
salary,
but
not
necessarily
that
question.
What
do
for
someone
is
it
is,
is
the
position
called
a
youth
services
worker?
Is
that
the
front
line
juvenile.
M
Worker,
what
what
are
the
minimum
requirements
for
a
juvenile
for
an
entry-level
juvenile
service
is
a
college
degree
required.
G
For
the
lower
level
bachelor's
degree
and
then
for
the
clinician,
a
masters
and
then
if
they
have
experience
a
bachelor's
degree
would
be
accepted.
M
Degree-
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
in
any
particular
field.
G
Do
it
has
to
be
in
a
related
U,
Social,
Service
field.
A
Thank
you
is
there
any
more
discussion?
If
not,
we
appreciate
your
Friday
afternoon
with
us
and
thank
you
very
much.
Our
next
item
is
Juvenile
Justice,
System
contact
points
and
we
have
judge
Jessica
Mo
from
the
30th
Judicial
District
Judge
Kimberly
shoemate
from
the
9th
Judicial
District,
and
also
Ashley
Clark
and
Jason
Reynolds,
with
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
and
maybe
okay,
our
judges
are
on
Zoom,
so
I
only
counted
two
folks.
B
A
I
A
A
M
O
You
all
right
good
afternoon
and
thank
you
for
inviting
us
to
speak,
we're
happy
to
be
here
on
a
Friday.
My
name
is
Ashley
Clark
and
I'm,
the
the
executive
officer
for
family
and
juvenile
Services
in
my
department.
We
oversee
the
court
designated
worker
program
and
also
our
child.
Well,
welfare
initiatives.
I
Shate
good
afternoon,
I'm
judge
shate
from
Harden
District
Court
I've
been
practicing
in
the
juvenile
court
for
more
than
26
years
from
the
bench
and
I
am
glad
to
be
here
to
assist
with
questions
and
I'll
yield
the
floor
to
our
folks
from
AOC
and
their
present.
P
P
About
that
there
always
has
to
be
one
every
Zoom
meeting
right
good
afternoon
again:
judge
Jessica
Moore,
current
chief
judge
of
Jefferson
District
Court
I,
did
preside
in
juvenile
court
here
in
Jefferson
for
about
three
years
before
coming
Chief
happy
to
also
answer
questions.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
today.
O
All
right
and
we
will
get
started
so
we
have
provided
to
you
all
a
flow
chart
that
is
colorcoded
that
identifies
at
which
contact
Point
without
the
system
is
agencies
involved,
and
so
there
are
lots
of
nuances
that
can
occur
depending
on
the
individual
child.
So
always
keep
that
in
mind,
but
we
will
try
to
stick
to
it
as
we
walk
through
the
presentation
and
I
refer
back
as
a
guide.
If
you
have
questions
so
first
we're
going
to
look
at
the
duties
of
a
court
designated
worker.
O
We
here
at
the
AOC
and
DJJ
we
love
to
use
acronyms,
so
I
will
really
try
not
to
to
do
that
to
you
guys,
but
redirect
me
please.
If
I
do
so,
statute
really
outlines
what
court
designated
workers
do
they
process
all
complaints
that
come
in?
They
use
a
directive
criteria.
That's
going
to
outline
who
is
eligible
for
informal
diversion
programming,
which
that
is
pre
court
process
and
who
has
to
go
into
the
formal
court
system.
O
Youth
are
eligible
for
three
misdemeanor
or
status
offenses
for
diversion
and
then
the
possibility
of
one
felony
diversion
with
approval
from
the
county
attorney
as
long
as
the
felony
does
not
involve
the
commission
of
a
sexual
or
the
use
of
a
deadly
weapon.
So
there
are
two
types
of
offenses
within
the
state.
There
are
status
offenses,
which
you
can
only
be
charged
with,
while
you're
under
the
age
of
18,
so
example
habitual,
treny,
habitual
runaway,
beyond
control
of
school
and
beyond
control
of
parent,
for
example.
O
Those
public
offenses
are
anything
you
or
I
could
be
charged
with.
Complaints
are
verified
statement.
We
do
not
assign
charges
as
Court
designated
workers.
So
if
a
victim
comes
in
to
file
a
complaint,
the
court
designated
worker
would
meet
with
that
victim.
Do
that
verified
statement
the
who?
What
when,
where
how
then
it
would
be
taken
to
the
prosecutor
for
assignment
of
the
charge
complaints
can
be
filed
at
any
point?
So
again,
the
youth
does
not
have
to
be
in
custody
or
they
can
be
in
custody.
O
So
there's
lots
of
different
avenues
that
can
occur
for
a
complaint
to
be
filed
for
all
public
offense
cases
that
come
in
in
front
of
a
court
designated
worker.
They
are
then
taken
to
the
prosecutor.
So,
regardless
who
files
the
complaint,
the
public
offense
goes
to
the
county
attorney
for
a
reasonable
grounds
review.
Several
things
can
happen
during
that
reasonable
grounds
review.
The
prosecutor
can
dismiss
the
complaint
at
that
time
or
they
can
give
reable
grounds
to
move
forward.
O
They
could
also
issue
a
custody
order,
an
order
to
take
or
not
request
a
custody
order
that
would
be
presented
to
a
judge
for
a
youth
to
be
picked
up
at
that
time.
It
is
important
to
note
that
status
offenses
do
not
require
a
reasonable
grounds
review.
So,
at
the
time
that
the
worker
takes
that
complaint,
they
can
go
ahead
and
process
without
sending
to
the.
O
Prosecutor,
so
how
how
many
complaints
are
we
talking
about?
In
a
year
we
went
back
to
2019
so
that
you
could
really
see
how
we
was
were
impacted
during
the
pandemic
and
it
it
did
significantly
drop
during
that
time.
But,
as
you
can
see,
from
2023
fiscal
year,
we
have
rebounded
and
are
back
to
prepandemic
levels.
So
in
2020
fiscal
year
2023
we
had
13525
complaints
filed
for
public
and
3,6
624
for
status.
O
Complaints.
This
next
slide
is
complaints
filed
by
year
and
complaint
type.
So
again,
apiant
can
be
an
array
of
people,
so
you
can
see
that
law,
enforcement
and
school
resource
officers
really
Drive
our
complaints
at
73%
school
officials,
the
general
public
also
Trend
in
at
very
low
rates,
177%
4%,
but
that
gives
you
also
the
trends
over
time
from
2018
to.
O
2023
we
wanted
to
break
this
down
for
complaints
filed
by
year
in
school
relation,
so
how
many
complaints
that
are
filed
are
School
related,
so
it
could
be
that
the
the
principal
of
the
school,
for
example,
could
file
a
complaint
against
a
youth,
because
the
incident
occurred
on
school
property.
Also,
law
enforcement,
the
school
resource
officer,
could
file
the
complaint
because
the
incident
occurred
at
school,
and
so
we
track
all
of
those
things
to
see.
Where
are
incidents
occurring
and
as
you
can
see,
51%
of
those
are
School
related.
O
M
Let
go
ahead
just
on
that
last
slide.
51%
for
school
is
it's
it's
continuing
an
upward,
Trend
and
and
is
higher.
Do
you
have
a
theory
as
to
why
why
that
is
higher
now
than
it
has
been.
O
Things
that
occur
at
school
have
always
occurred
at
school
and
dealt
with
at
an
administrative
level
versus
a
juvenile
justice
level,
and
so
we
see
that
in
some
school
districts
they
file
even
on
a
first
offense
on
on
an
incident
that
that
occurs.
That
would
have
historically
been
dealt
with
in
the
house
is
what
I
would.
L
Like
I
I,
don't
have
anything
to
add
to
this
time.
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
some
of
the
data.
Our
school
safety
data
should
be
released
and
submitted
to
the
legislature,
I
think
by
November,
if
not
earlier.
Okay,
thank
you.
O
So
the
preliminary
intake
we
we
call
it
the
pi
inhouse
just
for
short
happens
in
both
non-
custody
situations
and
when
youth
are
in
the
custody
of
law
enforcement.
The
big
difference
to
take
away
is
when
youth
are
in
custody,
that
reasonable
grounds
review
is
not
occurring
with
the
prosecutor
at
that
time,
but
the
it's
very
similar
we're
Gathering
that
demographic
information
of
the
youth
we
are
administering
the
global
appraisal
of
individual
needs
short
screener,
so
that
is
looking
at
homicidal,
suicidal
ideations,
internal
and
external
disorders.
O
It
is
a
crime
and
violence,
screener
and
then
off
also
a
substance
use
disorder.
So
that's
identifying
those
needs
that
needs
assessment.
That
brater
was
just
asking
about.
Did
anybody
screen
for
we're
doing
that
screener
on
every
youth,
regardless,
if
they're
in
custody
or
not?
O
We
also
do
a
human
trafficking
screener
and
if
they
are
flagged
as
possible
human
trafficking,
we
have
a
protocol
in
place
where
re
reach
out
to
the
cabinet
and
they
have
a
response
and
responsibilities
and
protocols
in
place
where
they
respond
to
do
further
assessment
after
that
in
custody.
I
don't
want
to
drive
too
much
on
this.
O
We
make
that
judge
call
with
with
least
restrictive
options
and
I'm
going
to
kick
it
to
them,
but
in
just
a
couple
slides
on
what
happens
there,
so
those
youth
that
are
eligible
for
pre-c
court
diversion
in
the
court
designated
worker
program.
It's
important
to
note
that
it's
a
voluntary
program
youth
can
choose
to
go
to
court
at
any
time
throughout
the
period.
So
some
youth
immediately
will
say
they
don't
want
to
go
to.
O
They
would
rather
go
to
court
than
do
diversion,
but
it
will
last
up
to
six
months
and
so
that
cor
designated
worker
can
follow
that
kid
and
work
with
that
kid
for
a
six-month
period.
It
takes
one
person
to
make
the
difference
in
the
life
of
a
child.
Not
always
is
it
the
court
designated
worker,
but
we
are
referring
out
to
the
community
supports
and
our
partners.
O
We
don't
deliver
Services,
but
we're
connecting
them
to
resources
at
the
local
level
in
order
for
them
to
build
a
pro-social
life
to
have
activities
that
are
pro-social
and
you
know
get
rid
of
whatever
those
criminogenic
needs.
Those
crimer
producing
risk
factors
that
our
youth
are
facing
day
in
and
day.
O
Out
this
is
a
look
at
diversion
eligible
complaints
that
were
diverted
Statewide
by
complaint
types,
so
both
public
and
status
when
you
look
at
stat
status,
complaints
in
fiscal
year,
23,
88%
and
then
64%,
but
you
can
also
see
that
trend
has
been
fairly
steady
over
times
over
the.
O
So
when
youth
are
taken
into
custody
by
a
law
enforcement
officer,
if
they're
unable
to
release
a
youth
they're
going
to
contact
a
CDW
regardless
of
what
the
offense
is
that
the
youth
is
charged
with
when
we
respond,
we
are
going
to
administer
A
detention
screening
instrument,
it's
a
scoring
rubric
based
upon
the
age,
the
the
actual
charge
that
the
youth
has
currently
in
Prior
record
score.
The
youth
into
a
low,
moderate
or
high
category.
O
O
Call
so
when
can
a
law
enforcement
officer
actually
take
a
youth
into
custody
and
I
won't
go
through
all
of
these,
but
this
is
what
statute
tells
us
the
reasons
why
a
law
enforcement
officer
can
take
a
kid
into
custody
and
then
contact
a.
O
Cdw
so
securing
least
restrictive
placement
options
and
I
believe
it
was
the
last
meeting,
but
forgive
me
if
I'm
wrong.
It
may
be
the
the
prior
meeting
before
that,
but
they,
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice,
spoke
about
the
D,
those
detention,
alternative
coordinators
and
Shout
out
to
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice,
because
when
I
worked
on
the
front
lines,
this
was
not
an
option
15
years
ago
for
me,
and
so
we
have
moved
mountains
to
have
this
as
an
option.
O
So
when
a
court
designated
worker
responds
in
that
custody
situation
and
they
administer
that
DSi,
that
detention
screening
instrument
tool
and
that
youth
is
identified
as
low
or
moderate.
We
are
contacting
that
coordinator
that
detention
alternative
coordinator
to
say
this
is
what
I've
got.
This
is
what
I'm
out
with
what
can
I
do?
O
Do
we
have
any
options
here
prior
to
making
that
judge
call,
and
so
that
has
been
very
successful
for
us
and
having
additional
options
to
present
to
the
Judiciary
and
this
just
kind
of
outlines
how
we
do
that
if
the
judge
orders
it
and
it's
not
ever
the
court
designated
workers,
saying
okay,
you
can
be
released
to
this
Al
alternative
to
detention.
It
is
a
judge
making
that
order
and
determining
when
they
would
be
released
from.
O
It
so
breaking
down
complaints
by
intake
action,
so
this
is
looking
at
the
youth
that
are
detained
on
the
very
front
end
of
taking
that
complaint,
a
youth
being
released
through
the
on
call
process,
and
so
that
means
that
a
court
designated
worker
has
responded
and
either
was
able
to
execute
the
release
on
the
front
end
without
a
judge
call
or
making
the
judge
call
and
they've
authorized
release.
O
O
All
so
when
we
dive
into
youth
not
taken
into
custody,
who
has
the
discretion
at
that
time?
And
that's
going
to
be
your
Law
Enforcement
Officers?
They
are
going
to
do
a
citation
release,
a
youth
and
complete
a
promise
to
appear
with
whoever
they're,
releasing
the
youth
to
to
appear
in
front
of
the
court
designated
worker.
O
They're
then
going
to
bring
us
that
citation
that
they
released
the
youth
on
and
we
would
process
and
go
through
all
those
steps
that
I've
already
been
through
with
the
the
prosecutor,
and
then
we
just
give
give
an
example
of
what.
Why
would
a
kid
not
be
taken
into
custody?
And
you
can
see
what
our
numbers
are
there
for
those
youth
released
by
police
officers?
O
They
have
complete
discretion
at
that
time,
whether
they're
going
to
engage
the
court
designated
worker
or
not
I,
don't
believe
we
have
anyone
in
the
room
that
I
know.
We
have
some
with
experience,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe.
I
saw
anyone
here
with
the
law
enforcement,
but
they
they
could
give
more
perspective
on
why
they
would
not
call
a
CDW,
but
we
did
provide
an
example
of
of
something
that
we
see
quite
often
is
they're
working
a
case.
O
The
youth
was
very
cooperative
and
then
they
released
on
the
front
end
and
then
brought
the
paperwork
to
the
court
designated
worker
and
then
pick
up
the
process
as
normal.
The
child's
released
through
the
on
call
process.
O
Who
has
the
discretion
at
this
point,
and
that's
the
judge
and
under
very
Li
very
limited
circumstances.
A
court
designated
worker
can
execute
a
release
without
a
judge
call,
but
you
can
see
those
all
those
have
to
be
met.
The
youth
has
to
score
low
low
on
that
detention.
O
Screening
instrument,
the
the
parent
or
Guardian
has
to
be
willing
to
pick
them
up,
and
the
offense
does
not
involve
domestic
violence
or
the
possession
of
a
firearm,
but
also
we
list
to
our
law
enforcement
partners
and,
if
they're
requesting
that
we
make
a
judge,
call,
we
always
make
the
judge
call
and
then
I
will
kick
it
briefly
to
the
judges
to
take
what
they
take
into
consideration.
When
they're
getting
those
phone
calls
from
Court
designated.
I
Sure
I
would
say
that
we
get
called
out
all
kinds
of
day
and
night,
and
so
it's
imperative
that
we
have
well
informed
Court
designated
workers.
What
release
options
might
be
in
our
region
and
I
would
give
a
shout
out
to
DJJ
and
their
work
with
the
juvenile
detention
Alternatives
initiative,
the
jdai.
They
have
been
writing
some
wonderful
local
contracts
that
have
increased
the
number
of
out
of
custody
placement
options
for
us
as
judges,
and
they
have
also
been
working
to
create
matrices
to
share
with
the
CDW.
I
So
it's
an
excellent
chance
for
them
to
create
Community
Resources
and
share
those
with
our
CDW,
so
that
we
can
give
those
to
judges
as
release
options,
and
that
is
a
new
program.
Those
matrices
are
just
coming
out
in
the
last
few
weeks
and
in
the
coming
weeks
to
be
of
actual
benefit
when
we
get
call
out.
So
those
are
important.
So
we
look
at
what
is
a
danger?
Is
there
a
danger
to
an
individual?
Is
there
a
danger
to
community
at
large
I'm
always
looking
to
see?
Is
there
a
weapon
involved?
I
Is
there
some
physical
harm?
That's
been
involved
or
that's,
been
specifically
threatened
because
we're
not
looking
to
put
kids
in
custody,
but
we're
looking
to
find
reasons
why
they
can
be
out
of
custody
or
what
the
danger
is
that
might
keep
them
in
place.
Sometimes
those
issues
are
related
to
no
release
options
available
because
of
domestic
violence
cases,
and
we
have
individuals
where
we
say
well.
This
is
a
child
that
only
has
issues
when
they're
with
this
particular
parent,
but
no
other
issues
in
the
community.
They
don't
have
issues
at
school.
I
O
Thank
you,
judge
shate
and
at
Reynolds
had
pulled
up
just
what
the
trend
has
looked
like
on
youth
that
have
went
to
secure
detention.
Yes,
there
you
go,
and
it
kind
of
gives
you
a
historical
perspective
to
just
for
your
reference.
So
when
we
talk
about
complaints
that
are
referred
to
court,
it
can
be
for
a
multitude
of
reasons,
so
the
youth
may
not
have
been
eligible
for
diversion
based
on
the
set
criteria
discussed.
The
youth
can
again
request
court
because
pre-
Court
diversion
is
voluntary.
O
They
could
fail
to
appe
here,
so
we
have
made
phone
calls.
We've
tried
to
find
this
youth
to
get
them
in
to
meet
with
the
court
designated
worker
program,
and
we
have
been
unsuccessful
in
our
efforts
and
then
also
the
youth
can
be
unsuccessful
in
diversion,
so
they
are
not
making
progress
working
with
our
office.
O
The
judge
can
override
cases
that
are
eligible
for
diversion,
so
they
could
be
in
custody
and
not
had
a
would
still
be
eligible
for
diversion,
but
because
they
went
to
secure
detention,
they
have
to
go
in
front
of
the
judge
and
then,
during
that
reasonable
grounds
review.
The
prosecutor
can
also
send
the
case
to
court,
even
though
their
diversion
eligible,
so
in
Senate
Bill
200.
It
did
create
and
establish
mandatory
diversion
for
those
firsttime
misdemeanor
status
offenses
for
one
diversion,
but
anything
after
that.
O
The
prosecutor
can
override
all
right,
and
that
leads
us
to
our
judges.
Just
to
give
a
highlight
of
what
occurs
at
that
initial
court
hearing
process
adjudication
and.
P
To
start
this
time,
certainly
I
can
thank
you
just
to
give
an
overview,
so
we
can
help
explain
the
process,
so
initial
hearing
would
be
when
the
youth
is
presented
to
the
court
if
they're
coming
from
detention
or
they've
been
cited
and
released
in
coming
before
the
court
for
arraignment,
essentially
informed
of
their
rights
and
what
they've
been
charged
with
and
then
we'll
have
a
determination
as
to
their
detention
status,
so
that
can
be
Revisited
upon
their
first
appearance
before
the
judge,
so
typically
at
least
in
Jefferson.
P
For
us,
the
prosecutor
and
the
appointed
Council
or
private
attorney
they're
conferencing.
We
have
a
lot
of
different
service
providers
in
the
juvenile
court.
We
they're
identifying
speaking
with
the
parents
outside
speaking
with
those
daak
workers
about
you
know,
if
there's
a
mental
health
issue.
P
If
there
is,
you
know,
an
educational
barrier,
Transportation
barrier,
all
those
types
of
things
to
try
to
immediately
identify
what
services
need
to
be
put
in
place
as
a
condition
of
them
either
remaining
out
of
detention
or
or
it
being
argued
as
to
why
they
need
to
be
in
detention.
If
they
present
a
danger
to
themsel
the
community
to
other
people,
things
of
that
nature,
then
they
begin
going
through
the
court
process
so
as
as
the
youth
are
proceeding
through
court
and
their
pre-trial
conferencing.
P
So
you
know
typically
a
30
to
45
day
pass
date
where
they're
may
be
having
Services
utilized
or
participating
in
some
type
of
program,
leading
up
to
whether
or
not
they
would
have
an
admission
of
guilt.
The
terminology
out
of
juvenile
court,
so
a
guilty
plea
if
they
were
an
adult
Court,
would
be
an
admission
of
guilt
if,
if
they
have
an
admission
of
guilt,
there
is
that
adjudication
hearing,
and
then
disposition
is
what
would
be
referred
to
as
the
sentencing
for
an
adult.
P
So
what
the
orders
will
be
once
they
have
resolved
the
case,
whether
admitting
guilt
or
proceeding
to
trial
and
what
it
looks
like
after
that
judge
schum
did
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that
on
the
process.
I
So
we
are
very
strict
in
our
Kentucky
courts
to
make
sure
the
juveniles
are
represented
by
Council
so
that
they
understand
their
rights
and
have
an
attorney
to
represent
them
and
not
just
a
parent
by
their
side
and
then
a
parent,
a
guardian
or,
if
they're
committed
to
the
cabinet
or
DJJ,
that
that
committed
agency
is
always
going
to
be
present
at
every
process.
So
some
of
those
hearings
across
the
state
are
physically
in
person.
I
P
Okay,
so
moving
on
to
the
next
Slide,
the
anticipated
impacts
of
House
Bill,
three
I
know:
we've
had
several
conversations
and
I
think
the
courts,
just
the
judges
would
like
to
reiterate.
You
know
on
those
first
appearances
when
the
youth
are
very
first
coming
before
the
court,
even
before
that,
when
the
on
call
judges
are
presented
with
the
information
from
the
court
designated
worker,
we
are
really
getting
access
to
the
information
that
we
need
to
make
that
judgment.
Call
if
detention
is
the
ultimate
least
restrictive,
alternative
you.
P
All
of
that
really
is
so
important
for
the
judge
to
be
presented
with
to
make
a
truly
educated
decision
and
I
think
the
statistics
show
that
the
judges
across
the
state
are
making
those
difficult
decisions
when
necessary
and
detaining
when
it
is
necessary
or
otherwise
having
access
to
these
least
restrictive
Alternatives.
P
So
with
this
law
going
into
effect
in
July
of
24,
judges
essentially
would
not,
even
even
if
they
were
presented
with
that
information,
it
wouldn't
make
a
difference
because,
as
it
is
proposed,
it
will
automatically
require
that
a
youth
be
detained.
Even
you
know,
with
other
options,
with
less
restrictive
options,
so
something
to
keep
in
mind
on
that
some
of
the
key
things
looking
at
age
age
that
would
require
one
of
our
youngest
youthful
offenders,
a
13-year-old
to
automatically
go
into
detention.
P
When
we
know
that's
a
youth
that
has
who
knows
how
many
other
barriers
or
things
going
on.
In
addition
to
becoming
Justice
involved
disabilities,
we
wouldn't
it
would
just
be
a
blanket.
They
have
to
go
into
detention,
and
we
know
there
are
issues
with
the
detention
facilities
and
their
ability
to
accommodate
some
higher
level
need
safety
concerns
for
youth,
particularly
in
Jefferson.
P
You
know,
starting
into
the
justice
system,
all
of
that.
Basically,
this
would
not
account
for
to
allow
us
to
consider
in
making
that
detention
decision
it
gives.
You
excuse
me.
The
statistic
on
current
law
enforcement
presents
40%
of
violent
offenses
to
the
CDW.
Well,
you
all
can
read
that
that's
okay
processing,
the
on
call
judges
then
detain
approximately
90%
of
the
violent
offenses
complaints
that
are
presented
to
them.
P
So
again,
just
to
reiterate
I
think
our
judges
across
the
state
really
are
taking
very
thoughtful
account
of
the
information
that's
being
presented
and
making
the
detention
decision
that
really
the
anticipated
impact
of
just
taking
away
that
ability
to
get
this
information
will
cause
a
huge
detriment
going
on
to
the
other.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Thank
you,
Ashley,
the
you
know
increase
in
detention.
We've
been
talking
about
that.
P
If
you
looked
back
and
you
can
look
back
at
the
our
numbers
to
date
of
this
fiscal
year,
of
how
many
we've
already
detained
on
and
then
in
effect
with
the
new
implementation,
there
would
be
a
31
31%
increase
in
detentions.
P
So
that
is
something
to
consider
when
looking
at
our
staffing,
the
staffing
issues
across
the
state
with
DJJ
with
the
you
know,
status
of
the
detention
centers
in
general
across
the
state
we
have
to
prepare
for
what
the
proposed
impact
would
be
of
a
a
pretty
large
increase
of
detained,
Youth
and
then
again,
that's
from
across
the
state.
So
that's
an
impact
across
youth
of
111
counties.
P
So
something
also
to
consider,
and
then
the
youth
affected
by
the
bill
would
be
younger
than
those
already
detained
for
the
statute,
so
22%
being
under
the
age
of
14
in
fiscal
year,
23.
So
again,
back
to
that
preliminary
information
that
judges
are
presented
with
now
knowing
age
makes
a
a
big
difference.
I
know
when
I'm
presented
with
a
youth,
that's
being
detained
by
an
officer.
P
It
makes
a
difference
to
me
to
hear
if
it's
a
13year
old,
you
know,
or
an
11y
old
versus
a
17,
eight,
almost
18y
old,
so
just
another
another
factor
to
consider
here
when
looking
at
the
anticipated
impact
judge
shate,
you
jump
in
at
any
time
on
this
I
would
just
say
that.
I
There
is
a
concern
about
the
difference
between
juveniles
and
adults
when
we're
working
with
our
adults
and
our
pre-trial
release
system.
The
push
has
been
for
the
last
few
years
to
release
as
many
as
we
can
taking
into
account
any
danger
that
there
might
be,
and
it
reads
as
though
the
new
law
will
do
just
the
opposite,
with
juvenile
they'll
be
detaining
rather
and
rather
than
giving
the
option
and
also
acknowledging
that
it.
I
And
so
the
way
it's
written
now,
based
upon
the
history
of
the
last
FY
cycle,
you've
seen
those
numbers
and
and
our
numbers
are
going
to
go
up
if
the
bill
stays
just
like
it
is,
and
the
offenses
from
last
year
are
the
same
offenses.
If
kids
in
our
community
are
committing
the
same
type
of
offenses,
those
numbers
are
going
to
go
up.
I
So
when
you
see
the
statistics-
and
they
jump
significantly-
that
that's
what
it
says
is
going
to
happen,
that's
where
those
projections
are
going
to
be
and
we're
going
to
be
at
a
spot
where
we've
been
creating
these
Alternatives
and
we've
been
creating
those
opportunities,
but
our
hands
will
be
tied
with
not
using
them.
We
just
need
to
know
that.
That's
the
way
it's
going
to
play
out
from
a
genda's.
A
A
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
what
what
is
the
overlap,
if
any,
between
those
areas
of
the
state
that
have
a
family
court
is?
Is
there
any
overlap
in
in
these
between
district
court
and
family
court
and
I?
Know
representative
brater
had
a
question
earlier
about
where
those
overlap,
if.
P
Anywhere
so
the
status
offenses
would
be
handled
in
in
Jefferson.
The
status
offenders
are
handled
in
Family
Court,
the
public
offenses
are
handled
in
the
juvenile
court,
so
juvenile
court
specifically
is
18
and
under
charged
with
criminal
offenses,
where
those
status
offenses
are
handled
by
our
family
court
and
judge
schumate
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
do
that
differently,
just
because
I
know
you're
a
little
bit
smaller
jurisdiction
yeah.
We.
I
Do
have
family
court
I
would
say
there
is
one
statutory
difference
where
if
an
individual
is
already
pending
a
delinquent
charge
and
then
gets
a
status
offense,
then
the
status
offense
comes
to
the
delinquent
judge.
That's
already
handling
that
child,
but
otherwi
wise.
It
is
the
status
offenses.
It's
your
status
of
being
a
juvenile
that
brought
you
to
court.
I
It
goes
to
family
court,
but
there
are
still
several
counties
in
our
state
that
don't
have
family
courts,
and
so
then,
at
that
circumstance,
then
the
the
delinquent
the
status,
the
dependency
neglected,
abuse
all
come
in
front
of
the
District
Judge,
because
there
is
no
family
court
to
send
them
to.
If.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
thinking
back
on
this
now
dur
during
the
session.
I
I
think.
The
reason
we
put
this
implementation
off
a
year
was
to
have
a
chance
to
look
at
it
more
closely
on
what
the
the
effects
would
be.
So
it's
things
are
kind
of
coming
back
to
me
on
this
of
the
458
complaints
did.
Did
you
all
dig
into
that
any
deeper
on
maybe
classifying
why
these
458
were
not
sent
to
detention
to
kind
of,
and
if
you
haven't
I,
would
ask
that
you
please
do
so.
F
I
think,
there's
probably
a
lot
of
value
in
that
information
and
how
many
of
these
kids
were
classified
as
high
risk,
low
risk
and
I
I'm
assuming
well
I.
Don't
want
to
make
any
assumptions
on
this
I
don't
know,
but
it
it
would
be
good
to
know
that
what
were
the
offenses
you
you
know
on
once.
They
were
classified
as
as
risk
level.
F
What
what
were
those
risk
levels
and
when,
when
a
judge
decides
that,
is
there
a
specific
reason,
given
that's
documented
as
why
as
to
why
the
particular
child
was
not.
I
F
And
I
I
guess
the
idea
is
to
get
a
clear
picture
of
of
the
458
that
would
kind
of
be
gray
area.
What
are
we
looking
at?
Who
are
those
kids
and
and
I?
Think
that
would
help
us
to
make
a
you
know
and
I
know
it's
a
a
small
set
of
data
but
kind
of
help
us
understand
thinking
through
the
process.
What
are
the
advantages?
Dis,
disadvantages
of
keeping
those
provisions
of
of
House
Bill
3
U
enacted?
Does
that
make
sense.
D
H
Always
you
know
creative
scheduling
but
I,
appreciate
y'all
being
here
and
it's
someone
who
actually
still
practices
some
juvenile
law
in
jurisdictions
that
have
family
court
and
do
not
I
think
the
inconsistency
there
and
I
love
my
judges
and
I
love
discretion.
That's
why
I
voted.
No,
so
I,
I
I
think
that
you
know
that
is
just
something
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
deal
with
until
we
get
family
courts
in
those
jurisdictions,
because
there
are
many
counties
in
Northeast,
Kentucky,
I,
I,
just
left.
H
You
know
in
green
up
boy,
I
mean
some
of
the
larger
hubs
where
these
things
occur,
and
you
know
we're
right
across
the
river
from
Huntington
West
Virginia
I
mean
we
and-
and
we
don't
have
a
family
court
judge
there.
So
there's
some
challenges,
I
think
for
not
only
our
judges,
Jun
all
workers
and
everybody
involved,
I
like
discretion,
I
like
police
discretion,
I
like
judicial
discretion.
That's
why
we
elect
our
judges
and
their
accountability.
Things
that
are
in
place
and
I
have
a
facility
in
in
my
district.
H
So
so,
but
but
some
of
these
kids
don't
need
to
be
detained
so,
and
that's
just
my
experience,
whether
it's
age,
mental
capacity
they've
been
bullied,
there's
just
some
judgment
calls
that
need
to
be
made
in
every
case
that
I
don't
like
automatic
anything
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
that
and
like
to
Senator
Carrol's
issue
or
question.
You
know
it
it's
deferred,
but
this
budget
is
not
going
to
be
deferred.
H
We
are
going
to
enter
into
this
session
with
doing
a
budget
for
all
Justice
and
we're
looking
at
detentions
going
up
a
third
and
whether
we
change
it
or
not.
We've
got
to
still
accommodate
for
that
potentiality,
regardless
of
why
or
who
they
are
and
I
think
that's
the
most
urgent
other
than
the
kids
being.
First,
that's
the
urgency,
but
there's
also
a
a
budget
urgency
here
that
we
have
to
address.
H
If
we're
going
to
proceed
with
automatic
detention
and
then
not
only
that
I
think
there's
going
to
be
an
additional
service
need,
like
Staffing
was
mentioned,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
need
more
programmatic
needs.
If
those
younger
children
are
in
there
and
more
segregation
needs
to
keep
those
populations
against,
and
that's
just
from
one
practitioners
perspective.
But
thank.
D
I
think
this
is
probably
a
gathering
of
the
the
people
that
do
not
want
to
put
violent
people
behind
any
in
any
custody
at
all,
is
all
gathered
in
this
room
because
I
go
all
over
the
state
and
I
tell
them
about
House
Bill
three,
and
they
sometimes
they
give
me
a
standing
ovation
because
crime
juvenile
crime
is
on
the
uptick
and
that's
why
I
never
wanted
to
even
join
a
committee
like
this.
D
If
you
ask
me
two
or
three
years
ago,
I
was
kind
of
brought
into
it
because
of
all
the
juvenile
crime
that
was
happening
in
Fern,
Creek,
Kentucky
and
once
I
put
a
microscope
to
it
or
a
magnifying
glass
I
found
out
that
many
of
these
kids
did
not
belong
out
on
the
streets
and
they
had
been.
They
had
been
through
the
system
and.
D
Released
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
understand
why
letting
letting
people
that
commit
crimes,
even
if
they
are
17
14
years
old
back
out
on
the
street,
is
a
good
thing.
I'm,
not
reaching
you
guys.
The
the
the
bridge
is
too
far
for
me
to
understand
where
you're
coming
from
sure
we
have
budget
concerns
and
for
one
I'm
going
to
try
to
get
more
money
into
the
Juvenile
Justice
System.
Just
like
we
did
last
session.
We
opened
up
the
budget,
but
I
don't
understand
where
the
concern
is.
D
We
want
violent
people
and
none
of
you
guys
in
this
presentation,
when
you're
discussing
House
Bill
three
mentioned
that
this
is
people
that
are
accused
of
violent
crimes.
The
violent
statute
I
mean
it's
murder,
manslaughter
sexual
abuse,
in
the
first
degree,
which
one
of
those
would
you
choose
to
let
back
out
on
the
street
if
that
happened
to
a
loved
one.
D
So
I'm,
coming
from
the
point
of
view
that
I
didn't
even
want
to
do
a
deep
dive
into
Juvenile,
Justice
I
was
brought
into
it
because
I
can
give
you
some
cases
in
my
district
that
are
pretty
appalling
and
I've
heard.
Juvenile
crime
is
going
down
and
that's
a
good
thing,
and
maybe
maybe
there
will
be
a
time
where
we
could
rearrange
House,
Bill
3,
but
I.
Don't
think
it's
right
now.
F
And
representative
brater
I,
don't
I,
don't
necessarily
disagree
with
you,
but
it's
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
these
offenses
and
look
at
the
circumstances
and
I
I.
Don't
think
it's
really
fair
to
to
make
an
overall
statement
without
really
looking
into
the
details
of
each
one
of
these
offenses
and
and
and
see
what
they
are.
Look
maybe
dig
deeper.
Look
at
the
the
history
on
some
of
these
kids
but
I.
Think
that's
important
and
that's
I
don't
disagree.
F
We
don't
want
to
put
we
don't
we
don't
want
to
put
the
public
at
risk
by
releasing
anyone
and
I
agree
with
you
completely
on
that,
but
but
I
think
we
need
to
look
and
and
see
I
mean
if
it's.
If,
if
that
is
the
case,
the
records
will
show
clearly
when
we
look
at
these
get
the
details
on
these
kids
that
were
not
detained,
I
mean
that
I
think
there's
the
answer
and
I
think
that's
that's
the
guidance
we
use
to
take
the
next
step.
D
Well,
if
I,
if
you
guys
remember
it,
was
the
city
of
Louisville
under
the
fiser
administration
and
the
Greenberg
Administration
as
they
were
coming
in
that
were
trying
to
help
me
get
this
passed
because
they
said
these
kids
are
released
before
they
can
even
even
give
services
that
the
City
offers.
Now
that's
their
words.
That's
not
my
words.
D
D
A
O
Yes,
the
the
majority
of
them,
the
Court
designated
worker,
was
not
contacted
on
at
all,
and
so
the
discretion
had
fallen
with
law
enforcement.
D
Now
let
me
interrupt
there
a
minute
if
you
don't
mind:
Mr,
chairman
I
I've
heard
from
many
police
officers.
That
said,
it
would
be
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
because
that's
when
a
lot
of
violent
crimes
are
committed
and
a
CW,
a
CDW
couldn't
be
there
till
the
next
morning
and
they
had
no
other
than
sat
there
and
babysit
with
hand
handcuffs
on
the
the
criminal,
the
child,
whatever
I
hate,
using
that
word
criminal
and
child
together.
But
that's
what
we're
talking
about.
They
had
to
release
that
child.
I
D
O
E
Westerfield,
thank
you.
Chairman
I
respectfully,
do
disagree
with
my
colle
representative
brater.
Here's
the
bottom
line,
putting
kids
even
the
kids
with
those
most
violent
charges
in
detention,
makes
them
better
criminals.
I
mean
that's
just
it
it's
easier
to
lock
them
up.
It's
easier
sounds
better
I!
Don't
doubt
that
you've
gotten
standing
ovations,
I,
don't
doubt
I
would
either
if
I
talked
about
doing
that,
because
people
want
the
people
they're,
afraid
of
to
be
locked
up,
but
there're
still
still
children.
E
You
know
when
I
first
heard
the
idea
of
adolescent
brain
development,
I
thought
that
was
sort
of
hokey
I
knew
I
thought.
Looking
back
on
my
time
as
a
young
adult
and
just
before,
I
became
an
adult
I'd
like
to
think
I
knew
right
from
wrong
and
that
I
could
make
good
decisions.
I
didn't
get
into
a
bunch
of
trouble,
and
so
I
thought
it
was
a
little
silly,
but
I've
seen
the
I've
seen
the
experts
talk
about
it.
I've
seen
the
experts
show
not
from
a
partisan
not
from
a
policy
standpoint
at
all.
E
Here's
what
your
brain
does
when
you're
this
age,
here's
how
it
processes,
risk
and
consequence
reward.
Here's
at
this
age,
what
kind
of
influence
peer
pressure
can
have
over
your
decision,
making
I've
heard
Dr
Beth
Kaufman
talk
about
that
repeatedly
and
she's
the
expert
on
Earth
on
this
subject
matter.
I've!
Never
once
heard
her
talk
about
anything
partisan
at
all.
She
just
talks
about
what
the
brain
scans
show.
What
the
bottom
line
is
that
a
child
is
a
child,
even
the
one.
That's
so
close
to
being
an
adult.
E
E
It's
it's
uncomfortable,
even
but
I
know
that
it
can
work
and
I.
Think
I.
I
know
this.
This
Council
has
heard
me
talk
about
it
before
the
Roa
facility
up
in
Chelsea
Massachusetts,
only
deals
and
and
representative
Brer
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
statute.
I'm
I,
don't
I
agree
in
fact,
as
I'
as
I've
talked
about
House
Bill
3,
with
other
policy
makers
around
the
country
this
year
and
I've
I've
not
shared
a
great
deal
of
Praise
on
the
detention
part
of
it.
E
That's
the
part
I
I
between
that
and
the
the
records
being
open.
Those
are
the
two
parts.
I
have
the
most
heart
gr
about,
but
I
talk
about
the
statute.
It
includes
the
offenses
I
think
ought
to
be
included
there.
I
can't
think
of
one
that
I
would
take
from
it
off
the
top
of
my
head.
The
place
up
in
Chelsea
Massachusetts
only
deals
with
the
kids
that
are
charged
with
those
sorts
of
crimes.
It's
not
even
a.
E
To
the
table
and
they
invest
and
they
they
do
it
through
diversion
they
do
it
through
community-based
responses
to
that
that
behavior
they
do
it
through
vocational
training
and
mentoring.
They
do
it
through
all
the
things
that
are
much
much
harder
harder
to
sell,
much
more
expensive
in
some
cases,
in
some
cases,
much
less
expensive,
but
certainly
difficult,
much
more
difficult
to
sell,
and
it
doesn't
feel
quite
as
satisfying
as
just
locking
them
up
and
punishing
them.
But
that's
what
works
so
I.
E
Is
it
easy
to
stand
here
and
say:
yeah
I
think
you
ought
to
let
that
person
out
we
committed
this
heinous
offense
against
that
victim
between
restorative
justice
and
Community
Based
responses,
CDW
workers,
your
community
folks
with
DJJ
it'd,
be
nice.
If
we
could
get
some
of
those
Services
pre-adjudication,
there
are
ways
and
meaningful
ways
to
respond
even
to
the
most
violent,
offending
kids
and
do
something
to
change
their
trajectory
without
having
to
lock
them
up
it's.
E
Why
and
I'm
so
thankful,
I'm,
so
thankful,
and
so
appreciative
that
you
consented
to
and
and
Senator
Carol
added
language
when
it
was
over
in
the
Senate
making
sure
that
the
kids
that
are
in
that
detention
environment.
We
couple
that
experience
with
with
programming
and
Behavioral
Health
interventions,
I'm,
so
grateful
that
you
consented
to
that
language,
and
you
saw
the
value
of
that,
because
that
kind
of
intervention
can
make
all
the
difference
in
the
world
and
I'm
thankful
that
we
stalled.
E
The
the
48
hour
hold
provision
of
the
bill
for
at
least
a
year,
hoping
that
DJJ
staffs
up
in
this
intervening
time,
because
they're
not
they're
not
able
to
handle
the
population.
The
kids
they've
got
in
facilities
today
and
they
weren't
ready
to
have
more
anyway.
I
appreciate
you
letting
me
speak
for
a
second
I
I
have
all
the
respect
and
appreciation
for
representative
Brading
in
the
world.
We
just
do
not
see
eye
to
eye
on
this.
D
Well,
I
appreciate
that
Senator
Westerfield
I
never
agreed
with
Senate
Bill
200.
That's
why
I
was
one
of
the
15
who
voted
against
it.
I
think
that
that
was
the
spark
of
crime
that's
happening
in
Louisville
today,
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
come
to
Louisville
much,
but
there
is
a
lot,
a
lot
of
crime
going
on
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
upset.
D
I've
heard
it's
getting
better,
but
let's
look
at
what
House
Bill
3
says
that
everybody's
objecting
to
if
a
child
commits
a
violent
crime
and
I
could
enumerate
each
one
of
them.
It
starts
at
murder
and
it
goes
all
the
way
down
to
arson
and
sodomy
and
all
the
bad
things.
We
don't
like
that
that
child
has
to
be
detained
until
he
or
she
can
stand
before
judge
no
more
than
48.
D
D
If
there
is
a
movement
to
change
this,
because
I
think
somebody
that
commits
a
violent
crime
should
at
least
spend
the
night
in
a
jail
and
have
the
have
a
audience
with
somebody
that
can
at
least
sit
down
and
talk
to
them
not
just
be
sent
home
back
into
the
community
where
I
know
for
a
fact,
some
of
them
have
committed
crimes
again,
the
next
day
or
going
back
to
school.
They
robbed
a
car.
They
stole
a
car
had
a
wreck
with.
D
E
E
D
A
Interrupt,
no,
that's,
that's
fine,
County
attorney
gold
I
think
is
on
Zoom.
He
has
question
or
comments.
Yes,.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
think
I
I
might
I
represent
somewhere
the
midpoint
between
my
good
friends,
representative,
ratcher
and
Senator
Westerfield
I
I
think
that
there
is
I,
I.
Think
Representative
ratcher
makes
an
excellent
point
when
he
talks
about
House
Bill,
three
specifically
dealing
with
the
most
antisocial
crimes
and
violent
felonies
that
are
out
there
and
I.
Q
Think
what
what
to
me
I
like
about
House
Bill,
three
or
those
provisions
of
House
Bill
three-
is
that
yes,
there's
the
Detention
of
up
to
48
hours,
but
during
that
time
period
it
requires
that
the
child
be
assessed
by
a
mental
health
professional
and
that
that
will
be
done
by
DJJ
and
that
there
will
be
follow
through
with
that
I
think.
That's
very
important
piece.
Frankly,
I
think
that
dovetails
very
well
with
the
with
the
first
presentation
that
we
heard
today
and
I
I
absolutely
believe
believe.
Q
Q
You
know
Senate
Bill,
200
I
very
proud
to
have
been
involved
in
this
process
during
the
because
there
were
youth
going
to
detention
and
there
were
youth
going
to
court
that
did
not
need
to
be
seeing
courts
seeing
the
inside
of
courtrooms,
the
inside
of
detention
facilities
and
I
think
what
what
happened
is
there
was
such
a
focus
on
that
end
of
the
spectrum
that
that
that
really
spotlighted
some
issues
on
the
other
end
of
the
spectrum.
Q
With
these
these
youth
committing
very,
very
dangerous,
antisocial
crimes
that
are,
you
know
the
most
harmful
to
the
the
people
around
them
and
to
the
victims
that
they
have
there's
got
to
be
some
sort
of
Swift
and
immediate
intervention
with
those
and
I
think
you
know,
while
I'm
I
have
some
concerns
about
erosion
of
judicial
discretion
in
House,
Bill,
three
I
think
it's
very
important
that
that,
like
representative
brater,
said
there'd,
be
something
put
in
place
immediately
and
I
do
think
it's
very
important
to
get
that
mental
health
assessment
in
place.
Q
So
that's
my
way
of
saying:
I,
I
I
agree
with
both
Senator
Westerfield
and
representative
brater
in
a
lot
of
respects
and
I
think
there's
actually
room
for
some
overlap
in
that
VIN
diagram
between
the
two
of
them.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
H
Thank
you
and
just
to
follow
up.
You
know
the
chairman,
Westerfield
and
I
I've
worked
on
these
issues,
for
you
know
a
long
time
on
a
national
and
state
level
and
a
lot
of
policy.
We
sat
in
on
the
same
Pol,
National
policy
issues,
conferences
and
listened
to
the
same
experts
and
and
Whitney
is,
is
he
he
he's
devoted
a
lot
of
his
tenure
to
it
and
I
appreciate
that
and
who
had
ever
thought?
We
would
actually
agree
on
a
lot
of
these
issues
as
him.
H
A
former
prosecutor
me
defense,
lawyer
and
and
other
things,
but
you
know
we
we
see
the
data
and
and
when
you
go
to
these
conferences,
Al
and
you
they
look
at
Senate,
Bill
200
and
it's
a
it's
a
national
model.
Folks
people
are
wanting
to
do
Senate,
Bill,
200
and
some
of
the
provisions
and
and
perfect
it
or
or
try
a
variation
of
it.
H
I
mean
it's
a
hot
topic
of
conversation
in
National
policy
roundtables
and
that
that's
something
that
we
have
here
and
you
know
no,
no
legislation's
perfect,
but
certainly
it's
data
data
driven
data
supported
and
the
same
I've
been
I
worked
on
the
juvenile
death
penalty.
When
I
first
got
here,
the
US
Supreme
Court
even
acknowledged
the
the
things
that
Senator
Westfield
talked
about
when
they
abolished
the
juvenile
death
penalty
that
we
tried
so
hard
to
do
here,
and
so
there
is
a
balance
to
be
struck.
H
There
is
no
question:
everybody
that's
in
the
system
can
do
something
to
help
perfect
and
strike
that
balance
and
I
mean
from
law
enforcement
on
and
I.
Think.
That's
that's
our
job
as
policy
makers
to
try
to
perfect
that.
But
you
know
I
look
at
things
from
a
constitutional
standpoint,
because
those
are
the
two
Oaths
that
I
take
and
we
there's
innocence
until
guilt
is
proven
and
that's
the
Cornerstone
of
our
legal
justice
system
and
and
some
of
these
kids
aren't
guilty,
and
some
of
these
kids
are
overcharged.
H
Just
like
in
the
adult
system
and
in
the
adult
system.
You
have
a
process
where
someone
can
get
bail
and
they
may
never
stay
in
jail.
They
have
an
opportunity
now.
You
know
I,
like
the
mental
health
component
and
I,
like
all
those
things,
but
then
some
of
that
part,
as
the
kids
lawyer
kind
of,
gives
me
a
little
indigestion
if
they're
going
in
talking
to
my
client
at
that
stage
of
the
proceeding,
so
there's
a
balance
to
be
struck
around
am
but
the
Constitution
is
what
drives
me
in
in
my
position
on
this.
H
Why
we
can
treat
a
child
different
than
we
treat
an
adult
with
no
opportunity
to
have
a
mandatory
detention
period?
Yeah
we
have
those
in
a
DUI
and
I.
Don't
you
know
that's
for
Public
Safety
and
that's
across
the
board,
but
it
doesn't
great
well
with
me
to
just
do
a
blanket
mandatory
detention
for
anything
that
goes
against
my
sense
of
the
Constitution
and-
and
that's
that's
just
what
drives
me
in
the
scope
that
I
look
at
this
and
I
think
we
look
at
it
that
way.
M
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
just
a
couple
of
points
and
then
I
have
a
question
on
on
the
on
the
issue
of
of
House
Bill.
Three
I
I
really
want
to
compliment
Senator
Carol,
I,
I
I
want
to
Second
his
suggestion.
I
think
aoc's,
given
a
gift
here
by
identifying
these
458
specific
cases
and
that's
what
we
need
to
look
at
I.
M
Don't
doubt
representative,
Brader
that
there
are
carjacking
juveniles
in
in
Jefferson
County,
who
probably
should
have
been
detained,
but
there
wasn't
458
of
them
most
of
those
if
you're
saying
that
they
were
released
and
wouldn't
be
released.
I
don't
believe
that
those
were
some
oversight
of
a
CDW
not
acting
when
they
should
have
acted.
What
happened
in
most
of
those
cases
and
I
would
say
probably
more
than
450
of
them
is
some
human
being
looked
at
the
facts
and
said
this
kid
doesn't
deserve
to
be
in
detention,
the
facts,
the
circumstances,
the
child
being.
M
They
shouldn't
be
in
detention
and
I've,
been
in
juvenile
court
enough
to
know
juvenile
judges
take
detention
seriously
and
they're
not
about
putting
dangerous
people
back
out
with
their
families
or
in
other
places
and
cdws
take
their
job
seriously
as
well.
So
I,
I
I
think
there
was
a
reason
these
kids
were
released
and
I
I
agree
with
Senator
Carol.
We
need
to
see
why
were
those
kids
released
and
should
we
change
the
statute
to
where
those
kids
could
still
be
released?
I
look
at
the
at
the
5322
200.
M
Yes,
the
names
of
those
crimes
are
are
dangerous
and
if
the
public
heard
them
they'd
say
you
know
arson,
of
course,
that
kids
well
arson
can
be
throwing
a
match
in
a
trash.
Can
if
a
kid
at
school
throws
a
match
in
a
trash,
can
they
can
be
charged
with
arson
and
I?
Don't
necessarily
think
that
kid
automat,
a
atically,
should
go
to
jail
for
for
two
days.
If
the
a
playground
fight
you
know
the
the
stereotypical
pushing
somebody
down
for
their
lunch
money.
Well,
that's
robbery.
M
In
the
second
degree,
that's
included
so
we're
going
to
put
people
who
push
people
down
on
the
playground
into
detention
when
we're
talking
about
kids.
These
scary
crimes
can
be
actual,
not
that
scary
fact
patterns,
but
the
only
response
of
the
solu
of
the
system
assuming
a
school
doesn't
say
you
know
we'll
handle
internally
and
we've
already
had
discussion
on.
Many
schools
are
run
to
the
court
system
with
things
if
they
run
to
the
court
system.
M
The
only
way
to
get
there
is
to
charge
a
kid
with
these
crimes
and
when
that
happens,
that
will
trigger
House
Bill.
Three
in
fact
patterns
that
aren't
carjacking
in
downtown
Louisville
they're
much
more
benign
and
explainable
circumstances.
I
certainly
agree
with
everything:
Senator
Westerfield
said
about
brain
development,
and
even
if
they
were
violent
situations,
perhaps
they
shouldn't
go
to
detention.
But
my
point
here
is
among
those
450
cases,
I
bet.
We
find
a
lot
of
fact
patterns
that
no
person
in
this
room.
M
Looking
at
the
fact
pattern
would
say
that
kid
needs
to
go
to
detention
and
so
I
I
think
I.
I
really
would
like
to
see
that
you
know
make
it
Anonymous
in
any
way
that
protects
the
kids,
but
I
would
like
to
some
more
analysis
on
what
those
458
cases
are.
The
question
I
have
is
on
the
on
the
slide
on
anticipated
impacts.
You
talk
about
the
age
in
the
last
bullet
point
on
the
second
page
of
that
says,
22%
being
under
the
of
14.
M
D
There
any
can
I
say
something
represent,
so
it
seems,
like
a
lot
of
people,
have
a
problem
with
this
statute.
Maybe
that
should
be
worked
out
and
I
would
I
could
tell
you
right
now
me
personally,
I
would
be
susceptible
working
with
an
age
limit.
Nobody
ever
brought
that
to
me
before
that
these
were
1
year
olds.
I
want
to
see
if
that's
true
and
I
want
to
see
what
that
458
is
are
because
some
of
them
are
in
Fern,
Creek
and
I.
D
Keep
bringing
up
and
I
will
always
bring
that
up,
because
I've
got
people
that
will
not
I've
got
a
always
get
to
antidotes
and
I
know,
that's
not
the
way
to
run
a
government,
but
there's
a
lady
in
Fern
Creek
that
will
not
come
out
at
night
anymore
because
of
what
happened
to
her
so
I'm,
going
to
always
have
her
right
here
with
me
as
we
walk
through
this
cuz
I.
Don't
think
any
anybody
in
this
room
would
would
appreciate
a
loved
one
going
through
what
that
lady
went
through,
but
yeah.
D
A
A
Unless
somebody
else
has
something
pressing
on
Friday
afternoon
to
go
into,
but
I
I
will
say,
I
did
vote
in
favor
of
House
Bill.
Three
and
I
think
that
at
this
point
the
only
way
to
ensure
Public
Safety
when
those
in
when
those
458
juveniles
are
apprehended
is
to
have
some
period
of
detention.
I
think
that's
the
only
way
to
ensure
Public
Safety.
So
that's
why
I
supported
it,
but
U
I
think
you've
heard
from
representative
bratcher
that
he's
obviously
open
to
looking
at
more
data
and
no
no
legislation's
ever
perfect.
A
I
know
you've
been
here.
A
lot
longer
than
I
have
I
represented
brater,
but
no
bill
is
ever
perfect,
but
I
tend
to
Heir
on
the
side
of
Public
Safety
as
well,
and
so
I
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
so
I
do
appreciate
your
passion.
So
this
committee
will
stand
adjourned.
Do
we
know
the
next
meeting
date,
October
31,
October,
31
Halloween,
so.