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B
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D
I
am
here,
thank
you
all
right
at
this
time,
we'll
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
August
10th
meeting.
Second,
we
have
got
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
adopted
the
minutes.
At
this
point
we
will
have
Shannon
Moody,
Terry,
Brooks
and
Cynthia
Shepherds
I,
hope
I
said
that
correctly
all
right
with
A6
schools.
They
will
come
up
and
give
a
presentation
and
then
we'll
have
a
q
a
afterwards.
D
And
if
you
will
just
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record,
thank
you
and
make
sure
your
mic
is
on
make
sure
the
green
Dot's
on
there.
E
So
chair
Parsons,
first
of
all,
thanks
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
to
talk
to
you
about
this
issue.
A
couple
members
of
your
committee
had
coached
me
to
say:
I
should
take
just
a
couple
seconds
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
as
to
what
we're
talking
about
when
we
say
A6
programs,
so
I
don't
want
to
be
redundant
but
I'm
trying
to
follow
some
suggestions.
A
couple
of
your
colleagues
made
so
in
Kentucky
kids
go
to
one
of
three
kinds
of
schools.
E
One
of
those
schools
is
categorized
as
A1
schools
think
about
those
as
North
and
South
Laurel,
High,
School
or
Middlesboro
High
School,
so
that
High
School
in
your
county,
that
middle
school
down
the
street.
Those
are
comprehensive,
A1
schools,
a
growing
pattern
in
Kentucky
or
A5
programs,
and
the
best
way
to
describe
those
in
most
districts.
They're
talked
about
as
alternative
schools.
If
we're
honest.
Those
are
generally
for
young
people
who
have
had
disciplinary
issues
and
it's
deemed
that
they
can't
stay
in
quote
a
regular
school.
E
Those
are
operated
by
the
districts
again,
there's
a
Nuance
that
KDE
uses
the
difference.
In
A1
schools
and
A5
programs,
the
third
category
and
that's
what
we're
here
to
talk
about
today
are
A6
programs.
Those
are
the
educational
services
explicitly
designed
for
young
people
in
state
care,
so
that
translates
to
kids
in
DJJ
and
in
the
child
welfare
system,
so
I
just
want
to
frame
who
this
involves
and
who
this
doesn't
involve,
and
so
today
we're
going
to
talk
about
A6
programs
I.
E
Just
so
appreciate
the
co-chairs
and
y'all
giving
us
time,
because
I'm
sure
you
know
that
those
young
people,
for
instance,
in
child
welfare
who
are
in
A6
programs
because
they
have
suffered
maltreatment,
abuse
or
neglect
or
or
they
wouldn't
be
there.
They
don't
have
voices
to
talk
about
the
quality
of
services
they're
getting
and
that's.
Why
we're
so
appreciative
that
you,
as
a
committee,
are
willing
to
consider
this
and
to
think
about,
exploring
and
investigating
it?
E
We're
going
to
talk
about
policies
and
data,
but
I
think
personal
experience
is
really
important,
so
Cynthia
is
here
for
that
purpose.
Some
of
you
who
have
been
to
Children's
Advocacy
day
will
remember
Cynthia
from
a
few
years
ago,
who
spoke
as
a
person
who
was
involved
in
the
child.
Welfare
system
and
I
love
the
success
story,
because
Cynthia
went
from
being
in
the
child
welfare
system
to
the
place
where
we've
hired
her
at
Kya
to
support
young
people
who
are
in
the
child
welfare
system.
E
Dr
Moody
shared
with
me
that
all
the
way
up
to
Frankfurt
today
she
was
trying
to
solve
a
utility
bill
for
a
young
person
who
had
just
aged
out
of
care.
So
when
Cynthia
talks
about
this
issue
and
talks
about
it
from
her
experience,
it's
lived
life
real
experience
and
I
thought.
That
might
be
an
important
way
to
frame
the
topic
before
we
get
into
specific
areas
that
we
think
you
might
be
interested
in.
Exploring
so
Cynthia.
Thanks
for
being
here
and.
D
D
Okay,
so
it's
been
around
for
a
while
yep
okay
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
before
we
get
started
of
why
we
brought
this
topic
here
today,
the
importance
of
it.
You
know,
you've
got
a
population
of
students
that
are
going
through.
These
programs
have
for
two
and
a
half
decades
and
there's
not
been
a
whole
lot
of
review
from
the
state.
So
looking
forward
to
your
presentation,
thank
you.
Proceed.
F
Thank
you
all
so
today,
I
just
want
to
quickly
share
at
Kentucky
youth
Advocates.
F
We
conducted
what
was
known
as
a
residential,
foster
care
analysis
report,
and
in
that
report
we
interviewed
about
40
young
people
and
who
had
the
residential
and
foster
care
experience
and
one
of
the
questions
we
asked
them
was
about
their
education
at
these
A-6
schools,
as
Terry
Brooks
shared
I,
also
have
that
personal
experience
that
I'll
share
in
just
a
minute,
but
even
from
other
young
adults
that
we
have
interviewed,
they
have
shared
that
some
of
them
did
not
receive
the
credits
that
they
needed
because
of
being
in
these
Asics
programs.
They
are
often
understaffed.
F
For
example,
I
was
at
a
residential
and
we
had
one
teacher
for
each
subject.
Yet
we
had
6
through
12th
graders,
so
6
through
12th
graders
are
all
sitting
in
one
math
class.
What
kind
of
math
do
you
think
they're
teaching
they're
not
teaching
what
I
needed,
because
I
was
a
fresh
and
I
needed
algebra
one?
Yet
we
were
taught
business
Math
and
how
to
do
coloring
sheets.
So
when
I
entered
the
public
school
system
at
the
residential
I
was
given
the
opportunity
to
go
to
public
school
I
felt
utterly
unprepared.
F
F
How
can
I
help
and
I
just
broke
down
crying
to
her
and
said
you
know:
I,
never
learned
algebra
That's
the
basis
for
this
and
I'm
not
sure
what
I'm
doing
so.
She
was
able
to
refer
me
to
a
program
to
teach
me
algebra,
so
I
had
to
do
that.
Alongside
of
all
my
other
classes
and
the
job
that
I
was
doing
at
the
same
time,
so
that
was
actually
a
lucky
outcome
in
comparison
to
these
other
youth,
who
sometimes
are
missing
the
credits
needed
to
graduate
and
have
to
go
work
on
a
GED.
F
Instead,
other
young
adults,
we
interviewed
compared
A6
schools
to
just
dumb
down
versions
of
public
school.
That's
that's
the
words
they
used.
They
just
feel
like
they
were
not
getting
the
same
kind
of
education
that
they
were
that
they
would
if
they
were
out
of
public
school,
and
although
the
specific
residential
I
was
at
offered
the
opportunity
to
go
to
public
school,
it
was
very
hard
to
earn
I.
F
Think
I
was
there
for
three
to
six
months
before
I
was
able
to
earn
the
right
to
go
to
public
school,
and
even
after
that,
I
struggled,
and
it
was
just
very
difficult
for
me,
but
it
was.
It
was
better
than
going
to
the
Asic
school.
It
was
a
lot
of
it
was
almost
like.
I
was
in
elementary
school
because
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
we
were
learning
I,
remember:
I
got
a
biology
credit
as
well.
F
So
when
I
went
to
my
senior
year
at
North,
Bullitt
High
School,
they
told
me
that
I
still
needed
biology.
Yet
that
was
a
10th
grader
class.
So
I
spent
each
day
with
a
bunch
of
10th
graders
people
who
were
on
a
different
level
than
me,
people
who
looked
at
me
and
said:
why
is
there
a
12th
grader
in
here?
What
is
she
doing?
What
did
she
do
wrong?
When
did
she
fail?
F
Those
with
my
foster
care
experience
are
actually
around
less
than
five
percent
likely
to
do
so.
So,
as
I
said,
I
consider
myself
supported
and
very
lucky,
but
other
kids
are
not
in
the
same
situations
and
don't
have
the
same
supports
to
wrap
around
them
and
that's
why
it's
so
essential
that
we,
you
know,
do
things
anything
we
can
to
fix
these
Asic
schools
or
get
these
young
adults
in
public
school
because
it
really
does
affect
their
educational
trajectory.
E
Thanks
Cynthia
I
don't
want
to
belabor.
You
understand
the
importance
of
it,
because
these
young
people
who
are
in
the
child
welfare
system
when
they
exit
that
system
are
probably
not
going
to
move
to
Silicon
Valley
they're,
going
to
stay
in
the
home
communities
where
they
grew
up,
and
so
the
real
question
is:
how
can
we
ensure
that
young
people
who
have
already
experienced
trauma
inner
adulthood
as
viable
members
of
the
workforce
as
viable
members
of
the
community,
rather
than
frankly,
entering
adulthood
dependent
upon
those
communities
to
support
them?
E
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
frame
the
importance
of
this
issue.
Let
me
emphasize
that
we
don't
doubt
for
a
moment
that
a
large
number
of
folks
who
are
involved
in
A6
programs
care
about
this.
This
is
not
about
keksak,
the
third
party
that
administers
the
program.
It's
not
about
DJJ,
it's
not
about
dcbs,
it's
not
about
KDE,
but
something
within
the
system
is
broken.
E
And
that's
what
we're
asking
you
to
investigate
to
see
if
we
can
make
this
system
better
within
the
last
week
we
have
spoken
to
the
governor's
offices
in
a
number
of
States,
including
Arkansas,
Tennessee
and
Florida,
and
what
I
can
tell
you
is
each
of
those
States
operate
systems
like
this,
but
they
do
it
in
a
very
different
way,
with
very
different
results.
E
So
there
are
alternative
models
out
there
that
are
cost
effective
and
producing
good
things
for
students.
We
would
suggest
to
you
that
when
you
look
at
the
A6
system,
what
what
you
really
find
are
a
number
of
governance
issues,
system
issues
that
need
looking
at
given
the
time
parameters
we
have,
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
through
each
of
those,
so,
for
instance,
we
could
spend
a
significant
amount
of
time.
I'd
already
mentioned
this
to
Senator
Carroll,
knowing
his
advocacy
of
this.
E
There
are
real
issues
around
practices
related
to
getting
services
to
young
people
in
special
education
programs
that
are
in
A6
programs.
There
is
a
genuine
issue
of
governance,
which
is:
where
does
the
buck
stop
when
it
comes
to
these
kids,
there
are
real
issues
around
access
to
the
local
school
district.
There
are
issues
of
Staffing.
There
are
issues
of
the
track
record
related
to
disciplinary
actions
when
it
comes
to
child
welfare
in
kids.
E
So
there
are
a
number
of
those
that
that
we
would
guess
if
you
decide
to
explore
you'll
run
into
but
again
trying
to
give
respect
to
your
time
frame.
We
want
to
highlight
just
two
one
of
those
is
fiscal
accountability.
We
know
that
that
you,
as
a
legislative
body,
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
ROI
on
tax
dollars
that
get
expended
and
I
have
to
tell
you.
I
can't
figure
this
out,
because
I
wish
I
could
give
you
an
answer,
but
I
can't
the
amount
of
money
that
you
allocate
given.
E
I
have
no
reason
to
question
it
though
President
Reagan's
admonition
about
trust
but
verify
comes
to
mind
in
terms
of
where
those
dollars
flow.
What
you're
going
to
see
is
two
things
with
this:
in
some
cases,
larger
entities,
larger
child,
well,
child
welfare
entities,
representative
Fleming,
Senator,
Rocky,
Adams,
Senator
Neal,
with
no
names
like
Mary
Hearst,
home
of
the
innocent
those
places
they
are
investing
well
over
a
half
million
dollars
a
year
of
their
money
to
bring
these
programs
up
to
speed.
Now,
that's
Noble
of
them,
but
that's
child
welfare
money.
E
That's
supposed
to
be
delivering
services
for
those
kids
living
in
cottages,
not
having
an
aid
in
the
classroom.
You
also
know
that
if
you're
representing
a
residential
facility,
that's
smaller
or
from
a
more
rural
area,
they
don't
have
a
half
million
dollars
of
discretionary
money.
So
you
can
guess
what
that
means
on
quality,
if
I
can't
figure
out
the
exact
flow
of
those
dollars,
I
can
figure
out
that
there's
a
problem
with
categorical
money.
E
Some
of
you
know
you
know
I'm
an
old,
broken
down
30-year
School
administrator,
so
I
know
how
to
look
at
school
budgets
when
I.
Look
at
the
the
budgets
that
these
facilities
have
there's
real
problems
with
categorical
money,
especially
for
young
people
who
are
in
special
ed
services.
I'm
sure
you
know
that
there
are
categorical
matches
from
federal
and
state
that
follow
the
kid
that
money
is
not
getting
to
the
kids,
so
so
that
fiscal
accountability
is
a
is
a
big
piece.
E
There
is
a
lack
of
accountability
to
know
how
much
are
kids
learning
and
which
programs
are
operating
effectively
and
which
ones
aren't
those
National
models
that
I
mentioned
from
Pure
States.
They
have
very
explicit
processes
where
kids
are
assessed
when
they
enter
a
facility
they're
assessed
when
they
leave
a
facility.
E
You
know
how
much
they
learned
while
we
were
there.
Programs
are
assessed
so
those
residential
facilities,
sunrise
services,
Senator
nemus,
out
your
way
talks
about
this.
Those
programs
actually
want
assessment
to
find
out.
If
what
they're
doing
is
working,
they
would
tell
you
that
there
is
inconsistency
and
lack
of
rigor
in
that.
So
when
you
look
at
this
Arena
again,
there
are
any
number
of
areas
to
investigate
and
I
hope
you
hear
us
say
and
we
are
not.
We
are
not
trying
to
tell
you
that
we
have
the
answers
to
any
of
these.
E
What
we
are
saying
after
having
looked
at
this
for
more
than
a
few
years,
there
are
serious
questions
and
again
the
importance
of
this
and
I
don't
want
to
be
redundant
is.
Is
these
kids
have
to
have
leaders
like
you
who
are
watching
out
for
them
because
they
don't
have
that
home
support?
They
don't
have
that
home
voice,
so
representative
bowling
in
Senator
storm.
We
really
appreciate
just
the
fact
that
you're
considering
this
and
we're
glad
to
answer
questions.
Dr
Moody
is
our
resident
expert
on
child
welfare.
D
All
right,
very
good,
thank
you
all
for
the
presentation.
We've
got
a
few
questions
we'll
go
to
representative
Riley.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
If
I
could
I'd
like
to
ask,
maybe
a
couple
questions
and
first
of
all,
Terry
and
Shannon.
Thank
you
for
what
you
do
and
I
know
it's
not
always
an
easy
job,
but
we
appreciate
you
working
with
the
youth
here
in
the
state
Cynthia
thanks
for
the
real
life
testimony,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
here
in
Frankfort
we
hear
what
people
really
go
through
in
in
their
day-to-day
lives.
H
So
my
questions
are
this:
first
of
all,
are
the
teachers
in
these
in
these
in
this
program
certified
and
if
so,
are
they
certified
in
the
subject
areas
they're
teaching
in
and
the
example
is
you
you
mentioned
six
through
12
science
and
you
got
a
biology
thing,
but
oftentimes
teachers
in
high
school
are
certified
in
subject
area
I
mean
in
specific
subject
areas
as
opposed
into
a
general
area.
So
that's
my
first
question.
Yeah.
E
The
the
the
A6
programs
is
being
affected
just
like
all
schools
are
with
teacher
shortages.
The
official
line
the
goal
is
to
have
certified
teachers
from
The
District,
in
which
the
facility
is
located
again.
If
you
look
at
those
Personnel
forms
that
schools
send
in
you
see
mixed
results
in
terms
of,
are
they
certified
in
the
appropriate
subjects
and
at
the
at
the
appropriate
level?
E
One
of
the
things
that
some
of
those
facilities
that
I
mentioned
that
are
kicking
in
a
half
million
of
discretionary
money,
they're
actually
bringing
in
retired
teachers
who
are
certified
other
aides,
so
I
what's
on
the
books,
would
have
appropriately
certified
folks
there
that
not.
That
is
not
necessarily
the
case
in
every
situation,
as
Cynthia
said.
E
The
other
thing
that
we
hear
is,
as
you
know,
as
a
former
educator,
you
can
have
a
certified
teacher,
but
you
can
have
the
wrong
setting
so
having
having
a
hundred
kids
in
the
gym
at
four
grade
levels.
It
really
doesn't
matter
if
you're
a
certified
teacher
or
not
that's
a
pretty
tough
job.
So
on
the
books,
it's
there
I'm,
not
sure
if
reality
matches
that
representative.
So.
H
And
I
could
ask
another
question
along
these
lines,
so
so
there's
definitely
going
to
be
some
deficits
in
all
this,
like
I,
know
Public
Schools.
They
have
a
hard
time
finding
chemistry,
teachers
or
physics,
teachers
or
those
type
of
things.
Do
you
guys
do
any
online
classes
to
make
up
for
those
deficits.
E
One
of
the
things
you'll
see
if
you,
if
you
decide
to
investigate
this,
is
if
you
talk
to
five
facilities,
you'll
hear
five
different
programs,
that's
not
necessarily
good
or
bad,
but
but
there's
not
a
single
answer.
Some
use,
Virtual
more
than
others.
I
would
say
that,
for
instance,
in
in
Florida
they
offer
an
entire
online
curriculum
that
is
facilitated
by
teachers
for
their
child
welfare
education
system.
So
again,
there
are
some
national
models
out
there
that
I
think
we
could
learn
from
if
we,
if
we
really
want
to
explore
those.
I
This
is
something
that's
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
as
a
social
worker
and
an
attorney
who
serves
people
who
have
been
marginalized,
so
I
have
two
questions
as
well.
My
first
question
is
how
many
children
in
Kentucky
are
in
A6
schools
and
what
percentage
of
these
children
are
coming
from
dcbs
and
DJJ?
That's.
G
Based
on
the
last
report
that
I
saw
from
the
Kentucky
educational
collaborative
on
state
agency,
children
there's
about
8,
300
kids
in
total,
seen
individual
for
the
year,
I
think
point
in
time.
It's
like
1300,
kids,
like
on
a
certain
day
and
based
on
the
breakout
it
looked
like
it
was
about
50
50.
Actually,
there
was
a
time
where
it
was
a
little
bit
more
child
welfare.
But
right
now
it
looks
like
it's
about
it's
almost
50
50.
I
B
I
E
Any
instances
yeah,
there
is
no
question
about
that
about
four
years
ago,
the
Southern
Poverty
Law
Center
was
almost
ready
to
file
a
class
action
suit,
both
on
the
basis
of
race
and
handicapping
status.
It
would
not
surprise
you
that
kids
of
color
who
are
handicapped
may
have
especially
egregious
gaps
in
these
services
that
somewhat
got
settled.
E
If
you
look
at
some
I,
don't
want
to
get
in
the
weeds,
but
if
you
look
at
very
specific
things
that
that
representative
Burke,
you
would
know
about
like
time
frames
for
assessment
and
placement
in
of
special
ed
kids
in
programs,
there
are
huge
gaps
and
we
are
not
close
to
compliance
on
those
issues
with
federal
law.
G
B
G
I
Thank
you
both
for
those
answers
that,
sadly,
is
extremely
troubling
to
hear,
because
in
this
the
sphere
of
protecting
children,
we
know
having
them
be
in
their
home.
School
can
be
the
only
stability
that
they're
getting.
You
know,
being
able
to
see
that
homeroom
teacher
being
able
to
see
that
Family
Resource
Center
worker,
who
knows
their
history,
who
knows
their
family
that
can
solidify
for
a
child,
a
very
uncertain
and
ambiguous
and
challenging
situation.
I
So
it
seems
to
me
if
we
choose
to
go
forward
on
this
as
a
committee
that
it
ought
to
be
top
of
mind
and
an
ultimate
priority
that
we
get
as
many
of
these
students
into
their
home
schools
as
possible,
so
that
they're
able
to
maintain
some
kind
of
normalcy
and
a
proper
trajectory
for
their
education,
so
that
they're
not
trapped
into
this
cycle,
that
they
didn't
create.
The.
E
Other
the
other
thing
you
brought
up
such
an
important
point,
the
one
of
the
folks
that
we
talked
with
in
Tennessee
is
a
former
partner
virus
who
used
to
work
for
a
foundation
that
specialized
in
child
welfare.
He
is
currently
chair
of
the
Tennessee
equivalent
of
children
and
service
committee,
but
he's
a
guru
on
child
welfare
talked
about
that.
The
real
impact
of
having
kids
close
to
home
affects
re-entry.
We
want
these
young
people
to
exit
from
Child
Welfare
right.
We
want
them
entering
back
in.
E
J
Terry's
always
good
to
see
you
again.
You
too,
let
me
commit
my
question
this
way,
I'm
puzzled
when
you,
when
you
tell
me
that
we
have
sufficient
funding,
provide
these
young
people
with
with
a
good
education,
but
somewhere
in
the
transmission
or
the
disbursement
of
those
funds,
is
just
not
getting
and
it
is
not
being
deployed
in
the
right
manner.
J
For
instance,
I
I
don't
understand
why
we
can't
for
math,
have
a
sixth
to
eighth
grade
teacher,
an
algebra
teacher
and
maybe
a
teacher
that
might
teach
something
in
in
the
11th
and
12th
grades.
I
mean
that's.
That
would
seem
important
to
me.
You
can't
have
an
English
teacher
teach
six
to
12th
graders.
You
know
you
got
to
have
that
divided
out
and
we
have
sufficient
funding
to
do
that.
Why
isn't
that
taking
place?
Do
you
have?
J
Can
you
can
you
give
me
or
us
any
idea
of
what
you
think
the
problem
is
as
to
where
the
problem
lies
in
the
disbursement
and
allocation
of
those
funds.
E
Somewhere
along
the
points
where
the
money
flows-
a
full-
you
all
are
certainly
familiar
with
seek
formulas,
and
so,
if
you
really
look
at
how
it
should
go,
those
residential
facilities
should
get
the
full
Sikh
funding
and
they
should
get
again
without
getting
in
the
weeds
representative,
Riley
you'll
know
what
an
sbdm
budget
looks
like
these
facilities
budgets
for
things
like
operations,
so
those
residential
facilities,
if,
if
those
classrooms
are
going
to
be
air,
conditioned
or
heated
they're
going
to
foot
the
bill,
so
the
formula
I
actually
think
your
formula
is
accurate.
E
My
question
would
be,
and
I
want
to
be
very
candid.
We
had
made
a
pitch
to
both
auditor
edelin
and
auditor
Harmon
to
conduct
a
performance
audit
of
these
programs.
That
did
not
happen.
So
I
would
think
that
that
not
telling
you
all
what
to
do,
but
a
a
acute
fiscal
analysis
in
terms
of
tracking
where
dollars
go,
it
would
be
important,
I
think
the
other
thing
Senator
Thomas
is
those
residential
facilities.
E
We
could
all
learn
a
lot
from
them
when
we
think
about
what's
the
actual
cost
things
that
we
don't
think
about
getting
kids
from
where
they're
living
to
where
they're
going
to
school.
You
can't
just
say
to
a
group
of
high-risk
students:
maybe
Cynthia
was
the
exception.
Good
luck
get
there
on
your
own,
so
somebody
has
to
flip
the
bill
on
those
kind
of
costs,
so
I
think
the
allocation
versus
the
need
and
the
process.
They
don't
line
up.
I'm.
Being
very
candid
that
you
know
me
if
I
thought
I
had
an
answer.
E
I'd
tell
you.
I
want
to
be
really
careful
answering
that,
but
I
started
this
journey.
Thinking
candidly
that
y'all
didn't
allocate
enough
money.
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case,
I
think
if
you
did
a
per
pupil
formula,
there's
money
there
I
just
hope
I
would
hope
you
all
could
figure
out
what's
happening
to
it
and
how
to
take
adequate
funding
and
get
it
to
where
you
want
it
to
be.
C
You
how
many
of
these
programs
throughout
the
state
are
we
talking
about
these
A6
programs,
a
number.
K
Let
me
turn
this
on.
I
was
really
I
was
really
struck
when
we
talked
about
the
issue
of
students
being
passed
along,
which
is
kind
of
kind
of
what
we
were
you
were
referring
to
and-
and
this
seems
to
be
systemic
in
our
in
our
school
system,
all
together,
I
I
know
you
made
the
comment.
K
You
felt
like
eight
six
schools
were
sort
of
dumbed
down
examples
of
the
public
schools
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
know
and
I
know
you
weren't
referring
to
our
teachers,
but
simply
simply
to
the
system
itself.
I
want
to
make
sure
you
know
the
teachers
aren't
getting
caught
up
in
this
I
want
to
address
your
your
number
two
point
where
you
talked
about
the
lack
of
accountability
on
student
outcomes
and
I'm,
just
asking.
K
If
you
have
any
quick
suggestions
regarding
some
of
the
behavioral
performance
guidelines,
the
the
the
disciplinary
action
and
the
support.
You
know
some
of
the
changes
that
that
that
might
address
this
lack
of
accountability,
because
what
we're
overall
trying
to
do
is
overcome
some
of
the
environmental
deficiencies
that
these
young
people
were
exposed
to
when
they
were
younger.
So
could
you
speak
just
a
little
bit
to
how
we
may
want
to
consider
some?
You
know
some
changes
in
that
area.
Sure
of.
E
Those
we
actually
may
have
some
solutions,
or
some
suggested
Solutions,
so
the
student
outcome
basis
I'll,
give
you
just
one
example
of
what
I
think
would
be
a
very
easy
help.
It's
not
a
silver
bullet
not
going
to
change
everything
we
all
know
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
a
good
thing,
but
most
school
districts
that
you
represent
are
if
not
very
interested
in
obsessed
by
test
scores.
I
think
we
would
all
agree
with
that.
E
What's
interesting
is
that
that
if
I
am
a
school
district
that
has
a
residential
facility
in
it,
and
some
of
you
are
from
a
county
that
has
several
of
these
in
it.
Those
kids
scores,
even
though
they're
being
taught
in
that
county
are
not
attributed
to
that
school
district.
They
go
back
to
their
home
District.
So
a
kid
from
your
county
who
is
housed
in
Louisville,
even
though
York
County
Schools
don't
have
any
interaction
with
that
young
person
his
or
her
scores
go
back
to
the
home
District
I.
E
Don't
want
to
be
cynical
about
that,
but
I
think
that
there
are
again
some
of
those
other
states
have
what
they
call
a
double
helix
model.
Where
those
test
scores
count
twice,
they
count
in
the
home
counting
and
they
count
where
you're
receiving
instruction
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
bet
that
if,
if
those
scores
counted
in
the
school
district,
where
they
were
receiving
instruction
there,
there
may
be
a
higher
interest
from
the
school
district
in
those
students.
So
that
is
a
unfancy
but
pretty
practical
solution.
E
I
think
Senator
Douglas,
your
your
other
question
around
the
behavioral
bit
I
think
there's
some
clear
Pathways
for
that
which
is
not
just
young
people
in
A6,
but
in
general
we
know
that
behavioral
and
emotional
supports
are
never
more
important.
Representative
Burke
mentioned
Friskies.
There
are
some
Friskies
that
have
a
strong
behavioral
and
mental
health
program.
E
Others
don't
members
at
least
of
the
children
family
service
committee
have
heard
us
talk
about.
One
of
the
things
that
Kentucky
is
not
claiming
enough
is
that
we
can
draw
a
three
to
one
match
from
the
feds
on
money
to
support
that,
meaning
that
if,
if
a
school
district
commits
to
a
school
psychologists,
School
social
workers,
they
can
get
a
three
to
one
match
that
is
not
happening
at
that
level.
E
So
if
I
were
pushing
a
button,
I
would
say
that
if,
if
we
through
chfs
KDE
other
sources
were
more
aggressive
in
that
pull
down
of
medic
of
Medicaid
money,
these
facilities
would
have
a
stronger
wrap
around
Services
senator
for
those
young
people
in
terms
of
trauma-informed
care
therapies.
Behavioral
supports
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
budget
Buster
for
the
state.
It's
us
just
being
smart
in
how
we
pull
down
Federal
matches.
D
You
thank
you
all.
That
was
a
enlightening
presentation
today,
a
good
conversation.
I
know.
A
lot
of
these
conversations
will
continue
after
today,
as
we
head
into
the
2024
budget
session,
and
you
know
we
may
look
into
a
a
full
review
of
the
program
you
know
next
year
so,
but
thank
you
all
today,
yeah
and
I
appreciate
all
your
help.
Thank
you.
At
this
time
we
are
going
to
go
over
our
next
item.
Court
ordered
assisted
out
treatment
or
outpatient
treatment.
A
L
At
first
I'd
like
to
start
by
saying
that
our
commissioner
Dr
Katie
Marks,
recently
appointed
wanted
to
be
here
today,
unfortunately
had
a
conflict.
Additionally,
since
we
were
last
here,
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
provide
an
update
on
Kentucky's
Kentucky's
implementation
of
assisted
Outpatient
Treatment,
since
we
were
here
the
last
time,
the
department
hired
Dr
David
Sussman
he's
a
clinical
psychologist
with
Decades
of
experience,
working
with
individuals
with
serious
mental
illness
and
he's
been
leading
our
implementation
of
the
our
Statewide
implementation
of
assisted
Outpatient
Treatment.
M
Today
is
Phyllis
millswall
who's
assistant
director
within
the
division
of
mental
health,
as
well
as
Tara
Brewer,
who
is
our
program
director
for
our
samhsa
aot
grant
that
dbhdid
has
received
so
I
just
want
to
start
by
thanking
co-chairs,
storm
and
bowling
and
as
well
as
the
rest
of
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
share
with
us
with
you
the
exciting
work
that
has
happened
since
we
were
last
able
to
share
information
on
this
program
last
year
in
the
assisted,
Outpatient,
Treatment,
space
or
aot,
as
we
call
it.
M
I'd
also
like
to
start
by
acknowledging
Jefferson
County,
District,
Judge,
Stephanie,
Pierce
Burke
and
her
role
as
a
staunch
Advocate
and
supporter
for
this
work.
She
has
been
part
of
implementation
of
aot,
also
known
as
Tim's
law
about
in
Kentucky.
Since
the
program
started
back
in
2017.,
she
has
actively
guided
our
work
and
she
has
been
part
of
the
implementation
process
throughout,
and
we
know
that
we,
we
have
been
assisted
significantly
by
her
input
in
our
work
as
well,
so
just
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
everybody.
M
I
just
want
to
provide
just
a
background
on
what
aot
is
I
know.
There's
some
new
members
of
the
committee,
as
well
as
folks
who've,
been
here
for
a
while,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
assisted
Outpatient
Treatment
is
an
evidence-based
treatment
modality
that
focuses
on
providing
community-based
treatment,
mental
health
treatment
for
individuals
with
severe
mental
illness
who
struggle
to
maintain
voluntary
treatment
adherence.
M
M
Most
of
our
I
want
to
say
that
most
individuals
with
SMI
can
maintain
their
treatment,
but
for
those
who
can't
aot
may
be
the
answer,
it
provides
a
less
invasive
intervention
than
psychiatric
hospitalization
and
is
designed
to
interrupt
that
repeated
hospitalization
release
and
then
decompensation
back
to
the
hospital
cycle
that
we
have
with
that.
We
see
among
our
a
small
subset
of
these
clients.
M
It
also
includes
regular
Court
supervision
and
more
intensive
Outpatient
Treatment
than
a
person
who
gets
who
is
adherent
adhering
to
their
treatment
would
receive
as
well.
We
just
know
that
our
individuals
are
then
better
served
with
the
limited
resources
that
we
have
available
and
we
do
see
significant
impacts
as
a
result
of
aot
services.
So,
on
the
slides,
you
can
see
that
we
see
about
77
percent
fewer
hospitalizations.
M
We
see
74
percent,
less
homelessness,
40
4
percent
decrease
in
the
harmful
or
dangerous
behaviors,
and
then
we
also
know
that
participants
in
aot
programs
are
four
times
less
likely
to
perpetuate
violence
and
50
50
percent
less
likely
to
be
victimized
themselves
So
based
on
our
Kentucky
Grant.
So
this
is
the
samsa
grant
that
we
received
in
2020.
We
have
just
started
our
initial
evaluation
and
we're
seeing
very
similar
results.
M
You'll
see
we
have
an
86
percent
reduction
in
inpatient
hospitalization
among
the
clients
who
are
involved
in
aot.
Through
that
grant
program,
we
have
74
percent
reduction
in
ER
visits,
57
reduction
in
nice
and
jail
40,
40
reduction
in
arrests
and
homelessness
and
a
14.3
percent
reduction
reduction
in
detoxification
requirements.
M
Our
initial
evaluation
results
provides
significant
hope
for
this
program
and
the
individuals
it
serves,
and
that
is
the
key
right.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
folks
who
need
these
services
are
getting
access
to
the
treatment
they
need
so
that
they
can
get
better
and
thrive
in
their
home
community.
M
M
Would
that
said,
the
individual
must
have
a
diagnosis
of
a
severe
mental
illness
and
just
to
clarify
the
definition
of
SMI
requires
that
an
individual
be
18
years
of
old,
18
years
of
age,
that
they
have
a
diagnosis,
disorder
of
schizophrenia,
bipolar
or
related
disorder,
a
depressive
disorder
and
or
PTSD
post-traumatic
stress
disorder,
as
well
as
evidence
of
functional
impairment.
That
has
lasted
at
least
two
years
or
is
expected
to
continue
for
two
years
or
the
individual
has
been
hospitalized
for
mental
illness,
at
least
once
in
the
past
two
years.
M
So
in
addition
to
that
that
SMI
definition
to
be
eligible
for
aot,
clients
must
also
have
a
history
of
not
following
their
treatment
plan
and
which
has
resulted
in
them
being
hospitalized
within
the
last
two
years.
M
M
M
M
The
Community,
Mental
Health
Center
is
then
providing
the
treatment
services
to
that
individual,
which
includes
therapy
medication
and
Supportive
Services,
and
then
they
collaborate
with
Community
Partners,
such
as
law
enforcement,
family
and
other
stakeholders
to
make
sure
that
person
has
Community
is
successful
in
their
Community.
The
individual
must
also
adhere
to
regular
monitoring
with
the
court.
M
So,
to
date,
a
total
of
2
million
sixty
four
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
of
Grant
funds
were
spent
through
the
first
three
years
of
the
grant,
which
ended
on
July
31st
2023
that
works
out
to
about
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
per
client.
As
we'll
talk
about
the
number
of
clients
in
just
a
second
spent
to
move
that
person
through
aot
the
aot
program,
so
the
full
amount
of
available
carry
forward
from
year,
two
was
requested
and
granted
by
samsa
as
well
as
they
also
provided
some
additional
funds
from
year.
M
One
of
the
grant
which
had
not
originally
been
spent.
This
resulted
in
a
carry
forward
of
624
381
for
Grant
year,
three,
which
was
also
approved.
So
these
carry
forward
dollars
were
utilized
to
add
two
additional
Regional
aot
programs
to
serve
the
full
catchment
area
of
the
grant
year.
3
phase
two
western
state
region,
all
unused
funds
from
year
three
will
be
requested
via
carry
forward
in
October,
and
we
anticipate.
M
So,
in
addition
to
our
our
state
to
our
samsa
grant,
we
also
have
funding
from
the
state
general
fund
that
state
budget
included
1.5
million
for
expanded
aot
implementation
across
the
Eastern
State
Hospital
region
and
the
Appalachian
Regional
Hospital
region
and
the
corresponding
cmhcs,
which
included
New,
Vista,
North,
Key,
adanta,
Pathways
and
comprehend
in
the
eastern
state
region
and
Mountain
Cumberland
River
and
Kentucky
River
in
the
Appalachian
Regional
Hospital.
M
So
in
phase
three
and
four,
the
funds
are
available
to
support
referrals
from
Community
Partners
In
addition
to
the
hospital
referral.
So
we
were
allowed
to
expand
that
referral
process
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
Community
Partners
in
the
phase
one
and
two
so
so
Western
straight
State
and
Central
State
could
also
make
Community
referrals,
but
we
could
not
use
samsa
dollars
to
pay
for
those
services
So.
M
Currently
in
phase
three
and
four
New
Vista
and
Central
Kentucky
eastern
state
catchment
area,
they're
ready
to
go
and
ready
to
accept
referrals
and
we
will
be
fully
staffed
in
the
second
quarter.
These
regions
kicked
off
their
efforts
with
a
stakeholder
meeting
in
July
and
included
representatives
from
both
hospitals,
as
well
as
the
cmhcs,
along
with
court
personnel
and
Community
Partners.
M
Each
cmhc
will
designate
a
local
aot
coordinator
as
they
come
online
with
the
program
and
they
will
work
with
Community
Partners,
ensuring
that
clients
are
connected
to
the
treatment
services
they
need.
Other
Staffing
requirements
for
the
program
include
clinicians
case
managers
and
related
support
services,
provider
meetings
and
trainings
are
also
now
in
progress.
M
We
also
have
requested
technical
assistance
from
our
national
subject
matter
experts
and
have
received
that
as
well
and
continue
to
keep
them
on
track
to
support
us,
and
so
this
slide
just
breaks
down
those
regions,
and
you
can
see
how
they
break
out.
You
can
see
the
the
black
lines
you
can
see
the
to
the
left.
My
left
at
this
point
is
the
western
state,
the
Jefferson
and
the
purple,
and
the
yellow
would
be
the
Central
State
region.
Then
you
have
Eastern
State
as
well
as
Appalachian
Regional
to
the
right.
M
M
60
no
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
no
individuals
have
been
denied
service
because
of
funding
at
this
point,
these
numbers
do
not
include
community-based
referrals
or
criminal
referrals.
Although
we
do
know
that,
as
of
about
two
weeks
ago,
there
had
been
nine
criminal
referrals
from
the
Jefferson
County
Court
System.
M
The
majority
of
those
served
through
the
grant
are
male
and
white.
Their
primary
diagnosis
are
schizophrenia,
schizoaffective
disorder,
bipolar
disorder
and
they
all
report
that
they're
consistently
taking
their
medications
as
prescribed
they're,
getting
along
with
their
family
and
they're
doing
well
in
social
situations.
M
So
our
next
steps
include
the
provision
of
additional
training
and
technical
assistance
to
courts,
attorneys,
Mental,
Health,
Providers
and
families,
as
well
as
continued
and
ongoing
collaboration
to
continue
implementation
with
our
Community
Partners.
We
will
continue
widespread
public
education
of
aot
through
multiple
venues,
including
the
mental
health,
mental
health,
Summit,
the
Kentucky
prosecutors
conference
and
other
stakeholders
across
the
state.
Our
Central
State
and
western
state
regions
are
very
familiar
with
the
project
and
have
been
in
and
in
indict
in
identifying
appropriate
participants
and
those
numbers.
M
Those
referral
numbers
have
been
growing
and
I
do
want
to
point
out.
The
judge,
Burke's
Court
responses
to
mental
health
and
substance
use
work
Group,
which
is
part
of
the
Kentucky
judicial
commission
on
Mental
Health,
has
closely
reviewed
aot
and
has
fully
supported
the
Statewide
expansion
and
future
initiatives
to
fully
Implement
aot
throughout
the
state,
and
so,
as
always,
we
are
thankful
for
the
legislature's
support
of
Behavioral
Health
Services
for
all
Kentucky
residents,
and
we
just
thank
each
of
you
for
your
time
today.
D
N
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
appreciate
your
report.
It's
provided
a
pretty
good
perspective
and
understanding
on
how
the
how
things
have
been
successful
and
I
do
appreciate
your
efforts.
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
rough
at
the
beginning
to
get
things
up
and
running,
but
that's
true
with
any
of
any
particular
project.
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
for
recognizing
judge,
Burke
she's,
as
they
say,
using
an
old
slang.
N
Word
she's,
the
but
she's
done
a
very,
very
good
job,
I'm,
very
enthusiastic
without
her
leadership
and
stepping
up
to
the
plate.
Don't
think
this
would
be
a
successful
as
it
has
been
so
she's
very,
very
influential
and
has
a
deep
care
and
passion
in
Manhattan
help
with
these
folks
out.
N
You
know:
Senator
Senator
Adams
got
the
ball
ruins
you
say
several
years
ago
and
I
was
blessed
to
take
the
ball
and
make
the
little
expansion.
It's
good
to
hear
it's.
It's
going
quite
well.
I
have
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
relay
from
when
my
conversation
with
judge
Burke
a
little
bit
ago,
but
apparently
she
they
are
looking
at
a
very
potential
expansion
from
the
jails
through
petitions
of
jails.
You
think
that's
going
to
be
really
explosive,
which
means
it's
going
to
come
from
staff
support.
N
N
You
mentioned
about
some
other
states,
I
think
and
Creeper
moms
that
make
making
any
misstatements
here,
but
it
we're
comparing
ourselves
to
New,
York
and
other
states,
we're
doing
quite
well
against
against
what
they're
doing
and
so
forth.
So
once
again,
it
goes
back
to
judge
Burke
and
the
other
judges.
I
know
as
you
all
in
terms
of
getting
things
going
and
so
forth.
She
did
confirm
that
they're,
seeing
around
80
percent,
you
had
86
percent
reduction
in
hospitalization,
which
is
significant,
particularly
particularly
when
it
comes
to
homeless.
N
You
know,
while
Jefferson
County
has
a
significant
problem
with
that
and
allow
those
individuals
on
that
don't
have
or
homeless
have
those
particular
symptoms
so
to
get
them
into
that
process
is
very,
very,
very,
very
important.
So
let
me
just
let
me
ask
you
about
two
things,
one,
the
is
this
correct
about.
One-Third
of
the
participants
are
doing
quite
well
in
the
community,
getting
some
jobs
contributing
about
the
back
to
community.
A
third
I
have
seen
a
Hospital's
has
have
gone
through
her
Hospital
hospitalization.
N
The
reduction
of
arrests
are
down,
but
there
still
needs
to
be
a
whole
lot
more
level.
Support
for
them,
as
well
as
having
a
stronger
Court
influence,
and
then
the
third
is
really
a
mixed
bag.
It's
everything
from
they're
not
stay
on
the
meds
they're
not
hard
to
engage
whatever,
so
is
that
a
sort
of
an
accurate
perspective
perspective
of
how
things
sort
of
shake
out
I.
M
Think
that's
pretty
close
to
Accurate.
You
know
we
always
see
until
you
get
the
right
mix
of
community
supports
for
an
individual,
and
sometimes
that
takes
some
trial
and
error
to
get
them
where
they
need
and
feel
like
they
are
being
supported.
So
that's
not
uncommon
for
us
to
see
some
people
struggle
to
to
get
where
they
need
to
go
so
the
first
time
it
may
not
be
the
right
mix
of
supports
that
happen.
M
So
definitely
that's
that's
a
pretty
normal
breakdown
across
most
patients
who
are
being
treated
for
SMI
that
you
know
some
get
it.
The
first
try
you've
got
the
right
mix
of
of
treatment
and
community
supports,
and
then
you've
got
to
you've
got
to
tweak
it
out
a
little
bit
as
you
move
forward,
just
like
with
any
other
medicine.
Okay,.
N
I
appreciate
that
that
response
I
want
to
come
from
a
moral
Financial
standpoint,
and
if
you
have
this
great,
if
not,
if
you
could
maybe
next
time
you
present
or
just
shoot
me
an
email,
you
mentioned
about
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
per
client
to
get
them
through
this
system.
Obviously,
coming
from
a
perspective
of
Eternal
investment,
you
know:
what's
the
state,
how
what
are
the
states
seeing
in
terms
of
Return
of
these
individuals
in
terms
of
they're
getting
jobs,
they're
coming
more
taxpay
they're
becoming
taxpayers
they're
getting
involved
in
the
community?
N
M
Kind
of
cost
analysis
like
that
would
take
a
significant
period
of
time
as
well,
and
so
when
I
look
at,
for
example,
the
research
from
New
York,
it's
done
over
a
10-year
period.
So
we're
just
really
getting
this.
As
you
said,
the
ball
rolling
and
beginning
to
look
at
those
costs
and
figure
out.
What
is
what
are
those
cost
savings?
But,
yes,
that's
definitely
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
Health
a
health
Economist
is
definitely
you
know.
M
Those
are
some
very
complicated
formulas
that
have
to
be
taken
in
to
consideration
when,
when
you're
looking
at
you
know,
they're
they're
employed
they're,
no
longer
using
hospitalization
they're
no
longer
going
through
the
criminal
system.
So
all
of
those
things
play
together
to
create
to
create
that
actual
cost
savings,
and
so
that's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
time
for
us
to
really
tease
out
once
we
have
enough
of
an
in
the
number
of
people
going
through
the
the
project
and.
N
I
and
I
appreciate
that
some
of
that's
very
concrete
and
some
that's
very
subjective.
A
B
N
But
I
just
want
to
I
just
want
to
end
with
this
Mr
chairman.
That
is
what
you're
doing
and
I
think
judge
Percy.
It's
a
is
a
prime
example
because
it's
basically
called
relationships
and
that's
basically
what
I
think
is
a
key
to
making
sure
that
this
this
program
is
being
so
successful,
so
so
I
would
encourage
y'all
to
make
sure
that's
in
the
forethought
of
your
mind
when
you
come
to
working
this
as
well
as
I
know
that
judge
Burke
and
her
staff
are
doing
that
as
well.
O
Representative
Fleming's
remarks
and
you
know
to
say
that
it
was
a
slow
start.
I
think
is
an
understatement,
because
the
cabinet
was
really
hesitant
to
really
get
this
ramped
up,
even
though
the
legislature
requested
it
to
be
ramped
up
in
the
first
two
years.
O
Jefferson
County
should
have
received
about
two
million
dollars
and
I
know
that
the
cabinet
returned
over
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
that
Grant
back
to
samhsa,
because
it
went
unused
and
I
know
Jefferson
County
delegation,
some
of
the
legislators
got
together
and
met
with
the
secretary
and
requested
that
that
Gap
be
filled
in
with
general
fund
dollars,
which
he
agreed
to
do
so
in
that
first,
two
year
period,
when
Jefferson
County
was
shorted
from
the
samhsa
grant.
What
dollars
did
you
all
use
from
the
cabinet
to
backfill
that.
L
L
First
phase,
but
but
we
were
starting
implementation
as
well
in
in
the
western
part
of
the
state,
but.
O
O
O
That'd
be
great
yes,
yeah
and
I
would
like
to
know
kind
of
where,
where
that,
how
much
was
filled
in
on
that
Gap
and
if
and
if
Jefferson
County
saw
what
they
were,
what
the
Grant
application
said
that
they
would
see
I'd
like
to
know
if,
if
that
had
been
fulfilled,
I.
L
Was
gonna
say
what
what
I
can
say
is
that
we
have
provided?
We
did
provide
funds
to
seven
County
Services
to
provide
services
in
Jefferson
County,
and
at
this
point
no
referrals
have
been
turned
away.
So
every
every
you
know,
every
referral
that's
been
made.
Funds
have
been
provided
to
cover
those
services.
O
You
and
now
we
have
expanded
this
Statewide,
which
is
really
great
because
it
needs
to
you
know
the
rois
is
fabulous.
What
is
your
agency
going
to
request
in
this
year's
budget
for
continuing
this
Statewide
program.
L
O
And
then
my
last
question
is
the
evaluations:
where
are
the
evaluations
occurring,
because
we
see
the
greatest
need
of
evaluations
needing
to
happen
within
the
jail
and
prison
population?
So
you
know,
if
you
a
lot
of
times
we
incarcerate
people
that
don't
need
to
be
incarcerated,
they
need
to
have
this
outpatient
treatment,
and
so
what
is
the
differential?
Where
are
we
having
the
evaluations
in
the
community
versus
one
who
is
incarcerated?.
M
We
have
received
nine
from
the
criminal
court
system
in
Jefferson
County
as
of
about
two
weeks
ago.
Those
were
the
latest
numbers
we
had
received
and
we
you,
as
as
I
mentioned,
those
cannot
be
paid
for
by
the
samsa
grant.
So
those
are
outside
that
that
process,
and
so
we
have
added
money
for
that
Community
with
State
funds.
M
That
would
help
cover
the
cost
of
those,
so
that
is
expanding
and
it
and
again
it
is
that
collaboration,
and
it
is
really
building
up
the
connection
with
our
judges
to
make
sure
that
they
are
making
those
referrals
as
well
I.
Think
most
of
those
referrals
are
coming
from
Judge
Burke's
court
at
this
point
and
the
connections
that
she's
made
and
and
so
as
we
you
know,
continue
to
work
to
to
expand
the
knowledge
of
aot,
then
we
expect
to
see
those
numbers
continue
to
climb
yeah.
O
I
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation.
I
represent
the
75th
District,
which
is
Lexington
Fayette,
County
I
also
practice
this
area
of
law
I
know
that
we
have
many
people
who
are
in
need
of
this
service
in
Fayette
County,
and
you
mentioned
that
the
meeting
had
been
in
July.
When
can
we
expect
Tim's
law
to
be
functional
in
Fayette
County?
They.
M
D
You
all
very
much
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
the
information
today
and
at
this
point
I
guess
we
will
have
our
final
group
make
their
way
to
the
table.
D
D
P
First
I'd
like
to
thank
the
the
co-chairs
for
having
us
here.
My
name
is
Rachel
Bingham
I'm
with
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts.
I
am
the
director
over
the
office
of
Statewide
programs,
which
oversees
our
pre-trial
specialty
courts
and
family
and
juvenile
services
and
I
am
proud
to
introduce
our
newest
executive
officer
of
family
and
juvenile
Services
Ashley
Clark.
Q
Yes,
Ashley
Clark
executive
officer
for
family
juvenile
Services,
which
houses
both
the
Juvenile
Justice
and
child
welfare
programs
within
the
AOC.
P
Thank
you
so
full
transparency.
When
we
had
the
request
to
come
and
testify,
we
had
to
remind
ourselves
about
the
2018
report,
mainly
because
of
all
the
work
that
has
happened
from
the
recommendations
of
the
report
have
been
ongoing
in
the
Child
Welfare
Arena.
So
it
is
really
an
honor
to
be
here
and
to
sit
before
many
of
the
members
of
this
particular
committee
that
have
also
driven
the
work
in
child
welfare
and
and
all
the
efforts
that
have
happened
in
that
space.
P
So
special,
thank
you
to
that
to
to
you
for
your
leadership
in
particular
Senator
Rocky
Adams,
for
her
for
her
work
with
us.
So
we
know
that
the
2018
report
provided
some
very
specific
recommendations
in
collaboration
with
the
community-based
services
and
with
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts.
We
are
here
today
to
speak
about
the
administrative
office
of
the
Court's
piece
on
that,
so
we
really
can't
speak
for
and
wouldn't
speak
for
dcbs,
so
just
wanted
to
kind
of
mention
that
we
also
wanted
to
share
that.
P
You
know
much
of
this
work
has
has
been
something
that
we
saw:
the
evolution
and
the
growth
in
following
Years
Around,
House
Bill,
one
and
a
lot
of
those
efforts.
So
we
just
wanted
to
really
lift
up
those
particulars
in
this
in
this
particular
space,
because
this
is
a
really
broad
topic
that
continually
we're
engaged
with.
We
also
wanted
to
lift
up
the
fact
that
there
are
a
lot
of
collaboratives
that
are
happening
across
our
agencies
between
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
and
the
judicial
branch
and
community-based
services
in
the
executive
branch.
P
Those
are
very
intentional.
They
are
actually
part
of
a
lot
of
our
collaborative
work
and
requirements
through
through
Children's,
Bureau
and
federal
expectations,
and
so
in
addition,
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
a
lot
of
spaces
trying
to
to
Really
lift
up
ways
that
we
can
better
collaborate
and
and
work
to
improve
how
we
are
able
to
really
provide
information
around
Kentucky's
child
welfare
system
and
Foster,
Care
kids
in
particular.
You
all
heard
earlier
mentioned,
and
we
just
wanted
to
reinforce
many
of
you
have
heard
about
Kentucky's
judicial
commission
on
Mental
Health.
P
They
have
a
dependency,
neglect
and
abuse
work
group.
Some
of
you
may
be
participating
or
know
of
people
that
are
participating
in
these
work
groups
with
the
commission.
This
one
has
been
extremely
active
and
successful
in
looking
at
where
we
need
to.
You
know,
really
focus
on
different
contact
points.
This
report
lifted
up
a
couple
of
those
contact
points
through
sequential
intercept
mapping
and
so
they're
still
doing
that
work
in
the
dependency,
neglect
and
abuse
work
group,
and
then
we
just
listed
some
of
the
other
committees
that
are
current
or
have
been
over.
P
Definitely
since
2018
and
oftentimes
way.
Before
that,
just
looking
at
things
like
family
and
juvenile
court
rules,
how
we
collaborate
around
system
sharing
with
our
twist
and
coordinate
and
our
citizen
foster
care
review
boards
and
also
just
how
we
communicate
in
day-to-day
practice
pieces
that
we
can
really
enhance
and
improve.
So
it's
sort
of
a
web
of
things
and
it's
really
hard
when
we
share
our
recommendations
and
outcomes
to
really
pinpoint
one
specific
piece.
You'll
see
that
it's
complex
and
there's
a
lot
of
activities
going
on.
So
we're
excited
to
share
that
information.
Q
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
look
at
three
different
recommendations
that
were
delivered
to
us
and
the
community-based
services
and
the
first
one
was
to
collaborate
together
to
determine
a
reasonable
time
period
for
temporary
custody
orders
and
proposed
legislation,
and
so
in
response
to
that,
we
have
had
multiple
discussions
with
the
cabinet.
As
Rachel
mentioned,
we
have
tons
of
collaborative
meetings,
many
of
those
on
time
frames
on
data,
and
we
have
not
came
to
a
consensus
on
recommendations.
Q
P
It's
really
important
in
this
space
to
note
that
when
we
look
at
in
particular
that
45
day
and
I
know
that
there's
have
been
some
actual
actually
a
data
request
that
we
have
at
AOC
right
now
that
we're
pulling
together
around
this
particular
recommendation,
this
time
frame,
because
it's
really
hard
to
see
in
in
this
particular
Point
how
we
could
unintentionally
impact
other
contact
points
of
permanency,
and
so
it's
being
very
specific
and
intentional
on
what
our
data
is
saying
and
how
it
guides.
P
What
may
be
potential
additional
recommendations:
House
Bill
one
looked
at
other
pieces
and
as
we
referenced
here,
they
very
specifically
looked
at
adjudication,
continuances
and
and
criminal
cases
related
to
DNA
accusations
and
we're
able
to
actually
make
some
changes
on
our
process
through
House
Bill
one.
But
each
time
we're
looking
at
all
of
those
points
and
then
how
they
may
impact
another
point.
P
Q
Those
forms
were
actually
updated
and
released
in
January
of
2021
and
as
a
result
of
the
forms
being
updated.
We
collaborated
with
the
cabinet
and
developed
a
webinar
that
was
shared
with
the
Judiciary
on
their
judicial
education
platform,
just
going
through
the
reasons
why
it's
important,
that
they
utilize
the
AOC
court
forms
and
to
have
consistent
orders
across
the
state.
P
That
information
has
also
been
available.
All
of
our
new
judges
come
on
over
the
last
years.
You
know
we
always
have
that
influx.
Oh
I
thought
I
was
doing
so
good
with
the
mic.
We
always
make
sure
that
we
have
that
information
available
for
our
new
judges,
and
so
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
for
having
the
webinars
as
you
could.
Anticipate
DNA
forms
could
get
a
little
bit
boring,
and
so
this
way
the
judges
are
able
to
to
review
and
take
a
look
at
it,
plus.
Q
And
lastly-
and
these
are
just
a
list
of
efforts
that
we
have-
we
are
actively
involved
in
and
you
can
tell
a
lot
of
them-
involve
both
AOC
and
dcbs.
But
these
are
efforts
that
were
dedicated
to
and
we
will
continue
to
Implement
quality
assurance
measures
to
go
back
and
look
at
what
data
we're
collecting
and
how
we
can
enhance
our
data
collection.
D
O
And
I
don't
know
if
you're
and
thank
you
for
being
here,
I,
don't
know
if
you're
prepared
to
answer
this.
But
years
ago
we
passed
a
pilot
program
to
open
up
Juvenile
Courts
so
that
we
could,
you
know,
start
to
collect
data
and
see
how
that
works.
Do
we
is
that
still
a
practice?
How
is
opening
up
Juvenile
Courts.
P
P
We
did
a
huge
lift
up
on
not
only
doing
surveys
with
with
the
public
and
and
attorneys
and
all
the
court
partners
and
to
be
very
transparent,
did
not
find
any
huge
difference
in
being
able
to
have
it
open
compared
to
the
fact
that
the
judges
had
the
ability
to
open
court
if
they
so
choose,
we
didn't
have
the
Press
showing
up
like
we
anticipated.
P
We
didn't
have
a
lot
of
other
information
gained
from
that
process,
but
we'd
be
happy
to
send
you
those
reports,
because
we
I
mean
we
would
be
happy
to
share
them
just
because
no
one
ever
asked
for
them
and
we
would
be
happy
to
share
them
they're
great
yeah.
It's
a
really
in-depth
look
at
that
whole
process.
Thank
you
for
asking.
C
You
I
have
just
a
question
about
the
utilization
of
forms
and
orders.
Are
there
parameters
or
are
Judges
encouraged
to
enter
their
orders
promptly
and
if
so,
what
would
promptly
be.
P
So
I
would
say
broadly.
My
answer
would
be
yes
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
there's
an
exact
parameter
on
what
that
time
frame
would
look
like
I
can
get
you
some
more
specifics
on
what
the
court
make.
Could
the
Supreme
Court
may
consider
to
be
prompt
and
I'm
going
to
turn
around
to
Nathan
just
to
see
if
I'm
supposed
to
say
anything
else
on
that.
C
I'm
gonna
have
to
follow
up
sure.
The
reason
I
asked
that
is
I
have
personal,
personal
knowledge
of
a
judge
who
waited.
You
know
several
months,
I
think
maybe
as
much
as
six
months
to
enter
an
order
in
one
of
these
kind
of
cases,
and
so
my
concern
was
you
have
a
child
in
limbo
and
we
really
need
to
get
the
judges
I
understand
it's
very
complicated
issues
that
they're
deciding,
but
they
really
need
to
make
those
decisions
promptly.
Whatever
that
might
be.
Thank
you
and.
P
R
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Rachel.
This
question
comes
from
kind
of
a
different
aspect
of
foster
care
in
in
permanent
adoption
and
I
know.
Philosophically
it's
good
to
have
the
priority
to
to
reunite
a
family
and
reality
of
it
is
in
a
lot
of
cases.
That's
not
the
best
thing
for
the
child
and
it
it
oftentimes
seems
that
we
lose
sight
of
that
and
we're
not.
We
don't
have
the
ability
Case
by
case
to
to
make
those
decisions
on
what's
best
for
the
child
and
I
and
I.
R
Can
you
know
family
after
family
that
I
get
messages
from
and
I'm
sure.
My
colleagues
do
also
that
you
know
they've
had
a
kid
two
or
three
years
moms
been
in
and
out
of
prison
for
drugs,
dad's,
not
in
the
picture
and-
and
you
know
that
child
has
developed
a
relationship
with
that
family
and
really
no
question
it's
in
that
child's
best
interest
to
stay
with
that
family.
But
yet
it
drags
on
and
drags
on
and
are
the
core
looking
at.
P
So
I
I
Center
I
appreciate
the
comment,
because
I
think
that
there
is
that
understanding
as
to
whether
or
not
especially
when,
when
a
when
a
child
is
removed
or
when
there's
the
the
dcbs
is
involved,
whether
or
not
they're
looked
at
as
a
concurrent
planning
type
situation,
whether
or
not
it's
looked
at
as
a
reunification,
where
that
looks
where,
where
that
space
looks
like
I'd,
be
happy
to
take
it
back
and
kind
of
look
at
how
we
can
do
that
from
a
court
perspective.
That
is
also
so
much
of
a
front-end
dcbs.
P
You
know
perspective
on
on
how
we
start
that
process.
Let
me
take
it
back
just
to
see
in
concept
what
that
may
look
like
and
bring
that
back.
If,
if
that's
okay
with
you,
because
I
think
that
that's
always
been
a
struggle
in
a
concurrent
situation,
we
would
be
looking
at
possibly
reunification
with
with
the
with
the
potential
that
in
all
actuality,
that
may
not
be
possible,
whereas
in
a
reunification
situation
we're
specifically
looking
at
reunification.
P
So
it
does
depend
on
what
the
permanency
plan
is
as
to
what
that
that
reaction
and
response
and
those
can
vary.
But
I
I
completely
agree
on
the
fact
that
we
see
so
many
individualized
situations
and
they
oftentimes
need
that
individualized
approach
so
I
know
I'm,
not
necessarily
giving
you
what
you
need,
but
let
me
take
it
back
and
kind
of
dissect.
What
might
be
a
study
around?
That
is
a
little
different
in
concept
from
the
court
part.
P
O
R
I
I
just
think
it's
crucial
for
us
to
you
know
we
we
talk
so
much
about
pro-life
and
and
and
wanting
what's
best
for
a
child
and
the
right
to
be
born.
But
you
know
we
sometimes
we
Overlook
I,
think
what's
best
for
the
child
in
their
early
years
in
in
those
kids
that
are
in
the
foster
care
system-
and
you
know,
I've
had
my
my
sister-in-law's
been
through
that
not
in
Kentucky
but
in
Tennessee.
You
know,
I
I
have
a
new
niece.
R
Finally,
but
it
took
several
years
and
a
lot
of
heartache
and
in
that
exact
situation,
mom
in
and
out
of
jail
for
for
drugs
and
and
and
I
saw
what
that
little
girl
went
through
going
back
and
forth,
and
we,
you
know,
the
state
of
Tennessee
did
not
do
that.
Little
girl
any
favors
by
what
they
did
and
I
see
it
here
in
our
state
also
many
times-
and
you
know
I
just
you
know,
as
we
are
more
pro-life
and
and
more
children
being
born
in
our
state.
P
May
I
chairman
may
I
make
a
comment
sure
only
because
I,
as
we
are
also
diving,
more
and
more
into
mental
health
and
and
substance
use
disorder.
I
would
keep
in
mind
too
that
that
recovery
process
for
the
parents,
because
you're
you're
absolutely
correct.
How
do
you
balance
the
recovery
process
and
the
needs
of
of
the
parents
and
then
obviously
the
needs
much
more
immediate
and
shorter
term
for
our
kids?
So
thank
you
so
much.
That's.
S
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I,
just
want
to
kind
of
kind
of
piggyback
on
what
Senator
Carroll
was
saying
and
I
have
a
couple
of
examples.
I'm
sure
everyone
else
here
does
as
well
in
terms
of
a
family
in
our
district
that
has
gone
through
this
and
I've
heard
from
family
after
family
and
parent
after
parent
that
this
is
a
big
deterrent
in
terms
of
finding
foster
care
parents.
They
don't
want
to
get
involved
in
this
process.
S
They
don't
want
to
have
the
years
and
years
and
the
heartache
and
the
heartache
of
watching
children
under
their
care
go
through
this
situation,
and
this
could
be
more
of
a
dcbs
question,
but
is
there
any
type
of
guideline
for
the
judges
to
say
If
the
child?
If,
if
the
goal
is
reunification,
this
is
how
long
we're
going
to
wait
that
that
question
comes
from
actually
some
some
friends
of
mine
in
my
district,
that
they
they
have
a
child.
They
are
fostering.
S
That's
four
years
old,
been
in
their
care
for
three
years,
and
this
child
has
now
been
forced
to
to
have
supervised
visits
with
his
mother.
He
comes
back
traumatized
in
tears
every
single
time
and
every
time
they
go
to
court.
The
judge
continues
to
mandate
these
visits.
The
mom
is
in
and
out
of
jail
in
and
out
of
drugs
in
the
foster
care.
S
Parents
want
to
adopt
this
child
and
give
him
a
normal
life,
and
they
can't
do
it,
and
so
that's
my
question
in
terms
of
a
of
a
judge's
parameters,
are:
are
there
parameters
that
say
look
even
though
this
could
be
the
goal?
How
long
do
we
wait
in
terms
of
saying?
Okay
enough
is
enough.
The
child's
needs
have
to
come.
First.
P
So
so
I
should
first
say
the
caveat.
Is
I'm
not
a
judge,
so
I,
some
of
the
parts
of
that
question
would
be
I
would
I
would
say
refer
to
again
having
a
judge
come
to
speak,
but
I
would
also
say
that
they
are
also
the
the
social
work
in
the
working
case
plan
that's
brought
before
them
is
the
information
that's
guiding,
whether
or
not
or
what
what
that
permanency
decision
may
be.
P
Sometimes
that
also
may
have
to
do
with
the
parameters
around
whether
or
not
that
child
is
eligible
for
adoption,
based
upon
sometimes
an
example,
maybe
early
things
that
maybe
there
wasn't
a
relative
that
was
identified
early
enough
in
the
case
and
then
come
to
find
out.
The
father
appears,
and
they
have
to
have
certain
types
of
visitation
or
there's
there's
so
many
different
things
that
can
happen
during
these
cases.
I
would
suggest
to
bring
them
in
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
about
that
parameter.
P
We
do
have
a
couple
of
pieces
of
having
the
family
court
rules
in
place,
also
being
able
to
those
were
developed,
being
able
to
utilize
National
and
Children's
Bureau,
which
is
our
the
national
and
Administration
to
be
able
to
support
what
is
considered
to
be
timely
and
within
those
parameters.
So
we
can
get
you
that
information.
P
So
you
sort
of
see
what
the
federal
picture
looks
like
in
the
guidance
that
they
give
to
the
states,
and
we
also
have
we
provide
Guardian
Ad
Litem
training
and
really
try
to
also
provide
parent
training
so
that
we
can
give
some
additional
resources
to
those
that
are
representing
those
those
kids
and
the
parents.
So
there's
a
lot
of
pieces,
as
you
know,
to
this
process
and
we're
happy
to
help
to
to
provide
more
education
on
any
of
those
pieces.
S
I
appreciate
that
I
I
do
think
this
is
a
topic
of
course,
that
we
all
care
about
and
I
think
having
a
judge
before
us
would
be
very
helpful
if
you
can
do
that.
I
would
certainly
request
that,
but
just
in
terms
of
our
our
state
in
terms
of
Commonwealth,
we
have
to
get
a
handle
on
this.
This
time
length
in
terms
of
how
long
kids
are
in
foster
care
has
got
to
be
reduced
and
I
I
would
love
to
see
more
parents
become
foster.