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A
A
Aye
motion
carries
total
number
of
items
on
the
agenda
day,
296
in
the
amount
of
82
million
nine
hundred
nine
thousand
six
hundred
and
nine
dollars
and
six
cents
all
vendors
are
registered
with
the
Secretary
of
State's
office.
Next
is
the
Deferred
list,
which
is
from
the
August
PSC
Amendment
list
in
the
October
MOA
and
MOA
Amendment
list.
A
E
F
G
F
D
Sure
the
amendment
is
the
current
Amendment
at
our
last
meeting
and
the
request
was
to
add
a
project
due
date
to
the
amendment,
and
we
did
add
language.
That
says
that
the
project
will
be
managed
based
upon
the
project
plan
and
which
shall
determine
deadlines
and
deliverables
and
will
be
managed
by
the
Personnel
cabinet.
D
This
lace
amendment
was
just
the
language
we
had
an
amendment
before
this
to
amend
the
80
000
contract,
to
add
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
additional
work
by
corn,
Ferry
and
then
based
upon
the
comments
of
the
committee
by
Senator
Southworth.
She
had
asked
for
a
due
date
or
language
thereof,
to
be
added
to
the
amendment,
and
so
we
amended
again
to
add
language
based
upon
the
project
plan.
D
That
is
just
that
is
a
recommended:
a
set
amount
that
corn
Ferry
recommends
based
upon
all
of
our
job
families.
F
F
D
It's
for
them
to
do
we
they
they
take
the
100
jobs
and
do
Benchmark
analysis
on
those
to
ensure
that
that
my
staff,
when
they
are
reviewing
the
jobs
that
it's
you
know
it
is
that
we
are
following
the
methodology
correctly,
that
we
are
applying
that,
and
so
we
can
then
go
back
and
we
can
do
our
own
analysis
on
that
job
and
see
if
we're
coming
up
with
that
same
grade
or
score.
So.
D
Okay,
explain
to
me:
okay,
100
was
was
the
first
Benchmark
and
so
and-
and
that
has
that
has
been
done,
and
so
now
we're
asking
them
to
to
help
us
complete
this
whole
analysis
of
the
project,
all
1200,
so
we've
asked
them
to
come
in
and
assist
us
with
300,
more
jobs.
F
F
So
what's
happened
over
the
last
almost
20
years
now
that
we
brought
the
footprint
of
government
where
we
got
100
more
positions
than
we
had
in
2005.
D
It's
not
a
hundred
more.
No,
this
is
a
benchmark
job
class.
We
always
ranged
around
between
11
50
and
1200
12
25
jobs,
job
classifications-
and
this
is
this-
is
our
customary
review
that
we
do.
H
I
D
Takes
at
least
three
years
to
finish
the
whole
complete
project
so
when
they
were
here
previously
again,
they
did
the
same
Benchmark
analysis.
We
went
back
and
did
a
complete
review
of
the
job
classifications,
and
so
in
that,
in
between
time
we
are
still
working
with
the
agencies.
We
are
still
creating
new
jobs.
We
are
still
we
are
still
amending
and
abolishing
job
classifications
in
in
doing
the
work.
The
agencies
need
us
to
do
to
you
know
to
continue
as
that,
so
they
can
meet
the
mission
of
their
organizations.
Well,.
F
I
appreciate
the
explanation,
and
you
know
my
concern
is
still
the
same:
I
had
the
last
two
months.
We've
talked
about
this
and
I
think
it's
an
outdated
Antiquated
system
that
allows
so
corn
ferry
to
perpetuate
their
relationship
with
the
Commonwealth
and
add
insult
to
injury.
It's
based
out
of
California.
You
know
my
concern
about
that,
but
that's
all
the
questions
I
have
Mr
chair.
J
If
corn
fairy
is
doing
a
review
and
we're
right
in
the
middle
of
this
three-year
process.
Of
only
once
a
decade
happens,
and
this
is
2022
and
a
lot
of
people
have
been
working
remote
and
there's
the
back
and
forth
of
who
should
be
and
who
shouldn't
be.
Are
the
job
classifications
right
now
already
including
recommendations
or
ability
to
work
remotely
as
a
piece
of
this,
or
is
this
not
being
included
or
it
will
be
getting
included
soon?
Or
can
we
get
them
to
include
that?
No.
D
E
As
far
as
the
duties
of
the
position
go,
which
is
part
of
the
corner,
Fair
review
Hillary
really
involves
the
an
employee
working
from
a
different
workstation,
but
but
their
duties
of
the
job
remain
the
same,
whether
they're
in
a
building
or
or
at
a
remote
location.
But.
D
J
Okay
and
I
understand:
that's
not
you
know
in
their
wheelhouse,
but
I
feel
like
at
some
point.
Apparently,
you
know,
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
lack
of
understanding
of
what's
a
remotable
job
or
what's
not
a
remotable
job,
and
in
this
in
this
day
and
age,
we're
going
to
have
to
start
tagging
that
on
all
these
different
positions,
it
seems
like
to
me
so
far.
It's
been
either
blanket
or
not,
based
on
the
work
at
all,
based
on
some
other
kind
of
criteria.
J
Like
you
know,
Public
Health
Department
really
doesn't
have
much
authority
over
whether
a
job
can
be
done
in
a
certain
way
or
not,
but
those
kind
of
things
need
to
be
reviewed,
I
think
as
we're
going
through
each
of
these
jobs
and
I
know.
You
know
an
auditor
in
this
office
an
otter
in
that
office
still
the
same
idea
of
how
much
experience
and
interaction
are
they
going
to
have
with
other
people?
Do
they
manage
people?
J
Implement
but
I
obviously
want
to
put
pressure
on
getting
this
done.
Timely
I
know
you're,
trying
to
add
money,
but
they're
super
expensive,
so
we're
going
to
blow
through
200
000,
really
fast,
I,
just
guess.
My
final
question
is:
when
are
we
going
to
get
an
update
if
the
end
of
the
year
deadline
is
met
or
not
met,
or
if
we
get
behind
on?
Are
we
getting
these
done
for
our
study
for
are
hopeful
by
the
end
of
the
year?
Whatever
your
list
was.
D
J
J
A
A
A
A
A
J
Yes,
I
was
making
a
motion
to
approve
the
ivory
number
34.
A
K
A
Welcome
back,
let's
see
we
have
good.
F
K
We
are
really
trying,
because
we
believe
that
project-based
learning
is
a
is
a
huge
important
thing
for
all
students.
It
provides
them
a
more
Hands-On
approach
to
their
learning
and
so
we're
using
this
particular
Grant
project
to
help
us
to
scale
that
up
or
spread
it
among.
This
is
primarily
a
teacher
professional
development
program,
so
we're
trying
to
train
teachers
on
how
to
teach
in
a
project-based
learning
environment.
K
You'll
probably
have
to
ask
the
institutions
of
higher
education
Mr
Center,
because
our
role
is
to
is
to
try
to
make
sure
K-12
teachers
are
are
prepared
to
teach
this
way.
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do.
F
K
K
F
You
know
the
way
I
see
it
as
a
result
of
the
failing
or
post-secondary
education
system,
we're
having
to
spend
5.7
million
dollars
to
put
this
program
in
place,
plus
that
doesn't
incorporate
the
the
cost
of
training
teachers
to
to
do
this
supposed
new
system.
So
the
price
tag
is
not
going
to
just
be
5.7,
it's
going
to
be
substantially
higher
and
it's
a
redundant
expense
at
this
something
our
post-secondary
education
system
should
be
doing
anyway.
F
The
and
the
other
objection
that
I'll
have
and
I'm
sure
you
folks
have
noted
before
it
comes
from
California
and
I've
got
a
concern
about
that
yeah.
That's
all
I
have
Mr
chair,
senator.
C
K
Are
we
talking
about
so
we're
talking
about
training
at
all
levels
of
the
system,
so
teacher
training,
principal
training
and
District
administrator
training?
So
what
this
is
about
is
training
teachers
on
the
aspects
of
what
a
quality
project-based
learning
experience
looks
like,
so
that
they
can
go
back
into
their
classrooms
and
train
and
teach
their
students
in
this.
It's
not
a
different.
It's
not
different
content.
It's
a
different
way
of
teaching
the
content.
C
So
why
are
they
going
to
post-secondary?
Why
do
they
have
post-secondary
education
if
we're
going
to
train
them
to
do
something
different
after
they've
already
finished
learning
what
they're
supposed
to
have
learned
to
do
the
job
that
they're
trying
to
do
or
they're
being
asked
to
do?
I'm
I'm,
having
like
Senator
Meredith
I'm,
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble
here,
because
it's
almost
as
if
we're
saying
okay
in
your
post-secondary
training,
they're,
not
doing
it
right!
So
we're
going
to
add
something
in
here,
because
we
want
you
to
do
a
little
bit
different
I.
K
Don't
think
that
we're
saying
that
they're
doing
it
wrong
I
think
that
we're
saying
that
every
day,
there's
there's
new
and
and
better
ways
to
teach-
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
way
that
can
be
added
on
to
a
teacher's
Baseline,
the
way
the
the
training
they
get
in
their
undergraduate
program.
This
is
simply
an
a
an
additional
element.
K
No
teachers
being
required
to
do
this.
It's
just
something
that
teachers
want
to
do.
They
want
to
have
this
additional
tool
set
of
tools
to
help
particularly
get
to
students
who
aren't
getting
it
the
traditional
way
that
they
learned
in
their
in
their
preparation
program.
So
it's
not
that
they're
getting
wrong
information
in
their
prep
program.
It's
that
there's
new
additional
ways
to
teach
every
day
and
we're
just
trying
to
get
teachers
to
to
that
place.
C
So
we're
not
suggesting
that
the
old
stuff
doesn't
work.
Number
first
question
second:
question:
we've
got
teachers
who
are
already
overburdened
and
I
think
we
can
all
agree
on
that.
Who
already
are
asking
for
more
money
because
they
are
overburdened
and
maybe
I'm,
maybe
I'm,
seeing
this
wrong.
But
are
we
going
to
ask
them
to
do
more
things
to
add
more
things
on
their
plate
to
teachers
that
are
already
overburdened
to
a
student
population
which
isn't
getting
what
we're
giving
them
now.
C
And
I
apologize
because
I
said:
I
was
going
to
shut
up
and
I.
Didn't
my
concern.
Is
that
sometimes
the
reasons?
Don't
the
reasons
the
students
don't
get?
It
is
because
they
have
different
ways
of
learning.
We
can
agree
on
that
correct,
correct,
sometimes
the
reasons
the
students
don't
get.
It
is
because
there
is
too
much
on
their
plate
for
them
to
be
able
to
digest.
K
So
I
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
what
you
just
said
again:
I
think
when
a
student
doesn't
get
it,
it
behooves
us
to
help
teachers
figure
out
better
ways
to
teach
that
particular
student
right.
The
student-
that's
not
getting
it
and
if
a
student
is
not
getting
it
in
the
in
the
traditional
ways,
we've
always
taught.
K
Why
don't
we
try
something
where
the
student
gets
an
opportunity
to
demonstrate
their
learning
in
a
way
different
than
the
traditional
way
of
learning?
So
maybe
it
is
a
better
way
for
that
student.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
help
teachers
lighten
their
load
by
giving
them
better
ways
to
address
the
needs
of
those
students
who
aren't
getting
it
in
the
traditional
way.
C
Well,
maybe
you're
talking
to
different
teachers
that
I'm
talking
to
because
I'm
not
getting
them
telling
me
that
this
is
lightening
their
load,
I'm
I'm,
getting
them
telling
me
that
they
are
having
more
they're
being
presented
with
more
diverse
ways
to
teach
a
larger
number
of
students
in
their
class,
and
they
don't
have
time
to
do
this.
So
my
concern
is
down
the
road.
C
Are
we
then
going
to
be
asked
to
fund
for
more
teachers
or
more
teacher
aides
to
be
able
to
cover
the
extra
things
that
our
current
teachers,
who
are
already
overburdened,
can't
handle
for
students
who
aren't
able
to
integrate
what
they're
being
taught
now
and
I?
Just
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
as
my
concern
in
terms
of
throwing
more
things
into
the
stew
when
no
one
likes
to
Stew
as
it
is.
J
Thank
you,
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions,
one
is
have
you
or
does
the
KDE
have
communication
with
CPE
when
they're
reviewing
the
programs
for
education
in
the
various
universities
we.
K
J
K
J
Have
to
talk
to
them?
Well,
I
just
want
to
try
to
get
to
the
bottom,
because
I
mean
that's.
Usually
always
the
question
I
feel
like
I
think
everybody
is
in
Senator
Douglas's
words
dissatisfied
with
the
stew
and
so
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
get
there
instead
of
just
piecemeal
and
constantly,
but
what
I
want
to
kind
of
go
back
to?
J
Is
the
project-based
learning
actually
I
get
a
little
confused
about
this,
because
I've
heard
project-based
learning
and
then
it
usually
goes
along
with
things
like
Chromebooks
requirements
and
I,
just
I
really,
everybody
should
know
at
this
point
I'm,
so
against
Chromebooks
in
the
classroom.
It's
not
even
funny,
and
my
understanding
of
project-based
learning
is
like
unit
studies
or
back
when
I
was
in
preschool
Montessori
style
learning
it
to
me.
K
Think
what
I
would
I
would
say
is
a
clarification,
Center
Southworth.
Is
it
it's
new
in
the
in
the
sense
of
sort
of
creating
a
movement
to
get
all
more
teachers
into
it?
I
could
go
to
I
could
have
gone
10
years
ago
to
classroom
after
classroom
after
classroom
and
seen
project-based
learning
happening.
We
just
never
have
thought
about.
How
do
we
get
more
teachers
who
don't
have
it
in
their
toolkit,
get
it
into
their
toolkit?
So
the
point
of
saying
that
it's
new
is
that
it's
new
as
a
as
a
Statewide
sort
of
program.
K
To
get
this
to
happen.
We've
talked
about
it
in
my
world
for
a
long
time
and
we
have
teachers
and
have
had
teachers
constantly
using
it.
But
your
your
description
of
it
is
what
this
is
about.
This
particular
program
is
about
teaching
teachers
how
to
engage
students
in
very
application,
based
ways
of
taking
knowledge
that
they've
gained
and
designing
whether
it's
building
something
or
writing
something
or
connecting
and
aligning
content
together,
math
and
English,
and
math
and
science,
and
all
of
those
things
in
a
way
that
allows
them
to
present
to
both
their
teacher.
K
J
I
certainly
I
like
the
intent
on
this.
The
intent
that
I'm
hearing
is
instead
of
teachers,
picking
a
unit
study
off
the
Facebook
group.
That
makes
us
all
dance
around
teepees
like
Indians,
that's
not
really
learning,
and
so
we
actually
need
to
figure
out
how
to
put
some
real
content
into
these
things
and
figure
out
how
to
marry
up
content
and
activities
so
that
we're
actually
making
sure
this
stuff's
sticking
as
kids
move
forward
in
their
adult
lives.
I
love
that
intent.
J
You
know,
I
am
consistently
underwhelmed
by
the
results.
I
see
and
I'm
not
sure
that
adding
an
extra
unit
study
or
even
an
understanding
of
how
to
develop
a
better
unit
study
is
going
to
get
us
out
of
the
grave
of
less
than
50
Proficiency
in
like
every
subject.
J
J
Maybe
we
can
get
people
to
better
understand
that
teaching's,
not
just
it's
not
easy,
but
I
know
it's
everybody's
got
different
layers,
but
if
we
could
maybe
focus
in
on
the
communication
with
CPE
to
get
after
2024
rolling
into
helping
teachers
getting
thicker
pedagogy
classes,
that'd
be
amazing.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
M
F
Certainly
three's
always
charm
in
120
and
121
I
want
to
speak
about
those
together
because
they
appear
to
be
addressing
the
same
issues
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
and
what
caught
my
attention
is.
Obviously,
emergency
assistance
to
non-public
schools,
so
I
guess.
My
first
question
is
since
they're
non-public
schools:
how
are
they
interacting
with
our
public
school
system?
Are
they
requesting
assistance
or
houses
how's?
This
program
working
thank.
M
You
Senator
Meredith
and
thank
you
to
the
chair
and
the
co-chair
for
allowing
us
to
defer
these
contracts
from
the
last
meeting.
This
program
is
part
of
the
emergency
assistance
to
non-public
schools.
It
was
a
federal
appropriation
as
part
of
a
response
to
the
coronavirus
pandemic.
You
may
be
familiar
with
funds
that
also
came
to
our
Public
Schools,
but
this
program
was
specifically
targeted
for
non-public
schools.
M
Traditionally,
our
local
school
districts
work
with
non-public
schools
for
other
federal
dollars
that
come
to
them.
That
is
part
of
Equitable
Services.
However
Congress.
When
they
pass
the
funding
for
this
appropriation,
they
decided
that
it
wouldn't
work
the
same
way,
so
they
have
charged
with
our
state
education
agencies,
which
would
be
KDE
to
actually
administer
this
program
for
non-public
schools.
M
So
this
appropriation
and
we
have
two
contracts
we
have.
They
are
both
with
the
Ohio
Valley
educational
Cooperative,
who
is
an
educational
Cooperative
that
assists
they
are
recognized
by
Kentucky
statute
and
they
assist
with
lots
of
things
as
it
relates
to
our
non
our
Public
Schools.
But
in
this
case
they
are
helping
us
to
administer
this
program
for
the
non-public
schools.
M
So
we
did
go
through
an
application
process
where
our
non-public
schools
would
actually
request
funding
from
this
pot
of
money.
We
went
through
a
review
process
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
of
the
act
and
that's
how
schools
were
selected
to
be
beneficiaries
and
to
receive
an
award
from
this
pot.
M
There
are,
there
are
some
differences.
This
is
our
second
round
of
Ian's
funding,
our
first
AIDS
funding.
It
was,
we
call
it
shorthand
ends
one,
and
this
is
for
ends.
Two.
M
M
So,
to
answer
your
question:
Senator
Meredith,
that's
how
our
non-public
schools
have
access
to
this
funding
they
actually
applied.
They
went
through
a
review
process.
They
are
awarded
a
certain
amount
of
funds
for
each
School
based
upon
certain
criteria
and
then
we're
asking
ovac
to
help
us
to
administer
this
Fund
in
the
program.
F
Appreciate
that
ex
the
explanation,
once
these
schools
receive
the
funding,
is
there
any
type
of
follow-up
from
the
Department
of
Education
is
to
the
effective
use
of
these
funds?
Sure.
M
The
the
department
actually
is
still
charged
with
oversight
of
all
the
funds.
These
funds,
like
many
federal
dollars,
they
are
reimbursement
based.
So
we
do
not.
We
do
not
provide
funding
in
advance
for
these
funds
under
ends
too
a
little
bit
different
than
ends
one.
We
actually
don't
even
reimburse
really.
We
actually
are
charged
to
procure
this
service.
For
them
we
pay
the
bills
on
their
behalf.
We
and
I'm
saying
we,
but
it's
this
partnership
that
we
have
with
ovac.
They
are
actually
doing
this
work
for
us,
so
they
are
procuring
the
services.
M
M
Dollars
are
not
actually
hitting
any
of
the
non-public
schools
in
ends,
too.
All
that
the
payment
of
the
bills,
the
payment
for
the
commodity,
is
actually
being
managed
by
ovac,
with
oversight
from
the
Department
of
Education.
Do.
M
How
many
applications
we
have
59
schools,
non-public
schools
that
are
participating
in
Inns
too
so
various
sizes
across
the
Commonwealth
impacting
about
12
000
students.
F
M
They
have
to
meet
certain
criteria
under
the
act.
The
non-public
school
Under
ends.
2
has
to
have
a
enrollment
population
of
low-income
students
of
of
20
percent
or
more,
and
they
have
to
be.
They
had
to
be
in
existence
as
of
March
13
2020,
so
they
were
already
schools
in
existence
as
of
the
date
they
have
to
be.
M
They
have
to
follow
state
law,
to
the
extent
that
there
is
state
law
that
governs
those
non-public
schools
and
I'm,
trying
to
think
if
I've
left
anything
out,
but
they
went
through
the
process
of
application
scoring
and
then
award
based
upon
their
enrollment
and
making
sure
that
they
met
the
criteria
of
the
ACT.
F
M
F
M
Sir,
the
the
funds
from
that
from
this
from
ends
do
allow
for
funding
of
positions
that
support
this
work.
I
A
F
C
I
vote
May,
but
I
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote.
Please.
Yes,
sir
I
know
these
are
federal
funds
and
so
they're
kind
of
out
there
for
everyone
to
be
using
and
and
I
think
that
it
sounds
really
great.
But
my
concern
is
with
the
continuing
growing
not
only
of
our
federal
bureaucracy,
but
also
with
the
challenges
that
we
have
trying
to
rein
in
some
of
the
state.
Spending
and
and
expansion
of
our
state
government,
I
I
guess
I
feel
just
because
the
money
is
there.
C
That
we
shouldn't
be
always
taking
it.
The
money
comes
from
the
taxpayers
I'm.
Just
explaining
this
vote.
I
feel
the
money
is
coming
from
the
taxpayers
and
the
taxpayers
really
want
us
to
be
their
advocates
in
how
this
money
is
distributed
and
whether
or
not
it
needs
to
be
distributed
or
go
to
certain
causes
and
Mr
chairman
I
I,
just
don't
feel
right
just
because
money
is
there
that
we
should
use
it.
Thank
you.
F
Explain
my
vote
since
I
made
the
emotion
wrote
eye
on
this
and
I
share
a
lot
of
central
Douglas's
sentiment,
but
I
do
appreciate
that
this
is
targeted
towards
our
most
economically
disadvantaged,
and
you
know
we
consider
a
lot
of
contracts
and,
in
the
course
of
a
year
here
and
I've,
always
thought.
We've
been
remiss
that
we
haven't
focused
more
on
the
core
problem:
that's
causing
many
societal
issues
and
that's
poverty
in
in
a
backward
sort
of
way.
F
A
A
Abode
I
motion
moves
forward.
Okay,
thank
you
all
excellent
testing.
Thank
you.
Next
order,
business
is
consideration.
The
agenda,
including
the
Deferred
List
personal
service
contract,
lists,
personal
service
contract,
Amendment
list
memorandum,
agreement,
List
member
and
of
agreement,
Amendment
list
and
Kentucky
entertainment
incentive
program,
agreement
list
and
the
corrections
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
consider
the
contracts
reviewed
without
objection.
A
A
Hi
chairman
cook
aye
motion
carries
okay
before
we
got
on
to
the
next
part.
Here
it
is
9
45,
already
five
minutes
to
get
into
the
third
list.
So
just
morning
to
the
committee,
we
need
to
pick
up
our
Pace
a
little
bit.
Okay,
first
item
the
polled
list
with
the
Kentucky
Community
Technical
College
system.
These
are
number
six
and
seven
on
the
routine
PSC
green
list.
That's
Kentucky,
Community,
Technical,
technical
college
system,
six
and
seven
routine
PSC
green
list.
A
N
J
Thank
you,
I
am,
let's
see
starting
on
number
six.
We
were
on
the
analysis
and
compensation
study
and
my
concern
I
was
trying
to
think
through.
We
have
a
group
here,
that's
based
out
of
Chicago.
That
seems
to
me
Nationwide
and
it's
my
understanding.
J
Some
of
the
people
working
on
this
project,
though,
are
from
Kentucky,
but
I
want
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
the
people
that
are
suggesting
what
is
a
good
pay
skill,
the
people
that
are
suggesting
how
we
should
be
more
diverse
and
inclusive,
or
whatever
else
we've
got
all
going
on
here.
I
I
have
concerns
about
you
know
the
people
that
preach
diversity
understand
everybody
else,
the
least
and
we've
got
people.
We've
got
a
variety
of
cultures
and
subcultures
in
Kentucky.
That
concerns
me.
A
lot
of
the
national
outfits
do
not
understand.
G
N
So
this
group
really
grilled
this
group
of
vendors,
as
well
as
the
other
bidders
to
this
process,
to
make
sure
exactly
what
you're
saying
is
carried
out
in
this
project.
We
don't
want
someone
coming
in
telling
us
what
we
need
to
do
to
make
us
more
appealing
to
the
rest
of
the
world.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
what
they're
doing
is
going
to
help
our
colleges.
Our
presidents
and
our
system
office
provide
the
best
service
to
kentuckians
and
here
on,
by
far
met
that
bar.
J
I
appreciate
that,
because
that's
pretty
much
I
mean
we're
relying
on
you.
N
And-
and
we
take
our
job
as
fiduciaries
of
this
system
extremely
seriously
and
I-
think
that
that's
why
we're
here
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
Stu
today
and
soup
today.
Imagine
trying
to
make
that
soup
16
different
ways
across
the
state
on
70
different
campuses.
You
want
to
really
muddy
the
waters.
That's
the
way
to
do
it,
so
this
resource,
optimization
committee
has
charged
president
zarapada.
N
The
entire
board
has
unanimously
supported
this
project
for
the
last
nine
months
and
has
moved
this
project
to
the
top
of
our
priority
list
to
ensure
that
our
tax
dollars
are
being
spent
in
a
system
that
is
giving
Kentucky
taxpayers
and
students
the
best
return
on
their
investment
possible.
We
see
that
there
is
a
lot
of
room
for
improvement
in
efficiencies
across
the
system
and
that
things
aren't
really
done
the
way
that
they
were
done
20
years
ago.
N
N
Kctcs
is
the
best
example
of
money
well
spent
in
Kentucky,
because
we
do
get
people
into
the
workforce
very
quickly
with
credentials
that
bring
them
up
and
out
of
poverty,
and
so
we
see
this
project
as
a
huge
investment
in
Kentucky's
future
and
the
return
on
this
investment
is
going
to
be
three
to
five
times
this.
We
believe
in
the
next
five
to
ten
years.
So
you
know
historically-
and
please
forgive
me-
Educators
in
the
room
education
tends
to
work
on
these
long-term
five
to
ten
year
strategic
plans.
N
I
would
not
say
that
we
necessarily
have
16
distinct,
different
cultures
here,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
the
needs
of
the
communities
that
kctcs
serves
are
very
diverse
and
we
need
a
system
that
is
agile
to
those
needs,
and
we
believe
that
Huron
is
going
to
give
us
the
data.
We
need
to
move
the
entire
State
forward.
A
F
A
J
Yes,
so
a
little
bit
of
the
same
theme
so
now
we're
in
Georgia
and
we've
got
a
group
that
can
tell
us
how
to
be
the
the
diversity
Equity
inclusion,
Buzz
phrase
that
I'm
pretty
much
I,
don't
like
that
buzz
phrase,
because
it's
a
buzz
phrase
we're
doing
an
assessment,
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
understand
how
we
have
a
group
in
Georgia
able
to
thoroughly
assess
the
Kentucky
all
the
little
minutian
subcultures
and
stuff
here,
because
if
you
look
at
a
national
viewpoint,
it's
like
check
these
boxes.
J
That
makes
you
qualify
for
you
know,
put
the
star
on
your
badge
to
say
you
do
it,
you
did
it
and
I
don't
find
that
that
matches
anything.
My
experience
here
in
Kentucky,
so
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
is
how
this
hundred
and
fifty
four
thousand
dollars
review
is
going
to
get
us
anywhere.
J
O
Yeah
I
think
this
is
not
necessarily
on
I.
You
know
the
contract
reads
a
lot
about
Dei,
but
I.
Think
for
us
internally,
it's
more
about
welcoming
and
inclusive
so,
and
the
study
starts
out
in
the
system
office,
so
it
it
does
not
cover
the
16
colleges.
So
it's
really
looking
at
how
does
the
system
office
create
an
inclusive
environment
so
that
we
can
then
help
the
colleges?
So
there
are
four
aspects
to
the
study.
O
O
So
right
now
at
kctcs
we
have
probably
about
six
buckets
of
positions
that
are
very
hard
to
attract
clinical,
some
of
our
professors
and
faculty
and
their.
When
you
put
out
a
job
description,
there
could
be
some
things
in
that
job
description
that
keep
certain
people
from
applying
for
those
particular
jobs,
and
so
we
want
to
the
most
important
thing
to
me
again
is
to
have
this
organization
tell
us:
are
there
policies
and
procedures
that
we
have
within
kctcs?
O
J
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like
maybe
it's
a
more
focused
on
policy
and
procedure
review
which
I
I
can't
recall
for
sure,
but
I
feel
like
there
was
a
disaster
policy
I
got
made
aware
of
maybe
around
a
year
ago,
or
so
that
did
get
fixed
and
I.
Don't
remember
the
topic
exactly,
but
those
always
need
to
be
reviewed.
Is
there
not
a
committee
already
in
the
school
system
that
is
in
the
kctcs
system?
J
That
is
always
kind
of
you
know
the
bylaws
committee
or
whatever,
that
does
periodic
reviews
of
those
type
things
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
as
far
as
you
know,
are
we
implicitly
biasing?
But
my
big
question
for
this
outfit
out
of
Georgia
is:
do
they
understand
implicit
bias,
because
you
know
personal
example
I'm
in
law
school,
my
law
school
has
extreme
bias
against
what
what
you
would
consider
to
be
people
that
have
civil
rights
right?
Why
is
that
going
on
and
the
bias
outfit
isn't
even
solving
it.
So
it's
like.
J
Are
these
people
biased
in
their
biasedness?
You
know
so,
just
like.
How
do
you
solve
these
things?
I
think
at
same
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
have
to
just
pass
it
around
to
a
whole
lot
of
sets
of
eyes.
It
doesn't
really
matter
if
they're
from
Georgia,
but
why
not
just
have
them
be
from
Kentucky,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
different
people
here.
We
can
get
that
where
we
need
it
here,.
H
I
I
think
some
of
the
concerns
are
it's
the
same
sets
of
eyes
that
are
looking
at
these
things
and
the
changes
just
don't
happen.
This
organization,
if
I'm
correct,
did
some
work
at
Jefferson
in
Louisville,
they
attribute
the
leadership
there
and
and
some
others
at
the
college
attribute
some
of
their
large
gains
in
the
urm
enrollment
to
what
this
company
did.
I
don't
know
the
details
specifically,
but
they
do
have
a
great
reputation
and
we
are
having
trouble
recruiting
and
retaining
Talent
right
now.
O
J
F
Sir,
you
know
you
look
at
the
the
company.
The
title
is
Center
for
strategic
University
and
contract
type
is
equity,
inclusion,
diversity
and
contract
description
talks
about
it
again.
So
we
can't
say
this
isn't
about
Equity
inclusion
and
diversity,
but
I
guess
do
we
need
any
knowledge
that
our
Kentucky
Community
Technical
College
system
is
plagued
with
issues
of
equity,
inclusion
and
diversity.
H
F
O
I
think
the
part
of
our
issue
is
about
pay,
and
that
goes
back
to
the
comp
study.
So
what
we're
seeing
is
pay
is
an
issue,
but
I
think
this
is
more
about
opening
up
the
applicant
pool
to
broader
applicants
that
we
don't
know
if
we
are
doing
anything
that
may
be
prohibiting
that
so,
for
example,
job
descriptions
or
when
you
go
out
to
a
plot
or
when
you
go
to
apply
for
a
position,
are
there
things
where
we
may
require
education
or
higher
education
degrees?
O
That
a
particular
position
may
not
need
those,
so
you
could
be
eliminating
candidate
pools
from
applying,
and
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
I
personally
hope
that
this
study
looks
at
I.
To
me,
this
is
not
about
the
diversity
piece
of
it,
which
it
is
by
bipartisan,
it's
more
about
by
it's
more
about.
F
Well,
I
guess
that
kind
of
echo
center
southwest
cinnamon
here
is
a
few
suspicion
that
there's
a
problem.
Why
aren't
we
just
asking
our
students
and
asking
our
current
employees
and
father
lead
because
I
know
what's
going
to
happen
here?
You
know
by
virtue,
in
the
name
of
the
of
the
company
they're
going
to
come
back
and
they're
going
to
tell
you
yeah
you've
got
issues
with
diversity,
Equity
inclusion.
I
F
What
happens
then?
Well
then
you're
going
to
engage
Consultants
who
come
in
and
do
a
massive
overhaul
of
your
policies
or
procedures,
your
job
descriptions,
which
is
going
to
cost
more
and
more
money,
then
they're
going
to
come
back
and
say:
you've
got
to
train
your
staff
and
even
your
students
that
we're
addressing
these
issues
and
that
Inception
costs
more
and
more
money.
So
this
isn't
simply
154
thousand
dollars.
I
would
imagine
it
could
help
me
be
a
multi-million
dollar
project
and
it
looks
like
I
haven't
heard
anything
the
date
suggests
suggested.
F
F
Well
again,
it's
the
totality
of
the
project.
I
wish
you
could
say
you're
just
going
to
spend
154
000
I
think
it
would
be
better
span,
but
it's
going
to
be
substantially
more
than
that
and
until
somebody
can
tell
me
you
know
how
much
this
whole
thing's
going
to
cost
us
I
I,
don't
know
that
I
can
support
it.
Aside
from
that,
you
haven't
convinced
me
today
that
the
the
issues
with
recruitment
are
related
directly
to
this.
F
If
it
is
one
percentage,
I
guess
that's
what
we're
going
to
have
the
state
to
tell
us,
but
it's
like
we're
like
we're
getting
the
cart
before
the
horse
and
I.
Think
it's
much
more
simplistic
than
that.
A
F
I
guess,
unless
they
want
me
to
engage
in
a
Consulting
contract,
you
know,
I
can
tell
you
how
to
fix
this
thing.
Quite
truthfully,
it's
not
that
complicated.
It
goes
back
to
the
values
and
vision
of
any
entity,
even
our
our
community
college
system
and
it's
as
simple
as
you
have
as
part
of
your
value
values
that
we're
all
gonna
love
one
another
and
we're
going
to
treat
our
neighbors
like.
F
It's
window
dressing.
We
have
to
understand
that
you're
never
going
to
change
the
culture
of
an
organization
to
change
the
hearts
of
men
and
women,
and
this
doesn't
address
any
of
that
and
never
will
we're
missing
the
target
you're
going
to
spend
millions
of
dollars
and
and
tell
you
it's
not
going
to
be
effective.
O
Think
they're,
so
they
have
agreed
to
look
at
10
to
12
of
our
procedures
and
policies.
I
personally
want
them
to
look
at
some
of
the
things
that
I
talked
about.
I
would
think
that
we
need
to
discover
with
them.
What
are
the
additional
policies
and
procedures
that
we
have
so,
for
example,
could
it
be
in
our
corrective
action?
Could
it
be
in
our
Performance
Management?
So
there
are
many
things
that
impact
our
employees,
that
I
think
we're
looking
for
implicit
bias
in
those
types
of
policies
and
procedures.
J
We
need
to
figure
out
these
job
descriptions
that
we're
asking
for
I
have
seen
it
too
many
times
it
got
in
style
about
30
years
ago
to
say
everyone
needs
to
get
a
bachelor's
degree
and
I'm
just
it's
out
of
style
already,
and
we
need
to
get
back
to
what
are
the
actual
skills
required
and
and
I
everyone
I
know
is
not
eligible
to
apply
for
all
the
jobs.
J
They
would
be
amazing
at
so
I
think
that
is
huge
and
if
you
got
that
opened
up,
would
that
not
have
a
waterfall
effect
on
the
diversity
of
the
workforce,
because
everybody
didn't
just
pop
out
of
the
cookie
cutter,
so
I
think
you
know,
maybe
it
said
holy
Noir
fee.
Maybe
it
can
be
done
as
a
modification
I'm
not
looking
at
the
contract.
J
That's
your
procurement
office
can
fool
with
that,
but
I
I,
that's
kind
of
where
I'm,
leaning
and
going
because
I
do
think
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
but
I'm
not
entirely
sure
it's
going
to
get
really
picked
up
as
the
focus
and
if
we
spent
150
000
just
on
that,
then
I'd
be
cool
with
it,
but
I
feel
like
it's
going
to
get
about
one
thousand
dollars
worth
of
effort
out
of
this
whole
giant
haystack.
We're
looking
at
thank.
J
Mr
chairman
I'd
move
to
defer.
If
the
agency
is
agreeable
or
has
actions
in
mind.
O
I
completely
agree
with
the
senator,
so
I
do
think,
and
I've
only
been
with
kctcs
for
four
months,
so
I'm
in
a
learning
mode.
This
was
put
together
before
I
got
here
and
that's
not
an
excuse,
but
I
do
think.
There
are
ways
that
we
could
get
at
the
candidate
poll
and
and
the
true
retention
and
attraction
of
our
employees.
We've
just
started
to
put
things
together,
such
as
exit
surveys
to
understand
why
employees
are
leaving
so
I
I
completely
agree
with
the
senator.
J
So
the
just
to
clarify
when
we
defer
that
basically
throws
it
at
you
and
say:
can
you
make
a
change
to
this?
So
we
can
really
only
get
anything
accomplished
by
deferring
if
you
guys
have
a
plan
of
action
in
mind
that
you
could
take
whether
that
means
amending
contract,
language
or
or
if
we
need
to
just
disapprove
and
throw
in
the
garbage
and
you
get
a
whole
new
RFP.
We
can
decide
that
later,
if
you're
not
sure.
J
A
A
P
Bart
Harden
I'm,
the
director
of
government
relations
I,
have
with
me
Barry
Swanson,
our
chief
procurement
officer
and
we'll
address
these
in
whatever
order
committee
pleases.
F
Mr
chair
since
I
have
requested
these
be
pulled.
I
would
like
to
do
them
together,
and
my
issues
is
very
simple,
be
on
the
letter
we
got
explaining
the
the
necessity
for
these.
What
it
doesn't
tell
me
is
what
the
hourly
rate
is.
Q
Q
Okay,
the
green
lights
on
you're
on
sorry,
sorry
about
that
the
Caldwell
intellectual
property
contract
has
rates
it's
in
an
attachment.
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
was
part
of
your
packet
or
not.
F
G
Q
A
We
got
it
here
hold
on
I'll,
read
it
to
the
whole
committee
knows
it
will
range
between
100
and
300
per
hour.
A
Q
On
the
on
the
prowl
and
Mooring
one
I
I'm,
going
to
own
up
to
an
heir
that
was
occurred
in
my
office,
there
was
an
attachment
that
was
supposed
to
be
sent
over
to
you,
and
it
was
inadvertently
left
off.
I've
got
that
with
me.
The
hourly
rates
range
from
a
hundred
dollars
an
hour
for
a
support
service
person,
type
type
position
to
695
dollars
an
hour
both
of
these
contracts.
The
two
that
we've
talked
about
are
for
intellectual
property
type
work
very
specialized.
Q
These
contracts
come
out
of
our
pool
that
was
competitively
bid
and
we
utilize
these
contracts
as
this
need
occurs.
This
is
again
that's
very
specialized
work
that
some
of
this
work
requires
membership
to
a
separate
bar.
It's
not
you
know
there.
It's
a
very
specialized
and
narrow
field,
and
so
these
specialists
I
mean
somewhat
we're
somew
of
a
captive
audience,
but
there's
not
a
lot
of
a
competition
in
this
area,
but
it's
very
important
that
we
have
this
as
expertise
for
these
very
complicated
projects.
F
F
Assistance
from
attorneys
is,
is
really
driving
a
premium
price
I
suspect,
maybe
in
the
next
five
ten
years,
we'll
have
an
abundance
of
these
people
and
being
a
capitalist
society,
and
maybe
that
will
drive
down
those
rates
but
I'm
quite
sure
if
I
think
850
dollars,
particularly
when
when
our
limit
is
125,
is
absolutely
ridiculous
and
atrocious.
But
it
is
what
it
is.
That's
all
I
had
Mr
chair.
I
A
Some
point
I
think
we've
talked
about
it
before
we
are
going
to
have
to
look
at
our
our
hourly
rate,
having
this
I
think
that
probably
needs.
A
A
J
I'm
going
to
vote
I
I,
actually
don't
think
we
should
change
our
125
an
hour,
because
it's
amazing
how
many
of
these
we
get
to
come
in
at
125
and
I.
Think
if
we
changed
it
to
200,
they'd,
say
200.,
so
I
think
that's
pretty
cool.
Unfortunately,
we
do
have
to
look
at
these.
J
I
will
say:
I
think
there's
only
about
20
students
in
my
patent
law
class,
this
semester,
and
so
while
they
keep
advertising
and
trying
to
get
people
to
go
into
these
fields,
I'm
not
sure,
there's
like
a
ton
of
them
still,
and
you
don't
see
me
being
fat
turning
anyway,
it's
just
on
Friday
nights.
It's
convenient
for
me,
so
I
vote,
I.
B
A
R
F
R
Yes,
Mr
chair,
that's
correct,
I.
Think
the
issue
here
is
that
k,
l
Gates
obviously
has
the
cheaper
rate
and
that's
where
we
would
like
to
go.
There
was
one
carve
out
on
certain
matters
where
there
was
a
conflict
of
interest,
so
we
needed
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
backup
in
the
case
that
that
particular
issue
came
up.
We
don't
expect
for
it
to,
but
we
wanted
to
be
prepared.
So
we
went
with
two
firms.
We
did
do
a
competitive
RFP.
F
R
To
me,
there
is
one
carve
out
when
we
did
when
they
did
a
conflicts
check,
so
that's
sort
of
when
you
go
with
a
new
firm.
They
they
run
your
name
through
all
of
the
clients
that
they
represent
all
the
matters
to
make
sure
there's
not
a
conflict
of
interest.
There
was
one
discrete
issue
that
they
would
not
be
able
to
advise
us
on,
and
so
because
that
issue
is
not
completely
closed
for
the
University.
R
We
needed
to
make
sure
that
if
that
came
up
within
the
next
two
years
that
we
had
someone
to
advise
us,
I
don't
expect
for
it
to
but
sort
of
the
work
that
we
do
is
preparing
for
worst
case
scenario.
So
that
was
the
reason
why
we
had
Hogan
levels
as
a
backup,
but
the
the
plan
obviously
is
to
use
the
less
expensive
firm.
Unless
that
particular
issue
comes
up.
R
F
R
S
It
was
also
that
the
reason
why
we
need
to
use
them
because
of
their
area
of
expertise,
that
the
general
pool
that
we
have
at
the
state
rates
cannot
fulfill.
So
it
was
what
it
was
bid
competitively,
but
why
we
need
to
engage
these
two
firms
is
based
on
their
area
of
expertise
that
the
hourly
State
rate
does
not
possess.
R
The
rates
were
about
the
same
I
mean
we're
dealing
with
because
we're
dealing
with
erisa
issues
which
relate
to
retirement
and
then
we're
also
dealing
with
Healthcare
regulatory
issues
specific
to
Medicare
and
Medicaid.
It's
a
very
small
group
of
firms
that
have
that
level
of
expertise
and
do
enough
work
to
have
the
expertise
that
we
need
so
the
rates
for
an
incredibly
different,
really
what
what
made
the
defining
choice
for
us
is
the
clients
that
they
had
the
experience
that
they
had.
R
We
specifically
wanted
firms
that
dealt
with
universities
that
had
an
academic
Medical
Center,
as
the
University
of
Louisville
does,
because
there
are
very
specific
issues
that
come
up
in
that
context.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
if
we
have
that
we're
not
dealing
with
someone
who
has
a
broad
understanding
of
Medicare
Medicaid
but
has
never
worked
with
an
academic,
Medical
Center,
and
so
that's
really
what
narrowed
it
down
to
these
two
firms.
R
Particular
was
that
the
top
end
and
they're
there
because
of
their
extensive
experience,
and
so
while
we
appreciate
that
we
we're
hope-
and
they
probably
hate
to
hear
me-
say
this,
but
I'll
say
it
publicly-
we're
not
we're
not
planning
to
use
them.
Unless
k,
l
Gates
is
unable
to
advise
us
due
to
a
conflict
of
interest.
F
Well,
one
thing
to
caught:
my
attention
is
in
the
letter
was
that
Hogan
levels
currently
works
with
the
University
Research
Foundation
on
various
matters.
This
familiarity
with
the
university
puts
them
in
a
unique
position
of
being
able
to
provide
services
efficiently
in
a
more
cost-effective
manner.
Well,
I
think
that's
a
subjective
assessment,
and
it
always
concerns
me
when
we
limit
firms
we're
considering
an
RFP,
because
it
appears
that
we
have
a
relationship
with
these
folks.
F
We
like
them
to
change,
increase
a
little
bit
more
work
for
us,
so
we
think
we
need
to
use
those
again
I,
don't
think
that
fits
the
sole
source
criteria.
Another
concern
I
have
is
with
the
disparity
in
these
rates.
You
know
the
difference
is,
and
it's
quite
substantial,
950
65
an
hour
to
12.55
per
hour.
Now
that
12
55
becomes
the
market
rate.
F
You
know
every
other
law
firm
is
going
to
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
this
particularly
had
this
expertise
the
next
time
we
do
an
RFP
that
becomes
the
kind
of
the
floor
for
this.
So
I
think
it's
kind
of
built
into
inflationary
pressures
that
that
are
facing
us
right
now
and
personally
1255
an
hour.
You
equate
that
out.
F
That's
over
two
million
dollars
a
year
for
an
individual
I
could
find
a
cure
for
cancer
and
wouldn't
be
paid
that
much
money
and
I
think
it
just
it's
ridiculous
particular
when
we
know
we're
going
to
have
this
to
pass
this
on
to
our
student
population
and
with
the
cost
of
post-secondary
Education
being
astronomy
High
to
begin
with
it's
just.
This
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
I,
just
I,
just
can't
in
good,
conscious,
improve
a
contract
that
pays
that
kind
of
rate,
particularly
when
it
was
not
the
lowest
rate.
J
J
L
Gates,
but
what
I
want
wanted
to
ask
was
if,
if
we're,
not
really
probably
going
to
end
up
meeting
these
people,
unless
this
one
item
pops
up
correct
in
order
to
avoid
having
the
twelve
hundred
dollars
on
the
record,
that's
been
an
approved
contract
which,
as
Senator
Meredith
just
mentioned,
raises
the
tide.
For
you
know
all
of
the
other
boats
in
the
world
wouldn't
and
I'm,
not
a
procurement
expert.
Here.
I
J
R
And
I
would
defer
to
Sally
I
mean
I,
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
because
truly,
unless
this
particular
issue
comes
up,
the
the
intention
is
not
to
use
the
more
expensive
firm,
so
I
guess
Sally.
If
that
issue
arises
during
the
term
of
the
contract,
is
there
some
mechanism
that
we
could
use
to
immediately
go
to
open
levels?
If
we
absolutely
have
to
absolutely.
S
Absolutely
I
think
that's
a
prudent
thing
to
do.
We
just
all
have
to
be
cognizant
that
we
cannot
begin
work
until
it's
been
received
by
the
lrc.
So
it's
and
you
know,
as
long
as
we
do
the
right
documentation
I,
it
wouldn't
need
to
be
an
emergency.
We
would
again
say
it
was
a
sole
source
because
you
know
of
the
situation
and
get
it
up
there
and
then
make
them
have
the
notes
that
we
basically
withdrew
it,
because
it
not
being
definite
that
we
were
going
to
acquire
these
services
so
well.
R
If
that's
the
case,
Mr
chair,
I'm,
perfectly
comfortable
withdrawing
the
Hogan
levels,
contract
for
approval
and
just
moving
forward
with
the
k.
L
Gates,
which
is
the
cheaper
firm.
A
A
S
A
T
Good
morning
this
is
David
Gormley,
with
the
Kentucky
transportation
cabinet,
I'm
assistant,
director
of
Professional
Services,
here
in
Frankfort
I've,
got
with
me
Keith
Downs,
who
was
the
project
manager
out
of
our
Louisville
District
Five
office
and
also
Tracy
level.
His
branch
manager.
J
Thank
you,
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
exactly
what
this
really
entails,
because
the
five
Bridges
contract
seems
like
we're,
adding
this
modification
to
help
move
the
146
project
forward,
but
it
says
we're
only
increasing
at
65
000
dollars.
It's
like
a
13
million
dollar
project.
So
what
exactly?
Are
we
adding
here.
T
T
U
Okay,
this
is
I'm.
My
name
is
Tracy
Lovell,
not
with
Hogan
and
levels.
The
5-80
260
Bridge
Project
was
construction,
only
funding,
I
believe,
and
we
have
design
plans
as
part
of
the
5-8300
project.
That
includes
four
of
those
five
Bridges.
U
The
this
Amendment
to
the
the
contract
would
be
amending
the
5-8300
project
to
break
out
a
portion
to
to
get
the
two
two,
the
first
two
Bridges
along
the
corridor
as
part
of
the
5-80
260
to
construction,
the
there
wasn't
a
a
a
separate
design
just
for
the
bridges
it
was
all
rolled
in
with
the
5-8300
roadway
project.
U
What
the
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
design
funds
from
the
for
the
8260
and
only
Construction
and
the
design
was
done
under
four
of
those
bridges
was
done
under
8
300.
yeah.
We
had
to
break
out
a
portion
in
order
to
get
those
first
two
to
a
leading,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
needed
the
consultant
to
prepare
the
plans
to
break
to
break
that
project
up
to
to
pull
out
some
of
the
bridge
work.
A
V
J
It's
probably
a
big
surprise:
what
I'm
going
to
ask
about
the
contract
seems
to
be
doing
more
covet
tests
and
we're
increasing
2.3
million
dollars.
J
Can
you
explain
a
good
use
for
covet
testing
in
a
prison
system?
At
this
point.
V
J
V
J
Well
and
that's
fine,
the
department
certainly
only
knows
what
it
is
and
I
my
mistake
for
forgetting
that
it
was
multi-agency
thing
but
I
just
wanted
reiterate
the
number
of
millions
of
dollars
that
are
going
to
I
mean
99
of
the
inmates
had
coveted
at
any
given
point
in
time,
multiple
times
each
and
we're
in
a
lockdown
situation,
and
then
they
start
using
covet
tests
to
try
to
move
around
because
it
works
better
for
them
and,
whatever
you
know,
gangs
or
whatever
they're
in
I
mean
just
it's
crazy
seems
like
to
me.
J
They
need
to
all
go
sit
out
in
the
yard
and
get
some
sunlight
get
the
UV
to
kill
all
these
bugs
or
something,
instead
of
being
stuck
together
over
crowded
and
dorms.
It's
just
the
the
issues
Stack
Up
and
the
money's
stacking
up.
If
it's
federal
funds
designated
only
for
testing,
that's
one
thing,
but
still
talking
about
again
the
taxpayer
dollars
I'd
like
to
see
that
money
sit
on
the
table.
So
then
it
turns
into
a
grant
to
help
us
with
other
things
that
we
actually
need
so
but
I.
J
A
Is
there
any
further
comments
or
is
there
any
motion
to
approve
I'll
make
I'll
make
the
emotion
to
approve
without
objection?
Is
there
a
second
by
Senator,
Meredith
clerk?
Please
call
the
roll.
A
A
Aye
contract
moves
forward.
Thank
you
for
being
here
with
us
this
morning.
Thank
you
next
item
on
the
polled
list
with
department
for
local
government.
This
is
number
40
48
52
through
56
on
the
routine
MOA
pink
list
and
number
24
on
the
Moa
for
50,
000
and
under
gray
list.
If
the
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
W
A
F
I
agree
and
possibly
three
I
picked
number
40
and
that's
what
I'm
dealing
with
right
now
and
it's
for
Soccer
Complex,
100%
federal
funds
is
this
Harper
funding.
I
F
W
W
It
can
range
it
can
range
between
like
right
now
we
have
3.9
million,
but
it
also
can
go
up
to
4.5
million.
W
W
Do
they
have
an
active
project
right
now,
is
a
funding
criteria
or
scoring
criteria?
How
well
have
they
administered
grants
in
the
past
and
then
also
do
they
meet
our
scorp,
which
is
the
Statewide
outdoor
recreation
plan
and
that
is
issued
every
four
or
every
five
years
so
right
now
we're
operating
under
the
2020-2025
sport.
F
W
Trigg
County,
it
could
be
I,
wasn't
I
do
have
a
project
in
Trigg
County.
Let
me
see
if
it
was
approved.
Yes,
it
was.
X
W
F
This
is
number
38.
It
says:
recreational
complex,
125,
000
funds
to
demolish
an
existing
facility
and
construct
a
new
food
concession,
Ada
restroom
facility.
F
Do
this
a
little
bit
different,
if
we
could,
would
you
vote
folks,
mind
meeting
with
me
separately?
Let's
talk
about
these
and
again.
This
is
primarily
for
my
education,
how
this
whole
system
works,
but
you
know
we've
got
one
contract
here
for
a
million
dollars
for
construction,
renovating
musician
facilities
in
in
Barbourville,
it's
general
fund,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
these
funding
sources
are
and
what
the
criteria
are
for
for
awarding
these
contracts.
But
this
off
scene
doesn't
tell
us
any
of
this.
Could
we
could
we
do
that?
F
I'm
I'll
act
on
the
on
the
contracts
I'm
just
trying.
W
Yeah
I
can
I'm
more
than
happy
to
meet
my
lws.
The
lwcf
advisory
committee
is
this
afternoon,
but.
F
No
hurry,
just
just
sometime
within
the
possibly
the
next
30
days,
just
want
to
know
and
again
I'm.
Looking
at
all
these
contracts
under
Department
of
local
government,
so
I'd
like
to
understand
the
the
funding
source
and
how
we
differentiate
what
what
fund
is
used
for
what
purpose
so
again,
just
general
education,
but
no
immediate
need
for
it.
But
I
would
like
to
meet
with
you
folks,
if
you,
if
you
would
accommodate
me,
yeah
without
Mr,
make
a
motion
for
approval
contract.
C
I
have
one
quick
question:
am
I
sure
that
none
of
these
complexes
are
in
floodplains.
W
We
do
ask
for
flood
plain
Maps.
Some
might
be
located
in
a
flood
plain,
but
since
these
are
all
federal
grants,
the
National
Park
Service
reviews
all
grants
that
we
submit
to
them
before
they
are
funded
and
a
floodplain
is
part
of
their
environmental
review
process.
So
if
it
is
located
in
a
flood
plain,
they
have
to
submit
flood
plain
maps,
and
sometimes
they
have
to
have
insurance
on
the
property
in
order
to
be
approved
for
federal
funding.
A
I
F
I'm
going
to
share
the
next
contracts-
number
yes
number
48
and
the
question
I
have
Mr
Jones
and
Miss
Hill
on
the
TBA
settlement
funds,
I
thought
the
legislation
passed,
I,
guess
just
three
or
four
years
ago
to
approach
These
funds
to
counties.
X
Mr
chairman
I
can
answer
that
question:
Aaron
Jones
branch
manager,
Office
of
state
grants,
but
the
department
for
local
government
so
back
in
2018
counties
that
participated
with
the
TBA,
expanded
to
39
counties
and-
and
you
are
correct
out
of
the
pot,
the
whole
pot
of
money
in
lieu
of
tax
payments
they
do
or
each
of
these
counties.
X
They
do
receive
funding
directly
to
the
county
cities,
school
districts,
but
also
in
2018,
which
did-
and
this
did
not
take
effect
until
until
fiscal
year,
19,
the
general
assembly
created
a
program
called
the
regional
development
agency
assistance
program,
and
this
is
basically
a
a
funding
program
that
that
was
statutory
driven
and
there
are
certain
guidelines
and
expectations
for
each
of
the
39
counties
to
request
and
and
draw
money
from,
basically
their
pot
or
their
share.
X
It
started
out,
as
is
two
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year,
19
that
went
up
to
four
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year
20
and
then
it
capped
out
it's
six
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year
21
and
it's
stayed
at
6
million
each
year.
Ever
since
so,
basically,
every
year
all
39
counties
get
a
portion
of
that.
6
million,
which
equals
out
to
be
153
846.15,
that
is
their
annual
allocation.
X
So
basically,
if
you
take
the
whole
pot
of
TVA
money,
seventy
percent
of
that
of
what
you're
referring
to
are
direct
payments,
go
to
the
TVA
counties
and
then
there's
a
30
percent
of
it
is
what
the
general
assembly
uses
to
that
created.
This
Regional
development
agency
assistant
program
also
known
as
rdap
for
short.
X
Yes,
for
Hickman
County's
portion.
X
F
That
of
that
pool
money-
that's
correct,
okay!
Well,
that
was
my
issue
is
couldn't
understand
why
if
counties
were
being
allocating
these
monies
they
had
to
get
approved
from
the
state,
but
it's
it's.
This
30
pool
that
that
you're
bringing
these
contracts
to
is
for
correct.
That's.
X
Correct
and
Mr
chairman
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
I,
believe
this
program
was
created
because
the
general
assembly
wanted
to
make
sure
a
portion
of
this
money
was
being
used
for
Industrial
Development.
There
are
three
requirements
that
the
TVA
counties
when
that,
when
they
sent
an
application
to
the
department
for
local
government
requesting
nerve
funds,
it
either.
Basically
grants
under
this
program
shall
be
used
for
economic
development,
job
creation
activities,
matching
funds
or
Debt
Service
for
Approved
projects.
Within.
A
A
F
And
these
I
believe
we
can
take
in
total
Mr
chair
and
it's
52
54
55
56,
and
what
my
attention
is
just
the
diversity
in
what
these
funds
are
being
applied.
You
know
one
is
for
constructively
ballpark
one
is
to
pay
Fiscal
Court
Bond
debt
for
a
Detention
Center.
Another
one
is
to
pay
for
fiscal
courts
insurance
premiums.
F
X
Well,
these
fines
are
from
the
local
government
Economic
Development
Fund.
This
is
the
single
County
Coal
Severance
that
they
receive.
There
is
a
specific
statute
krs-42450
to
42495,
which
is
the
original
statute
that
These
funds
can
be
used
under.
But
notwithstanding
that
statute,
all
funds
appropriated
to
LG
EDF
fund
single
County
accounts
shall
be
allocated
to
projects
with
the
concurrence
of
the
respective
County
Judge
Executives
state
senators
and
state
representatives
of
each
County.
X
So
these
projects,
to
be
honest
with
you,
Mr
chairman,
if
you
have
questions
about
these
I,
would
direct
your
questions
to
your
colleagues,
state
representative,
Derek,
Lewis
and
state
senator
Brandon
Smith.
F
X
F
Well,
I
have
no
problem
with
that
I
just
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
the
counters
are
using
their
funds
so
with.
X
That
well
and
I
say
that,
because
I
don't
want
it
to
be
confused
with
the
local
government
economic
assistance
fund,
sometimes
those
can
those
wires
can
be
crossed.
Well,.
F
To
that
end,
I
don't
want
to
but
labor
this
point
on
behalf
of
the
community
members,
but
I'd
appreciate
if
you
and
Miss
Hill
would
meet
with
me
sometime
in
the
future
to
talk
about
again
these
different
funding
sources.
I
would
appreciate
it
that
Mr
chair
I'd
make
a
motion
to
prove
50,
52,
54,
55
and
56.,
and.
A
A
P
A
F
Mr,
chair
I,
think
the
explanation
our
presenters
present
to
me
previously
answers
my
question
with
regard
to
that,
with
that,
I
would
I
make
a
motion
to
prove
contract
number
24
under
MOA
for
15
000
and
under
list
motion.
A
F
I
don't
know
if
it's
questions
as
much
of
the
comments
you
know
there
used
to
be
seven
deadly
sins.
Now,
there's
eight
and
the
eighth
one
is
the
retroactive
request
for
personal
contracts
and
when
I
read
the
explanation
for
this
I
gotta
admit:
I,
don't
get
it.
Why
didn't
somebody
not
recognize
and
take
ownership
of
the
fact
that
we
needed
to
have
this
contract
executed
on
timely
basis,
I.
Y
I
think
the
explanation
in
the
letter
is
is
I,
didn't
write,
it
I,
don't
think
it's
completely
accurate.
Let
me
run
through
the
the
serious
events.
As
you
know,
hb1
awarded
KDA
500
000
in
each
of
years,
one
and
two
in
the
past
three
years
those
same
funds
were
awarded
to
chfs
and.
Y
I
Y
Manager
has
been
with
us
since
the
very
beginning
and
her
contract
ended
at
the
end
of
June
at
the
end
of
the
the
fiscal
year,
of
course,
and
I
take
full
responsibility
for
this.
However,
we
did
not.
Kda
did
not
have
a
procurement
officer
from
mid-may
to
July
16th,
so
we
didn't
have
the
ability
to
put
out
contracts
during
that
time.
Y
So
as
soon
as
we
had
one
in
place,
and
we
on
boarded
a
new,
a
new
procurement
officer,
we
wrote
the
back
date
request
and
because,
because
we're
in
fear
of
losing
our
project
manager
she's
her
subject
matter,
expertise
is,
it
would
be.
It
would
have
been
detrimental
to
the
project
to
lose
her.
F
B
A
A
A
F
You
for
being
here
appreciate
it
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
on
what's
going
on
with
reading
in
Kentucky
and
I
took
the
legislation
we
passed
this
last
session
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
read
a
lot
of
late
about
the
the
I
could
stay
the
nation
by
reading
a
program
for
public
schools
and
particularly
read
to
achieve,
and
there's
been
a
great
deal
of
debate
as
to
the
effectiveness
of
that
program.
So
I
guess
what
I
wanted.
F
Some
understanding
is
of
I
thought
we
were
moving
away
from
Reading
to
achieve,
but
we
have
grants
for
wing
Tuesday.
So
can
you
kind
of
put
this
together
for
me,
I'd
appreciate
it.
Z
Yes,
Senator.
Thank
you
so
much
so
the
read
to
succeed
act.
There
still
lives
the
statute
that
oversees
read
to
achieve
and
within
Senate
Bill,
9
2022.
It's
establishes
that
the
grant
cycle
will
continue
on.
That
was
a
part
of
the
bill
and
it
added
language
to
say
that
the
board
shall
not
restrict
how
the
grant
applicant
utilizes
the
funding.
Z
I
Z
F
Guess
the
f
is
the
big
question
and
maybe
that's
the
the
point
of
this
discussion
is:
will
KDE
support
this
program
in
the
future
because,
obviously,
when
we
come
back
for
the
2024
budget,
we'll
have
to
review
it
again,
if
not
before
then,
but
given
for
one
of
a
better
term,
the
notoriety
behind
this
program?
What's
Ked
and
kde's
position
on
this.
Z
I
would
say
for
us
I
think
as
long
as
it
is
in
statute,
and
as
long
as
it
is
funded
a
funded
item,
we
would
want
to
support
the
schools
and
districts
in
utilizing
the
funding
as
they
see
fit.
If
that's
not
funded
and
not
a
part
of
Statute,
then
of
course
we
would
use
other
avenues,
be
agreed
to
succeed
to
support
schools
and
districts
more
broadly
across
the
state,
in
Reading
instruction
and
high
quality
instruction
aligned
to.
F
Z
That
is
evidence-based
and
high
quality.
If
it's
utilized
for
professional
learning
beyond
what
we
are
able
to
provide
in
in
the
Kentucky
reading
academies,
then
yes,
there
is
a
place
for
one-on-one
instruction,
but
would
we
say
that's
the
best
use
of
funding
I
think
the
evidence
would
suggest
that
no,
we
do
not
think
that's
the
best
use
of
funding
for
these
particular
Grant
funds.
Z
F
Well,
I
congratulate
you
on
walking
through
this
Minefield
and
I
preach.
What
you
were
saying
and
Mr
chair
I
know
we're
dealing
with
two
different
issues.
Here.
One
is
the
funding
which
is
required
by
my
statute.
The
second
is
the
I
guess
the
validated
this
program
in
the
future,
which
will
defer
to
education
committee,
but
with
that
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
65,
66,
67
and
96.,
and.
A
Before
we
act
on
that
motion,
did
you
have
a
comment?
Senator
Douglas,
I
I
know.
My
comment
is
just
looking
at
65
620
000
dollars
going
in
there
is
that
is
that
all
going
to
reading
interventionist
or
teacher,
how
what.
Z
So
for
yes,
so
they're
they're
primary
expense,
and
if
you
on
page
six
of
the
contract,
you
can
see
that
it's
primarily
going
toward
certified
Personnel,
Subs,
Medicare
and
all
of
those
expenses
that
would
go
into
the
salary
line
for
the
interventionist.
They
are
using
some
funding
for
professional
learning
and
registration
fees
and
travel
so
they're.
They
are
diversifying
it
a
bit
more,
but
the
majority
of
the
funding
is
going
to
the
interventionist.
Z
I
I
would
say
that
it
it
can
work,
but
we
would
like
to
see
and
that's
why
we
were
wanting
to
change
the
the
process
for
read,
to
achieve,
to
encourage
schools
and
districts
to
invest
more
in
the
professional
learning,
something
that's
going
to
more
broadly
impact
teachers
across
the
entire
School
building,
rather
than
just
putting
the
funds
into
one
salaried
position.
But
as
I
said
right
now,
the
statute
says
that
that
is
an
allowable
expense,
and
that
is
what
most
districts
are
choosing
to
do
in
terms
of
utilizing.
The
the
RTA
funds.
A
C
Well
to
coins
and
phrases
from
Senator
Meredith
earlier
I
begrudgingly.
J
A
J
How
about
I
once
again?
This
is
definitely
an
issue
we
need
to
be
working
on
and
I
mentioned
earlier.
Our
very
very
worry,
some
reading
proficiency
levels,
I,
don't
think
that
we
can
tag
it
on
redo
Chief
program,
not
working
necessarily
I.
Think
the
problem
is
we're
trying
to
funnel
50
plus
percent
of
our
students
through
a
program.
That's
meant
to
be
a
one-on-one
assistance
for
the
few
that
actually
do
struggle,
so
I
think
the
one-on-one
interventions
will
always
be
needed,
for
you
know
the
handful
out
there.
J
We
just
can't
be
relying
on
it
for
50
percent
of
students
in
10
percent
of
the
districts
I
mean.
That
is
the
whole
problem.
With
this
whole
thing,
the
fact
that
you
have
a
few
students
struggling
in
any
school
is
expected
and
should
actually
be
staffed
every
school.
So
that's
why
I
support
this,
but
certainly
we've
got
a
ton
of
work
to
do
in
the
literacy
realm.
Thank
you.
B
F
No
questions
regarding
this
and
Mr
chair
just
a
comment:
I
think
it.
This
group
has
failed
the
Commonwealth
and
failed.
It
miserably
I
think
in
the
years
that
they
have
when
they
were
established
early
on,
the
intent
was
good,
but
they've
never
fulfilled
that
intent.
We
have
seen
our
reading
scores
continue
to
decline.
After
making
a
temporary
increase.
We've
seen
the
latest
report.
We
can
blame
it
on
Covert.
F
We
can
bring
them
a
lot
of
things,
but
these
folks
simply
have
not
delivered,
have
not
had
an
accountability
to
to
our
legislature.
I
think
it's
just
become
a
an
academic
think
tank
that
has
not
done
anything
other
than
perpetuate
their
own
existence,
so
I
would
make
a
motion
to
disapprove
this
contract
second
hold.
A
J
Ms
chairman,
yes,
ma'am,
oh
I,
I,
think
that
part
of
this
is
our
problem
as
a
legislature
by
having
this
outfit,
even
in
the
statute
to
say,
they're
going
to
do
these
things
because
we
know
they're,
not
we
just
passed
new
funding
to
try
to
get
a
hold
of
our
reading
programs,
and
these
people
supposedly
have
been
working
on
that
and
I
haven't
seen
it
so
I
like
the
idea
of
defunding,
but
I
also
want
to
take
it
a
step
further
and
really
figure
out
how
to
get
the
system
back
on
the
rails.
F
Let's
play
my
vote
Yes,
sir,
not
to
believe
with
the
point,
but
I
think
this
group
has
been
given
that
opportunity
to
give
us
Direction
and
they
haven't
done
it.
I,
don't
know,
what's
going
to
change
in
the
future,
this
is
just
now
they're
going
to
be
effective
in
in
delivering
products
to
our
public
education
system
that
will
improve
test
scores.
They've
had
their
opportunity.
We've
invested
millions
of
dollars
in
this
have
not
seen
any
return
on
those
dollars
whatsoever.
So
I
vote
Yes
on
the
motion.
K
So
I'm,
here
to
speak
on
113.
Senator
Meredith,
the
during
our
all
the
stimulus
dollars
that
came
the
Esser
money
that
came
to
us
part
of
that
was
to
allow
us
to
provide
some
funding
out
to
the
state
to
think
about
things
that
would
improve
education,
improve
learning.
So
we
had
a
had
a
RFP
process
and
the
eight
educational
cooperatives
together
submitted
a
bid
for
a
contract
called
deeper
learning,
which
is
they're
trying
to
help
get
it
get
it
learning
at
a
deeper
level
in
all
of
our
districts.
K
166
of
our
171
districts
are
part
of
this
program.
Each
district
is
receiving
funding,
but
at
the
center
of
it,
of
course,
you
can
imagine
as
a
leadership
situation
where
we
needed
a
director
to
manage
the
whole
of
the
state.
So
this
contract
is
that
director's
position.
So
it's
a
grant
funded
position
for
the
for
the
life
of
the
grant.
K
L
Could
I
just
add?
That's
an
up-to
amount
the
first
year
since
the
contract
start
date
is
not
until
November
4th.
The
first
year
is
actually
in
the
contract
listed
as
240
working
days,
but
he
will
not
work
240
working
days
in
that
first
year,
so
the
first
year,
salary
isn't
up
to
amount
and
we
can
modify
the
contract
to
get
a
more
specific
number
of
days
if
necessary.
A
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
that's
where
I
was
looking
at
on
page
five
of
the
contract
going
through
the
actual
salary
and
Fringe,
and
everything,
because
this
does
pretty
much
mean
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
Fringe
is
48
000,
so
40
for
the
second
year.
So
anyway,
we're
over
150
average
per
year.
I'm
aware
that
the
commissioner
of
education
is
not
subject
to
statutory
rule
of
nobody
makes
more
than
the
governor
and
the
governor
makes
a
little
less
than
150.
J
do
The
Other
Board
of
Education
or
all
the
other
employees
of
the
Board
of
Education
or
Kentucky
Department
of
Education.
Are
they
subject
to
the
statute
because
I
thought
it
was
only
the
commissioner?
That's
not
what
it
seems
like
to
me.
The
employees
couldn't
be
making
this
so
I'm,
having
a
hard
time
with
how
the
contractors
should.
L
It's
my
understanding
that
this
this
person
is
a
former
superintendent,
I,
believe
retired
and
was
hardback
under
this
contract,
and
this
was
a
negotiated
salary
that
was
through
kaec,
which
is
the
Cooperative
the
the
uniform
entity
non-profit
for
all
Aid
of
the
education
cooperatives,
so
I
would
need
to
defer
to
them
as
to
how
the
salary
was
negotiated.
Okay,.
J
L
K
J
I'm
well
aware,
but
they
don't
fall
under
the
same
rules
as
state
employees.
So
that's
why
I'm,
comparing
State
contracts
to
State,
Employees
I
would
love
to
have
the
you
know:
high
quality,
professional,
Workforce
and
education,
but
I
like
to
have
them
all
over
the
state
as
well,
and
obviously,
we've
been
sitting
here
talking
about
125
an
hour
attorney
contracts-
and
you
know
Governor
makes
140
something
I
think
at
some
point.
J
We
have
to
figure
that
out,
but
it
is
kind
of
the
issue
when
we
want
to
have
a
professional,
Workforce
and
education,
but
somehow
they're,
making
dollars
that
no
one
else
has
seen
we
got
Engineers
we
got,
we've
got
everybody,
no
everybody's
professional
around
here
and
they're,
not
seeing
that
kind
of
money
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
kind
of
comes
back
on
us.
Well,
we
don't
care
about
the
kids
or
the
teachers.
J
Well,
this
stuff
blows
our
minds
when
we
see
it
because
our
eyes
aren't
used
to
these
numbers
in
any
frame
of
reference
in
state
government,
and
here
we
are
talking
about
these
numbers,
so
I'm
not
saying
that
this
isn't
a
negotiated
salary
that
the
superintendent's
used
to
this
kind
of
salary.
J
If
he's
retired
seems
like
he,
maybe
he's
got
retirement,
he
doesn't
need
his
full
salary
again,
I
mean
just
an
idea,
so
we
need
to
figure
out
smart
ways
to
do
things
in
retired
superintendents
be
fantastic
to
be
able
to
work
for
a
lower
salary
because
they
have
retirement
benefits,
so
I
mean
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
double
dipping
is
at
the
beyond
the
top
of
the
echelon
level
is
a
little
difficult
for
us
to
digest
being
the
taxpayer
dollars.
F
K
Are
very
inextricably
I
mean
they're
they're
connected
to
me,
project-based
learning
is
the
number
one
way
we
talk
when
we
talk
about
deeper
learning.
Project-Based
learning
is
one
of
the
primary
ways
in
which
we
do
that.
K
K
F
K
K
F
F
G
Sir
make
sure
I'm
on
okay
great,
so
we
had
this
contract
before
you
last
year
for
a
shorter
period
of
time,
we'd
had
a
seven
month
original
contract
with
a
human
development
Institute,
essentially
to
help
us
make
sure
that,
in
our
expenditure
from
the
state
set
aside
from
ARP
monies
that
were
essentially
rolling
out
evidence-based
practices
that
we
can
study
to
be
sure
that
the
interventions
that
we're
working
with
are
actually
effective.
We
did
not
actually
expend
the
full
amount
of
the
earlier
contract
on
this.
G
This
one
is
for
a
20-month
duration,
as
opposed
to
the
seven
that
we
had
done
before
for
something
north
of
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
think
what
we're
attempting
to
do
here
is
to
continue
to
use
HDI,
both
in
the
planning
of
the
work
and
in
giving
us
feedback
on
the
effectiveness
of
what
we
are
rolling
out.
There
are
two
facets
to
the
work.
G
We
have
an
early
learning
component
that
is
focused
primarily
on
K
to
two,
and
then
we
have
a
transition
age
group
that
is
focused
more
in
the
successful
transition
for
students
with
disabilities
into
the
workforce
or
into
higher
education
upon
graduation,
so
that
that's
kind
of
the
two
branches
of
this.
The
work
that
they're
supporting
right
now
is
the
implementation
of
self-assessments
and
districts
about
the
effectiveness
of
the
transition
work
that
they're
already
engaged
in
that's
more
on
the
transition
side
and
then
on
the
Early
Learning
side.
We've
got
a
couple
of
different
things
going.
G
One
is
a
teacher
leader.
Community
we've
got
about
73
folks
involved
in
that
who
are
early
learning,
people
who
essentially
are
convening
once
a
month
for
support
and
professional
learning,
and
then
on
the
other
side,
we've
got
a
group.
We've
got
I,
think
around
70
participants
and
a
group
for
folks
who
are
new
in
leadership
positions
in
districts,
both
in
early
learning
and
then
in
Special
Ed.
F
We've
reviewed
a
lot
of
contracts
today
and
quite
truly
I
haven't
seen
anyone
that
gives
me
a
confidence
level
that
we're
going
to
prove
the
quality
of
Education
in
Kentucky.
That's
unfortunate,
I
think
we're
creating
an
additional
bureaucracy,
who's
going
to
make
in
the
lives
of
our
teachers
and
our
students.
More
difficult,
I
really
wish
and
I
would
certainly
support
an
appropriation
for
a
few
million
dollars
to
actually
go
out
and
ask
teachers
front-line
people.
How
can
we
make
your
work
environment
better?
F
What
can
we
do
and
improve
the
quality
of
education
for
our
students
and
I?
Don't
see
we're
asking
teachers
those
things
there
are
opportunities
and
I'm,
not
speaking
out
of
ignorance.
I
have
a
wife
who's,
a
teacher
for
32
years
and
I
assure
you,
and
she
could
spend
the
day
with
you
and
tell
you
some
things
that
would
significantly
improve
the
quality
of
Education
in
Kentucky.
But
nobody
talks
to
those
people.
We
have
to
listen
to
The
Experts,
the
problem.
F
The
experts
is
experts,
don't
don't
know
what
they
don't
know
and
they're
they're
coming
from
a
field
almost
from
a
academic
environment.
That
really
is
not
real
life,
we've
got
Theory,
we've
got
practical
application
and
very
rarely
do
they
meet,
but
this
is
troublesome
that
we're
not
focused
on
the
real
issues
that
are
at
hand
and
it's
just
we're
just
creating
more
bureaucracy.
J
Thank
you,
I've
seen
a
number
of
these
come
through
in
the
past
and
I've
never
really
been
100
sure
what
exactly
they
do.
So,
if
you
could
maybe
just
describe
what
what
it
even
is
or
what
what's
going
on
that'd
be
a
good
start.
AA
Sure,
thank
you.
So
this
is
a
amendment
to
an
existing
contract
that
supports
our
project.
Aware
Grant
project
aware
is
a
federally
funded
program
was
awarded
to
the
department
under
the
Trump
Administration,
that
is
designed
to
help
provide
resources
for
schools
facing
issues
with
trauma-informed
instruction
and
student
mental
health
concerns.
J
J
Somebody
is
kind
of
maybe
the
director
and
three
percent
of
their
salary
is
being
used
on
this
and
then
you've
got
the
trainers
that
are
half
and
half
another
35
percent,
or
so
essentially
we're
getting
a
little
over
a
full-time
employee
on
all
of
this,
together
put
it
all
together,
so
basically
existing
employees
that
are
already
are
they
already
employed
for
this
purpose
or
for
another
purpose,
but
somehow
we're
using
50
of
them
and
so
they're
funded
this
way.
So.
AA
These
are
these
trainers
are
funded
out
of
this
Grant
and
so
we're
we
are
because
we're
adding
those
trainings.
That's
why
you're
seeing
that
Amendment
to
their
to
their
salaries,
we're
expanding
their
scope
of
work
a
little.
A
A
C
A
Aye,
all
those
items
are
exemption
request.
Granted,
December
22
meeting
will
be
number
13th
nine
o'clock
A.M.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
second
that'd.