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B
C
D
E
Could
you
just
start
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
the
search
and
how
long
it's
been
ongoing,
what
your
plans
are,
and
particularly
how
you
chose
this
entity,
because
I
do
see
it's
out
of
dc
and
I
wonder
if
we
have
entities
similarly
situated
that
are
perhaps
from
kentucky.
D
Sure
I
believe
the
contract
date
was
for
february.
10Th
initial
work
has
begun,
no
funds
have
been
expended
and
this
particular
contract
is
related
to
three
dean
vacancies.
We
have,
it
will
be
to
fill
the
dean
of
the
college
of
business.
D
D
This
firm
specializes
in
this
work,
whether
it's
you
know
knowing
who
the
list
of
potential
candidates
are
on
a
national
scale,
maybe
with
the
college
of
business,
engaging
with
private
sector
partners
in
the
business
community
and
doing
all
the
things
that
go
into
those
searches.
This.
This
is
the
firm
that
that
we
felt
best
had
that
expertise.
C
A
C
You
seem
to
be
a
little
bit
anxious
to
jump
up
from
there,
mr
whit,
but
thanks
for
coming
this
morning
next
item
on
the
pulled
list
with
the
agricultural
development
board
and
is
number
two
on
the
personal
service
contract
amendment
ivory
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
C
Doing
great
this,
this
will
be
a
short
conversation.
I've
requested
this
contract
be
pulled,
not
that
I
haven't
seen
an
issue
with
it,
but
it
is
a
pretty
substantial
increase,
not
that
many
dollars,
but
you
know
originally
approved
for
20
a
thousand
now
we're
at
50
000,
and
I
understand
that
these
funds
in
part
come
from.
C
Maybe
some
cares
funds,
but
just
educate
me
a
little
bit
as
to
why
we're
seeing
this
kind
of
increase
and
what
these
funds
will
be
used
for,
because
this
is
provide
funds
to
visit
meat
processing
facilities
and
write
reports
and
so
forth.
I
would
have
thought
that
would
already
been
in
the
initial
ask,
but
we
are
seeing
substantial
increase
so
what's
precipitating
that.
F
What
the
causes
precipitating
this
are
the
unknowns
we
our
board,
has
you
know
for
years
been
trying
to
stimulate
agricultural
growth
in
kentucky,
that's
their
mission
and
so
having
a
unusual
year
with
covid.
One
of
the
areas
that
they
saw
needed
to
be
focused
on
in
2020
was
meat
processing.
F
So,
through
the
course
of
the
year,
different
steps
were
taken,
but
the
board
ultimately
came
to
the
conclusion
that
they
needed
an
outside
consultant
to
give
them
the
best
possible
advice
they
could
and
how
to
best,
possibly
invest
their
funds
in
these
operations
that
wanted
to
improve
so
through
getting
a
contract
with
a
a
meat
processing
consultant.
F
We
entered
into
it,
and
I
probably
didn't
ask
enough
questions
about
how
fast
we
were
going
to
go,
how
many
we
anticipated
needing
to
provide
services
for,
and
so
not
having
been
through
the
process
before
of
getting
a
professional
services
contract.
I
was
probably
my
mistake
that
we
I
set
the
contract
limit
at
twenty
thousand
dollars.
C
I
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
still
a
bit
a
little
lost
on
this.
You
have
to
excuse
me,
I'm
a
slow
learner,
but
are
we
doing
this
in
anticipation
of
growing
that
business
or
are
we
doing
it
to
supplement
presently
what
we're
doing
with
meat
processing?
Are
we
stepping
up
enforcement?
So
that's
what
I
don't
understand.
F
Well,
the
meat
processors
in
kentucky
smaller
meat
processors,
regional
meat
processors.
F
Our
board
sees
an
opportunity
to
help
them,
and
so
they
put
together
a
program
and
allotted
some
of
their
funds
out
of
their
the
funds
they
already
have
allowed
for
the
general
state
funds
for
stimulating
agriculture
in
general.
In
kentucky,
they
now
have
decided
to
dedicate
some
of
those
funds
to
specifically
helping
meat
processors,
improve
their
businesses.
F
So
the
board
that
which
we
have
you
know
great
agricultural
experts
on
the
board
already
just
saw
a
hole
in
their
agricultural
expertise
that
they
needed
another
set
of
eyes
and
someone
who's
worked
in
the
meat
processing
business
for
a
while,
and
so
that
we
decided
to
engage
in
a
professional
services
contract
with
one
that
would
come
into
kentucky
and
go
to
the
sites
and
give
us
a
report
on.
F
What's
the
best
way
that
this
individual
meat
processor
can
improve
their
business
in
that
way,
when
we
give
out
the
money
to
them,
we
can
specify
what
the
money
is
for.
F
Rep
he's
reporting
to
our
executive
director
on
our
deputy
executive
director.
F
And
the
development
board
is,
you
know,
wanting
to
use,
get
the
most
bang
out
of
the
buck
for
their
funds,
and
so
the
plan
may
change,
but
it
that
that
is
a
possibility
that
we
would
entertain
in
the
future.
Once
we
see
how
things
go
through
the
course
of
the
year.
F
G
Well,
this
isn't
much
question
as
it
is
a
comment.
Kovid
highlighted
a
lot
of
different
things
throughout
this
commonwealth.
You
know,
I
think
we
all
remember
the
shortage
of
toilet
paper
and
then
we
had
the
shortage
of
meat
last
year
and
it
actually
absolutely
drove
the
demand
for
homegrown
local
products.
Local
meat,
meat
processors
right
now
are
backed
up
over
a
year.
G
So
if
you
want
to
go,
get
your
own
steer
slaughtered
right
now,
you're
looking
at
a
year
out
before
you
can
absolutely
possibly
get
this
done,
and
I
know
this
has
been
a
big
push
from
the
ag
development
board.
I
know
ryan
corless
talks
about
this,
often
over
the
department
of
agriculture
and
it's
something
very,
very
important
for
our
farm
communities,
especially
with
the
development
of
the
small
meat
processors
that
are
starting
to
pop
up
left
and
right.
It's
one
of
the
good
thing.
It's
one
of
the
good
things
that's
come
out
of.
G
C
I
certainly
agree
with
co-chairman
cook's
position
on
this
and
appreciate
the
information
this
morning.
I
have
no
other
questions
or
of
committee
members,
if
not
entertain
a
motion
to
approve.
C
Second
motion
by
center
southwest
seconded
by
co-chair
cook
always
fail
you,
the
motion
vote.
I
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
E
C
C
C
Good
morning
to
both
of
you,
I
appreciate
you
being
with
us
and
co-chairman
cook,
has
questions.
G
Good
good
morning,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
being
on
here
with
us
this
morning,
so
I'm
only
a
few
meetings
into
this
and
I've
seen
unite,
be
on
here
every
single
time
and
I
am
just
actively
trying
to
learn
more
about
unite
and
what's
going
on
there
and
hearing
some
of
their
success
stories,
I
see
I
see
a
lot
of
money
going
that
way
and
I
just
wanted
to
hear
from
you
all
and
and
hear
a
little
bit,
I'm
trying
to
learn
more
about
this.
H
And
we
appreciate
that
as
well.
Perhaps
if
I
could
give
just
a
brief
background
on
the
partnership
with
unite
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
nancy
to
talk
about
some
of
the
successes,
so
the
kentucky
opioid
response
effort
has
been
partnering
with
unite
for
several
years
now
for
the
kentucky
opioid
response
efforts,
treatment,
access
program-
and
this
is
part
of
a
large
federal
investment
in
reducing
overdose
deaths
and
increasing
access
to
high
quality,
evidence-based
prevention
treatment
recovery.
H
So
one
of
our
mandated
services
is
to
provide
assistance
to
patients
with
treatment
costs
and
to
develop
strategies
to
eliminate
or
reduce
those
costs,
and
we
recognized
partially
through
the
help
of
our
partnership
at
odcp.
That
unite
was
a
well-positioned
partner
for
this
work.
They
have
a
strong
history
of
preventing
substance,
use
disorders
operating
in
the
voucher
space
and
our
committed
partner,
and
so
we
elected
to
utilize
that
resource
and
that
talent
to
operate
our
treatment
access
program,
and
so
what
this
looks
like
is
across
the
state.
H
Licensed
providers
are
enrolled
into
the
program
and
this
is
functionally
designed
by
the
department
but
run
by
operation
unite
and
then,
when
they
have
clients
that
have
an
opioid
use
disorder
and
don't
have
a
payer
source,
so
they're
not
yet
enrolled
in
medicaid
or
they
are
on
medicare
and
can't
pay
for
residential
treatment,
unite,
reviews
that
client's
application
and
then
approves
to
use
the
state
funds,
the
kentucky
opioid
response
funds
to
pay
for
residential
treatment,
intensive
outpatient
or
recovery
housing.
And
so
that's
a
brief
background
on
what
the
program
looks
like.
H
B
Thank
you,
katie
representative
cook,
when
you
look
at
the
success
of
the
kentucky
treatment
access
program,
the
core
treatment
access
program.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
look
at
is
the
growth
of
the
program.
We
were
approached
by
the
state
to
run
the
program
and,
as
katie
said,
our
experience
since
2005,
with
our
own
voucher
program
for
residents
in
the
5th
congressional
district,
our
extensive
work
with
hhs
and,
of
course,
with
the
cabinet
of
health
and
family
services.
B
Looking
at
this
particular
program
from
february
2018
to
february
2021
the
treatment
access
programs,
the
stipends
that
have
been
approved
in
that
time
period,
four
thousand
seven
hundred
sixty
and
the
stipends
received
for
the
same
time
period
3188.
B
We
have
been
able
to
treat
the
treatment
access
program,
recipients
have
come
from
115
of
the
120
counties
in
kentucky,
and
so
just
that
increase
shows.
You
know
part
of
the
success
of
the
program
the
first
year
to
also
look
at
the
growth
the
first
year
from
february
2018
to
january
2019.
B
There
were
786
applications
and
then
for
the
next
year
we
saw
an
increase
of
20
percent
increasing
to
942,
and
this
past
year,
from
february
2020
to
january
of
2021,
there's
been
a
55
increase
with
1458..
B
We
now
have
16
residential
treatment
providers
participating
in
the
core
treatment
access
program.
We
have
83
facilities
that
are
participating
in
the
treatment,
access
program
and
40.
Those
the
number
of
counties
for
those
facilities
are
located
across
the
commonwealth,
42
counties,
our
key
partners
in
this
addiction,
recovery
care,
isaiah,
house,
edgewater,
volunteers
of
america,
the
chrysalis
house
step
works
transitions
and
there
are
eight
community
mental
health,
centers
participating.
G
Follow-Up
question,
if
I
may
notice
on
the
money
here
it's
100
federal
is
that
is
all
the
funding
federal.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
being
here.
Addiction
has
been
just
just
a
plague
on
society
for
some
time,
and
and
now
we
deal
a
little
bit
with
the
dual
diagnosis,
realizing
how
hard
that
is
with
when
you're
doing
with
addiction
and
mental
health
issues
at
the
same
time,
and
so
many
there
with
the
lack
of
insurance
ability
to
do
that,
it
becomes
a
major
crime
problem
underlying
crime
police.
I
Don't
know
what
to
do
with
that
until
it's
just
repetitive
in
and
out
of
our
jail
system,
and
recently
we
lost
a
beautiful
young
lady
in
my
district
to
an
individual
who
was
a
heroin
addict
repeatedly
user
and
abuse
or
any
other
criminal
justice
system.
And
I
know
we
have
different
approaches.
The
way
we
handle
that.
But
if
we
in
louisville
I
know
that
there's
more
people
who
are
asking
for
treatment
and
ability
than
we
have
beds
available,
and
so
the
question
was
asked.
I
This
is
all
federal
money,
quite
a
bit
of
federal
money
bit,
and
you
said
that
there's
the
the
need
continues
to
or
the
amount
of
bids
provided,
the
amount
of
help
provided
continues
to
increase
my
personal
experience
into
it
is
we
still
are
so
far
off
from
be
able
to
provide
help
enough
help
for
those
who
are
asking
for
it
and
then
sometimes
because
of
this
enormous
amount
of
cost,
we're
doing
30
and
60
day
treatment
and
release
kind
of
catch
and
release,
which
means
recidivism
rate
is
going
to
be
through
the
roof.
I
When
we
look
at
places
like
the
healing
place
and
other
partners
you
guys
have
had
when
they
have
higher
success
rates,
it's
because
the
treatment's
much
longer
has
there
been
any
kind
of
work
with
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
to
kind
of
have
skin
in
the
game
on
this
as
well
to
expand
that
and
right
now
we're
doing
a
pass
through
some
federal
grant
money.
But
because
we
have
been
just
crippled
by
the
addiction
issue.
H
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
question
and
agree
that
the
need
to
continue
to
expand
capacity
to
serve
is
undeniable
and
across
the
full
continuum
of
care,
so
residential,
outpatient,
every
level
of
care
so
that
we
can
help
retain
them
as
they
transition
through
the
core
project
operates
within
the
department
for
behavioral
health,
and
so
we
are
integrally
invested
in
the
work
that
our
department
for
behavioral
health
is
doing
our
cabinet
for
health
and
family
services
and
doing
and
coordinate
all
of
those
the
resources
and
asks
to
our
commonwealth
in
terms
of
state
dollars
versus
federal
dollars.
H
And
so
I
can't
speak
to
what
recent
requests
have
come
through
or
our
budget
status.
I
know
I
have
stephanie
craycraft,
who
is
our
deputy
commissioner
in
overseas
finance?
She
might
want
to
comment
here,
but
I
do
know
that
it
is
something
an
investment
that
is
long
term
and
will
need
to
continue
to.
I
No,
mr
chair,
I
know
this
is
for
a
long
discussion
and
I
know
it's
something.
That
is
a
deep
concern
for
all
of
us,
each
one
of
our
districts,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
good
work
and
I
think,
having
just
the
constant
look
at
best
practices
is
so
important.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
C
J
J
I
know
people
personally
that
have
been
able
to
extend
their
stays
and
treatment
from
you
know,
30
days
or
60
days
to
add
another
30
or
60
days
because
of
these
stipend
programs
and
but
because
of
the
good
results,
they've
gotten,
because
they've
been
able
to
stay
in
treatment
longer
and
really
address
the
fundamental
issues
they
got
them
into
the
situation
they're
in
so
I
appreciate
this
program.
The
good
work
that
people
unite
are
doing
in
the
cabinet
are
doing
so.
Thank
you
all.
C
C
Second,
by
representative
cook
seconded
by
representative
mentor,
all
those
in
favor
of
all
eye
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
role.
C
Aye
motion
carries
and
thank
you
both
for
testifying
this
morning
and
answer
our
questions
and
very
insightful
appreciating
greatly
next
item
on
the
pool
list
are
the
department
of
community-based
services
and
our
numbers
23
and
24
on
the
routine
moa
pink
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
C
Mr
dunn
appreciate
you
joining
this
morning:
rep
senator
southworth
has
questions
for
you.
Okay,.
E
Thank
you.
So
I'm
looking
at
a
number
of
these
and
they're
just
going
through.
I
just
picked
out
just
what
I'm
looking
at
here
on
number
23
says
it's
federally
funded
56.18
in
general
is
43.82,
whereas
24
and
all
the
others
are
100
federal,
and
I
wanted
to
find
out
what
those
general
funds
are
and
why
that
one
is
different.
J
There's
actually
three
agencies
that
have
some
state
funding
put
in
them,
and
I
I
discovered
that
mistake.
While
I
was
waiting
to
talk
here
today,
the
harlan
county
community
action
agency
also
has
a
little
bit
of
state
funding
and
then
there's
one
other
that
I
don't
believe
is
on
this
list.
Yet
it
may
be
on
the
next
month's
list.
The
the
multi-purpose
community
action
agency
also
has
some
state
funding.
J
You
know
the
this
is
a
federal
block
grant
that
we
receive
it's.
It's
allocated
amongst
the
23
community
action
agencies
with
a
formula
that
was
set
before
any
of
us
were
around.
We.
We
have
I've
tried
to
research
how
long
that
formula
has
been
in
place.
It's
been
in
place
quite
a
long
time.
J
J
The
amount
of
state
funding
has
been
constant
for
many
years
at
least
15,
that
we
could
go
back
and
probably
longer
than
that
other
than
a
couple
of
years,
where
there
were
some
mandated
percentage
cuts.
So
I
think
the
these
state
funds
were
added
to
these
three
agencies
just
to
kind
of
support
and
supplement
what
a
little
bit
of
federal
money
they
were
getting
because
of
that
funding
formula.
So
that's
that's
our
that's.
What
we
understand
is
the
reason
for
the
state
funding.
That's
added
to.
C
Motion
by
co-chair
cook
seconded
by
representative
hart,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
will
vote
all
opposed
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
J
C
C
Just
need
clarification
that
that
motion
covers
items
number
23
and
24
on
the
list.
So
thank
you.
C
K
L
C
G
Good
morning,
mr
thomas
good
morning,
miss
smith,
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
just
started
off
with
264
million
500
000.
It's
a
lot
of
money
to
to
go
through
without
talking
about
it,
and
perhaps
if
you
could
give
us
a
explanation
on
that
who's
getting
the
money,
how
are
we
tracking
it?
How
are
we
administering
just
a
lot
of
money
getting
thrown
around
here?
Thank
you.
K
K
L
Sure
thank
you
and
to
give
you
all
a
little
bit
of
background
that
brian
alluded
to
in
the
fall
through
some
cares
act
dollars.
We
began
the
healthy
home
eviction
relief
program
to
help
get
landlords
paid
for
back
rent
and
to
keep
folks
who
were
who've
lost
income
during
the
pandemic
or
had
some
other
economic
hardship,
keep
them
housed
and
keep
evictions
out
of
our
courts.
L
So
we
began
that
in
the
fall
and
with
with
different
funds
than
this
using
the
application
online
application
that
ppc
built
for
us.
During
that
time
we
got
14.6
million
dollars
out
to
over
4
100
kentucky
households,
all
all
renter
households
that
was
across
119
counties.
L
Louisville
got
its
own
direct
allocation
of
cares
funds,
so
they
ran
their
own
program.
As
brian
said,
treasury
through
the
second
coveted
relief
legislation
created
a
program
that
treasury
calls
emergency
rental
assistance
and
that
got
approved
december
27th
through
legislation.
L
The
funds
flowed
to
the
finance
cabinet
or
to
the
commonwealth
from
treasury
in
late
january,
and
we
began
planning
actually
in
early
january.
L
So,
just
a
couple
weeks
after
the
legislation
passed
for
how
to
utilize
our
existing
application
process
and
staff
and
infrastructure
to
continue
to
get
rent
and
now
utility
assistance,
that
is
new,
we
didn't
have
assistance
with
utility
before
and
so
what
the
program
allows
us
to
do
is
to
get
landlords
through
a
direct
deposit,
a
hundred
percent
of
rental
arrears
and
three
months
of
future
rent
to
make
the
landlords
whole
to
get
the
tenants
current
and
keep
them
stably
housed
and
again
keep
eviction
cases
out
of
the
courts.
L
Once
the
cdc
eviction
moratorium
lifts,
we
already
have
we
opened
on
february
15
the
application
we
now
have.
So
in
less
than
a
month,
we
have
7
500,
renter
households
who
have
applied
and
4
900
landlords.
We
have
to
get
information
from
both
parties,
so
we
do
require
applications
from
both.
That
gives
you
a
picture
of
the
volume
of
need
or
demand
for
the
assistance
in
terms
of
applications
that
we
are
currently
ready
to
process.
L
G
L
The
program
does
not
make
an
allowance
for
that
and
we
have
had
a
number
of
landlords
through
our
first
fall
round
and
and
this
round
contact
us
about
just
that
challenge
where
someone
already
moved
out
or
has
already
been
evicted.
But
there
were
significant
arrears
owed
to
that
landlord
and
just
within
the
structure
of
those
programs,
because
it
is
intended
to
keep
people
housed.
That
is,
is
not
an
option
for
us
to
offer
a
payout
in
the
event
that
someone
has
been
evicted
or
has
left
voluntarily.
I
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
know
that
we,
probably
all
the
senators,
have
gotten
questions
and
issues,
and-
and
my
answer
right
now
is-
I
don't
know,
but
one
was
that
a
lot
of
landlords
for
for
a
long
period
of
time,
sometimes
six
months
or
so
they
just
went
without
payment,
and
now
when
people
are
going
back
to
work,
they
kind
of
started
off
making
those
payments
again.
So
now,
there'll
be
a
six
month
gap
in
back
pay,
they're
still
in
the
house,
they're
making
monthly
payments.
Now.
L
That's
exactly
I
mean
it's
for
any
kind
of
need
case,
but
that's
really
what
it's
aimed
at.
So
the
way
it's
structured
by
legislation
that
passed
december
27th
is.
We
can
go
back
to
april
1st
of
2020
to
pay
arrears.
We
can
cover
up
to
12
months
of
arrears,
so
maybe
they
paid
a
couple
months.
They
missed
a
couple
months
or
they
made
partial
payments.
We
can
make
up
the
difference
and
then
we're
allowed
to
pay
three
months
of
future
rent
to
keep
them
stable
and
kind
of
give
folks.
L
L
Absolutely
so
your
best
bet
is
to
google
healthy
at
home
eviction
relief
fund,
but
the
website
is
team,
ky,
h,
erf.ky.gov
and
that's
got
a
ton
of
program
details.
The
income
limits
it's
pretty
roomy
in
terms
of
the
incomes
we
can
serve.
We
can
go
up
to
80
percent
of
area
median
income,
we're
an
organization
that
usually
deals
with
deeper
income
targeting
for
housing
assistance.
So
this
is.
We
can
help
a
pretty
broad
swath
of
households.
L
C
G
L
It's
all
of
the
above.
We
see
a
little
bit
of
everything.
The
way
the
system
that
ppc
built
us
works
is
we
do
require
that
each
party
has
the
others
email.
We
have
to
have
documentation
from
both
parties
at
per
the
legislation.
There's
just
some
things
we
have
to
gather
from
each.
So
if
the
landlord
applies
first,
then
their
tenant
is
sent
an
email
that
says
your
landlord
has
completed
their
application.
You
need
to
get
yours
in,
or
the
reverse
happens.
L
If
the
tenant
goes
in
first,
then
the
landlord
gets
an
email
saying
please
complete
this.
We
do
also,
if
we
don't
hear
from
the
landlord
fairly
promptly
or
the
tenant,
we
reach
out
and
call
them.
If,
if
the
other
party
gave
us
a
phone
number,
so
we
could
try
to
get
them
to
go
ahead
and
get
their
documentation
in
to
prevent
fraud.
We've
got
to
have
some
elements
of
documentation
from
each
party.
G
And
I
can't
imagine
either
party
once
that
process
has
started.
I
would
imagine
that
either
party
would
be
quick
to
jump
on
it.
You
know
the
tenant
wants
to
get
that
covered.
The
landlord
wants
to
get
his
money
his
or
her
money.
So
has
there
been
any
trouble
with
one
party
completely
balking
on
this,
or
has
it
been.
L
Sailing
it
happens,
but
I
will
say
it
is
rare,
particularly
in
our
fall
program,
because
we
did
not
have
the
amount
of
funding
that
we
now
have.
I
mean
we
are
in
the
position
of
actually
believing
that
we
may
be
able
to
help
every
eligible
household.
That's
able
to
get
us
a
complete
application,
we're
not
usually
in
that
position
with
a
program
like
this.
So
in
the
fall
we
required
landlords
to
forgive
10,
to
write
off
10
percent
of
the
arrears.
That's
not
the
case.
L
The
one
issue
is
that
some
landlords
are
kind
of
they've
reached
a
breaking
point
and
they
just
want
to
evict
and
if
that's
their
intention,
they're
disinclined
to
participate
because
we
do
require,
but
they
don't
evict
the
tenant
for
a
period
of
time
for
at
least
45
days
after
we've.
Given
our
funding,
they've
got
to
commit
to
not
a
victim.
C
E
C
K
L
C
A
C
Thank
you
appreciate
you
joining
us
this
morning.
Co-Chair
cook
has
questions
regarding
number
41.
G
Good
morning
ms
branham
yeah,
we
got
850
000
contract
here
and
very
very
vague
on
the
explanation
that
I
have
in
front
of
me
and
just
curious.
If
you
could
give
us
a
breakdown
of
what
is
happening
with
this
850
000,
please.
M
Yes,
sir,
the
initial
contract
that
was
set
up
to
disperse
funds
from
the
team
kentucky
fund
expired,
as
it
was
governed
by
the
executive
order,
which
expired
on
february
6th.
We
still
had
a
balance
in
the
team
kentucky
fund
and
in
order
to
continue
disbursement
of
vouchers,
we
established
this
second
contract
for
the
850
thousand
dollars.
M
M
Yes,
sir
included
in
the
contract,
they
it
was
allowed
that
a
household
receive
a
maximum
of
one
thousand
dollars
in
vouchers.
This
could
not
exceed
monthly
expenses.
So,
for
one
month
you
you
had
expenses
that
you
could
prove
that
qualified
for
only
nine
hundred
dollars.
That
was
the
maximum
that
you
could
receive.
G
And
what
how
are
one
more
follow-up?
What
about?
How
are
the
payouts
going,
what
percentage
of
our
unemployed
kentuckians
actually
received?
This
did
100
have
100
re
receive
this
or
where,
where
is
that.
M
G
It
does
I'm
just
trying
to
I'm
just
trying
to
fill
this
fill
the
gap
here.
So
we
had,
we
had
4
thousand
applications.
G
G
Okay,
I'm
just
I'm
curious,
I'm
trying
to
see
what
our
percentage
of
unemployment
was
versus
the
percent
that
actually
that
actually
applied
for
this
fund
and
then
how
that
was
paid
out
is
kind
of
where
I
was
going
with
that.
M
G
E
Yes,
you
mentioned
that
the
executive
order
expired
february
6
and
we
had
excess
funds
we
needed
to
put
through.
So
does
this
complete
the
funds,
or
is
this
an
ongoing
thing
that
there's
going
to
be
more
funds
coming
in.
M
No
ma'am
this,
the
acceptance
of
donations
has
ceased,
and
the
second
contract
allows
for
no
extensions
that
and
this
the
current
contract
expires,
may
1st
2021,
but
there
there
was
a
small
balance
left
in
the
fund
after
the
donation
ceased
and
after
the
deadline
passed
and
in
those
funds
it's
a
balance
of
about
ninety
one
hundred
dollars
will
be
refunded
to
the
entities
who
donated
that
money
so
effectively.
This
program
has
come
to
a
halt.
C
E
C
C
Aye
motion
carries
and
appreciate
you
being
here
this
with
us
this
morning
and
giving
us
insight
into
this.
C
Final
item
on
the
agenda
is
an
exemption
request.
This
came
from
the
justice
and
public
safety
cabinet
department
of
corrections
and
it's
a
request:
an
exemption
from
committee
policy
statement
99-4,
which
prohibits
contracts
and
agreements
from
extend
beyond
the
biennium
for
a
comprehensive
medical
services
contract
for
the
inmate
population.
C
The
initial
term
for
this
contract
will
expire
june,
30th
2024
with
two
additional
two
optional
two-year
renewals
and
it's
100
general
funds
and
our
representatives
from
the
department
of
corrections
or
justin's
safety
cabinet.
Are
you
here
today.
N
Yes,
hillary
daley
deputy
commissioner
of
support
services
for
the
department
of
corrections.
C
All
right,
thank
you.
If
I
could,
let
me
give
our
community
members
a
little
back
background
on
this,
because,
with
the
exception
of
representative
hart
and
no
one
else
was
involved
in
this
decision
last
year-
and
this
came
to
us
last
july
to
ask
for
an
exemption
at
that
time,
but
to
go
back
a
little
bit
further
in
history.
C
Last
spring
representative
nemes
and
his
capacity's
chairman
of
the
budget
subcommittee,
who
oversees
the
justice
cabinet,
raised
some
serious
concerns
about
the
rfp
which
had
been
distributed
for
this
particular
contract
and
bear
in
mind.
This
is
a
750
million
dollar
contract
and
his
concerns
I'll
try
to
abbreviate
this
as
much
as
possible.
C
But
the
turnaround
time
for
that
rrp
was
only
21
days,
which
is
15
working
days
and
bear
in
mind
750
million
dollar
contract,
and
there
was
no
pre-proposal
conference
that
was
offered
to
prospective
bidders
and,
according
to
the
timeline
responses
to
questions
from
vendors,
they
only
had
one
week
five
working
days
to
submit
those
responses
and
really
not
enough
time
to
analyze.
Those
in
in
in
integrate
the
data
in
the
response.
C
The
rpp
also
contain
no
data
on
pharmacy
and
dental
components
and
bear
in
mind.
This
is
just
not
medical,
but
it
is
some
pharmacy.
Mental
health
and
dental
and
the
resulting
contract
would
have
a
10-year
term,
which
seems
extraordinarily
long
in
any
measure,
and
he
finishes
by
saying
that
it
appeared
that
then
the
incumbent
vendor
had
a
significant
competitive
advantage,
not
accessible
to
the
other
healthcare
providers,
and
this
would
only
not
only
lead
to
major
competitive
vendors
deciding
against
the
main
proposal,
but
much
worse.
C
It
was
artificially
inflate
the
cost
of
the
contract
and,
as
a
result
of
his
work,
the
work
of
his
committee
that
rfp
with
was
withdrawn
and
they
kind
of
went
back
to
square
one.
During
that
testimony
for
the
committee
secretary,
noble
was
in
attendance
since
she
agreed
that
the
rp
really
was
not
supportable
and
I'm
I'm
quoting
from
her
statements
here
that
there
really
wasn't
a
lot
of
trust
in
the
process
and
it
was
totally
unsupported.
C
It
was
not
a
proper
rfp
and
her
commitment
to
100,
good
and
open
process,
and
she
also
compressed
earned
and
concerns
about
the
10-year
term.
It's
a
follow-up
to
that
in
november.
Another
committee.
C
Meeting
and
representative
nemas
mentioned
again
his
concern
about
the
rfp
in
his
development
and
asked
for
world
legislative
involvement,
but
some
things
he
had
asked
for
in
the
upcoming
rfp
was
that
the
justice,
cabinet
and
department
of
corrections
would
meet
with
qualified
companies
in
the
correctional
healthcare
industry
prior
to
rfp
release.
N
We
really
felt
it
was
improper
to
meet
with
potential
vendors
prior
to
the
rfp
being
released.
We
believe
in
the
integrity
of
the
procurement
process
and
the
rfp
process
is
the
opportunity
for
vendors
to
put
their
best
foot
forward,
and
you
know
we
did
have
a
vendors
conference
or
a
virtual
tour
which
all
the
vendors
were
invited.
N
N
I
apologize,
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt.
We
did
the
virtual
site
visit
with
our
two
primary
medical
facilities,
that's
the
kentucky
state
reformatory
and
the
kentucky
correctional
institution
for
women
when
these
services
were
bid
out
over
seven
years
ago.
Those
were
the
two
facilities
that
were
used
for
in-person
tours.
N
Yes,
that
is
my
understanding.
We,
we
had
a
lot
of
very
detailed
attachments
to
this
rfp,
I
believe
over
20
attachments
and
if
the
data
that
is
needed
by
the
vendors
they
felt
was
not
provided
that
they
had
that
opportunity
to
ask
for
it.
During
the
two
rounds
of
questions.
N
N
I
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me:
it's
very
thorough,
there's
a
cost
proposal
and
a
technical
proposal.
I
can
get
a
copy
of
that
rfp
to
the
committee.
If
you
all
would
like
to
see
it.
C
N
It
it's
a
very
robust
and
lengthy
rfp.
I
apologize
for
not
having
to
pull
that
in
front
of
me,
but
I
will
you
know,
be
sure
that
that
is
sent
over
to
the
committee
and
please
feel
free
to
ask
us
follow-up
questions.
C
Well,
I'll
go
back
to
secretary
noble's
comments
last
spring
to
the
committee.
We're
committed
to
you,
know:
100
percent,
good
and
open
processes,
and
even
though
we've
extended
the
timeline
a
little
bit
for
this
from
21
working
days
to
35
working
days
for
a
750
million
dollar
contract.
This
seems
like
it's
still
a
very,
very
short
time
frame,
and
I
think
it
was
his
expectation
that
when
the
rp
was
being
developed,
that
there'd
be
some
legislative
review
of
that
and
obviously
that
didn't
occur
as
well.
C
I
am
pleased
that
we've
reduced
the
timeline
from
10
years
to
seven
years,
but
that
still
seems
to
be
excessive
to
me,
but
I
really
don't
see
how
you're
going
to
get
credible
responses
of
this
on
such
a
tor
short
time
frame
that
these
vendors
have
to
put
this
together.
You
know
again,
this
is
a
100
millions
of
dollar
contract,
so
there's
great
potential
for
profit
here,
but
there's
also
a
great
potential
for
for
loss
for
risk.
If
you
don't,
if
you're,
not
fully
informed
of
what
this
all
entails.
N
Well,
we're
we
would
like
to
have
this
awarded
for
the
onset
of
the
new
by
of
the
next
fiscal
year,
I
believe,
is
one
of
the
most
primary
concerns.
We've
extended
our
existing
medical
contracts
several
times,
but
I
believe
you
know
with
the
committee
support
we're
open
to
looking
at
our
options
on
the
length
of
how
long
the
rfp
is
issued.
C
Well,
I
hope
not
everyone
has
this
concern,
but
again
it's
it's
a
sizable
contract
and
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
disturbed
that
we
had
this
discussion
last
spring
representative
neiman,
I
think
just
did
an
admiral
job
of
outlining
what
the
concerns
are
and
what
we
should
consider
going
forward.
C
And
after
we
gave
the
exemption
approved
the
exemption
request
last
year
that
why
we
didn't
almost
start
immediately
on
developing
rfp,
rather
than
wait
until
november.
To
put
this
thing
together
and
not
get
it
out
to
the
perspective
bidders
until
january,
15th.
N
N
C
Fair
and
representative
response
to
rfp
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
think
we're
setting
ourselves
up
for
failure
here.
There
are
other
companies
that
can
do
this
work
and
and
should
be
given
serious
consideration,
but
I
don't
know
how
they
respond
to
this
voluminous
proposal
in
such
a
short
time
frame.
So
would
consideration
be
given
to
extended
at
least
another
30-45
days.
C
E
You
mentioned,
I
think,
that
you
said
there
were
two
companies
that
have
responded
to
the
rfp.
Is
that
correct.
E
Okay,
so
we
don't
know
in
this
space
I
mean
obviously
corrections.
Medical
services
can
be
or
cannot
be,
maybe
but
kind
of
a
specialized
thing,
maybe
not
everybody's
in
it.
Do
you
have
an
idea
of
the
universe
of
possible
vendors,
the
number
of
that
how
many
might
be
eligible
even
to
put
in
for
the
rfp.
N
E
N
N
E
Now
I'm
going
to
need
some
assistance
with
time
frames
here
to
get
from
march
22nd
moving
forward
to
getting
things
ready
for
july
1..
Mr
chairman,
maybe
you
know
better
than
I
do,
but
is
there
that
he
just
asked
for
an
extension
of
time
is?
Is
there
come
march
22nd?
Is
there
gonna
be
space
to
add
30
days
to
still
get
this
going,
or
we
definitely
need
to
do
a
whole
year
extension
or
like?
What
does
that
look
like.
N
In
order
to
evaluate
this
properly,
especially
a
procurement
of
this
magnitude,
we
would
probably
have
to
ask
for
to
extend
our
current
medical
agreements
in
front
of
the
committee.
E
One
more
question,
mr
chairman:
the
costs
for
the
current
medical
agreements.
I
know
we're
talking
about
750
million,
but
I
think
that
was
maybe
the
number
for
the
10-year
or
I'm
not
really
sure,
but
I'm
just
basic
math
here
number
of
years
you
know
total
cost.
What
are
we
looking
at
right
now
for
our
total
cost
and
how
does
that
compare
to
this
750
and
or
whatever
else
we
think
we're
going
to
get.
N
E
Okay,
mr
chairman,
one
more
that
was
the
last
one,
but
it's
not
my
last
one
now
so
if
we
have
750
million
for
a
10-year
agreement,
are
you
saying
that
there's
some
some
kind
of
cost
savings
buying
in
bulk
per
se
versus
88
million
for
a
one-off
year
or
what?
What
is?
What
does
that
look
like.
N
G
Sir
good
morning,
thank
you
for
being
on
here.
My
question
is
about
the
virtual
tour
and
I
understand
the
world
of
kovit.
You
know
it's
tough
to
actually
do
that,
but
this
is
a
extremely
long
contract
for
an
extremely
large
amount
of
money.
What
how
could
you
properly
portray?
What
was
going
to
go
on
with?
I
don't
know
what
those?
What
did
those
virtual
tours
consist
of?
How
did
they
do
that
is?
Is
there
any
possible
way
we
can
actually
get
those
people
to
do?
G
Do
the
actual
tour
just
had
some
concerns
about
that,
and
then
I'll
have
one
follow-up
right.
N
Like
I
said,
the
videos
were
very
in-depth
as
far
as
the
help
how
kciw
and
ksr
are
set
up,
most
especially
the
medical
units
and
the
medical
in
order
to
do
an
in-person
tour.
I
definitely
have
to
you
know,
consult
with
our
commissioner
in
the
cabinet.
We
have,
you
know,
very
large
concerns
about
having
people
within
our
prisons
that
includes
central
office
staff.
I
haven't
been
in
a
prison
since
cove
had
started.
N
For
that
very
reason.
We
have
a
very
we
want
to
protect
our
population
at
all
costs.
So
again,
I
would
have
to
have
longer
conversations
with
our
executive
staff
and
cabinet
staff.
G
I
understand
that
it
just
seems
like
for
this
amount
that
you
know
possibly
covid
test
could
have
been
performed
and
some
kind
of
process
on
that
is
there
a
bitter
packet
and,
if
so,
how
many
firms
requested
the
bitter
packets
and
then
actually
participated
in
those
virtual
meetings.
I'm
just
curious
back
to
senator
southwest
question
and
kind
of
going
there,
so
how
many
p,
how
many
firms
actually
participated
in
those
virtual
tours.
E
Yeah
one
follow-up
on
time
frame.
We
talked
about
getting
the
rfp,
you
didn't
have
in
front
of
you
we're
talking
about
it
today
and
then
also
the
company
numbers.
Is
that
something
that
you
have
like
on
your
computer?
We
can
find
within
10
minutes
or
like
by
the
end
of
today,
or
we
need
to
talk
to
somebody
else
by
tomorrow
or
when
are
we
going
to
be
able
to.
D
Mr
chairman,
I'm
just
I
think
the
the
extending
the
period
for
the
contract
review
is
appropriate
to
ensure
that
it's
a
fair
process,
but
I'm
just
kind
of
a
loss
of
what,
if
they're,
going
to
get
his
information
tomorrow.
C
C
I
understand
the
challenges
that
everybody's
having
with
the
the
pandemic,
but
even
more
reason,
to
give
these
prospective
vendors
more
time
to
look
at
this,
because
they
can't
give
you
an
effective
proposal
if
they
can't
go
into
the
facilities-
and
we
know
that's
still
not
acceptable,
given
us
current
circumstances.
But
I
think
we
should
extend
this
some
additional
time
to
ask
more
in-depth
questions,
get
more
information
whatever
they
need,
and
that's
a
request
I
would
make
of
the
cabinet
is
extend
this
considering
extended
from
the
30
to
45
days.
C
My
preference
would
be
45
days,
but
if
not
in
the
minimum
30
days-
and
you
know
if
we
need
to
extend
the
current
contract
and
the
governor
can
certainly
do
that
under
executive
order.
But
I
think
it's
too
important
for
the
people
of
kentucky
again
750
million
dollar
contract.
If
there's
a
10
savings
here,
it's
substantial
that
we
can
use
in
other
places.
So
that's
so
record,
that's
the
request
I
would
make
of
of
the
of
the
cabinet.
D
Mr
chairman,
if
it's
appropriate,
I
would
make
a
motion
to
defer
this
until
we
get
all
the
information.
C
L
C
C
Aye
motion
carries
and
miss
daily.
I
know
these
are
really
challenging
times
for
everyone
and
we're
not
trying
to
make
life
difficult
for
you
or
anyone
within
the
cabinet
department
corrections.
But
you
know
we
do
have
a
fiduciary
responsibility
to
the
people
of
kentucky
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
spending
our
dollars
as
effectively
as
we
possibly
can.
So
I
sincerely
appreciate
you
being
with
us
this
morning
in
respectful
requests
that
you
all
give
serious
consideration.
Extending
this
timeline.