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B
D
A
Thank
you.
The
minute
should
reflect
that
a
quorum
is
present
and
that
the
committee
is
duly
constituted
to
conduct
business
pursuant
to
krs
45a
705
government
contract
review
committee
members
serve
two-year
terms.
Committee
chairs
are
elected
by
committee
members
also
for
two-year
terms,
though
those
terms
have
now
expired
and
new
elections
must
be
held
pursuant
to
the
aforementioned
statute.
G
A
A
Senator
hornback
has
nominated
senator
meredith.
Is
there
a
second
second
about
senator
southworth?
Is
there
a
motion
from
a
senate
member
that
nominations
cease
and
that
senator
meredith
be
elected
by
acclimation
motion
by
senator
meredith
seconded
second
senator
southward
motion
had
been
made
in
second,
that
nomination
ceased
and
that
senator
meredith
be
elected
senate
co-chair
by
acclamation
without
objection
so
ordered.
I
present
senator
meredith
the
senate,
co-chair
of
the
government
contract
review
committee.
F
Thank
you
kim
and
like
to
welcome
all
the
new
committee
members
big
turnover
this
year,
a
person
committee
and
we've
got
five
new
members,
and
it
can
be
a
little
bit
overwhelming
in
the
very
beginning
and
one
things
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
if
you
haven't
done
so
already,
is
review
chapter
45a,
which
is
our
model
procurement
code
for
kentucky,
and
if
you
want
to
get
to
the
rears
digest
version
of
it,
I
suggest
you
go
to
45a
0.705,
which
gives
the
specific
authority
to
this
committee
and
unless
four
bullet
points,
but
just
for
simplification.
F
This
morning,
I'd
like
to
point
out
three.
That
really
are
the
essence
of
what
we
do.
One
is
to
examine
whether
the
service
could
or
should
be
performed
by
state
personnel
for
personal
service
contracts
and
memorandum
of
agreement
examine
the
amount
in
duration
of
the
contract
or
agreement
and
examine
the
appropriateness
of
any
exchange
of
resources
or
responsibilities.
F
F
Remember
we're
an
essence
kind
of
advisor
in
nature
that
the
final
decision,
arrests
with
the
finance
cabinet
so
again
a
lot
of
information
short
period
of
time.
We've
got
a
lot
of
contracts
that
are
pulled
today,
which
is
kind
of
unusual
this
time
of
year,
but
we'll
get
right
into
it.
I
would
hope
that
we
can
complete
this
work
in
an
hour's
time,
because
I
know
other
people
have
other
commitments
and
responsibilities,
so
we
will
move
right
into
the
agenda
unless
there's
some
questions
or
comments.
Anyone
would
like
to
make
beforehand.
F
If
not
again,
let
me
congratulate
representative
cook
for
being
co-chair
of
this
committee.
Look
forward
to
working
with
you
first
time
in
the
generous
consideration
of
the
minutes,
the
december
15
2020
meeting
of
the
committee
is
there
a
motion
that
they
be
considered
as
being
approved
motioned
by
representative
mentor
scissor.
Second,
second,
by
representative
hart,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
vote.
I
always
post
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
F
I
F
Are
you
so
low
this
morning.
I
I'm
well,
I
believe
one
of
our
attorneys
is
with
us
quan.
Are
you.
I
F
F
Service,
commission
all
right,
thank
you
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning.
Obviously
these
were
deferred
from
the
previous
meeting
and
I
believe
some
of
our
committee
members
may
have
received
the
correspondence
you
sent
to
us
as
a
follow-up
to
our
deferral.
I
appreciate
that
information
very
much
and
I
think
in
like
the
fact
we
have
new
committee
members
here
today
that
it's
important
to
cover
that
again.
I
Absolutely
absolutely,
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
today,
as
I
explained
in
my
letter,
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
go
too
far
into
detail,
but
to
help
the
new
committee
members,
the
citing
board,
was
established
statutorily
to
review
opportunities,
merchant
proposals
for
new
generation,
new
electrical
generation
under
that
statute,
the
psc,
in
addition
to
being
responsible
for
those
is,
as
the
sighting
board
is
attached
to
the
psc.
I
What
we've
seen
and
then
between
2014
and
2019.
There
were
absolutely
no
petitions
made
to
the
siding
board.
What
we've
seen
is
an
abundance
of
new
solar
sites
proposed,
and
so
we
have
issued
these
consultants
we're
exercising
our
options
in
the
contracts
that
we
have
with
them
to
have
them,
develop
the
site
assessment
reports
that
are
required
statutorily
for
the
citing
board
and
that's.
F
F
Well,
thank
you,
but
the
the
essence
of
our
concern
was
that
who
is
paying
this
expense
and
it's
paid
for
by
the
developer?
Is
that
correct.
I
Yes,
I
I
apologize
the
the
sighting
board.
There
are
requirements
in
the
statute
that
the
sighting
board
take
a
deposit
for
each
proposed
merchant
plant
or
merchant
power
product
producer.
The
deposit
then
pays
for
the
consultant
and
it
is
an
actual
fee.
So
there
is
a
process
at
the
end
that
if
the
siting
board
the
consultant
charges
more
than
what
the
deposit
was,
then
the
merchant
plant
has
to
pay
the
balance
of
it.
So
there's
no
impact
to
the
general
fund.
This
is
paid
entirely
by
the
developers.
F
Well,
no
impact
the
general
fund
is
always
music
to
our
ears.
I
certainly
understand
it
now,
if
there's
any
other
questions
for
the
committee
members,
if
not
going
to
have
a
motion
to
approve
this
contract,
so
motion
by
representative
cook
saying
about
reps
in
the
park
almost
in
favor
of
the
motion
vote,
I
all
opposed
vote.
No,
please
call
the.
D
F
Total
number
of
items
on
the
agenda
today
we
have
569
agreements
in
the
amount
of
224
million,
6,
321
dollars
and
13
cents.
Next
order
of
business
consideration
agenda,
including
the
deferred
list,
personal
service
contract
list.
Psc
amendment
list
memorandum
of
agreement
list
memorandum
of
agreement,
amendment
list
and
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review,
do
we
have
a
motion?
Consider
the
contracts
reviewed
without
objection.
F
Motion
representing
the
heart
is
our
second
second,
by
representing
inventor
all
those
in
favor
of
vote.
I
I'll
oppose
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
F
Aye
motion
carries
the
first
item
on
the
pulled
list
with
the
department
of
military
affairs
and
is
number
27
on
the
routine
psc
green
list.
If
representatives
are
here
or
president,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
J
Mr
chairman,
this
is
brigadier
general
retired
ben
adams,
executive,
director
department
of
military
affairs.
I
also
have
a
retired
breeder
carly
jones
challenge
and
I
have
my
budget
hunter.
The
department
of
development.
F
Appreciate
you
being
here
we're
having
a
little
bit
difficulty
with
your
feedback
on
your
microphone,
so
we
may
have
to
have
a
little
redundancy
here
unless
you
repeat
yourself,
but
just
for
the
committee's
information.
This
contract
was
pulled
because
there's
a
retroactive
request
for
approval
and
even
though
we
have
virtually
80
of
our
new
members,
our
members
are
new.
The
remaining
members
being
center
horn
back
and
representative
hart
will
tell
you
that
our
committee
has
a
real
aversion
to
retroactive
approval
contracts
and
sometimes
they
are
justified
and
more
often
not
they're.
F
F
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
hope
the
the
feedback
is
not
difficult.
I'm
having
a
difficult
time
in
the
building
over
here
on
boone
center.
It's
all
concrete
and
the
signal
is
pretty
weak.
But
again,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
for
us
to
be
able
to
explain
the
situation
that,
unfortunately,
that
we
ended
up
with
and
and
to
let
you
know.
This
is
not
how
the
department
military
affairs
does
business.
J
In
this
case,
sir,
however,
when
when
covid
and
the
pandemic
started,
the
youth
challenge,
schools
were
allowed
to
remain
open
and
in
the
beginning
of
this
process,
one
of
the
mandated
requirements
was
that
all
cadets
and
kennedy
had
remained
negative
and,
as
we
began
each
class
and
throughout
the
classes
they
were
checked
periodically.
J
Unfortunately,
when
this
was
started,
the
rapids
test
was
not
part
of
a
master
agreement
and
we
had
not
known
that
in
the
beginning
and
as
we
continue
to
pay
our
bills,
the
growth
of
the
the
billing
far
exceeded
our
ability
to
to
pay
based
on
the
limitations
that
we
had
as
we
we
found
this
out
and
in
some
of
the
confusion
too,
was
how
the
the
organizations
that
were
doing
the
testing
was
trying
to
bill
us
individually
versus
as
a
as
a
complete
bill
for
a
class.
J
So
as
we
did
that
we
contacted
finance
and
unfortunately
we
should
have
reached
out
to
your
committee,
sir,
to
let
you
know
that
we
were
in
that
predicament
and
it's
certainly
a
lesson
learned.
But
we
have
since
created
the
the
contract
we've
caught
up
with
all
of
our
bills,
and
we
have
actually
two
classes
get
ready
to
begin
right
now,
and
we
hope
that
the
committee
will
agree
with
our
approach
and
our
contract
and
allow
us
to
continue
forward
with
the
the
training
and
also
the
education
for
these
at-risk
children.
F
Thank
you,
sir,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
again
for
the
conference
call
we
had
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
It
was
a
very
beneficial
for
me
personally
again
just
for
the
information
on
new
committee
members,
sometimes
having
a
retroactive
request
at
six
months
old
to
me
personally
raises
a
red
flag
and
that's
why
I
pulled
this
in
defense
of
these
folks.
F
That's
not
in
our
statute.
It's
just
a
request.
I
think
it
shows
respect
for
committing
responsibilities.
We
have
because
again
very
difficult
for
us
to
feel
the
responsibilities
of
our
committee
to
say
these
things
are
legitimate
if
it
happens
six
months
after
the
fact,
so
these
folks
again
understand
that
and
have
committed
to
me
that
they
will
communicate
with
us
in
the
future
in
that
manner,
and
I
appreciate
that
so
to
that
anthropology
questions.
I'd,
entertain
a
motion
to
consider
the
contract
with
you.
F
Without
objection
motion
by
representative
cook
seconded
by
center
southward
clerk,
if
you
would
please
call
the
row.
H
F
D
F
D
Yes,
chairman,
my
name
is
randall
royer,
I'm
the
executive
director
for
the
office
of
volunteer
transportation
cabinet.
I
have
at
least
three
other
individuals
from
my
office
here
today.
G
Let
me
just
start
off
by
telling
the
agency
staff
committee
members
a
new
member
of
the
committee,
I'm
going
to
ask
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
questions
may
well
be
asking
questions
that
might
be
considered
redundant
by
people
that
have
been
on
this
committee
for
a
while
or
previous
meetings
and
previous
members,
but
take
this
seriously,
I
really
look
forward
to
this
with
that
being
said,
mr
chairman,
I
pulled
this
contract
with
the
kentucky
transportation
cabinet
for
the
auditing
of
the
k
n
rock
ferry,
because
I'm
concerned
that
we're
spending
thirty
thousand
dollars
to
audit
this
business
when
the
state
auditor
operates
on
a
fee
for
service
program,
and
perhaps
we
should
be
looking
at
them
for
this
work,
so
an
explanation
be
great.
D
Yes,
we
did
offer
this
to
the
apa
and
they
turned
it
down,
stating
staffing
requirements
and
that's
why
we
had
to
bid
it
out.
I
have
an
external
staff.
I
only
have
four
auditors
and
we're
dealing
with
a
number
of
other
issues,
including
ppp
issued
with
our
consultants.
D
D
F
K
Hello,
mr
chairman,
do
you
we
have
any
idea
like
the
nature
of
the
services?
Is
this
a
fairly?
I
mean
limited
number
of
people
out
there,
or
we
just
happen
to
only
have
one
response.
This
one
time.
B
We
reached
out
to,
I
think
there
were
three
or
four
others
that
we.
K
F
G
F
Motion
senator
southworth,
a
second
second
about
a
represented
mentor.
Also
in
favor
of
the
motion
vote.
I
all
opposed
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
D
I
F
Aye
motion
carries
moving
on
to
our
next
contract.
Representative
cook
has
a
question
on
number
33
on
the
psc
amendment
ivory
list
representative
cook.
G
A
Right
will
will
fogle.
Are
you
on
here.
D
H
This
is
a
personal
service
contract
with
wyatt
territory
combs
in
connection
primarily
back
when
the
louisville
bridges
project
was
getting
underway
in
connection
with
the
provisions
of
krs-175b,
which
established
the
kentucky
public
transportation
infrastructure
authority
and
dealt
with
the
implementation
of
that
statute
and
legal
services
in
connection
with
the
the
bridges
project
and
ongoing
legal
services.
H
H
Add
some
information
as
to
the
process
that
occurred
to
bring
the
white
firm
in
which
was
before
my
my
term,
but
that's
that's.
The
the
thumbnail
sketch
of
the
of
the
overall
reasoning
for
outside
counsel
in
this
circumstance
is
the
the
complexity
of
the
legal
work
required
in
the
expertise
of
the
firm
that
was
that
was
that
was
chosen.
H
Yes,
there
is
continued
litigation,
which
is
proceeding
in
federal
court
in
indianapolis
regarding
toll
receipts,
which
of
course
is
a
class
action
lawsuit
in
federal
court,
which
again
is
a
very
complex
item
of
litigation
in
which
the
wyatt
firm
is
representing,
kiptia
and
and
that
litigation
is,
is
ongoing
and
and
will
be,
of
course,
for
some
time
as
the
class
has
not
been
certified,
not
really
can't
get
into
too
much
details
with
respect
to
the
litigation.
But
it's
it's
certainly
ongoing,
as,
as
you
mentioned,
sir.
H
It
was
it's,
it
was
found
a
little
more
than
a
year
ago,
as
I
recall,
and,
of
course,
in
a
class
action
lawsuit.
You
have
a
an
extensive
discovery
phase,
as
well
as
a
class
certification
phase
which,
which
is
the
process
of
identifying
potential
claimants,
to
allege
that
they
have
been
improperly
billed
for
tolling,
using
the
louisville
bridges.
F
C
M
F
Aye
motion
carries
and
thank
you
folks
for
testifying
this
morning.
We
appreciate
the
information.
F
F
Next
item
on
the
pool
list
are
with
the
university
of
kentucky
and
our
number
is
45
47
48
on
the
routine
psc
green
list
and
numbers
36,
37,
38
and
39
on
the
psc
amendment
ivory
list.
If
representatives
are
here-
and
I
know
they
are-
please
come
forward
and
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
E
Good
morning,
mr
chairman,
chairman,
meredith
chairman
cook,
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here.
I
think
what
we
have
today,
I
believe,
are
seven
total
contracts
pulled.
F
F
E
We
were
admittedly
sold
just
putting
amounts
on
contracts
that
we
thought
we
might
get
to
as
opposed
to
actual
dollar
amounts.
We
were
spending.
We
have
fundamentally
changed
their
process.
We
are
now
trying
to
give
best
guesstimates
of
what
we're
going
to
spend
on
contracts
and
that's
the
reason
you
see
four
today
that
have
scope
increases.
E
We
missed
what
we
were
going
to
spend,
but
yet
we
didn't
over
inflate
those
when
we
initially
submitted
them,
but
but
you're
going
to
see
some
of
these
come
back
as
we
move
through
the
rest
going
forward.
I
guess
is
my
point,
but
the
committee
made
a
suggestion.
We
took
it
and
I
think
we're
both
better
for
it.
So
I
appreciate
the
chairman's
direction
on
that.
F
F
You
had
over
330
thousand
330
million
dollars
in
consulting
contracts
that
are
on
an
as-needed
basis,
and
that
was
the
point
of
our
concern.
Absolutely.
I
appreciate
you
hearing
us
on
that.
But
to
that
end,
let's
jump
into
these
specific
contracts
and
senator
southwest
have
questions
on
number
45
on
the
psc
green
list.
K
Yeah,
as
a
former
graphic
designer
myself,
I
am
aware
of
the
need
to
get
really
good
services,
but
I
wanted
to
get
an
idea.
Obviously,
there's
all
kinds
of
you
know:
students
that
are
probably
right
now
in
a
graphic
design
program.
K
N
I
can
I
can
address
that,
so
what
we
did
do
with
this
is
that
we
looked
actually
went
out
for
a
bid.
We
used
an
rfp
process,
that's
required
to
be
able
to
look
for
the
services
needed
for
this
activity.
I
cannot.
F
If
you
wouldn't
mind
hold
it,
let's
do
both
the
psc
contracts.
Together,
we
could
save
us
some
time
and
effort.
N
F
G
G
G
I
think
that's
something
we'd
all
like
to
have
as
a
million
dollars
for
for
as
needed.
Blank
check
for
that,
but
I
would
like
to
know
with
some
specifics
what
services
are
being
provided
and
how
we
arrived
at
this
decision
to
cut
a
million
dollar
blank
check
and
specifically,
what
what's
this
vendor,
offering
that
nobody
else
is
offering.
N
Thank
you.
First,
I'd
I'd
mention
that
the
dollars
in
which
we
pay
to
these
contractors
are
through
agency
funds,
so
they
aren't
coming
out
of.
They
aren't
really
coming
from
the
state
funds,
but
they
are
agency
funds
generated
from
uk
healthcare,
with
fti
consulting
the
reason
that
we've
included
them.
N
This
most
likely
won't
be
a
million
dollars,
but
we
are
unsure
until
they
come
through
with
the
bid
we
wanted
to
understand
with
them
and
others
we
are
going
to
go
through
a
competitive
process
with
a
couple
other
vendors
that
are
on
our
selected
list,
but
this
is
one
of
the
vendors
or
one
of
the
consultants
that
has
some
expertise
in
this
area.
Uk
healthcare
not
only
has
the
university
activities
for
our
hospital
and
our
physician
groups
in
lexington,
but
we
also
represent
a
contract
for
the
state
with
eastern
states.
N
The
the
psychiatric
hospital
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
look
at
as
an
organization
is
how
can
we
better
serve
all
both
operations
with
shared
services,
and
so
before,
we've
had
standalone
services
between
the
two
organizations.
We
think
it
would
be
best
to
be
able
to
combine
those
and
be
able
to
do
more
in
a
shared
service
environment
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
the
best
outcomes
from
a
consulting
agreement
with
with
one
of
these
organizations.
G
And
then
moving
on
the
question
green
48,
with
the
contract
to
steptoe
and
johnson,
we're
being
asked
to
contract
for
an
amount
not
to
exceed
750
000
again,
I
have
to
go
back
and
ask
the
question
what
a
university
with
a
nationally
recognized
law
firm
is
asking
for
a
budget
to
approve
three-quarters
million
dollars
without
specifically
addressing
the
specific
case
they're
going
to
be
working
on.
E
What
we
have
contracted
for
for
this
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
step
towing
johnson
again,
this
is
amount
not
to
exceed
not
necessarily
we
will
expend
it
all,
but
but
we
could,
but
but
there's
two
areas
here
on
this
contract.
One
is
specialized
title
ix
work
and
the
second
part
of
this
is
we,
as
a
uk.
E
Enterprise
are
exploring
a
handful
and
when
I
say
a
handful,
it's
more
than
one
or
two,
probably
less
than
seven
or
eight
business
opportunities
and-
and
we
require
outside
legal
counsel,
to
do
a
lot
of
the
due
diligence
on
those
things
and
that's
exactly
what
this
contract
is
for
is
evaluating
potential
business
opportunities
for
either
the
healthcare?
U
enterprise,
primarily
the
healthcare
enterprise,
on
business
opportunities
and
title
ix.
E
On
that,
quite
frankly,
for
this
specific
contract,
I
think
the
title
ix
component
is
a
very
small
piece
of
this
one.
I
think
the
due
diligence
on
some
business
opportunities
is
primarily
the
bulk
of
this
contract.
So
I
would,
I
don't
want
to
give
you
a
percentage.
My
general
counsel
is
not
here,
but
I
think
the
bulk
of
this
contract
is
for
business
due
diligence.
E
C
And
this
may,
this
may
be
a
question
that
I'm
sure
members
have
been
here
previously
would
know
right
now
we're
talking
about
ballparks
after
the
funds
are
spent
and
they're
used.
Let's
say
that
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
spent
on
title,
nine
or
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
spent
on
business
prospect
looking
into
well
those
those
amounts
be
broken
down
and
submitted
back
to
this
committee
at
any
time,
so
that
we
still
have
oversight
or
review
of
it
was
testified
today
that
it
would
be
spent
a
certain
way.
E
I
do
not
think
we're
required
to
submit
any
additional
information
once
these
contracts
are
approved.
They
are
clearly
within
the
scope
of
the
enacted
budget
we
have,
but
by
the
general
assembly,
but
and-
and
they
are
within
those
parameters,
but
I
do
not
think
we
have
any
follow-up
reporting
requirements
and
I'll
defer
to
lrc
staff
on
that
issue.
But
that
is
my
understanding.
C
If,
if
I
may
just
follow
up
in
in,
I
guess
my
look
at
coming
from
the
louisville
metro
council
and
I
had
chaired
contracts
locally,
and
one
thing
we
did
a
lot
of
times
is
repetitive
contracts.
Year
after
year,
we
would
look
at
the
past
contract
to
see
how
it
was
spent,
and
that
was
a
little
bit
oversight
to
make
sure
going
forward.
It
was
done
correctly,
so
I
wasn't
sure
if
that
was
something
we
did
here
at
the
state
level.
I
know
that
we're
doing
a
lot
more
money,
a
lot
more
contracts.
C
That
may
be
a
little
more
difficult.
My
other
quick
question
on
the
previous
contract
that
we
had
spoke
about.
It
was
testified
not
to
exceed
a
million
dollars.
We
kept
talking
about
a
million
dollars,
I'm
on
my
screen,
the
fti
consultant
inc,
consulting
it
does
save
1.5
million
dollars.
I
don't
know
if
that's
just
written
incorrectly
there
or
if
we're
talking
about
one
and
a
half
million
dollars
or
a
million
dollars.
N
It
is
1.5,
it
is
1.5.
That
is
what
the
request
is
at
this
point,
but
it
would
be
not
to
exceed
that.
N
That
was,
I
was
referring
back
to
the
the
reference
to
the
million,
but
it's
it's
1.5
is
what
we're
requesting,
but
we
could
take
it
to
a
million.
I
am
fine
with
that.
Also.
We
just
started
the
process
of
evaluating
this
one
and
we
knew
that
we
wanted
to
bring
this
consultant
to
the
table
because
of
their
expertise
and
have
them
warranted
before
we
spend
any
dollars
in
the
to
someone
that
we
weren't
allocated
for.
F
Thanks
sunday,
yates
and
mr
hardin
and
for
the
benefit
of
the
committee,
this
is
kind
of
an
ongoing
conversation
since
2018,
which
you've
already
referenced,
and
you
made
some
changes,
there's
not
a
statutory
requirement
for
you
folks
to
report
what
you
have
spent,
but
in
2018
I
think
2019.
You
did
provide
us
with
a
follow-up
report
as
to
how
those
dollars
worse
man,
even
though
you're
not
required
to
by
law.
I
think
it
helps
build
the
confidence
between
the
university
and
this
this
committee
is
to
how
we're
spending
these
dollars.
E
We
can
actually
do
we.
We
can
absolutely
do
that
chairman
on
what
kind
of
interval
you
would
want.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
you
would
want
yearly,
maybe
every
other
year
whatever,
but
but
we're
more
than
happy
to
comply
with
whatever
the
chairman's
wishes
are
in
that
space,
because
we
can
run
that
report
and-
and
we
can
make
that
available
to
you.
F
F
F
Motion
by
representative
mentors
are
second.
C
B
J
F
Aye
motion
carries
continuing
on
our
psc
amendment
ivory
list.
We
have
contracts,
37,
38,
39
and
representative
cook
senator
southworth,
and
I
all
have
questions
and
if
our
committee
members
don't
mind
I'd
like
to
take
a
lead
on
this,
because
I
think
I
know
where
we're
going
with
this
because
again,
we've
had
this
conversation
once
before.
F
I
appreciate
your
earlier
explanation
about
this,
mr
hardin,
about
the
change
in
the
process.
You've
had.
F
F
My
concern
is
again
and
again,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
shared
by
the
other
committee
members.
Is
that
we're
approving
amounts
for
projects
on
as
needed
basis
without
having
any
idea
what
those
projects
are
going
to
be,
and
I
don't
want
to
tie
the
hands
of
any
organization,
particularly
one
the
size
of
the
university
of
kentucky
in
the
medical
center,
but
I
just
have
never
felt
that's
consistent
with
the
intent
of
chapter
45a,
where
in
essence,
giving
you
folks
a
blank
check
and
said
here.
F
It
is
trust
us,
you
know
again
the
way
I
think
it
gives
us
some
confidence
is
what
we've
already
talked
about
is
come
back
a
year
later
and
tell
us
what
you
actually
spent,
but
I'm
not
sure
where
I'm
ever
going
to
get
the
comfort
level
that
I'm
satisfied
with
that
and
again
I
don't
know
how
to
resolve
that.
But
that's
my
concern
with
these
questions
but
I'll
yield
to
representative
cook.
F
E
Me
just
address
a
couple
of
those
comments.
I
think
you're
right.
You
know
we
especially
in
uk,
healthcare
we're
about
a
2.8
billion
dollar
enterprise,
and
let
me
state
this
very
clearly:
no
general
fund
dollars
run
through
that
enterprise,
but
nevertheless,
this
general
assembly
appropriates
the
entirety
of
the
budget
for
the
university
of
kentucky.
That
does
include
uk
health
care,
so
that
is
the
ultimate
policy
document
and
the
spending
parameters
you
put
around
us.
E
So
you
do
have
the
final
say
on
what
we
get
to
spend
in
uk
health
care
I'll
start
there,
but
you
are
correct
all
these
contracts,
especially
these
four.
I
think
we
can
go
through
each
one
of
them
and
tell
you
why
we
need
these
scope
increases
it's
it's
not
a
blanket
per
se.
I
know
it
might
be
perceived
that
way
and
it's
easy
to
perceive
it
that
way,
but
I
think
every
contract
we
bring
to
you.
We
expect
a
positive
roi
on
that
for
uk
healthcare.
E
We
are
not.
We
are
not
entering
into
contracts
that
we
do
not
believe
will
produce
a
net
positive
value
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
these
contracts
are
the
ones
that
are
helping
us,
identify
business
decision
and
and
opportunities
that
will
increase
that
npv
occasionally
will
we
have
a
contract
that
comes
out
that
doesn't
show
a
positive
npv?
F
Certainly,
don't
deny
anybody
the
need
for
consulting
services,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
purpose
of
this
committee,
to
put
it
very
straightforwardly,
is
we're
kind
of
the
good
housekeeping
seal
of
approval
that
it's
validation
to
our
constituents
that
yeah
these
monies
are
spent
they're
spent
wisely.
We
hope
every
consulting
contract
has
roi.
I
don't
think
they
do.
That's.
C
F
F
F
If
those
are
separate
scopes
of
work
shouldn't
that
additional
5
million
be
separately
bid
because
it
looks
like
it
potential
and
again
folks,
I'm
not
challenging
your
integrity
whatsoever.
It's
just
the
appearance
of
it.
You
let
contracts!
You
said
we're
going
to
award
this
one
for
13
million
for
consulting
services
on
as
needed
basis.
Then
you
come
back
and
say
well
we're
going
to
give
them
five
more
on
an
as
needed
basis.
Well,
why?
We
don't
know
why
there's
a
need
for
five
more
and
if
there
is,
why
isn't
that
bid
separately.
E
E
E
F
Please
set
assurance,
but
I
hope
you
can
see
why
I
would
have
that
totally.
K
Can
we
maybe
just
roll
through
each
number
here,
36
through
39
and
just
get
what
you
just
said,
kind
of
just
a
spot
check
on
okay,
the
contract
was,
let's
say
in
36's
case
1.2
million.
Now
it's
3.3.
So
what
was
the
old
project
was
the
new
project,
so
we
can
kind
of
get
a
better
clarity
on.
You
know
our
assessment
of
whether
this.
F
K
Have
been
separately
but
or
not,
and
we
just
know
what
those
things
are
and
if
you
are
using
general
terms,
you
know
like
on
the
39.
Well,
you
know
we
were
looking
at.
You
know
one
new
thing,
but
now
we're
adding
a
second
one
in
because
we
found
that
in
the
middle
of
that,
whatever
your
explanation
is.
N
Sure
I'll
take
that
that
opportunity
so
for
on
number
36.
This
is
around
the
the
request
to
increase
the
funding
for
kaufman
hall,
and
we
use
kauffman
hall
as
a
consultant
for
our
financial
planning
and
review
for
both
uk
healthcare
and
now
part
of
the
the
process
is
to
incorporate
the
entire
university.
N
So
we
have
one
financial
plan
and
one
five-year
forecast
that
takes
place,
and
so
the
the
reason
for
this
increase
is
that,
as
we
continue
through
the
year,
we're
looking
to
use
kauffman
hall
to
help
us
implement
a
new
budgeting
system
for
the
entire
university.
To
be
quite
honest,
we've
used
them
in
healthcare
for
a
number
of
years,
and
now
this
is
expanding
also
so
that
we
can
look
at
our
budgeting
and
forecast
for
higher
education.
N
We
can
also
look
at
an
enrollment
modeling
for
high
higher
education
process,
the
long-range
planning
for
higher
education
and
really
putting
some
more
meat
around
our
grant
planning
activities
within
the
the
organization.
We
also
use
kaufman
hall
and
part
of
this
process
that
that
we
were
talking
about.
N
We
we
use
them
to
look
at
how
we
can
do
some
integration
with
some
of
our
partners
across
the
common
health,
commonwealth
and
health
care,
around
joint
ventures
and
some
of
the
other
activities
that
we've
been
known
for
at
uk
healthcare
and
trying
to
partner
across
the
commonwealth
to
provide
safe
and
excellent
care
to
our
collective
patients,
and
so
some
of
the
recent
fruits
as
an
example
of
that
activity
is
where
we've
been
able
to
partner
with
the
lexington
clinic
in
lexington
and
provide
an
expanded
cancer
program
throughout
the
murky
cancer
center.
N
And
so
we
use
consultants
to
help
us
in
those
activities
and
another
would
be
where
we
recently
in
the
last
year
or
so.
We
were
able
to
work
with
the
lexington
surgery
center
and
have
a
partnership
and
an
ownership
within
that
to
expand
our
ambulatory
surgery
footprint
within
the
lexington
community.
At
this
point
for
patients
to
have
greater
access
to
those
services
and
easier
access.
N
F
N
Okay,
so
if
we
go
on
to
37
with
huron
with
huron,
they
were
a
previous
partner
that
we
had
in
the
prior
biennium
that
they
was
working
with
us
to
prepare
for
our
epic,
our
medical,
our
electronic
medical
record
activities
to
be
able
to
prepare
us
to
be
able
to
move
forward
with
that
project.
So
they
did
a
lot
around
access
and
how
do
we
schedule
our
patients,
so
they
were
helping
us
build
an
infrastructure
to
move
on.
N
We
had
a
little
carryover
from
the
last
biennium
into
the
current
current
year
and
that's
why
we
asked
for
dollars
at
that
point.
What's
happened
since
then
is
because
of
the
public
health
emergency
and
the
emergence
of
of
the
activities
that
took
place
there.
We
asked
them
for
assistance
to
help
us
understand
and
build
a
strategic
and
development
process
around
reporting
and
the
guidelines
for
us
on
how
we
can
keep
track
of
the
dollars
we
have
received
around
the
care
acts
so
that
we
can
substantiate
the
use
of
those
dollars.
N
All
these
were
new
guidelines
coming
out
from
hhs
and
from
other
organizations,
so
we
used
them
to
help
us
in
a
consulting
mode
and
then
to
help
us
format
a
really
a
database
so
that
we
are
able
to
respond
once
those
guidelines
are
finalized,
they're
still
being
changed
as
we
speak.
N
We
have
different
things
that
are
taking
place
in
the
accounting
environment
and
how
we
can
make
sure
that
we're
assuring
to
to
pass
a
a
single
audit
and
also
if
we
have
to
go
forward
for
fema
funding,
that
we
have
the
capability
to
account
for
those
and
be
able
to
do
that
in
a
compliant
manner.
So
it's
all
these
dollars
for
grant
funds
and
we've
got
to
be
able
to
account
for
them
correctly.
So
that's
what
we
used
them
for,
and
that
was
part
of
the
add-on.
We
had
some
dollars,
but
we
had
to.
N
N
They
help
us
with
our
medicaid
reports,
and
they
also
help
us
to
determine
fair
market
value
for
any
of
these
outside
agreements
that
we
might
have
for
management
agreements
or
for
personal
service
agreements
for
us
when
we
take
our
physicians
out
to
one
of
the
areas
across
the
commonwealth
and
we're
contracting
to
do
services
within
those
those
areas,
so
they
help
us
stay
compliant
is
what
they
do.
They
also
help
us
many
times.
Medicare
and
medicaid.
N
Cost
reports
have
reopened
for
prior
years,
and
that's
happened
to
us
in
the
last
year
or
so
so
they
help
us
go
back
and
look
at.
Why
ways
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
report
back
to
open
those,
those
medicare
and
medicaid
cost
reports?
They
also
represent
not
only
uk
healthcare,
but
they
represent
eastern
states
hospital
for
us
under
our
management
agreement,
and
so,
since
our
original
submission,
we
have
had
some
of
these
new
areas
come
forward
that
we've
identified
and
we
need
some
additional
expertise.
N
F
Let
me
propose
this
if
I
could,
and
even
though
it's
not
a
statutory
requirement,
we've
talked
about
a
report.
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
from
this
committee.
That
september
our
september
meeting
that
you
provide
us
with
the
follow-up
report
showing
the
original
amount
that
was
approved.
What
the
intent
of
that
contract
was.
F
If
that
contract
has
been
been
amended,
the
amount
and
what
the
intent
of
that
additional
amount
was
as
well.
Certainly,
could
we
do
that
yeah?
Can
we
have
a
motion
to
that
effect?
K
You
mentioned
getting
the
original
amount
and
the
expanded
amount,
but
I
wanted
you
forgot.
The
amount
actually
spent
on
these
not
to
exceed
so
I
want
to
make.
D
J
C
F
F
F
F
D
J
O
J
O
You
thought
I
had
unmuted.
My
name
is
tom
hoy,
I'm
general
counsel
at
the
university
of
louisville.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
committee
has
about
our
proposed
contract
with
hush
blackwell.
F
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
good
morning.
Thank
you
all
for
being
on
here
following
my
theme
this
morning.
I
just
want
to
simply
ask
a
question:
why
are
we
contracting
with
outside
legal
services
and
what
type
of
cases
are
involved
and
specifically
what
conflicts
could
be
present
that
the
in-house
council
could
not
represent
the
university's
interest
here.
O
This
relates
to
the
regulations
that
the
current
administration
promulgated
substantially
altering,
alter
altering
the
regulations
under
title
ix,
compliance,
so
the
administration
promulgated,
some
22
2400
pages
of
regulations,
and
they
required
compliance,
establishment
of
new
policies
and
procedures
for
the
university
to
follow
in
order
to
be
in
compliance
with
title
ix
requirements
because
of
the
scope
of
these
regulations
and
short
time
frame
that
was
required.
O
O
F
G
On
on
the
title
ix,
the
university
of
law,
university,
louisville
law
school-
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
the
proficient
training
in
in
the
title
title
ix
expertise
then.
O
O
Address
the
needs
of
our
students
and
faculty
and
and
staff
on
an
ongoing
basis.
The
problem
here
was
this
was
a
dramatic
change
in
the
whole
structure
of
hearings
and
and
compliance,
and
it
had
to
be
addressed
in
a
in
short
order
and
our
staff,
our
staffing
here
we
keep
fairly
lean,
and
there
are
only
five
lawyers
currently
in
the
office
of
university
council,
and
we
didn't
have
the
capability
to
handle
that
in
that
short
timeframe,.
K
It
says
that
we
have
a
sole
source
document
and
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle,
because
at
first
I
didn't
blink.
I
understand
special
legal
expertise.
If
it's
a
nationwide
output,
that's
kind
of
got
things
pre-cooked.
It
can
save
time
which
saves
us
money,
but
we,
you
know,
have
other
universities
out
there,
and
I
just
heard
about
one
that
had
title
ix
issues
and
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
exactly
why
the
sole
source
and
at
375
that
those
two
together
was
was
that
I
just
don't
understand
why.
O
O
The
university
of
louisville
uses
other
national
firms
from
time
to
time
for
specialized
matters.
Hush,
blackwell
had
particular
expertise
in
this
title:
nine
compliance
and
these
new
regulations
from
recommendations
from
a
number
of
institutions
with
which
we
have
relationships,
and
we
we
found
their
pricing
to
be
quite
reasonable.
O
They
were
able
to
help
us
the
the
the
quote
on
the
initial
review
of
policies
and
procedures
was
about
thirteen
thousand
dollars
and
the
additional
funds
are
for
training
that
will
be
not
only
training
for
our
internal
people
here,
but
also
training
for
hearing
officers
that
will
have
to
be
retained
by
the
university
in
order
to
conduct
hearings
under
the
new
regulations.
F
Second
of
my
excuse
me
is
that
senator
yates
didn't
catch
it.
Yes,.
F
C
F
Aye
motion
carries
we'll
move
on
to
contract
number
52..
Thank.
F
K
You,
mr
chairman,
I
wanted
to
get
a
better
handle.
It
looks
to
me
like
we're
looking
at
an
architectural
design
for
residence
hall
and,
as
many
know,
there's
new
residence
halls
all
the
time
from
all
kinds
of
universities.
U
of
l
included,
and
I
want
to
find
out
why
we
need
to
design
a
new
one
if
we
can't
just
use
a
design
from
an
old
one.
D
Mike
materna
are
you
on
yes,
michael
turner,
with
planning
designing
construction
for
university?
So
let
me
try
to
answer
your
your
your
question.
So
what
we
have
done
is
this
building
is
actually
built
on
a
on
a
location
where
we
have
a
a
current
building
that
has
to
be
demolished
the
so.
Therefore,
we
have
to
come
up
with
a
new
design
in
order
to
create
those
452
new
units,
including
the
housing
that
goes
into
that
space.
D
K
As
I
think
we're
all
aware,
schooling
is
under
drastic
change
right
now
and
I'm
wondering
if
these
plans
have
started
pre-online,
school
or
or
more
recently
than
that,
but
also
I'm
looking
at
maybe
an
forecast
on
future
of
school.
I'm
not
sure
if
we
have
enough
information
on
that
yet
and
I'm
concerned
that
residence
halls
may
not
be
the
supply
and
demand
issue
may
not
be
the
same.
Going.
D
Forward
so
my
turn
again,
I'm
not
quite
sure
if
I'll
be
the
right
person
to
answer
that,
but
at
least
let
me
try
to
answer
is
as
good
as
I
can.
I
can
step.
K
D
In
april
of
2019,
and
it
was
bid
as
two
phases-
a
phase
one
residence
hall
on
a
phase-
two
residence
hall-
there
are
two
separate
buildings,
the
phase
one
residence
hall
is
underway
and
in
I
believe
it
was
november,
it
may
have
been
early
december.
We
received
approval
from
university.
K
D
D
D
So
that's
where
we
will
be
engaged
in
needing
to
pay
for
services
and
that's
why
the
contract
indicates
general
funds.
However,
once
the
bond
issuance
occurs,
that
will
be
what
transfers
over
the
expenditures
for
this
contract.
F
If
not
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
contract
number
52
representative
hart
talking
about
representative
cook,
all
those
favor,
the
most
vote,
I
I'll
oppose
vote
no
or
please
call
the
row.
K
I'm
going
to
vote
past,
building
new
buildings
and
and
using
bonds
for
the
architecture
of
them
just
makes
me
very
nervous
at
this
point
in
time
where
we
are
financially
and
where
we
all
know
where
everyone
else
is
financially
as
well,
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
pass
on
this
because
I
really
don't
want
to
be
proving
things.
I'm
not
clear
on.
H
F
Aye
motion
carries
thank
you
folks
for
being
available
to
us
this
morning
committee.
We
still
have
a
lot
of
contracts
to
go
through
and
we're
going
to
get
really
compressed
here
in
time,
not
trying
to
curtail
any
discussion
whatsoever
just
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that.
So
we
can
try
to
move
through
the
rest,
these
as
quick
as
possible.
The
next
time
it's
on
the
pool
list,
with
the
department
of
highways
numbers,
11,
21,
22
and
23
on
the
psc
amendment
ivory
list.
Your
representative
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
L
G
Thanks,
mr
chair
I'll,
I
fairly
easy.
I
can
ask
these
all
all
together
and
one
big
question.
We
seem
to
have
a
theme
going
with
these,
where
the
cabinet
is
looking
to
substantially
increase
their
budgetory
authorities
on
each
of
these
products.
381
312
000
we're
increasing
the
budget
to
our
authority
by
over
six
million
dollars.
Can
someone
just
please
explain
the
process
using
awarding
these
engineering
contacts,
explain
why
they're
awarded
for
the
lesser
amounts
and
why
that
was
not
including
the
original
scope
and
why
the
increased
amount
was
not
anticipated.
L
And
thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
be
with
you
all.
I'm
sure
this
this
won't
come
as
a
surprise
to
co-chair
meredith
you're
used
to
our
discussions,
but
over
the
past
past
probably
decade,
the
kentucky
transformation
cabinet
has
almost
changed
our
process
of
how
we
enter
into
these
contracts.
L
We
now
use
a
phased
approach
so
up
until
maybe
10
years
ago,
we
would
we
would
enter
into
an
initial
contract
for
the
entirety
of
design.
That
really
wasn't
a
good
opportunity,
similar
to
what
university
of
kentucky
discussed.
We
want
to
be
as
honest
and
as
accurate
as
possible
with
our
estimates,
so
we
don't
feel
comfortable
when
we
don't
know
as
much
about
the
project
early
on
negotiating
a
large
fee
for
these
contracts.
L
That's
come
back
to
bite
us
in
the
past.
We've
learned
that
if
we
do
a
phased
approach,
we
can
narrow
the
focus,
narrow
the
scope
and
then
only
pay
for
the
services
which
we
truly
need.
So
many
of
our
projects
have
several
alignments
and
alternatives.
We
can
narrow
those
alignments
and
alternatives
and
only
take
those
that
that
are
the
preferred
alignment
to
the
next
phase,
and
that's
actually
the
case.
I
think
with
all
four
of
these,
like
I
said
that
I'm
not
the
project
manager
for
those,
but
just
looking
at
the
contract
details.
L
I
believe
that
each
of
these
contracts
are
ones
where
we
initially
awarded
for
the
initial
preliminary
engineering
phase,
and
now
we
are
moving
into
the
final
roadway
design
phase.
So
we're
we're
narrowing
the
focus
and
just
taking
that
that
preferred
alignment
to
the
next
phase.
G
L
It's
two
phases:
we
we
advertise
for
the
entire
project,
but
within
that
advertisement
we
include
the
option
to
contract
mod
for
phase
two,
so
we
only
negotiate
up
front
what
we
know
up
front
rather
than
agreeing
to
an
amount
that
we
don't
feel
comfortable
with
and
then
end
up
ending
up
having
to
pay
for
services
which
we're
not
comfortable
with
okay.
So
once
the
progress
once
the
project
progresses,
then
to
the
point
that
we
are
finishing
preliminary
engineering,
we
have
a
environmental
process
which
requires
nepa
and
nepa.
Documents
is
a
part
of
that.
L
Once
we
obtain
those
electro
those
environmental
approvals,
we
then
can
go
into
the
final
design
phase
and
that's
where
we
have
the
the
more
more
more
driven
scope
that
we
understand
exactly
what
we're
moving
forward
with.
F
F
And
just
for
clarification.
F
Center
south,
when
you
said
all
of
those
are
that
include
number
22,
11,
21,
22
and
23.,
I
just
want
to
take
exception
and
make
sure
that
rips
in
the
cook
doesn't
have
a
separate
issue
with
number
22..
Okay,
we're
good!
Thank
you.
Folks,
appreciate
you
being
in
attendance
this
morning.
Appreciate
you
giving
us
your
time.
F
I
My
name
is
jennifer
linton.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
office
of
facility
development
and
efficiency
with
the
finance
cabinet
and
with
me
to
talk
about
these
contracts.
Today
I
have
derek
pauley
from
the
energy
and
environment
cabinet
and
rob
lewis
from
the
tourism
cabinet.
G
On
all
these
contracts
and
all
these
contracts,
I'd
like
to
explain
the
like
to
have
them
explain
the
process
using
awarding
the
consulting
contracts,
explain
why
they're
awarded
for
the
lesser
amounts,
given
that
it
appears
the
amount
was
not
including
the
original
scope
and
why
the
increased
amount
was
not
anticipated.
I
It's
very
similar
to
the
the
previous
contracts
for
the
transportation
cabinet
and
the
way
that
they
were
described
is
we
these.
These
rfps
are
issued
and
they're
based
on
qualifications,
and
the
consultants
are
selected
on
qualifications
based
on
statute,
and
the
initial
contract
is
negotiated
for
the
fee
for,
what's
known,
for
the
project
so
similar
to
what
eric
said
at
transportation,
is
we
don't
want
to
enter
into
a
contract,
not
knowing
the
entire
scope
of
the
project?
I
We
move
along
in
our
design
process,
similar
to
transportation
and
then,
as
you
know,
as
the
project's
designed,
we
increased
the
design
contract.
F
A
F
Appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning,
I
requested
this
contract
to
be
pulled,
partly
because
I
want
to
give
the
committee
historical
perspective
on
this
as
well
that
this
is
one
of
those
contracts
that
was
initially
filed
the
previous
session,
and
I
was
contacted
by
the
attorney
general's
office,
saying
they
were
going
to
request
a
retroactive
approval.
It's
because
security
issues
related
specifically
to
the
attorney
general
and
that
we
didn't
have
the
resources
that
time
to
provide
security
detail
for
him
in
his
home.
F
A
Yes,
sir,
we
had,
we
had
obviously
hoped
that
things
would
calm
down.
Unfortunately,
as
recently
as
christmas
eve,
we
had
asked
attorney
general
cameron
to
leave
his
residence
to
caravans
of
protesters
that
were
we
had
intelligence
for
coming
to
his
neighborhood
and
to
his
residence
to
start
a
fire.
F
A
F
Well,
obviously,
very
tragic
situation
we're
sorry.
We
have
to
do
this
for
the
attorney
general
and
sorry
for
the
people
of
kentucky,
because
there's
much
better
ways.
We
could
be
spending
these
dollars,
but
I
appreciate
it
are
there
any
questions
regarding
this
contract,
if
not
entertaining
motion
to
prove
it?
That's
presented,
motion
emotional
representative
heart
said
nobody
rips
into
the
cook,
all
those
favorite
emotional
eye
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
D
F
Hi
motion
carries
appreciate
you
folks
being
here
this
morning.
If
you
would,
then
please
give
the
attorney
general
our
best
wishes,
and
we
hope
this
really
does
subside
quickly.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Next
item
on
the
pool
list,
with
the
board
of
elections
number
four
on
the
routine
moa
pink
list
of
representatives
here
or
we're
doing
video.
Please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
P
Good
morning,
chairman,
my
name
is
jared
deering,
I'm
the
executive
director
for
the
state
board
of
elections
on
the
call
with
us
today
is
also
rachel.
Poynter
she's,
my
fiscal
manager.
F
Thank
you
appreciate
you
being
in
attendance
this
morning.
Central
southwest
has
questions
about
your
contract.
K
Good
morning,
I
wanted
to
get
a
little
clearer,
more
clarity
on
the
lexington
or
the
fayette
county
voting
equipment.
I
know
we've
talked
about
a
lot
of
different
voting
equipment
that
has
been
upgraded
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
happens
to
be
this
one
meeting.
We
only
have
this
one
or
if
there
is
more
out
there
to
come
and
then
exactly
what
the
costs
are
and
how
many
machines
this
covered.
P
So
the
to
be
clear,
this
is
the
contract
itself
is
not
for
the
purchase
of
election
equipment.
It's
actually
an
moa
that
we
have
with
the
fayette
county
itself
for
the
purchase
of
election
equipment.
This
grant
was
originally
awarded
to
the
state
in
2004
from
the
federal
government.
P
It
is
part
of
the
release
that
congress
set
forth
in
java,
which
is
the
help
america
vote
act,
that
is
the
the
result
of
bushfie
gore
and
after
the
congress
came
back
and
made
allocations
to
the
states
for
the
purchase
and
upgrading
of
new
election
equipment
that
would
meet
best
standards
at
that
time.
It's
my
understanding
that
in
2003
clerk,
don
blevins
senior,
who
was
the
clerk
at
the
time,
had
purchased
brand
new
election
equipment
at
the
time
that
was,
it
met
the
national
best
practices.
P
It
was
my
belief.
P
It's
quite
all
right
so
in
the
interim
clerk,
blevins
senior
purchased
brand
new
equipment
right
the
year
before
this
allotment
was
given
by
the
federal
government.
So
it's
actually
sat
and
trust
in
an
account
for
fayette
county.
Until
this
last
year
last
year,
that
equipment
came
to
the
kind
of
end
of
its
life
cycle.
We
expect
at
least
15
years
out
of
most
of
our
equipment
that
we
purchased
at
this
point
and
they
got
roughly
that
they
purchased
brand
new
equipment.
P
That
is
what
we
call
voter
verified
paper
audit
trail
systems.
They
are
verity
voting
systems,
both
ballot
marketing
devices
and
scanners.
Sorry
center,
I
don't
know
if
I
can
give
you
the
exact
number
of
pieces
of
equipment
that
were
purchased,
but
roughly
the
the
purchase
price
was
about
1.5
million
dollars.
P
This
allotment
that
was
given
to
fayette,
like
I
said,
has
been
an
account
for
them
since
2004,
roughly
965
000,
with
a
5
match
by
the
state,
which
was
roughly
48
000.
F
F
K
I'm
all
for
getting
new
voting
equipment,
that's
a
big
priority
that
we
need
to
make,
because
there
are
some
voting
equipments
that
we
know
from
years
past
that
aren't
amazing,
but
I'm
still
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
some
of
these
systems
and
in
light
of
more
recent
events,
I
think
we're
aware
that
needs
to
be
carefully
done.
So
I'm
going
to
vote
past.
So
I'm
not
supporting
something,
I'm
not
for
sure
what
it
is.
K
B
D
E
F
Q
F
Appreciate
you
being
in
attendance
this
morning,
representative
cook
has
questions
about
this
particular
contract.
Thanks.
G
G
After
consulting
with
staff,
we
decided
to
pull
one
contract
just
so
we
can
have
a
discussion
on
the
process
rather
than
any
particular
one
grant
or
group
of
grants,
and
just
start
off
with
a
couple
with
a
couple
questions
to
get
this
going.
Department
of
local
government
they're.
The
repository
for
all
local
government
budgets
was
community
need
a
factor
in
awarding
these
grants
and
then
what
sustaining
documentation
was
provided
for
the
monies
requested.
Q
Okay,
if
I
missed
some
of
those
questions,
please
remind
me-
there
was
quite
a
few
they're
thrown,
but
for
the
initial
process
of
this,
the
u.s
treasury
set
forth
the
guidance
as
to
what
these
monies
can
be
used
for.
Dlg
was
in
conversations
with
caico
and
klc,
and
the
monies
that
were
allocated
are
not
necessarily
grant
monies.
They
are
reimbursement,
funds
per
the
u.s
treasury,
so
caico
and
klc
both
set
the
population
based
on
a
formula
for
every
city
and
county
to
receive
allocations
of
those
funds.
Q
So
when
we
released
those
numbers
to
those
communities
and
local
governments,
they
had
to
fill
out
an
application
based
on
what
they
assume
that
they
would
send
for
to
us
for
reimbursements.
Q
As
long
as
those
items
were
eligible
per
the
u.s
guidance,
we
actually
entered
into
a
memorandum
of
agreement
with
the
county
or
the
city,
and
then
they
in
turn,
have
to
send
back
a
duplication
of
benefits
form
to
us
to
make
sure
that
they
have
not
received
any
more
federal
funds.
For
these
particular
items,
also
a
follow-up
request
for
disbursement
form
if
they
purchased
ppe
or
we
have
to
have
itemized
invoices
copies
of
cancelled
checks.
Q
If
their
first
responder
payroll
was
out
added
in
as
well,
then
they
have
to
send
us
payroll,
ledgers,
minus
any
bonus
incentive,
cleft
funding
for
police,
but
it
also
covered
fire
ambulance.
Q
G
Yeah,
so
when
awarding
those
grants
was
there
did
you
did
you
ask
any
of
the
local
governments
about
budget
reserves
to
see
if
there
were
funds
in
the
local
budget
that
could
have
been
used
to
cover
the
cost
for
which
those
grants
were
requested?
Or
was
this
just
a
blanket
free
money,
kind
of
kind
of
deal.
Q
There
was
300
million
that
was
allocated
for
the
counties
and
cities,
and
so
when
kentucky
association
of
counties
and
league
of
cities
with
our
discussions,
that's
what
was
allocated
for
that
it
wasn't.
We
didn't
have
any
questions
between
us
and
the
locals
as
to
what
those
items
would
be.
G
Q
Upon
their
application,
the
first
thing
that
they
did
receive
from
the
department
for
local
government
was
a
preliminary
approval
letter
stating
that
they
would
be
aware
that
there
would
be
a
two
cfr
audit
in
their
near
future.
And
we
have
been
a
constant
reminder
to
our
mayors
and
county
judges
that
as
well.
G
F
C
M
F
Hi
motion
carries
thank
you
for
giving
us
your
time
this
morning.
F
F
Thank
you
for
being
here
this
morning.
Senator
southwortz
has
questions
about
your
contract.
K
Good
morning
an
interested
time,
I'm
not
going
to
ask
first
for
an
overview,
I'm
going
to
make
an
assumption.
But
if
I'm
wrong
then
please
do
provide
an
overview.
F
K
D
Well
here,
here's
the
the
piece
of
it
is
is
that,
right
now
when
we
are
and
I'll
try
to
hurry
this
up
a
little
bit
right
now
when
we
are
trying
to
detect
covet
in
our
14
prisons
across
the
way
it
usually
comes
about
where
somebody
is
going
out
for
a
pre-op
and
the
hospitals
say,
give
us
a
recent
covet
test.
Then,
when
that
person
tests
positive,
we
end
up
having
to
contract
that
trace
out
and
it
virtually
the
institutions
are
overthrown
with
covet.
D
The
purpose
of
this
is
to
be
certain
as
a
surveillance
in
your
water
treatment
plants
to
say,
hey,
I
think,
you've
got
an
issue
here.
You
need
to
detect
before
it
becomes
so
widespread
that
you'll
be
able
to
detect.
I
I've
got
an
issue.
I
need
to
find
that
issue.
I
need
to
contain
that
issue
before
we
have
to
sit
and
bring
down
an
institution
and
test
everybody.
F
If
I
could,
let
me
try
to
make
sure
I
understand
this
as
well,
because
I
think
it's
an
excellent
question.
Let's
assuming
that
presently,
there
are
no
kobe
cases
in
a
prisoner
correction
facility,
so
you're
monitoring
the
water
to
see
if
the,
if
there's
presence
and
then
it
would
cause
for
a
course
of
action.
Is
that
fair.
F
K
I
I
don't
have
a
total
count
from
every
institution,
but
it
seems
to
me
like
at
least
the
ones
I
do
know
about
have
95
infection
rate
or
more
already.
So
I
guess
I
would
like
to
get
a
little
more
detail
on.
K
D
Well,
the
relevancy
for
the
rest
of
the
year
is
once
we
start
getting
staff,
and
we
are
some
staff
vaccinated,
there's
added
layer
of
protection
where
you
have
this
running
in
your
back
ground,
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
doing
up
here
is
working.
What
was
your
other
question.
K
D
Well,
you
also
have
to
look
at
inmates
coming
in
these
inmates
may
be
going
back
out
to
the
community,
but
you
also
have
inmates
that
are
currently
in
the
jail
that's
coming
into
our
institutions,
and
so
you
have
to
think
long
term
about
what's
coming
in
what's
going
out
and
what
you
know
when,
when
when
do
we
get
to
the
point
where
it
we've
gotten
heard
immunity
to
be
able
to
say
that
it
is
safe
to
not
do
any
of
that.
F
F
Aye
motion
carries
and
thank
you
for
being
available
to
us
this
morning.
We
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
next
item
on
the
pool
list
with
the
office
of
health
data
and
analytics
there's
number
278
on
the
routine
moa
pink
list.
If
representatives
are
here
or
online,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
J
D
So
one
of
the
divisions
of
the
office
or
the
department
is
the
kentucky
health
information
exchange
referenced.
This
k
high
and
andrew
bledsoe
my
deputy
oversees
the
functions
of
that
division
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
so
he
will
explain
to
you
the
breakdown
of
the
3.365
million
that
you
see
there
in
this
particular
contract
with
the
uk
outreach
extension
center.
M
M
We
connect
to
them
to
exchange
clinical
information
with
other
health
care
entities.
Part
of
this
work
is
facilitating
electronic
public
health
reporting
so
that
whenever
a
lab
test
result
is
captured,
a
case
report
is
completed
or
a
vaccine
is
administered
and
that's
input
into
a
healthcare
facility's
electronic
health
record
system.
M
That
negates
an
individual
at
the
health
care
entity
from
having
to
manually,
fill
out
a
form
and
someone
from
public
health
manually
inputting
that
into
their
system.
So
in
looking
at
overcoming
the
barriers
to
these
facilities
connecting
to
us,
we
do
not
charge
for
our
services,
but
the
major
barrier
is
technology
costs
on
their
side.
So
we
were
provided
by
the
cdc,
an
epidemiology
and
laboratory
capacity
enhancement
grant
and
it
was
a
30-month
project
period
grant
that
was
provided
to
states
with
their
coveted
pandemic
crisis,
as
it
relates
to
laboratory
reporting.
M
There
was
a
few
other
small
costs
above
the
3
million
in
this
contract.
We
collaboratively
host
an
annually
e-health
summit
with
the
kentucky
regional
extension
center,
as
well
as
a
health
system
education
contract,
and
that
would
be
to
increase
the
use
and
adoption
of
the
kehai
system
inside
of
hospitals
and
doctors
offices.
M
We've
collaboratively
worked
together
for
10
years
to
promote
the
work
of
kayhi
as
well
as
they're,
a
technical
assistance
provider
that
is
federally
funded
to
help
provide
electronic
health
record
technical
assistance
to
doctors,
offices
and
hospitals,
so
kind
of
a
summation
of
who
we
are,
what
the
contract's
being
used
for
and
and
why
it's
going
to
the
the
university
of
kentucky
foundation.
F
Just
a
question:
do
the
man's
care
organizations
have
any
involvement
or
access
to
this
information
as
well.
M
F
Which,
I
think
is
great:
it's
a
good
model
to
work
from.
I
guess
I'm
looking,
maybe
five
ten
years
out
as
how
we
build
a
universal
medical
record,
and
certainly
as
long
as
we
get
some
federal
funding
for
this,
we
can
advance
it.
But
I
guess
I'm
curious
just
what
happens
when
that
federal
funding
is
no
longer
available
and
just
like
to
plant
the
seed
that
one
directive.
Beneficiaries
of
this
is
going
to
be
the
managed
care
organizations,
because
they
should
be
able
to
offer
health
care
on
a
more
timely,
affordable
basis.
F
So
I
think
we
just
have
to
keep
that
in
the
back
of
our
mind.
They've
got
a
vested
interest
in
this
thing
as
well,
and
I
think
the
benefits
that
they
accrue
should
be
recognized,
but
with
that
any
other
questions
comments
not
an
irritating
motion
to
prove
it
as
presented
some.
L
F
F
Aye
motion
carries
and
thank
you
folks
for
being
available
this
morning
and
sharing
your
time
and
expertise
with
us
next.
D
A
K
Yes,
I
wanted
to
just
get
a
little
bit
of
a
better
idea
on
the
narcan
distribution.
We've
got
an
increase
here
that
I
guess
more
than
doubles
the
current,
and
how
much
is
this
like
a
per
dose
thing,
or
is
this
the
operation
of
the
program
or
what
all
this
cover?
Yes,.
A
Great
question,
so
this
is
largely
narcan
we
are
paying
for
of
the
1.8
million
dollar
increase.
1.6
of
that
is
specifically
for
narcan.
It's
75
dollars
a
unit.
That's
approximately
20
225,
two
dose
units
that
will
go
out
across
the
state.
The
additional
funds
are
result
of
a
new
grant
that
was
awarded
to
core
in
september.
F
Second,
a
motion
by
representative
cook
seconded
by
senator
yates,
all
those
favor.
The
motion
vote
aye
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
H
F
K
I
Sure
so
the
this
is
one
of
the
contracts
that
we
have
increased
as
a
result
of
public
health
transformation.
D
D
I
It
ends
up
being
a
diagnosis,
then
we
also
have
they
have
the
ability
to
sign
those
individuals
up
for
the
medicaid
breast
and
cervical
cancer
treatment
program.
So
it
really
has
allowed
us
to
increase
our
access
of
these
women
through
through
this
contract.
D
K
F
G
F
P
F
I
Good
morning
I'm
lisa
lee,
I'm
the
commissioner
for
the
department
for
medicaid
services,
and
I
have
with
me
lee
geiss,
who
is
the
division
director
for
policy
and
operations
within
the
department
of
medicaid
services.
F
Thank
you
for
being
available
to
us
this
morning.
You
folks
are
very,
very
busy,
but
just
would
like
a
very
brief
explanation
as
to
what
has
has
prompted
this
increase
of
16
million.
I
think
I
know
the
answer,
but
just
want
to
hear
from
you
folks.
I
The
contract
operates
on
a
per
member
per
month
basis,
so
we
pay
the
department
or
the
office
of
transportation
delivery
a
per
member
per
month
for
every
medicaid
enrollee
to
provide
those
services
so
with
the
increase
in
medicaid
enrollees
due
to
covet
individuals
losing
their
jobs,
losing
their
health
insurance.
That
increase
resulted
in
additional
per
member
per
month,
costs
for
transportation.
I
The
office
of
transportation
delivery
receives
these
funds
and
they
pay
brokers
who
in
turn,
provide
those
funds
to
drivers
who
provide
the
transportation
for
our
members.
Those
increased
funds
are
being
used
to
ensure
the
health
safety
of
our
members
by
implementing
additional
cleaning
and
sterilization
methods
in
the
vehicles
to
ensure
the
vehicles
are
sanitized
properly,
they're
also
being
used
for
personal
protective
equipment
for
some
of
the
drivers
again
to
ensure
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
members
and
the
drivers
who
transport
them
to
their
medical
services.
F
So,
in
summary,
it's
because
of
increase
in
medicaid
enrollment
increase
in
expenses
associated
with
and
also
increased
services
again
related
to
coven
19.
Is
that
fair.
F
F
F
Excuse
me,
I
was
standing
corrected.
This
does
take
a
motion
again.
Three
requests,
one
from
department
of
agriculture,
one
for
department,
military
affairs
and
one
from
energy
and
environmental
cabinet
motion
by
representing
hearts
seconded
by
representative
cook.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
vote.
I
oppose
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
rule.
H
F
Aye
motion
carries
before
we
adjourn
just
please
be
aware
that
our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
tuesday
february
9th
and
sensing,
obviously
we'll
be
back
in
session,
we'll
be
upon
a
german
of
both
chambers.
So
just
please
prepare
for
that.
I'd
appreciate
it
appreciate
everyone's
participation
this
morning,
great
questions
and
and
look
forward
to
serving
with
all
of
our
new
members,
another
business
we
stand
adjourned.
Thank.