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A
A
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
without
objection.
It
is
so
ordered
moving
right
into
our
business.
We
would
like
to
kindly
recognize
our
new
members.
We
have
with
us
I
guess
this
goes
by
seniority,
so
we
have
Senator
Damon
Thayer
with
us
on
the
committee.
Congratulations
or
condolences
and-
and
we
have
co-chair
Lewis
Derek
Lewis-
is
with
us
today.
Congratulations
you're,
not
quite
with
us.
Yet
we
need
to
elect
you
understand
here
in
a
minute
and
then
we
have
representative
Daniel
grossberg,
congratulations
and
welcome
to
the
committee.
A
Co-Chair
David,
Hale
resigned
his
position
and
co-chair
Derek
Lewis
has
been
appointed
to
fill
the
unexpired
portion
of
that
term
and
we
now
need
to
hold
an
election
for
that
position.
Is
there
a
nomination
from
the
house
from
a
House
member
of
the
committee
for
the
position
of
House
co-chair
of
the
subcommittee.
C
A
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
that
so
emotion
has
been
made
and
seconded
that
nomination
cease
and
that
representative
Lewis
be
elected
house
co-chair
by
acclimation.
Without
objection
it
is
so
ordered.
Congratulations!
Thank
you
all
right
now,
we'll
get
to
work.
I
apologize
for
the
for
being
late
in
the
delay.
D
A
A
Would
you
like
to
say
anything
about
the
reg
Mr
secretary
or
that.
E
A
B
A
G
Sure
so
previously,
well,
actually
right
now
there
is
just
one
vendor
that
supplies
poll
books,
electronic
poll
books
for
the
entire
State,
the
poll
book,
of
course,
being
we'll
replace
the
hand
signature
roster
when
you
go
in
to
vote
so
to
open
that
up.
So
we
don't
just
have
one
vendor
with
a
monopoly
throughout
the
state.
G
D
A
A
B
F
1021
361
emergency
and
ordinary
established
the
disability
benefits
for
trs-4
members
with
less
than
five
years
of
credible
Kentucky
service.
The
staff
suggested
Amendment
to
the
ordinary
regulation,
amends
various
sections
and
the
material
Incorporated
by
reference
to
comply
with
the
drafting
requirements
of
KRS
chapter
13A
and
make
technical
changes.
A
A
Could
you
I
have
one
quick
question:
trs-4
members
could
you
what
specifically
is
trs4?
Is
that
the
tier
or
is
that.
K
L
L
A
D
D
105
kr1451
an
emergency
established
the
forms
and
procedures
for
quasi-governmental
agency
employers
participating
in
the
Kentucky
employees,
retirement
system
to
report
to
report
persons
serving
as
independent
contractors
and
leased
employees.
The
staff
suggest
an
amendment
for
the
ordinary
amends
various
sections
to
comply
with
Drafting
and
formatting
requirements
of
KRS
chapter
13A.
A
F
This
regulation
is
being
amended
to
remove
the
requirement
to
disclose
prior
contact
with
a
former
prospective
client
involved
in
the
contemplated
transaction
and
make
changes
to
foreigns.
The
agency
Amendment
amends
section
11
to
revise
Incorporated
forms
for
clarity
and
to
align
form
content
with
current
regulatory
provisions.
A
Thank
you
so
much.
We
have
on
this
set
of
regs
and
agency
amendment.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
agency,
Amendment
Senator
Yates.
A
We'll
get
there
in
a
minute.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval
of
the
agency
Amendment?
We
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
without
objection
is
so
ordered,
so
we
have
before
us
the
care
you
see,
regs
as
amended
by
the
agency
Amendment.
Now
Center
Yates.
Did
you
have
your
question
yeah.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chair.
P
Sorry
to
jump
the
gun,
you're
good,
and
this
was
deferred
from
August
previously
onto
it
in
to
me,
I'm
Tinker
a
little
bit
and
transactions
onto
it
and
but
a
lot
of
times,
you're
going
to
deal
with
with
corporations
and
companies
that
may
be
selling
lots
of
different
real
estate
and
stuff,
and
so,
while
I
could
see
the
intent
of
this.
N
Yeah,
a
little
closer
I'm
sorry
I
have
a
little
horse.
Are
you
saying
that
if
we
have
an
LLC
that
flips
houses
are
we
going
to
have
to
fill
one
of
these
out
each
time?
Is
that
your
question
I'm
not
sure.
P
I
understood
my
question
so
I'm
a
minority
owner,
you
know
a
percentage
owner
in
several
different
companies
and
different
companies.
We
own
different
properties,
real
estate
transactions
in
the
event
that
I'm
a
member
of
one
of
these
and
let's
say
I,
go
to
purchase
a
different
property.
Would
they'll
have
to
be
a
disclosure
that
each
of
those
members
how
deep
in
the
weeds
are
we
going
to
dive
on
this.
O
Thank
you,
Senator.
The
the
forms
and
the
description
within
this
ethics
code
for
licensees
doesn't
speak
to
parties
substantive
obligations
of
their
own
in
a
transaction.
This
is
really
about
what
the
licensees
need
to
present
so
that
the
commission
isn't
really
going
to
be
able
to
answer
the
question
about
a
hypothetical
in
your
in
your
situation
with
those
types
of
parties
and.
P
Let
me
follow
up
sure
yep
and,
if
my,
if
there's
ignorance
in
my
questions,
please
explain
but
I
meant,
if
I'm,
if
me
and
LLC,
were
going
to
purchase
from
a
real
estate
agent
and
that
real
estate
agent
has
the
property
in
which
I'm
purchased
of
if
they
have
represented
any
other
member
of
that,
will
they
have
to
disclose
that
or
if
it's
only
when
it's
person-to-person
ownership.
P
N
O
So,
yes,
specifically
what
the
regulation
does
is.
It
removes
the
requirement
to
disclose
prior
contact
with
a
former
prospective
client
who
is
involved
in
the
contemplated
real
estate
transaction.
It
does
remove
that
requirement
for
the
licensee,
so.
O
P
N
What
where
we
started
with
this-
and
it's
been
going
for
a
long
time,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
understood
what
we
needed,
what
the
license
ease
felt
and
one
discussion
that
we
had
several
times
is
I
live
in
a
rural
town
and
I
know
most
all
the
people
I've
been
selling
46
years,
I,
don't
sell
every
house
I
sure
like
to
but
I
don't,
but
when
I
go
to
the
grocery
store
and
I
see
Dee
putting
up
the
cantaloupes
I
holler
over
hey
D,
you
ready
to
buy
a
house,
no
so
go
around
to
the
meat
counter
and
I
say:
hey
Tiffany,
you
ready
to
sell
yours.
N
Well,
we
got
into
am
I
making
an
agency
relationship
at
that
time.
Am
I
going
to
have
to
carry
forms
around
and
get
everybody
D
I.
Just
ask
you
about
buying
you're
going
to
have
to
sign
this,
so
we
wanted
to
have
it
so
that
when
you
really
got
into
a
situation,
you
know
who's
representing
you
and
who's.
Not
and
so
agency
can
change.
When
I
come
out
to
list
your
house
I'm
working
for
you,
but
it
could
change
because
I
might
sell
it
to
my
cousin.
N
So
at
that
point
I
might
I
will
become
a
dual
agent
and
that
so
we
wanted
to
make
it
where
it
was
clean
and
that
we
had
licensees
that
were
taking
their
form.
Some
were
not
getting
them
signed,
some
were
taking
them
at
the
wrong
time.
They
were
sending
them
to
the
other.
If
I
had
a
house
listed
and
agent
a
may,
send
me
the
agency
form
well,
I
didn't
need
to
know
what
they
were
doing
with
their
client,
so
this
just
kind
of
makes
it
all
clean.
P
A
I
have
a
question
that
I
over
here.
Could
you
talk
about
the
disclosure
form
and
the
difference
between
commercial
residential?
A
O
A
We
can
follow
up
with
that
later,
but
I
thought
that
may
help
answer
Center
Yates
question:
if
if
the
property
was
commercial
or
not
or
Okay,
so
yes,
grossberg,
representative
grossberg,
sorry,
that's.
Q
Right,
I'm
slow,
it's
clear,
the
wording
former
prospective
client.
If
someone
has
been
an
actual
client,
we
know
that
that
has
to
be
disclosed.
But
what
is
the
triggering
mechanism?
What
If,
instead
of
just
jokingly,
asking
D
in
the
grocery
store,
if
she's
ready
to
buy
a
house,
you've
actually
written
offers
for
her
previously.
R
I
just
got
one
quick
question
that
one
of
my
partners
asked
me
to
check
on
and
it's
on
the
buyer's
agency
and
it's
down
under
part
A.
It
says
the
principal
broker
being
retained.
The
word
retain
the
question:
is:
does
have
any
implication
of
requiring
payment
for
that
as
a
buyer's
agency
or
something
without
a.
O
Thank
you
and
to
be
clear,
the
agency
has
put
forward
this
form.
My
discussion
here
is
just
to
help
provide
the
information
and
context.
The
term
retained
here
in
this
form
is
not
necessarily
going
to
imply
that
somebody's
going
to
be
paid
for
the
services.
It's
retention
in
the
professional
relationship
sense
similar
to
how
you
might
find
it
in
other
professional
fields.
M
O
J
A
F
The
staff
suggests
the
amendment
amends
various
sections
to
comply
with
the
Drafting
and
formatting
requirements
of
KRS
chapter
13A
20131050
is
being
amended
to
add
new
language
relating
to
inactive
renewals
and
reactivations.
Make
changes
due
to
the
merger
of
the
incorporation
by
reference
forms
and
delete
previous
material
Incorporated
by
reference
and
instead
use
a
registration
and
certification
renewal
and
reinstatement
form.
That
is
a
unified
form.
The
staff
suggested
Amendment
amends
various
sections
to
comply
with
the
Drafting
and
formatting
requirements
of
KRS
chapter
13A.
A
U
U
A
Okay,
I
have
a
question
on
it's,
and
it's
in
my
summary,
where
it's
KR
31030.
It
says
temporary
permission
to
practice,
because
the
administrative
reg
is
no
longer
necessary
and
has
never
been
used
since
its
implementation.
Could
you
go
into
that
just
a
little
bit
and
describe
what's
happening
there.
U
About
that
yeah,
the
the
the
the
specific
piece
there
was
administered
when
the
regs
were
first
drafted
in
I,
believe
1994,
and
there
was
a
grace
period
for
folks
to
become
licensed
under
the
program
at
that
time,
and
those
folks
could
request
that
temporary
temporary
act
to
be
able
to
practice
until
they
could
fulfill
the
requirements
per
the
application,
processed
and
testing
requirements
to
date.
At
least
during
my
tenure.
There
has
been
no
requests
of
that
and
there
was
no
record
of
it
when
we
went
to
review.
A
B
V
The
staff
suggested
a
momentum
is
various
sections
to
comply
with
KRS
chapter
13A,
301
2081
amends
requirements
for
transporting
and
holding
native
Wildlife
to
update
definitions,
establish
an
online
permitting
system,
clarify
and
update,
permit
requirements,
update
species
exemptions
and
update
Incorporated
material.
The
staff
suggested
amendments,
various
sections
to
comply
with
KRS
chapter
13A
301-2082
amends
requirements
for
transporting
and
holding
exotic
Wildlife
to
establish
an
online
permitting
system,
update
Provisions
for
permit
denial
and
revocation
update
species
exemptions,
prohibit
the
importation
and
possession
of
wild
rabbits
hairs,
pikas
and
lynx
and
update
Incorporated
material.
A
A
A
V
A
You
there
are,
there
is
a
staff
amendment.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval
of
Staff
Amendment?
We
have
a
motion.
Do
we
have?
Second,
we
have
Motion
in
a
second
without
objection
and
so
ordered
we
have
the
regs
as
amended
with
staff
Amendment.
Do
we
have
any
questions
from
members
so,
as
with
any
Reg,
I
see
increased
fees?
So
if
you
could
just
go
into
that
real
quick
and
tell
us
how
much
you're
increasing
fees
we.
S
Are
doubling
the
fees
for
the
organic
program?
That's
a
good
catch
fees
haven't
been
touched
since
at
least
prior
to
2004.
When
you
all
look
at
the
back
side
of
the
reg
and
our
financial
analysis
on
it
with
doubling
of
fees,
we
can
attempt
to
recoup
things
like
gas
and
vehicles
this.
This
is
a
loss
leading
program
for
the
department,
but
provides
a
pretty
big
public
service
for
the
participants.
A
I
If
you're,
if
you're
looking
at
it,
if
you're
an
organic
certified
crop
Farm,
the
current
fee
is
250
dollars
to
become
certified
after
the
fee
increase,
it
jumps
up
to
500
dollars,
but
then,
with
the
USDA
cost
share
that
would
drop
that
feedback
down
to
that
250
dollars.
That
is
a
fifty
five
hundred
dollar
up
to
50
percent
of
your
certification
cost.
A
So
so,
once
they're,
okay,
you
pay
your
500
bucks.
You
you
get
your
Organic
certification.
A
You
know
you
have
USDA
organic.
Is
this?
Where
that
happens,
or
is
there
another
layer
that
USDA
has
to
come
in
and
do
that
as
well?
Or
is
it
all
together.
I
I
S
To
maintain
our
viability
in
providing
this
service,
I
mean
we're
literally,
if
you
don't
go
with
us,
the
next
fee
is
about
four
times
as
much
and
to
just
ensure
that
we're
still
available
to
provide
these
Services
we've
got
a
letter
of
support
from
an
organization
of
organic
farmers
in
Kentucky
that
wish
to
maintain
us
still
in
business.
S
I,
don't
believe
their
letter
includes
that.
W
A
P
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
I
think
that
you're
trying
to
explain
that,
because
in
areas
where
it's
not
subsidized
and
it's
it
goes
to
the
mark
of
the
competition,
it
actually
there's
increased
cost,
and
we
talked
earlier
about
the
whether
or
not
the
cost
will
be
put
on
to
the
consumer.
Well,
it's
all
a
supply
and
demand
as
well,
so
everybody
they're
going
to
make
as
much
money
as
they
can
make
the
more
the
better.
The
more
organic
organic
competition
you
could
put
out
there
is
your
is
going
to
reduce
the
cost.
P
If
you
only
have
one
or
two
places
to
get
the
organic
foods,
this
cost
can
be
relatively
high
and
by
this
service
being
provided
is
subsidized
service
at
a
lower
cost.
You
provide
more
people
to
the
market
and
if
we
lose
this
in
Kentucky
in
this
area,
we're
going
to
have
less
organic
farmers
to
the
market.
Is
that
correct.
S
We
did
that
in
a
sense.
Yes,
sir,
put
that
in
the
letter,
but
this
reg
definitely
increases
the
cost.
W
A
A
J
Think
at
first
it's
not
going
to
have
any
impact,
and
really
it
may
not
in
the
future.
Really
the
impact
up
front
is
that
we're
going
to
be
collecting
information
on
who
uses
it
and
then
EPA
May
in
the
future
develop
a
bragged
to
restrict
the
emissions
of
one
from
propane,
but
that's
not
occurred
yet.
Thank.
A
D
This
regulation
amends
to
update
the
policies
and
procedures
of
Luther
leckett
Correctional
Complex,
including
adding
a
new
policy
on
Ada
and
inmate
access.
The
staff
Amendment
amends
various
sections
in
the
material
Incorporated
by
reference
for
clarity
and
to
comply
with
13A
drafting
requirements.
A
A
A
Seeing
none
I'm
not
going
to
ask
any
questions
on
Juvenile,
Justice,
yeah
that'll
be
another
day
another
month
right,
any
no
questions.
Seeing
none,
please
call
next
regulation.
Thank
you.
D
During
the
implementation
phase
and
updated
comprehensive
rate
that
can
be
billed
Implement
a
prospective
payment
system
rate
reimbursement
to
require
mcos
to
use
cost
reports
and
cost
surveys
developed
and
implemented
by
Department
of
Medicaid
services
to
include
Provisions
for
laboratory
services
and
to
reserve
the
ability
to
completely
remove
this
benefit
and
provider
type
for
managed
care.
In
order
to.
X
A
A
This
was
in
response
to
Senate
Bill
8..
Yes,
could
you
just
briefly
talk
about
the
MCO
part,
what
we're
requiring
of
the
mcos
and
and
that
interplay
there.
Please.
X
So
after
we
had
this
filed,
we
had
some
additional
discussions
and
we
are
carving
this
out
entirely
from
the
mcos.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
a
fee
for
service
benefit,
moving
forward,
they're
going
to
submit
the
cost
reports
to
us
and
we're
just
going
to
pay
them
from.
A
There
so
you're,
basically
bypassing
the
mcos,
yes
gotcha,
and
that's
that
was
with
full
approval.
That
was
with
legislative.
X
X
We
had
the
authority
to
do
that
and
and
as
we
move
forward,
we
realized
that
a
lot
of
the
child
advocacy
centers
were
not
participating
with
the
MCO
so
that
there
was
only
about
half
of
them
that
were
participating.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this
provider
type
is
fully
implemented
and
fully
participating
with
the
Medicaid
children.
And
you
know
that's
that's
half
plus
of
the
kids
in
the
in
the
state.
X
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
they're
they're
fully
able
to
participate,
that
there
are
no
barriers
to
participation,
and
so
so
we
went
ahead
and
carved
this.
A
Is
my
last
question
so?
Was
there
a
problem
with
the
child
advocacy
centers
pulling
down
monies
from
the
mcos?
A
X
I
I
think
that
that
would
need
to
be
a
a
larger
discussion,
a
larger
investigation
or
anything
like
that.
We,
you
know
just
from
what
we
saw
it
looked
like
there
was
only
about
I,
think
that
there's
15
there
there
were
anywhere
between
seven
to
eight
that
were
participating.
We
wanted
to
get
that
a
little
bit
higher
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
just
really
no
additional
barriers.
X
The
more
we
looked
at
this,
the
more
we
saw
all
this
regulation,
it
kind
of
hindered
their
ability
to
participate
fully
in
the
Medicaid
Program.
So.
C
I'll
just
correct
for
the
record
and
I
believe
I'm
correct
in
this
statement.
The
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
did
not
increase
the
reimbursement
rate.
Senate
Bill
8
required
them
to
increase
the
reimbursement
rate
for
child
advocacy
centers.
So
there's
some
mincing
of
words
here,
but
the
truth
is
Senate.
Bill
8
did
right
by
the
Child
Advocacy
Center
so
that
they
could
actually
get
reimbursed
for
the
cost
of
the
exams
that
were
being
performed
because
they
were
having
to
raise
private
dollars
for
that,
instead
of
being
reimbursed
with
public
dollars.
W
X
Y
A
That's
what
I
was
looking
at
as
well
next
on
my
docket
is
licensure
of
non-hospital-based,
outpatient,
Alcohol
and
Other
Drug
Treatment
entities
is
that.
A
Gotcha
gotcha,
so
someone
else
want
to
read
the
summary
based
on
that
Reg
908-1374.
A
F
Y
A
That's
okay,
there's
just
a
little
bit
of
confusion
on
our
end.
It's
it's
fine,
you're
perfectly
fine.
Unless
members
would
prefer
that
to
be
read,
I
see
no
need
for
it.
Thank
you.
Any
there
are
no
amendments,
so
we
have
any
questions
for
members
on
this
set
of
regulations.
Seeing
none,
please
call
the
next
regulation.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
F
This
regulation
establishes
the
employed
child
care
assistance
partnership.
The
staff
suggested
Amendment
amends
Section
3
to
comply
with
the
drafting
requirements
of
KRS
chapter
13A.
The
agency
Amendment
amends
Section
8
for
clarity,
section
9
to
update
the
addition
date
of
material
Incorporated
by
reference
and
the
material
Incorporated
by
reference
for
consistency
with
the
regulation.
T
A
Thank
you
so
much,
there's
a
staff
amendment.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval,
the
staff
Amendment?
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
without
objection
is
so
ordered,
there's
also
an
agency
amendment.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
agency
Amendment
seeing
none?
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval
of
the
agency
Amendment
with
Motion
in
a
second,
without
objection
it
is
so
ordered
we
have
before
us
the
stat,
the
regulation
with
staff
Amendment
and
agency
Amendment
any
questions
from
members.
A
Could
you
just
briefly
describe
what
this
partnership
will
do.
T
Yes,
it
does
yes,
sir
I'd
be
happy
to
this
regulation
implements
House
Bill
499
from
last
session,
which
I
put
into
effect
in
employee
child
care
assistance
partnership.
This
is
a
new
program
through
which
an
employer
and
the
state
will
be
able
to
contribute
towards
an
employee's
child
care
cost.
So
the
the
hope,
the
intent
of
this
administrative
regulation
and
the
legislation
from
last
year
is
to
help
employers
obtain
and
maintain
employees
that
have
children
in
child
care.
T
We've
presented
before
on
the
cost
of
child
care,
the
importance
of
the
child
care
assistance
program
and
just
how
the
cost
of
child
care
can
make
a
big
impact
can
be
a
really
big
decision
point
in
a
family's
decision
to
return
to
work
or
obtain
employment.
So
we
we
hope
that
this
program
is
beneficial
in
helping
employers
attract
and
retain
their
employees
with
children,
child
care.