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Motion
motion
carries
total
number
of
items
on
the
agenda
today:
equal
359
in
the
amount
of
117
million
50
or
170
million
50
421.50.
All
vendors
are
registered
with
the
Secretary
of
State's
office.
First,
we
will
consider
the
Deferred
list,
the
first
item
on
the
third
list
of
the
Department
of
Education.
As
is
number
one
on
the
August
routine
PSC
list.
There's
Representatives,
please
come
forward.
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G
I
think
we
want
to
go
to
some
more
information
specific
to
the
legislation
that
was
passed,
that
mandated
this
and
I.
Don't
know
if
our
colleagues
reached
out
to
Central
wise
or
not,
since
he
was
a
co-sponsor
of
that
bill.
G
I
think
we
rely
too
much
on
the
covet
as
an
excuse
for
falling
scores.
You
look
particularly
about
reading
and
our
score
has
been
falling
since
2013.,
as
I
mentioned
last
month.
G
We
have
a
lot
of
money
that
we've
tied
up
into
education.
Is
it
everything
that
folks
wanted
to
be
not
by
any
means,
but
I
think
it's
enough
that
we
should
be
seeing
seeing
results.
So
if
we
don't
get
results,
then
there
needs
to
be
accountability
and
again,
I
think
that's
what's
lacking
not
just
from
the
Department
of
Education,
but
state
government
in
total.
There's,
no
accountability.
G
So
I
am
very
curious
and
we'll
watch
this
very
closely
that
as
we
move
forward-
and
we
have
this
independent
study
that
if
we
don't
achieve
the
results
that
we
think
we
desire
is
who's
going
to
accept
responsibility
for
that
in
words,
accountability,
life,
so
I,
guess,
Mr,
chair,
there's
not
a
question
as
much
just
commentary
on
the
contract
itself,
but
with
that,
unless
any
of
the
community
members
have
a
a
commented
question
I'll
make
the
recommendation
to
approve
the
the
agreement.
I.
A
I
I
haven't
explained
my
vote.
I
I
also
agree
with
with
Senator,
Meredith
and
I
do
have
a
lot
of
concern
in
this
area.
We
continually
talk
about
how
we
don't
we
don't
put
enough
money
into
education
into
the
education
space
and
then
we
continually
get
a
product,
that's
failing
and
I
think
if
we
in
our
own
homes,
if
we
were
buying
products
that
continue
to
fail
I,
don't
think
we
would
continue
to
spend
our
money
on
those
products.
I
We
might
look
for
different
products
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
the
legislature
needs
to
take
a
look
at
in
terms
of
how
we're
Distributing
our
money
within
the
education
system,
but
I.
Thank
you,
ladies
for
your
presentation
that
you
gave
the
last
time.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chairman.
All.
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Next
order
of
business
is
consideration
of
the
agenda,
including
the
personal
service
contract
list,
PSC
Amendment
list
memorandum
of
agreement
list,
memorandum
of
agreement,
Amendment
list,
the
Kentucky,
entertainment
incentive
program,
agreement
list
and
the
corrections
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review.
Do
we
have
a
commotion
to
consider
the
contracts
reviewed
without
objection.
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A
Do
you
have
a
motion
motion
by
Senator
our
co-chair
Meredith?
Second,
second,
by
representative
Pollock
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
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A
Okay
and
I've
got
a
couple
questions
and
it's
more
for
some
information
I
mean
just
more
education
than
it
than
anything.
The
first
thing
AKA,
let's
see,
let
me
I'm
looking
at
my
notes,
give
me
bear
with
me:
why
does
it
EKU
need
to
spend
one
million
dollars
to
expand
the
marketing
program?
Just
give
us
some
background
information,
and
maybe
some.
F
Thank
you
for
having
us
the
RFP
was
for
up
to
a
million.
Last
year
we
spent
approximately
560
000.
We
do
not
have
a
budget
allotment
above
that
this
year,
so
that
is
an
authorization,
but
we
will
be
spending
approximately
560
000
on
this
particular.
This
is
for
advertising
majority
of
those
funds.
75
of
those
funds
will
go
directly
for
the
ad
buy,
which
is
a
bulk
purchase.
Buy.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
My
other
question
is,
is
let's
just
assume
for
me
that
we
all
agree
on
on
the
plan
and
the
expenditure
of
a
woman
of
a
multi-million
dollar
content
for
marketing.
My
biggest
question
is:
can
you
give
me
a
little
bit
of
insight
of
why
a
Northern
or
a
North
Carolina
company
was
picked?
Was
there
not
a
Kentucky
company
or
or
business
that
could
have
done
the
same
job
or
absolutely.
F
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
we
had
15
individuals
respond
to
the
RFP,
three
of
which
were
Kentucky.
One
of
those
three
were
not
viable,
meaning
they
didn't
respond
to
the
RFP
to
the
manner
and
which
was
necessary
as
Apples
to
Apples
bitter.
The
other
two
one
was
the
firm
that
we
used
previously
under
contract
the
previous
year
and
the
third
firm
was
one
that
did
not
have
an
expertise
in
higher
education.
Okay,.
F
Will
be
a
new
firm
that
we
are
working
with?
Yes,
their
bid
came
in
at
middle
of
the
pack,
none
of
the
Kentucky
firms
were
the
lowest
bidders,
and
so
this
particular
firm
was
the
middle
of
the
pack
bidder.
With
regards
to
price
point
and.
A
F
Can
you
maybe
expand
on
that
a
little
bit?
Absolutely?
They
have
integration
capabilities
from
our
data
set
with
the
systems
that
we
use,
that
the
Kentucky
firms
were
not
able
to
use
or
have
not
successfully
used.
That
program
is
slate,
it's
a
higher
education
tool
and
so
that
and
the
ability
to
do
a
national
buy
at
a
level,
especially
for
some
of
our
Niche
programs
in
manufacturing,
engineering
and
Aviation
fire
science.
C
The
only
question
I
have
is
your:
your
last
year's
budget
was
560
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
how
it
could
be
pumped
to
them.
Why?
Why
are
we
asking
for
a
million
that's
a
lot
of
difference
between
560
000.
C
F
Appreciate
that
that's
something
that
we
actually
had
a
discussion
on
about
that
we
are
working
on
with
our
procurement
team
about
how
that
language
is
written
in
our
procurement
contracts.
But
we
are
not
confident
that
the
560
is
going
to
be
the
max.
So
we
needed
a
little
bit
of
push-up.
We
did
not
need
it
up
to
the
million,
but
that
is
something
that,
in
our
future,
rfps
we'll
be
working
on
to
address
the
not
to
exceed.
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A
M
Make
it
a
point
to
go
around
to
as
many
universities
as
possible
because
I'm
I'm,
a
strong
supporter
of
higher
education
and
I've,
been
on
Eastern's
campus
quite
a
bit
in
the
last
six
months
and
I
will
tell
you
their
robot
is
increasing
in
Michigan.
The
aroma
is
increasing
significantly.
M
M
All
supported
with
this
they've
indicated
that
the
contract
is
not
going
to
reach
a
million
or
they
want
to
give
themselves
some
structure
building
which
I
think
any
good
business
wants
to
do
when
they
budget
they
want
to
give
themselves
some
flexibility,
so
they're
they're
not
constrained
as
they
move
forward.
So
this
makes
this
concept
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
I'm
all
forward
and
I'm.
A
Our
co-chair
Meredith
made
the
motion,
and
just
representative
representative
Chester
burton
seconded
all
those
in
favor
of
old
eye,
all
those
of
holes
well,
nay,
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
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A
Culture
co-chair
Meredith
and
myself.
We
do
have
some
questions,
culture
or
culture,
Meredith.
G
Thank
you,
coach,
your
heart
and
thank
you
for
being
with
us
this
morning.
A
certainly
understand
the
need
for
this
service,
as
you
reference
Center
Bill
192..
G
My
question
is
more
on
the
line
on
the
process
itself
and
I
was
ready
to
pass
on
this
one
until
I
was
reviewing
the
letter
and
on
the
second
page
of
justification
for
a
higher
fee
in
this
particular
firm
I'll
read
it
directly.
It
says,
furthermore,
if
you,
if
any
attorneys
in
Kentucky,
have
the
required
experience
and
expertise
support
this
unique
review
and
Council
of
the
commission
anytime,
we
send
money
out
of
the
state
which
culture
Hearts
already
made
reference
to.
It's
a
concern
to
us,
but
this
is
a
1.3
million
dollar
contract.
G
O
Unfortunately,
there's
only
about
half
the
states
that
authorize
securitization
bonds
and,
at
this
point,
most
of
what
we
received
were
either
out
of
California
or
New
York,
it's
it's
very
specialized
and
with
the
dollars
that
are
included
here,
we
we
feel
like
it's
important
to
have
the
best
or
the
people
most
qualified
to
make
sure
that
Eastern
Kentucky
rate
payers
are
getting
the
absolute
best
deal
on
the
securitization
bonds
that
we
can
always.
G
Certainly,
support
that
as
well.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
due
diligence
is
followed
and
we
are
actually
having
a
very
vibrant
rep
process
and
we're
actually
listing
other
groups
to
to
do
this.
But
you
said
there
were
five
firms
that
responded
Yes
and
they
were
either
California
or
New
York.
Yes,
sir
all
right,
thank
you.
A
My
first
question:
you,
you
you've
kind
of
answered,
but
my
overall
concern
is
I
I,
just
I,
find
it
alarming
or
concerning
that
that
we're
hiring
out
of
state
company
or
companies,
in
this
case
New
Yorkers,
to
interpret
new
Kentucky
law
and
I
kind
of
alluding
to
what
Senator
Meredith's
question
about
Kentucky
firms.
I
realize
this
is
a
specialized
Niche,
but
we
don't
have
anybody
in
this
state
that
that
would
be
qualified,
or
did
they
just
not
apply
or
well.
O
And
I'm
hesitant
since
no
one
applied
to
say
there's
no
one
in
the
state.
There
are
certainly
qualified
Bond
councils
and
and
CPAs
in
the
state
of
Kentucky.
Again,
the
the
process
of
the
securitization
bonds
is
very
niche
market
and
and
the
utility
is
the
one
who's
issuing
the
bonds,
but
the
savings
are
being
driven
to
the
rate
payers,
and
so
our
role
as
the
Public
Service
Commission
is.
O
We
want
to
find
the
expertise
that
is
driving
the
most
savings
for
those
customers,
and
these
are
the
most
qualified
folks
for
giving
us
those
advice.
They
had
multiple
State
commissions
that
they
had
advised
on
securitization
bonds,
and
when
we
checked
the
references
they
were
impressive.
The
the
commissions
felt
like
the
they
had
made
sure
to
drive
10
basis
points
more
20
basis,
points
more
on
the
bonds
that
they
were
overseeing.
C
Following
up
on
your
commit
your
comments
and
other
comments
that
were
made,
can
you
imagine
the
legislatures
in
New,
York's,
New,
York
and
California
meeting
today
and
making
a
decision
about
this
same
process
from
and
and
selecting
a
an
attorney
a
law
firm
from
the
state
of
Kentucky
I?
Don't
think
so
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
continue
to
even
sometimes
maybe
we
need
to
change
our
process.
So
we
can
maybe
seek
out
Council
from
Kentucky.
O
O
We
understand
that,
even
though
this
is
not
affecting
the
general
fund
that
every
single
one
of
these
dollars
will
flow
back
to
the
ratepayers
as
costs
and
our
team
and
the
Commissioners
are
aware
of
the
cost
of
the
contract
and
it's
Our
intention
to
engage
them
with
their
expertise,
but
to
keep
these
costs
as
minimal
as
we
can.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
coach
here.
My
question
is
pretty
short.
I
I
often
hear
the
word,
the
best
and
and
I'm
not
I'm,
not
quite
sure
that
I've
heard
anyone
Define
when
they
talk
about
this
is
the
best
company.
Could
you
help
us
out
sitting
up
here?
What
what
that
means
the
best
is
it
the
most
experienced.
Is
it
the
most
comfortable
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
means.
O
Okay,
let
me
let
me
see
if
I,
because
I
was
actually
part
of
the
selection
committee,
we
did
go
through
the
RFP
process,
as
prescribed
by
the
finance
cabinet,
and
the
selection
proposal
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
decisions
were
being
made,
because
we
did
realize
that
this
was
likely
to
be
a
large
contract.
O
The
this
firm
had
worked
on
again,
that's
only
I
believe
27
states
that
authorized
Bond,
securitization
or
securitization
bonds.
This,
this
firm
particular
firm
had
worked
in
nine
of
those
entities
working
with
other
commissions
to
advise
them
the
next
most
qualified
one
that
we
had
seen
only
had
three
commissions
that
they
had
worked
with
and
again
when
we
were
checking
the
references.
A
Any
further
questions,
if
not
do
we
have,
if
not,
do
we
have
a
motion
to
consider
the
contract
reviewed
without
objection
motion
by
co-chair
Meredith?
Is
there
a
second
by
representative
Pollock
and
just
for
clarification
purposes?
We
are.
This
is
for
both
35
or.
A
G
We're
talking
about
contract
35,
which
is
saber
Partners
LLC
and
again
it
goes
with
the
process,
not
the
firm
itself.
So
can
you
walk
me
through
a
little
bit
how
that
RFP
took
place
and.
O
Maybe
I
should
have
been
a
little
more
specific
about
this,
so
we
put
out
one
RFP
so
that
we
gave
them
the
option
of
either
being
legal
or
accounting
or
both.
So
because
we
need
that
advice,
we
do
not
have
none
of
the
commissions
across
the
country
have
in-house
expertise.
We
are
looking
to
engage
these
two
firms
came
in.
O
They
had
worked
together
in
multiple
locations,
but
they
did
not
come
in
partner
or
do
they
came
in
separately,
so
we
had
the
option
of
looking
at
different
firms,
but
we
were
looking
specifically
for
a
legal
and
for
the
accounting
advice
so
of
the
five.
These
were
two
of
the
five
that
we
selected
so.
J
G
Well,
I'll
commend
you.
Miss
Birdwell
you've
done
an
excellent
job
of
explaining
this
very
complicated
process
to
us,
and
let
me
assure
you
that
my
questions
aren't
a
challenge
to
anybody's
personal
Integrity
just
want
to
make
sure
the
process
is
being
followed
and
that
too
many
times
we
see
contracts
that
it
appears
to
be
well
we're
doing
this
one
because
I
know
a
guy
who
knows
a
guy,
but
obviously
you've
done
much
to
a
more
detailed
work
on
that
and
I
appreciate
your
explanation
and
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning
with
that
Mr
chair.
A
I
You
can
do
about
that,
but
I
really
want
those
those
who
are
looking
in
this
space
to
start
hunting
for
people
here
in
the
Commonwealth.
We
have
a
lot
of
expertise
here
in
the
Commonwealth
and
we're
not
utilizing
the
expertise
here
in
the
Commonwealth,
and
we
won't
get
experience
in
this
area
in
the
Commonwealth
unless
we
use
the
people
in
the
Commonwealth.
C
J
M
M
So
you
know
I'm
going
to
play
ball
today
and
I'm
going
to
vote
eye
on
this,
but
I
listen
to
my
Senate
colleagues
who
I
have
a
great
deal
of
respect
for
and
we
work
very
closely
together:
Senator
Meredith,
Senator,
Douglas,
Senator,
Boswell
and
I
want
you
to
know
and
I
want
anyone
who
comes
before
this
comedian,
knowing
the
future
that
I
fully
agree
with
them
and
I
think
we
ought
to
start
putting
our
money
back
into
Kentucky,
and
maybe
this
strikes
a
particular
nerve
with
me.
M
Since
I
am
an
attorney
and
I
know
the
quality
of
attorneys.
We
have
in
this
state
and
I
like
to
see
our
state
funds
go
to
state
attorneys.
M
Senator
Boswell
made
an
excellent
point
if
we
were
in
New
York
today
in
Albany,
where
the
capital
is,
and
we
had
a
Kentucky
firm
coming
to
them
saying
we
want
to
do
Securities
work
in
Kentucky
and
the
legislature
had
to
vote
on
that.
They
would
they
would
laugh
that
contract
out
of
the
room
right
about
that.
So
I'm
gonna
vote
I
today
again,
because
this
is
my
first
time
on
a
committee,
but
I
will
tell
you
if
I
continue
to
see
this.
J
M
D
D
So,
as
we
talked
about
all
day
long
about
here
in
Kentucky,
we
of
the
people
doing
business
and
firms
accountants.
All
these
folks
step
up.
Look
for
these
opportunities
to
bid.
We
want
to
do
this
here
in
the
state
of
Kentucky,
but
if
we
do
not
have
something
to
work
with
it's
kind
of
hard
to
do.
Thank
you.
A
Motion
carries
and
moves
forward.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here.
The
next
items
on
the
pool
list
are
with
the
office
of
controller
and
his
items,
number
41
on
the
routine
PSC
green
list
and
items
item
39
on
the
PSC
Amendment
Ivory
list,
and
we're
going
to
do
these
one
at
a
time.
A
Thank
you.
So,
if
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
for
the
record
my.
P
Name
is
Robert
long,
I'm,
Deputy,
Secretary
of
the
Personnel
cabinet,
okay,.
A
On
item
number
one
or
41
co-chair
Meredith
and
I
both
have
questions
so
cultural
Meredith.
You
can
go
foreign.
G
A
comment
I
know
you
have
appeared
before
our
committee
before
and
I
think
you
know
our
version
to
contracts
from
California,
yes
and
I.
Think
for
Thomas's
benefit
that
you
may
recall
back
in
I
think
it's
2019
State
of
California
in
protest.
The
legislation
we
passed
in
2018,
the
Attorney
General
convinced
the
legislature
that
they
should
boycott
Kentucky
and
not
allow
any
state
employees
to
travel
to
Kentucky
for
business
purposes.
P
So
the
office
of
controller
and
finance
cabinet
issued
this
because
it's
a
Statewide
contract
that
can
be
used
by
all
executive
branch
agencies,
assuming
the
executive
branch
agencies,
do
exercise
these
and
use
these
vendors
and
do
it
successfully.
We
envisioned
this
contract
could
also
be
made
available
to
AOC
and
to
the
legislature
for
recruiting
and
marketing
needs,
because
it
was
designed
as
a
Statewide,
a
government
contract.
It
has
to
be
issued
through
the
office
of
the
controller
at
the
finance
cabinet,
but
the
Personnel
cabinet.
P
It
was
the
the
impetus
or
the
the
ask
to
to
have
this
contract
or
the
RFP
issued,
and
we
will
be
monitoring
the
the
use
of
the
contract.
Why.
P
There
were
10
bids
submitted
in
a
competitive
RFP,
two
firms
were
deemed
unresponsive,
so
eight
were
scored
and
then
two
contracts
were
awarded.
The
earlier
contract
was
reviewed
by
this
Committee
in
July
and
was
approved,
and
this
is
this
contract
is
now
before
and
they
were
just
simply
the
two
highest
scored
vendors
in
the
competitive
RFP
process,
who.
P
There
were
is
my
understanding:
I
was
not
on
the
the
scoring
team.
My
understanding
is,
there
were
Kentucky
firms,
I
cannot
say
whether
or
not
they
were
deemed
responsive
or
not,
or
whether
they
were
just
simply
didn't
score
as
well.
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
I.
G
Remember
a
couple
years
ago
we
had
a
contract
that
did
a
little
bit
contentious
and
when
I
asked
you,
if
they
were
the
low
bid,
of
course
I
was
told
yes,
they
were,
but
then
the
answer
was
well:
no,
they
had
the
best
bid.
So
what's
the
best
bid
again
it's
according
to
the
scoring
guidelines
and
I
think
this
particular
group
there
was
a
lot
of
flexibility
is
what
those
scoring
guidelines
were.
So
just
like
some
assurances
was
was
just
the
lowest
bid,
the
best
bid
or
both.
P
I'm
not
sure
about
the
where
it
comes
as
cost,
because
the
way
this
thing
is
structured,
the
the
vendors
have
services
that
are
going
to
be
made
available
and
they
have
a
kind
of
a
price
sheet
that
using
agencies
will
be
able
to
develop
a
scope
of
work,
submit
that
scope
of
work
for
review
by
the
Personnel
cabinet,
Correctional
cabinet
will
approve
it
and
then
they'll
be
able
to
go
to
the
both
of
vendors
to
allow
them
to
submit
basically
a
a
proposal
on
how
we're
going
to
meet
this
need.
P
And
what
is
this
cost
going
to
be?
And
the
agencies
will
be
able
to
kind
of
force
the
two
firms
to
compete
with
one
another
to
best
service,
their
their
needs.
So,
ultimately,
I
think
these
two
firms
that
were
picked
were
the
best
combination
of
of
rates
of
experience,
of
skills
in
this
area
and
we're
ultimately,
the
best
scored
it's
hard
to
really
I
think
say
exactly
because
we're
not
sure
exactly
how
they're
going
to
be
utilized.
How
they're
going
to
be
priced.
G
P
P
G
I'm
just
curious:
let's
put
you
on
spot
a
little
bit,
but
this
version
that
I
had
the
California
contracts
is
not
new.
It's
going
on
for
three
four
years
now
and
again,
I,
don't
know
how
else
we
protect
the
sovereignty
of
this
state
unless
we
take
a
stand
against
places
like
California
who
say
we're
going
to
protest
legislation
that
you
pass,
even
though
it
doesn't
affect
us
whatsoever.
P
Well,
I
mean
I
can't
speak
for
all
the
agencies,
but
I
can
say
that
we
we
do
understand
the
committee's
concerns.
The
reality
is
we
do
we
follow
the
model
procurement
code
and
we
place
a
competitive
RFP
out
there,
and
there
is
no
statutory
authority
to
allow
us
to
discriminate
on
the
basis
of
geography
and
so
we're
just
following
the
the
competitive
process
in
order
to
fulfill
these
contracts.
G
C
Being
relatively
new
to
this
committee,
this
this
question
is
not
a
specifically
directed
to
you,
but
it's
a
general
question.
So,
following
up
on
Senator
Meredith's
question
what
what
what
the
word
I'm
trying
to
use
here
I'm?
C
How
do
we
know
we're
totally
independent
when
we
make
the
decision
as
far
as,
for
example,
I'm
talking
about
California?
We
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
money,
a
lot
of
political
contributions
coming
into
our
state
when
you
guys
make
these
final
decisions
about
who's
going
to
get
his
contract.
Is
there
any
consideration?
Is
anyone
checking
to
see
if
there's
any
conflict
of
interest
as
far
as
any
political
monies
coming
into
the
state
for
for
either
party.
P
Senator
Boswell,
thank
you
for
the
question,
but
yes,
every
vendor
has
to
file
a
with
their
bid
proposal,
an
affidavit
demonstrating
that
there
that
there
are
no
conflicts
of
interest
and
there
are
checks
that
go
on
to
help,
ensure
that
and
to
my
knowledge
there
are
no
conflicts.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
Thank
you
so
much
I,
like
Senator
or
Senator
Meredith
I've,
been
on
the
committee
for
a
while
now
and
We've
I'm
a
little
discouraged
because
sometimes
it
seems
like
this
is
the
only
committee
that
raises
questions
about
California
contracts
and
my
my
soul
issue
or
my
primary
issue
is
the
fact
when
a
sovereign
state
takes
action
against
the
Netherlands,
Oliver
and
state
in
this
case,
Kentucky
it's
impungent
upon
the
general
assembly.
A
If
the
executive
branch
is
going
to
ignore
negative
action
taken
against
this
state,
then
the
Supreme
honest
the
question
and
try
to
rectify
that
wrong,
regardless
of
parting,
I
I
feel
like
our
executive
branch,
should
have
made
some
type
of
commitment
or
executive
order
or
something
to
say.
Well.
If
the
state
of
California
chooses
not
to
do
business
with
our
companies,
then
we
choose
not
to
do
business
with
them
and
I
understand
in
your
all's
positions.
A
You
can't
discriminate
against
state
lines
and
geography
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
so
I
understand
that
you're
sending
out
the
rfps
and
you're
getting
your
bids
and
you're
you're
doing
your
due
diligence
when
you
do
when
you
decide
who
gets
a
contract
but
I
just
wish
we
as
a
state
and
it's
all
the
legislature,
both
judicial
executive
branch.
A
If
we
would
look
at
what
other
states
are
doing
to
us
and
we
would
if
we
would
be
more
forceful
and
and
be
more
protective
of
our
state
if
all
branches
of
government
acted
as
one
and
then
and
that's
my
that's
my
concern.
It's
my
commitment
not
only
to
the
state
but
to
the
members
of
this
committee
as
long
as
California
contracts
come
in
front
of
us
until
this
situation
is
rectified
with
the
state
of
California.
I
will
always
pull
to
a
question.
A
So
I
concur
with
what
my
colleagues
have
said
and
I'm
not
trying
to
put
you
on
a
spot
I.
Just
you
just
happen
to
have
the
California.
H
A
I
Thank
you,
Mr
coach
here,
a
brief
comment
and
then
a
question.
I
The
reason
we're
expressing
concern
is
it
is
that
it
affects
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
It
affects
the
economy
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
That's
that's
our
charge.
That
is
what
we
do
here.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
record
is
clear
that
this
is
not.
This
is
not
personal.
The
second
thing
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand.
That
is
that
this
is
not
partisan.
I
So
this
is
not
a
partisan.
These
aren't
partisan
comments
that
we're
making.
These
are
bipartisan
comments
and
I
hope
that
people
people
understand
that
my
question
is:
has
there
been
any
any
efforts
by
the
executive
branch
to
protect
the
people
of
a
commonwealth
in
these
situations
where
we
have
states
that
are
boycotting
us?
P
I
M
Thanks
to
chair,
look
I
understand
that
this
is
a
political
environment
and
that
politics
permeates
everything
we
do.
I
I
get
that.
However,
my
preference
for
Kentucky
companies,
you
know,
has
nothing
to
do
with
partisanship
or
who
the
governor
of
the
state
is
or
or
or
what
their
General
Assembly
looks
like.
M
You
indicated
that
when
a
person
makes
a
bed,
they
sign
an
affidavitational
conflict
of
interest.
I
I,
take
that
so
so
I
don't
get
into
those
those
suppositions
or
or
concerns
or
rumors
of
all
of
that,
and
so
I
I
trust
that
all
contracts
come
here.
You'll
come
here
with
the
understanding
that
that
the
people
who's
presenting
them
feel
like
that.
That's
the
best
deal
for
the
company.
M
I
do
I
make
my
point
clear:
I
do
prefer
Kentucky
companies
and
and
I'm
going
to
always
push
for
that,
but
to
say
that
politics
plays
a
role
in
every
contract
that
we
have,
and
we
got
to
look
at
at
at
look
under
the
table
to
see
that
that
no
something
Sneaky's
not
being
done
I
I
I
just
am
trying
to
remove
myself
from
that
as
much
as
possible
and
just
look
at
the
merits
of
the
contract
on
itself.
G
A
Second,
by
co-chair
Meredith,
all
in
paper,
boat,
I,
all
post
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
route.
I
I
I
would
like
to
see
all
our
branches
of
government
take.
Take
that
kind
of
a
stance
and
say:
if
you're
not
interested
in
playing
ball
with
us.
Barely
then,
perhaps
we
need
to
have
a
different
conversation
again.
I'm
voting
I
said,
but
but
I
do
think
that
I
do
think
the
people
elected
us
to
do
more
than
sit
on
our
hands
and
and
just
say,
okay,
let's
do
this.
Thank
you,
Mr
co-chair.
Thank
you.
D
G
G
Q
G
And
I
don't
think
we
need
to
reward
bad
behavior.
That's
exactly
what
we
do.
I,
don't
know
how
else
to
send
the
message
back
to
California
that
this
is
not
acceptable
and
since
they
have
set
this
Preston,
what
other
legislation
will
we
pass
in
the
future
that
they
may
not
like
that
they'll?
Take
additional
actions
against
our
state.
I
think
this
can
be
very
easily
resolved.
If
Governors
will
speak
to
Governors
and
say
this
is
not
appropriate.
So
again,
my
vote
is
no.
A
A
The
next
item
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
is
item
number
39
on
a
PSC,
amended
Ivory
list
and
I
believe
co-chair.
Meredith
has
some
questions
on
that.
N
H
G
Mayor,
thank
you
for
being
here.
We've
seen
this
contract
two
three
years
now,
yeah
a
huge
one.
41
million
I'd
certainly
understand
it,
but
I'm
just
curious
as
we
want
actions
are
being
taken
to
lessen
our
Reliance
upon
Contract
Services
for
these
various
entities,
because
we
know
we're
paying
this
labor
at
a
very
premium
rate.
G
We
had
the
same
discussion
at
a
task
force
meeting
with
a
cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
related
to
the
issue
of
not
having
enough
inspectors
to
do
surveys
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
surveys
and
nursing
homes,
and
they
talked
about
what
actions
they're
taking
to
rectify
that
so
I
want
to
know
is,
is
does
anyone
view
this
as
a
concern?
Is
there
a
plan
of
action
to
reduce
or
Reliance
upon
Contract
Services?
What
are
we
doing
to
actively
recruit
Personnel
to
fill
these
slots,
because
this
is
a
very
expensive
proposition
for
us.
R
R
G
Well,
I
guess:
Mr
chair
what
I'm
looking
at
I'm,
not
sure
these
folks
are
the
ones
that
answer
the
question
Dave,
but
why
our
personal
cabinet
isn't
more
aggressive
in
the
recruiting
efforts
and
they
may
be
I
just
not
aware
of
them.
I
don't
hear
about
it.
But
again
this
contract's
been
around
for
some
time
and
it's
very
expensive
and
I
know
we're
competing
with
every
other
health
care
provider
in
the
world
for
the
same
talent
pool.
But
I
would
hope
we
have
some
kind
of
plan
in
place
to
aggressively
Rectify
this
and.
R
G
G
A
D
A
Contract
moves
forward.
Thank
you.
The
next
items
on
the
poll
lists
are
with
Western
Kentucky
University
and
our
and
our
items
number
51,
52
and
53
on
the
routine
PSC
green
list.
If
the
representatives
are
here,
please
come
forward
and
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
S
A
Right
great.
G
A
Okay,
do
you
wanna,
let's
go
ahead
and
do
these
separate
since
we'll
take
them
one
at
a
time?
So
if
there's
no
other
questions
or
comments
on
number
51
do
I
have
a
motion
for
approval
for
the
contract
without
objection.
G
330
million
people
in
this
country
only
person
who
can
feel
this
road
with
someone
from
California
is
that
correct.
S
Yes,
so
this
individual
I
have
a
professional
working
relationship
with
for
the
past
20
years.
He
actually
works
for
Ohio
University
in
Athens
Ohio
in
Appalachian
Ohio,
but
is
located
physically
in
California.
But
I've
worked
with
him
at
Indiana,
University
and
Ohio
University,
both
on
c
for
accreditation
processes
of
which
we
had
successful
outcomes,
and
we
lost
our
most
senior
mph
faculty
member
retired,
suddenly
in
August
and
we're
going
through
our
accreditation
this
year,
and
so
she
had
the
most
experience
of
our
team.
S
S
A
I
M
Mr
chair
the
motion
is
for
disapproval
right.
Correct
Mr
I'd
like
to
explain
my
no
vote.
M
Ahead,
Miss
Baston
where's,
Miss
bastard.
Is
she
still
on
the
screen?
I
am
yes,
Miss
bastard,
you
understand
it's
not
a
good
look
when
you
testify
before
us
that
you
want
to
give
a
contract
to
a
friend,
because
you
know
him.
That's
just
not
a
good
look.
We're
talking
about
State
funds.
However,.
M
It's
still
not
a
good
look:
Miss
bastard,
no
one's
saying
it's,
not
professional
I'm,
not
insinuating
that
at
all
I'm,
just
saying
it
looks
like
you're
helping
a
friend
out
here.
However,
I
do
vote
no
and
I'm
willing
to
allow
the
contract
to
go
forward
because
I'm
I'm,
very
pro-hire
education,
as
I
indicated
earlier,
I
I
truly
support
significantly.
All
our
higher
education
institutions
and
I
understand
how
important
accreditation
is,
and
we
certainly
want
a
credit
Western
be
accredited.
T
D
A
And
and
president
on
and
president
Westerfield,
yes
excuse
me,
let
me
restate
that
so
I'm
contract
has
been
disapproved.
It
will
move
forward
to
the
final
Finance
cabinet
and
the
president
of
Western
Kentucky
University.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
appearing
today.
The
next
contract
on
the
list
is
item
number
52
and
Senator
marath
I
think
you
have
some
questions.
G
I,
do
it's
one
of
those
that's
hourly
rate
you
can
see
it's
our
State
amount
and
looking
at
the
letter
of
explanation,
what
caught
my
attention
was.
First,
this
firm
does
a
lot
of
business
with
the
Commonwealth
and
they
get
a
lot
of
contracts
for
legal
services
and,
more
often
than
not,
they
are
above
the
hourly
rate.
G
But
in
the
letter
of
explanation
it
says
that
Dinsmore
represents
University
of
Louisville
in
the
same
or
substantially
similar
litigation.
G
They
also
represent
Eastern
Kentucky
University
in
Northern
Kentucky
University
in
Murray,
to
address
a
specific
issue
in
the
issue
being
that
it's
like
it's
a
defense
of
a
class
action
lawsuit
dealing
with
covid
in
student,
not
thinking
they
got
their
fair
share
of
education
for
the
dollars
expended.
G
So
I
guess
the
question
I
have
is:
if
this
is
a
class
action
in
Western's
joining
all
these
other
universities
is
shouldn't.
There
be
some
economy.
A
scale
involved
with
this
litigation.
I
would
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
commonality
there
so
that
the
mere
fact
that
they're
joining
universities
who
are
already
engaged
in
this
litigation,
a
lot
of
the
groundwork
has
been
done.
G
Does
that
really
necessitate
a
rate?
That's
above
the
state
average
I
think
there
should
be
some
press
concession
here.
Did
anyone
ask
for
any
price
concession.
H
Q
Yes,
Andrea
Anderson
General
Counsel
at
Western,
Kentucky
University.
The
reason
that
the
university
selected
Dinsmore
is
because
we
were
able
to
negotiate
the
rate
to
200
an
hour.
Their
rate
is
normally
in
excess
of
300
dollars
an
hour,
so
they
are
providing
benefit
to
the
university
through
fiscal,
but
representing
multiple
entities
are
able
to
give
us
a
better
price
per
hour.
Q
Q
G
You
know
the
issue
in
hand
is
that
the
students,
alleged
and
I
would
benefit
other
tuition
and
fees
for
the
spring
of
2020,
because
we
shifted
to
remote
learning
because
of
covid
and
Senator
Thomas
you'll
have
to
help
me
out
here
since
you're.
An
attorney
is:
are
we
dealing
with
the
contractual
law
here.
M
We
are,
it
is
a.
There-
are
contractual
claims
here
Senator.
He
actually
absolutely
right
about
that,
but
again
in
full
transparency
and
and
to
be
straightforward
with
you,
as
my
colleague
I,
do
support,
universities
and
defendants.
Litigation.
I
know
UK,
it's
the
main
defendant
and
they
are
fighting
this
litigation.
I
support,
UK
and
their
defense
on
this.
So
so
I
I
am
I
am
going
to
vote
for
this
contract.
M
It
is
a
Kentucky,
Law,
Firm,
I'm,
very
familiar
with
with
attorneys
that
work
with
Dinsmore
and
show
they're
an
excellent,
firm
and
so
I'm
going
to
support
this
contract.
That's
that's
my
opinion.
G
I
appreciate
the
opinion,
but
the
point
I
was
trying
to
make
it.
This
is
contract
law.
You
know
we've
heard
repeatedly
in
this
committee
meeting
and
once
before
this
that
there's
these
niches,
no
one
has
that
warrants
a
higher
rate
of
legal
fees.
G
This
looks
to
be
pretty
bread
and
butter
sort
of
stuff,
and
should
there
be
an
RFP,
does
it
open
up
to
other
firms
that
historically
don't
get
to
do
business
with
the
state
of
Kentucky?
Because
again
we
do
a
lot
of
this
at
this
particular
firm
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
true
value
for
the
dollars
that
are
expended,
but
instead.
M
Of
Earth
I
understand
you're
concerned,
but
again,
I
I
know
Dinsmore
in
show
they
are
excellent.
Law
firm
and,
and
the
general
counsel
is
correct-
that
their
hourly
rate,
she
said
over
300,
there's
more
shows
hourly
rate
is
400
an
hour
and
to
get
them
to
provide
services
for
us
for
half
of
that
amount.
I
think
it's
a
good
deal
for
the
University
and
and
and
again
it's
litigation
that
our
economy
is
a
scale
because
they're
representing
other
universities
in
the
same
class
action.
So
that's
just
my
opinion.
M
G
We're
in
this
particular
area
always
refer
to
your
judgment,
but
it
always
concerns
me
when
there
is
no
RFP.
You
know
just
in
theory,
if
there
was
an
RFP
in
XYZ,
Law
Firm
says
I'll.
Do
it
for
175
an
hour?
Doesn't
that
give
the
University's
latitude
to
go
back
to
Densmore
and
say
hey,
we
have
a
bid
for
175.
M
Point
no
I
understand
that
and,
as
you
know,
I
just
voted
against
the
the
well
I
did
vote
for
Western
to
have
that
contract.
But
again
I
was
Disturbed
that
you
had
a
a
contract
being
let
out
without
an
RFP
to
a
friend
to
a
friend
of
someone
I
I,
I,
I,
I
I,
understand
your
concerning
your
concerned.
It's
Justified.
Let
me
be
clear,
I
think
your
concern
is
Justified.
J
A
A
Motion
by
culture
Meredith
second,
by
Senator,
Thomas,
all
those
in
favor
vote
aye.
All
those
involved
polls
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
route.
I
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
that
no
one
is
questioning
the
competency
of
of
this
legal
firm,
no
one
that
I've
heard
up
here.
So
that's,
that's,
that's
not
an
issue
and
in
fact
no
one
is
questioning
whether
the
members
of
this
committee
support
higher
education
and
no
one
is
questioning
the
level
at
which
we
wish
to
support
higher
education.
Any
any
inferences
to
that
should
be
dispelled.
I
I.
Think
I
think
it
is.
It
is
the
responsibility
of
this
committee
to
put
the
concerns
and
the
needs
of
the
public
ahead
of
any
of
the
institutions,
whether
that
is
in
the
higher
education
level
or
any
other
education
space
we
are
here
about.
We
are
here
about
our
our
public
here
at
Commonwealth.
The
one
thing
I
really
do
want
to
see
in
the
future
are
rfps.
That's
the
way
business
is
done
and
that's
the
way
we
should
do
business.
I
D
J
A
G
U
Greetings
can
I
take
the
floor
and
try
to
provide
some
context.
Please.
U
U
It
so
the
main
thing
is
I'm
here
with
a
couple
of
my
colleagues
we're
social
scientists
and
we
need
a
tech
partner.
The
reason
that
there
are
three
iterations
of
this
versus
one
is
that
we
have
applied
for
and
uniquely
we're
the
first
team
from
Western
Kentucky
University
very
excited
about
this
to
get
a
kinetic
product
development
Grant,
and
that's
something
that
happens
every
six
months.
So
we
have
to
keep
coming
back
in
competitive,
competitively,
seek
approval
and
funding
every
six
months.
But
the
good
news
is
the
product
is
excellent.
U
We're
doing
well-
and
this
is
the
last
round
of
funding
that
we
will
need-
and
if
we
don't
achieve
this
last
round
of
funding
in
December
effectively
the
product's
not
going
to
make
it,
but
we're
at
a
place
right
now
where
this
is
the
last
amount
of
funding
that
we're
going
to
need
to
solicit
I
do
have
some
information
about
which
I'll
have
potentially
heard
before,
as
we've
been
here
before
about
Kentucky
agencies
and
firms
that
we
have
solicited
and
worked
with
and
assessed
that
weren't
necessarily
able
to
be
up
to
Industry
standard.
U
G
U
Absolutely
so
this
big
picture,
it
is
a
virtual
reality,
training
system
designed
to
assist
child
welfare
workers
of
which
of
which
I
worked
in
child
welfare
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
for
several
years,
in
reducing
implicit
bias
when
working
with
families
and
children.
So
a
lot
of
proprietary
stuff,
but
we
have
created
three
unique
Innovative
scenarios,
and
this
is
designed
to
create
a
fourth
scenario,
so
big
picture
without
getting
into
a
lot
of
specifics.
U
This
provides
an
Avenue
for
individuals
that
are
involved
with
this
VR
platform
to
engage
with
diverse
and
you
know,
diverse
families,
so
they
can
have
a
unique
experience
of
in
a
way
that
they
might
not
otherwise,
before
or
while
during
you
know,
they're
involved
with
the
state
in
a
way
that
would
be
in
legislative
or
effectively
practice
in
a
statutory
capacity.
So
we
want
to
create
one
more
scenario
and
we
want
to
refine
and
really
improve
the
user
experience.
U
So
this
is
ready
to
have
a
minimally
viable
product
by
December,
so
we're
ready
to
launch,
and
there
really
is
a
race
to
Market.
This
is
a
really
important
thing
when
you
talking
about
the
implications
of
implicit
bias
on
behalf
of
families
and
children.
No
doubt
something
that
has
been
readily
apparent
to
all
of
us,
working
in
child
welfare
in
Kentucky
and
certainly
beyond
for
many
years.
U
The
audience
for
this
is
certainly
child
welfare
agencies,
not
only
in
Kentucky
which
I've
personally
talked
to
for
many
years.
There's
a
gap.
This
is
part
of
their
protocol
and
their
design
and
their
pillars
on
behalf
of
improving
response
to
and
improving
training
for,
recognizing
understanding,
implicit
biases,
but
also
around
the
country.
I've
talked
with
Commissioners
in
D.C
Commissioners
from
Oregon
Commissioners
from
other
states
in
Texas.
U
This
is
really
a
place
where
individuals
are
working
to
better
train
and
improve
their
child
welfare
practitioners
on
not
only
just
starting
with
a
better
awareness
right,
so
implicit
bias
is
really
having
a
better
awareness
to
be
able
able
to
objectively
realize
I
guess
the
best
way
I
can
put
it
is
when
I
was
a
Frontline
child
welfare
worker.
There's
a
lot
of
stress
and
pressure,
and
it's
really
about
is
this
poverty?
Or
is
this
child
abuse?
For
example?
U
G
U
So
a
couple
of
good
points
there
implicit
bias
training
might
not
be
effective
because
it
might
not
be
immersive.
There's
nothing
like
this
on
the
market,
and
this
is
very
unique
and
novel,
and
that's
why
we're
working
innovatively
with
a
tech
partner
that
can
assist
us
moving
forward?
Is
it
mandatory
I'm,
not
a
legislative
person
that
is
going
to
be
designing,
mandates
I'm
a
former
Child
Welfare
worker?
That
knows
from
me
from
the
front
lines
from
being
involved
with
people's
houses
and
working
to
try
to
engage
with
individuals
and
families.
U
I
needed
assistance,
I
needed
help
and
it
was
very
difficult
to
engage
families
and
children
when
I
felt
like
I,
wasn't
I
wasn't
prepared,
and
so
the
question
about
is
it
going
to
be
mandated?
I
could
never
answer
that,
but
I
will
say
that
I'm
dedicated
to
improving
the
lives
of
families
and
children.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
do.
G
U
There
are,
there
is
plenty
of
data
that
shows
that
child
welfare
workers
and
agencies
are
showing
that
they
need
their
their
workers
and
other
individuals
are
calling
for
a
need
for
implicit
bias.
Training
to
say
that
I
can
out
here
posit
that
this
training
is
effective,
yet
we're
building
the
product.
We
have
a
plan
in
place
on
how
we're
going
to
evaluate
it
and
that's
exactly
what
we
intend
to
do
so.
I
could
never
say
that
this
a
product
is
effective,
yet
because
it's
not
even
in
full
design.
Yet.
U
We
are
working
on
a
multi-faceted
evaluation
process.
It's
going
to
have
subjective
and
objective
measures,
we're
working
with
our
team
right
now
to
create
not
only
instrument
design
but
also
self-reflective
design
and
also
I've
worked
with
child
welfare
workers
in
Kentucky
and
I'm,
particularly
interested.
To
be
honest
with
you
about
biometric
feedback
about.
J
U
That
are
working
with
medical
professionals
that
looking
at
kind
of
the
physiological
measures
involved
with
working
with
new
families
and
clients
when
you're
the
the
sensory
involvement,
really
Advanced,
Next,
Level,
stuff
and
I-
think
that's
kind
of
the
next
phase
too.
So
not
only
subjective
but
objective
and
also
including
physiological
measures,
and
when
you
get
involved
with
families-
and
you
maybe
are
in
the
middle
of
making
decisions
when
time
is
tight
and
you're
very
nervous.
But
again
there
are
a
lot
of
different
avenues
that
we're
taking
we're
diligently
working
on
this
right
now,.
G
L
We
all
have
our
differences.
Thank
you
Kimberly.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead,
Senator.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
questions
this
grant
in
particular,
is
for
commercialization.
L
We're
talking
about
issues
of
economic
and
social
factors
which
we
all
as
a
Frontline
worker,
as
a
therapist
I,
always
tell
my
students
that,
for
example,
when
I,
because
where
I
was
born
and
I
come
into
the
classroom
to
teach
them
I
I
have
to
be
conscious
of
something
that
I
may
not
think
about
example.
How
I
was
grading
back
from
Africa
I
cannot
bring
that
in
here,
but
that
awareness
is
important.
L
Now
this
gave
the
students
an
opportunity,
all
the
trainers,
whoever
is
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
assess
and
evaluate
and
become
aware
so
that
they
can
be
effective
and
fortunately,
NIH
has
has
approved
this
funding
for
us
because
they
see
the
light
in
this
and
it's
going
to
be
applied.
It's
a
product
I
want
to
mention
that
and
the
purpose
is
to
commercialize
it.
L
V
Hi,
if
I'm
hey,
my
name
is
Dr
Kimberly
green
I
am
the
department
chair
for
communication
sciences
and
disorders
at
Western,
Kentucky
University
I
do
want
to
also
emphasize
that
this
is
the
last
iteration
of
the
Kentucky
commercialization
grant
that
we
have
applied
for
and
have
been
approved
for
through
NIH
and
state
and
in
Kentucky,
so
not
being
able
to
receive.
This
funding
will
put
us
in
a
position
where
we're
not
ready
to
move
the
product
to
a
vial
to
viability
and
that
would
kind
of
almost
negate.
V
You
know
the
funds
that
we've
received
thus
far
in
having
to
seek
it
elsewhere.
We
have
used
this
company
for
the
last
three
iterations
of
our
product
development,
and
one
of
the
reasons
is
because
we
actually
initially
began
with
a
kentucky-based
WKU,
actually
based
entity
Unfortunately.
They
were
not
able
to
execute
and
provide
the
deliverable
tools
we
needed
in
the
very
compressed
time
frame.
As
my
colleagues
mentioned,
we
have
a
six
month
turnaround
between
each
of
the
grants,
so
it's
a
really
unique
type
of
funding
source.
We
have
it's,
not
a
long-term
grant
funding
source.
V
V
We
did
talk
with
other
companies
across
the
state
of
Kentucky,
including
in
Somerset
University
of
Kentucky
and
other
entities,
and
unfortunately,
they
were
not
able
to
provide
us
with
the
deliverables
we
needed
to
be
met
under
the
criteria
of
the
grants
we
received
and
the
quality
of
the
of
the
technology
we
needed,
and
they
expressed
that
themselves
and
what
they
were
able
to
deliver
was
significantly
more
expensive
than
what
we
had
the
opportunity
to
connect
with
with
our
colleagues
in
California.
We
did
not
know
them
in
advance
of
of
of
working
with
them.
V
In
fact,
they
want
one
of
the
ways
we
found
the
way
we
found
them
was
through
our
work
with
the
Kentucky
commercializations
Ventures.
We
work
extremely
closely
and
have
since
the
Inception
of
this
of
this
project,
with
Kentucky
commercialization
Ventures
and
also
work
quite
closely
with
our
colleagues
and
mentors
at
the
University
of
Kentucky
and
the
University
of
Louisville,
for
commercialization
and
and
with
Partners
in
partnership
with
them.
G
L
Right
now,
the
product
name
as
we
have
it
is
a
virtual
reality,
training
system
that
explore
unconscious
biases
in
from
child
welfare
workers
and
that's
what
what
we
are.
So
we
are
now
entering
into
the
national
eye
Corp
project
and
that's
going
to
Avail
us
to
be
able
to
look
for
funding
when
we
succeed
for
a
small
business
business
research
funding
right
to
set
up.
L
Hopefully,
if
we
get
that
funding,
we
will
go
through
the
phases
in
spending
of
this
into
businesses,
as
other
products
are
wasting
can
take
like
Bingo
size
has
done
those,
so
we
have
some
mentors
and
they
are
providing.
L
We
have
industrial
leaders
through
UK
and
Louisville
who
are
providing
mentorship
every
meet
every
week,
and
we
talk
about
how
to
because
our
work,
as
my
colleague
said,
is
to
teach
and
do
research,
but
this
is
a
whole
different
process
where
we
have
industrial
mentors
that
are
keenly
involved
in
this
from
inh
Tech
NIH
from
NSF
National,
Science
Foundation
from
UK
USL
program
and
then
launch
it
UK
uofl
program
as
well.
So
it's
been
a
heavy
load
with
our
workload
still
intact.
L
We
still
required
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
at
the
University
level,
but
we
are
committed
in
bringing
Innovation
to
our
state
and
that's
why
we
are
here
today.
G
Well,
thank
you,
but
I
understand
the
complexity
of
the
process
and
understand
we're
under
a
timeline
now
to
get
this
completed.
But
again,
when
it's
complete,
we
will
have
a
product
that
Western
Kentucky
University
will
sell
as
an
implicit
bias,
training
module
service
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
tomatoes
and
Mannings,
but
that's
the
intent.
G
Well,
unfortunately,
from
a
personal
opinion:
here
it's
a
flawed
product
and
one
that
I
don't
think
there
will
be
a
long-term
market
for
but
I
guess
that's
a
different
discussion
for
a
different
day
but
Mr
chair.
That's
all
I
have
Senator.
H
M
I'm
sure
it
comes
as
a
surprise
to
no
one
that
that
I
come
from
this
from
a
particularly
different
Viewpoint
I
would
say
that
having
grown
up
in
America
and
having
you
know,
lived
in
numerous
regions
across
this
country
and
been
educated
in
numerous
areas
across
this
country.
It's
certainly
been
my
opinion.
M
Senator
Meredith,
that
implicit
bias
is
rooted
in
American
society
and
exists
to
this
present
day,
and
all
one
has
to
do
is
go
around
and
look
at
institutions
across
this
country,
and
you
and
you'll
see
you
you'll,
see
it
very
evident
here
in
America
that
implicit
bias
does
exist.
So
so
so
we
will
have
different
viewpoints
on
that
particular
issue.
I
will
say
this
Mr
Griffin
and
Dr
Green.
M
My
concern
is
different
from
that
of
Senator
Meredith,
and
that
is
we're
talking
about
a
contract
for
implicit
bias,
training
and
I
was
sitting
here.
Thinking
as
I
was
listening
to
Senator
Meredith
and
thinking
about
the
contract
that
that
I
can
easily
think
of
and
I'm
sure,
representative
Chester
Burton
can
say
the
same
thing:
four
or
five
six
different
firms
in
in
the
Lexington
area,
Metro
Lexus
area
in
Louisville's.
Well
that
could
easily
and
would
easily
greatly
appreciate
a
38
372
contract
provided
implicit
bias.
M
Training
to
Western
I
mean
this
is
this
is
a
this
is
a
area
of
of
a
study
that
that
can
that
many
Kentucky
firms,
social
science
firms
psychologists,
can
provide
now
so
I
I
I'm
amazed
that
you
would
go
to
California
to
to
get
to
get
someone
to
do
implicit
bias,
training
when
they're
again
dozens
are
here
in
Kentucky
who
could
do
that
same
type
of
training?
Please
explain
that
to
me.
V
Yes,
Dr
Green
I
want
to
hear
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
want
to
be
very
specific
in
saying
that
this
company
in
California
launch
box,
that's
the
name
of
the
company.
They
are
not
providing
the
implicit
bias
training.
That's
our
expert
areas
of
expertise.
We
are
providing
the
training,
they
are
simply
taking
our
information
and
designing
the
technology
using
virtual
reality,
a
virtual
reality
platform
virtual
reality
software.
V
We
use
meta,
Oculus
goggles
for
the
user
experience,
they
are
simply
taking
the
technology,
so
they
that
they
in
in
and
of
themselves,
are
not
implicit
by
bias
experts
or
unconscious
bias
experts.
That's
our
wheelhouse
as
social
scientists.
However,
they
are
technology
experts.
They
are.
They
develop
a
virtual
reality
platforms
for
other
companies
across
the
country
as
well
they're,
a
small
startup
themselves.
V
I
I
I
These
things
are
ingrained
from
youth,
I
would
love
for
us.
I
mean
we've
already
put
the
money
in
this
far
so
I'm
not
I'm,
not
even
going
to
go
down
that
road,
but
but
we're
trying
to
get
everything
on
the
back
end
and
I
would
like
to
see
us
as
a
society,
not
just
as
a
legislature
but
as
a
society,
put
more
focus
on
the
front
end
and
put
more
focus
on
those
who
are
creating
it
like
Senator,
Thomas
I,
get
it
I,
get
it
I'm.
The
14th
of
16.
I
I
J
A
I
M
D
D
A
Contract
moves
forward
without
objection.
Thank
you
all
for
appearing.
A
A
Okay,
I
have
just
two
quick
questions
in
one
part
of
the
information
submitted
it.
It
says
we
are
increasing
the
design
contract
for
a
super
Street
in
Knox
County,
at
a
cost
of
1.274
million,
and
in
another
section
that
says
we
are
spending
money
in
Boone
County.
Given
the
distance
of
like
175
miles
between
the
two,
can
you
maybe
clarify?
Is
it
I'm,
assuming
it's
not
both
counties.
W
Correct
that
I
apologize,
that
was
a
typo
on
behalf
of
my
Administrative
Assistant,
but
you're
correct.
It
is
in
Boone
County,
not
in
Knox
County,
okay,.
A
And
the
design
cost
is,
is
the
1.274
million
What's,
the
total
project
cost
and
the
projective
timeline
for.
H
A
W
Foreign
looks
like
the
the
total.
The
initial
contracts
was
for
600,
000
and
change.
The
modification
was
for
1.1
million,
so
you're.
Looking
at
the
total
there,
the
1.7
million
and.
A
W
Apologize
I
didn't
introduce
Amanda
Desmond.
O
W
Is
our
location
engineer
out
of
our
Highway
design
office
she's,
helping
on
more
project
details?
Amanda,
do
you
know
the
the
timeline
of
the
the
final
design
and
construction
that.
T
One
that
one's
a
little
tough,
because
we
have
just
now
secured
the
our
environmental
document
and
that's
what
we
were
waiting
on
before
we
were
able
to
initiate
this
contract,
and
so
now
that
we
have
that
we
can
go
into
the
right-of-way
phase
and
the
utility
phase.
So
those
could
actually
take
a
couple
years.
T
According
to
the
old
six-year
plan,
I
was
gonna,
pull
that
up
real
quick
I
do
believe
it
had
2024,
which
is
unrealistic
on
that
timeline,
so
it'll
be
updated
with
our
new
six-year
plan
that
is
scheduled
to
be
out
next
April.
A
Okay,
and
could
you
could
you
define
not
only
for
me,
but
maybe
for
some
of
the
other
members
Define?
What
a
super
street
is?
Okay,.
T
A
super
Street,
You,
probably
would
think,
like
you
know,
huge
amounts
of
planes,
but
what
we're
actually
thinking
was
super
street
is
actually
not
adding
Lanes
but
actually
making
it
better
and
removing
some
of
the
signals
and
making
it
more
effective
intersections.
T
So
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
traveled
down
in
Florida,
they
have
a
lot
of
restricted
right
turn
lanes,
and
so
those
are
basically
where
they
take
out
the
signal
and
you
take
a
right
at
an
intersection
and
then
you
take
a
left
and
make
a
U-turn.
So
it's
actually
where
you're,
not
stopping
traffic
all
the
time,
and
so
you're
increasing
movement
and
from
increasing
capacity
without
adding
additional
pavement.
And
so
that's
what
we're
doing
on
the
3.6
mile
Corridor
that
we're
talking
about
here.
C
I,
you
indicated
that
that
the
this
Project's
been
delayed,
because
possibly
some
environmental
documents
are
those
Federal
documents.
I
mean
I
am
for
me
personally.
I
am
so
sick
of
and
tired
of
hearing
about
environmental
things
that
are
causing
all
these
delays
and
if
it's
anything
that
has
to
do
with
the
state
of
Kentucky,
we've
got
to
start
addressing
these
some
of
these
unnecessary.
What
I
would
consider
unnecessary
environmental
studies.
T
Yeah,
so
this
project
was
initiated
with
State
dollars,
but
with
the
increasing
amounts,
the
federal
dollars
being
able
to
be
grad
by
Kentucky
and
and
use
it
as
much.
A
A
Motion
power,
representative
McCool
second
by
Senator,
Douglas,
all
those
in
favor
of
old
eye.
All
those
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
D
G
A
A
The
final
item
on
the
pool
list
is
with
the
Kentucky
community
college
system
and
is
item
number
38
on
the
PSC
Amendment
Ivory
list.
Kctcs
has
requested
the
third,
a
deferral
due
to
their
expert
on
the
contract
being
out
of
the
country.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
defer
the
contact
review
without
objection.
I
A
D
A
Our
deferral
contract
is
deferred
before
German
I
just
want
to
announce
our
October.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
October.
The
10th
9
A.M
in
this
room
and.
A
Can
come
back,
I
think
Senator
Thomas
is
going
to
fall
apart
over
he's
laughing
to
her.
Is
there
any
other
comments
I
by
anybody
on
the
committee?
If
not
I
have
a
motion
by
Senator
Boswell
to
adjourn.
Do
I
have
a
second
all
right,
all
those
some
favors
say
all
those
opposed
say.
No
all
right.
We
are
adjourned.