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Second,
all
in
favor
say
aye
any
opposed
our
minutes
pass
now
we'll
begin
with
our
presentations
and
first
we
have
from
the
Kentucky
public
pension,
Authority,
David,
eager
who's,
our
executive
director
and
please
come
to
the
table
and
introduce
yourself.
C
I'm
David
eager
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
Kentucky
public
pensions,
Authority
and
I
I'm,
glad
and
thankful
to
be
here
today
to
explain
the
impact
of
some
potential
additional
funding.
I
want
to
remind
you
of
several
things.
If
you
started
in
2013
with
the
passage
of
house
bill
to
our
Senate
Bill
2,
rather,
we've
been
making
a
lot
of
progress
and
I
say
we
as
it's
mostly
the
legislative
action,
and
we
greatly
appreciate.
What's
happened.
C
C
it
it
substantially
increased
contributions
across
the
board
for
all
systems,
but
it
the
systems
desperately
needed
more
more
funding.
And
then
in
2021
we
passed
house
bill,
8.,
House,
Bill,
8
relieved
us
of
the
problem
that
we
were
having,
and
that
was
we
were
funding.
The
the
K-9
has
with
a
percent
of
payroll
and
the
payroll
was
going
down
and
the
payroll
went
down
because
employers
were
cutting
back
and
were
Outsourcing,
but
as
the
payroll
went
down,
the
contribution
rate
went
up,
caused
more
people
to
get
out
it
was.
C
It
was
a
spiral
and
hospital,
they
took
care
of
that
and
it's
been,
we
can
see
the
benefits
of
it,
but
thank
you
for
the
all
that
I
think
the
last
would
I
would
mention
was.
Was
the
supplemental
funding
we
got
in
in
the
hospital?
One
this
past
session,
we
got
an
additional
135
million
each
year
and
we
got
200
best
cane
on
hands.
We
gotta,
we
got
an
additional
appropriation
of
215
million
into
the
state
police.
C
You'll,
see
the
impact
of
that
in
a
minute
and
then
Hospital
604
right
at
the
end
of
the
session,
gave
us
another
105
million
each
of
the
next
two
years.
So
supplemental
funding
is
something
brand
new.
It
comes
from
you
all
and
it's
desperately
needed
and
much
appreciated.
So
let
me
let
me
go
on
with
my
presentation.
C
Paging
isn't
working?
Okay,
all
righty
got
it
thanks
spring
I'm
going
to
look
at
four
scenarios
today,
two
of
them
that
have
been
presented
to
the
ppob
in
the
past
and
it
the
question
came
up.
What
would
the
impact
be
of
additional
funding
into
the
canine
has
and
into
the
state
police?
So
we
used
a
hundred
million
dollars
as
an
arbitrary
number,
because
you
could
gear
up
or
gear
down
off
that
number
and
and
so
I'm
going
to
show
you
what
the
impact
of
that
is.
C
First
scenario:
number
one:
this
is
the
K9.
Has
the
2021
valuation
put
the
unfunded
liability
at
16.8
percent
assets
are
16
billion
liability,
16
billion
321,
the
assets
are
2
billion.
736.
C
I
can
look
at
my
own
sheet
here,
because
I
can't
see
it
on
the
screen,
an
additional
100
million
dollars.
What
would
it
do?
Well?
Because
the
because
the
liability
is
so
enormous,
we're
just
slowly
chipping
away
at
that
and
you'll
see
in
the
right
column
what
it
does.
It
would
increase
the
funded
status
from
16
8
to
17
4..
C
It
would
reduce
the
annual
cost
by
nine
million
dollars
and
the
normal
cost
would
stay
at
9.97
so
because
we
have
a
16
plus
billion
dollar
liability
and
only
a
little
less
than
three
billion
in
assets.
Any
additional
assets
help
greatly
in
The
Graduate
they
needed,
but
the
impact
is
relatively
modest,
but
let's
go
to
State
Police.
C
State
Police
in
in
the
June
30
2021
valuation,
the
funded
status
was
30.7
percent.
In
other
words,
what
it
says
is
if
the
we
stop
the
plan
today
and
we
paid
everybody
what
they
were
due
that
had
been
promised
and
has
been
earned.
Today
we
have
30
cents
on
the
dollar
to
make
that
payment.
So
that's
we
don't
have
to
stop
the
plan
today,
fortunately
they're
ongoing,
but
it
really
so
shows
the
severity
in
the
state
police,
because
the
the
Assets
in
liability
are
so
small
pull
it
up.
C
C
C
The
Objective
was
to
get
the
funded
the
annual
contribution
less
than
100
percent
of
pay,
and
the
answer
to
that
question
was
215
million,
and
that
was
what
the
appropriation
was
and
if
you
look
at
the
bottom
of
that
first
2001
valuation
column,
you
see
the
number
99.43
that's.
That
is
what
the
impact
of
that
250
million.
Does
it
reduced
the
time
to
be
contribution
rates
from
about
140
percent
down
to
99.43
it
also?
If
we
could
get
an
additional
100
million
in
scenario,
number
two,
the
funded
status
would
increase
to
60.6
percent.
C
It
would
be
the
best
funded
ironically,
the
best
funded
pension
fund
of
all
the
five
that
we
have
so
funded
status
would
go
to
60.6.
The
contribution
rate
would
decline
by
eight
eight
tenths
and
again
this
is
people
call
it
the
Dave
Ramsey
principle:
it's
what's
attacked
the
smallest
debt.
We
have
that
we
can
deal
with
and
get
off
the
books.
C
C
If
we
got
a
continuing
appropriation
and
we're
effectively
going
to
benefit
by
the
by
compounding
and
I
will
to
give
you
some
perspective
on
that,
if
you
put
two,
if
you
put
200
million
again
an
arbitrary
number,
which
you
put
200
million
in
in
2024-
and
it
earned
the
Actuarial
assumption,
which
is
5.25
percent
over
the
over
the
up
until
year
2040,
we
did
that
every
year
in
2041,
the
the
assets
would
be
for
that
200
million
would
be
worth
477
million.
C
We're
also
going
to
look
at
saying
all
right
what
if
we
put
200
million
each
and
every
year
up
until
year,
2040.-
and
the
answer
is
we
that
that
accumulation
would
be
5
billion,
419
million
dollars.
So
if,
in
fact,
we
could
do,
200
million
get
200
million
every
year
and
the
canine
has
we'd
have
an
additional
5.4
billion
in
the
in
the
year
when
it,
in
effect,
it
becomes
fully
funded
and
I'll.
Show
you
the
numbers.
C
So
scenario,
three
and
four:
these
are
the
last
two
they're
along
the
lines
of
that
200
million
dollars.
We
talked
about
first
one.
We
would
call
stable
contributions,
we're
going
to
keep
the
contribution
rate
at
what
it
would
have
been
without
the
200
million,
but
we're
going
to
have
the
200
million
on
top
of
it,
and
it's
going
to
stay
constant
until
the
liability
is
paid
off.
C
Think
of
this
as
being
a
house
mortgage
and
you're
going
to
make
additional
monthly
payments
on
top
of
your
regular
mortgage
and
with
the
goal
of
paying
it
off
sooner
so
we're
going
to
keep
applying
the
original
amount
to
the
liability
and
we're
going
to
add
another
200
million
dollar
payment
to
that
liability
and
I'll
show
you
how
fast
we
get
out
of
it.
The
second
one
says
scenario,
four
says
we'll
take
the
200
million,
but
what
we
were
paying
originally
will
start
to
reduce,
based
on
the
benefit
that
200
million
is
taking.
C
If
you
think
of
it
in
a
mortgage
sense,
it
would
almost
be
like
a
a
parent
saying,
I'm
going
to
give
you
some
extra
money
to
pay
for
your
mortgage
and,
to
the
extent
it
drives,
the
mortgage
cost
down,
take
advantage
of
it.
So
the
the
contribution
rate
will
keep
going
down,
but
the
200
million
is
on
top
of
everything.
C
So
here
we
are,
let
me
explain
the
lay
out
here:
unfunded
liability,
Pension
Plan,
only
current
plan
that
First
Column
there's-
that
is
the
unfunded
liability
today
and
being
paid
down
over
a
period
of
time
and
you'll,
see
in
instead
of
in
2049
and
2042.
It's
exhausted,
that's
that's
the
benefit.
Otherwise
we
would
have
had
5.5
billion
dollar
unfunded
liability
in
2042,
not
getting
it
paid
down
until
2049..
C
So
this
says
we're
cutting
years
off
the
payment,
we're
going
to
keep
making
the
same
amount
of
payment
and
if
you
look
at
the
middle
two
columns,
there's
what
the
current
plan
and
the
additional
funding
funded
status
goes
so
initially
in
2042
we'd
still
be
at
57
percent
and
it's
paid
off
in
2049.
It
operates
very
much
like
a
mortgage
and
it
is
in
the
last
few
years
it's
almost
all
principal
and
very
little
interest.
C
So
the
last
the
last
year
of
this
series
before
it's
fully
paid
off
under
the
current
plan,
the
unfunded
liability
goes
from
91
to
100.
It
goes
up
by
nine
percent.
In
one
year,
second
column
says
it's
going
to
be
paid
off
in
2042,
100
percent
and
the
last
payment
in
2042
would
be
940
million,
so
it
would
be
paying
a
million
62,
a
million
67
out
until
the
last
year,
that
payment
will
be
940
and
that'll
be
zero
after
that
other,
except
for
the
normal
cost.
This
is
the
unfunded
liability
cost.
C
The
next
one
says:
let's
look
at
the
the
comment
about
we'll:
take
the
200
million,
but
we'll
start
reducing
the
other
payment
as
we
go
so
you
see
in
in
it's
not
it's
not
paid
off
until
2049.
There's
no
liability
at
2049.
the
country.
The
funded
status
is
100.
It
gets
there
more
quickly
because
we're
getting
into
200
200
million
is
not
being
offset
dollar
for
Dollar
by
a
reduction
in
the
other
cost.
That's
a
gradual
reduction.
C
So
that's
my
data
I'm
happy
to
take
questions,
but
again
just
thinking
of
reflecting
on
this.
Every
dollar
we
get
helps
But
A,
continuing
stream
has
a
compounding
effect,
and
it's
and
it's
compounding
of
five
five
and
a
quarter.
C
A
comment
I
would
make
that
I
didn't
make
earlier
if
these
pla,
if
the,
if
the
state
police
plan
in
particular,
goes
to
a
61
funded
status,
I
would
imagine
that
the
investment
committee
and
the
and
the
boards
would
take
a
look
at
and
that
board
would
take
a
look
at
is
the
five
and
a
quarter
assumption
still
valid,
or
can
we
take
a
little
more
risk
like
we
are
in
the
C
plan
and
the
K
hazardous
plan
and
have
a
six
and
a
quarter
assumption
that
would
have
a
meaningful
impact
on
also
improving
the
funding
funding
of
of
the
plan.
A
Thank
you,
Miss,
eager
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
look
at
this
overpayment.
The
impact
that
it's
had
to
TRS
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
important
for
us
to
look
at
putting
additional
funding
there
in
the
KRS
into
our
pension
plans
to
help
speed
this
and
sustainable
yeah
for
the
pension
plan.
C
D
Is
that,
okay,
that
sheet
those
last
two
scenarios
scenarios
there
is
that
all
put
together
I
mean
that's
not
that's
what
what
plan
is,
that
is
that
Kate
has
that's
just
non-haz.
What
we're.
C
C
Yeah
and
it
could
be,
it
could
go,
it
could
be
a
you
know.
We
can
look
at
each
look
at
K
has,
but
now
at
16.8
percent
funded
versus
what
will
now
be
roughly
50
50
percent
Plus
for
state
police
in
the
K
has.
D
So
you're
saying
kers
non-hazardous,
would
be
paid
off
in
240
2042
or
the
unfunded
liability
would
be
gone
negligible
right
with
that
scenario,
okay,
great.
C
There
would
still
be
a
normal
cost
every
year,
which
currently
is
nine
point.
Nine
percent
seven
percent
of
payroll
by
that
year
is
probably
likely
to
be
more
more
like
the
tier
three
normal
cost,
which
is
less
than
four
percent.
Second,.
D
B
C
It's
not
too
far
to
think
about
there.
The
only
cost
will
be
a
normal
cost
once
the
liabilities
paid
off,
so
the
arc
would
be
the.
D
C
D
C
Think
the
main
difference
is
there's
a
guarantee
so
last
year,
when
they
well
two
years
last
year
in
two
years
before
that,
when
we
had
negative
Returns,
the
the
members
got
returns
of
five
and
a
half
to
six
percent
I
think
that's
the
main
feature
that
provides
stability
year
to
year,
they're,
not
they're,
not
home.
Seeing
that
the
dial
went
down
to
1200
points
in
the
morning.
What
happened
by
401k,
the
impact
of
that
was
so
modest.
It's
a
it's
a
ripple.
C
We
put
in
four
percent
automatically
and
then
they
get
the
members
get
75
percent
of
any
excess
return
that
that
K
not
has
earns.
C
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I
have
two
questions.
One
director
eager
the
salary
increases
that
were
budgeted
for
in
this
last
budget
that
we
passed
earlier
in
the
year
fairly
significant.
Have
they
been
evaluated
by
the
actuaries
as
far
as
into
this
calculation
that
you
are
providing
us
today
at
the.
C
F
Yes,
sir,
this
is
Danny
White
actuary
with
Gabriel
rotor
Smith.
Can
everybody
hear
me
yeah
all
right,
very
good?
The
answer
to
the
question,
as
David
eaver
said
is,
is
no
on
the
salary
increases.
We
do
expect
there
to
be
some
Actuarial
loss
because
the
salary
increases
were
bigger
than
than
what
we
assumed-
and
you
know,
as
a
reflect
you
know,
bigger
salaries
mean
translate
to
bigger
pension
benefits
is
the
reason
for
the
loss
but
yeah
I.
F
Don't
think
this
changes
the
business
aspect
of
the
decision
so
for
business,
making
decisions,
I,
think
what
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
still
applicable,
I
think
the
salary
increase,
it's
it's
a
one-time
event
and
it
it's
in
in
terms
of
relative
magnitude.
It
should
be
relative
small
compared
to
other
things
such
as
you
know
what
we're
seeing
in
the
investment
market
and
such
follow
up
on
that
real,
quick.
Yes,.
F
Yes,
sir
just
take
a
year
or
so
to
catch
up
most
likely
and
it
will.
It
will
create
a
larger
dollar
amount
percentage
of
payroll
that
will
be
paid
in,
but
it
will
be
accompanied
with
that
as
we
move
forward
and
once
you
all
do
evaluate
that
this
year
or
next
year.
Would
that
be
this
year
or
next
year?
You
evaluate.
F
C
F
One
more
question:
that's
a
little
off
that
topic,
Mr
chairman,
if
I
could
and
then
Mr
eager
representative
bratcher,
asked
a
question
about
the
unfunded
liability
going
away,
but
or
not
the
unfunded
liability
but
I
guess
the
the
piece
of
this.
Because
of
the
guarantee
there
will
always
be
a
certain
level
of
funding
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that's
there,
regardless
what
the
market
does
correct,
and
so,
even
once
you
know,
the
discussion
was
made
about
tier
one
and
tier
two
employees.
F
Once
the
last
of
the
tier
two
or
tier
one
employees
are
gone,
there
will
still
be
a
certain
level
of
State
investment
that
has
to
be
made
to
to
make
sure
that
that
tier
three
guarantee
goes
forward
as
well.
So
that's
right!
That's
never
going
to
actually
go
away
because
the
way
that
we're
structured
with
the
guarantee
yeah.
C
There's
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
liability
on
the
books.
If
you
will
for
that,
the
liability
occurs
when,
when
somebody
retires
and
turns
into
an
annuity,
then
there's
a
liability.
That's
far
far
smaller
than
the
risk
we
had
and
tier
one
is
tier,
two
sure
I
I
would
comment
also
further.
If
you
don't,
if
I
can
we
look
at
the
some
options
every
year
the
actuary
comes
in
and
we
look
at
all
the
assumptions:
investment,
all
the
economic
assumptions,
inflation
and
investment
return
and
so
forth.
C
B
Thank
you,
I
did
not
apparently
get
this
printed
off,
so
I
can't
see
every
number
on
this
screen,
so
I
want
to
find
out
if
either
I
can't
see
it
or
it
was
on
another
slide
where
it's
not
on
there.
You
mentioned
the
200
million
plan
in
2042..
Do
you
have
other
sample
calculations
or
anything
showing
us
like?
Okay,
if
you
did
300
would
be
this
much
if
you
did
100
be
what
year
that
all
sliding
scale
is
because
24-2
I
gotta
say
sounds
yeah.
C
Yeah
we
would,
on
the
first
two
slides
you
could
calibrate
up
and
down,
because
it's
a
one-time
payment
on
this
we
would,
we
could
run
other
numbers
or
we
could
do
any
kind
of
number
of
scenarios
if
somebody
said
well
what
what
would
it
take
to
pay
out
off
in
2038,
and
we
can.
We
can
come
back
to
that
and
come
back
to
this
committee
with
that
with
that
information,
yeah.
G
Platten,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
Mr
eager,
and
this
is
currently
off
topic,
but
on
topic
because
it
deals
with
the
pension
and
why
I've
got
you
here.
G
G
If
the
fund
isn't
at
100
and
do
you
I
think
there
is
at
least
been
some
numbers
ran
to
give
us
an
indication
what
that's
going
to
look
like
and
cost
us
as
a
general
assembly
in
our
budget
to
provide
some
type
of
cola
for
our
retirees.
Could
you
could
you
speak
about
that?
A
little
bit.
C
Sure
we
looked
at
it
two
different
ways
at
the
request
of
ppob:
that's
where
this
topic
gets
discussed
and
by
the
way
are
we
we
get
calls
all
the
time
from
retirees
who
say
increase
my
customer
give
me
a
cost
of
living.
If
we
say
that's,
not
our
responsibility,
I
mean
it's
a
legislative.
C
Obviously,
there's
two
ways
that
that
you
can
look
at
it
and
and
one
is
to
say:
let's
do
a
one-time,
supplemental
payment
and
what,
if
it's,
150
million
or
150
or
300
or
a
thousand
dollars,
that's
an
easy
calculation
for
us
to
do,
and
and
Danny
and
Janie
way
are
there
kind
of
pull
your
deck
out?
If
you
would,
we
might
be
able
to
use
some
numbers
if
you,
but
the
other
one
is
to
have
it
ongoing.
C
So
let's
do
a
one
and
a
half
percent
Cola
and
it's
going
to
be
another
one
and
a
half
percent
next
year.
This
could
be
another
one
and
a
half
percent
after
the
year.
After
that,
that's
almost
beyond
the
ability
to
fund
right
now,
because
the
other
aspect
of
you,
you
don't
have
to
wait
till
100.
If
you
pre-fund
the
benefit
and
to
pre-fund
to
a
one
and
a
half
percent,
it's
billions
of
dollars,
believe
it
or
not.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Dave,
thanks
for
your
presentation
in
the
numbers
and
I
would
say
to
representative
Blanton
he's
precisely
on
topic,
because
what
we're
talking
about
is
when
you
have
additional
money
to
put
in
what
do
you
do
with
it?
Do
you
pay?
Do
you
pay
an
extra
mortgage
payment
so
you're
paying
13
mortgage
payments
a
year
which
brings
the
principal
down
faster
and
you
pay
off
your
mortgage
center?
Or
do
you
use
that
additional
money
to
add
a
room
which
is
what
a
cola
is?
H
So,
as
we've
talked
in
the
POV,
don't
I
urge
you
all
don't
give
a
cola
unless
you
pre-funded
you're
you're
setting
us
back.
If
you
do
that,
I
I
would
urge
every
year
eight
or
ten
percent
additional
payments
so
which
is
like
our
100
or
200
million
dollars
a
year
to
continue
that
process
toward
as
rep
as
Senator
Southworth
referred
to
bring
that
mortgage
payoff
date
sooner,
which
we
had
hoped
to
do
it
various
points
in
our
in
the
last
eight
years,
but.
H
Don't
put
all
of
it
in
a
cola,
because
that
really
is
going
to
hurt
us
long
term.
You
know
one-time
Cola,
maybe
okay,
but
you
cannot
do
year
after
year
colas
unless
you
pre-fund
them.
That's
how
we
got
in
this
mess.
That's
how
the
state
is
where
it
is
and
we're
talking.
Krs-9
has
funding.
16
percent
is
our
if
I
recall
from
the,
but
if
you
recall
that
was
way
low.
That
was
projected
to
go
down
into
single
digits,
yeah.
C
H
Not
turn
things
had
this
legislature
over
the
last
nine
ten
years
made
those
hard
decisions,
we'd
be
down
in
those
eight
or
ten
percent
range.
So
thank
you,
Mr,
eager,
but
you're,
welcome
to
comment,
but
that
that's
more
of
a
statement
than
a
question
we'll.
C
Appreciate
that
could
I
offer
two
more
comments.
Absolutely
one
of
them
comes
back
to
the
Senator's
point
about
reducing
the
amortization
period.
For
those
of
you
don't
know.
If
we
were
in
a
in
a
mortgage
situation,
we
were
done
to
24
years
and
the
legislature
decided
to
reset
it
back
to
30..
So
we
lost
six
years.
We
would
have
been
done
six
years
sooner
than
we're
now
currently
projected
so
that
2044
would
essentially
been
2038.
C
So
that's
a
at
that
it
was
costly
and
but
it
the
legislature
felt
they
had
to
do
it
in
order
for
fiscal
reasons.
But
that's
that's
what
happened.
H
C
A
Any
further
questions
Mr
eager
I,
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
and
once
again,
I
would
like
to
reiterate
that
I
think
it's
important
that
we
look
at
putting
additional
dollars
over
the
yard
there
into
the
pension
system.
We've
seen
the
benefit
that
it
has
done
to
TRS
and
I
think
it
will
be
vital
for
us
to
do
the
same
there
with
KRS
as
well
make.
C
One
more
Point
yeah.
So
what
do
we
do
with
the
money
we
get?
We
invest
it
and
we
have
to
invest
it
fairly
conservatively
because
of
this
from
the
status.
But
if
you
look
at
the
last
one
three,
five,
ten
twenty
and
thirty
year
periods,
if
you
compare
the
returns,
we
got
versus
our
Benchmark
and
our
Benchmark
is:
let's
take
the
targeted
asset
allocation.
C
How
much
should
Equity
domestic
International
and
so
forth
and
let
it
earn
an
index
return
like
we
could
have
done
that
85
percent
of
those
periods
of
time
we've
exceeded
the
benchmark,
so
we're
trying
to
work
hard
to
make
sure
you
give
us
money.
We
do
the
best
we
can
with
it.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I'm
going
to
hand
the
gavel
over
to
my
co-chair
and
let
him
take
over
our
meeting.
G
F
G
Culture
Dawson
I
apologize
to
the
committee
I'm
running
a
little
bit
late
this
morning,
I'll
just
say
technical
difficulties
and
leave
it
at
that.
Next,
up
on
our
agenda
looks
like
we
have
Tim
Hughes
from
the
Department
of
Agriculture
and
we're
going
to
discuss
the
impact
of
the
Eastern
Kentucky
flooding
this
morning.
So
as
soon
as
she
gets
him
set
up,
there
we'll
be
ready
to
go.
G
E
A
pleasure
and
honor
to
be
with
you
this
morning
to
be
honest,
I
would
much
rather
be
talking
about
my
primary
role.
My
title
is
senior
trade
advisor
I
work
in
commissioner
quarles's
office
with
the
Department
of
Agriculture,
and
this
past
weekend,
Senator
Thomas
joined
a
group
of
Taiwanese
dignitaries
and
Business
Leaders,
that
said
to
hornback's
farm
for
dinner,
and
we
had
a
weekend
of
activities
for
them.
E
So
there's
a
picture
of
Center
Thomas
with
our
group
trying
to
get
them
to
buy
corn
and
soybeans,
but
today
my
responsibility
is
to
bring
you
an
update
on
the
floods
in
East
Kentucky,
and
so
it's
definitely
something
that
you
know
I'm
very
proud
of
the
role
that
the
Department
of
Agriculture
has
played
in
meeting.
Those
needs
very
proud
of
our
state
for
the
concern
and
the
donations
and
the
volunteerism
that
we've
seen
in
that.
But
it
definitely
has
been
a
tragedy.
The
photo
that's
up,
I,
assume
you're.
E
E
Well,
eventually,
a
photo
will
come
up
of
the
University
of
Kentucky's
breathit
research
Farm,
it's
on
our
webpage.
We
have
a
web
page
dedicated
to
the
East
Kentucky
floods
and
the
the
big
issue
you
know,
of
course,
is
loss
of
life
both
in
East
and
West
Kentucky,
the
personal
destruction
to
homes
and
property.
The
what
I
would
like
to
talk
about
this
morning
is
the
role
or
the
involvement
the
Department
of
Agriculture
has
played
and
the
impact
on
the
AG
community
in
that
area.
E
We'll
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide
when
when
it
comes
up,
but
we
also
dealt
with
a
disaster
in
West
Kentucky
back
in
last
December,
and
so
my
wife
and
I
used
to
farm
in
Simpson,
Logan
County.
We
moved
up
here
in
2004
and
in
2000
we
got
a
call
that
our
house
was
on
fire
and
then
we
got
home
all
of
our
personal
belongings.
You
could
put
in
a
five
gallon
bucket,
and
so
with
that
impact
on
our
lives.
E
We
grew
to
appreciate
situations
like
this,
whether
it's
a
flood,
whether
it's
a
fire,
whether
it's
a
tornado
when
you
lose
all
your
personal
belongings,
you
really
appreciate
the
phone
calls
the
prayers,
the
people
wanting
to
do
something
for
you,
but
honestly,
the
first
couple
of
days
you're
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
what
do
I
do
you
know?
Where
do
we
stay
the
night
who
do
I
owe
that
I
haven't
paid?
Yet
where
was
that
Appliance
or
where
was
that
tool
that
I
know
about
a
few
weeks
ago?
E
But
it's
no
longer
there
and
so
there's
a
personal
aspect
of
these
kind
of
things,
and
so
the
immediate
response
is
important,
but
also
it's
something
that
takes
a
while
to
get
over.
It
takes
months
to
start
rebuilding
it
takes
months
to
get
your
business
back
in
agriculture.
You
know
if
crops
were
destroyed,
it
may
be
another
year
before
you
can
replace
and
replant
those
crops
if
it
was
grain
in
a
bin.
That
was
your
income
for
the
year
that
you've
lost.
So
those
are
things
that
you
have
to
deal
with.
E
What
I'd
like
to
discuss?
First
and
maybe
we'll
get
slides
up
here
in
a
little
bit.
But
what
is
the
priority
role
for
the
Department
of
Agriculture
and
our
main
responsibility
within
the
Department
of
Agriculture
lies
within
the
office
State
veterinarian
and
she
Dr
Flynn,
serves
as
the
ESF
11
agriculture
designee
on
the
Kentucky
Emergency
Operations
Center,
and
so
that's
our
primary
statutory
responsibility
and
with
that
preparedness
is
number
one.
And
fortunately,
last
November
Kentucky
participated
with
some
other
states.
Okay,.
E
Part
of
the
benefit
in
being
prepared
is
the
Department
of
Agriculture
is
the
connection
between
farmers,
the
commodity
organizations,
state
and
federal
government,
and
so
we
have
those
relationships
going
in
and
we
also
know
a
lot
of
the
people
in
Washington
DC
with
USDA,
and
some
of
the
other
federal
agencies
am
I,
okay
to
advance
the
slides
or
okay
I'm.
Okay.
To
do
that.
Okay,
all
right,
no
problem!
So
that's
that's
the
ref
at
Center
down
in
East
Kentucky
at
the
UK
research
facility
in
quicksand.
E
This
was
the
website
that
we
developed
for
the
tornado
in
West
Kentucky.
This
is
one
of
the
grain
facilities
down
there
and
you
can
see
the
the
damage
and
the
destruction.
E
This
is
where
I
was
at
dealing
with
preparedness
in
our
response
number
one
we
had
to
identify
where
the
impact
the
livestock
operations
were.
In
many
cases,
the
barns
or
the
fences
were
destroyed
in
the
livestock
were
running
running
free
in
the
community,
so
helping
get
those
back
make
sure
disease
was
contained.
E
E
Those
were
the
primary
responsibilities.
Beyond
that
we
have
a
regulatory
function
with
fuel
quality,
and
so
you
know
in
some
situations
the
electricity
was
off
with
convenience
stores
and
filling
stations.
We
had
a
relationship
with
the
USDA
on
the
food
programs,
so
we
worked
with
food
paint,
food
pantries
and
things
like
that
to
make
sure
that
they
had
the
supplies
that
they
needed,
but
then
also
Beyond
those
statutory
responsibilities.
We.
E
E
As
you
know,
the
storm
in
West
Kentucky
went
a
long
ways
and
had
severe
destruction,
and
it
was
really
right
in
the
heart
of
Kentucky's
commercial
agriculture
sector.
Fortunately,
it
was
during
December,
so
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
crop
damage,
corn
or
soybeans
that
were
ready
to
be
harvested
that
were
destroyed.
E
Sometimes
we've
had
the
Hurricanes
that
have
come
up
through
the
gulf
and
Farmers
have
had
to
deal
with
mature
crops
in
the
field
that
were
blown
down
and
harvest
issues
there,
but
we
did
have
a
number
of
grain
facilities
that
were
destroyed
or
damaged.
We
had
I
think
over
20,
poultry,
barns
that
were
completely
destroyed
and
if
you
know
anything
about
the
the
broiler
operations,
most
of
those
have
twenty
thousand
or
Thirty
to
fifty
thousand
birds
in
one
house.
E
So
you
can
imagine
dealing
with
those
birds,
running
wild,
being
killed,
being
maimed
and
able
to
deal
with
that
tool.
Sheds
and
Equipment
fences,
the
death
and
impairment
and
displacement
of
livestock
The
Woodlands.
There
was
a
lot
of
forest
land
in
West
Kentucky,
and
much
of
that
was
destroyed,
had
debris
littered
through
it
and
then
the
debris
in
the
different
fields.
These
pictures
are
from
a
dairy
farm
down
in
Logan
County,
and
you
can
just
see
the
devastation
in
dealing
with
something
like
that.
E
East
Kentucky
was
a
completely
different
situation.
It
was
very
concentrated
in
the
counties.
We
don't
have
as
much
commercial
agriculture
in
that
area
of
the
state,
but
we
had
at
least
two
to
three
significant
produce
farms
and
of
course,
a
lot
of
their
produce
was
close
to
a
creek,
and
some
of
that
was
completely
destroyed.
The
other
issue.
Maybe
the
water
went
down,
but
if
it
had
flood
water,
that
produce
was
no
longer
legal
or
safe
to
be
sold
for
human
consumption.
E
The
biggest
issues
in
East
Kentucky
have
been
for
the
small
producers
that
maybe
take
the
produce
to
a
farmer's
market
or
just
homesteaders
or
those
that
rely
on
Gardens
for
their
winter
provisions
and
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
issues
where
individuals
lost
their
Gardens.
They
lost
the
ability
to
can
and
preserve
products
for
this
winter,
and
so
we
had
a
number
of
smaller
operations
that
have
the
hoop
structures
where
they
could
extend
their
growing
season.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
pasture
land
that
was
flooded
and
the
mud
basically
killed
the
standard
grass.
E
E
So
there
are
programs
that
are
in
place
for
disaster
recovery,
but
then
occasionally
there
will
be
a
disaster
bill
that
Congress
passes
later.
So
we
wanted
to
put
a
resource
together
for
individuals
to
document
their
losses.
It
may
be
six
months
before
a
federal
program
comes
around
that
actually
addresses
that
loss.
So
you
know
it's
important
to
before
you
have
somebody
haul
off
the
material
or
before
you
bury
the
animals.
E
You
know
to
document
how
many
of
you
lost
why
they
were
either
put
down
or
passed
away,
and
so
we
have
those
resources-
that's
probably
a
little
small
to
see,
but
it's
on
our
website.
The
first
one
is:
how
do
you
document
and
what
records
do
you
have
to
keep
a
photo?
So
you
know
if
you
lost
your
home,
you
lost
your
office.
You
probably
lost
a
lot
of
those
records,
but
you
know
when
we
dealt
with
our
house,
we
were
able
to
rely
on
vendors,
that
we'd
purchase
things
and
they
could
send
us
bills.
E
E
E
Our
County
Conservation
districts
can
play
a
role
in
helping
Farmers
with
deciding
what
is
the
best
way
of
restoring
those
crops,
receding
those
fields,
repairing
the
fences
and
doing
some
planning
there
as
well,
and
then
Insurance,
you
know,
did
they
have
the
property
insurance
did
they
have
crop
insurance,
flood
insurance
and
what
we're
seeing
with
this
storm
in
East
Kentucky
is
in
many
cases
they
weren't
eligible
for
flood
insurance.
E
E
One
thing
that
we
did
in
West
Kentucky
and
commissioner
Quarles
was
getting
calls
the
night
of
the
storm
we
reached
out
to
Farm
Bureau,
and
you
know
Farm
Bureau
has
the
insurance
side,
but
it's
also
our
state's
largest
agricultural
organization
and
reached
out
to
the
University
of
Kentucky
College
of
Agriculture,
which
has
extension
offices
in
all
120
counties,
and
so
we
had
individuals
calling
wanting
to
donate
supplies
money
things
like
that.
So
we
put
together
a
team
of
extension
agents
in
West
Kentucky
that
were
taking
requests
from
Individual
Farmers
that
we
need
fencing.
E
We
don't
want
to
cut
out
the
local
businesses
in
that
community,
so
they
identified
30
Farm
retailers
within
those
communities
that
had
those
supplies,
fencing
supplies,
chainsaws
and
then
they
set
up
accounts
that
an
individual
farmer
could
go
in
and
document
that
they
had
losses
or
needed
these
supplies
because
of
the
storm.
Initially
they
could
get
up
to
fifteen
hundred
dollars
out
of
this
fund
to
buy
those
needed
items
enough
money
was
provided.
E
We
were
able
to
do
that
a
second
round,
and
so
individuals
could
get
up
to
three
thousand
dollars
to
go
in
support
their
local
business,
get
the
things
they
needed,
bring
it
back
and
then
the
local
business
was
reimbursed
for
that
fund.
So
when
the
storms
hit
in
East
Kentucky,
we
re-established
that
fund.
E
There
wasn't
as
big
a
network
of
those
retailers,
so
the
funding
from
the
Farm
Bureau
fund
this
time
is
going
to
support
the
mountain
Cattlemen's
Association,
which
is
helping
with
feed
and
fencing
supplies
in
East,
Kentucky,
Christian,
Appalachian,
Park
project
and
God's
Pantry
food
pantry,
and
so
we're
not
it's
directly
related
to
the
AG
Community
in
the
East
Kentucky
storms,
but
fortunately
there's
a
lot
of
other
relief
organizations
that
already
have
a
presence
in
East,
Kentucky
and
so
they're
meeting
a
lot
of
the
humanitarian
needs
and
those
issues
as
well
and
so
I
mentioned
the
relief
fund.
E
The
other
issue
is,
you
know:
how
do
you
legally
and
sanitarily
dispose
of
these
deceased
animals,
and
so
we
have
those
resources
online?
The
other
issue
is
the
mental
health
and
I
know.
That's
become
an
increasing
issue
in
the
farm
community
over
the
last
few
years
and
fortunately,
we've
been
working
with
the
University
of
Louisville
University
of
Kentucky.
This
is
something
Dale.
E
Dobson
is
incorporated
into
the
farm
safety
program
and
we
call
it
Raising
Hope,
and
so
we
have
those
resources
online
as
well
and
to
help
people
realize
that,
just
because
you
lost
your
home
or
you
lost
your
financial
resources,
you
know
the
your
worth
is
in
you
as
an
individual,
and
there
are
resources
within
your
community
to
help
overcome
those
losses.
Small
business
administration,
this
gets
into
a
gray
area.
Typically,
SBA
does
not
work
with
agriculture.
Most
of
their
programs
are
devoted
to
small
businesses
other
than
agriculture.
E
Usda
is
usually
the
agency
that
works
with
Agriculture
and
agricultural
businesses
last
in
2020,
because
of
covid
SBA
started
doing
more
with
agriculture
through
the
paycheck
Protection
Program
and
the
economic
injury
disaster
Loan
program,
but
that
was
strictly
related
to
covet.
So
SBA
can't
help
Farms
with
their
programs.
Farmers
have
to
go
through
the
USDA
and
any
other
is
what
do
you
do
with
the
woodlands
that
were
damaged
now?
Can
you
use
any
of
that
wood
for
a
pulp
or
paper
firewood?
A
lot
of
it
has
debris
in
it.
E
We
worked
with
forestry
and
Kentucky
forest
interest.
Association
on
helping
people
understand
the
dangers
of
getting
out
and
cutting
trees
that
may
be
lodged
between
two
different
trees,
and
so
there's
lots
of
different
issues
that
we
had
a
different
role
in.
This
is
just
a
few
of
the
donations
that
we
received
for
the
East
Kentucky
situation
and
one
of
the
feed
companies
always
feeds
donated
livestock
feed,
and
commissioner
Quarles
has
been
down
two
or
three
times
to
East.
Kentucky
was
down
in
West
Kentucky
numerous
times
during
that
disaster
as
well.
E
The
one
thing
that
falls
outside
of
the
Department
of
Agriculture
is
companion
animals,
but
you
know
in
many
situations
they're
family
members,
and
so
you
know
how
do
you
help
individual
families
that
lost
Fido
or
Miss
Kitty?
And
you
know
they
impact
agriculture,
because
you
know
those
feral
animals
now
could
be
a
disease
risk.
You
know
when
you
start
looking
at
reptiles
and
different
types
of
exotic
pets.
You
know
legally,
you
know,
did
they
have
the
right
to
own
those
animals?
And
you
know
issues
like
that
and
then
the
public
danger.
E
If
you've
got
you
know
a
domesticated
animal,
that's
in
some
type
of
distress.
It
may
you
know,
attack
or
bite
those
that
are
trying
to
do
rescue
and
so
Dr
Flynn
put
this
together
very
thoughtful
of.
Where
do
we
go
basically
the
Department
of
Agriculture?
You
know
our
role
is
with
agriculture,
but
because
of
our
role
with
the
State
Office
of
veterinarian,
she
felt
like
that.
E
But
you
know
we
were
being
requested
because
of
you
know:
family
members,
the
potential
impact
of
the
livestock
sector,
concerns
about
disease
and
just
concern
for
the
community.
So
she
did
participate
in
nightly
calls
beginning
on
August
1st
to
August
12th.
She
worked
with
a
number
of
relief
organizations
on
helping
get
supplies
donated
to
East
Kentucky
such
as
pet
food,
kennels
things
like
that,
and
then
you
know
received
updates
on
what
was
going
on
in
that
area.
E
E
E
We
weren't
even
aware
that
we
should
be
connected
with
this
ESF
six
work
group
so
what's
needed
for
the
next
disaster,
and
that's
probably
the
big
question
that
you
all
were
looking
for:
Keith
Rogers,
our
chief
of
staff
and
Dr
Flynn.
Our
state
veterinarian
are
meeting
with
Kentucky
Farm,
Bureau
and
other
agricultural
leaders
in
Louisville
today.
This
meeting
was
actually
planned
prior
to
the
storms
in
East
Kentucky,
to
reassess
our
response
to
West
Kentucky
and
to
see
you
know
what
we
did
right,
what
we
could
do
better
and
what's
needed
in
the
future.
E
Our
office
State
veterinarian,
has
been
hit
by
a
number
of
different
issues.
I
mentioned
the
tornadoes
in
West
Kentucky
in
December
in
February,
our
state
dealt
with
two
cases
of
Avian
Influenza,
and
so
that
required
depopulation
of
two
flocks,
one
of
turkey,
one
of
broilers
in
West
Kentucky.
It
required
assessing
and
quarantining
areas
around
those
impacted,
and
so
you
know
that
office
has
really
been
stressed
because
of
these
issues.
E
Previous
speaker
talked
about
the
pigeons,
and
you
know,
as
a
state,
employee
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
all
have
done
on
Shoring
that
up,
but
it
makes
a
challenge
for
a
state
agency
if
we're
paying
somebody
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
be
an
employee.
The
pension
makeup
and
other
benefits
are
over
100
percent
of
the
salary,
so
that
individual
is
probably
costing
the
Department
of
Agriculture
110
000.
E
A
year
in
benefit
and
payroll,
and
so
it
makes
us
non-competitive,
especially
on
hiring
veterinarians,
that
can
go
out
and
make
a
lot
more
in
the
private
sector,
so
additional
resources.
There
would
be
helpful
communication
between
agencies,
stakeholders
and
Community
leaders
that
we
feel
like
we
do
that
we
have
the
Kentucky
agricultural
Council,
which
is
an
umbrella
group
of
over
80
organizations,
and
we
meet
quarterly.
So
we
have
those
relationships,
but
you
know
you
never
know
what
you
need
to
be
planning
for.
E
You
know
better
alignment,
Federal
programs
to
cut
down
on
the
paperwork
and
the
bureaucracy
and
to
be
able
to
help
people
when
the
situation
happens
and
not
six
months
later,
through
legislative
activity
and
then
I
mentioned
earlier
weather
events,
don't
respect
County,
Alliance,
so
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
consideration
where
individuals
may
be
near
an
impacted
County,
but
may
not
be
within
those
county
lines.
They
should
be
eligible
for
some
of
those
benefits
and
then
I
mentioned
all
the
issues
with
companion
animals.
E
You
know
further
clarification
or
jurisdictional
issues
and
strategies
for
meeting
a
net
needs.
Once
again,
it's
an
honor
to
be
with
you.
This
morning,
it's
a
lot
of
information
be
glad
to
try
to
entertain
specific
questions,
but
once
again,
I
know
both
in
West
Kentucky,
East
Kentucky.
Those
are
things
that
we
never
want
to
go
through.
We
feel
for
our
neighbors
and
our
citizens,
but
you
know
in
some
ways
you're,
never
more
proud
of
your
agency
or
your
community
until
you
go
through
something
like
that
and
feel
the
love
and
compassion
from
those
neighbors.
G
You
Tim
for
being
here
I
know
quick,
commissioner
Quarles
and
your
staff
was
up
in
East
Kentucky
multiple
times,
even
helped
me
to
coordinate
a
couple
tractor-trailer
loads
of
fresh
meat
to
be
brought
in
to
be
distributed
to
people.
So
much
appreciated
and
people
do
not
necessarily
think
of
of
farming
in
Eastern
Kentucky
because
of
our
heels
like
they
do
in
Western
Kentucky,
but
we
do
have,
especially
since
the
far
farmers
markets.
Programs
has
been
a
a
big
thing
as
of
late
in
our
area.
G
A
lot
of
people
are,
quite
frankly,
not
only
to
provide
fresh
produce,
but
are
using
it
as
supplemental
incomes
to
help
them
in
in
their
homes.
But
we
also
have
a
lot
of
cattle
Farmers
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
know
this,
but
Kentucky
is-
or
at
least
they
were
a
few
years
ago
before
I
got
this
job.
G
I
was
pretty
active
in
the
Cattlemen's
Association
and
we
were
the
biggest
cattle
producer
east
of
the
Mississippi
River
and
surprisingly,
the
average
cattle
farm
is
was
at
that
time
about
25
head
of
cattle,
so
we
do
have
room
in
East
Kentucky
for
those
size
herds.
Sometimes
it's
joke
that
one
side
of
their
their
legs
on
one
side
Shore
in
the
other,
where
they
stand
on
the
sides
of
the
hills
and
Grays.
G
But
that's
that's
okay,
but
we
do
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
cattle
farmers
up
in
that
area
as
well
and
and
I
guess.
My
question
would
be,
and
you
address
the
programs
that
are
available
to
them
and
and
the
livestock
losses
we
have.
But
what
about
hey
losses?
G
I
know
that
sometimes
those
are
stored
in
areas
that
normally
doesn't
get
flooded,
but
did
this
time
and
can
can
wash
away
and
I
know
that
Kentucky
East
Kentucky
Farmers
over
years
past
have
been
very
good
about
sending
hay
to
other
parts
and
all
in
the
state.
But
the
country.
Are
you
all
looking
into
addressing
any
of
that
as
well?
We've.
E
Been
working
most
closely
with
the
mountain,
Cattlemen's
Association
and
then
there's
a
number
of
other
County
Cattlemen's
associations
in
that
area,
and
around
Kentucky
and
I
know,
there's
been
some
hay
delivered
to
that
part
of
the
state.
Some
of
our
questions
have
been.
You
know
those
pastures
that
were
underwater
for
a
number
of
days
or
were
covered
with
mud
and
debris.
E
We're
looking,
you
know,
maybe
getting
more
of
that
equipment
in
East,
Kentucky
or
conservation
districts
outside
of
that
area
typically
only
allow
that
equipment
to
be
used
in
their
County,
but
to
see
you
know
if
they
would
allow
Farmers
to
to
reseed
I
know
extension
is
putting
programs
together
on
you
know
pasture
remediation,
forage
management,
things
like
that
with
West
Kentucky.
We
did
receive
some
calls
from
people
outside
of
Kentucky
willing
to
donate
hay.
E
We're
running
into
some
Logistics
issues
because
of
the
trucking
shortage
and
the
expense
of
fuel,
there's,
probably
a
little
less
willingness
for
somebody
from
South,
Carolina
or
Ohio
bringing
hay
in
than
they
were.
You
know
even
a
year
ago,
but
you
know
we're
looking
at
that
and
this
meeting
in
Louisville
today.
I
know
that's
one
of
the
things
that
you're
talking
about
is
you
know
we
don't
want
people
to
forget
about
either
situation,
because
that
recovery
is
going
to
take
several
years.
E
The
USDA
through
the
nrcs,
does
have
some
programs
for
fencing,
and
so
that's
that's
a
big
issue
and
you
know
with
intensive
management
grazing.
You
know
a
farmer,
can
you
know
double
or
triple
their
stocking
capacity
if
they
manage
those
resources
as
well.
So
you
know
all
of
those
things
collectively
hopefully
will
address,
but
it's
it's
not
going
to
be
a
short-term
solution.
Sure.
G
And
I
know
that
talk
with
some
some
individuals
that
had
did
some
work
on
their
hay
fields
and
had
just
limbed
and
fertilized,
and
then
it
all
gets
washed
away
the
flood
and,
if
you've
not
bought
fertilizing
in
a
while,
it
is
not
cheap
right
now,
so
those
are
definitely
things.
Another
thing
is
that
we
sometimes
take
for
granted.
Is
water
contamination
for
a
livestock
flooding
contaminates
our
water
system,
they're
generally
drinking
from
either
a
pond
or
a
stream?
G
G
If
not
again,
thank
you
Tim
and
if
there's
no
questions
in
the
committee,
we
will
stand
adjourned
until
our
next
meeting,
which
is
I,
believe
October
the
19th
correct.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
today.