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B
Here
we
do
have
a
quorum
before
we
get
into
the
formal
agenda.
Let
me
deviate
just
for
a
moment.
Please,
as
most
of
you
know,
should
know
that
today
is
flag
day
and
as
much
I'd
like
to
honor
that
by
asking
co-chair
cook,
if
he
would
lead
us
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
B
B
Thank
you,
but
it's
also
a
special
day
and
that
it's
the
29th
birthday
again
of
our
fearless
leader
here,
kim
eisner,
so
she's.
She
said:
congratulations
on
another
trip
around
the
sun,
hoping
to
wish
you
many
many
more.
B
A
B
D
Good
morning,
I'm
alan
hirsch,
I'm
the
acting
executive
director
of
the
office
of
employee
relations,
been
a
merit
state
employee
since
2015
with
the
personnel
cabinet
since
2020..
Thank
you
good
morning,
I'm
rosemary
holbrook,
I'm
the
assistant,
general
counsel,
with
personnel
cabinet.
I've
been
a
state
employee
for
10
years
and
I
have
been
with
personnel
cabinets
since
2015.
B
Thank
you
appreciate
you
being
here
just
refreshing
memories
of
our
committee
members.
The
reason
that
this
was
deferred
from
the
previous
month
is
that
we
had
a
disagreement.
We
be
myself
and
you
folks
as
to
applicability
of
senate
bill
42,
which
we
passed
this
last
session
and
again
just
to
remind
the
committee
members.
B
You
all
agree
that
it
was
our
point
of
contention
last
month,
correct,
correct.
Well,
I
will
concede,
after
reviewing
the
situation
kind
of
a
unique
situation
and
that
this
contract,
the
lobbyist,
who
was
convicted
of
this
crime,
he
wasn't
convicted
specific
to
the
actions
related
this
contract
is.
Is
that
a
fair
way?
To
summarize
it.
B
So
senate
bill
42
does
not
plain
effect
here,
but
I'll
still
take
the
position
that
we
should
not
renew
this
contract
and
let
me
kind
of
review
the
history
with
you
folks
on
this.
I
first
brought
up
this
objection
back
in
2000
and
excuse
me
2020
when
this
contract
was
up
renewal
and
the
reason
for
my
objection
is.
If
I
could,
let
me
read
a
newspaper
article
for
you,
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
abbreviated
version
of
it.
This
is
from
adam
bean.
Many
of
you
remember,
adam
from
the
associated
press.
B
He
covered
our
legislature
and
it's
dated
june
13
2018.,
he's
speaking
with
regard
to
the
conviction
of
the
parties
involved
in
bribing
cabinet
officials
and
again
excuse
me.
I
don't
want
to
bore
you
the
entire
article
just
trying
to
get
to
me
to
this,
but
I'll
start
with
a
thousand
dollar
payment
on
that
date.
In
2016
was
one
of
several
meetings
between
two
men.
B
B
B
Longmar
said
he
worked
to
keep
the
contract
with
cc
msi,
because
the
lobbyist
had
paid
him
underwriters.
The
other
firm
that
had
submitted
a
request
for
a
responding
request
for
proposal
protested,
because
its
bid
had
been
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Less
longimar
said
he
directed
the
staff
to
have
cc
msi,
lower
its
bid
by
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
keep
the
contract.
B
After
that
sullivan,
the
the
lobbyist
kept
paying
longmire.
He
handed
him
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
in
an
envelope
under
the
table
at
a
mexican
restaurant
in
frankfort.
He
met
him
in
the
parking
lot
of
the
frisch's
restaurant
and
screwley
dropping
the
envelope
field
with
four
thousand
dollars
in
the
driver's
side
window.
It
landed
in
the
longmars
lap,
lawnmower
city
donated
most
of
the
money
to
democratic
political
campaigns.
B
You
know
given
this
history,
when
this
contract
came
up
in
2020,
I
asked
captain
officials
at
that
time.
If
this
was
the
low
bid
in
under
oath
which
we
administered
on
that
day,
they
said
that
it
was,
but
for
their
examination
in
questioning
they
said.
No,
it
wasn't
the
low
bid.
It
was
the
best
bid,
which
is
to
me
kind
of
arbitrary
capricious,
but
it
becomes
quite
evident
that
this
company
had
privilege
inside
information
which
allowed
them
to
reduce
their
bid
and
be
considered
for
this
contract.
D
D
I
we
issued
the
rfp
process
pursuant
to
45a.
We
had
not
just
members
the
personnel
cabinet
on
the
scoring
committee,
but
members
of
other
cabinets
as
well.
We
followed
the
processes
of
45a
and,
since
that
period
of
2020,
up
to
this
period
of
enroll,
we've
had
no
issue
with
services
under
the
contract
in
terms
of
administering
the
benefits
for
our
workers.
B
It
does,
but
I
take
issue
with
your
assessment
of
the
situation
and
I'll
call
you
attention
to
section
45a
0.015
of
our
model
procurement
code-
and
it
says
specifically,
every
contract
or
duty
under
this
code
shall
impose
an
obligation
of
good
faith
in
the
performance
or
enforcement.
B
D
D
F
D
B
B
Well,
let
me
read
another
document
to
you.
This
is
from
march
18
2019
from
the
executive
ethics
branch
ethics
commission
and
said
today.
The
executive
branch
ethics
commission
found
canon
cochrane
management
services,
inc
ccmsi,
a
delaware
conference
corporation
in
violation,
krs
chapter
11a,
the
executive
branch
code
of
ethics,
again
their
words
in
violation
of
krs
chapter
11a.
B
2005-2014
inclusive
in
counts.
11
through
14
ccmsi,
accepted
an
engagement
for
compensation
that
was
contingent
upon
an
outcome
of
an
executive
agency
decision,
the
years
2005-2008
inclusive.
Pursuant
to
the
settlement
agreement,
ccmsi
agrees
to
pay
a
50
000
civil
penalty
receive
a
public
recommend
and
waives
any
right
to
appeal.
The
commission
concluded
the
matter
by
issuing
a
final
order.
D
We
were
aware
of
that
with
the
ethics
committee.
We
actually
checked
with
them
to
see
if
this
was
still
an
eligible
vendor
vendor
under
krs
45a,
and
I
feel
like
we
had
to
follow
the
requirements
of
krs-45a,
so
we
did
check
with
the
ethics
commission.
We
were
aware
of
that
and
they
said
that,
yes,
they
would
still
be
an
eligible
vendor
in
terms
of
the
rfp
process.
Back
in
2020.
D
Due
to
performance
under
the
contract
over
the
last
two
years,
I
have
no
issues
with
continuing
the
process
to
especially
during
the
completely
unique
claims
that
we
were
dealing
with
over
the
last
two
years
and
the
benefits
that
provided
to
our
state
workers
and
volunteer
fighter
firefighters
throughout
the
state
of
kentucky.
And
again,
I'm
not
aware
of
what
happened
with
rfp
processes
prior
to
2020.
I
could
seek
that
information
out,
but
I
entered
the
personnel
cabinet
in
2020
and
we
followed
krs-45a.
B
I
want
to
talk
about
renewables
contract
and
he
asked
me
why
I
wasn't
in
favor
of
it
and
after
I
explained
to
him
he
said
you
know,
we
have
saved
this
commonwealth
79
million
dollars
while
we've
had
this
contract
and
doesn't
that
register
with
you?
Aren't
you
interested
in
saving
the
commonwealth
money?
B
Certainly
am
I
think
that
the
committee
members
will
testify
my
behalf,
I'm
always
interested
in
saving
the
commonwealth
money.
I
think
that's
part
of
our
role,
but
three
issues
I
had
with
this
assertion
that
he
saved
is
20
79
million.
First,
that's
their
job,
that's
why
you
have
a
tpa.
Secondly,
I
can't
validate.
B
They
have
saved
us
79
million
dollars
and
thirdly,
there's
nothing
to
suggest
that
another
company
could
not
have
saved
even
more
money,
but
the
thing
that
really
got
my
attention
with
this
contract
is
it's
a
million
dollar
a
year
contract,
but
yet
we
only
receive
two
requests
for
proposals
for
renewal.
This
is
in
2020..
I
know
what
you've
got
for
this
go
around,
but
this
is
not
rocket
science.
B
I
appreciate
it's
a
very
specialized
role
for
third-party
administrators,
but
there
are
a
dozen
firms
across
the
united
states
that
do
this
very
service,
but
we
only
get
two
requests
for
proposals.
I
think
because
people
have
drawn
the
foreground
conclusion
that
this
is
a
done
deal
they're
going
to
get
it
regardless,
so
why
even
involve
ourselves
in
it?
B
B
G
B
But
then
he
proceeded
to
say:
I
think
that
you
view
us
as
a
northern
carpetbagger,
not
my
words.
I've
never
used
that
words.
That's
your
words
and
he
said
I
see
you've
been
in
health
care
for
many
many
years
and
you
obviously
have
a
bias
against
third
party
administrators.
I
don't
you
got
a
role
to
play.
I
mean
they.
We
need
them.
So
you
know
we
already
set
the
tone
for
this
very
bad
after
he
mentioned
that
the
79
million.
I
said
I'm
not
impressed
by
that.
B
He
mentioned
that
he
had
followed
my
facebook
post
and
my
testimony
committee
on
this
particular
matter
and
that's
possibly,
I
had
defamed
or
libeled
the
company.
I
said:
well,
I'm
not
the
one
that's
on
trial
here
at
the
moment
and
let's
talk
about
the
particulars
this
you
had
inside
information
on
this
contract.
That's
what
allowed
you
to
be
awarded
this
contract
successfully.
B
D
D
B
Let's
just
clear
that
record,
then
I
can
see
that
one,
but
now
you
have
a
representative
from
this
company
who
has
threatened
to
sue
me
personally.
If
this
contract
is
not
renewed
now,
isn't
that
a
violation
of
524.04?
This
is,
if
you
attempt
to
intimidate
anybody,
that's
involved
in
this
process.
It's
a
class
d
felony.
D
D
All
I
can
say
is
this
is
the
first
we've
heard
of
this.
We
don't
have
a
relationship
with
the
vendor
in
that
regard.
We've
had
no
conversations
with
this
vendor
about
this
renewal
process
outside
of
the
normal
courses
and
scope
of
business.
We
were
not
aware
of
that
meeting
again.
Our
primary
concern
is
the
administration
of
workers,
compensation.
B
B
B
F
D
What
we're
here
to
talk
about
today,
the
other
thing
we're
here
to
talk
about
today,
is
that
they
scored
cc
msi
scored
higher
than
the
other
two
vendors.
That's
that's
the
fact.
B
B
B
B
B
E
Spend
my
vote,
mr
man,
I'm
voting
yes,
and
I
just
wanted
to
explain
this
piece
of
this
we're
talking
about
trying
to
silo
the
2020
contract
away
from
prior
vendor
experience
in
our
system
of
procurement,
and
I
feel
like
when
you
get
an
unfair
advantage.
It's
like
in
a
jury
trial
trying
to
unsee
or
unhear,
something
can't
be
done
and
you
use
your
prior
experience
in
your
future
experiences.
E
So
I
don't
think
you
can
sit
here
and
say:
2020
is
what
is
worth
talking
about
because
we
are
talking
about
2020,
but
they
can't
unsee
and
unhear
what
they've
experienced
in
prior
experiences
and
that's
why
you
can't
necessarily
say
that
2020
was
fair
on
the
books,
even
though
it
might
appear
on
paper
to
be
fair
on
books.
Thank
you.
C
I
Explain
my
vote.
Please.
I'm
voting
no
on
disapproving
this
contract
because
there's
no
reason
to
disapprove
this
contract.
There
seems
to
be
an
attempt
to
bring
things
that
are
not
relevant
into
this
discussion.
The
2020
contract
meets
the
standards
as
outlined
in
kentucky
revised
statutes,
and
the
tpa
has
done
a
good
job
for
our
state
workers
and
our
volunteer.
Firefighters
and
that's
the
job
of
this
committee
is
to
make
sure
that
procurement
is
done
fairly
and
legally.
I
The
2020
contract
seems
to
meet
that
standard
and
they've
done
a
good
job
for
our
state
workers
and
our
and
volunteer
firefighters,
and
I
didn't
get
to
ask
this
question,
but
I
used
to
vote
on
tpas
all
the
time
when
I
was
on
the
wku
board
of
regents,
and
I
had
this
sneaking
suspicion
that
if
we
disapprove
this
contract
today,
this
is
going
to
toss
the
taxpayers
millions
of
dollars.
I
don't
think
we're
here
to
do
that.
I
B
Obviously
I
vote
aye
and
I'll.
Certainly
echo
represent
his
mentor's
sentiment,
so
we're
here
to
make
sure
that
this
is
fair
and
transparent
process
and
obviously
it
hasn't
been
and
it's
time
to
right
the
ship-
and
I
don't
see
that
occurring,
there's
not
enough
votes
to
defer
this
contract
so
that
motion
done
dies.
B
Is
there
a
motion
to
excuse
me
didn't
count
my
own
vote.
Yes,
we
do
have
five
votes.
It's
required
number
to
disapprove
this
contract.
So
obviously
we
go
to
the
cabinet.
Finance
it'll
make
the
final
determination
on,
but
that's
the
end
for
this
particular
item.
B
Next
order
is
consideration:
the
agenda,
including
the
deferred
list,
the
personal
service
contract
list,
psc
amendment
list,
memorandum
of
agreement
list,
memorandum
of
agreement,
amendment
list
and
kentucky's
entertainment
incentive
program
agreement
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review.
Do
we
have
a
motion?
Consider
the
contracts
review
without
objection.
I
B
D
B
D
B
Good
morning
appreciate
you
being
here,
I
request
this
contract
be
pulled
again.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
nature
of
the
contract,
but
just
like
some
discussion,
clarification
on
the
the
note
we
received
regarding
this
and
could
let
me
read
just
a
portion
of
it.
It's
obviously
provide
residential
treatment,
individuals
with
traumatic
brain
injuries
and
requires
one-to-one
staffing,
and
so
the
vendor
is
one
of
three
selected
by
these
services.
B
These
individuals
are
being
served
with
nbr,
which
is
the
vendor
having
been
unable
to
locate
providers
in
kentucky.
Furthermore,
kentucky's
waiver
program
do
not
offer
reimbursement
for
services
such
as
one-on-one
staffing
or
intensive
behavioral
services.
I
guess
that's.
My
first
question
is,
then:
how
are
they
reimbursed.
B
D
I
believe
cesar,
it's,
we
have
one
individual
there
at
this
time.
B
D
It's
the
it's
the
individual
situation,
the
behaviors,
that
this
participant
has
have
not
been
able
he's
not
been
able
to
have
his
level
of
care
met
here
in
kentucky.
B
D
Tried
bringing
this
individual
back
and
he
disrupted
within
two
years,
and
that
that
particular
vendor
is
the
only
one
that
would
take
him
back.
So
we
only
have
one
individual
in
this
facility.
Our
contract
is
that
one
point
1.6
million,
but
we
do
not
pay
that
full
1.6
million
we
pay
just
for
this
particular
individual
services
and
for
the
last
two
years,
the
contract
that's
been
right
around
250
000.
So
that's
all
that
we've.
B
A
B
Aye
motion
carries
and
thank
you
for
being
here
this
morning.
I
know
that
to
pull
away
from
regular
jobs
is
asking
a
whole
lot,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
information.
That's
been
very
educational
for
me,
but
so
thank
you.
Thank.
B
K
E
Thank
you
I
like
to
hear
about
the
cattle
heard
and
I
noticed
in
the
contract.
Maybe
there
are
courses
involved
too,
but
I
don't
see
the
details
of
the
veterinary
services
how
much
they
cost
and
at
least
in
a
lot
of
the
prison
situations.
I've
seen
the
cattle
herds
aren't
nearly
as
big
as
you
think
they
are
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
handle
on.
How
big
are
these
cattle
herds
that
we
need
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
vet
services
in
a
year.
D
Yes
ma'am:
this
is
randy
white
with
us.
Today
we
have
our
departmental
veterinarian
and
some
other
associated
staff
with
the
blackburn
congressional
complex
farm
operations.
Operationally
speaking,
I
can
turn
the
conversation
over
to
them.
They
can
answer
your
technical
and
operational
questions
so
with
that,
mr
truman,
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
explain
the
size
of
the
herd
and
the
need
for
the
the
services
feel
free
to
do
so.
Thank.
H
D
H
Guys,
our
blackbird
herd
of
cattle
there's
around
72
cows
and
three
bulls,
and
hopefully
that
many
calves
each
year,
the
twenty
thousand
dollars,
is
in
excess
of
what
our
veterinary
costs
are.
That
was
a
maximum
where
we
didn't
have
to
go
back
in
and
amend
it.
E
What's
the
actual
cost
that
we've
spent,
let's
say
last
year,
for
example,
yeah
three
minutes:
I
can
answer
that
one!
Okay.
Last
year,
we
spent
a
little
over
four
thousand
dollars
in
veterinary
services
at
blackburn.
B
Other
questions,
yes,
sir.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
being
one
of
the
newbies
on
the
committee.
What
happens
with
the
rest
of
the
money.
D
C
F
B
Most
of
it
approved
by
cochair
cook.
Second,
second,
by
senator
douglas
on
favor
of
the
most
vote
eye,
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
C
B
C
B
G
B
E
Thank
you,
I
feel,
like
we've,
maybe
seen
some
pieces
of
this
before
and
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
how
this
ties
in
because
I
felt
like
we
just
spent
a
bunch
of
arpa
funds
on
regional
consultants,
and
now
we've
got
a
one:
half
million
dollar
out
of
state
consultant.
E
G
Senator
southworth,
chairman
meredith
and
members
of
the
government
contract
review
committee,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
address
the
questions
that
you
have
and
senator
southworth,
you
actually
are
right.
You
have
seen
some
of
this
stuff
before
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that
we
first
were
able
to
hire
our
people
to
work
with
our
colleagues,
our
building
colleagues
and
our
regional
co-ops
across
the
state.
G
So
in
speaking
of
our
regional
co-ops,
you
know
we
have
nine
regions,
regional
co-ops,
that
serve
the
kentucky
department
of
education,
in
fact
that
we're
in
partnership
with,
and
so
it's
actually
not
a
total
out
of
state
contract.
So
we
first
put
our
people
in
place.
Our
highly
skilled
people
in
place
to
work
with
our
647
000
students
and
45
000
staff
members.
Now
we're
asking
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
this.
G
The
last
time
I
was
here
we're
now
asking
the
committee
to
approve
the
tools
and
the
professional
learning
to
help
close
the
academic
and
opportunity
gaps
that
continue
to
plague
not
only
kentucky
students
but
plague
students
across
america.
The
five
most
prevalent
gaps
that
public
education
and
education
in
general
continue
to
face,
and
so
this
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
move
from
admiring
the
data
to
actually
having
the
tools
and
the
real
personal
learning
to
address
these
gaps.
E
Okay,
I'm
looking
at
thank
you
for
this
handout,
I'm
looking
at
page
two
or
the
second
sheet
here.
It
says:
kentucky
student
voice
team.
In
the
middle
of
that
middle
paragraph,
it
says
mobilizing
young
people
around
legislative
advocacy
campaigns.
Okay,
can
you
explain
that?
Because
I
feel
like
we
passed
a
bill
something
about
this
past
year,
where
we're
not
going
to
be
using
the
educational
system
to
create
lobbyists.
G
G
If
that's
what
you're
getting
at
the
student
voice
team
and
the
student
voice
team
represents
the
647
000
students
in
kentucky,
they
created
a
survey
and
they
went
out
and
surveyed
11
000
of
our
students,
who
represent
114
of
the
120
counties
in
kentucky
and
the
reason
I'm
giving
you
all
this,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
whether
it's
your
job
as
politicians
and
our
job
as
educators,
we're
here
for
our
students
and
we're
here
for
our
staff
and
what
was
remarkable,
the
six
themes
that
came
from
the
students
research
again.
G
G
Several
of
the
themes
that
were
derived
from
the
students,
research
really
are
reflected
in
the
six.
The
six
things
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
the
six
things
that
point
to
the
achievement
gap
in
education
right
now,
and
so
I'm
only
giving
you
that
to
say
this
is
not
only
the
voice
of
adults
here
in
kentucky.
This
is
the
divorce
of
students
and
that
staff
and
the
folks
at
kentucky
department
of
education
didn't
have
anything
to
do
with
this
was
student
driven.
These
are
our
students.
G
They
represent
our
647
000
students
and
for
them
to
do
a
research
project
totally
independent
of
of
the
kentucky
department
of
education
and
their
themes
mirror
the
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
is
remarkable.
E
G
E
G
Yes,
it
is,
and
I'll
address
the
time
frame
here
in
a
little
bit.
The
company
is
based
in
texas,
in
fact
they're
here
today,
they're
at
the
sauer
building
today,
working
with
kentucky
staff
and
so
they're
working
one-on-one
with
administrators,
they're,
working
with
counselors
and
teachers
and
we'll
be
working
obviously
with
the
staff
at
the
regional
co-ops.
G
They
collaborate
good
question:
they
collaborate
in
saying
the
agenda.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
did
hand
out
to
you
a
timeline.
It
is
a
three-year
timeline
that
will
cover
their
work
and
I
do
apologize.
I
want
to
give
you
a
copy.
I
only
have
four
copies
so
if
you
could
feel
free
to
share
those
that'll,
be
fantastic.
E
In
final
question,
if
we
didn't
have
the
group
in
texas
leading
our
regional
coordinators,
would
they
have
a
path
forward?
I
don't
understand
the
necessity
of
having
this
group
tell
our
regional
coordinators
what
to
do,
because
I
felt
like
when
we
talked
about
the
regional
coordinators
contracts.
Their
job
was
to
go
and
hunt
down
evidence-based
practices
and
drag
them
in
and
now
we're
talking
about
another
group,
that's
saying
it
to
them.
So
how
many
layers
do
we
need.
G
Another
very
good
question
and
I'm
going
to
ask
dr
damian
sweeney
to
comment
on
that
so
you're,
moving
from
working
with
the
coordinators
and
the
administrative
staff
at
the
co-ops
and
the
three
deib
people
that
we
have
here
at
kde
really
aren't
enough
to
work
one-on-one
with
the
45
000
staff
members.
We
have.
G
This
provides
us
another
opportunity
to
reach
the
most
important
level
and
that's
in
the
classroom
and
that's
the
reason
why
we're
working
with
classroom
teachers
we're
working
with
counselors
we're
working
with
building
principals
and
we're
working
with
superintendents
71
of
our
170
school
districts
have
volunteered
to
take
part
in
this
important
work.
Dr
sweeney.
C
Yes,
so
as
dr
woods
tucker
mentioned,
this
company
is
providing
us
with
tools,
for
instance,
they're
going
to
create
a
needs
assessment
which
each
district
will
be
able
to
fill
out
and
complete
and
based
on
that
needs
assessment.
G
C
Speaking
of
tools,
so
there
will
be
live
coaching
as
we
just
mentioned,
but
there
will
also
be
asynchronous
coaching
so
based
on
the
needs
of
each
each
school
or
district,
and
with
that
asynchronous
coaching.
Educators
can
also
earn
micro
credentials
provided
by
this
vendor,
which
is
a
really
cool
way
of
offering
professional
learning.
E
Mr
chairman,
I
said
that
was
my
last
question.
I
really
don't
have
another
question.
I
just
want
to
wrap
this
up.
I'm
pretty
concerned
on
a
multitude
of
levels.
Here
one
is,
I
think,
we've
heard
for
the
past,
since
I
was
born
that
we're
on
the
cusp
of
the
most
amazing
thing
in
education
in
kentucky
and
frankly,
I
don't
always
get
as
excited
when
I
look
down
the
pike
and
see
we
didn't
get
where
we
wanted
to
go
on
a
number
of
levels.
E
Layers
here
that
are
involved,
I
feel
like
evidence-based
practices
from
the
coast
is
not
exactly
the
experience
I've
had
in
kentucky,
and
I
can
say
that,
because
I
was
born
on
the
coast,
my
mom
was
in
military,
but
I've
moved
to
kentucky,
and
I
understand
the
culture
is
totally
different
here,
I'm
just
not
that
interested
in
coast
based
national
organizations,
helping
us
infuse
kentucky
with
what
they
think
is
the
most
important
thing.
I
think
we're
talking
about
a
little
bit
of
a
cycle
here
where
what
the
teachers
teach
is
what
students
learn.
E
F
F
One
of
the
things
we
need
to
do
in
our
whole
general
assembly
and
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
is
change.
The
narrative
I
want
to
start
out
by
saying
we're
not
we're
not
politicians,
we're
legislators
and
we
need
to
start
we
we,
we
think
that
way
and
we'd
like
for
our
public.
The
folks
are
electing
us
to
think
that
same
way,
we're
here
to
represent
the
people
of
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
F
We've
got
to
change
the
narrative
number
two.
How
much
of
this.
F
G
It's
not
your
misunderstanding.
That
was
the
whole
purpose
as
to
why
I
passed
out
the
revised
handout
because
the
committee
having
to
interview
various
vendors
and
it
was
an
extremely
rigorous
process
and
getting
the
timeline
together
and
I'm
sure
you
all
have
seen
you
see
plenty
of
contracts
where
the
timeline
has
been
pushed
back,
and
so
that
was
the
initial.
G
What
we
handed
out
was
the
initial
timeline
in
which
we
should
have
started
back
in
the
fall,
and
so
we
have
three
years
to
to
spend
those
funds
and
what
I've
passed
out
to
you
all
and
maybe
senator
douglas,
maybe
you've
received
it
or
not.
You've
not
received
the
updated
timeline.
Dr
sweeney,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that?
Please.
C
Yes,
so
I
can
I'd
like
to
address
a
couple
of
things.
First
off
you
spoke
about
legislators
versus
politicians,
which
I
appreciated.
You
saying
that
you're
here
to
represent
the
people
of
kentucky
and
we
are
as
well.
You
know
as
as
we
all
know,
there
are
many
inequities
in
our
state.
That's
what
the
students
have
found.
C
That's
what
we're
seeing
consistently
across
the
state-
and
this
helps
address
those
inequities
and
really
point
our
educators
in
the
right
direction,
based
on
needs
that
they've
already
identified
and
that
are
evidence-based,
not
just
from
the
coast,
but
nationally
evidence-based
research
using
nationally
evidence-based
research,
which
is
incredible
to
me.
So
we
are
addressing
the
needs
of
our
students
here
in
kentucky,
which
is
exciting.
C
Now,
as
for
the
timeline
as
dr
woods
tucker
mentioned,
we
went
through
an
extremely
rigorous
rfp
process
and
interviewed
several
vendors
to
ensure
that
we
got
the
best
vendor
vendor
for
our
educators
and
students
to
ensure
that
we
were
going
to
meet
the
goals
of
this
rfp,
and
we
found
that
to
me
again.
It
doesn't
matter
if
that
vendor
is
from
here
or
there.
We
decided
that
this
was
the
best
vendor
to
accomplish
the
goals
for
our
students
and
educators.
C
So
what
you're
have
what
you
see
here
is
in
year
one
they
will
help
identify
different
needs
assessments.
They
will
help
us
disaggregate
the
data
and
then
they
will
help
us
create
different
rubrics,
for
instance,
a
rubric
on
policies.
C
C
K
If
I
could
just
jump
in
this
is
karen
worth,
that
is
an
up
to
amount.
D
K
D
C
G
And
thanks
karen,
that
was
the
point
that
I
was
going
to
make
to
go
along
with
why
we
pushed
the
timeline
back
again.
It's
up
to
that
amount,
but
it
will
be,
will
not
be
1.4
million
dollars
in
a
30-day
period.
Again,
that's
why
we
have
extended
the
the
timeline
for
year,
one
year
two
and
year,
three.
F
My
concern
for
this
is,
I
don't.
I
don't
see
the
word
parents
in
here
anyplace.
We
talk
about
all
the
things
our
educators
are
doing.
All
our
educators
are
doing.
All
our
educators
are
doing.
My
lovely
wife
taught
school
for
38
years.
F
She
even
started
a
school
for
special
needs,
kids,
which
she
ran
for
15
years,
so
I'm
intimately
involved
in
in
how
a
lot
of
this
works,
but
my
one
concern
that
that
I
have
consistently
is
what
we're
doing
for
the
educational
system
and
what
we're
not
doing
for
our
families,
which
includes
parents.
F
So
I'd
like
to
see
some
of
this
talked
about
at
some
point
in
the
future.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
mr
mr
chairman.
G
Senator
douglas,
I
greatly
appreciate
that
senator
southworth
early
in
the
comments
made
reference
to
the
coordinators
that
we've
hired
to
work
with
our
regional
coops
again
across
the
state,
and
one
of
those
that
you
all
contract
that
you
did
approve
is
a
parent
and
community
engagement
coordinator
to
do
exactly
what
you
just
talked
about.
B
Motion
by
co-chair
cook
is
there
a
second.
I
B
Second,
by
representative
mentor,
all
this
fear
the
motion
to
approve
wrote.
I
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
F
B
B
Motion
fails.
We
lack
one
vote,
but
the
contract
proceeds
forward
to
the
cabinet
finance
firm.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Next
item
is
thank
you
for
being
here
this
morning
appreciate
your
participation
appreciate.
The
education.
B
Next
item
is
department
of
education,
also
contract
number
75,
tcb
consulting
if
representatives
department,
education
here
speaking
on
this
contract,
please
come
forward,
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
I
would
respectfully
ask
our
committee
members.
We
got
a
lot
of
contracts
yet
to
cover.
Let's
try
to
be
as
concise
as
we
can
be
in
our
questions
and
summaries.
We
need
to
move
on.
I
have
no
interest
in
being
here
until
until
noon,
we
need
to
move.
K
D
And
community
school
and
community
nutrition
and
I'm
faith
corbin
and
I'm
the
administrative
review
section
supervisor
with
school
and
community
nutrition
at
the
kentucky
department
of
education.
B
Thank
you
for
being
here
this
morning.
Senator
southworth
has
questions
regarding
this
contract.
E
Thank
you,
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
emails
from
constituents.
I
think
there's
like
news
flying
around
about
how
school
lunches
might
have
other
issues
going
on
as
far
as
being
able
to
receive
the
funding,
I'm
wondering
if
this
consulting
contract
is
going
to
be
helping
with
that
or
how
we're
going
to
whatever
these
federal
regulations
are
around
school
lunches.
D
Yes,
ma'am,
I
think
what
you're
referring
to
are
waivers,
that
our
school
districts
have
been
under
through
kovit
for
the
past
two
plus
years.
There
were
waivers
in
place
for
the
past
two
plus
years
that
allowed
students
to
eat
at
no
cost
our
the
waivers
end
on
june
30th
of
this
year,
and
I
think
that's
likely
what
you've
heard.
D
Who
were
hoping
that
those
waivers
extended
beyond
june
30th,
this
particular
vendor,
isn't
isn't
a
part
of
that?
This
is
a
vendor
that
we've
had
in
place
that
assists
with
required
reviews
for
our
national
school
lunch
and
school
breakfast
programs.
So
they
we
have
review
staff
internally,
but
this
vendor
helps
us
to
do
required.
Reviews
for.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
representative.
Hart.
I've
made
a
motion
senator
douglas
made,
the
second
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
vote.
I
all
opposed
vote
no
clark.
Please
call
the
row.
B
A
B
Please
allow
me
to
dva
for
the
agenda,
because
we've
got
some
kind
time
constraints
we're
working
under
I'd
like
to
move
to
the
next
items
on
the
pool
list
being
the
department
of
public
health,
because
they've
got
a
meeting
coming
up
very
soon
and
it
is
number
212
on
the
routine
moa
pink
list
and
43
on
the
moa
50
and
under
gray
list.
So
representatives
for
the
department,
public
health
are
available.
Please
identify
yourself
for
a
record
looks
like
live
and
in
person
great.
E
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
look
at
pink,
212.
First,
we're
talking
about
covid
testing
in.
I
think
it's
in
prisons,
from
what
I
can
tell
here,
are
we
still
doing
covet
testing
in
prisons?
Haven't
we
had
like
five
or
more
variants,
and
I
mean
I'm
not
really
sure
how
we're
testing
for
anything
at
this
point
everything's
just
kind
of
out
there?
E
D
E
B
B
E
J
I
Yes,
please
I'm
voting.
Yes,
I'm
not
sure
why
anybody's
not
voting
yes,
prisoners
do
not
have
the
liberty
to
stay
away
from
each
other
in
very
close
quarters.
This
is
solid
public
health
practice
based
on
cdc
guidelines
and
and
basic
humanity.
So
I
vote
yes.
Thank
you.
D
E
B
E
E
Now
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
why
we
need
a
worker
dedicated
a
health
worker
dedicated
to
one
high
school's
lgbtq
population
sounds
like
a
very
small
segment
compared
to
I
mean
I
underst
spanish
speaking,
makes
sense
because
people
can't
speak
the
language.
I
mean
there's
a
barrier,
but
I
don't
know
what
the
barrier
would
be
to
this
one
minutia
group
in
one
high
school
so.
D
Thank
you
for
that
question.
This
is
a
a
new
model
of
expansion
into
a
high
school
for
the
first
time,
and
it's
with
takes
creek
high
school
and
apparently
the
data
identified
within
that
population
within
that
school
said
this
was
a
need.
They
were
saying
that
students
that
identified
themselves
under
that
lgbtq
umbrella
were
experiencing
certain
stigmatization
and
other
issues
that
were
preventing
them
from
having
access
to
care
and
other
wraparound
services
that
they
saw
that
these
students
and
these
families
needed.
D
E
D
Have
school
nurses
we
do,
but
sometimes
you
you
have
to
have
that
other
community
person
that
that's
from
the
same
culture
environment,
same
person
that
they
can
identify
someone
that
they
feel
confident
in
and
that
community
health
worker
has
proven
to
be.
That
conduit
has
proven
to
be
that
connector.
D
So
we're
hopefully
identifying
these
chws
not
only
in
our
schools
but
across
the
commonwealth,
to
be
those
connectors
to
other
health
and
social
services
needed.
So.
E
E
My
final
comment
is
basically
thanks
for
the
information,
but
I'm
gonna
have
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
where
all
we're
putting
people
and
how
we're
putting
people,
because
I
feel
like
there's
gonna
end
up
a
whole
lot
of
duplication
between.
We
don't
have
school
nurses,
so
we're
gonna
get
community
health
workers,
but
we're
going
to
get
one
for
the
lgbtq
people
as
one
high
school.
E
But
nobody
else
is
going
to
have
a
community
health
worker
or
maybe
I'm
confused,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
how
we're
spending
our
tax
dollars
and
not
be
duplicating
and
not
be
narrowing
the
focus
so
much
that
you're
only
serving
one
little
tiny
group
of
people.
I
just
I'm
concerned
that
we're
not
really
covering
the
bases
here.
I
understand
trying
to
pick
up
the
pieces
and
go
through
the
cracks,
but
I
don't
see
where
this
is
exactly
necessary
and
just
the
tax
money
that's
going
to
be
spent
after
june.
E
B
Well,
to
that
end,
ladies,
the
effective
dates
shows
may
11
22
june
30
of
2022.
D
So,
within
that
time
frame
that
the
timeline
presented
by
health
first
bluegrass
was
to
hire
someone
recruit,
get
them
trained
within
that
time
period
and
then,
with
the
next
contract
in
the
next
fiscal
year,
that
person
would
start
doing
the
actual
community
work.
So
there's
learning
the
electronic
health
record.
There's
learning
their
system,
there's
actually
additional
trainings,
there's
certification
for
our
chws
in
this
state
that
they
have
to
go
through.
So
that's
a
process
that
they'll
start
within
that
time
frame.
B
K
All
be
spent,
there
will
be
a
new
contract
for
july,
one
that
starts
yes,
that
will
become
will
come
before
the
committee
as.
B
K
I'm
not
aware
the
dollar
amount
on
that,
but
yes,
so
it's
up
to
21
000.
I
guess
it's
the
best
way
so.
K
B
Senator
salford,
I
certainly
appreciate
your
position.
I
think
this
does
raise
several
questions.
I
think
we
only
only
have
two
opportunities
at
this
point.
One
is
to
request
referral
of
the
contract,
but
it
looks
like
it's
in
in
motion.
The
other
option
would
be
to
either
approve
or
disprove
the
contract.
At
this
point,.
B
C
I
No
and
just
a
brief
explanation
of
my
vote,
this
is
really
speaking
to
the
piece
you're
going
to
bring
forward
in
july.
Again.
Thank
you
for
doing
this
outreach
and
my
two
school
districts
in
warren
county
have
30
different
languages
spoken.
We
are
a
refugee
intake
area
and
bravo
on
what
you're
doing
I'd
love
to
see
more
of
it
as
funds
allow,
because
there
are
lots
of
large
groups
that
could
certainly
use
this
use.
I
B
Next
item
on
our
pool
list,
we'll
go
back
to
the
the
original
agenda
here
is
kentucky
lottery
corporation
is
number
194
on
a
routine
psc
green
list.
If
representatives
for
kentucky
lottery
facilities,
excuse
me
excuse
me,
obviously
very
disjointed
today.
B
B
E
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
know
we've
heard
a
lot
about
a
project
coming
and
we've
gotten,
not
that
many
details
and
now
I've
last
year
so
started
to
become
aware
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
p3
project
and
it
looks
like
we're
getting
a
p3
consultant,
which
I
strongly
recommend
consultants
when
you're
getting
into
a
p3,
but
I
also
hesitate
with
p3.
So
could
you
speak
to
the
project?
D
Of
preliminary
events
and
that's
what
the
consultant
is
for
the
department,
our
department
identified
a
list
of
preliminary
works
and
it
came
up
to
that
to
an
amount
that
was
authorized
in
the
2020.
D
B
B
E
I'm
voting
I
because
I
do
think
we
need
to
have
extreme
expertise
when
we're
dealing
with
these
type
of
projects,
but
also
these
type
of
projects
really
concern
me.
I
don't
want
it
to
be
taken
as
a
an
approval
of
a
grand
p3
scheme
that
puts
us
plunges
us
into
a
giant
multi-long-term
situation,
then
we're
holding
the
bag
20
years
from
now
so,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
have
a
lot
of
eyes
on
this.
That
know
what
to
talk
about,
and
that's
why
I'm
voting.
Yes,.
B
Aye
motion
carries
miss
linton.
Mr
collins
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
get
through
this
now
back
to
item
number
194
on
a
routine
psc.
This
is
with
the
kentucky
lottery
corporation.
If
those
representatives
are
here
which
I
believe
they
are.
Thank
you
for
stepping
forward
and
appreciate
you
identifying
yourself
for
the
record.
E
Thank
you.
I
see
here
that
it
says
we
haven't
done
this
in
14
years,
but
it's
also
a
renewal
contract
that
we've
had
and
it
could
be
up
to
like
five
years
or
something
so
can
you
speak
to
why
the
cost
is
an
every
year
thing
and
yet
we
haven't
done
it
in
14
years.
I
feel
like
the
scope
of
the
project.
E
K
They
also
helped
us
with
return
to
work
strategies
as,
as
we
all
know,
with
the
pandemic
and
returning
to
the
workplace.
So
this
time
around,
we
are
going
to
have
a
more
thorough
compensation
study
that
was
conducted
the
14
or
15
years
ago.
So
it's
more
where
they
will
look
at
several
roles
in
the
organization,
the
rest
of
our
roles,
besides
the
the
executive
team.
So
it
has
not.
It
was
not
done
last
year,
so
it
would
be
the
project,
that's
done
going
forward
and
then
again
commonly.
K
E
K
B
B
E
B
A
J
D
B
D
Yes,
thank
you
chairman
tony
shrek,
with
the
kentucky
state,
fair
board,
I'm
the
chief
finance
officer.
B
Thank
you
for
being
here,
and
I
pulled
this
contract
may
not
be
a
surprise
to
you.
If
you
know
anything
about
the
history
of
this
committee
and
quite
truthfully,
I
don't
have
any
questions
other
than
just.
I
guess
a
public
reprimand
that
I
don't
like
retroactive
approves
of
contract.
I
appreciate
the
explanation
you
gave
us
in
our
packet.
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
initiative
to
make
the
corrections
to
your
processes
needed
to
make
sure
this
doesn't
happen
again,
but
I
don't
think
no
crime
goals
unpunished
and
mcgowan
muhammad.
B
He
had
his
seven
deadly
sins.
I've
added
the
eighth
and
that's
a
retroactive
approval
of
contracts
and
we've
always
had
a
great
relationship.
Kentucky
state,
fair
board.
I
think
we've
given
you
folks,
great
latitude
in
the
past
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
latitude
is
not
taken
for
granted
in
when
these
things
are
not
given
priority.
It
concerns
me
greatly
that
getting
legislative
approval
should
be
one
of
the
first
things
we
do
not
the
last
thing
we
do,
but
again
I
think
you've
been
sufficiently
chastised
and
hope.
B
B
B
B
Thank
you
ma'am
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning
and
I'll
be
very
straightforward
with
this
one.
Don't
always
your
time
don't
want
to
mess
committee's
time,
but
I
have
a
real
aversion
to
contracts
with
companies
from
california
because
they
take
action
to
boycott
city,
kentucky's
economy,
and
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
substance
of
the
contract.
H
I
We
heard
you
and
we
actually,
on
the
rfp,
tried
to
cast
a
wider
net.
We
had
six
responses
on
one
of
the
contracts.
None
of
them
were
from
the
state
of
kentucky.
Unfortunately,
we
have
been
advised
that
stratagen
is
moving
their
headquarters
out
of
the
state
of
california.
K
So
for
for
what
that's
worth,
but
we
did
hear
you
and
I.
K
I
B
B
B
B
A
D
I'm
voting
yes,
but
can
I
explain,
make
a
real
brief
comment?
Most.
D
I
have
the
same
aversion
to
california
contracts,
senator
meredith,
but
I'm
voting
yes
based
on
the
information
of
them
they
moving
out
of
the
country.
Thank
you.
B
D
C
E
Thank
you.
The
first
thing
I
saw
here
was
that
we
were
going
to
be
renewing
a
contract,
but
then
it
said
we're
going
to
help
guide,
kentucky
and
adopting
the
next
gen
9-1-1,
and
I'm
was
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of.
Is
this
a
kind
of
a
one-time
lead
us
in,
or
is
this
a
constant
stream,
and
so
I'm
looking
again
now
at
the
hourly
rates
for
these
folks
that
are
all
the
staff
on
this
project
177
206
hour?
E
Those
are
rates
that
are
above
what
we
typically
even
allow
our
attorneys
and
I'm
just
wanting
to
get
a
better
handle
on
people
that
are
project
managers
and
consultants
for
dhs
or
whatever
is
going
on
here.
How
do
we?
E
C
C
That
company,
the
consulting
part
of
that
company,
was
bought
out
by
mission
critical
partners,
and
we
were
fortunate
to
keep
our
primary
staff
assigned
through
that
project.
He
was
a
kentucky
native
was
the
director
of
the
lexington
9-1-1
office
and
is
now
a
louisville
resident
and
as
far
as
the
rates
go,
this
is
the
transition
from
kentucky's
legacy
9-1-1
network
to
next
generation.
9-1-1
is
incredibly
complex.
It
involves
network
engineering,
I.t
professionals,
people
who
are
highly
knowledgeable
in
geographic
information
systems,
which
is
the
the
foundation
of
nextgen
9-1-1.
It
is
a
multi-multi-year
effort.
C
E
I
appreciate
that
and
I
have
a
good
respect
for
the
I.t
world
when
they
are
experts
and
they
know
what
they're
doing
I've
just
experienced
where
they
say
they're,
experts
and
they're
sitting
around
and
I'm
not
entirely
sure
they
know
a
whole
lot
of
what
they're
doing
and
I'd
really
trying
to
watch
out
for
that
with
a
number
of
people
here,
all
making
the
same
amount
of
money
it
concerns
me,
are
they
all
experts
or
they
all
study
arounders?
So
thank
you
for
the
explanation
appreciate
it.
B
B
H
C
F
B
B
Thanks,
sir,
all
of
you
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning
and
if
you've
been
tuned
into
this,
you
probably
guess
what
I
call
this
contract
to
pull
this
contract
and
again
it's
with
a
firm
from
california
which
I'm
not
interested
in
retaining,
given
that
california
won't
support
our
economy.
So
I
really
don't
have
any
questions,
sorry
and
convince
you
folks,
but
my
version
this
again
because
it's
a
california
based
contract,
unless
you
guys
have
something
to
add
to
that,
then
we'll
try
to
move
on.
D
Senator
I
I
believe
the
highest
ranked
vendor
here
that
was
awarded
the
contract
is
a
firm
out
of
california.
We
did
issue
an
rfp
for
these
services.
We
had
several
respondents,
the
team
went
through
and,
of
course,
scored
those
respondents,
and
again
this
was
the
highest
ranked
vendor
after
that
process.
B
B
B
Thank
you.
I
have
questions
as
a
center
southworth
and
you
can
probably
I
guess
first
another
questions
comments.
California
based
contract,
which
you've
heard
testimony,
but
the
other
is
that
we're
maintaining
a
a
classification
system
that
was
obviously
put
in
place
in
1982.
K
Well,
first
of
all,
we
have
contracted
with
corn
ferry
since
1977
and
on
and
it's
not
a
review
of
a
1982
classification
system
and
that
classification
system
has
been
reviewed
continuously
every
seven
to
ten
years,
and
that
is
at
the
rec.
That
is
standard
recommendation
from
our
vendor.
And
what
was
your
second
question?
I'm
sorry.
K
80
000
is
that
that
is
used
for
training
of
new
staff,
because
it
is
on
corn
ferries
methodology
they
own
that
you
know
the
commonwealth
has
used
that,
like
I
said
since
1977,
and
so
anytime,
we
have
turnover
and
staff,
they
will
come
and
train
our
staff
for
that,
in
addition
to
that,
they
will
often
evaluate
a
benchmark
set
of
our
jobs
to
ensure
with
industry
standards
and
that
we
are
compensating
appropriately
and
that
we
are
point
factoring
appropriately
based
upon
their
methodology,
which
then
equates
to
grades
on
our
compensation
schedule.
E
Thank
you,
so
personnel
cabinet
is
who
is
doing
this
from
what
I
can
tell,
and
they
have
a
job
classification
branch
area.
Forget
the
name
of
it
that
reviews
all
the
job
classifications
makes
adjustments
all
kinds
of
stuff,
and
there
is
supposed
to
be.
I
thought
there
was
coming
out
last
year,
apparently
there's
going
to
be
now
this
year.
E
I
think
we've
pushed
them
in
legislation
this
year
to
get
a
study
together
of
all
of
our
pay
grades,
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff
in
corn,
ferry,
apparently
has
been
around
for
decades,
and
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
is
our
staff
doing
this?
Are
we
contracting
out
to
corn
ferry?
Are
they
involved
in
this
new
study
that
we're
doing
or
are
they
duplicating
pieces
of
the
study
that
we've
commissioned
now
or
how
do
they
fit
into
all
this.
K
Well,
I
do
plan
to
come
on
july
6
and
testify
on
the
compensation
report,
but
based
upon
this
contract,
they
are
a
vendor
that
we
utilize
for
assistance
when
our
staff
needs
it
to
have
maybe
another
set
of
eyes
or
if
there
is
a
new,
maybe
a
new
series
that
we
need
additional
assistance
on
then
they
will
be
able
to
do
that
or
if
we
need
help.
If
there's
a
bandwidth
issue
that
then
they
can
come
in
at
that
point
and
also
do
job
evaluations
with
us
as
well.
E
K
Methodology
is
point
factoring
based,
and
so
there
is
various
factors
of
each
job,
whether
it's
education,
experience,
environment,
discretion,
level
of
authority.
All
of
those
things
equate
to
you
know
a
point
on
their
their
system
and
then,
which
then
correlates
to
a
grade
on
our
compensation
schedule.
K
It
is
going
to
be
various
recommendations
that
we
are
going
to
bring
to
the
table.
Of
course,
one
of
those
is
going
to
be
on
the
job
evaluation
review
in
which
we
use
their
methodology.
E
Okay,
that
sounds
really
good
on
paper,
and
I
appreciate
your
answers.
Mr
chairman,
our
state
personnel
system
is
a
lot
deeper
in
treble
than
what
it
sounds
like
for
eighty
thousand
dollar
contract
to
get
second
pair
of
eyes,
the
pay
grade
system
and
between
that
and
the
ace
awards
and
everything
else
that's
gone
on.
Some
people
have
gotten
colas
and
some
haven't
I'm
just
really
unimpressed
with
the
with
the
the
rigor
of
the
work
I've
been.
E
I
don't
think
I
suppose
this
isn't
a
bad
thing,
but
at
the
same
time
I'm
not
sure
it's
helping
us
because
we're
in
the
place
we're
in
and
we
had
to
commission
a
special
study,
I'm
not
sure
that
continuing
on
the
same
path
is
necessarily
the
way
it
needs
to
go,
especially
if
it's
copyrighted
or
whatever,
and
we
got
to
keep
the
same
vendor
around.
That
has
not
helped
us
out
of
the
problem
we've
gotten
into
over
the
last
two
or
more
decades.
So
I
don't
know
exactly
what
to
do
here.
B
Well,
I
certainly
share
your
concerns,
appreciate
your
comments
and
you
know
when
you're
married
to
a
system
for
now
going
almost
50
years
without
the
critical
analysis
of
it,
a
critical
review
of
it.
I
have
to
admit
I
I
share
the
same
concern
so
again.
What
we're
faced
with
today
is
either
approved
or
disapproval
of
this
contract.
So
with
that,
is
there
a
motion.
E
I
would
move
to
approve
and
I
would
just
put
out
there
that
we
need
to
not
be
approving
this
again
in
two
years.
We
need
to
prove
it
today,
so
we
can
make
a
transition
period,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
get
ourselves
out
of
this
and
with
the
study
this
summer.
Hopefully
that
will
launch
us
into
that
world.
Thank
you.
That's
emotional
proof.
B
F
D
Let
me
explain
my
vote
once
again:
it's
going
to
be
a
no
vote
and,
with
the
same
theme,
the
state
of
california
several
years
ago
put
the
state
of
kentucky
on
a
no
business
list.
They
wouldn't
let
any
of
their
personnel
come
and
do
business
with
us
and
until
we're
removed
from
that
list,
I
will
consistently
vote
no
on
all
california
contracts,
except
for
the
exception
that
was
noted
earlier.
So
I
vote
no.
H
B
J
B
Good
to
see
you,
if
you
would
from
the
record,
please
identify
yourself
and
I'm.
B
Oh,
it's
good
to
have
you.
Thank
you
here.
Mr
central
southwest
has
a
question
regarding
contract
409.
E
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
my
issue
here
as
I'm
looking
at
how
we're
spending
tax
dollars,
110
000
is
going
to
lobbying
group.
Now
there
are
a
lot
of
ethics
requirements
around
legislators,
lobbyists,
money
and
all
this
other
stuff,
and
this
just
feels
really
wrong.
It's
felt
wrong
to
me
for
a
long
time,
but
here
is
a
chance
to
say
for
us
to
be
approving
our
money
that
we're
supposed
to
be
a
watchdog
of
to
send
to
a
lobbyist
that
we
wouldn't
be
allowed
to
go
to
lunch
with
than
to
have
them.
E
Spend
the
money
back
on
staff
to
send
us
emails
to
say,
come
sit
in
our
derby
boxes.
I
mean
there's
just
this
whole
thing
starts
getting
really
weird
and
I
wanted
to
find
out
if
there's
any
way,
why
not?
Why
does
the
university
of
louisville
not
have
a
staff
person
that
can
be
the
head
honcho
that
comes
up
here
and
tells
us
what's
going
on
at
uofl
and
what
you
need,
and
you
know
it
would
clear
out
so
many
ethics
concerns,
because,
for
example,
under
the
open
records
act
agency
to
agency,
we
can
just
communicate.
E
We
don't
have
all
these
barriers
between
us,
so
is
that
something
that
uofl
could
consider
or
what's
been
the
reason
why
we're
going
to
do
this.
J
So
you're
talking
about
a
contract
that
basically
is
a
54
000
a
year
which
trying
to
find
somebody
with
the
expertise
of
a
firm
like
mccarthy,
which
we
again
did
an
rfp
and
all
the
respondents
were
from
kentucky,
thankfully,
but
for
that
cost
we're
having
a
difficult
time
in
staffing.
J
You
know
people
in
procurement
everywhere
it's
a
common
problem
now
and
we
get
the
expertise
that
mccarthy
has
nine
people
in
their
their
company
and
I
jotted
down
shannon
can't
be
here
today.
She
is
our
one
and
only
government
relation
government
relations
staff
person.
So
she
provided
me
with
notes
saying
that
they
assist
our
government
relations
staff.
That's
shannon
and
she's
in
northern
kentucky
with
our
president
right
now.
J
We
simply
don't
have
the
breadth
of
scope
to
have
her
deal
with
all
the
opportunities
that
we
see
on
our
doorstep
and
mccarthy's
brought
those
to
us.
It's
state
and
local
predominantly,
and
it's
essential
to
deal
with
things
like
health
care
and
tax
issues,
and
just
in
the
last
year,
I'm
proud
to
say
this
really
with
a
lot
of
pride,
they
helped
us
get
a
six
million
dollar
allocation
from
metro
council
for
our
in
government.
J
Our
environment
institute
they've
helped
us
with
our
state
budget
65
million
dollars
in
support
to
build
our
next
speed
engineering
building
and
a
center
for
military
connected
study,
100
hundred
thousand
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
just
been
in
one
year's
time,
and
so
again
I
I
agree
with
you.
Could
we
please
hire
somebody
and
we
would
really
like
to
and
shannon,
and
we
all
would
eagerly
do
that,
but
we
simply
at
the
54
thousand
dollars
and
another
thousand
dollars
for
gas
travel
and
expenses.
J
So
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
a
year.
This
is
our
best
opportunity
to
continue
to
use
them.
They
have
kept
their
rates
consistent
with
us
for
the
past
eight
years.
We
did
an
rfp
like
I
said,
and
we
have
the
terms
and
conditions
for
renewal
that
you
have
to
stay
with
the
same
terms,
conditions
and
pricing,
and
so
it's
been
a
very
good
investment.
We
hope
that
you'll
understand.
E
Well,
thank
you.
I
do
understand
from
your
perspective,
how
that
makes
the
most
sense.
Mr
chairman,
from
from
my
perspective,
we
are
a
body.
E
E
Perhaps
the
universities
could
get
together
pool
resources
and
have
their
own
little
lobbying
group,
like
these
people,
have
nine
staff.
Well,
all
the
universities
could
pay
in
their
50
000
and
maybe
we'd
have
a
really
good,
dedicated,
knowledgeable
group
or
somehow
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
get
this
away
from
the
ethics
world
problems
and
get
it
back
into
the
public's
hands.
So
we
don't
have
I
mean
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
talk
to
your
staff.
Honestly
mccarthy
is
not
usually
welcome
in
my
office
because
of
the
ethics
issues.
E
They
they
trap
way
over
the
line
most
of
the
time,
and
so
I
I
would
appreciate
when
I
hear
from
uofl
staff
when
I
get
a
lobbyist,
email
kind
of
goes
off
the
side
unless
it's
something
really
really
important.
So
just
so
you
know,
you
know
that's
my
perspective,
but
there
again,
I'm
not
the
person
moving
millions
of
dollars
around.
You
know
behind
the
curtains,
so
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
for
to
consider
just
get
creative
if
you
can
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
Have
a
comment:
I'd
like
to
correct
the
record
here
and
again
someone
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
lobbyists
cannot
give
to
candidates,
they
cannot
give
to
caucus
funds.
We
don't
we
don't
receive
that.
That's
that's
not
correct
and
I'd
like
to
get
that
on
the
record.
I
don't
want
the
public
to
think
that
anybody
up
here
is
taking
campaign
contributions
from
registered
lobbyists,
which
is
illegal
or
from
firms
that
do
registered
lobbying
and
then
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
I
I
I
was
I
thank
you.
I
apologize
in
my
previous
life.
I
was
the
faculty
region
on
the
wku
board
of
regents,
and
I
hear
exactly
what
you're
saying
we
had
one
person
robin
taylor
who's
now
working
for
senator
mcconnell.
We
then
added
another
person,
jennifer
smith,
who
is
our
current,
very
excellent
government
relations
person.
But
it's
an
overwhelming
amount
of
work
and
wku
does
not
have
a
hot
does
not
have
a
medical
school.
It
does
not
have
a
hospital,
it
doesn't
have
a
law
school.
I
I
mean
you
know
a
lot
of
things
that
add
much
more
complicating
things
to
to
the
apparatus.
So
I
you
know
I
I
understand
your
point
completely
and
this
seems
to
fall
into
the
same
category.
I
was
on
the
board
when
we
hired
an
internal
auditor-
and
there
were
some
people
gave
pushback
said
I
don't
know
why.
We
need
internal
audit
and
someone
on
the
board,
who
was
an
accountant,
said:
internal
audit
pays
for
itself,
you'll
be
shocked
at
how
quickly
it
will,
and
this
certainly
seems
to
do
so
as
well.
I
So
again,
from
the
university
perspective,
I
want
to
share
with
my
colleagues
how
impossible
it
would
be
for
an
organism
as
large
as
a
research
university
to
have
a
person
who
would
make
a
lot
more
than
that
fifty
four
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
do
that
job.
This
is
actually
a
much
better
deal
for
the
taxpayers
and
I
think
many
people
recognize
thank
you.
D
D
I
understand
the
ethical
concerns
that's
been
raised
today,
but
also
understand
good
investment.
When
you
can
get
the
work
of
nine
people
at
the
price
of
fifty
four
thousand
dollars
a
year.
You
could
never
hire
one
person
to
do
this
job
for
that
and
based
on
the
information
that
you
brought
forward,
the
investment
is
very
well.
D
We
we've
come
out
on
not
only
the
university
of
louisville,
because
it
is
a
public
university,
but
the
commonwealth
has
come
out
on
the
on
the
better
end
of
the
deal
and-
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
aware-
and
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of
the
ethical
issues
that's
been
raised,
but
we
also
need
to
be
aware
of
the
good
investment
that
was
made.
So
with
that,
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
contract.
I
B
D
B
D
I
vote
I,
you
know
every
every
company
out
there
usually
has
to
contract
out
for
some
kind
of
services.
I
know
on
my
farm
I
contract
out
the
mowing.
It
is
cheaper
for
me
to
have
somebody
come
in
and
do
that
service
they're
experts
at
it
they
come
in
with
a
huge
force
they
roll
in.
They
knock
it
out,
keeps
the
farm
looking
good.
It's
the
same
thing
with
these
contracts
and
louisville
university
of
louisville
would
actually
be
doing
a
disservice
by
not
having
it
because
we've
all
sit
up
there
in
these
chairs.
D
We've
all
had
different
bills
that
are
being
worked
on
and
there's
a
big
difference
when
a
bill
that's
being
out
there
supported
by
the
lobbyists
that
come
through,
they
know
how
to
they
know
how
to
come
in
here.
They
know
how
to
address.
They
know
how
to
put
the
talking
points
together
and
there's
a
large
difference
between
bills
and
between
when
you're
trying
to
get
something
taken.
D
Care
of
there's
a
large
difference
between
stuff
that
is
supported
and
comes
in,
and
it's
professional
and
well
put
together
and
university
of
louisville
would
not
be
doing
their
due
diligence
if
they
did
not
have
that
service
out
there,
because
there's
a
large
difference
between
those
who
have
it
and
those
don't
and
the
effectiveness
of
that.
So
I
vote.
I.
B
I
vote
explain
my
vote
very
briefly,
ms
eisen
and
I
were
discussing
earlier
about
the
spirit
of
senator
horback
as
alive
and
well
in
this
committee
that
he
would
always
object
to
these
contracts,
because
you
know
we're
looking
for
a
perfect
world.
B
There
is
no
such
thing,
and
central
hormone's
comment
always
was
that
he
would
hope
that
we'd
have
the
relationship
that
you
feel
free
to
come
to
any
of
us
at
any
time
to
talk
about
any
concern,
but
against
138
legislators
we
know
that's
virtually
impossible,
but
we
wish
we
did
have
that
kind
of
relationship
and
strictly
from
a
business
standpoint.
This
makes
sense
to
do.
I
think
we
all
say
there's
a
better
way
but
financially
feasible.
No,
probably
not
and
mccarthy
is
a
group
does
do
good
work.
B
We
all
acknowledge
that
and
you
folks
do
as
well.
I
can't
say
enough
good
things
about
shannon,
but
she
is
one
person
so
philosophically
yeah
uneasy
with
it,
but
from
a
business
standpoint
it
makes
sense.
So
again,
I
will
die.
Also
motion
carries
contract
moves
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning,
next
item
on
our
pulled
list
is
personal
service
contract
number,
438,
west
kentucky
university
and
I
believe
they're
participating
via
zoom.
D
B
Morning,
good
morning,
always
good
to
hear
from
folks
in
bowling
green
and
go
toppers
center
southwest
has
a
question
regarding
438
sentence.
Outworth.
E
E
Now
I've
not
been
on
this
committee
longer
than
I've
been
a
senator,
but
I
have
not
seen
a
six
and
a
half
million
dollar
architectural
contract
before
and
I
have
seen
college
of
business
buildings
get
built
for
maybe
double
that.
So
I'm
wondering
what
kind
of
building
is
this
and
what
makes
it
so
special
that
it
needs
to
have
a
special
architectural
work
for
six
and
a
half
million
dollars,
and
we
can't
put
most
of
that
toward
actual
building.
D
When
we
look
at-
and
this
is
about
an
eight
and
a
half
percent
of
the
total
project
funds-
senator
southworth-
then
it
does
meet
that
criteria.
This
is
over.
D
Which
will
not
be
completed
till
fall
of
2025
for,
and
so
we
are,
this
is
the
the
total
contract
price
throughout
the
entire
project.
From
start
to
finish,.
E
I
understand
that
that's
what
I
was
assuming,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
it
looks
like
it's
about
a
72
million
dollar
project.
Is
that
right.
D
This
is
the
capital
project
that
the
general
assembly
funded
in
the
most
recent
budget,
and
so
this
is
for
a
base,
a
very
state-of-the-art
college
of
business
building.
It
will
have
collaborative
spaces
for
our
faculty
staff
and
students
to
work
centers
where
they
will
get
to
have
some
real
world
experiences
working
with
local
businesses
and
organizations
within
the
bowling,
green
and
south
central
kentucky.
E
B
F
I
I
vote.
I
I
I
am,
I
have
to
admit
I
am
an
alumni
of
western
kentucky
university,
which
has
nothing
to
do
with
my
vote
today.
Actually
I
I,
it
is
a
lot
for
design
and
I
guess
we'll
just
have
to
wait
and
see.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
D
E
E
It
seems
like
a
lot
of
taxpayer
funds
and
a
time
where
we
really
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
save
not
spend.
Although
we
did
approve
the
building
and
we
gave
them
an
up
to
cost,
looks
to
me
like
the
budget's
coming
right
in
they're.
Not
I
mean
what,
if
there's
cost
of
runs,
it's
not
been
factored
into
this.
I
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at
how
to
get
it
to
be,
let's
say
starting
at
60
000..
So
by
the
time
inflation
hits.
B
I
D
Briefly,
explain:
yes,
I
too
have
been
blown
away
by
design
cost.
I
had
no
idea
when
I
joined
this
committee,
but
we've
seen
several
of
those
come
through
and
I'm
fully
aware
now
the
cost
of
doing
business
and
doing
these
things
and
this
this
is
a
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
exact
percentage
but
usually
ends
up
being
around
10,
or
so
it
seems
like
from
the
projects
I've
seen
for
architectural
costs,
so
it
seems
to
be
on
board
with
other
projects.
We've
seen
come
through
here.
I
vote
eye.
B
I
vote
as
well
and
just
share
a
brief
personal
experience
with
you
during
my
30
years
as
a
ceo
of
my
hospital,
we
had
over
26
expansion
projects
so
seems,
like
architects
lived
in
our
boardroom,
and
one
of
the
things
we
did
start
to
insist
upon
is,
if
you're
paying
those
kind
of
dollars,
no
change
orders.
So
I
suggest
you
encourage
them
to
to
keep
that
to
a
minimum,
because
that's
very
expensive,
as
well
motion
passes,
appreciate
you
being
with
us
this
morning.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
Next
item
on
our
pull
list
is
from
our
psc
amendment
list.
It's
number
26
department
of
juvenile
justice.
B
D
Good
morning,
I'm
william
codell
and
I'm
an
attorney
with
the
department
of
juvenile
justice.
Good
morning,
james
van
buren,
medical
director
for
department,
juvenile
justice.
E
D
Yes,
basically,
as
a
broader
explanation
of
that,
we
underestimated
the
amount
of
services
we
would
need,
because
we
were
projecting
the
amount
of
mobile
services
we
would
need,
based
on
our
2020
numbers,
the
number
of
youth
that
we
had
in
2020.
G
In
our
facilities
incarcerated
at
that
time,
due
to
the
pandemic,
the
courts
were
not
operating
at
full
capacity.
A
lot
of
cases
were
sort
of
on
hold
so
to
speak,
and
we
weren't
receiving
as
many
youth.
D
D
Starting
this
contract,
our
estimates
were
a
little
bit
low
as
far
as
the
number
of
services
that
we
would
need.
E
B
Most
of
the
proof
is
our
second
second
by
representative
hart,
all
those
in
favor
of
most
from
bodie
all
posts
vote.
No,
can
please
call
a
row.
J
D
B
Next
item
on
our
psc
amendment
list
the
university
of
kentucky,
as
we've
already
heard
from
western
kentucky
university
university
of
louisville,
it's
only
fair
that
we
give
equal
time
to
university
of
kentucky.
H
B
We
got
two
contracts
for
you,
folks
to
discuss
versus
number
50
and
center.
Southworth
has
a
question
or
comment
regarding
that:
one
50th
150.
E
Thank
you,
so
this
might
be
going
right
back
to
the
coast
conversation
we
had
earlier,
so
we
have
here
a
diversity,
equity
inclusion,
master
plan,
we're
adding
forty
six
thousand
dollars.
I
was
trying
to
figure
out.
It
seemed
like
we
were
adding
additional
work.
We're
already
I
mean
we're
pushing
into
the
half
a
million
dollar
range
here.
E
I
think
for
somebody
to
come
in
from
the
coast
and
tell
us
how
to
do
our
school,
which
I
understand,
uk
likes
to
compete
nationally
and
be
the
best
at
all
the
stuff,
but
we
already
know
they're
the
best
of
basketball.
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
discuss
that
and
the
rest
of
it.
I'd
like
us
to
just
serve
our
state
and
our
students
here.
E
I
think
that
was
the
whole
point
in
the
very
first
place
and
I'd
like
that
to
continue
to
be
our
mission
instead
of
constantly
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
compete
with
massachusetts.
So
can
you
explain
why
we
can't
have
our
the
existing
professional
development,
the
existing?
Whatever
we've
got
going
on
here
can't
cover
and
we
need
half
a
million
dollars
for
massachusetts
to
help
us
out
with
something
I'm
not
entirely
sure
they
know
what
they're
doing
in
kentucky.
E
H
You
for
the
question:
this
is
a
contract
you
saw
about
16
months
ago
in
its
original
form,
they've
been
working
on
this
dei
study
for
that
16
months,
we're
getting
fairly
close
to
the
end
of
it.
I
think
our
executive
management
team
has
seen
some
drafts.
They
have
asked
for
some
changes
and
some
modifications,
that's
what
this
contract
amendment
is
for.
I
will
remind
this
committee,
as,
as
I
know
you
know,
we
are
a
very
diverse
institution.
H
H
We
survey
our
faculty
staff
and
students
at
least
once
a
year
for
input
on
how
we
can
do
things
better,
what
we're
doing
poorly
frankly
and
what
we're
doing
well.
We
hope,
but,
but
this
is
an
opportunity
to
for
us
to
address
some
issues.
We
have
on
campus
and
again
we're
a
very
diverse
population
at
the
university
of
kentucky
and
president
capilouto
thinks
this
is
an
important
step
to
improving
the
university
and
making
everyone
that
is
a
part
of
the
uk
family
feel
included.
E
One
more
question
in
one
of
the
things
listed
in
this
plan
was
free
speech
spaces
last
I
checked
the
first
amendment
kind
of
goes
everywhere
and
I
feel
like
we
passed
a
bill
a
few
years
ago,
but
it
was
right
before
I
got
here
something
of
the
tune
of
free
speech
on
campus
and
I'm
I'm
sure
and
hoping
that
this
plan
conforms
to
that
law.
But
I
don't
understand
why
we're
talking
about
free
speech
zones?
Why
isn't
our
institution
of
higher
learning
kind
of
all
about
free
speech
anywhere.
H
It
is
and-
and
we
do
have
free
speech
zones
and
there's
a
reason
for
that-
we
don't
want
protesters
outside
dormitories
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
We
don't
want
protesters
out,
I
shouldn't
say
protesters.
Let
me
rephrase
that
demonstrators
outside
a
classroom
building
while
classes
are
going
on.
We
have
free
speech
zones.
H
The
campus
is
open
to
free
speech,
but
yet
we
do
have
some
restrictive
areas
within
our
campus.
I
know
we
have
had
some
bills
in
the
general
assembly
over
the
past
couple
of
sessions
that
have
attempted
to
address
some
of
that,
but
I
don't
think
they
made
it
all
the
way
through
the
process,
but
but
we
have
always
argued
we're
totally
for
free
speech,
but
we
still
need
to
have
some
restricted
zones
to
protect.
E
H
H
H
B
Motion
to
approve,
as
a
second
second,
by
motion
by
representative
hart
seconded
by
co-chair
cook,
calls
his
favorite
most
vote.
I
all
opposed
vote,
no
kim.
Please
call
the
row.
E
B
H
B
H
Because
the
the
horses
are
in
california
that
we're
going
to
be
taking
these
samples
from
we
do
not
have
a
pure
quarter
horse
population
that
they
want
to
do
these
tests
on.
Let
me
back
up
and
tell
you
what
this
is.
This
is
a
study
looking
at
drug
half-lives
and
and
more
aging
quarter
horses,
how
long
a
drug
stays
in
their
system
versus
a
two
a
three
or
four
year
old
and
and
so
since
we
didn't
have
a
pure
quarter
horse
population
in
our
herd.
H
B
D
B
A
B
Glad
to
have
you
this
morning,
senator
salford
has
questions
regarding
your
contracts.
E
B
Yeah,
let's,
let's
do
that
if
we
could
I'd
appreciate
that
just.
E
Separate
okay,
one
we'll
go
on
pink,
so
we
have
575
000
in
lexington
and
65,
000
and
clark
in
reviewing
the
contract.
I
couldn't
tell
it's
just
an
amount,
so
we
don't
know
what
it's
for.
Is
this
for
a
new
overhaul
system
or
is
it
the
65
I'm
assuming
maybe,
is
just
an
ad
they're,
just
adding
some
more
of
the
existing
things
they
already
have?
Can
you
describe
the
type
of
of
contracts?
These
are
for
what?
What
are
we
getting
for
this
money.
L
L
Their
reimbursement
cannot
exceed
the
actual
cost
of
their
of
their
equipment,
so,
for
instance,
in
fayette
county.
I
believe
they
had
purchased
seven
about
700
or
800
000
in
additional
equipment,
but
under
the
2500
they
could
only
be
awarded
575
370
dollars.
E
L
E
E
Okay,
mr
chairman,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
number
70
separately.
B
B
E
E
I
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
our
county
clerks
understand
that
real
paper
ballots
are
the
best
way
and
we're
doing
handmark
paper
ballots,
except
for
in
these
very
slim
circumstances
for
the
disabled
and
that's
the
reason
why
I
would
support
this,
even
though
I
don't
know
that
I've
ever
supported
a
voting
machine
contract
ever
so.
I
vote
yes,.
D
E
69,
I
would
move
to
disapprove
because
lexington
obviously
is
spending
more
money
than
they
have
been
allocated.
They
already
have
a
brand
new
system
we
just
gave
last
year.
E
They
also
the
systems
they
use
are
not
100
paper
based
like
we
think
they
should
be.
At
least
I
think
they
should
be
there's
a
lot
of
tablets
involved
in
this.
I
feel
like
we
need
to
get
to
entirely
paper
wherever
possible,
and
these
expensive
tablets
not
only
are
more
time
consuming
less
safe
and
secure,
but
also
apparently
they're
going
to
be
spending
more
money
of
their
own.
E
Beyond
just
what
they're
allocated
from
the
federal
funds
overage,
they
seems
like
they
need
to
live
within
their
means,
and
so
I
just
don't
see
that
that's
a
good
idea
right
now,
so
I've
moved
to
disprove
that
one.
B
D
D
B
No
not
enough
to
approve
the
motion
so
we'll
go
to
finance
cabinet
for
final
one
disposition.
H
D
E
B
Yeah,
we
don't
want
to
hold
you
up
any
longer.
So,
yes,
we
have
under
our
memorandum
of
agreement,
50
000
under
gray
list
board
of
elections,
contracts,
number,
eight
and
nine
and
senator
southworth.
Please
thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
my
attention,
but
central
southwest
has
questions
about
those
two
contracts.
E
L
E
Okay,
mr
chairman,
I'm
going
to
move
to
disapprove
these
because,
in
my
experience,
the
smaller
counties
for
one
don't
have
their
precincts
broken
up
as
small
as
a
larger.
I
think
that
actually
needs
to
be
looked
at,
but
second
of
all,
they're
going
in
they're,
usually
using
bond
funds
going
into
debt,
plunging
their
local
community
and
a
lot
of
debt
for
machines
that
frankly,
aren't
overly
necessary
and
obviously
some
of
that's
our
fault.
I'd
like
to
see
us
take
that
up
and
give
them
better
options.
E
So
they
don't
have
to
buy
expensive
machines
for
everything.
But
we
certainly
I
don't
like
to
see
them
going
into
debt.
40
000
is
pitiful
compared
to
the
total
cost
of
that,
and
I
think
considering
the
fact
that
we're
seeing
new
information
pretty
much
daily
at
this
point
and
it's
going
to
continue
for
the
rest
of
the
year
daily
information
on
how
the
machines
aren't
necessarily
overly
trustworthy.
I
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at
waiting
a
few
more
months
because
we
don't
have
any
impending
elections
right.
B
L
I
understand
your
concern
about
the
number
that
we
were
reimbursing
state
board
of
elections
at
this
time,
only
had
6.7
million
that
we
could
allocate
under
an
election
security
java
fund.
So
we
chose
the
20.
We
based
it
on
the
number
of
counties
available
to
purchase
election
equipment,
took
the
number
of
total
precincts
and
tried
to
come
up
with
a
number
that
we
felt
was
fair
based
on
the
amount
of
money
we
had
which
was
2500
per
precinct.
L
L
L
These
counties
wanted
to
bring
their
election
equipment
up
to
speed.
They
did
it
partly
because
they
knew
there
was
reimbursement
that
their
counties
could
actually
get,
and
we
appreciated
that
that
they
wanted
to
do
that
and
that
we
could
help
them
in
some
way.
I'm
sorry,
6.7
million
is
not
very
much,
but
I
have
kudos
to
the
legislature
for
adding
additional
funding
coming
up
to
get
these
counties
up
to
the
grade
and
level
of
election
equipment
they
need
by
january
1st
of
2024..
D
Two
vendors
currently
harp,
which
we're
talking
about
today
and.
F
Esns
and
state
board
is
under
no
illusion
or
there's
nothing
to
base.
D
B
B
F
E
D
F
B
C
B
We're
going
to
give
both
of
you
at
least
a
dozen
atta
boys
and
appreciate
you
being
here
with
that
center
southwest,
has
a
question
regarding
contract
number
87.
E
Thank
you.
It
looks
like
to
me:
we've
got
a
staff
member,
that's
actually
on
a
contract,
and
so
the
salary
is
a
hundred
and
forty
five
thousand
eight
hundred
dollars
plus
fringe
for
this
for
two
years.
E
E
And
I
would
feel
like
a
person
in
a
vice
president
role,
wouldn't
be
making
the
most
money
in
the
group.
There's,
probably
a
president.
That
makes
more
than
that.
Can
you
speak
to
the
payroll
tiering
structure
to
some
degree
on
how
we
can
pay
this
amount
of
money
to
not
the
top
staff,
I'm
just
really
struggling
with
the.
I
know
what
state
pay
is.
K
C
Okay
sure
so
you're
correct.
The
president
is.
D
D
The
vice
president's
salaries
are
what
you
see
there.
There
are
what
four
five
vice
presidents
now
with
her
and
when
she
moves
to
vice
president
cpe
so
and,
and
those
are
the
highest
paid
employees
in
the
agency
other
than
the
president.
K
One
more
point
I
would
like
to
make
to
that
is:
although
we
are
a
state
agency,
we
are
in
this
very
uncertain
area
where
we
have
to
recruit
from
college
campuses
and
universities
and,
as
you
well
know,
their
salary
structure
is
different
than
those
of
executive
branch
agencies
with
the
state.
And
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
you
see
what
that
amount
and
what
it
is.
K
So,
with
a
cpe,
we
do
not
offer
teacher
retirement
when
we
began
with
the
commonwealth
education
continuum,
which
is
trying
to
bring
together
the
stakeholders
to
fulfill
the
transition
between
p12
and
post-secondary
to
make
sure
we're
all.
On
the
same
page,
we
looked
at
bringing
in
contract
work
versus
someone
within
the
system,
and
we
found
that
within
the
system
was
our
best
bet,
but
most
people
in
the
system
that
had
that
expertise
were
already
enrolled
in
kentucky
teacher
retirement.
K
So
we
reached
out
to
kde,
since
they
are
also
part
of
this
commonwealth
education
continuum
and
we
partnered
with
them
to
make
sure
that
we
recruited
someone
that
not
only
had
the
expertise
available
to
us.
That
was
within
the
system
and
new
kentucky.
But
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
could
offer
them
the
retirement
system,
which
they
were
already
a
member.
I
B
K
B
Appreciate
you
being
here,
I
know
you've
been
privy
to
this
conversation
from
the
get-go
and
yes,
sir.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
We
have
to
use
their
tools,
and
so
we
really
we-
we
do
see
really
great
outcomes
in
using
this
model.
It's
research
based
and
we
see
great
outcomes
in
preparing
our
families
to
care
for
children
in
foster
care,
and
we
have
we
use
this
model
for
our
dcbs
foster
home.
So
those
are
our
state
approved,
foster
homes
and
we
have
private
foster
homes
in
kentucky
too.
K
Not
all
of
them
use
the
safe
model
and
we
see
a
great
difference
in
homes
that
that,
where
we
use
the
safe
model
and
then
versus
private
agencies
that
actually
do
not
use
the
safe
model,
so
we're
actually
moving
towards
using
safe
with
our
private
homes
as
well.
We
did
a
modification
to
be
able
to
pay
for
the
private
agencies
to
actually
use
safe
as
well,
because
we're
seeing
such
a
difference
in
placement
stability
for
children
in
foster
care.
So
I
appreciate
your
stance
and
that
and
wish
that
they
would
lift
that
ban.
K
B
K
Yeah,
north
dakota,
idaho,
alaska
and
hawaii
are
the
only
states
that
safe
is
not
in.
B
H
B
You
know
I
would
have
voted
no
on
this
one
for
that
principal
reason,
but
by
god
you've
said
here
for
so
long,
I've
been
so
patient
and
so
understanding
and
the
fact
that
this
appears
to
be
the
only
source
available
for
this
service,
and
it's
proven
I
will
die
so
contracts
approved.
K
B
Kim
pointed
out
to
me
that
this
one
goes
out
to
20
34..
So
when
you
folks
are
on
this
committee
in
2034,
you
can
you
can
scrutinize
it
at
that
point.
But
with
that
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
request.
I
B
Well,
we're
rushing
all
over
that
when
I'll
give
this
one
a
representative
hard.
Second,
at
my
co-chair
cook,
can
we
do
this,
my
voice,
sure
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
community
members.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
and
and
indulgence
this
morning.
Patience
before
we
return.
Please
note
that
our
next
meeting
date
is
thursday
july
14th
at
9
9am.
This
is
a
change
of
date,
usually
we're
on
a
tuesday
but
we'll
be
on
thursday
next
month.