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B
Senator
mcgarvey
senator
nemus
senator
schroeder,
senator
storm
senator
thomas
senator
wise
representative
blanton
here,
representative
fleming
representative
hatton
representative
jenkins,
representative
riley
representative
sharp
vice
chair
hal,
vice
chair
beckler,
here
co-chair
carol
here
and
co-chair
nemas
here.
Thank
you
very
good.
A
A
You
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all.
Those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
no
minutes
are
approved
a
couple
different
items
on
the
agenda
today,
we're
going
to
start
out
with
a
staff
report
on
a
topic
that
is
very
much
pertinent
today.
Still
a
lot
of
issues
and
one
of
the
priorities
within
state
government
right
now
continues
to
be.
A
Broadband
and
staff
has
researched
and
gathered
information
and
data
for
this
report,
and
we
have
joel
thomas
and
jeremy
skinner
who
will
be
presenting,
and
I
understand
shane,
where
shane
are
you
going
to
be
presenting?
Also,
sir,
are
you
going
to
if
you
need
them?
Okay,
very
good!
All
right,
gentlemen,
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
you
have
the
floor.
C
Kentucky
has
been
addressing
broadband
challenges
since
as
early
as
2004
when
the
legislature
established
a
broadband
task
force
to
study
broadband
coverage
and
the
quality
of
service
across
the
state
in
2006.
The
legislature
created
the
broadband
deployment
deployment
account
within
the
the
kentucky
infrastructure
authority
or
otherwise
known
as
kia
to
disburse
funds
for
broadband
projects
in
2010.
C
Using
funding
from
the
american
recovery
and
reinvestment
act,
kentucky
created
the
office
of
broadband
outreach
and
development,
otherwise
known
as
obod.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
acronyms
in
this
presentation.
So
we'll
try
to
try
to
keep
that
all
straight,
but
so
obod
was
established
to
engage
stakeholders
and
generate
mapping
data
for
the
national
telecommunications
and
information
administration's
national
broadband
map.
C
C
These
five
best
practices
that
were
identified
by
pew
include
stakeholder
outreach
and
engagement,
which
entails
working
with
public
and
private
stakeholders
at
the
state
and
local
level,
and
we
address
those
in
finding
area
one
in
the
report
policy
framework,
which
includes
setting
well-defined
goals
and
clear
policy
direction
in
legislation
that
identifies
and
addresses
barriers
to
broadband
deployment
in
unserved
and
underserved
areas,
and
we
address
this
in
finding
area
too.
C
Third
planning
and
capacity
building,
which
is
establishing
plans
that
define
goals
and
objectives
that
can
be
used
to
measure
progress
while
supporting
local
planning
efforts
to
educate
community
members.
And
we
address
these
in
finding
area.
Three
funding
operations
entails
providing
funding
to
support
broadband
deployment
in
unserved
and
underserved
areas
through
grant
programs
and
finally
program
evaluation,
which
is
evaluating
the
performance
of
planning
efforts
and
funding
infrastructure
projects
to
incorporate
lessons
learned,
and
we
address
these
in
finding
area
five.
C
C
C
C
Finally,
the
most
recent
session
created
the
office
of
broadband
development
through
house
bill
315
to
manage
the
unprecedented
level
of
broadband
funding
following
the
covet
19
pandemic
and
direct
future
broadband
projects
within
house
bill.
315,
the
rural
infrastructure
improvement
funding
program
is
used,
is
to
be
used
for
poll
replacement
costs
while
deploying
broadband
to
unserved
areas.
C
In
addition,
it
should
consider
including
regulatory
language
to
address
other
components
of
house
bill,
315
related
to
the
administration
of
the
broadband
deployment
fund.
Finally,
it
should
revisit
the
public
comments
received
from
its
draft
regulation,
which
were
the
guidelines
for
the
broadband
deployment
account
as
it
considers
a
regulatory
framework
for
broadband
deployment
moving
forward.
D
Legislative
oversight
staff
identified
some
steps
that
the
office
can
take
to
follow
up
on
these
additional
best
practices.
Our
staff
identified
reports
related
to
broadband
planning
and
funding
on
the
kcna
website.
Our
report
recommends
that
obd
review
the
archived
kcna
website
documents,
as
they
may
be
useful
for
obd.
With
respect
to
translating
policy
into
practice.
D
D
As
a
result,
the
report
recommends
that
obd
consider
additional
investment
in
broadband
mapping
staff
also
reviewed
the
statutes
guiding
other
state
broadband
programs
that
were
identified
as
promising
by
the
pew
research
center.
The
results
indicate
that
states
have
developed
many
different,
successful
approaches
to
developing
broadband
programs,
which
can
provide
valuable
insight
for
kentucky
recommendation.
D
Recommendation
3.5
is
that
obd
should
review
broadband
development
regulations
and
policies
from
that
other
states
are
successfully
putting
into
practice
the
statutory
language
contained
in
house
bill.
315
is
inclusive,
but
reviews
of
regulations
and
policies
already
in
practice
in
other
states
and
their
outcomes
can
help
identify
areas
for
improvement
and
inform
kentucky's
statewide
broadband
plan.
D
Like
most
states,
kentucky
has
relied
primarily
on
federal
funding
to
address
issues
caused
by
the
digital
divide.
They
do
this
through
they've
done
this
through
broadband
programs
that
are
administered
by
the
fcc,
the
usda
rural
utility
service
and
through
ntia
fcc
universal
service
fund
programs
such
as
the
e-rate
program
and
the
various
connect
america
funds,
which
include
the
rural
digital
opportunity
fund
ardoff.
D
Usda
rural
utility
service
programs
such
as
reconnect
and
community
community
connect,
offer
grants
and
loans
for
broadband
infrastructure
in
rural
areas,
nti.
In
addition
to
broadband
infrastructure
programs,
such
as
the
broadband
technology
opportunity
program,
they
also
administered
the
state
broadband
development
grant
program
which
kentucky
used
to
establish
and
fund
obod
in
2010.
D
going
forward.
Ntia
will
also
be
it
will
administer
most
of
the
broadband
funding
included
in
the
infrastructure,
investment
and
jobs
act.
The
funding
for
the
programs
mentioned
here
has
not
been
historically
been
state
directed
most
of
the
funding,
typically
flows
to
telecommunications
companies
or
partnerships
between
telecom
companies
and
municipalities.
D
It's
an
effort
to
incentivize
investment
in
rural
high
cost
areas
where
the
return
on
investment
is
often
insufficient
for
to
attract
private
industry.
More
information
regarding
these
programs
and
the
funding
amounts
can
be
found
in
chapter
two
of
the
report.
D
D
The
consolidated
appropriations
act
of
2021
appropriated
nearly
5
billion
dollars
to
fcc
and
ntia
programs
intended
to
increase
access
to
infor
to
affordable
and
reliable
high-speed
internet
access
service.
These
programs
included
the
emergency
broadband
benefit
and
the
broadband
infrastructure
program.
D
In
addition
to
significant
funding
to
support
remote
learning,
the
america
american
rescue
plan,
act
or
arpa
appropriated
billions
of
dollars
in
flexible
funding
to
states
and
local
governments,
kentucky
received
over
two
billion
dollars
in
state
fiscal
recovery
funds
and
183
million
dollars
in
coronavirus
capital
projects
funds.
Both
of
these
funds
include
broadband
infrastructure
as
an
eligible
use.
D
The
state
has
received
its
share
of
state
fiscal
recovery
funds,
but
is
yet
to
receive
the
183
million
dollars
in
capital
projects
funding.
As
that
funding
is
contingent
upon
submission
and
approval
of
the
state's
grant
plan
house
bill,
315
appropriated
a
combined
300
million
dollars
in
arpa
funds,
117
million
dollars
in
state
fiscal
recovery
funds
and
all
183
million
dollars
from
the
capital
projects
fund.
It
appropriated
that
to
the
kia
broadband
deployment
fund,
legislative
oversight
staff
verified
that
a
kia
broadband
deployment
fund
has
been
established
in
the
statewide
accounting
system.
D
D
D
The
act
includes
42.45
billion
dollars
for
the
broadband
access,
broadband
equity
access
and
deployment
or
bead
program,
2.75
billion
dollars
for
digital
equity
programs,
1
billion
for
middle
mile
projects
and
14.2
billion
dollars
for
the
affordable
connectivity
program,
which
is
a
continuation
of
the
emergency
broadband
benefit
from
the
consolidated
appropriations
act.
The
act
also
includes
additional
funding
for
existing
programs,
such
as
reconnect
as
the
administrator
of
the
bulk
of
broadband
funding
included
in
the
infrastructure
bill,
including
bead.
D
The
newly
established
established
office
of
broadband
development
marks
a
change
in
this
practice
by
creating
kentucky's
first
central
broadband
coordination
agency.
As
the
central
broadband
authority
in
the
state,
the
new
office
will
be
responsible
for
fostering
relationships
with
other
state,
regional,
local
and
private
entities.
D
It
will
also
be
charged
with
developing
broadband
plans,
making
recommendations
for
broadband
infrastructure
development
and
providing
consultation
services
to
local
units
of
governments
as
obd
moves
forward.
Evaluation
of
programs
and
planning
efforts
in
consultation
with
stakeholders,
along
with
the
lessons
learned,
will
be
critical
to
the
success
of
broadband
deployment
efforts.
D
Therefore,
recommendation
3.8
is
that
obd
should
consider
developing
memoranda
of
agreement
with
critical
groups
in
state
government
related
to
planning
outreach
and
program
evaluation.
In
addition
to
the
expenditure
of
broadband
deployment
funds
at
a
minimum,
it
should
consider
creating
memoranda
of
understanding
with
entities
that
represent
the
kentucky
advisory
group
referenced
in
statute.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
don't
know
who
fields
which
questions
so
I'll,
throw
them
out
there
and
then,
and
then
you
guys
take
it.
However,
it's
supposed
to
happen
for
my
understanding
purposes.
When
we
talk
about
a
silicon,
I
may
not
be
even
pronouncing.
That
right
is
that,
basically,
what
we're
talking
about
with
kentucky
wired
is
that
who's
going
to
administer
kentucky
wired.
C
Yes,
yeah,
they
are
the
the
wholesaler
that
that
is
responsible
for
one
half
of
the
kentucky
wired.
Okay,.
D
E
D
E
So
how
all
that
I
don't
know
how
all
that
fits
together.
Yet
still
so
we
were
talking
about
the
kcna
being
the
basically
responsible
for
overseeing
our
broadband
best
practices.
That's
what
I
took
away
from
that
is
that
correct?
If
it's
not
straighten
me
out,
it's
okay.
C
E
E
C
E
Is
the
silicon
connecting
middle
mile
to
last
mile?
Is
that
roughly
how
that
part
works.
C
Yes,
they're
the
facilitator,
so
they
they're
they're,
basically
taking
what
we
built
with
the
kentucky
wire
project
and
connecting
that
to
like
a
third
party.
Okay,
like
a
like
a
last
mile
isp
like
an
internet
service
provider
in
a
local
okay,
yeah.
E
E
Is
that
the
only
thing
you're
going
to
be
reporting
on,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
us
would
like
to
know
what
is
being
done
as
far
as
providing
for
actual
for
actual
provision
of
broadband
on
the
last
mile.
You
know
my
people,
the
ones
that
even
know
that
kentucky
wired
exist,
understand
that
it
was
just
a
bad
deal
for
the
for
that.
We're
stuck
paying
all
this
money
for
for
the
next
27
years.
They
don't
care
about
that.
What
they
want
is
to
have
internet
access
in
the
last
mile
provisions.
E
They
don't
care
if
the
state's
getting
any
money
back
off
of
it
or
not.
They
just
want
to
have
high-speed
internet.
Is
there
going
to
be
any
reporting
that
you're
doing
on
this,
for
how
it's
that's,
actually
getting
rolled
out.
C
C
E
E
A
Outright,
why
don't
we
we
can
get
into
this
more
with
director
williams,
with
kids.
A
E
E
F
G
E
A
Yes,
if
they
I
mean
what
what
they
can
testify
to
is
just
what
they
gathered
on
this
report.
I.
A
So
we
have,
we
have
director
hicks
from
the
state
budget
office
as
president
and
executive
director
of
kia
sandy
williams
is
also
here,
and
then
we
have
folks
from
accelecom.
Okay,
that
can
answer.
E
A
Okay,
representative.
G
Beckler,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
looking
through
your
presentation,
there
are
about
three
different
places.
Would
you
where
you
say
should
should
consider
and
other
other
places,
you're
saying
what
they
should
do?
Does
that
what
am
I
to
get
from
that?
You
think
you
know
you
say
should
consider.
G
Does
that
mean
that
you
really
don't
know
if
they
should
do
what
you're
suggesting
they
consider
or
not,
or
what
does
it
actually
mean.
C
Well,
so
in
in
our
context,
so
there
are
a
variety
of,
for
example,
like
best
practices.
There's
pew,
there's
a
variety
of
of
entities
out
there
that
that
obd
could
go
to
so
we
were,
you
know,
we're
suggesting
that
you
know
benton
or
pew
might
be
a
place
to
start,
but
we're
not
saying
that
pew
or
benton
are
the
you
know
the
authority.
You
know
the
exact
authorities
on
this.
G
You
say,
in
addition,
it
should
consider
including
additional
regulatory
language
to
address
other
components
of
hospital,
315
etc,
but
later
on
you
say
it
should
revisit.
I,
I
guess,
are
you
saying
that
they
should
include
additional
regulatory
language?
Are
you
just
suggesting
that
they
look
at
it
and
make
a
decision
whether
or
not
they
want
to
do
it.
C
The
latter
of
that,
yes,
that
they
should
look
and
then
make
the
decision
based
on
whatever
information
that
they
were
able
to
to
gather
from
best
practices,
because
in
the
legislation
the
the
language
is
permissive,
whether
or
not
they
can
that
they
can
put
forth
administrative
regulations
they
don't
they
don't
have
to.
So
we
were
saying
that
you
know
if
you
go
in
and
look
at
best
practices.
G
Okay,
do
you
know
how
much
money
has
been
spent
to
date,
how
how
much
of
our
tax
kentucky
taxpayer
money
has
been
spent
to
date
on
broadband
deployment,
or
do
I
have
to
ask
that
to
somebody
else.
D
D
It
depends
on
if
you're
talking
about
broadband
deployment,
broadband
just
connecting
agencies
to
broadband,
connecting
schools
to
broadband.
It's
it's
it's
very
broad
subject:
yeah.
C
G
I'd
really
like
to
see
that
and
then
your
best
estimate
on
on
total
and
then
the
last
question
I
have
if
you'll
permit
me,
mr
chairman,
do
you
know,
and
maybe
I
should
ask
accelecom,
is
it
telecom
providing
any
last
mile
service.
C
So
yeah
I'll,
let
outlet
excelicom
articulate
that
okay
yeah.
I
think
that
that
they're
better
served
for
that.
G
A
You
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
why
don't
we
you
said
there's
a
representative
here
from
accelecom
yeah.
There.
C
A
And,
and
so
we
can,
if
you
all,
could
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record.
A
A
And,
and
thank
you
both
for
be
willing
being
willing
to
step
forward
and
speak
on
this
so
to
help
help
us
to
before
other
questions.
What
is
what
is
just
give
us
an
overview
of
what
your
purpose
is
and
what
you
all
were
contracted
to
do
and
who
is
your
contract
with.
H
E
H
H
A
A
I
I
Yes,
we're
investing
additional
money
of
private
funds
to
expand,
to
construct
more
fiber
out
to
businesses
that
have
high
capacity
needs,
as
catherine
said,
and
also
to
expand
the
network
out
to
very
close
to
neighborhoods
that
are
underserved,
and
when
we
expand
that
facility
close
to
an
underserved
neighborhood,
then
we're
unable
to
allow
an
internet
service
provider
to
access
our
our
lateral
that
we
just
invested
in
and
the
kentucky
wired
network
to
use
that
capacity
to
lower
their
cost,
to
incent
them
to
come
in
and
provide
service
to
that
underserved
neighborhood!
That's
our
mission!
I
I
What
we're
doing
is
we're
approaching
various
businesses
in
the
kentucky
area,
who
primarily
have
a
high
cost
to
use
high
bandwidth
or
have
poor
bandwidth
services,
and
I
think,
there's
an
example
of
three
cases
that
were
used
on
the
tour
you
can
read
about
those
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
using
the
the
network
to
provide
multiple,
a
multiple
of
capacity.
Let
them
use
met
much
more
capacity
at
a
very
affordable
rate
for
their
business
practice
and
to
use
cloud
applications
to
run
their
business
more
effectively.
I
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
I'm
hearing
you
all
talk
about
the
last
mile.
I
hear
you
talk
about
businesses.
What
about
residential
folks?
Are
you
all
selling
to
them.
H
F
And
that's
concerning
to
me
it's
concerning
that
they're
cherry
picking,
the
higher
paid
customers
leaving
the
residential
customers
to
the
local
groups.
That's
already
invested
all
this
money.
It
already
began.
Implementing
I've
had
broadband
for
a
number
of
years
in
my
home,
and
but
they
did
their
own
investing.
So
so
it
concerns
me
to
the
impact
when
you're
just
targeting
the
the
best
customers,
that's
going
to
generate
more
revenue
for
your
company.
H
All
so
we
aren't
going
out
and
picking
what
businesses
that
we
want
we're
picking
the
businesses
that
don't
currently
have
the
service
that
they
need,
or
that
the
cost
is
too
absorbent
for
them
to
use
whatever
surface
it
is
that
they
may
have
so
we're
not
going
out
there.
And
you
know
I
want
sue's
bakery
and
yeah
thomas.
F
F
Right
well,
what
if
I
come
to
you
as
a
residential
customer
and
say
you
know
what
I'm
I'm
not
getting
enough?
Can
you
service
me?
Are
you
then,
going
to
service
me
as
a
residential
customer.
H
I
And
we're
lowering
the
cost
of
that,
because
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
use
the
infrastructure
and
will
expand
that
infrastructure.
If
there's
a
neighborhood
or
an
area,
that's
underserved.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
as
close
to
there
as
possible.
If
it's
underserved
right,
if
it's
served,
then
no
one
really
wants
to
go
there.
I
But
if
it's
underserved,
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
expand
the
the
infrastructure
using
our
funds
and
then
allow
an
internet
service
provider
to
come
in
and
now
their
cost
basis
is
lower
and
they
can
access
our
network
and
then
they
can
they'll
provide
the
the
broadband
to
the
consumer
home
or
the
neighborhood
that
doesn't
have
good
service
or
has
high
cost
service,
so
we're
enabling
consumers
who
don't
have
service
or
have
bad
service
or
high
cost
service.
Today,
with
a
lower
cost
proposition.
F
Okay,
two
things,
mr
chairman
I'll,
be
finished.
One
more
of
a
comment:
you
talk
about
neighborhoods,
so
most
people's
neighborhoods
are
going
different
from
what
I
think
of
in
neighborhoods.
Okay,
you
think
of
a
neighborhood
of
of
a
number
of
homes
subdivisions
we
would
call
them.
We
have
very
few
subdivisions.
F
There
may
be
literally
two
miles
between
houses
where
I'm
at
up
in
east
kentucky,
so
we
don't
have
that
that
conglomerate
of
homes
or
you
can
target
a
big
broad
number
of
them,
which
means
it
takes
more
broadband
to
reach
out
to
get
to
each
residential
home.
So
the
other
question
last
question:
can
you
briefly
explain
to
me
what,
when
you
say
you
partner
with
or
have
agreements
with
these
these
other
companies
to
provide
to
those?
Can
you
explain
to
me
what
that
entails
that
agreement?
What
would
that
look
like.
I
So
the
agreement
with-
and
we
have
several
utilities
in
the
state
of
kentucky
who
are
using
our
service,
so
a
traditional
internet
service
provider
or
utility
to
provide
internet
they'll,
they'll
they'll
need
to
to
connect
to
a
national
provider
traditionally
who's
headquartered
out
of
state
that
provides
them
bulk
internet
those.
So
what
we?
What
we're
doing
is
we
have
access
into
the
bulk
internet
through
the
international
inter
exchanges?
I
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
go
to
a
utility
in
the
state
of
kentucky
who
might
be
an
end
user,
an
in
provider
or
a
local
internet
service
provider,
a
kentucky-based
internet
service
provider
and
we'll
provide
them
access
on
the
core
network
at
a
very,
very
low
cost
and
then
give
them
bulk
access
to.
So
when
they
sign
up
consumers,
their
internet
cost
per
home
is
significantly
lower.
I
So
our
contract
with
the
internet
service
provider
is
we
give
them
a
multiple
of
of
access,
so
they
might
lease
a
certain
amount
of
bandwidth.
Today,
at
a
price,
we
will
double
or
triple
that
bandwidth
at
a
lower
price,
because
we're
able
to
use
the
infrastructure
in
place
and
then
they
can
now
reach
out
to
the
to
their
and
provide
services.
A
We
know
in
our
in
each
of
our
regions
we
have
utility
companies
and
other
providers
that
have
submitted
proposals
to
the
state
that
have
been
pending
for
months
and
months
and
months
and
months,
and
so
we
get
questions
about
this
every
week
and
I'm
having
a
hard
time
understanding
how
you
all
ended
up
with
50
of
this
when
we've
got
local
utilities
that
are
wanting
to
basically
provide
the
same
services
that
you
all
are,
and
this
is
not
a
question
for
you
all.
This
is
this
is
what
I'm
perceiving.
A
If
you
want
to
correct
me
in
what
I'm
saying
please
do,
but
and
and
we've
got
folks
waiting
for
coverage
and
we've
got
utilities
with
plans
in
place
that
are
very
feasible
but
nothing's
happening,
and
I
think
some
of
this
has
to
do
with
hold
up
of
federal
funds
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
but
so
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
pull
together
how
you
all
ended
up
getting
50
percent
of
this,
and
everybody
else
is
stuck
with
the
other.
A
Fifty
percent
was
that
a
decision
made
by
kia
director
williams
is
that,
can
you
contribute
to
this
conversation.
A
I
I
I
I
We
facilitated
that
same
access,
so
nothing
different
than
what
the
utility
is
doing
today
in
western
or
eastern
kentucky
they're
supplying
that
local
service
we
come
in
with
the
middle
mile,
and
we
partner
up
will
offer
up
that
internet
access
to
that
utility,
so
they
can
lower
their
cost
and
they
can
still
provide
consumer
services.
That's
we're
not
interfering
with
that,
but.
I
I
H
Process
of
doing
an
audit
on
our
current
customers
and
what
service
they
came
from,
it
is
not
totally
complete,
but
up
to
this
point,
it's
over
50,
complete
and
up
to
this
point
I
haven't
seen
that
a
single
customer
that
came
from
a
local
isp
to
us
they're
all
it's
all
spectrum
charter,
18.
H
A
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
a
couple
of
follow-ups
on
representative
blanton's
questions.
I
think
I
want
to
address
this
to
you,
ms
robertson,
not
solely
because
I
think
you
gave
the
answer,
but
you've
already
proven
one
of
my
theories
that
you've
proven
to
be
much
more
intelligent
and
articulate
than
your
husband.
So
I
want
to
kind
of.
E
I
realize
I'm
not
setting
the
bar
real
high,
but
but
anyway,
I
appreciate
that
part
of
it.
You
were
talking
about
how
celecom
kind
of
interrelated
with
businesses
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
that
you
kind
of
cleared
out
up
mr
representative
blanton's
cherry-picking
question,
so
you
don't
provide
service
to
any
businesses
that
were
already
being
served
by
another
internet
provider.
Is
that
correct.
H
So
let's
say
you
own
a
health
department
or
you
work
at
a
health
department
and
50
of
the
time
you
have
to
be
on
your
phone's
hot
spot
to
be
able
to
get
internet
access.
It's
just
what's
available
out
there.
Well,
we
would
come
in
and
service
that
location
so
that
they
didn't
have
to
do
that
anymore.
C
E
E
So
presumably
you
could
partner
with
the
isp,
that's
already
providing
that
health
department,
the
the
service
but
you're,
going
to
have
a
direct
contract
with
the
health
department,
which
is
a
really
good
financial
client
of
the
local
isp.
So
that's
going
to
hurt
their
bottom
line,
which
I
think
is
part
of
representative
blatten's
earlier
question.
E
I
get
that
part
of
it
so
better.
How
maybe
this
will
help
back
into
part
of
the
answer
to
my
question,
you
guys
also
were
talking
about
contracts
and
ratings
set
with
with
the
local
isps.
Is
there
a?
Is
there
a
fee
schedule
set
or
is
that
negotiated
on
a
one
by
one
basis,.
I
We're
not
regulated
so
it
could
be
negotiated
on
one
bite.
We
do
have
some
for
the
utility
segment
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
We
have
a
we
work
with
utilities
to
determine
what's
an
attractive
schedule
for
them
to
want
to
use
a
local
provider
than
a
than
a
national
carrier
out
of
texas
or
new
york,
and
it's
a
very
it's
an
enhanced
offering
for
them.
So
we
have
developed
a
unified
program
for
isps
and
utilities,
but
we're
not
regulated
so
it
could.
It
could
be
modified
based
upon
market
conditions.
Again.
I
E
Chairman
might
have
a
couple
more
follow-up.
I
would
think
that
I
would
have
been
surprised
if
you
said
you
had
uniform
pricing,
because
there's
so
many
areas
in
our
state
that
are
just
so
diverse.
I
don't
see
how
you
could
even
have
a
template,
a
one-size-fits-all
template
for
pricing,
but
in
that
pricing
structure
for
a
local
co-op
or
something
some
of
those
local
cops
are
going
to
have
more
business,
more
industry
that
they
service
than
others
just
by
by
definition.
The
way
our
state
sets
up
in
your
pricing
is
it
a
does.
E
It
work
more
higher
volume,
lower
price
type
of
structure.
Just
generally,
I
don't
need
to
get
into
the
specifics
of
how
you
you
negotiate
your
business
right.
That's
not
my
intent
at
all,
but
we
do
we
kind
of
need
a
framework,
because
we
get
asked
all
these
questions
and
we
and
we
don't
have
any
answers,
and
quite
candidly
silicon
and
and
kentucky
wired
have
been
like
the
the
great
pumpkin
we've
heard
about
you
for
years
and
we're
we're
finally
glad
to
go
to
the
pumpkin
patch
and
see
you
for
a
change.
I
Yeah,
it's
typical
in
the
industry.
You
know,
there's
a
there's
price
per
bandwidth,
so
if
an
internet
provider
buys
a
certain
level
of
bandwidth,
there's
a
price
with
that,
if
it's
five
times
that
there's
a
different
price,
so
it's
it's
variable
so
yeah
like
we'll,
have
a
certain
utility
that
might
buy
10
gigabits
of
capacity
and
they'll
a
uniform
price.
But
if
another
utility
or
internet
provider
buys
a
gig
which
is
a
lot
lower,
it's
there's
a
price
associated
with
it,
but
it
does
scale
on
a
on
a
basis.
E
J
E
So
help
me
fill
this
this
hole.
Then,
if
some
of
the
businesses
are
high
users
of
bandwidth-
and
you
guys
are
contracting
directly
with
them,
then
that's
not
bandwidth
that
flows
through
the
isp
back
to
that
end
user
within
that
isps
service
area.
So
then
the
price
per
gig
for
the
isp
goes
up
because
they
don't
have
those
high-end
users
that
you're
directly
contracting
with.
K
E
B
H
H
So
we
those
reportings
it
is
completely
financial.
At
this
point,
it's
basically
letting
kcna
know
what
money
they've
got
coming
to
them.
However,
I
understand
your
interest
in
wanting
to
know
what
it
is
that
accelecom
is
doing,
and
if
you
would
like
us
to
include
a
narrative
in
our
in
a
quarterly
report
on
what
what
we've
done
over
the
past
three
months,
I
would
be
happy.
E
To
include
yeah,
I
would
think
that
that
would
all
need
to,
from
our
purposes
going
back
to
senator
carroll's
point.
We
get
asked
this
question.
All
the
time
nobody's
asked
us
hey:
what's
the
state
getting
back
in
money,
all
they
ask
is
we've
heard
about
this?
We
know
all
that
money's
laying
out
there
we've
heard
about
all
these
different
things
that
are
coming,
but
we
don't
see
anything
and
the
I
would
be
more
interested
in
what
is
being
done
on
rollout
more
more
than
revenue
at
this
point
so
yeah.
E
When
you
do
that,
can
you
break
it
down
by
contracts
with
isps
and
with
businesses
directly?
Yes,
okay,
thank.
I
You,
and
I
think,
we'll
also
include
we're
purchasing
from
isps
as
well,
which
I
think
is
needs
to
be
reported
on
as
well.
So.
B
I
F
I
E
E
Is
outside
outside
of
my
arena
as
a
legislator,
but
I'm
still
kind
of
puzzled
that
we
have
this
entity.
That's
sit
for
administering
and
regulating
that,
but
you
guys
are
doing
the
reporting
and
apparently
filling
out
the
reports,
so
maybe
we'll
go
with
this
one
backwards
from
the
way
we
normally
do
things
yeah,
but
things
like
those
are
the
things
that
we
need
from
you
guys
one
to
do
our
jobs,
but
to
let
the
people
know
what's
going
on
with
this.
E
I
Yeah,
I
think
the
important
thing
to
remember
is
the
dominance
of
telecom
spend
in
the
state
of
kentucky
are
with
large
international
companies
very
large
international
companies.
So
the
relevance
of
local
of
our
business
is
more
affecting
that
than
anything.
E
Absolutely
most
of
my
district
is
is
going
to
get
to
where
they
need
to
be
through
you
guys,
then
it
has
the
ones
that
are
supposedly
been
providing
this
service,
because
you're
geared
to
do
that
and
and
they're
geared
to
not
service
in
most
of
my
districts.
I
And
local
energy
co-ops
are
now
going
to
have
an
opportunity
and
again
we
want
to
support
and
and
partner
with
those.
So
that's
part
of
the
mission
so.
E
And
let
me
stop
you
for
a
second
that
kind
of
goes
back
to
senator
carroll's
or
one
of
his
earlier
questions.
That's
kind
of
what
I
understand
your
role
is
as
the
middle
mile.
We
talk
about
things
without
really
understanding
what
they
mean.
Is
you
provided
the
necessary
gap
between
the
big
pipe
at
the
source
and
the
the
the
sprinkler
head
for
an
irrigation
system
that
actually
throws
the
water
out
into
the
communities?
Is
that
is
that
a
fair?
E
A
H
To
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
it
was
disagreement
or
trying
to
work
out
the
type
of
report
that
would
need
to
be
submitted
for.
H
I've
only
been
here
four
months,
so
I
can't
I
can
only
speak
for
the
last
four
months,
but
that's
what
I
was
told
is
that
there
was.
There
was
some
confusion
about
how
one
entity
wanted
it
versus
another
entity
and
figuring
out
what
all
to
include
in
it.
But
now
that
that
is
that
is
you
all?
Is
there
an
example
of
it
in
their
packet.
C
A
Yeah,
the
the
younger
and
less
better-looking
nemesis.
K
And
much
less
articulate,
so
I
just
want
to
have
a
quick
comment,
because
I
don't
want
the
message
to
come
back
to
the
company
wrong
here
from
today's
proceedings.
My
friend,
the
senator,
is
from
a
different
area
of
the
commonwealth
than
I
am,
and
his
people
talk
to
him
about.
We
don't
want
to
talk
about
the
costs
we
want
to
talk
about
coverage.
I
want
you
to
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
us
here
where
we
hear
about
costs.
K
That's
all
I
hear
about
I'm
from
a
different
area
of
kentucky,
but
don't
take
back
to
the
company
cost,
be
damn.
Let's
get
coverage
because
we're
going
to
continue
to
bird
dog
it-
and
that's
all
I
hear
about
from
my
people,
so
I
just
want
to
be.
I
know
how
things
get
conveyed
from
committee
meetings
to
company.
It
should
not
be
conveyed
that
cost
is
not
an
issue.
It
is
the
issue
in
my
area
that.
H
L
Mr
chair,
I'm
at
this
point
I'm
going
to
defer
my
questions.
Let
me
get
her
here.
Time
is
running
and
I
want
to
hear
from
director
hicks,
but
but
I
I
will
say
I'm
very
pleased
to
hear
because
here
that
what
you
said
over
and
over
again
is
that
you're
providing
the
lowest
cost
possible
to
the
end
user.
You
know
based
upon
your
competitive
rates,
with
with
the
main
content
providers,
which
we
all
know
are
spectrum
and
charter
communications.
L
I
I
want
to
add
this.
Am
I
correct,
though,
that
because
you
are
the
middle
miler
and
not
the
first
miler
that
that
you're
able
to
offer
these
lower
costs
because
of
the
expenditures
made
by
the
state
through
the
kentucky
network,
through
the
kentucky
network
over
the
past
eight
or
nine
years,
that
that
that's,
the
biggest
cost
is
building
that
first
mile,
that
infrastructure
network,
so
we
can
reach
places
you
know
like
graves,
county
or
or
martin
county.
Am
I
correct
on
that?
Did
that
save
that
saved
the
end
user?
A
lot
of
money.
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
do
one
more
question
for
for
these
folks,
then
we're
going
to
ask
the
directors
to
come
up
representative
beckler.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'll,
try
and
be
succinct.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
you
are
providing
last
mile
service
directly
to
businesses
for
whatever
reason,
okay,
you
are
not
providing
last
mile
services
for
residential,
but
you're
selling.
To
isps
is
that
correct?
Okay,
could
you
tell
me
what
your
financial
arrangement
is
with
kcna?
I
Relationship
we're
not
a
subsidiary
we're
the
wholesaler
agreement,
so
the
the
relations.
I
G
Okay
last
question:
could
you
provide
a
list
of
the
isps
with
whom
you've
worked,
they're
partnered.
A
E
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
on
a
question
that
miss
robertson
had
asked.
I
had
to
answer
for
you
talking
about
the
prior
negotiations
and
what
the
delay
been.
Do
you
know
who
or
which
agencies
kentucky
wired
and
socom
had
been
negotiating
with
up
to
that
point,.
E
Okay,
so
so,
but
who
on
this
was
that
between
you
and
your
parent
is
what
was
taking
so
long
or
was
there?
There
was
a
state
entity
that
that
was
involved
in
the
negotiations
that
held
all
that
up.
I
don't
know
because,
presumably
now
that
we
now
that
we
have
the
the
infrastructure
in
place,
it's
taking
us
four
years
five
years,
but
we've
finally
gotten
it
that
those
issues,
if
it's
with
the
state
won't
be
it
won't
be
as
difficult.
A
M
M
And
so
you
know
first
few
comments
on
the
report.
The
staff
did
a
really
good
job.
This
is
a
this
is
in
in
a
way,
a
historical
record
of
the
events
that
have
taken
place
around
you
know
the
public
policy
of
getting
broadband
out
to
you
know
to
as
many
of
the
kentuckians
as
possible.
So
so
in
that
regard
you
know
it
was
you
know
it's
a
well
well
done
piece
of
work.
M
It
is
it
characterized
the
legislation
that
you
all
passed
you
know
properly
and
particularly
the
one
you
just
passed
in
the
22
session
house,
bill
315..
M
That
was
an
amendment
to
the
original
legislation
on
the
broadband
deployment
fund,
but
it
is
one
of
the
most
specific
pieces
of
legislation
on
broadband
in
the
country,
and
I
know
that
because
one
of
the
best
practices
that
mr
hoffman
and
his
staff
says
go
look
at
other
states
who
are
doing
it.
Well,
we
we've
done
a
lot
of
that.
There
are
a
lot
of.
There
are
a
few
states
that
have
done
that
because
they
put
their
own
money
into
broadband
deployment.
State
dollars
right,
commonwealth
kentucky
has
not
done
that
right.
M
We're
but
the
federal
government
is
now
getting
ready
to
push
a
ton
of
money
down
to
states
in
order
to
to
try
to
get
to
lower
the
capital
cost
of
internet
providers
to
get
to
unserved
areas
of
kentucky,
and
so,
as
we
we're
now
at
a
nexus
point
where
we're
moving
forward
with
the
funding
that
the
the
that
the
testimony
had
earlier.
M
300
million,
for
example,
from
the
american
rescue
plan
act,
which
89
million
has
been
awarded
a
few
weeks
ago
to
47
projects
covering
about
touches
36
counties
about
a
good
number
of
those
projects.
Had
fiscal
court
funds
included
in
them,
showing
the
community
support
that
is
going
on
in
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
broadband
out
to
unserved
areas.
M
So
as
it
relates
to
the
findings
and
recommendations,
pretty
pretty
solid,
some
of
the
things
that
are
already
required
by
house
bill
315
such
as
a
putting
a
strategic
development
plan
together
for
broadband.
The
federal
government's
also
requiring
that
to
get
some
of
the
infrastructure
money
so
we're
gonna.
We're
gonna,
kill
two
birds
by
creating
a
strategic
plan.
They're
mapping
resources
darn
right
we're
going
to
put
a
lot
of
resources
into
as
accurate
a
map
as
possible.
M
You
know
illuminated
certain
areas
that
were
unserved:
they
replied
for
the
funds
they
showed
they
were
unserved
and
they
were
awarded
so
that
that
helped
close
the
gap
in
certain
areas
about
that.
M
So
talking
about
regulation
and
policy,
the
national
telecommunications
information
administration
is
going
to
is
responsible
for
the
42.5
billion
dollars
that
the
infrastructure
bill
has
appropriated
to
states
and
territories
for
broadband,
and
so
we
we
talk
with
them
monthly
at
a
minimum,
because
there
are
certain
elements
that
we
have
to
walk
through
in
order
to
get
that
the
fcc
is
going
to
be
working
on
a
better
map
that
is
going
to
as
the
as,
as
your
staff
has
said,
it's
going
to
determine
how
much
is
kentucky
going
to
get
out
of
that
42
and
a
half
billion.
M
Well,
we've
got
estimates
that
outside
entities
have
done
so
this
is
this,
isn't
a
certainty
but
saying
kentucky
could
get
at
least
700
million
dollars
out
of
that
infrastructure
bill
and
we'll
say,
wait
and
see
exactly
how
much
it
is
combined
with
the
300
million
from
the
arpa
funds
already
appropriated
a
billion
dollars
to
to
deploy
broadband
now
in
house
bill
315.
M
Where
are
we
going
to?
First
you've
set
the
priorities
places
where
there
are
no
service,
not
unserved.
No
served
pla
then
places
where
they're
unserved
and
let's
see
how
far
that
money
goes.
Then
before
we
get
to
underserved
right,
underserved
is
people
who
already
have
have
have
internet
access,
and
it's
you
know
it's
it's
25,
meg
or
below
so
anyway,
so
you
all
have
already
put
in
the
policy
priorities
of
where
we're
going
to
put
all
this
money,
and
so
so
a
couple
things
have
got
to
happen.
M
M
So
so
so
the
recommendations
on
you
know
go
look
at
what
everybody
else
is
doing
and
and
try
to
do,
the
you
know
try
to
pick
off
the
best
things
they're
doing
we're
work.
We've
done
that
we're
working
on
that
the
infrastructure
bill
requires
a
five-year
action
plan
before
that
money
will
flow,
so
they're
gonna,
so
so
we're
gonna
get
a
planning
grant
next
in
order
to
create
a
five-year
action
plan.
M
Well
that
five-year
action
plan
is
going
to
align
with
our
ma
with
our
strategic
plan
and
with
you
know
that
is
required
by
house
bill
315,
so
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
collect
all
these
requirements
together.
The
crimes
you've
put
in
house
bill
315
the
requirements
the
federal
government
has
put
into
this
money
and
we're
going
to
you
know
we're
going
to
combine
those
efforts.
You
know,
and
in
order
to
get
this
done
so
that
the
funds
can
flow.
M
So
so
I
want
to
say
that
house,
bill
315,
puts
us
on
a
path,
tells
us
what
to
do
with
the
federal
funds
that
are
coming
down.
We
had
a
discussion.
U.S
department
of
treasury
is
administering
the
coronavirus
capital
project's
fund,
182
million
the
next
pot
of
money
we've
got
when
we
talked
to
them
after
you
all
passed
house
bill
315.
We
were
talking
about
the
grant
plan
that
has
to
be
submitted,
and
I
told
them
about
that
priority.
M
Setting
the
no
serve
the
unserve
their
eyes
brightened
because
it
was
like
right
down
their
alley.
That's
exactly
what
they
wanted
to
hear
state
talk
about.
This
is
how
they're
going
to
invest
their
money,
and
so
they
were
very
positive
about
how
the
relationship
of
the
priorities
in
house
bill
315
are
going
to
fit
with
kentucky's
grant
plan.
So
we
can
get
that
182
million
and
move
forward
with
with
another
application
round
and
awards.
M
So
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I'll,
stop,
you
know.
I
know
that
this
report
has
been
in
the
works
for
a
while.
So
anyway,
the
staff
did
a
good
job.
We
we
interacted
with
mr
hopkins
and
his
staff
as
they
were,
as
they
were
working
on
it,
and
so
it's
you
know
it's
a
it's
part
of
the
launching
pad
that
we're
at
right
now
in
terms
of
moving
forward
with
you
know
with
another.
You
know
the
rest
of
that
billion
dollars
that
we're
going
to
start
deploying
over
the
next
several
years.
A
Okay-
and
I
I
think
I
finally
got
all
of
this
clear
in
my
head
on
how
how
this
is
so
so
the
money
has
started
coming
down
the
federal
dollars
where
some
of
these
projects
that
have
been
proposed
in
the
various
counties,
those
are
being
approved
and
I'm
from
what
you're
saying
they
had
to
meet
certain
criteria
to
for
federal
dollars
each
project.
A
So
the
question
is
who
I
understand
they
have
to
go
through
the
entity.
We
just
spoke
with
to
to
implement
the
project.
M
No
sir,
no
no,
let
me
clarify
that.
Okay,
the
kentucky
wired
project
and
accelecom's
work
in
wholesaling.
The
excess
fiber
is
a
separate
matter
right
it
was
it
hasn't
it.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
anything
to
do
with
what
I
just
said.
So
so
what
what
we've
created?
There
is
a
middle
mile
infrastructure,
that's
serving
ourselves
state
government,
yes
and
our
post-secondary
education
institution,
so
so
that
we
built
it
for
ourselves.
M
We
built
it
enough,
so
we
have
excess
capacity
so
that
excelacom
could
go
and
lower
the
capital
cost
of
isps
as
they
described
to
be
able
to
connect
other
unserved
areas.
So
so
so
let
me
just
set
that
aside.
We
now
have
an
asset
in
kentucky,
as
they've
been
describing.
That
is
available
for
those
purposes
now
stop
over
here
to
the
federal
dollars
that
are
flowing
downhill.
Those
are
going
to
go
to
internet
service
providers,
whether
it
be
municipalities,
co-ops,
telephone,
co-ops,
electric
co-ops
or
private
sector
isps.
M
And
so
so
we
think
that
is
good.
You
know
public
policy
to
say:
we've
got
excess
fiber
here
from
a
middle
mile
infrastructure
come
see
us
you
know,
because
if
you're
having
trouble
getting
access
to
the
middle
mile,
it's
too
far
away
or
it's
too
expensive,
it's
an
open
access
middle
mile,
any
comer
can
join
up.
So
we
don't
have
exclusivity
with
that
middle
mile,
but
I
wanted
mr
chairman.
I
wanted
to
kind
of
help
set.
A
The
stage
for
the
relationship
that
that
did
help
the
projects
that
are
proposed,
though,
does
kia
review
those
from
from
each
local
entity.
The
broadband.
M
Deployment
fund
first
round
application
is
is,
com,
is,
is
almost
99
complete?
Yes,
there
was
an
app
a
grant
application
or
a
receipt
of
applications.
There
was
information
on
you
know
where
they're
going.
There
was
a
challenge
process,
as
the
statute
requires.
There
was
the
adjudication
of
the
challenge
process
and
we
got
into
you
know.
M
Then
there
was
a
scoring
criteria
and
we
got
into
the
awards
that
the
governor
announced
a
couple
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
we're
in
the
process
of
finalizing
the
grant
agreement,
terms
and
conditions
that
we
will
then
present
and
give
to
all
of
the
awardees.
You
know
to
consummate
and
recruit.
You
know
to
sign
on
the
dotted
line,
and
at
that
point
they
can
start
their
construction.
They
can
start
their
implementation
and
money
can
start
flowing
to
reimburse
them
for
the
expenses
for
which
they've
been
awarded.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
a
few
quick
questions
because
you're
unbelievable
of
the
knowledge
that
you're
able
to
retain
without
having
to
have
all
these
notes
and
things
on
numbers
and
figures
so
see
if
you
can
help
me
out
here.
First
of
all,
maybe
I'm
confused
about
the
entire
kentucky
wire
and
the
purpose
of
the
project
on
the
unserved
and
underserved,
but
priority
on
unserved.
M
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I'd
say
a
combination
thereof,
because
the
idea
here
was
to
have
an
open
access
middle
mile
network
that
other
providers
can
make
arrangements
to
utilize,
whether
you
utilize
it
to
end
up
with
a
with
a
a
home
or
whether
that
with
a
business
is,
is
up
to
the
internet
provider.
And
so
so,
that's
that's
why
it's
a
it's
available
for
whatever
purpose
that
that
an
internet
provider
wants
to
use
it
for
okay,.
F
F
F
M
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It
was
director
hicks
up.
I
don't
fully
understand
all
this
and
I'm
not
making
any
accusations
against
anybody.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
get
this
right,
so
the
the
company
that's
providing
the
wholesaler
that
has
a
wholesaler
contract.
K
Their
job
is
to
get
from
0.2
to
point
three
point:
three
being
the
final:
the
the
people
who
are
actually
gonna.
They
don't
do
the
first
mile,
what
I'm
trying
to
say
so
they
do
the
middle
mile
and
then
they're
supposed
to
sell
it
to
the
isp
or
whoever
else,
whoever
that
is
to
finish
it
to
bring
it
home
kind
of
like.
I
know
a
lot
about
the
liquor
world.
You've
got
the
whole
seller
in
the
liquor.
World.
K
Wholesaler
doesn't
compete
against
the
retailer
wholesaler
sells
to
the
retailer
and
the
retailer
sells
the
product
to
the
customer.
Okay,
that's
issue
number
one.
If
that's
wrong,
tell
me
where
I'm
wrong.
There
number
two
they're
not
doing
this
out
of
benevolence,
but
neither
is
the
state
we
get
a
benefit
hopefully,
and
they
get
a
benefit.
We
have
set
up
an
apparatus
where
they
get
to
benefit
from
all
the
money,
the
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars,
I
think,
certainly
tens
of
millions
that
the
kentucky
taxpayer
has
put
into
this
system
their
business,
their
private
business.
K
I
have
no
problems
with
that.
It's
capitalism
they're
making
money
based
off
of
the
the
good
work
that
they're
doing
and
off
of
the
infrastructure
that
the
taxpayers
paid.
For.
That's
point
number
two
point
number
three.
We
have
retailers,
isp
providers,
co-ops
that
have
been
established
paid
for
by
local
taxpayers,
paid
for
by
rate
payers,
private
rate
payers,
private
contracts,
public
contracts
and
those,
and
that
is
a
good
thing
for
the
government
entity
that
uses
that
hooks
up
to
that
isps
product.
K
K
I
feel
there's
some
significant
unfairnesses
here.
I
don't
know
that
I'm
just
trying
to
tease
this
out
in
my
mind,
I'm
a
boy
from
louisville.
This
doesn't
really
affect
us
that
much
other
than
we
help
pay
for
it,
just
like
all
the
other
taxpayers
in
the
state.
But
it
feels
to
me
that
there's
something
grossly
unfair
about
giving
any
wholesaler,
and
this
is
not
against
this
company.
I
know
nothing
about
this
company
very
little
anyway.
K
It
doesn't
feel
right
to
me
they
were
giving
them
not
a
monopoly,
but
a
certainly
a
st
of
first
place
on
the
pedestal,
but
they
get
to
benefit
from
all
the
good
things
and
they
do
a
lot
of
good
things
as
well,
but
they
get
the
benefit
from
all
the
great
things
that
we've
done:
taxpayers
and
so
forth,
and
the
unique
position
that
we
have
put
them
in
then
they're
going
and
they're
picking
off
seems
to
me
they're
picking
off
the
people
who
can
pick
now
they're,
not
going
to
say
they're,
going
to
say
businesses
only.
K
We
know
why
they're
doing
that,
I
mean,
let's
not,
let's
not
be
foolish,
they're
doing
it,
because
businesses
can
pay.
That
may
be
okay,
but
it
feels
to
me
like
it's,
not
fair,
it's
not
fair
to
the
local
provider.
Where
am
I
wrong
here?
And
so
here's
here's
the
issue,
what
happens
when
the
local
provider
can't
make
it
because
he
doesn't
have
enough
people
that
he
can
provide
services
to
that,
can
pay
the
rates
that
they
need
to
pay.
On
the
other
hand,
they're
going
to
say
well
we're
providing
better
services.
K
Okay,
better
access,
bigger
broadband,
all
the
good
stuff
on
our
hospitals
and
our
universities
and
everybody
to
be
on
the
better
product.
But
it
seems
to
me
that
the
the
system
was
to
put
them
in
the
place
where
they
provide
the
better
product
to
the
retailer
to
the
isp
provider.
So
where
am
I
wrong?
M
Let
me
let
me
focus
on
you
know
the
you
know.
The
first
kind
of
public
policy
idea
of
the
excess
fiber
was
to
was
to
sell
to
the
isps
was
to
make
available
middle
mile
infrastructure
the
commonwealth
invested
in
to
lower
their
cost
of
of
acquiring
the
network,
so
that
they
can
then
perhaps
be
commercially
feasible
to
get
to
unserved
areas
right.
So
that's
that's.
That
was
one
of
the
intentions
of
why
why
we
didn't
just
build
for
ourselves
while
we
built
the
pipe
a
little
bigger.
M
To
the
regional,
that's
a
good
announcement,
okay,
yeah
yeah,
so
that
that
was
a
now
as
to
the
individual.
You
know
straight
to
you
know
straight
from
accelecom
to
off
the
the
kentucky
wired
network
to
an
individual.
M
You
know,
subscriber
you
know
or
a
customer.
You
know
those
questions
are
probably
case
by
case.
You
know.
In
some
cases
we
have
market
failure
right.
The
only
reason
we're
here
sitting
and
talking
about
it
is
exactly
what
you
just
described
for
the
universal
service
requirement
for
telephones,
right
and
electricity.
We
don't
have
that
for
broadband
right
right,
then
we
we
didn't
choose
to
do
that
as
a
nation
or
as
a
state,
and
so
so
here,
the
the
billion
dollar
that
I'm
talking
about.
M
That's
where
we're
going
to
try
to
close
that
gap,
we're
trying
to
fit.
You
know
trying
to
give
providers
lower
cost
of
capital,
so
they
could
make
it
conversely
feasible
to
hit
the
last
home
in
the
county
right.
That's
what
we're
all
hoping
to
happen,
not
just
in
kentucky
but
nationwide
now
with
the
infrastructure
bill
right,
so
so
that
you
know
so
and
to
the
extent
that
some
of
those
could
take
advantage
of
the
kentucky
wire
network.
Great.
K
M
K
M
They
won't
be
able
to
do
it.
Well,
I
I
don't
know
that
the
I
don't
know
that
this
volume
of
what
of
those
individual
arrangements
are
such
a
large
enough
to
have
accommodated
right.
The
you
know
the
bottom
line,
ability
of
a
of
a
provider
to
to
hit
those
areas
who
they
haven't
hit
yet
right
in
most
cases,
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
the
the
uncertainty
and.
M
K
It,
and
so
my
fear,
is-
and
I'm
not
interested
in
in
whether
this
company
makes
a
billion
dollars
or
a
dollar.
I
don't
care
as
long
as
they're,
providing
fair
services
and
service
and
getting
to
our
interest,
which
is
to
provide
broadband
to
our
people.
Then
that's
what
we
want
within
a
good
cost
and
so
forth
and
so
on,
but
they
don't
have
an
interest
to
do
that.
I
mean
we
know
how
the
world
works.
We
know
our
companies
work.
K
Their
interest
is
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
to
perform
their
contractual
obligations
and
maximize
profit
for
the
shareholders,
nothing
wrong
with
that.
That's
perfectly
moral,
that's
perfectly
appropriate,
but
but
the
interest
in
the
co-op
that
man
goes
to
church
with
those
folks.
His
interest
is
getting
it
out
into
the
haulers,
making
sure
that
he
has
the
best
best
services
for
the
businesses,
because
he
wants
his
kids
to
stay
in
the
community.
He
wants
to
have
good
jobs
and
he
wants
to
have
good
homes
in
his
community.
K
The
interests
are
different,
and
so
I
think
by
allowing
this
wholesaler
and
tell
me
where
I'm
wrong
please,
by
allowing
the
middleman
the
wholesaler
to
become
the
whole
seller
and
the
retailer,
I
think
it
it
per
it.
It
harms
the
interest
of
the
legislature.
I
think
it
may
not.
It
may
not
totally
curtail
the
opportunity
to
get
there,
but
it
harms
our
interests
and
it
and
it
competes
with
the
folks
who
have
the
the
same
interest
that
we
have
in
a
way.
That
seems
unfair.
I'm
teasing
this
out
in
my
mind.
K
A
Okay,
we're
gonna
have
to
move
on
we're
we're
out
of
time
for
this
topic.
One
final
question:
I'm
gonna
privileges
of
the
chair
and
just
a
yes
or
no
with
all
the
the
money
that's
coming
down
the
total
billion
dollars.
Do
we
feel
like
that?
That's
going
to
speed
up
the
state's
ability
to
return
a
profit
on
this.
I
think
we're
looking
at
2032.32.
A
A
Thank
you
all
so
much
appreciate
it
now,
members
of
the
committee,
we
will
have
more
conversations
on
this
before
the
interim
is
over.
I'm
sure
this
is
a
topic.
That's
not
going
anywhere.
So
thank
you
all
and
appreciate
your
help
and
you
being
here
and
and
the
information
next
time
we'll
try
to
be
more
specific
on
on
so
you
all
can
be
better
prepared.
A
It's
been
a
while,
since
I've
discussed
this
topic,
so
I'm
having
to
get
caught
up
again
in
my
mind
and
we've
moved
to
a
different
phase
now,
so
I'm
having
to
understand
that,
but
thank
you
all
for
being
here
all
right.
We're
going
to
spend
some
time
now.
Looking
at
the
membership
on
this
committee,
there
I
see
some
interest
there,
those
that
live
in
west
kentucky
with
the
the
tornado
funds.
A
If
you're
like
me,
I'm
starting
to
get
calls
of
unmet
needs
within
the
the
region
and
and
so
started
asking
some
questions
about
the
funds
and
what
what
is
there
what's
money
been
spent
for,
and
so
I
wanted
to
get
an
update
on
that
and
we
arranged
for
dj
watson,
the
chief
of
staff
with
the
public
protection
cabinet
to
be
here
to
kind
of
to
give
an
update
and
director
hicks
is
also
gonna,
help
us
out
here
and
so
what
we
really
just
wanna
understand.
A
J
You
go.
Thank
you.
The
public
protection
cabinet
is
charged
with
administering
the
team,
western
kentucky
tornado
relief
fund.
So
this
is
the
fund
of
private
donations
that
were
donated
to
help
individuals
impacted
by
the
tornadoes
from
december
10th
and
11th
and
2021..
J
So
we
received
donations
from
all
over
all
over
the
nation.
We
had
celebrities,
we
had
corporations,
we
had
people
doing
bake
sales
that
just
wanted
to
send
in
five
ten
dollar
checks
to
us.
So
on
the
screen
there
you'll
see,
we've
received
just
under
52
million
dollars.
These
numbers
are,
as
of
july
6th.
I
will
tell
you:
donations
continue
to
come
in,
so
these
change
weekly,
but
just
under
52
million
dollars
from
150
people.
J
We,
those
funds
can
be
used
in
summary
to
help
those
residents
that
were
impacted
by
the
tornado.
With
food
clothing,
shelter
household
needs
necessities
of
life.
They
cannot
be
used
for
administrative
costs,
but
there
is
an
emergency
regulation,
800
kar
1020.
That
gives
more
detail
about
that
process.
That
reg
has
been
through
administrative
regulation
review
subcommittee
and
recently
through
the
interim
joint
committee
on
veterans,
military
affairs
and
public
protection.
J
To
distribute
the
funds,
we
wanted
to
provide
a
very
simple
streamlined
process
for
individuals
to
get
that
money.
We
quite
honestly
in
speaking
with
people.
We
knew
that
they
were
focused
immediately.
You
know
on
immediate
needs
right
after
the
tornado,
they
didn't
have
access
to
internet
most
times
people.
Some
people
didn't
have
access
to
their
documentation.
J
J
So
so
far
we
have
issued
payments
on
three
programs,
the
first
being
funeral
assistance
payments.
We
worked
with
the
coroners.
We
worked
with
the
office
of
vital
statistics
and
the
funeral
homes
to
identify
those
that
lost
their
lives
as
a
result
of
the
storm,
and
we
issued
payment
to
the
families.
Those
payments
were
ten
thousand
dollars
per
deceased,
individual
and
all
81
of
those
payments
have
been
issued.
J
J
J
So
those
payments
started
going
out
in
weekly
batches
the
first
week
of
february,
and
we
have
received
the
last
reports
from
fema
on
a
weekly
basis,
but
certainly
if
there
are
individuals
who
believe
they
were
eligible,
we
can
handle
those
case
by
case.
J
We
also
recognize
that
that
was
a
snapshot
in
time,
so
we've
been
working
with
local
case
managers
to
identify
people
whose
information
wasn't
in
that
data
call
with
the
insurers
and
those
payments
are
made
at
the
amount
of
the
deductible
that
applied
to
that
claim.
With
a
maximum
payment
of
2500.
J
Those
are
still
being
sent
out.
We
do
send
those
out
in
batches.
We
started
sending
those
the
last
week
of
february
and
I
believe
we
still
have
roughly
115
payments
to
be
made
there.
So
you
can
see
there
on
the
screen.
The
number
of
payments
that
have
gone
out
and
the
total
amounts
that
have
been
issued
so
far.
J
First
is
16
million
dollars
that
has
been
committed
in
response
to
proposals
received
from
three
nonprofit
entities,
habitat
for
humanity,
fuller
center
for
housing
and
homes
and
hope
for
kentucky,
and
they
requested
funding
to
help
build
300
homes
within
the
impacted
area.
J
So,
in
these,
for
this
program,
individuals
would
apply
through
those
nonprofits.
They
would
go
through
their
application
process.
Determine
eligibility
then
submit
a
request
for
individual
funding
to
our
agency
and
we'd
verify
that
those
individual
individuals
had
been
impacted
by
the
storm
or
kentucky
residents,
those
types
of
of
things,
and
then
we
issue
a
check
for
those
individuals
so
for
habitat
and
fuller
center.
That
funding
is
used
as
a
down
payment
on
a
mortgage
that
is
their
model
and
for
homes
and
hope
it
is
used
for
building
supplies,
so
those
houses
are
currently
being
built.
J
J
I
know
there's
a
building
blitz
in
warren
county
in
july
at
the
end
of
july
and
homes
and
hope
also,
I
believe,
has
15
other
homes
that
they're
working
on
right
now,
so
those
homes
are
being
built.
We
actually
just
received
the
first
request
for
funding
last
week
for
those
homes,
so
we'll
be
beginning
payouts
in
that
program.
J
The
next
program
we've
committed
funding
for
is
the
graves
county
grain
assistance
program,
the
local
judge,
executive
and
some
farmers.
Local
farmers
approached
us
about
funding
the
grain
elevator
in
that
area
was
destroyed
by
the
tornado.
So
those
farmers,
in
addition
to
multiple
other
challenges,
are
having
to
transport
their
grain
elsewhere,
which
results
in
you
know
larger
vehicles
needed
just
further
mileage
and
they
asked
for
some
assistance.
So
there
is
an
online
application
for
this
program.
J
We've
received
about
115
applications
so
far,
and
the
intent
is
to
pay
roughly
50
cents
per
net
bushel
that
was
sold
to
mayfield
grain
company
in
2021..
So
that
is
how
that
program
is
working.
We're
reviewing
those
applications
this
week,
so
payments
should
start
being
seen
within
the
next
week
and
the
final
program.
This
was
just
recently
announced
is
12
million
dollars
working
with
the
long-term
recovery
groups.
Those
are
those
local
groups
that
have
formed
in
the
communities
they
did
submit.
J
11
of
those
long-term
recovery
groups
submitted
proposals
to
our
agency
to
address
those
unmet
needs,
so
we've
provided
some
funding
for
homes,
but
sometimes
people
don't
have
appliances,
they
don't
have.
Furniture
vehicles
are
another
area
that
we've
heard
a
lot
about.
So
for
those
types
of
essentials
for
living,
we
have
allocated
a
total
of
12
million
dollars.
Each
long-term
recovery
group
within
their
proposal
provided
us
information
with
the
number
of
individuals
with
unmet
needs
in
their
community,
and
so
there
will
be
an
allocation
to
each
long-term
recovery
group
for
that
funding.
J
So
we
we
met
with
them
earlier
this
week.
The
long-term
recovery
groups
we're
working
on
some
process
details
and
so
then,
we'll
be
able
to
start
that
process,
which
will
be
that
in
general,
that
people
would
apply
for
that
funding
for
their
unmet
needs
through
the
long-term
recovery
group.
They
would
work
on
their
case.
Management
process
apply
their
other
resources
they
have
available
and
if
there
is
still
a
need,
then
they
can
apply
for
that
remainder
of
that
funding
for
from
the
tornado
relief
fund.
J
So
that's
where
we
are
right
now
and
you
know
we
know
that
these
needs
are
going
to
be
going
on
for
a
long
time
just
being
in
the
mayfield
area.
It's
just.
I
don't
think
the
pictures
do
it
justice.
There
is
just
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
still,
so
there
is
still
funding
available.
We
are
still
accepting
proposals
for
that
funding.
J
The
last
thing
I
would
like
to
share
is
just
our
email.
We
do
know
that
you
all
have
constituents
who
have
said,
for
example,
I
think
I'm
eligible
for
one
of
these
programs.
I
didn't
get
payment.
Where
can
I
go?
This
is
the
email
address
that
many
of
us
monitor
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
you
had
that
and
with
that
I
am
going
to
pause
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Okay,
dj,
thank
you.
Can
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
homes
that
are
being
built
and-
and
I've
heard
from
in
my
district
from
marshall
in
particular
that
they're
waiting
for
funding
to
start,
I
think
that's
habitat.
A
J
With
them
just
this
week,
so
yes
they
when
they
get
us
their
requests
for
funding
that
that
money
will
start
flowing.
We
there
were
some
paperwork
to
get
registered
and,
and
they
I
think,
an
eft
set
up,
and
so
we're
we're
definitely
working
on
that.
I
will
say
we.
We
had
heard
some
questions
about
how
to
access.
I
I
did
reach
out
to
all
the
mayors,
all
the
county
judge
executives
with
contact
information,
so
hopefully
that
will
start
some
discussions
flowing
and
some
you
know,
funding
flowing
as
well.
Okay,.
J
A
And
with
the
the
long-term
recovery
groups-
and
I
know
those
are
set
up
in
each
county-
yes,
what
what
is
the
function?
Are
they
just
more
of
an
advisory
type
entity
to
to
relay
what
the
needs
are.
J
A
J
So
really
that
underinsured
homeowners
was
so
two
things
that
we're
doing
to
address
that
one
was
that
we
were
hoping
that
some
of
the
payments
that
went
to
insured
homeowners
and
renters
would
provide
assistance
with
that
they'd
already
gotten
their
insurance
amount.
We
paid
additional.
On
top
of
that,
also
that
that
is
an
issue
we
see
a
lot
through
these
long-term
recovery
groups.
I
got
my
insurance
payment
in
I
got
this
additional
payment
costs
have
gone
up.
J
There
has
and
that's
one
of
the
details
we're
still
discussing
whether
that
we
need
to
increase
that
limit
per
family.
That's
one
of
the
details,
we're
talking
about.
A
Long-Term
recovery-
and
I'm
sure
you
all
get
this,
but
it
and
I'm
not
making
any
judgments
on
anybody
for
anything.
But
this
is
just
a
reality
of
some
of
the
comments
that
I
get
you.
You
have
some
folks
that
maybe
could
have
afforded
homeowners
insurance.
That
chose
not
to
pay
it.
They
get
a
new
home
free,
yes
and
then
you've
got
folks
that
paid
their
insurance
and
but
because
of
prices
and
being
underinsured
they're,
going
to
be
out
a
lot
of
money,
they're
not
going
to
recover.
All
of
that.
J
A
You
all
look
at
expanding
what
you
might
offer
these
folks
if
out
of
this
remaining
10
million,
I.
L
Yes,
mr
I
was
just
doing
the
math
to
make
sure
you
got
an
accurate
answer
to
your
question.
What
ms
watson
indicated
was
that
10.8
million
has
already
been
spent.
She's
got
committed
funds
for
31.25
million,
which
comes
to
42.05
million
she's
indicated
there's
51.95
million
that
that
we've
raised
so
far.
So
if
you
do
the
math,
the
committee
should
know
that
there's
still
9.9
million
dollars
of
unallocated
funds,
that's
the
answer.
A
Okay,
I
was
a
little
bit
off
senator
howe.
E
Yes,
mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
comment
that
that
was
the
best
example
of
math,
by
an
attorney
that
I've
seen
up
here
since
I've
been
up
here.
Senator
thomas
is
way
ahead
of
me
on
this
ma'am.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
I've
got
four
of
the
counties
in
my
district
were
hit
by
this
tornado.
I
just
wanted
to
follow
on
by
everybody's
behalf.
E
We
appreciate
all
that
you've
done
up
to
this
point.
I
know
it's
been
hard.
You've
been
creating
some
of
this
framework
and
everything
as
you
go
on
the
fly
when
there's
so
many
needs
coming
at
you
from
all
these
different
directions.
So
we
just
want
to
appreciate.
I
want
to
tell
you
how
much
we
appreciate
all
that
you've
done
up
to
this
point
and
all
that
you'll
continue
to
do
as
we
continue
to
work
through
this.
E
My
question
goes
into
the
grain
issue
that
you
said
it
was
50
cents
per
net
bushel
for
the
2021
crop.
That
was
that's
what
was
being
stored
there,
that
will
be
in
some
level
unrecoverable.
J
J
So
what
we
did
was
use
the
delivery
to
mayfield
grain
company
in
2021
as
the
basis
for
calculating
the
assistance
payments
that
are
that
are
being
sent
we'll
also
get
documentation
about
2022
to
make
sure
that
those
farms
are
still
in
business.
E
And
well
from
an
accounting
standpoint,
will
those
with
those
bushels
be
documented
by
delivery,
slips
and
tickets.
J
E
J
E
E
J
We
we've
started
reviewing
applications
this
week.
Again,
we've
got
about
115,
although
they
keep
coming
in,
and
so
we
sitting
quite
honestly
down
tomorrow
and
and
hopefully
start
issuing
checks
next
week.
E
Right
thanks
for
clearing
some
of
that,
certainly.
A
A
It's
I
mean
millions
and
millions,
and
there
was
such
a
rush
to
get
this
out
and
to
get
assistance,
and
you
know
we
worry
about
that
kind
of
stuff,
and-
and
you
know-
and
I
I
do
understand-
that
from
the
perspective
of
some
of
these
funds
are
going
to
be
going
directly
to
homeowners
or
individuals
rather
than
to
service
contractors,
that
you
know
and
I'll
worry
about
what,
if
they
don't
pay
their
bill,
and
you
know
all
and
that's,
and
I
those
I'm
sure,
you're
all
getting
hit
every
day
with
stuff
like
this.
J
I
can
on
the
other
funds
that
were
not
donated
into
our
tornado
relief
fund,
but
the
chamber
funds.
All
of
those
you
know
we
do
have
a
weekly
coordination
meeting
with
local
case
managers
so
and
they
are
trained
to
not.
You
know,
to
avoid
duplication
to
the
best
of
their
ability.
A
lot
of
that,
though,
is
reported
by
the
individuals.
Did
you
receive
funds
from
you
know,
and
so
we
work
with
kentucky
emergency
management's
case
managers.
J
We've
a
lot
of
entities
like
umcor
catholic
charities
united
way
also
serve
as
local
case
managers,
and
we
we
do
try
to
our
best
the
best
way.
We
know
how,
in
that
coordination
is
to
have
communication,
and
we
do
try
to
communicate
on
a
very
regular
basis
to
ensure
there's,
no
duplication
or
that
that
people
know
various
sources
where
funding
can
come
from,
but
it
is
it
it.
It
is.
J
It
is
difficult,
as
you
noted,
with
people
and
funds,
multiple
funds
so
on
the
fraud,
certainly
an
issue
that
we've
been
sensitive
to.
It's.
Why
the
first,
the
district
disbursements
that
have
already
been
made
have
been
using
verified
sources.
So
that's
why
we
used
fema
and
their
case
management
to
identify
the
uninsured
homeowners
and
runners.
J
It's
why
we
verified
through
the
insurance
companies,
who
also
have
fraud
detection
within
their
within
their
companies,
the
valid
that
there
was
a
valid
claim
for
the
tornado
and
the
amount
and
the
amount
of
that
claim
the
amount
of
the
deductible.
So
that
is
how
we
have
tried
best
to
to
address
the
fraud
aspect,
working
getting
information
from
the
individuals
but
verifying
it
through
another
independent
source,
and
so
I'm
sorry
on
you
know
money
going
directly
to
individuals.
Also
a
challenge.
J
You
know,
for
example,
the
funeral
payments
were,
while
they
were
made
out
to
individuals,
were
sent
to
the
funeral
homes
to
address
when
the
when
the
expenses
were
settled,
on
the
homes
for
habitat,
for
example,
that
money
is
being
mailed
to
habitat
to
be
applied
when
the
mortgage
is
signed.
So
we've
tried
to
put
processes
in
place
to
address
those
and
put
controls
in
place
to
address
those
concerns.
J
A
Okay,
director
hicks
with
as
far
as
reporting
how,
how
detailed
are
the
reports
going
to
be
on
on
where
these
funds
have
gone
and
with
each
either
one
of
you
each
individual
expenditure?
Will
we
get
like
a
complete
report
for
every
penny
that's
been
allocated
from
from
the
legislature
and
from
these
these
donation
funds?
Can
we
access
reports
on
those
to
kind
of
keep
track
on
where
the
money's
going
and
what
it's
going
for.
M
Well,
let
me
let
me
speak
to
the
200
million
that
the
general
assembly
appropriated
to
what
is
known
as
the
safe
fund
and
so
we're
required,
on
a
monthly
basis,
to
report
to
interim
joint
committee
on
probations
and
revenue
department
of
education
who
got
30
million
dollars,
they
report
and
then
then
my
office
reports
on
the
remainder
and
then,
but
with
the
legislation.
There
was
also
like
nine
million
that
went
to
university
of
kentucky
for
the
princeton
facility.
M
You
know
that
was
that
was
damage
destroyed
by
the
tornado,
so
so
we're
we
have
provided
on
a
monthly
basis,
particularly
the
the
funds
that
went
to
the
department
of
military
affairs
through
emergency
management
and-
and
we
have,
I
guess,
an
example
of
a
spreadsheet
right
here-
that
we
send
is
like
which
city
which
county,
which
public
or
non-profit
utility,
how
much
and
for
and
what
for
the
department
of
the
division
of
emergency
management
is
managing
the
agreements
with
those
recipients.
M
And
so
what
we
were
reporting
are
the
awards
and
that
they
they're
the
ones
that
are
going
to
control
the
disbursements
of
of
the
funds.
So
so
so
we're
watching.
So
we're
watching
every
dollar
and
reporting
on
a
monthly
basis.
You
know
what
is
the
activity.
A
Has
has
the
safe
fund
itself
been
established,
or
are
you
all
using
other
methods
or
processes
to
get
those
those
funds
out.
M
Yes,
I
mean
you
know
in
in
accounting
system.
You
know,
you
know
we
established
the
funds
in
the
accounting
system,
as
you
appropriated
them
all
right.
So
you,
you
created
a
safe
fund,
but
then
you,
you
dealt
the
cards
out
to
multiple
players,
all
right.
So
so
we
look
at
the
co,
the
combination
of
those
locations
as
the
safe
fund,
because
the
because
we
have
to
work
through
the
appropriation
process
and
through
the
accounting
structure.
So
so
we
have
I've
communicated
your
staff.
M
You
know
exactly
where
all
of
that
200
million
rests,
if
you
will
in
in
the
accounting
system-
and
we
report
against
that
combined
amount.
A
Okay
and
dj
what
what
are
the
phase
that
we're
at
right
now?
What
are
you
all
seeing
as
the
most
significant
needs?
I
know
I
know
in
my
county
fema
has
said:
there's
still
like
5.5
million
in
unmet
needs
at
this
point.
What
what
from
what
you
all
are
seeing?
What
are
those
needs.
B
J
That's
that's
what
we
hear
the
most
of
and
then
certain
essential
things
within
your
home.
You
know
people
lost
everything.
Some
people
just
simply
lost
everything,
so
housing,
permanent
housing
is
is
still
the
need
or
repairs
to
new
homes
or
repairs
to
existing
structures.
Are
the
primary
need
we're
still
hearing?
Okay.
A
And
one
more
question,
then
I'll:
stop!
Do
we
if
we
lost
quorum
yeah,
mr
cochair,
can
you
wait
just
a
minute
please?
I
would
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
report
on
the
broadband.
A
F
C
A
Well,
it's
it
is
approved.
I
appreciate
you,
you
can
go
now.
Thank
you.
One
final
question
is
the
department
of
insurance
or
are
you
all
working
with
them?
Are
you
aware
of
their
activities
as
as
homeowners
deal
with
their
insurance
companies
to
to
ensure
that
they're
being
treated
fairly.
J
Certainly,
that's
an
agency
within
our
cabinet.
We
deal
with
them.
We
work
with
them
quite
a
bit
again,
even
to
verify
valid
claims
to
issue
payments,
but
then
to
also
address
complaints
of.
I
don't
think
that
this
this
claim
settlement
was
enough
because
of
inflated
costs.
Those
types
of
things
or
I
haven't
heard
from
my
company,
but
what
I
would
say
is
is
overall
we've
heard
that
the
insurers
have
been
responsive.
We
understand
that
there
are
additional
costs.
C
A
Very
good,
I
appreciate
all
your
efforts
and
you
know
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
accompl.
I
criticize
the
executive
branch
a
lot
more,
particularly
the
head
of
the
executive
branch,
but
but
there
sure
are
some
good
people
that
work
in
the
executive
branch
and
two
of
them
right
here,
and
thank
you
all
for
all
that
you
do
and
the
work
that
you
put
in-
and
I
I'm
sure
you're
about
at
your
wit's
end,
both
of
you
by
now
with
all
of
this
and
for
the
folks
in
western
kentucky.
A
Thank
you
and
I
don't
know
what
we
would
have
done
without
all
the
help,
and
we
are
very
grateful.
I
would
like
at
some
point.
Maybe
the
west
kentucky
caucus
if
you
could
come
and
if
we
could
arrange
that
because
I'm
sure
there
are
a
lot
more
questions
as
we
move
into
latter
phases.
So
we
understand
what's
going
on
from
y'all's
perspective,
because
we're
it's
just
different
questions
that
we're
getting
and
it's.
A
I
don't
get
a
lot
of
calls
where
people
were
just
completely
frustrated,
the
one
that
I
did
get
you
all
had
already
taken
care
of
it.
So
I
appreciate
that.
But
there
just
there
are
some
and
I'm
starting
to
pick
up
that
there
seems
to
be
more,
maybe
discontent
that
things
aren't
moving
as
quickly
as
they
should,
but
but
the
enormity
of
this
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
just
take
some
time.
A
So,
the
better
we
understand
what
you
all
are
doing,
the
better
we
can
help
you
know
make
our
our
constituents
feel
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
that
the
help
is
common.
We
just
have
to
get
through
these
processes.
J
Certainly-
and
we
appreciate
your
support
as
well
of
this
fund
and
everything
we're
doing-
I
know
representative
dosset,
for
example-
we've
worked
quite
closely
with
him
on
these
issues
and-
and
I
think
it's
going
to
take
all
of
us
working
together
and
we
all
have
the
same
goal
is
to
help
these
people.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
Director
hicks,
would
you
like
to
add
anything
I'll
give
you
the
last
word.
No.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It's
been
a
long
day.
Okay,
I
understand
members
that
are
still
still
here.
Thank
you.
We
were
gonna
get
into
talking
about
the
topics
that
staff
will
be
studying.
What
we
did
this
time
is
we
took
a
list.
A
I
selected
two
co-chair
selected,
two
we're
still
in
that
process
right
now,
the
only
one
that
I'm
certain
of
is
a
study
on
child
protective
services,
as
it
relates
to
foster
care
and
getting
into
some
of
those
issues,
and
I
know
co-chair,
is
looking
at
some
also,
and
then
leadership
is
looking
at
another
proposal
for
the
senate
and
I
have
not
heard
back
from
them
so
hopefully,
by
the
next
meeting,
we
can
announce
what
those
topics
will
be
and
some
staff
can
move
forward.