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A
And
I'm
sure
you
folks
are
just
like
me.
You
hope
and
pray
that
we're
not
going
to
have
to
hear
this
for
the
next
hour
and
a
half,
but
we'll
try
to
endure
best.
We
can
first
automation
is
consideration.
The
minutes
of
the
May
9th
meeting
of
the
committee
is
there
a
motion.
That'd
be
considered
improved
Motion
in
a
second
again.
Please
call
the
roll.
B
A
Motion
carries
total
number
of
items
on
the
agenda
today
are
505
in
the
amount
of
249
million
five
hundred
and
thirteen
thousand
four
hundred
and
seven
dollars
and
seventy
four
cents
all
vendors
are
registered
with
the
Secretary
of
State's
office.
Next
order
business,
a
consideration,
the
agenda,
including
the
personal
service
contract
list,
PSC
Amendment
list
memorandum
of
agreement
list,
memorandum
of
agreement,
Amendment
list,
the
Kentucky
entertainment
extended
program
agreement
list
in
the
corrections
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review,
do
I
have
a
motion
consider
the
contracts
review
without
objection.
A
B
A
C
Foreign
good
morning,
thank
you.
Mr
chair,
I'm,
Wesley,
Phelps,
disability,
determination,
services,
department
for
income
support,
appreciate.
A
You
being
here
this
morning,
we
have
a
new
process
in
place.
We
started
last
month.
If
you
would
that
ask
you
to
raise.
Do
you
swear
affirmative,
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
or
nothing,
but
the
truth.
I
do.
Thank
you
appreciate
you
being
here.
I
have
a
question.
This
contract
be
pulled,
I.
Think
it's
a
pretty
simple
question
for
you.
A
Let
me
find
it
yes.
Under
all
these
contracts,
each
one's
384
thousand
dollars
exception,
number
nine,
which
is
five
hundred
sixteen
thousand
dollars.
Yes,
why
the
difference.
C
This
is
a
unique
situation
that
vendor
had
to
change
their
vendor
number
and
they
also
changed
their
vendor
number
to
include
their
LLC
instead
of
their
social
security
number
for
taxes.
So
this
contract
is
not
just
the
next
fiscal
year
renewal.
It
includes
the
remaining
funds
from
this
fiscal
year,
so
they
could
be
put
under
that
new
vendor
number.
A
C
The
384
000
on
fiscal
year,
24
contracts,
is
also
a
new
Total
because
the
rates
were
raised
by
Social
Security.
All.
A
B
A
F
A
H
F
A
H
H
A
I
Just
to
follow
up
with
that,
because
I
wouldn't
want
you
to
speculate,
did
you
actively
seek
any
seek
out
any
of
them
for
their
reasons,
for
not
wanting
to
apply.
D
F
Yeah
we're
seeing
the
the
program
the
amount
of
test
dwindling.
This
is
specific
for
long-term
care
facilities,
so
this
is
the
most
vulnerable
populations,
so
they
they're
continuing
to
do
these
tests.
G
It's
about
12,
almost
13
million
to
date
and
228
means
about
April
invoices
we
have,
we,
you
know,
may
is
still
trickling
them,
but
there's
been
about
13
million
spent
on
a
25
million
dollar
contract
current
year.
Okay,.
G
J
I
think
you
kind
of
I
think
I
might
have
got
my
answer.
Listen
in
addition
to
covet
I'm,
assuming
this
does
testing
for,
like
the
flu
and
other
types
of
illnesses
and
diseases.
Is
that
correct.
F
I
believe
it's
just
covet.
19.
F
A
A
A
A
I
found
a
very
interesting
is
conduct
a
market
analysis
and
it
says
specific
to
provide
funds,
examine
the
Affairs
transactions,
business
accounts,
records
documents
and
files
of
the
insurers
or
other
entities.
Last
persons
regulated
by
the
department
of
insurance
and
authorized
the
transax
insurance
business
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
K
I
mean
basically
what
a
market
conduct
exam
is:
is
an
audit
of
the
business
practices
of
the
insurance
company
and
what
we
look
at
when
we
go
in
and
do
a
market
conduct
exam
are
the
regulated
entities
operations,
how
they
license
their
agents
underwriting
and
rating
practices,
complaints,
appeals
and
grievance
practices,
Claims,
Settlement
practices,
marketing
and
sales
practices?
We
do
rely
on
the
legislature
to
provide
us
with
the
laws.
This
is
kind
of
our
way
to
go
in
and
check
and
make
sure
that
the
companies
are
abiding
by
the
laws.
A
Is
this
well,
the
contract
is
certain
23-24
is
so.
Is
this
an
annual
review.
K
It
is
most
companies
are
on
a
schedule,
but
we
can
go
into
a
company
earlier
than
they're
scheduled
if
we
notice,
in
our
say,
consumer
complaints
division
that
we're
receiving
a
lot
of
complaints
on
company
X.
We
can
move
up,
go
into
a
company
sooner
or
we
could
do
a
targeted
exam.
On
a
specific
instance
say:
complaint
handling.
K
K
A
I
A
B
A
L
A
I
asked
both
of
you
to
raise
your
right
hand
to
affirm
that
you
do
swear
to
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth
all
right.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
This
is
a
an
educational
opportunity
for
me
and
I
hope
from
other
committee
members.
It's
a
process
through
no
fault
of
you,
folks
that
I
really
don't
like,
and
we've
got
numerous
contracts
that
you
folks
have
presented
to
us
for
a
smorgas
Board
of
Services
and
they're
all
like
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
A
You
know
like
let
me
take
the
first
one
600
000
for
civil
engineering,
and
this
is
a
budgeted
amount.
We
don't
actually
have
contracts
that
are
ready
to
be
extended
for
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Is
that
a
fair
assessment
of
this
whole
process.
L
Yes,
sir,
it
is
these
contracts,
we
we
keep.
We
put
these
in
place
every
year
so
that
we
can
have
them
have
these
Trade
Services
available
when
we
need
them
in
the
event
of
emergent
activities
or
or
something
like
that.
So
it's
it
is
a
budgeted
amount,
but
we
don't
necessarily
use
every
dime
of
the
money
budgeted
for
these
contracts.
I've.
A
It's
hard
for
me
to
ascertain
whether
this
is
an
appropriate
expenditure
amount
or
not,
because
I
don't
know
the
history
and
every
year
we're
presented
with
these
with
these
quest
for
spending
levels,
but
that's
appropriate
term,
but
we
really
don't
know
in
retrospect
how
much
you've
actually
spent
and
so
I
don't
know.
First,
how
you
come
up
with
six
hundred
thousand
for
each
of
these
and
second
I,
don't
know
how
much
you've
spent
in
the
previous
year
or
biennial,
so
I
I
have
a
hard
time
ascertaining
where
this
is
an
appropriate
amount
or
not.
L
A
I
hope
you
understand:
you'll
want
to
see
600
000
words
of
science.
Behind
this
I'm
sure
it's
based
on
historical
performance
should
be
could
be,
but
if
you've
only
spent
200
000
one
year
and
the
next
year
you
come
back
with
you
know:
800
000,
there's
just
there's
just
no
rhythm
of
that
or
logic
to
that.
So
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
for
me,
particularly
if
I
knew
what
you
were
doing
retrospectively.
H
L
Sure,
again,
I,
as
I
said,
our
facilities
folks
are
excellent.
Budget
managers,
they're
they're
excellent
physical
stewards,
and
it
would
not
be
difficult
for
us
to
provide
that
job.
M
Yes,
I'd
be
happy
to
this
is
Brian
McKinnon
with
facilities,
management
and
safety,
and
certainly
a
pleasure
to
be
with
you
today.
Environmental
assessment
can
be
a
variety
of
things,
for
instance,
if
we
have
to
have
asbestos
abatement
of
a
house
we're
going
to
demo
all
the
way
to
excuse
me
all
the
way
to
if
we
have
an
environmental
concern
that
we
need
to
bring
a
contractor
in
to
assist
with.
M
A
D
Got
it
okay.
The
last
question
I
have
is
on
the
item
number
of
two
zero
five
zero
2023
regarding
interior
design,
I've
been
like
involved
in
a
lot
of
building
projects
and
things,
and
that's
that
sounds
awful
excessive
to
me
for
interior
design.
Work
I
mean
what
kind
of
what
kind
of
operations
going
on
when
you're
spending
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
get
somebody
to
do.
Interior
design.
M
This
would
be
a
ceiling
level.
The
intentions
are
to
not
meet
this
level,
just
to
give
us
the
authorization
for
the
bandwidth
to
do
so,
it
could
be
the
designing
of
a
project.
M
For
instance,
if
we
were
to
do
a
refresh
of
a
Lobby
would
be
an
example
or,
as
we
look
at
our
classroom,
spaces
bringing
them
up
to
a
modern
design
and
field
which
would
also
include
I.T
infrastructure,
things
of
that
nature,
getting
Design
Concepts
for
those
it
just
is
a
couple
of
few
examples:
the
intentions
not
to
utilize
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
to
give
the
bandwidth
should
we
have
a
need
moving
forward
for
an
interior
designer
we
can,
as
Ms
hansucker
stated,
can
absolutely
provide
you.
A
historical
utilization
of
this
particular
line.
D
A
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
what
Senator
Boswell
was
talking
about
and-
and
you
can
clarify
this
for
me-
we're
putting
this
in
here
in
case.
You
need
it
not
because
you've
already
planned
for
it.
A
I
A
All
right
motion
carries
thank
you
both
for
being
available
to
us
this
morning.
We
appreciate
the
information.
A
A
A
I
request
that
these
contracts
be
pulled
first.
I've
always
been
very
supportive
of
this
I
think
it's
great
that
we've
got
this
Regional
Concept
in
terms
of
Economic
Development,
but
I'm,
starting
to
get
some
tenure
on
me
now
and
I've
seen
these
contracts
for
some
time,
and
what
I
want
to
know
is
how
we
measuring
success
for
each
of
these
offices.
O
Thank
you
for
that
question.
We
have
implemented
a
metrics
process
for
the
six
Regional
Kentucky
Innovation
hubs.
They
represent
entrepreneurial
support
for
120
counties.
They
track
in
a
common
system
outcomes
and,
for
example,
the
outcomes
that
we
show
so
far
for
the
previous
fiscal
year
are
over
1900
startups
served
over
650
referrals
that
sometimes
result
in
investment
sometimes
result
in
great
connections
that
allow
these
businesses
to
grow.
O
They
also
reported
over
200
events
with
7
000
attendees,
so
this
measures
the
amount
of
influence
going
into
Community
to
encourage
the
community
to
start
a
business
and
grow
from
there.
We
also
have
a
gross
reporting
from
those
hubs
of
over
63
million
in
startup
investment.
At
result
of
this
initiative,.
A
O
A
A
Think
that
would
be
important
information
for
us
to
determine
how
to
do
this
going
forward,
particularly
on
a
regional
basis
and
which
leads
to
another
question
is:
do
we
look
at
expanding
this
service
to
other
areas
other
than
the
six
that
presently
have
offices.
O
That's
a
great
question
and
thank
you
for
it.
We
have
heard
a
lot
of
interest
from
our
communities.
A
lot
of
these
communities
across
the
Commonwealth
have
been
inspired
to
start
their
own
hubs
within
the
Kentucky
Innovation
Hub
system.
Of
course
it's
all
dependent
on
available
funding,
and
so
we
try
to
communicate
to
our
community
to
support
entrepreneurship
as
much
as
possible
because
it
is
really
moving
the
needle
for
a
lot
of
geographic
areas
across
Kentucky.
O
That's
a
great
question:
it
depends
on
the
different
characteristics
of
an
area.
We
have
Kentucky
Innovation
hubs
in
rural
parts
of
the
state,
also
in
urban
parts
of
the
state.
We
try
to
address
them
to
be
able
to
grow
equitably,
but,
of
course,
there
are
different
places,
different
types
of
businesses.
We
try
to
encourage
our
Kentucky
Innovation
hubs
as
Community
Driven
community-owned
organizations
to
meet
those
businesses
where
they
are
and
help
them
to
grow.
N
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
this
contract
will
be
the
last
year
for
renewals,
so
we
do
plan
to
do
another
RFP.
We
don't
do
renewals
every
two
years.
We
do
annual
renewals
renewals
on
these
types
of
contracts,
so
we
can
make
sure
we
have
the
right
metrics
in
place
and
the
right
budgets
for
these
contracts.
N
O
It's
in
part
from
the
response
from
the
original
RFP
for
this
opportunity,
but
it's
also
reflective
of
other
aspects
like
private
private
investment
coming
from
Community
local
contribution
into
the
success
of
these
hubs,
but
also
population
as
a
whole.
So
we
try
to
consider
multiple
opportunities
and
aspects
in
funding
these
hubs.
A
N
So
the
RFP
reflects
it
and
I
think
they
do
a
great
job.
Now
they
they
work
together.
So
it's
not
just
that
region.
If
somebody
has
a
experience
in
a
certain
area
from
Northern
Kentucky
and
there's
an
entrepreneur
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
that's
looking
at
that
they
will
reach
out
to
the
and
they
will
connect
them.
So
these
it's
a
team
approach,
so
it's
not
just
staying
by
region.
They
are
truly
working
collectively
across
the
state.
H
H
P
A
Well
again,
I've
always
been
supportive
of
the
program,
but
it
still
concerns
me
that
we
don't
get
our
resources
to
the
most
disadvantaged
communities
and
that's
under
criticism
of
you,
folks
I
think
it's
many
times
just
the
methodology
we
use
in
putting
these
programs
together,
but
again
not
minutes
of
criticism.
Central
Douglas.
I
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
I
would
ask
you
to
make
make
sure
you
got
a
pin,
a
pin
in
hand,
because
I've
got
a
couple
of
requests
for
you.
If
you
would
please
you're
right,
it
is.
It
is
a
team
approach
and
what
we're
asked
to
consider
is
whether
contracts
should
be
renewed
and
or
considered
and
carried
on,
and
that
data
would
be
extremely
helpful
to
us
and
here's
two
pieces
of
data
that
I'd
like
to
have
included
in
the
requests
for
any
future
contracts
to
this
committee.
I
One
is
I'd
like
us
not
only
to
to
track
the
business
failures
as
slash
successes.
I
We
need
that
data
to
be
able
to
assess
whether
or
not
the
contracts
are
viable,
whether
we
should
continue
these
contracts.
That's
really
important
to
the
committee
members.
We
actually
do
read
and
we
do
pay
attention,
and
this
would
help
us
tremendously
number
two.
I
I
We
really
want
to
be
more
involved
and
more
engaged
in
making
these
programs
a
success
and
and
possibly
spreading
these
programs
to
other
areas
of
our
Commonwealth
and
so
those
two
things
my
request
is
in
any
future
requests
for
contracts.
Those
two
bits
of
information
be
present
for
us
to
review.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair,
sir.
D
Yes,
contracts
at
the
bottom
of
the
section,
it
says
that
they,
they,
the
fundraising
and
sustainability
plan,
exhibits
the
organization's
ability
to
become
operationally
sustainable
within
three
years
without
State
funding.
When
did
these
contracts
begin
and
are
we?
Are
we
making
any
progress
where
the
state
will
not
be
funding?
These
I
mean
these
programs
I
find
it
would
tend
to
We
tend
to
to
Start
programs,
and
we
continue
to
final
forever.
The
economy
is
doing
great
right
now.
O
Sir,
thank
you
for
that
question.
This
is
the
third
renewal
of
the
contract.
We
have
monitored
the
hub's
ability
to
become
self-sustainable
along
the
way.
What
we
found
in
monitoring
the
outside
funding
coming
into
these
hubs
from
communities
federal
government
also
philanthropic
contributions-
is
that
they're
hovering
somewhere
between
15
to
30
percent.
Part
of
it
is
because
they're
trying
to
meet
the
needs
of
community,
especially
for
some
of
these
areas
that
are
underserved,
are
disadvantaged.
The
burden
of
trying
to
close
that
gap
of
funding
is
a
lot
harder
to
become
self-sustainable.
D
P
Our
so
the
previous
executive
director,
Tony
Ellis,
was
very
engaged
in
this
program,
as
is
Monique.
He
had
the
foresight
to
look
and
envision
metrics
how
we
can
get
data
driven
approaches
to
these
hubs.
I
think
that,
without
having
the
data,
it's
hard
to
really
assess
if
sustainability
is
overly
ambitious.
P
Now
that
we're
getting
two
years
or
so
worth
of
data
coming
in,
we
can
really
assess
where
our
needs
are,
where
the
sustainability
approach
is
what's
realistic,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
don't
really
want
to
penalize
entrepreneurs
in
these
communities
that
you're
trying
to
build
this
type
of
infrastructure
by
not
adequately
funding
them
from
the
get-go
and
thinking
that
everybody
can
be
sustainable.
When
really
there's
the
regions
need
to
have
a
tailored
approach
and
we're
now
getting
that
data
to
be
able
to
assess
that.
D
Yes,
I
understand
but
I
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
in
the
beginning
of
this
program
when
it
was
first
brought
to
the
legislature.
Whoever
was
funding
this.
This
information
was
put
in
there
and
so
the
funding
therefore
came
forward
based
on
probably
these
words
saying
that
this
would
be
sustainable.
So
then
my
last
question
is
this:
can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
the
program
in
regards
to
a
section
here
in
the
middle
and
I'm
going
to
read
it,
and
maybe
you
can
give
me
some
explanations
exactly
what
this
means.
D
It
says
that
that
develop
to
develop
and
Implement
a
plan
to
address
inclusiveness
within
the
region,
including
developmental,
supporting
programs
within
the
region
to
engage
minorities,
women
and
other
diverse
individuals
and
entities.
Clearly,
the
minorities
is
based
on
past
experiences,
pretty
self-explanatory
and
the
women.
Can
you
explain
to
me
what
it
means
here
by
inclusiveness
and
diverse
individuals.
O
Yes,
thank
you
for
your
question
that
language
has
a
remained
in
the
contract
for
each
of
the
previous
renewals.
One
of
the
goals
is
that
Kentucky,
in
partnership
with
the
federal
government,
has
access
to
small
business
investment
opportunities
and,
as
part
of
those
opportunities.
Some
of
those
incentives
that
were
available
to
Kentucky
were
on
the
basis
of
being
able
to
support
multiple
communities,
including
rural
urban,
veteran
owned
business,
women,
business
owners,
ethnic
differences.
O
O
Yes,
so
what
we
mean
by
inclusiveness
and
diverse
individuals
would
be
really
addressing
the
full
community,
so
it
may
be
veteran-owned
businesses,
it
may
be
women-owned
business.
There
is
a
full
list
available
from
the
U.S
Department
of
Treasury
as
part
of
the
state
small
business
credit,
Initiative
Program
I'm
more
than
happy
to
share
that
information.
For
that
full
definition.
It.
D
Just
seems
like
to
me
that
anyone
who's
who
wants
to
form
a
small
business
or
be
here
should
be
helped
and
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
be
specified
in
any
particular
category
of
individuals,
I'd
like
to
see
everyone
help,
regardless
of
whether
they're
a
minority
or
their
it's
a
middle
income
or
no
matter
what
color
they
are
or
whatever
and
I
get
I
start
to
get
a
little
concerned.
When
I
see
these
words
in
here
because
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
words
like
inclusiveness
and
diverse
individuals.
A
D
A
A
But
if
you
look
at
the
last
census,
those
areas
became
more
pronounced
throughout
the
state,
we're
losing
population
in
the
West
End
in
the
East
end
of
our
state,
and
it's
directly
related
to
Poverty
that,
like
like
a
jobs
there,
so
I
would
hope
that
we
would
give
special
attention
to
rural
economic
development
in
this
process
and
I
think
we
get
a
double
bonus
there.
First,
we
get
new
tax
revenue
from
most
businesses,
but
we
also
help
remove
people
from
entitlement
programs
and
Associated
payments,
so
I
think
in
terms
of
an
economic
strategy.
N
I
want
to
give
a
little
pitch
for
the
ssbc,
a
program
that
it's
the
2.0,
that
Monique
was
referencing
for
those
communities
and
a
lot
of
them
are
rural
communities
that
are
defined,
and
this
is
those
definitions
of
socially
and
economically
distressed
individuals.
N
They
could
be
eligible
for
a
higher
participation
so
right
now,
the
maximum
under
our
previous
program
was
up
to
20
percent
of
potentially
a
loan
participation
or
collateral
support
in
those
areas
we
can
participate
up
to
50
percent,
so
we
are
truly
we're
starting
to
roll
those
programs
out
and
starting
to
Market
those
programs,
and
so
I
do
want
to
give
a
little
pitch
to
that.
As.
A
Well
well,
thank
you
appreciate
Dave,
and
you
know
I
know
that
you
folks
don't
fight
this
about
it
alone,
part
of
the
the
major
struggle
for
real
communities,
lack
of
broadband,
and
you
can't
compete
in
in
the
national
International
economy.
If
we
don't
have
access
to
that,
our
legislature
certainly
made
the
commitment
with
350
million,
to
do
that.
I
think
we're
seeing
results
for
it,
but
we
have
to
understand
that
it's
going
to
be
difficult
to
recruit
businesses
to
rural
communities.
I
This
is
this
is
my
ignorance,
so
you
can
really
help
me
out
here.
We
talk
about
rural
communities,
we
have
120
counties
in
the
Commonwealth.
How
many
counties
are
considered
rural
communities.
O
That's
a
great
question
and
thank
you
for
it.
It
all
depends
on
the
program
for
the
Kentucky
Innovation
hubs.
We
didn't
come
up
with
a
specific
measure.
However,
we
with
six
Regional
hubs,
including
all
120
counties.
We
try
to
reach
all
entrepreneurs
across
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
for
some
of
our
federal
programs.
As
mentioned
the
ssbci
program.
They
do
have
a
formula
on
the
federal
level
by
which
they
determine
Rural,
and
that
does
give
additional
incentive
availability
for
communities
well.
I
N
Maybe
it's
closer
to
70,
maybe
it's
70
to
80k
I,
don't
know
offhand.
The
true
number
you're
right,
I
think
it's
like
75.
I'm
thinking
of
our
map
that
we
have
on
our
website,
but
we
can
send
that
to
you,
but
we
do
have
that
and
it's
available
and
that
relates
to
our
Kentucky
entertainment
incentive
program.
It
retains
relates
to
our
Kentucky
business
investment
program.
It
pertains
to
our
Angel
program,
so
Investments
and
jobs
and
things
that
are
being
created
and
included
in
those
communities
actually
are
eligible
for
a
higher
incentive
or
higher
benefit.
H
P
A
Well,
the
example
what
Dr
Center
Douglas
has
talked
about
is:
if
we
look
at
Health
Care,
you
know,
40
percent
of
our
population
is
considered
rural
in
Kentucky,
but
only
17
percent
of
primary
care,
physicians,
practice
in
rural
communities,
and
so
that
kind
of
disparity
creates
all
kinds
of
problems,
not
just
the
community
but
Downstream,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
passed.
This
last
legislative
session
was
to
develop
a
Medicaid
payment
methodology
based
on
the
national
deprivation
index.
A
So
is
that
information
that
you
folks
have
considered
or
would
consider
it
as
well,
because
that's
just
not
rule,
that's
also
Urban
and
you
can
do
it
by
ZIP
code.
So
I'd
like
to
see
more
of
our
fiscal
policies
aimed
at
using
that
index,
so
we
can
specifically
hone
in
on
those
communities
that
are
most
disadvantaged,
so
we
get
those
resources
to
them.
A
A
A
The
next
item
on
the
pool
list
with
the
Kentucky
Employers
Mutual
Insurance,
is
number
51
on
the
routine
PSE
list
and
we
do
have
Representatives
here,
live
and
in
person
we
like
live
and
in
person
good
morning.
If
you
would
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record
hi.
A
A
400
000
contract
to
do
an
injury,
triage
service,
and
it
says
in
our
description
here
this
toll-free
number
and
that
service
will
recommend
the
employee
to
return
to
work
with
self-care.
First
aid
instructions
to
receive
Medical
Care
at
the
designated
medical
facility.
Does
this
work?
This
group
work
like
a
main
scare
organization.
R
That
our
policyholders,
that
our
underwriting
team
offers
to
our
policy
holders
for
their
employees,
who
may
be
injured
on
the
job.
And
so
it's
sort
of
a
first
step
to
streamline
an.
H
R
A
Concern
again,
it
goes
from
a
rural
perspective.
Is
network
adequacy
if
they're
making
a
referral
to
a
medical
facility?
That's
not
in
the
immediate
area.
You
know,
Transportation
presents
a
problem
if
they
have
to
do
rehab
in
an
area,
that's
not
within
their
home
community.
That
presents
a
problem
so.
R
That
is
something
that
I
believe
the
department
of
workers
claims
actually
monitors,
and
so,
in
order
to
have
a
Managed,
Care
Organization
that
we
use,
we
have
a
managed
care
plan
that
we
file
with
the
Department.
This
is
something
that
has
to
address
where
you
know
our
network
of
service
providers,
where
they're
located
how
they're
licensed
how
we
access
them
and
it
is
required
that
we
have
care
available
within
a
certain
geographic
region
for
our
Injured
Workers.
R
R
We
have
our
Managed
Care
Organization
through
omca,
so
they
provide
Army.
A
A
Well
again,
it's
just
been
my
personal
experience
that
it's
working
with
the
Medicaid
mcos,
who
also
they
have
95
network
adequacy.
But
when
you
look
at
the
actual
numbers,
it's
significantly
less
than
that.
So
again,
my
concern
is
that
workers
may
not
be
getting
the
services
that
they
need,
or
they
may
not
be
able
to
get
them
within
their
home
Community,
which
provides
additional
burden
upon
them.
So
I
don't
have
an
alternative
for
you.
It
just
that's
a
concern.
I
have
with
contracts
of
this
nature,
but
is
is:
is
there
a
recourse
for
employees?
R
A
Okay,
let
me
give
a
weak
example:
I
have
what
I
think
is
a
sprained
ankle
at
work,
so
I
call
this
number
talk
to
nurse.
She
tells
me
either
to
ice.
It
elevate
it
and
follow
up
with
the
provider
in
two
three
days,
but
what,
if
I
think
it
maybe
is
a
torn
ligament
and
needs
immediate
attention?
Is
there
an
appeal
process
for
the
employee?
There's.
R
Actually,
no
requirement
that
the
employee
follows
what
the
nurse
is
saying:
it's
really
just
a
service
to
help
both
the
policyholder
and
the
employee
if
they
have
questions
or
want
to
streamline
the
process,
but
in
your
example,
your
ankle
is
hurting
really
badly.
You
think
okay
she's
recommending
that
I
ice
it,
but
that
doesn't
seem
like
that's
something
I
want
to
do.
You
could
say
back
I
think
I
need
to
go
to
go
on
to
urgent
care
or
I
would
like
to
go
to
the
emergency
room
or
see
a
primary
care
physician.
R
At
that
point,
the
nurse
would
share
with
you.
Okay,
these
are
the
five
nearest
are
emergency
treatment,
centers
that
are
within
kimi's,
Managed
Care
Organization,
and
you
could
go
on
to
whatever
treatment
you
saw
suitable.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
the
employee
makes
the
call.
Does
the
employee
make
the
call
after
they've
alerted
their
supervisor?
That's.
R
I
Is
to
your
knowledge,
because
this
is
an
area
where
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
a
lot
of
time?
Would
the
provider
be
aware
of
what
the
Injured
Workers
job
description
is.
R
A
D
I'll
just
make
a
comment.
This
is
this
is
an
area
where
I
know
a
lot
about
too
one
time.
I
had
500
employees
and
I
was
that
position.
I
was
this
person
and
I
required?
All
my
employees,
they
were
hurt,
makes
an
initial
call
to
our
office,
so
we
could
talk
to
them.
Sometimes
they
had
possibly
a
sprained
ankle.
They
didn't
necessarily
have
to
go
to
the
hospital.
For
example,
we
might
say,
would
you
go
home
for
the
rest
of
day
and
rest
your
ankle
and
call
us
back
tomorrow
and
now
so
many
times?
D
J
Question
this
is
more
for
my
curiosity,
because
I
know
during
2020
with
the
covet
pandemic
and
stuff
we
we've
we've
started
utilizing
telemedicine
more
and
more.
This
particular
service
that
you're
officing.
As
far
as
the
triage
aspect
of
it
would
you
say-
and
you
might
not
know,
but
is
it
predominantly
telemedicine
or
is
it
more
phone
calls
or
or
is
it
a
mixture
I'm
just
curious
to
I'm,
trying
to
to
gauge
how
much
the
telemedicine
arena
is
being
used,
pass,
covert.
J
R
The
initial
phone
call
to
the
nurse
is
always
it's
always
a
phone
call
right
and
then
the
nurse
at
that
point
can
recommend
telemed
telemedicine,
an
actual
in-person
visit,
other
things
like
that
I
don't
want
to
speculate
so
I'm,
not
sure
the
actual
percentage
of
our
claimants
that
are
using
telemedicine,
but
it
is
not
something
that
I've
heard
talked
about
very
frequently
like
I
said:
I
don't
want
to
speculate,
but
my
gut
instinct
is
that
a
lot
of
the
Care
is
still
happening
in
person
in
these
claims.
Okay,.
A
H
I
A
A
A
Vice
president
and
it's
great
to
have
you
on
board,
if
you
would
please
raise
your
right
hand,
do
you
swear
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth
the
whole
truth
or
nothing,
but
the
truth
make
sure
that
green
light
is
on
it
isn't,
okay,
it
may
pull
a
little
bit
closer
and
then
brand
new
Kentucky
State
University.
A
A
Did
they
tell
you
why
you're
here
today,
well,
one
of
the
I'm
gonna
say
deadly
sins
of
this
committee.
It's
certainly
one
of
my
deadly
sins
is
to
give
us
a
retroactive
approval,
a
request
for
a
contract,
because
it's
after
the
fact,
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
about
that
and
just
to
give
you
a
little
history.
Many
years
ago
we
used
to
get
these
on
a
routine
basis
and
that's
not
the
best
way
to
do
business,
and
this
is
a
retroactive
request.
A
I
did
receive
a
a
letter
of
the
explanation,
but
I
don't
know
that
I
find
it
totally
acceptable,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
the
process
is.
S
So
actually
we
started
this
project
I
guess.
Last
year
with
RFP
was
posted.
Last
year
we've
had
a
transition
between
purchasing
directors.
We
had
a
trans
one
person
that
I
worked.
There
was
going
to
a
different
area
within
and
then
the
transition
was
coming
in
and
I
think
this
may
have
gotten
caught
up
in
the
transition.
S
We've
actually
had
this
prep
since
February
we've
been
trying
to
get
it
on
since
March
I
guess
some
something
was
missed
coming
here
for
April,
but
it
was
on
our
board
for
approval
and
then
same
thing
happened
in
may.
We
was
informed
that
internally
with
the
new
person
that
it
was
transmitted
to
the
wrong
person,
so
it
wasn't
able
to
be
on
for
the
May
so
subsequently
we're
here
now.
A
Well,
we
do
understand,
we
I
think
I
could
speak
on
behalf
of
the
committee
in
our
legislature
that
these
are
very
tumultuous
times
for
him.
Kentucky
State,
you
have
our
utmost
support
in
trying
to
right
the
ship,
and
we
know
there's
a
challenge
associated
with
that.
So
I
would
personally
give
you
a
pass
on
this
one.
Thank.
O
A
Please
note
that
we
refer
to
see
these
things
rather.
S
S
No
I
really
appreciate
that
and
I
think
with
the
partnership
that
we
have
with
CPE
as
part
of
the
management
Improvement.
H
S
These
are
some
of
my.
These
are
some
things
that
we're
putting
in
place.
Actually,
this
PSC
is
going
to
help
us
put
policies
in
place
and
update
our
policies
to
ensure
that
people
are
being
cross-trained.
H
A
Can
we
blame
this
one
on
Dr,
Thompson,
I.
D
S
This
is
a
requirement
of
HB
250
as
part
of
the
management
Improvement
plan.
We're
required
to
do
this.
S
Can't
confirm
if
it's
going
to
be
annual
I
would
defer
to
our
newly
elect
president-elect
Dr
Capo,
to
see
if
this
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
Strategic
plan
going
forward.
Okay,.
D
Well,
I
I
certainly
I.
Would
we
want
to
prove
this,
but
I'm
not
sure
I
would
be
willing
to
prove
this
be
done
on
an
annual
basis,
because
that
not
very
many
businesses,
but
do
something
like
this
every
year
and
expend
this
kind
of
money,
especially
at
times
when
things
are
kind
of
tight,
so
I
don't
know
we
should
I,
guess
we'll
be
looking
for
it
again
next
year.
If
we
see
it,
we
might
be
concerned
about
it.
S
Would
prefer
not
to
speculate
because
I'm,
not
in
that
we
can
provide
recommendations
to
our
newly
elect
preference
forward.
I
know
the
intention
of
this
was
purely
a
one-off
for
this
year
for
it
as
the
management
Improvement
plan
that
then
Set.
Whatever
the
findings
come
from
this,
we
need
to
make
sure
we
find
the
resources
for
the
equitability.
S
We
need
to
find
the
resources
moving
forward,
but
for
this
we're
looking
for
the
Baseline
to
set
our
long-range
planning,
which
I
don't
think
it
may
be
annually
at
that
point,
but
again,
I
think
I
would
prefer
our
executive
leadership
set
that
direction
as
we
move
forward.
A
E
I
You
Mr
chairman,
first
of
all,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
I
want
to
welcome
you.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
realize
this
is
a
contract
for
seven
months,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly
and
it
says
upon
receipts
and
invoices
a
receipt
of
invoices,
so
this
may
not
all
be
spent.
Is
that
my
understanding.
S
No,
so
I
think
it
all
will
be
spent.
Cpe
graciously
gave
us
150
000
and
we're
only
on
the
hook
for
about
49
000,
so
right
now
the
current
contract.
All
of
this
will
be
spent.
H
S
Well,
this
was
part
of
the
scope
of
work,
the
scope
of
work
that
we
negotiated
for
the
RFP
through
the
RFP
process,
multiple
companies
bidded
on
and
the
committee
that
ultimately
selected.
This
identified
the
scuffle
of
work,
and
actually
we
have
to
rewrite
the
scope
of
work
to
get
it
down
into
a
reasonable,
a
reasonable
budget
that
we
was
afforded
to
get.
So
we
are
anticipating
that
this
full
amount
will
be
spent
and
part
of
the
contract.
S
I
think
there
was
a
portion
in
it
if
I
remember
correctly,
I
think
the
invoices
are
like
32
or
33
000
per
month
after
the
initial
preliminary
meeting
with
Gallagher.
A
T
A
U
A
U
Sir,
so
just
two
of
them
on
their
face,
two
of
the
contracts
were
approved
by
the
committee
last
June.
U
Amendments
because
of
the
I
guess
change
of
name
of
the
organization-
they've
changed
their
federal
ID
number,
so
they
have
to
come
back
one
of
those
expires.
At
the
end
of
the
month,
we
put
out
an
RFP
to
replace
that
contract.
That
expires
this
month,
and
that
is
the
non-amended
application.
The
one
ending
with
a
pon2857
I've
got
that
we
had
that
out
for
an
RFP
for
four
weeks
with
one
respondent,
and
that
was
the
respondent
that
we
chose
as
the
vendor.
A
Duly
noted,
and
just
for
the
Committees,
maybe
information,
you
know
we're
one
of
26
states
that
in
California
has
boycotted
because
of
legislation
passed
and
interesting
enough
beyond
the
state
of
California.
There's
specific
metropolitan
areas
such
as
San
Francisco,
is
taking
the
same
action,
but
San
Francisco
has
recently
decided
that
doing
so
was
a
mistake
and
they
are
attempting
to
rescind
that
restriction
upon
us,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
A
D
I
think,
as
we
go
forward,
Senator
Meredith
I
think
you've
got
an
excellent
thoughts
about
this
and
I
think
we'll
go
look
even
stronger
as
we
go.
If
we
continue
to
be.
If,
if
California
continues
to
deal
with
us,
I.
H
A
P
J
Going
to
explain
my
yes
vote
because,
like
Senator
Meredith
I've
been
one
of
them.
One
of
the
few
people
in
this
community
for
the
past
several
years
has
been
trying
to
bring
attention
to
this
situation
with
California.
Unfortunately,
our
Administration
and
other
folks
within
our
state
government
fail
to
recognize
it,
but
I
will
vote
Yes
on
this,
since
the
the
two
of
the
contracts
have
already
been
approved.
J
I
don't
want
to
hamper
anything
that's
already
in
in
progress,
but
at
the
echo
Senator
Boswell's
concern
there
we're
as
a
state,
if
we're
going
to
allow
other
states
to
try
to
intentionally
inflict
economic
hardships
on
this
state,
and
we
continue
to
do
business
with
them.
J
It's
going
to
create
such
a
domino
effect
eventually
in
this
state
to
where
it's
going
to
hurt
us
and
we
as
the
legislator
and
as
the
government
government
of
this
state
need
to
address
this,
and
we
need
to
address
it
head
on,
and
so
I
will
continue
to
push
for
disapproval
of
California
contracts
in
the
future
because
of
that.
But
under
the
circumstances,
since
two
of
these
contracts
has
already
been
approved,
I
don't
want
to
impede
that
so
I
will
vote
Yes.
A
I'm,
a
symbolic:
no,
we
have
enough
votes
to
pass,
but
someone
has
to
stand
firm
grips
in
the
heart,
no,
not
not
attempting
to
cast
any
dispersion
on
a
new
one,
but
y'all
Eagles
Fly
alone.
E
U
J
A
I
won't
take
it
as
a
personal
offense,
so
we're
looking
at
79
and
80..
If
you
would,
please
raise
your
right
hand
and
ask
that
you
and
do
you
swear
to
firm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
about
the
truth.
I.
Q
A
Q
A
That's
my
same
issues
with
your
two
contracts
is
they're
half
a
million
dollars
each,
but
it
doesn't
really
give
us
a
whole
lot
of
information
again.
This
isn't
a
process
that
you
folks
created,
but
I
would
ask
same
commitment
from
you,
folks
that
we
got
from
EKU
that
you
would
brought
us
with
follow-up
reporters
to
actually
how
much
we
have
spent
this
amount
that
that
we're
agreeing
to
appropriate
is
that
fair.
Q
Sir,
in
the
in
the
past
year
year
to
date,
the
one
for
architectural
services
we
spent
about
130
000.
for
Engineering
Services
about
190.
and
that
that
comes
really
because
of
all
the
we
were
blessed
to
have
a
fair
amount
of
funding
for
asset
preservation
projects,
which
we
greatly
appreciate,
and
we've
had
to
rely
up
on
these
outside
services.
To
help
us
for
these
designs.
A
A
E
A
A
V
So
if
it
would
be
the
department
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
we
chose
to
find
another
fund
source
to
continue
that-
or
you
know
if,
if
the
school
or
District
or
Co-op
or
university,
would
be
able
to
take
that
that
role
for
us
and
fund
it
so
it'd
be
a
matter
of
looking
for
an
alternate
fund.
Source
have.
A
A
The
one
that's
herbs
and
funded
from
our
general
fund
all
super
come
up
on
another
budget
cycle
in
this
next
year.
A
A
P
A
Final
item
on
the
pool
list,
or
also
Department
of
Education
number
38
through
45
on
the
Moa
5
50
000
and
under
our
gray
list.
A
A
A
Not
to
be
redundant,
but
if
you
would
please
raise
your
right
hand
and
do
you
swear
and
affirm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
or
nothing,
but
the
truth
I
do
I
do.
Thank
you
appreciate
it
again.
My
question
was
that
what
kind
of
the
global
plan
is
for
this?
Well,
we
have
one
in
each
School
within
171
school
districts
from.
X
My
perspective
I
wish
we
could.
As
you
know,
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education
cannot
mandate
such.
But
if
you
look
at
the
research
and
of
the
effectiveness
of
our
common
spaces,
early
research,
you
can
see
assertling
something
that
we
need
to
consider
and
then
on
the
second
and
third
Pages.
You
can
see
the
research
scientific
research
behind
common
spaces,
but
the
first
page
is
really
grounded
in
Kentucky.
This
is
what's
happening,
especially
in
our
rural
areas.
These
contracts
are
in
the
primary
rural
districts
and
I'll.
X
Ask
Dr
Sweeney
if
I'm
correct
in
that,
but
we
would
love
this.
If
it's
something
that's
good
for
one
District,
it
should
be
good
and
it's
working
to
help
staff
out
helping
students
out
decreasing
disruptions,
as
you
can
see
from
the
first
three
main
items
it's
happening.
These
are
from
the
voices
of
people
in
the
field.
A
X
Yeah
I'll
make
one
quick
comment
and
Dr
Sweeney
I
know
he'll
eloquently
explain
this
a
lot
better
than
I
would,
but
this
is
exactly
Senator
Meredith.
This
is
Theory
meeting
practice.
This
is
Theory
meeting
action
in
your
Kentucky
classrooms,
Dr
Sweeney.
T
Yes,
so
thank
you,
Dr
Tucker,
and
thank
you
for
your
question.
Senator
Meredith,
all
districts
and
schools
that
have
these
common
spaces
are
required
to
have
a
sustainability
plan.
They're
also
required
to
work
with
students
to
teach
them
how
to
use
these
along
with
working
with
families.
Many
of
our
families
have
already
reported
that
their
kids
are
using
these
strategies
at
home
as
well.
So
sustainability
is
at
the
Forefront
and
it
should
not
just
become
a
Supply
Closet.
T
T
Sure
can
I
give
you
a
personal
example:
yeah,
please,
okay,
my
I
have
three
sons,
twins
that
are
seven
years
old,
first
grade
I
know
and
then
a
kindergartner.
That's
six
one
of
my
sons.
It
was
a
hard
transition
to
elementary
school.
So
one
of
the
things
that
his
teachers
quickly
realized
is
that
he
needed
an
area
of
the
classroom
where
he
could
walk
and
just
take
a
moment.
H
T
Collect
themselves
himself,
they
actually
allowed
him
to
bring
a
stuffed
animal
to
class
and
he
could
squeeze
that
stuffed
animal
to
emotionally
regulate
right.
He
because
of
this
he
would
not
have
outbursts
in
class
in
class
outperson
classes.
He
would
be
able
to
be
more
amenable
to
teacher
instruction
to
his
peers.
Etc
and
the
same
thing
is
the
same
concept
right.
So
we've
got
calming
spaces
in
the
corners
of
classrooms.
If
a
student
is
feeling
dysregulated
or
that
they
are
going
through
something
they
can
take
a
moment,
take
a
quick
break.
T
They
have
been
informed
and
educated
on
how
to
use
these
spaces.
They
can
go
there.
They
can
either
use
a
fidget,
they
can
use,
they
can
color,
they
can
take
that
moment
of
mindfulness
and
then
reinsert
themselves
in
that
learning
environment,
once
they're
ready
and
normally
there's
a
timer.
So
it's
not
like
they're
going
out
for
an
extreme
amount
of
time.
No,
it's
three
to
five
minutes.
A
A
T
Not
at
all
and
students
aren't
sent
there
often
because
of
that
instruction
that
they've
been
given
at
the
beginning
of
the
school
year
and
about
those
spaces
they
can
opt
in.
Our
research
is
very
clear
about
today's
youth.
They
want
to
destigmatize
mental
health.
They
want
to
destigmatize
need
in
that
moment,
and
so
we
don't
into.