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B
A
A
A
C
A
Thank
you
man
for
being
with
us
today.
There
is
a
staff
amendment
for
this
specific
greg.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval?
Please
there
is
a
motion
in
a
second
without
objection
it
is
so
ordered.
Do
you
have
anything
you'd
like
to
add?
No,
sir,
all
right.
Are
there
any
questions
from
any
of
the
members
today
of
the
subcommittee
in
the
on
this
wreck.
B
D
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
pretty
standard
procedure
here,
I'm
right
here
exactly
pretty
pretty
standard
procedure
here.
What's
what's
the
reason,
why
are
we
doing
an
emergency
and
not
an
order
wreck.
D
D
So
in
order
to
have
something
in
place,
just
in
the
event
something
did
happen,
it's
better
to
be
safe
than
sorry
that
we
would
have
people
covered
under
the
fred
capps
act,
so
there
would
be
something
in
place
to
cover
them.
In
the
event,
something
happened
until
we
got
our
reg.
Our
new
administrative
regulation
in
place.
F
A
Let
me
just
kind
of
work
off
that,
so
at
the
present
time
there
is
no
ordinary
rag
for
this.
D
D
A
Okay,
I
I'm
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
still
following
100
or
not
senator
west,
I
think
wants
to
follow
up.
F
It
just
what
what
regulation,
what
house
bill
is
this
in
reaction
to.
A
Any
other
members
have
any
questions.
Are
the
members
satisfied
with
the
answers
we
got?
A
There
appears
to
be
no
other
questions,
so
thank
you
for
your
time.
Please
call
the
next
regulation.
E
201190
amends
accountancy
examination,
provisions
to
reorganize
sections
of
the
uniform,
cpe
examination
commensurate
with
changes
by
the
american
institute
of
certified
public
accountants
and
established
website
notification
of
examination
results.
The
staff
suggested
amendment
delete
section
4,
which
related
to
the
testing
window
that
is
no
longer
applicable
and
then
section
1
to
delete
the
term
testing
window
and
then
section
2
to
remove
provisions
related
to
the
testing
window,
and
it
means
various
sections
to
comply
with
krs
chapter
13a.
A
A
A
B
H
201
kr
2
106
e
and
o
and
meant
to
modify
the
definition
of
temporary
closures
and
create
new
requirements
for
pharmacy.
Permit
holders
relating
to
temporary
closure,
such
as
written
notification
to
the
board
of
pharmacy,
patient
patient-facing,
signage
on
all
pharmacy
entrances
and
drive-through
windows
updates
on
the
phone
message
and
website
of
the
pharmacy.
A
I
A
Welcome
today,
would
you
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
today
sure.
G
A
A
H
H
201
kr
14040
amends
to
require
the
shop
to
display
the
permit
card
in
a
current
picture
of
each
barber,
an
independent
contract
owner
at
the
station,
where
the
person
is
working
and
at
each
student
workstation
in
a
school
barbering
two
on
kr14105
amends
to
clarify
the
required
fee
to
be
submitted
is
to
be
submitted
along
with
the
enrollment
application
for
a
barber
school
201kr14110
amends
to
include
white
boards
and
school
equipment
stipulate.
The
board
shall
be
notified
upon.
H
201Kr14125
amends
to
delete
confusion.
Language
relating
to
industry
licensure
provide
continuity
of
terms,
reduce
the
time
to
qualify
from
600
to
400
hours
and
remove
the
12-month
requirement
to
test
201
kr14150
amends
to
prohibit
monthly
attendance
records
from
being
amended
after
the
last
day
of
the
month.
H
Two
on
care
14180
amends
to
change
the
instructor
of
barbering
examination
fee
from
250
dollars
to
100
dollars
per
section
for
three
sections:
decrease
the
instructor
of
barbering
late
fee
from
a
hundred
dollars
to
fifty
dollars
and
establish
a
hundred
dollar
instructor
student
permit
card
fee.
The
staff
amendments
for
201,
kr,
1440,
50,
85,
105,
110,
115,
125,
150
and
180
all
meant
to
make
various
changes
for
clarity
and
to
comply
with
keras
chapter
13.
H
A
additionally
201
kr
14
115
amends
section
1
to
clarify
the
application
deadline
and
then
section
9
to
update
the
instructor's
application
for
examination
to
change
the
exam
fee
to
100
per
exam
section
for
consistency
with
201
care,
14180
and
updates
all
exam
applications
for
consistency
with
deadline
date.
Revisions.
A
A
A
The
only
question
I
don't
have
a
question.
The
only
comment
that
I
would
have
is
most
people
would
disagree
when
you
dropped
90
alcohol
to
70.,
I'm
joking,
I
apologize.
That's
that's
a
bad
joke,
I
guess,
but
did
you
get
that
senator
west
and
also?
Let
me
just
comment
on
this.
I've
been
on
this
committee
for
several
years
and
I'm
not
sure
yet.
If
I've
seen
one
where
the
fee
is
going
down
most
of
the
times,
our
fees
are
going
up,
but
so
there
being
no
questions.
K
B
C
201
26
115
is
being
amended
to
delete
the
provision
that
the
practice
of
psychology
shall
be
construed
within
the
meaning
of
the
definition
contained
in
krs-31910
without
regard
to
whether
payment
is
received
for
services
rendered
26125
is
being
amended
to
add
temporary
licensed
psychological
associate
licensed
psychologist
and
any
credential
holder
under
discipline
to
the
list
of
individuals
who
are
clinically
supervised
by
a
health
service
provider.
26
130
is
being
amended
to
comply
with
the
formatting
requirements
of
krs.
Chapter
13a
26155
is
being
amended
to
update
material
incorporated
by
reference.
C
26160
is
being
amended
to
update
the
required
examinations.
26175
is
being
amended
to
require
that
an
application
for
continuing
education
be
received
at
least
30
days
before
the
program
of
instruction
and
that
a
certificate
cannot
be
sent
to
an
attendee
until
the
program
is
approved
by
the
board.
26
185
is
being
amended
to
update
provisions
and
the
material
incorporated
by
reference
26190
is
being
amended
to
clarify
the
requirements
for
internships.
C
26
215
is
being
amended
to
update
the
application
form.
26225
is
being
amended
to
update
material
incorporated
by
reference.
26230
is
being
amended
to
require
that
an
applicant
create
a
remediation
plan
if
they
fail
the
national
exam
and
to
delete
the
material
incorporated
by
reference
section.
26
250
is
being
amended
to
specify
that
supervision
must
be
clinical.
26
270
is
being
amended
to
delete
unnecessary
language
pertaining
to
exam
requirements.
26310
is
being
amended
to
require
the
documentation
of
the
telehealth
appointment
takes
place
within
48
hours.
A
Whoever's
joining
us
today.
Would
you
please
identify
yourself
at
this
time.
A
Thank
you,
dr
nash,
and
mr
winstead
for
being
with
us
today.
There
are
staff
amendments.
Is
there
a
motion
for
the
approval
of
the
staff
amendments?
There
is
a
motion
and
there
is
a
second
without
objection.
It
is
so
ordered.
Are
there
any
questions
for
either
of
our
presenters
today.
A
Yes,
sir
senator
yates
you're
behind
the
pole
there,
sir,
I
see
you
go
right
ahead.
Please.
J
Behind
that
on
it,
mr
dr
nash,
thank
you
for
being
with
us
today.
I
had
a
quick
question
on
the
201kr
2615.
J
It
looks
like
it
had
been
deferred
from
the
february
meeting,
but
it
was
the
licensed
psychologist.
The
application
temporary
licensing
on
there
seemed
what
changes
had
that.
I
know
that
from
some
my
own
exploring
and
even
some
litigation,
we've
had
some
issues,
sometimes
with
temporary
license
being
given
for
psychologists,
and
you
know,
there's
supposed
to
be
certain
amount
of
oversight
and
done
and
looking
to
see
how
those
are
held
accountable
for
failure
to
have
that
oversight.
J
I
Thank
you
and
I
believe
this
one
primarily
updates
some
forms
or
a
form
the
application
to
clarify
how
to
report
information
regarding
the
practicum
and
it,
of
course
changed.
The
review.
Excuse
me
the
revision
date.
I
believe
there
was
a
spot
on
that
forum
that
referred
to
advanced
practicum
and
that
that
word
advance
was
being
taken
out.
I
There
was
another
statement
in
that
part
of
the
form
and
here's
where
I
need
to
pull
up
the
form
to
get
it
right,
but
it
said
something
about:
they
don't
need
to
provide
something
and
that
statement
was
being
removed
and
I'll.
Look
that
up
here
in
just
a
moment.
J
And
if
I
make
the
reason
I
ask,
is
we
it
just
has
a
one
page
and
I
was
trying
to
plug
it
in
together,
but
it's
saying
that
it's
going
to
it
says
page,
one
under
necessity:
function
and
conformity
under
line
10.
It
says
after
applicants
for
licensure
delete.
J
I
just
want
to
see,
because
my
concern
is,
we
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would,
and
I
I
know
this
may
be
just
a
very
minor
change.
I
just
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
could
reduce
the
oversight
and
the
necessity
for
that.
The
requirement
that
we
are
given
oversight
if
someone
has
a
limited
license
means
they
haven't
completed
the
basic
requirements
in
order
to
be
able
to
supervise
in
these
clinics.
G
Yeah-
and
I
like
I,
have
the
regulation
pulled
up
and
I'm
not
seeing
a
place
where
you're
talking
about
there
is
nothing
that
the
board
is
recommending.
That
would
decrease
oversight
at
all
like
we're
in
absolute
agreement
with
you.
We
want
as
much
oversight
as
we
can
get
over
our
master's
level
clinicians
and
our
temporarily
licensed
folks.
So
that
absolutely
is
not
the
intent
of
any
of
our
changes.
J
Doctor
you're
going
to
remember
I
had
the
beginning.
I
had
to
apologize
if
I'm
misreading
something
so
apparently
this
was
they
just
handed
to
me:
they're,
not
deleting
those
words
they
put
those
they're
deleting
the
comma,
and
I'm
perfectly
fine
with
that.
So
I
just
gotta
get
right
up
for
nothing,
but
it
did
perfect.
It
did
give
me
a
little
heartburn
it
worried
me.
I
thought
we
were
getting
rid
of
that
oversight.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
senator
any
other
questions
or
comments.
A
B
Board
of
licensure
for
massage
therapy,
201
kar,
420102,
30,
35,
40,
50,
61,
70,
80
and
110.
I'll
exit
for
10
have
staff
suggested
amendments.
H
H
H
201Kr42070
amends
to
require
an
applicant
to
submit
a
fingerprint
fingerprint
check
from
the
fbi,
a
passport
size
photo
and
proof
of
work
for
the
six
months
preceding
one
year
with
their
application
established
requirements
for
reciprocity
for
of
spouses
and
dependents
of
armed
forces.
Members
established
an
applicant
with
a
criminal
history
may
be
interviewed
by
the
board,
establish
an
appeal
procedure
and
incorporate
a
form.
H
201
k
ar
42110
amends
to
lower
the
number
of
required
hours
from
24
to
12
hours.
Every
two
years
require
at
least
three
hours
of
ethics,
establish
requirements
for
specific
and
required
training
for
massage
therapists
to
use
pulsed
electromagnetic
field
or
microcurrent
devices
and
update
forms.
The
staff
amendments
for
42020,
30,
35,
40,
50,
61,
70,
80
and
110
all
make
changes
for
clarity
and
to
comply
with
karis
chapter
13a.
A
All
right,
thank
you
again,
would
whomever
is
joining
joining
us
today.
Please
come
to
the
table
and
identify
yourself
at
this
time.
I
Yes,
sir
kevin
winstead
again
here
for
these
regulations
as
well,
commissioner
of
the
department
of
professional
licensing
and
contact
person
for
these
regulations,.
A
You
miss
logsdon
for
being
with
us
today.
There
are
staff
amendments.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval
of
the
staff
amendments?
There
is
a
motion.
There
is
a
second
without
objection,
it
is
so
ordered.
Are
there
any
questions
today
from
any
of
the
members
of
the
subcommittee
representative
frazier
gordon
proceed?
Please.
G
Thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
today.
It's
helpful
when
you're
here
in
person,
I
have
a
question
in
regards
to
the
letters
of
good
standing,
the
fees
and
in
regard
to
that,
are
there
other
agencies
that
charge
for
these
fees
charge
these
fees
for
similar
type
letters.
I've
been
involved
on
on
a
couple
of
different
boards
and
seen
the
regs
come
through
here,
and
I've
never
seen
a
fee
for
a
letter
of
good
stand.
E
E
G
Go
ahead,
so
the
fees
are
both
to
the
schools
that
want
to
be
approved
for
their
educational
tracks
and
also
for
the
licensees.
E
G
A
A
I
B
A
B
E
301
5001
amends
chapter
definitions
to
make
technical
corrections.
301
5030
amends
the
process
for
purchasing
licenses
and
permits
to
reorganize
provisions
for
clarity
and
make
technical
corrections.
301
5100
amends
procedures
for
reciprocal
enforcement.
Pursuant
to
the
interstate
wildlife
violators
compact
to
make
technical
corrections,
the
staff
suggested
amendment
amidst
various
sections
to
comply
with
krs
chapter
13a.
G
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
storm
and
mr
clark
glad
to
have
you
both
with
us
today.
There
are
staff
amendments
on
these
regulations.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval
of
the
staff
amendments?
There
is
a
motion
and
there
is
a
second
without
objection.
It
is
so
ordered.
A
Commissioner,
again,
thank
you
for
your
time
today,
just
on
on
the
301
005
100,
the
interstate
wildlife.
The
could
you
just
give
me
a
quick
overview
of
that
greg
exactly
what
that,
as
is
doing.
A
B
H
302
kr
5056
amends
to
establish
procedures
and
requirements
for
hemp,
sampling
and
thc
testing
and
for
the
movement
or
disposal
of
hemp.
Following
the
completion
of
thc
testing,
add
to
new
definitions,
certified
seed
and
hemp
transplants,
add
a
new
section
3
in
which
standards
and
procedures
are
established
for
performance-based
sampling.
A
Thank
you,
mr
quarles
glad
to
have
you
with
us
today.
There
are
no
amendments
on
these
on
these
regulations
here.
Are
there
any
questions
from
from
any
of
the
subcommittee
members
concerning
our
hemp
regulations
today,
I
think
senator
west
has
a
question.
Sir:
go
right
ahead,
cindy.
F
Thank
you,
mr
quarles.
Thank
you
chairman.
Could
you
briefly
describe
the
thc
concentration
percentage
where
we
were
and
then
where?
Where
does
this
in
relation
to
previously,
where
we
were,
how
does
this
stack
up.
G
Thanks,
mr
west
there's
no
change
with
the
thc
concentration.
The
only
change
that
you're
really
seeing
here
in
the
collection
of
filings
are
to
have
our
set
of
regs,
be
certified
by
the
united
states
department
of
agriculture
as
a
state
plan
and
approved
by
them.
The
federal
thc
concentration
levels
are
set
at
0.3
of
one
percent
and
kentucky
law,
and
these
regulations
both
follow
that
level.
G
F
F
F
Actually,
it
actually
hasn't
changed
yeah
right,
that's
that's
a
high
bar
three
percent,
but
so
that
hasn't
changed
anything
that's.
That
was
my
only
question.
Thank.
A
C
501
6030
amends
the
policies
and
procedures
of
kentucky
state
reformatory
and
deletes
several
outdated
policies.
6290
establishes
the
policies
and
procedures
of
the
southeast
state
correctional
complex.
The
staff
suggested
amendments
to
these
regulations
amidst
various
sections
to
comply
with
the
drafting
requirements
of
krs
chapter
13a
and
the
material
incorporated
by
reference
for
clarity
and
consistency.
A
All
right
there
are
staff
amendments.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval
of
the
staff
amendments?
There
is
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second
without
objection,
it
is
so
ordered.
Are
there
any
questions
from
any
of
the
members
of
this
subcommittee
for
either
miss
barker
or
what
would
you?
What
was
your
name
again?
Sarah?
I
apologize.
G
A
We
do
have
someone
today
that
has
signed
up
to
speak
against
501
k-I-r-k-a-r-06290.
K
All
right,
my
name
is
kevin
sharkey,
I'm
a
staff
attorney
with
kentucky
protection
and
advocacy.
A
Protection
advocacy
all
right,
gentlemen.
You
have
signed
up
today
to
speak
against
this
one
specific
reg.
You
may
proceed.
K
All
right,
thank
you,
distinguished
members
of
the
subcommittee,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
come
and
testify
today.
My
name,
I'm
kevin
sharkey
again,
and
I
work
with
kentucky
protection
and
advocacy.
K
And
where
can
we're
kentucky's
federally
mandated
disability
rights
agency?
One
of
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
is
identify
and
address
abuse,
neglect
and
rights.
Violations
in
facilities
that
provide
services
for
people
with
disabilities,
jails
and
prisons
are
the
largest
providers
of
mental
health
services
and
therefore
one
of
our
priorities
is
to
ensure
that
mentally
ill
people
in
prison
that
their
rights
are
not
being
violated.
K
We've
made
it
a
priority
of
ours
to
work
to
end
solitary
confinement
within
kentucky's
jails
and
prisons.
Solitary
confinement
involves
housing
individuals
in
a
cell
for
22
hours
a
day
with
minimal
contact
with
other
people.
K
In
fact,
a
bill
was
recently
filed
in
kentucky
to
severely
limit
the
practice.
In
january
we
shot.
We
sought
to
restrict
the
use
of
solitary
confinement
for
people
with
serious
mental
illness
by
following
comments
to
two
chapters
of
southeast
state.
Correctional
complexes
proposed
policies
and
procedures.
K
The
chapters
we
commented
on
were
10-1-1
restrictive
housing
unit
and
1371
suicide
prevention
and
intervention
program.
We
appreciate
the
dlc,
considering
our
comments
and
making
changes
to
the
restrictive
housing
chapter
with
respect
to
the
suicide
prevention
and
intervention
chapter
of
the
policies.
K
We
stated
that
if,
for
any
reason,
our
recommendations
could
not
be
accomplished
at
southeast
state
correctional
complex,
then
the
policy
should
be
amended
to
provide
for
the
transfer
of
seriously
mentally
ill
individuals
after
72
hours
on
suicide
watch
to
a
facility
that
can
provide
a
higher
level
higher
level
of
mental
health
care.
In
a
less
restrictive
environment,
the
reason
we
commented
on
these
changes
is
because
suicide
watch
is
a
harsher
form
of
solitary
confinement
on
suicide
watch.
Inmates
are
stripped
of
their
clothing
and
underwear
and
dressed
in
a
smock
made
of
tear
resistant
material.
K
They
are
placed
in
a
suicide
resistant
cell
and
offered
no
items
of
comfort.
They
are
confined
to
this
bare
cell
for
24
hours
a
day
and
are
not
permitted.
The
one
to
two
hours
of
recreation
that
are
typical
of
regular,
restrictive
housing,
books
and
magazines
are
usually
not
permitted
and
meals
arrive
without
utensils,
forcing
suicidal
people
to
eat
food
with
their
hands.
K
K
While
it
is
true
that
placing
people
on
suicide
watch
does
make
it
harder
for
them
to
harm
themselves,
it
also
makes
it
impossible
almost
impossible
to
improve
their
underlying
psychiatric
problem.
The
harsh
conditions
of
suicide
watch
bear
little
resemblance
to
genuine
psychiatric
treatment.
In
many
cases,
they
make
mental
health.
Worse.
K
The
united
states
supreme
court
has
held
that
prisons
have
a
duty
to
provide
adequate
mental
health
care.
We
question
whether
adequate
mental
health
care
can
be
provided
in
a
setting
and
under
conditions
described
by
one
federal
judge,
as
incubators
of
psychosis
for
mentally
ill
suicidal
inmates
to
receive
constitutionally
adequate
mental
health
care.
The
dlc
should
accept
protection
and
advocacy
suggestions
and
provide
mentally
ill
inmates
who
are
suicidal
services
in
a
less
restrictive
setting.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Mr
frank,
we
did
not
have
you
actually
listed
to
speak,
but
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
permit.
Would
you
like
to
add
something
to
that?
Sir?
No,
not
at
this
time.
Thank
you,
though.
Okay,
I
I
just
yes.
F
I
would
make
a
suggestion
that
we
allow
the
cabinet
to
respond
and
then
come
back
and
do
questions
all
the
same
time.
But
if
any
that.
J
Thank
you,
I
think,
and
I
think
senator
west's
recommendation
is
absolutely
fitting,
but
just
so
we
have
a
context
in
it.
I
think
when
we
kept
saying
significant
mental
illness
and
tell
me
how
it
because
I
know
that
varies
and
dramatically,
can
you
tell
me
how
that
is
defined
and
what
would
consider
that
category
significantly
significantly
mentally
ill,
because
it
seriously.
K
J
K
Like
bipolar
schizophrenia,
severe
depression.
K
A
Yes,
sir,
mr
or
senator
yates,
I'm
sorry
we
I
think
we
may
have
another
question
or
two,
but
I
am
going
to
go
back
to
the
cabinet
and
allow
them
to
respond
if
they
would
like
to
to
the
testimony
that
was
just
given.
You
may
proceed.
Please
thank.
L
You
we
did
make
changes
in
response
to
the
comments.
The
doc
takes
mental
health
very
seriously.
L
L
L
The
those
two
policies
generally
address
short-term
issues
with
an
inmate
and
it's
a
long-term
thing.
They're
often
sent
to
another
facility
that
has
a
better
management
system
or
a
looser
structure.
Potentially,
the
department
did
shift
the
the
one
policy
to
a
less
restrictive
framework
in
response
to
what
pna
common.
A
Anything
else
ma'am
senator
yates,
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
you.
I
think
you
have
a
question.
Is
your
question
for
miss
barker?
Yes,
sir,
go
ahead.
Please.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
We've
obviously
had
significant
issue
in
my
home
in
louisville,
at
our
jails
locally
and
dealing
with
a
lot
of
mental
ill.
I
think
it's
the
lousy.
It
is
the
highest
facility,
housing
people
with
mental
ill,
and
one
thing
that
we've
learned
is:
you
have
to
be
quick
to
be
able
to
identify,
address
it
and
then
have
them
in
a
better
facility.
What
is
the
standard
that
you
have
set
once
you've
identified
that
someone
does
have
severe
mental
illness
that
ranks
above
the
three?
L
It
depends
on
the
specific
mate
and
it
depends
on
the
mental
health,
professional
and
the
recommendations
made
by
that
mental
health
professional.
In
many
instances,
the
the
inmate
may
not
need
to
be
transport
transferred.
Sometimes
they
are
sometimes
they're
not.
It
depends
on
the
specific
facts
of
a
specific
inmate
and
I
don't
really
have
specifics
if
we
need
to
get
really
detailed,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
our
our
mental
health
director
available
for
you,
because
my
my
knowledge
is
smaller
than
his
knowledge.
A
Senator
yates,
I
think,
has
a
follow-up
question.
Go
ahead,
sir.
J
And
fair
enough-
and
I
definitely
don't
want
to
catch
on
the
spot-
and
sometimes
I
I
was
just
checking
once
they've
been
identified.
I
think
that
there's
a
when
they
do
an
intake
or
they
do
an
assessment.
There's
a
skill
at
some
point,
there's
on
a
scale
that
you
will
be
determined
that
they're
not
fit
for
the
facility
and
they
need
mental
health
treatment.
They
should
be
transferred,
and
I
know
that
part
of
that
is
it's
setting
a
standard
of
care
in
which
people
could
be
held
accountable.
J
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
set
in
the
event
that
you've
reached
that
skill.
You've
made
a
determination
that
you
can't
safely
house
them.
How
many
hours
do
you
have
to
transfer?
That
may
not
be
a
question
that
you're
prepared
to
answer,
and
we
could
do
that
later,
but
I
did
want
to
put
that
out
there
that
that's
one
that
I've
seen
an
issue.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
in
this
committee
we
often
think
we
know
what's
going
on,
but
we
really
don't
until
we
dig
down
and
and
look
into
the
technical
meaning
of
the
regs
and
and
the
jargon
really
that's
that's
behind
their
eggs.
So
I
just
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
we
had
a
reg
and
that
you
worked
with
the
public
advocates
to
change
it
to
the
current
format
and
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
comment
on
what
was
there
before
and
what's
there
now.
F
So
it's
my
understanding
that
the
inmate
could
be
before
the
reg
said.
The
inmate
could
be
considered
high
risk
and
shall
be
housed
in
a
restrictive
housing
unit.
F
L
The
restrictions
are
less
in
a
special
management
unit.
I
don't
have
the
the
specifics
beyond
what
we
put
in
our
statement
of
consideration.
The
hours
in
a
cell
is
less
for
special
management
than
for
rhu
units.
L
L
The
main
policies
are
the
corrections,
policies
and
procedures
in
our
chapter
13.,
and
that's
where
most
of
our
information
about
mental
health
and
how
we
respond
to
it
in
in
this
situation.
It's
what's
in
these
policies
are
at
this
particular
institution
or
to
fulfill
policies
that
they
have
to
have
or
an
sca
standard.
L
L
A
Any
other
questions
for
miss
barker
and
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
just
for
a
short
response.
Mr
sharkey,
do
you
have
anything
else,
you'd
like
to
add,
sir
I'll
give
you
the
last
word.
K
Just
that
I
just
I
believe
that
it's
it's
hard
to
to
treat
a
person
or
to
provide
adequate
services
when
they're
locked
in
a
cell
for
24
hours
a
day
staring
at
a
gray
wall.
I
I
think
that
that
the
person
should
whoever's
on
suicide
watch
should
get
more
out
of
cell
time
for
activities
in
order
for
his
mental
health
not
to
to
to
get
worse.
K
A
A
My
suggestion
this
afternoon
would
be-
and
I
believe,
miss
barker
and
her
folks
would
certainly
be
accommodating
to
you
to
get
together,
see
what
we
can
see,
what
can
be
done
to
accommodate
the
individuals
there
and
and
make
it
a
safer
environment
for
them.
I
certainly
I
certainly
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward
to
us,
sir.
I
I
can
see
the
passion
in
your
and
you
hear
the
passion
in
your
voice
about
this
and
again.
A
A
H
502
kr
15010
amends
to
add
definitions
require
law
enforcement
officers
who
create
a
traffic
collision
report
to
utilize.
The
electronic
submission
application.
Add
procedures
for
a
news
gathering
organization
to
request
a
vehicle
collision
report,
update
material
incorporated
by
reference
and
make
minor
updates.
L
G
A
All
right,
thank
you
all
again
for
being
with
us
today.
There
is
an
agency
amendment
to
this.
The
regulation
is:
are
there
any
questions
or
any
discussion?
I'm
sorry
on
the
agency
amendment
senator
yates
on
the
amendment
sir.
J
On
the
amendment
go
right
ahead,
please
before
us
it
looks
like
the
amendment
before
us.
It
lays
out
a
new
section
and
part
of
it
just
saying
that
that
an
officer
shall
make
a
traffic
collision
report,
I'm
under
the
ecrash
system.
And
then,
if
it's
not
investigated
the
officer
involved,
you
should
admit
it
to
where
they
can
do
the
online
civilian
thing.
J
J
Although
I've
understand
it
as
practice,
it's
happened
several
times.
They
go,
make
a
stop
and
then
ask
the
victims
of
the
accident
or
those
involved
to
get
online
and
do
a
civilian
report.
Can
you
tell
me,
does
this
change
that
this
wording
that's
been
making
it
shallow?
Would
that
be
mandatory
that
the
officers
have
to
submit
that
in
the
event
they
investigate
a
traffic
collision.
L
The
language
is
designed
to
follow
the
statutory
language
on
this
and
there's
a
requirement
in
the
statute
for
filing
the
report.
So
that's
the
goal
in
the
language
of
this
to
mimic,
what's
required
by
statute.
J
A
F
F
Some
low-level
fender
benders,
so
it
I
think
it
reads
if,
if
they
do,
if
they
are
going
to
do
a
report,
they
just
need
to
make
sure
that's
done
electronically,
as
well
as
written
is.
That
is,
am
I
reading
this
correctly.
L
And
gentlemen,
I'm
gonna
ask
the
state
police
people
if
they
have
some
information.
While
I
take
a
quick
look
at
this,
that's
my
recollection
of
it.
G
F
J
Okay,
thank
you
so
that
that
absolutely
conflicts
with
the
last
answer
complete,
I
mean
it's
as
conflicting
as
you
can,
because
I'm
reading
it-
and
so
I
understand
that
they're
not
required
to
make
at
everything,
but
it
says,
and
it's
mimicking
the
the
krs
189
6353,
but
it's
saying
a
law
enforcement
officer
shall
make
a
traffic
collision
report
as
required
under
the
statute
using
the
crash
collision
system
in
kentucky
the
portal,
the
e-car
system.
So
in
the
event
that
an
officer
shows
up,
they
have
a
they
they're.
J
Obviously,
we
get
reimbursement
for
officers
for
everyone
that
they're
there
for
the
insurance
companies
there
there's
two
people
who've
been
involved
in
an
accident.
Is
there
a
requirement?
They
document
that
through
the
ecrash
system
or
is
it
appropriate?
The
officer
just
leaves
and
doesn't
make
any
documentation,
therefore
causing
some
issues
with
litigation
later
on.
My
understanding
in
other
states
is
that
if
officer
stops,
they
talk
to
witnesses,
they
have
got
to
document
that
and,
as
is
other
parts
of
your
job,
that
should
be
documented.
J
G
Sir,
my
interpretation
would
be
that
if
the
officer
stops
there,
documentation
could
be
relaying
that
information
to
back
to
the
post
or
or
officer
whoever,
whatever
agency
it
is
telling
them.
What
happens
thing
didn't
want
to
report.
G
That
could
be
an
example
that
sometimes
you
have
two
people
who
it's
small
enough
or
somebody
does
small
enough
damage
that
they
don't
even
want
to
report
at
all,
and
so
that'd
be
a
situation
where
they're
still
documenting
but
they're
not
actually
doing
a
a
specific
crash
report
that
they're
submitting
to
the
crash
system.
G
Okay,
if
I
might
chime
in
there
too,
on
the
the
krs
actually
mentions
500
in
damage,
so
sometimes,
if
it
is
a
very
minor
collision,
an
officer
might
show
up
and
realize
you
know
this
is
just
a
somebody
scraped
their
bumper.
It's
not
worth,
as
you
mentioned,
a
full-on
report,
so
they
may
not
do
it,
but
it
does
state
that
if
an
officer
does
show
up
they'll,
they
shall
investigate.
L
J
Thank
you,
and
so
my
follow-up,
it's
so
the
the
statue
requires
that,
in
the
event
that
it
there
is
like,
I
think
it's
reasonably
would
be
over.
The
damage
would
be
exceeded
500
so
but
my
understanding
from
all
our
other
statues
and
one
we
had
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
litigation
in
louisville
over
failure
to
document.
J
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
misleading
the
public
or
anybody
watching
that
in
the
event,
the
officer
stops
on
the
scene
of
a
collision
they've
got
to
have
some
documentation
there
I
mean,
I
think
that
officer
atterbury
explained
that
very
attiburn.
I'm
sorry.
If
I
mispronounced
your
last
name,
just
explain
that
very
well,
so
there
is
some
way,
because
what
happens
sometimes
is
that
it
may
not
look
like
there's
a
lot
of
damage,
but
let's
say
the
sensors
are
messed
up.
J
There's
it
winds
up
being
a
few
thousand
dollars
or
someone's
injured.
Well,
if
later
on,
they
can
say,
I
don't
know
what
you're
talking
about.
I
don't
have
a
problem
and
if
the
officer
didn't
call
that
back,
they
didn't
do
some
kind
of
documentation,
then
they're
left
without
recourse
and
our
we
have
done
is
we've
contracted
through
insurance
companies
to
get
reimbursement
based
on
collisions
into
it,
and
we
owe
that
to
our
individuals.
So
I
know
that
we
do
require
that.
Unfortunately,
I'm
seeing
it
happen
since
covert
more
and
more,
where
there's
not
documentation.
A
Okay,
we
are
dealing
with
the
agency
amendment.
There
has
been
a
motion
for
approval
of
the
agency
amendment.
Is
there
a
second?
There
is
a
second
without
objection.
It
is
so
ordered.
Now
we
are
dealing
with
the
regulation
as
an
as
the
amendment.
A
C
A
A
F
My
question
regards
702
kr
1,
192
e.
G
It
is
senator
yes,
it
there's
also
a
companion
ordinary
administrative
regulation.
That's
going
through
the
process.
G
F
Do
you
have
an
opinion
upon
upon
the
effectiveness
of
this
reg?
Have
you
all
taken
into
account
sb
25,
as
it
applies
to
this
reg.
G
A
A
That
this
reg,
specifically
the
reg
702
kar
01
192,
as
filed
with
an
emergency,
it
appears
to
be
a
deficient
appears
to
us
to
be
deficient.
This
wreck
does-
and
so
I
am
going
to
make
the
motion
that
we
find
this
regulation,
this
specific
regulation
deficient
today.
There
is
a
motion
for
the
regulation.
Is
there
a
second?
A
F
We
passed
this
session
senate
bill
25
and
basically
on
that
list
of
of
regs,
the
ones
that
were
on
the
list
were
allowed
to
flow
forward,
the
ones
that
were
not
on
the
list
were
null
and
void
basically
and
senate
bill
25
went
into
effect
january
14th
of
this
year,
and
so
at
that
time
it's
this.
It's
my
opinion
that
this
regulation
become
became
null
and
void.
F
Rig
that
was
filed
by
the
cabinet-
and
I
believe
that
is
per
the
cabinet's
representative-
it
is
on
track
to
go
into
effect
in
may,
but
as
as
it
pertains
specifically,
this
is
really
technical.
I
mean
this
is,
but
it
is
technical
yeah.
Hopefully
that
answers
your
question.
J
J
J
In
our
interpretation,
our
humble
interpretation
of
the
law,
the
way
it
is
potentially
being
null
and
void
in
the
event
that
we
really,
if
we'd,
really
deficient,
we
understand
the
outcome
would
be
really
getting
rid
of
paid
leave
in
the
event
during
the
quarantine
area.
Is
that
correct?
And
so
it
seemed
like
this
body?
Humble
body
would
want
to
do
everything
we
can
to
avoid
that
action.
D
A
A
A
A
A
The
question
on
the
motion
to
find
this
regulation
deficient
is
that
those
in
favor
to
find
the
regulation
deficient
will
vote.
I
and
those
opposed,
will
vote.
No.
It
will
take
five
votes
in
favor
of
the
motion
for
the
regulation
to
be
rule
deficient,
the
we
will
have
a
roll
call
vote
at
this
time.
J
Explain
my
no
vote,
please.
Yes,
sir,
while
I
see
the
direct
conflict
with
senate
bill
25
and
reference
that
my
hope
was
to
defer
that
out
to
try
to
get
either
this
body
to
be
able
to
make
an
adjustment
under
the
language
of
it
or
to
get
the
administration
to
be
able
to
act,
and
for
that
very
reason
I
won't
know.
B
A
G
I
vote
in
favor
of
the
motion,
but
I
feel
like
we,
we
have
law
in
place
and
we
can't
we're
not
allowed
to
go
against
that
and
my
question
to
education
is:
why
were
you
not
in
here
in
january
when
that
law
went
into
effect?
Why
wasn't
this
caught
and
and
we're
waiting
to
the
last
minute,
but
I
don't
feel
like
we've
got
the
authority
to
to
change
the
position
we're
in
so
I
mean
yes,
thank
you.
G
F
Like
to
explain
my
vote,
go
ahead,
sir.
I
vote
aye.
This
is
one
of
those
I
think,
weird
code
situations
and
technically,
in
my
opinion,
this
regulation,
as
of
january
15th,
no
longer
existed.
F
G
A
Not
to
be
rep
repeatedly
repetitive
of
what
has
been
said,
but
my
vote
will
be
an
eye
based
findings
of
senate
bill
25.
So
I
vote.
I
would
you
please
give
us
the
total.
B
A
B
C
G
Afternoon,
robin
maples
bosch
standard
specialist,
with
department
of
workplace
standards
good
afternoon,
chairman
hale
and
co-chairman
west
members
of
the
subcommittee
and
subcommittee
staff.
My
name
is
chuck
stribling.
I
am
the
occupational
safety
and
health
federal
state
coordinator
for
the
department
of
workplace
standards.
A
F
Thank
you
guys
for
presenting.
Could
you
fill
us
in
on
what
the
the
first
reg
the
cfr
that
it
pertains
to?
What
is
what
does
that
do.
G
So
both
of
these
regulations,
senator
west,
simply
incorporate
the
federal
requirements
verbatim.
We
don't
do
anything
different.
It
just
strictly
adopts
the
federal.
You
might
recall.
We
were
in
front
of
you
last
month
with
the
emergencies
on
these,
and
it
all
stems
back
to
the
fact
that
I
failed
to
get
a
certification
letter
submitted
in
a
timely
fashion.
So
we
had
to
do
them
as
an
emergency
to
keep
our
federal
coverage,
and
these
ordinaries
just
take
the
place
of
the
emergencies.
F
So
the
second
one
it
says
you
know
pertains
to
stairways
and
ladders.
Could
you
tell
what
is
the
first
one?
What's
the
general
generally,
what
does
it
apply
to.
G
Do
you
want
me
to
take
this
check
sure
sure
it
adopts
subpart
g
of
1910
in
general
industry,
which
applies
to
ventilation,
occupational
noise
exposure,
non-ionized
non-ionizing
radiation.
A
B
H
A
Who
was
the
first?
Who
was
the
first
individual
that
identified
themselves?
We
didn't
get
that
name.
G
Edith
I'm
going
to.
Let
can
you
answer
some
of
those
questions
I
sure
can.
I
was
waiting
to
see
if
you
were
going
to
because
you're
a
better
writer
than
I
am
yes,
it
is
less
expensive.
I
think
the
last
one
that
we
got
the
figures
on
was
15
million
dollars
and
we
can
actually
do
it
on
a
state-based
exchange
at
two
million
dollars.
G
It
changes
they,
they
fluctuate
the
percentage,
but
the
last
one
that
we
got
figures
on
was
almost
15
million
dollars.
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
B
C
907-3170
is
being
amended
to
establish
a
recipient
right
to
receive
care
in
person
or
via
telehealth,
establish
the
general
rule
that
telehealth
services
are
reimbursable
if
they
are
appropriate
and
safe
and
not
prohibited
by
the
provider's
licensing
board.
Allow
an
initial
visit
to
be
conducted
by
telehealth
establish
telephonic
service
requirements,
specify
instances
where
telehealth
is
prohibited.
Address
telehealth,
provided
by
out-of-state
providers,
include
remote
patient
monitoring
and
allow
the
department
to
post
an
informational
listing
of
service
codes
that
are
not
allowed
or
subject
to
additional
restrictions.
C
G
A
We've
missed
you
for
a
couple
of
months.
You
are,
you
are
regular
at
our
meetings.
Welcome
back
today.
There.
A
A
There
appears
to
be
no
discussion.
Is
there
a
motion?
There
is
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second?
There
is
a
second
or
that
objection,
it
is
so
ordered.
Do
we
have
any
questions
on
the
regulation,
as
amended
by
the
agency
amendment
senator
alvarado,
no
questions.
This
is
your
baby,
no
questions.
F
No
I've
reviewed
these.
Mr
chairman,
no
it
looks
okay
to
me
all.
A
B
B
A
A
B
A
B
That
concludes
our
agenda
for
today,
except
for
other
business
that
we
have,
which
is
under
cabinet
for
health
and
family
services,
office
of
inspector
general
900,
kar,
14010
emergency.
This
has
an
agency
amendment.
D
A
There
is
an
agency
amendment
that
has
been
asked
to
to
be
put
on
this
rig
correct.
Am
I
correct
on
that?
Okay,
yes,
would
you
explain
this
please
this
emergency
regulation
to
us
today.
D
Sure
this
is
to
comply
with
senate
bill
100
in
reference
to
essential
caregivers
and
upon
further
consultation
with
the
general
members
of
the
general
assembly.
Thus,
the
agency
amendment
to
better
reflect
the
statute
with
senate
bill
100.
A
Are
there
any
questions
after
the
explanation
of
the
agency
amendment
senator
west.
F
D
Certainly
senator
west,
so
it
will
delete
the
essential
that
the
ability
for
the
facility
to
restrict
visitation
for
essential
caregivers
during
an
outbreak
or
communicable
disease
issue,
and
then
the
other
section
is
around
not
requiring
specific
training
to
happen
for
essential
caregivers.
It
would
be
a
reflection
of
the
facilities
policy
as
to
what
they
were
trained
on.
A
There
is
a
motion
on
the
amendment.
Is
there
a
second
please?
There
is
a
second
to
this
amendment
without
objection,
it
is
so
ordered.
Thank
you
both
for
being
with
us
today.
This
does
conclude
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting.
The
compiler
will
announce
to
us
at
this
time.
The
next
regulation
meeting.
B
A
Okay,
everyone
please
take
note
of
that.
That
will
actually
be
during
the
veto
period
before
the
last
two
sunday
night,
the
last
two
days
we
will
be
here.
It
has
to
be
done
on
that
it
has
to
be
done
sometime
during
that
period
before
the
15th
of
april.
So
there
was
really
no
great
day
to
pick
so
we
we
tried
to
find
the
best
day
we
could
so
that
will
be
on
monday,
the
date
again
on
that
is
the
eleventh
at
one
monday
april,
the
11th
at
one
o'clock
for
the
next
meeting.