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B
B
Here,
I'm
going
to
ask
for
approval
of
the
minutes,
can
I
have
a
motion
so
moved
and
seconded
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
all
opposed,
nay,
the
minutes
of
July
14
2022
have
been
approved.
Everyone
has
the
revised
agenda
before
them.
I
want
to
note
that
the
testimony
on
the
unemployment
insurance
contracts
has
been
deferred
to
a
September
meeting
our
next
meeting
so
we'll
be
taking
that
up.
B
Then
also
last
meeting
members
had
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
questions
about
our
presentation
and
you
received
some
follow-up
information
in
your
email
and
it's
also
at
the
back
of
your
packets.
B
C
I'm
John
R,
the
executive
director
for
the
office
of
Fleet
Management
I,
have
with
me
today
Pete
McDonald,
my
director
of
opson
administration
division
at
Fleet
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
to
provide
the
committee
an
update
on
our
efforts
to
implement
improvements
at
the
office
of
Fleet
Management.
The
findings
in
both
the
committee's
report
on
state-owned
vehicles
and
the
cabinet's
office
of
policy
and
audits
Report
with
the
guidelines
for
most
of
the
process.
C
Improvements
I'll
cover
today
and
I'd
like
to
thank
both
the
committee
and
the
office
of
policy
and
audit
for
their
work
next
slide.
Please
I'll
begin
today
by
providing
an
overview
of
the
activities
and
new
organizational
structure
of
the
office,
the
office
of
Fleet
Management
is
responsible
for
providing
safe,
reasonably
priced,
necessary
and
Central
Transportation
for
the
state's
agencies
and
entities
we're
explicitly
charged
with
the
responsibility
of
procuring,
maintaining
repairing
Vehicles,
as
well
as
reserving
signing
and
distributing
vehicles
and
Reporting
Fleet
mileage
next
slide.
Please.
C
The
office
directly
manages
most
of
the
state's
passenger
vehicles,
those
Vehicles
traveled
over
41
million
miles
over
the
last
fiscal
year
and
used
2.6
million
gallons
of
gas
or
fuel.
Excuse
me
much
of
the
maintenance
for
these
vehicles
is
outsourced,
but
our
own
technicians
serviced
over
2
000
vehicles
in
2022
and
our
administrative
staff
processed
over
10
000
invoices,
motor
pool
staff,
manage
managed
reservations
for
over
3
700,
rentals
and
personally
handed
out
keys
and
collected
keys
from
each
customer.
C
C
Motor
pool
staff
managed
reservations
for
over
37
000,
rentals
and
personally
handed
out
the
keys
and
collected
the
keys
from
each
customer.
Our
help
desk
filled
in
more
than
32
000
phone
calls
from
customers
and
vendors,
providing
professional
assistance,
approving
transactions
for
parts
and
services
and
dispatching
tow
trucks
as
needed.
C
Fleet
employees
have
accomplished
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
over
this
past
year
and
they
do
every
year.
What
is
the
two
audit
reports
point
out?
Fleet
needs
to
do
more.
We
need
to
do
more
to
fully
meet
our
responsibilities
and
the
slides
that
follow
I'll
share
some
of
the
progress
we've
made
over
the
last
year
to
implement
these
needed
improvements.
C
Thanks
to
our
primary
sponsors,
Senator
Neen
Senate
Bill
158
approved
a
new
organizational
structure
for
Fleet
Management.
Elevating
it
from
a
division
to
an
office
with
two
new
divisions,
these
changes
better
position,
Fleet
Management,
to
meet
its
responsibilities
of
providing
services
and
support
to
cabinets
and
agencies
across
the
Commonwealth
and
better
assign
responsibilities
for
distinct
but
mutually
supporting
functions
between
the
two
divisions.
Next
slide,
please,
the
office
of
policy
and
audits
report
noted
Personnel
issues
as
a
possible
contributing
factor
for
the
documented
deficiencies.
C
Fleet
is
currently
accomplishing
all
the
great
work
that
I
highlighted
earlier
with
about
half
about
half
of
the
number
of
employees
it
had
prior
to
the
transfer
to
the
finance
cabinet
and
her
testimony
to
committee
last
year,
secretary
Johnson
noted
the
Personnel
issue
and,
provided
example
of
measures
being
taken
to
begin
addressing
it,
such
as
appointing
new
leadership
secretary,
also
has
encouraged
the
creation
of
a
new
position
at
Fleet,
whose
primary
area
responsibility
will
be
policy
and
compliance.
That
employee
has
been
hired
and
set
to
start
on
August
16th,
and
she
will
immediately
begin
working.
C
Many
of
the
policy
and
guidance
issues
identified
in
the
two
reports.
Well
not
specifically
noted
in
the
audit
reports
difficulty
attract
attracting
and
retaining
experienced
automotive
technicians,
especially
at
the
higher
certification
levels.
It's
also
a
great
concern
to
help
address
this
issue
and
facilitate
employee
development.
We've
established
a
program
to
help
cover
the
cost
of
Certification
testing
for
our
technicians
and
we
are
fully
committed
to
providing
training
and
opportunity
for
them
to
successfully
advance
to
the
higher
certification
levels.
Next
slide,
please.
C
Last
summer,
Fleet
partnered
with
the
cabinet's
budget
analyst
to
ensure
the
required
analysis
was
complete,
completed
to
determine
rates
for
the
next
biennium
biennium
over
the
three-month
period.
The
team
worked
diligently
to
fully
account
for,
and
can
correctly
attribute,
expenses
to
arrive
at
the
correct
pricing
model
later
this
month,
we'll
begin
our
initial
review
of
the
outcome
of
those
rate,
determination,
determination,
efforts
by
analyzing
initial
revenues
and
expenses
for
the
current
fiscal
year.
C
Last
year's
alternative
fuel
report
again
confirmed
fleet's
compliance
with
the
statutes
50
threshold
for
alternative
fuel
vehicles,
and
the
report
also
included
a
life
cycle,
cost
comparison
between
traditional
and
alternative
field
vehicles
and
provided
a
six-year
strategic
plan
to
meet
the
statute's
mandate
to
decrease
the
state's
Reliance
on
petroleum-based
Transportation
fuels
where
possible
next
slide.
Please
and
next
slide.
Please.
C
2022.,
unfortunately,
manufacturer
production
shortages
resulted
in
many
of
those
orders
going
unfulfilled
and
in
the
end
we
received
the
four
Ford
Escapes
and
eight
Toyota
Camrys
that
are
shown
here
and
those
were
the
only
ones
received
in
FY
22
next
slide,
please,
nevertheless,
to
support
this
move
towards
ev's
fleet
has
installed
two
level
two
charges
at
the
T1
garage,
these
Chargers
service,
the
four
plug-in
hybrids
added
to
the
fleet
this
past
year.
Additionally,
we
are
currently
working
with
the
vendor
to
install
20
additional
level
2
chargers
at
Tulu,
separate
State
offices.
C
Here,
excuse
me:
State
offices
here
in
Frankfurt
attended
our
own
motor
pool,
location
and
10
up
at
CHR,
while
this
investment
allows
us
to
begin
the
EV
transition
and
gather
important
performance
data
for
these
vehicles,
Fleet
will
need
additional
funding
to
support
the
installation
of
more
EV
chargers
at
state
buildings
across
the
Commonwealth
in
order
to
fully
commit
to
EV
deployment
next
slide.
Please
and
next
slide.
I'm
sorry
Fleet
for
years
has
operated
with
any
software
solution,
specifically
designed
to
manage
passenger
fleets.
As
a
result,
even
basic
reporting
and
Analysis
tools
have
been
largely
non-existent.
C
This
new
software
will
also
allow
us
to
transition
to
an
automated
motor
pool,
reservation
and
Rental
system,
allowing
customers
to
independently
make
their
reservations
online
or
via
app
and
pick
up
or
drop
off
their
motor
vehicles
anytime
day
or
night
any
day
of
the
week.
This
also
provides
the
potential
for
future
expansion
of
improved
vehicle
sharing
across
co-located
agencies,
which
could
result
in
improved
utilization
numbers
and
reduce
vehicle
inventories.
C
Flea
has
also
begun
to
address
the
problem
of
vehicle
utilization
cited
in
the
audits.
Thank
you.
We've
taken
a
hard
look
at
our
motor
pool
inventory,
which
was
at
275
vehicles
on
June,
30th
2021,
and
that
motor
pool
is
traditionally
kept
at
about
that
number
275.
by
June,
30th
2022
we'd
reduce
that
number
to
Just
225
an
approximate
18
reduction.
C
Next
slide
leaders
also
work
closely
with
the
cabinet's
finance
and
budget
analyst.
Specialists.
Excuse
me
to
improve
our
tracking
of
expenses
in
e-mars
and
better
attribute
each
expense
to
the
proper
class
of
vehicles.
This
will
allow
us
to
more
reliably
analyze
data
and
information
to
make
future
decisions,
especially
decisions
associated
with
rate
determinations.
C
C
Inflation
and
fuel
prices,
however,
are
an
additional
primary
concern
to
the
fleet.
As
we
set
prices
last
year
for
the
new
biennium.
We
made
assumptions
as
we
had
to
about
our
future
expenses.
Unfortunately,
we
underestimated
these
factors
and
those
misassumptions
could
impact
our
ability
to
purchase
new
vehicles
over
the
next
couple
of
years
and
Beyond.
Normal
inflation,
vehicle
manufacturing
constraints
will
likely
negate
the
manufacturer
incentives
normally
associated
with
traditional
Fleet
pricing
and
dramatically
increase
our
average
vehicle
cost
daily.
Reps
are
already
telling
us
most
of
fleet's.
C
C
We
made
a
concert
assertive
effort
last
year,
for
instance,
to
get
our
orders
in
as
early
as
we
reasonably
could
and
still
more
than
the
Third
of
the
orders
went
unfulfilled
today.
Thank
you.
Fleet
has
highlighted
some
of
the
efforts
we've
taken
to
address
the
findings
and
recommendations
we
received
in
the
two
reports.
C
Many
still
require
significant
work
on
our
part,
but
we
are
absolutely
committed
to
addressing
each
one
to
the
best
of
our
abilities,
I'll
close
by
highlighting
Fleet
Management's
continued
commitment
to
meeting
the
state's
Transportation
needs
by
establishing
a
culture
of
continuous
Improvement,
committing
to
pursuing
accurate
and
reliable
data
and
processes
and
fully
conforming
to
the
policy
regulations
and
statutes
that
govern
our
activities.
Again.
B
All
right
we're
going
to
go
to
questions
just
a
moment.
I
do
want
to
note
that
shortly
after
roll
call,
Senator,
McGarvey
and
Senator
Thomas
did
come
and
they
are
present
representative
Sharp.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
I've
got
several
questions.
I'm
looking
at
the
report
here
and
the
page
is
number
four.
It
talks
about.
The
alternative
fuel
vehicles
by
January
2014.
Is
that
a
typo?
No.
C
Sir,
so
that
set
the
the
Baseline
for
the
number
of
vehicles
we
needed
to
have
converted
to
alternative
fuels
and
I'll
be
honest.
It's
been
quite
a
few
years
that
we
have
met
that
threshold.
50
of
our
fleet
has
been
alternative
fuels
for
some
time,
but
we
haven't
done
all
of
the
reporting
requirements
required
in
the
past.
That's
something
we
had
to
fix
all.
C
Varies
and
we
did
do
a
in
the
in
the
alternative,
Fields
report
we
did
this
year.
We
did
a
cost
comparison,
but
in
general
terms,
depending
on
the
vehicle,
there's
an
average
or
anticipated
number
of
years
to
break
even
and
invariably
the
EV
version,
whether
it's
a
hybrid,
a
plug-in,
hybrid
or
a
fully
electric
or
beb
battery
electric
vehicle.
The
price
increases
with
each
of
those
steps.
C
I
just
mentioned,
there's
an
additional
cost
for
that
vehicle,
and
so
it
takes
a
time
a
period
of
time
and
there
are
variables
that
affect
whether
how
quickly
we
recoup
those
cost
increase
gas
prices,
shorten
that
timeline
reduce
gas
prices,
obviously
an
infinite
timeline.
So
the
vehicles
that
we're
purchasing
my
recollection
off
top
my
head
and
I
can
get
you
a
copy
of
the
report
that
in
actual
data
for
that
vehicle,
if
you'd,
like
those
vehicles
that
we
received
this
year,
was
on
the
neighborhood
of
seven
or
eight
years
to
break
even
to.
A
C
Sir,
so
there's
a
department
of
energy
I
believe
I'm,
getting
that
correct
site
that
you
can
go
in
and
you
can
look
at
those
similar
Vehicles.
The
gas
version
versus
the
EV
version,
depending
on
which
variety
of
EVS
as
I
just
mentioned,
and
it
includes
in
those
calculations,
anticipated
maintenance
costs.
A
Okay,
has
your
experience
with
the
EV
vehicles
that
we
have
in
Fleet
now,
as
as
compared
to
what
was
on
the
website?
Is
that
are
they
on
par
or
is
there
a
difference.
C
The
website
I
mentioned
sir
yeah,
so
I
can,
in
most
cases
I
can
put
in
I,
can
type
in
the
the
vehicle
that
we're
interested
in
buying
or
that
we're
interested
in
comparing
and
they
have
the
data
in
there
already.
In
other
cases,
it'll.
Let
you
build
based
on
the
manufacturer's
numbers,
a
vehicle
of
that
type,
and
then
you
can
compare
it
to
the
gas
version
to
get
the
difference.
Anticipated
maintenance
cost
the
difference
in
savings
and
fuels
all.
A
C
The
numbers
you're
saying
yeah,
so
we
just
purchased
the
vehicles
that
the
modern
vehicles,
the
the
the
four
plug-in
hybrid
Escapes
in
the
eight
Camrys,
show
straight
hybrids
in
the
plug-in
we
just
bought
those
recently
so
we're
Gathering
data.
Now,
okay,
I
anticipate
just
says
in
fuel
mileage.
You
know
the
estimated
fuel
mileage
that
you
get
on
a
gas
vehicle.
There
are
going
to
be
variances,
but
they
should
be
directionally
correct.
C
They
should
give
us
the
data
that
we're
receiving
from
the
manufacturers
should
give
us
fairly
accurate
predictions
of
what
we'll
experience.
What.
C
So
again
depends
on
each
Echelon
that
you
go
up
so
in
general
terms,
so
it's
going
to
vary
from
vehicle
to
vehicle
and
but
to
go
from
a
gas
to
a
pure,
hybrid,
two
to
three
thousand
dollars
more
to
go.
The
next
step
to
a
plug-in
hybrid,
probably
add
about
another
two
or
three
hundred
a
thousand
dollars,
and
then
the
bevs
or
the
full
electric.
So
no
gas
engine
at
all
are
the
most
expensive.
They
also
obviously
you're
the
the
the
most
fuel
efficient,
in
this
case
fuel
being
electricity.
C
We
have
not
bought
any
full
electric.
We
made
a
conscious
decision
to
hold
off
on
that
for
now,
because
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
one
is
the
range
anxiety
that
goes
with
electric
vehicles,
so
the
hybrid
and
the
plug-in
hybrid
both
still
have
gas
engines,
so
you
eliminate
that
they
always
have
the
ability
to
run
on
gas
if
you
run
out
of
electricity,
but
until
recently,
in
the
last
couple
years
most
electric
vehicles
still
have
pretty
short
range.
C
Comparatively
speaking,
it's
less
and
less
true
three
to
400
mile
range
on
an
electric
vehicle
is
not
uncommon
now,
and
that
puts
you
in
the
same.
In
some
cases,
more
range
than
you'd
have
on
a
gas
vehicle.
The
difference
is
if
you
can
get
to
a
DC
using
a
DC,
fast
charger,
because
there's
different
levels
of
chargers
as
well
it'll
take
about
30
minutes
to
put
that
electric
vehicle
back
on
the
road.
C
If
you
deplete
its
fuel
source
electricity
as
the
gas
vehicles,
we're
all
familiar
with
a
couple
minutes
at
the
pump
and
you're
on
back
on
the
road
so
for
what
most
of
our
vehicles
are
used
for,
daytime
use
and
plug
them
in
at
night,
electric
vehicles
now
I
think
make
a
lot
of
sense.
You
plug
them
in
overnight
the
next
day,
they're
ready
to
go
and
you've
got
probably
at
least
300
mile
range
on
them.
That
range
also,
you
talked
about
the
difference
in
the
anticipated
numbers.
C
E
C
You
don't
have
AC
or
heat
on
it'll,
say
200
miles
range,
but
as
soon
as
you
hit
the
AC
or
the
heat
button,
that
range
drops.
So
those
those
electrical
draws
obviously
reduce
your
range
and
it's
it's
not
I,
don't
want
to
make
it
sound,
almost
dramatic,
but
it'll
drop.
It
probably
10
to
15
miles
so
range
on
a
full
electric
vehicles.
First
of
all,
in
the
hybrids
and
plug-in
hybrids,
not
an
issue
on
full
electric
they're
quickly
becoming
a
non-issue.
A
One
of
the
other
concerns
I
have
is
some
things
we're
seeing
in
southeast
in
the
southeast
part
of
the
state.
Right
now
we
had
the
ice
storms
last
year
up
in
the
100th
district
and
the
tornadoes
we
had
out
in
Western
Kentucky,
where
we
lose
power
for
long
periods
of
time.
So
we've
got
State
Vehicles
out
there
functioning
on
this.
That.
A
C
C
B
Problem
so
before
I
go
to
the
next
question
here
we
mentioned
you
mentioned
that
the
Breakeven
point
is
approximately
seven
eight
years
on.
C
C
They
were
not
in
that
decision
not
based
made
based
on
economics
that
was
to
begin
testing
electric
trucks
for
future
employment,
greater
employment
in
the
fleet,
so
their
Break
Even
is
beyond
probably
their
useful
life
to
us.
They're,
expensive.
B
A
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
got
a
few
questions.
Yes,
sir
gentlemen,
with
the
cost
of
fuel,
increase,
I'm
sure
you
all
tracked
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
do
it
per
penny
per
nickel
per
dime.
But
what
is
the
increase
when
we
see
an
increase
of
gas?
What
does
it
cost
to
the
State
per
month
due
to
our
fuel
usage?
Do
we
know
that
number.
C
I'll
I
can
get
that
number
for
you,
so
I
can
do
a
comparison
using
last
year's
fuel
prices
for
the
last
month,
for
instance,
or
whatever
period
you'd
like
sir,
and
compare
that
using
today's
gas
prices
and
tell
you
what
that
cost
us,
yes,
fuel
is
costing
us
more
and
for
a
while
dramatically
more.
It
still
costs
us
much
more
than
it
was
this
time
last
year
and
that
impacts
in
all
those
cases
where
our
expenses
increase.
C
If
we
I
mentioned
in
the
briefing
that
we
underestimated
some
of
those
factors
when
we
came
up
with
our
new
prices,
what
that
really
impacts
is
the
number
of
vehicles
I
will
be
able
to
purchase
to
refresh
the
fleet.
So
we
want
our
estimates
to
be
accurate.
We
want
fuel
prices
to
remain
low,
but
we
rebelt
the
hand
that
we're
dealt
and
we.
D
A
Know
it
can
range
in
several
thousand
dollars,
because
in
my
time
with
KSP,
we
tracked,
we
knew
how
much
every
penny
fuel
went
up.
It
was
several
thousand
dollars
a
month.
It
cost
our
budget
that
we
had
to
take
a
hit
on.
Yes,.
C
A
So
I'm
just
curious
is
the
overall
Fleet
that
has
to
be
astronomical,
with
the
fuel
prices
being
what
they
were
are
today
that
the
state
is
out
than
what
it
was
say
24
months
ago,
and
yes,
sir
next
question
is
with
you
all
being
the
Fleet
Management.
Do
you
all
have
a
tracking
system
requiring
any
type
of
like
monthly
Automotive
for
a
person
that
has
a
vehicle
or
or
there's
a
signed
out
where
they
buy
fuel?
C
Not
exactly
sir,
so
we
use
first
of
all
is
the
fuel
question.
We
use
wex
fuel
cards,
so
those
bills
come
to
us
automatically.
They
simply
put
in
their
pen
and
swipe
the
card
and
put
fuel
in
the
vehicle,
and
it's
that
card
can
be
used
at
our
central
location,
where
we
have
pumps
there
by
our
motor
pool
or
at
any
station
around
the
state
that
accepts
wax
and
they're
widely
accepted.
A
C
And
we
provide
an
app
if
they're,
looking
for
fuel,
what
stations
nearby
provide,
wex
or
we'll
accept
wex
cards
for
the
the
mileage.
C
There
are
a
few
agencies
that
don't
have
GPS
or
geotab
units
on
their
vehicles,
and
so
we
do
not
get
automatically
or
not
able
to
collect
their
mileage
for
the
month.
So,
yes,
those
agencies
have
to
do
a
beginning
of
the
month
end
of
month,
it's
actually
in
the
month
each
time
they
use
the
previous
month
for
the
beginning
and
then
provide
us
that
that
mileage
for
the
month
we
have
an
individual
go
through
those
and
make
sure
they
make
sense.
C
So
they
do
a
a
QC
on
it
and
most
of
the
time
they
catch
obviously
wrong
data,
but
we'd
much
prefer
to
see
everybody
on
GPS.
Obviously,
it's
a
much
more
reliable
system,
I'll
caveat
that
with
it.
We
originally
had
some
GPS
units
before
I
got
there
when
we
first
deployed
GPS
units
that
were
not
very
reliable,
we've
since
corrected
that
yes
units
can
still
go
bad,
there
still
can
be
anomalies,
but
they're
rare
Now.
By
far
the
the
GPS
reporting
of
mileage
is
our
our
most
accurate,
our
most
reliable
system.
That's.
C
But
also
yeah
and
and
what
Pete
was
reminding
me
is
that
that's
what
we
base
our
building
on,
we
get
that
every
month.
That's
how
we
build.
D
B
C
We
we
struggled
with
that
when
we
went
through
the
pricing
buying,
biennium
or
biennial
pricing
exercise,
and
we
looked
at
different
refresh
points.
So,
as
you
know,
the
KRS,
the
statute
recommends
considering
vehicles
for
replacement
at
seven
years,
140
000
miles
those
two
are
somewhat
incongruent.
C
In
most
cases,
most
Vehicles
some
do
more,
but
most
Vehicles
won't
have
140
000
miles
on
them
in
seven
years,
so
we
use
primarily
mileage
as
our
gauge
when
it's
time
and
because
of
issues
with
available
funds
to
buy
to
buy
vehicles
and
there's
more
to
it
than
that
I'm
oversimplifying
and
not
going
to
details.
But
but
we
were
not
very
good
at
refreshing,
Vehicles
anywhere
near
the
seven
years,
140
000
and
in
fact,
last
year
we
got
to
when
we
did
our
purchase
last
year.
C
Of
that
283
Vehicles
we
targeted
Replacements
down
to
as
low
as
169
something
that's
as
far
as
we
could
go
with
the
money
we
had
available.
So
what
we'd
like
to
get
to
is
to
shoot
for
about
10
years.
C
That
would
probably
put
as
close
to
that
hundred
and
forty
thousand
hundred
fifty
thousand
mile
mileage
and
age
and
mileage
are
are
two
primary
metrics
for
when
we
target
Vehicles
first
mileage,
it's
a
better
indicator
of
mean
time
between
fellows
expected
meantime,
failures
or
maintenance
requirements
and
part
of
the
trade
of
the
ghost.
Thank.
D
Yeah
just
a
couple
of
questions
from
Mr
chairman.
First
of
all,
thanks
for
all
your
hard
work,
putting
all
this
together
and
your
time
coming
here
and
talking
through
with
this
with
us
today,
you
had
mentioned
earlier
that
you
missed
some
of
your
inflation
and
fuel
projections.
I
would
think
if
your
projection
modeling
was
that
good
you'd
be
the
Envy
of
a
lot
of
people
and
be
writing
a
book
somewhere
from
a
net
effect
standpoint.
C
The
yes
or
no
so
the
six
year
plan
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
was
primarily
focused
on
those
alternative
fuel
vehicles
which
we
have
in
the
past
relied
focused
on
E85
Vehicles,.
D
C
Are
still
buying
the
85
vehicles
but
we're
shifting
we're
trying
to
mix
in
a
significant
number
of
EVS.
So
yes,
if
the,
if
we
don't
have
enough
money
to
buy
the
vehicles
that
we
need.
Yes,
it's
going
to
impact
a
number
of
vehicles
we
buy
and
probably
probably
proportionally,
and
rather
than
disproportionately
the
number
of
EVS
that
we
invest
in.
D
D
To
do
some
testing
with
the
lightning
is
is
what
I
understood
you
to
say
what
is
if,
if
you're
far
enough
into
this
Rabbit
Hole
to
know,
what's
the
cost
differential
on
maintenance
from
the
heavy
and
light
duty
trucks,
as
opposed
to
the
EV
I
know
there
that
there's
less
maintenance
involved
with
with
the
passenger
vehicles,
but
the
the
maintenance
cost
on
the
heavy
duty
trucks
is
a
lot
greater
than
a
regular
passenger
vehicle,
and
is
that
something
where
we
can
expect
to.
C
Yes,
we
do
expect
savings
and
again
I
should
clarify.
We
have
not
actually
received
delivery
of
any
of
those
Lightnings,
yet
they
have
been
ordered.
They
are
promised
so
they're
coming,
but.
C
Yes,
on
I
talked
about
savings
and
maintenance
for
EVS
in
general,
that's
hevs,
phevs
or
bebs,
which
are
the
light
and
secure
electric
first
I
should
clarify
that
they
are
half
ton
pickups,
so
they
are
comparable
to
the
F-150
or
the
Chevy
1500.
C
they
because
they
are
pure
EVS
or
vevs.
There's
no
gas
engine,
there's
not
the
Heat
and
the
friction
and
all
the
things
that
go
with
maintenance
on
a
an
ice,
an
internal
combustion
engine.
So
the
estimates
out
there
I,
don't
recall
the
exact
percentages.
Can
you
please
write
down
what
we'll
get
the
percentage
predicted
savings,
but
there
is
a
significance
predicted.
It's
predicted
savings
on
on
maintenance,
even
breaks
on
those
Vehicles,
because
much
of
the
braking
is
regenerative.
Braking
you
let
off
the
gas
and
the
electric
motor
that
was
propelling.
C
D
C
D
C
Delve
into
that,
the
one
time
for
customers,
but
the
other
tests
for
us
whether
it
falls
under
a
size,
is
that
a
passenger
vehicle.
For
instance.
We
have
buses
under
our
purview
because
they
are
still
passenger
vehicles,
but
no
we
haven't
looked
at
the
larger,
something
like
Amazon
or
UPS
would
drive
heavier
vehicles
and
there
are
they
are
being
used
by
other
companies
out
there.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
at
the
state
is
looking
to
employ
those
for
your
state
views.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
appreciate,
y'all
coming
before
us
and
given
a
very
detailed
information,
appreciate
the
tenacity
of
really
trying
to
peel
things
back
in
terms
of
give
us
a
good
report.
E
I
got
two
questions
and
this
is
really
comes
from
a
more
efficiency
point
of
view
and
making
sure
that
we've
got
the
right
processes
and
procedures
in
place
in
order
to
provide
these
type.
This
type
of
Transportation
help
our
employees
out
and
so
forth.
E
My
question
is-
and
it
goes
back
a
couple
years
ago
about
doing
a
cost,
benefit
analysis
and
look
at
maintaining
purchasing
overseeing
the
vehicle
fleets
versus
working
with
another
organization
outside
of
the
government
in
order
to
oversee
all
that
and
to
manage
that
and
so
forth,
to
maintain
it
and
so
forth.
E
Have
you
all
gone
through
more
of
a
like
a
formal
analysis
about
that
and
then,
before
you
answer
that
I've
always
been
I
always
come
from
a
point
of
view
that
if
Government
Can
Do
the
best,
that's
great,
you
know
if
another
entity
can
do
it.
That's
that's
okay,
but
there's
got
to
be
quality
assurances
in
order
to
make
sure
that
happens,
because
we
got
taxpayers
involved,
but
also
we
want
to
make
sure
we
do
the
best
we
can
in
terms
of
delivering
Services.
E
C
Sorry
so,
during
the
time
that
I've
been
there,
yes,
we
we
have
not
or
no,
we
have
not
done
any
type
of
cost
comparison
between
going
with
a
Enterprise
for
a
lease
program,
but
they
have
done
that
in
the
past
and
determined
I.
Don't
know
what
analysis
was
done,
but
determined
that
it
was.
The
better
option
was
to
bring
it
back
in
the
house.
So
we
have
ventured
down
that
that
road
before
my
time,
twice
I'm
told
twice
in
the
past
and
have
always
returned
back
to
the
in-house
model.
C
So
I
can
look
the
thing
I'm
finding
is
historic.
Records
of
those
kind
of
things
are
very
difficult
to
find.
So
we
could.
We
could,
if
directed,
to,
do
so
and
take
a
new
study
to
look
at
that,
but
we
haven't.
E
Okay
and
I-
and
this
is
more
of
a
back
of
the
napkin
approach
several
years
ago-
went
through
that
process
and
I
talked
and
be
frankly.
I
can't
remember
how
I
talked
to
the
who
the
department
we
went
through
and
it
seemed
like
it
didn't
make
sense
that
that
we're
that
the
employees
are
doing
a
great
job
in
terms
of
maintaining
their
Fleet,
that
we're
they're
doing
the
best
job
you
can
in
terms
of
making
sure
we
get
the
purchase
price
at
a
lowest
possible
price.
E
C
We
we
don't
have
anything
planned
currently:
okay
and
you're.
Right,
though
traditionally
I
talked
about
Fleet
pricing
in
the
briefing
as
well
and
traditionally
fleets
when
I
first
got
to
Fleet
and
I
saw
what
we
were
paying
for.
You
know
a
half
ton
and
three
quarter.
Ton
pickups
I
want
to
know
where
I
could
sign
up,
because
the
pricing
is
traditionally
is
dramatically
less
than
what
the
general
Public's
pay.
That's
changing.
C
The
manufacturers
could
sell
every
vehicle
that
rolls
off
the
the
assembly
line
to
the
public
at
regular
pricing
in
many
cases
above
MSRP,
so
they're,
not
as
incentivized
to
take
care
of
Fleet
prices,
I
believe
I
think
that's
what
we're
going
to
experience
this
year.
I
should
say
that
to
qualify
that.
E
One
last
question:
Mr
chairman:
we
don't
go
through
a
procurement
process
like
I.
Think
you
said,
Enterprise
are
the
folks
that
they
have
a
contract
with
in
a
nutshell,
what's
what's
some
of
the
criteria
y'all
use
that
helps
to
determine
who's
the
best
vendor
to
provide
that
service
or
not.
E
C
State
has
Enterprise
and
Avis
I
believe
so.
This
is
apparently
and
we'll
verify
this,
but
there's
apparently
Mas
on
yeah
that
have
embedded
bid
and
put
on
Mas
or
companies
have
gone
through
the
bid
process
we
put
on
Mas
and
that
we
believe
is
Avis
Enterprise
we'll
need
to
confirm
that
I
know
Enterprises
on
it.
B
D
Might
be
just
proof
that
I
was
too
long-winded.
You.
D
Would
not
be
the
first
person,
that's
cut
me
off
prematurely
are
regular
either
one
just
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
on
that.
It's
my
understanding
that
we
have
our
own
mechanics
and
technicians
as
part
of
our
Fleet
employees.
That's
true
so,
and
part
of
I
can't
think
what
it
was
it,
what
it
would
be,
but
other
than
Fuel
and
maintenance.
Is
there
any
other
factor
that
would
look
at
a
decreased
maintenance
cost
when
we
move
more
to
Alternative
Vehicles,
as
opposed
to
traditional
and
specifically
everyone,
every
business
that
I
talk
to
that
needs.
C
D
Y'all
factor
that
sort
of
thing
into
your
cost
differential
on
your
Breakeven
points
on
alternative
versus
traditional,
so.
C
I
apologize
and
we
are
using
the
department
of
energy
site
which
factors
in
anticipated
maintenance
costs
for
ice
vehicle
any
similar
EV,
but
yes
other
than
maintenance
and
fuel
I.
Don't
know
that
there's
other
factors
I
know
for
for
the
general
public
they'd
also
look
at
because
there's
a
different
initial
cost,
the
additional
finance
charges,
but
that
doesn't
really
apply
to
us.
D
D
C
Is
our
vehicles
are
spread
all
around
the
all?
This
all
around
the
state
in
our
garage
for
Fleet
is
here
in
Frankfurt,
but
also
right
now,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
very
difficult
to
get
experienced,
mechanics
sure
and
I
mentioned
in
the
brief
that
we've
set
up
a
program
because
we
couldn't
attract.
We
haven't
we've
been
unsuccessful
in
attracting
a
higher
level,
AC
certification
levels
to
State
Employment,
so
we
have
managed
to
hire
a
few
entry
level
level
one.
C
C
C
D
C
C
These
are
new
to
the
fleet,
so
they're
going
to
be
under
warranty
for
some
time.
D
C
D
One
more
follow-up
question:
Mr
chairman,
you
talked
previously
about
not
all
the
vehicles
having
GPS
on
from
Alex
tracking.
Is
that
just
because
there's
some
of
the
older
vehicles
in
the
fleet
and
we're
just
letting
those
rotate
out
before
we
start
with
GPS
on
others
or
is
there?
Are
there
valid
reasons
to
not
have
some
of.
D
C
The
so
yes
age
of
vehicle
can
can
impact
some
of
the
data
we
get
from.
We
use
a
company
called
geotab,
which
is
a
lot
more
than
just
GPS.
It's
a
unit
that
collects
data
from
the
onboard
computers
and
provides
us
a
lot
of
additional
information
other
than
just
mileage
or
location
data.
That
GPS
would
provide
in
fact,
mileage
in
some
cases
actually
taken
from
the
car
computer.
C
So
rather
the.
C
C
D
B
You
I
think
that
last
bit
is
important,
because
we've
had
state
workers
in
the
recent
past
who
had
findings
in
the
ethics
commission
against
them,
because
they
didn't
properly
report
report
mileage,
and
so
it's
important
that
we
get
these
GPS
on
and
that
protects
our
state
employees
but
also
protects
the
taxpayer.
Yes,
sir
Senator
Carol.
F
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
gentlemen,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Just
in
general,
can
you
talk
about
resale
value
on
the
evvs
and
how
that
factors
in
and
I
know
you
haven't
been
through
this
enough,
but
have
you
all
had
those
discussions?
Do
you
have
data
on
what
the
the
possible
resale
values
would
be,
as
you
calculate
total
cost
again.
C
That
is
factored
in
on
the
doe
site
that
we've
relied
on
for
most
of
our
calculations.
I,
don't
know
that
it.
It
probably
does
separate
that
I
have
to
go
back.
It's
been
a
while,
since
I've
been
in
that
site
to
tell
you
what
the
residual
value
is
it
at
a
certain
point,
but
for
our
vehicles
in
general
we
use
basically
15
I,
think
it
is
Rule
when
we're
planning.
C
So
two
different
questions,
I
know,
but
we're
planning
for
what
our
revenues
are
going
to
be
in
a
given
year.
C
We
and
we
know,
there's
a
certain
percentage
of
vehicles
that
can
be
rotated
out,
they're
going
to
go
to
auction
in
almost
all
cases,
and
on
average
we
get
about
15
percent
at
the
current
mileage
and
age
of
the
vehicles
that
we're
sending
over
I
would
anticipate
that
wouldn't
prove
some
but
it'd
be
marginally
as
we
bring
down
the
mileage
and
the
age
of
the
vehicles
that
we
send
over
I'm.
Not
sure
I
fully
answered
your
question,
but.
F
Well,
it's
just
it's
specific
to
the
the
electric
full
electric,
because
I
know
the
cost
of
the
batteries
and
I'm,
assuming
that's
a
huge
cost
and
and
so
I
I'm
I,
don't
know
how
you
I
have
no
idea
about
this.
How
it?
What
is
what
is
the
breaking
point
on
a
battery's
life
that
you
know
it's
where
somebody
well
I'm,
not
going
to
give
that
much
for
that
car,
because
I'm
gonna
have
to
replace
the
batteries
and
that's
going
to
cost
me
thousands
of
dollars.
F
So
you
know
how
do
we
Factor
all
that
into
the
equation?
It's
just
a
whole
new
market
with
these,
the
EVs
and
and
it's
where
people
you
look
at
just
the
mileage.
Basically,
and
you
know
what
that
does
to
to
a
gas
powered
engine
if
it's
been
taken
care
of
Maintenance
it's
going
to
last
a
while,
but
with
batteries
I'm
sure,
there's
a
there's,
a
point
that
they
just
go
dead,
and
so
how
does
that?
F
How
do
you
calculate
those
things
in
to
the
value
when
you
factor
in
how
long
you're
going
to
keep
one?
And
so
it's
just
there's
a
lot
of
other
variants
that
I
would
think
have
to
be
considered
in
long
term
on
on
on
resale
as
it
as
it
the
cost
to
the
entire
EV
program
as
we
move
forward.
If
that
makes
any
sense,
it.
B
All
right,
I
think
that's
the
end
of
the
questions.
Thank
you
firing
line
is
is
over,
so
thank
you
guys
and
if
there's
no
further
business
before
the
committee,
we
are
adjourner.
Thank
you
like.