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B
B
B
New
kaha
members
slash
membership
and
bugs
putting
by
testing
into
your
own
routine
and
also
a
resolution.
So
that's
a
pretty
cool
agenda,
so
mr.
Brannon,
the
awesome
mr.
Brannon
submitted
most
of
those
because
he
is
awesome
and
extremely
active,
so
yeah,
definitely
applause,
no
I,
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
you
want
to
start
off.
You
know
say
what
you
wanted
to
say
about
the
top
bugs
and
enhancements
of
interest.
There
are
a
lot
out
there
and.
C
B
C
Sometimes
all
it
takes,
you
know
if
you're
connected
to
that
bike,
you're
getting
some
emails
about
some
activity
on
it,
and
if
you
see
something
that
piques
your
interest
like
yeah
I
want
I'd
like
to
see
that
happen.
Click
the
link
on
there
and
say
yeah
I'd
like
to
see
that
happen
or
I,
don't
know
that's
kind
of
weird
that
kind
of
goes
off
of
off
course
or
whatever
you
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
long-winded.
B
C
Think
you
know,
at
least
you
know
there
should
be
some
discussion
generated
here
about
the
things
that
are
concerning
people.
We
need
to
be
able
to
talk
about
it
and,
if
we're
talking
about
it,
that
may
generate
more
activity
on
those
particular
flights,
but
we
need
a
big
room
attention.
Not
everybody
has
the
time
to
go
through
and
sift
through
and
see.
Oh,
what's
this
about,
and
what's
this
fight
about,
they
got
it.
C
D
B
E
A
B
A
B
A
A
E
C
Have
the
bug
numbers
for
those
how
they
look
right
now.
E
C
Yeah
I'm
I'm
making
a
goal.
You
know
when
we're
talking
about
bugs
can't
necessarily
look
at
all
of
them
during
the
meeting,
but
I
am
certainly
going
to
look
them
up
and
if
there's
anything
of
interest
or
something
that
that
I
have
questions
about,
I
can
bring
it
up
at
the
next
meeting.
Or
you
know
any
of
you
can
do
that.
So
it
would
be
great
to
generate
more
conversation
about
those
and.
A
A
B
E
We
don't
have
to
talk
about
much
more
about
put
it
in
the
chat
which
is
I've,
started,
updating
the
wiki
with
some
developments
that
we're
interested
in
pursuing
and
I'll
drop
that
link
in
the
wiki,
but
people,
and
we
should
start
talking
about
some
of
those
or
start.
You
know
contacting
each
other
or
me,
I've
got
it
under
draft
development
torment.
But
it's
on
the
developments
to
consider
page
I'll
drop
the
link
here
in
the
chat,
so
everybody
can
see
it
so
how.
C
C
Okay,
well,
if
you
decide
to
do
it,
you
know
we
made
some
great
enhancements
for
it
to
make
it
more
flexible.
However,
I
don't
have
the
book
number
in
front
of
me
at
the
moment,
but
we
discovered
that
there
is
a
flaw
in
the
reduced
loan
period.
It
apparently
changes
the
time
index
on
the
the
due
date.
C
I
can't
change
the
code,
myself
I'm,
not
that
savvy
with
coding,
but
we
pretty
much
pointed
to
the
problem
and
just
need
to
find
somebody
that
can
actually
touch
it
and
write
a
patch
for
it.
So
but
it
is
a
great
feature:
we've
had
a
lot
of
libraries
that
will
have
new
books
and
they'll
reduce
the
loan
period
manually
on
these
items
for
six
months
or
whatever,
and
it's
a
lot
of
work,
especially
for
the
libraries
that
have
one
employee.
C
We're
kind
of
meshing
as
a
consortium,
because
those
libraries
that
couldn't
do
it
in
the
past
they'd
have
items
new
items
that
were
loaning
for
longer
periods
and
people
were
getting
smart
and
savvy
about
that
and
and
putting
holds
on
just
those
items
that
were
checking
out
longer.
Rather
than
the
short
loans,
so
this
is
making
a
huge
difference.
E
C
Checkout,
so
they
don't
know
from
the
catalog.
You
know
you
know
what
the
loan
period
is
going
to
be
exactly.
They
can
see
the
the
original
loan
period,
but
their
checkout
slips.
We
have
we've
had
information
on
our
OPEX,
but
the
checkout
slips
do
say.
Please
check
your
due
dates,
because
high
demand
items
will
have
a
shorter
loan
period
so,
but
that
is
calculated
at
the
time
of
checkout.
C
And
one
of
the
enhancements
that
we
added
was
the
ability
to
override
that
short
one
period.
We
have
things
like
home
down
patrons
that
can't
deal
with
that
short
one
period
and
we
have
a
bookmobile
that
only
gets
to
certain
areas
at
a
certain
time.
So
they
can't,
you
know,
be
there
as
frequently,
and
so
they
have
to
be
able
to
override
that
short
loan
period
as
well,
and
so
that
made
a
huge
difference
is.
C
C
It
dismisses
anything,
that's
lost
or
withdrawn,
so
you
know
we
added
a
lot
of
that
functionality
to
it,
but
before
it
was
just
you
know,
if
you
had
X
amount
of
holds,
it
would
shorten
it
and
that
didn't
make
sense
when
you
had
20
items
available
to
place
holds
on
so
it
takes
that
into
account
and
it
shorts
it
down
to
14
days
and
it
doesn't
touch
things
that
are
already
at
14
days
or
lower.
So
it's
pretty
smart
about
that.
C
Although
we
do
see
the
message
pop
up
on
14
night
on
14
day
items,
things
that
are
already
14-day
it
pops
up
there,
it
doesn't
hurt
anything,
but
that's
another
thing
that
needs
to
be
tweaked
a
little
bit.
It
just
needs
to
ignore
the
things
that
are
are
the
exact
same
loan
period
as
the
shortened
date,
but
no,
it's
worked
great.
B
C
A
A
And
I
should
have
realized
that
we
were
going
to
talk
about
it
and
I
should
have
had
it
up
they're
just
under
earlier
this
week.
Probably
when
I
sent
it
to
you,
okay,
we
got
19
responses.
A
And
I
don't
know,
I
can
put
the
link
to
the
responses
in
the
chat
window.
You
guys
might
be
able
to
access.
It
should
be
able
to
with
the
link
where
you
can
see
the
pretty
pretty
charts
and
I
thought
the
very
first
question.
Overall,
how
do
you
feel
about
this
year's
conference?
Most
people?
Everybody
was
either
four
or
five
with
five
being
loved
it
and
four
being
liked
it
a
lot.
So.
C
A
C
Thing
that
I
noticed
most
going
through
when
I
last
looked
at
these
I.
Don't
know
if
there
was
anything
added
since,
but
the
thing
that
I
noticed
most
was
you
know
every
Monterey
'test
knock
themselves
out.
I
really
appreciated
everything
that
Monterey
did
the
the
biggest
challenge
was.
Was
you
know,
space
and
hurry
us
to
break
out
in
I?
C
Think
those
are
some
areas
that
we
need
to
improve
on,
especially
when
we're
requesting
sites
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
ample
space,
I
I,
think
the
thing
is
we
didn't
anticipate
such
a
huge
turnout.
This
time
we
grew
yeah.
That
was
a
big
thing.
If
we
had
been
the
same
size
that
we
had
been
in
the
past,
I
think
it
would
have
been
better
yeah.
A
But
yeah
trying
to
trying
to
manage
breakouts
with
60
people
instead
of
40,
ended
up
being
a
challenge
and
so
a
good.
A
So
yeah
I've
heard
a
lot
of
excellent
things
about
the
about
the
venue.
The
folks
at
Monterey,
the
food
was,
was
pretty
consistently
brought
up
as
being
amazing
for
the
20
bucks
that
we
all
paid
for
it,
so
that
was
nice
yeah
did
anybody
have
anything
specific
that
they
wanted
to
mention
about
the
conference?
The
recap.
D
F
C
I
think
getting
virtual
boxes
set
up
was
so
much
better
NIC
in
providing
those
whoever
provided
the
flash
drives
with
those
virtual
box
set
ups
need
the
process
so
much
easier.
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
for
us
in
the
hackfest
is
just
having
enough
people
that
are
really
savvy
with
the
stuff
to
be
available.
To
answer
questions
I
like
the
fact
that
we
have
a
diverse.
C
Set
of
things
to
focus
on
during
half
s
rather
than
just
bugs
washing
because
we
had
some
other
things
going
on
around
in
the
room,
but
not
enough
people
to
help
with
all
of
those
and
so
I
think
in
the
conference
us
to
come.
If
we
continue
to
go
that
route,
we
need
to
ask
for
people
to
step
up
to
help
guide
those
so
that
we
have
more
people
able
to
to
help
guide
and
get
more
people
involved,
rather
than
some
people
waiting
for
one
person.
C
F
It's
fun,
you
know
we
were
able
to
come
in
this,
but
you
know,
ultimately,
what
we
need
is
people
that
can
go
in
and
they
can
test
these
patches.
They
can
test
these
updates
and
upgrades,
and
so
it's
it
feels
sort
of
like
sometimes
it's
absolutely
necessary
what
you
guys
are
talking
about
and
or
what
we're
talking
about
in
resolving
these
bugs,
but
getting
those
things
tested
and
getting
them
push
forward.
F
Got
instructions
on
the
wiki,
but
you
know
the
community
and
you
know
making
sure
that
people
aware
and
if
there's
a
reoccurring,
there's
a
reoccurring,
sort
of
training
or
refresher
training
to
keep
people
up
on
it.
You
know
I'm
just
trying
to
get
people
motivated
and
getting
them
to
step
in
and
feel
comfortable
about.
That
I
think
is
really
going
to
be
extremely
helpful.
I
think.
C
You
know
we
need,
we
I
need
to
go
in
there
and
say:
okay,
you
know,
here's
all
the
bugs
that
are
at
my
level
or
whatever
you
know.
If
we
we
were
able
to
rate
those
those
bugs
at
skill
level,
somehow
I
don't
know
how
we
could
do
that,
but
if
there
were
some
way
for
them
to
know
okay,
these
are
the
set
of
bugs
that
I
can
go
in
and
I
know,
I
can
tackle
and
make
it
easier
on
on
people
using
themself
into
it.
The
other
bottleneck
that
I
I
see
is
for.
C
For
me,
you
know
I've
been
able
to
set
up
virtual
machines
for
some
of
the
patches
that
require
a
little
bit
more
hands-on.
That
I
can't
do
necessarily
on
the
the
sand
boxes
if
I've
gone
for
a
little
time
without
testing
patches
I
come
back
to
it.
I
have
to
reset
my
environment
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
things
have
changed,
I
have
to
update
koha,
and
you
know
by
the
time
I
get
that
all
then
I've
lost
a
lot
of
time
to
to
do
testing,
and
so
that's
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge.
C
C
F
You
know
if
that
was
something
that
we
could,
even
if
the
eight
yet
people,
even
at
the
college
level,
especially
programmers.
You
know
people
that
do
have
that
kind
of
an
interest
to
go
in
and
they
can
feel
like
they're
a
part
of
it
and
they
can
actually
maybe
put
it
on
a
resume
I.
Don't
know
you
know
we
squash
bugs
you
work
with
Perl
yeah.
Well,
how
can
we
start
opening
this
up
even
outside
the
community,
or
people
may
have
just
knew
the
community?
You.
A
C
Think
that
going
back
to
Todd's
question
I
think
that
the
virtual
boxes,
those
have
really
cut
a
lot
of
corners
for
those
that
want
to
do
testing
the
thing
for
me.
I,
would
stop
using
a
virtual
machine
and
use
the
sandbox
if
I
had
if
there
was
some
mechanism
in
place
with
those
sand
boxes
to
do
more
of
the
the
back
end
tweaking
for
some
of
these
patches,
where
you
have
to
you
know,.
C
We
need
to
develop
and
figure
out
a
way
to
to
make
some
more
of
those
back-end
processes
happen
that
you
know
we
can
tweak
some
stuff
or
you
know
you
know,
tell
us
tell
it
to
do
something
that
we
can't
on
the
front
end
in
order
to
get
some
of
these
patches
more
tested
more
on
on
the
sand
boxes,
make
it
less
of
a
hassle
for
those
that
are
testing
and
can't
do
it.
You
know
on
a
dedicated
schedule,
like
you
know,
our
more
dedicated
programmers
can.
B
You
know
the
other
thing
I
was
wondering
about
is,
if
once
we
get
some
bugs
that
are
of
concern
to
more
people,
that
people
might
team
up
and
have
like
a
meetup
kind
of
like
this,
but
with
like
two
or
three
or
four
people,
somebody
its
knowledgeable
can
you
know,
get
a
test
instance
going
and
then
the
other
people
can
kind
of
help
with
the
testing
or
sign-off
or
whatever.
You
can
get
several
people
to
sign
off
or
test
or
whatever
I
don't
know.
But
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
I
mean.
B
D
E
Say
taught
the
concrete
takeaways
if
there
was
some
sort
of
the
sandbox
plus,
you
know
a
full
koha
environments
that
allowed
either
a
longer
time
or
some
like
Christopher,
said
some
more
of
the
the
backend
access
to
do
testing
of
bugs.
That
would
need
a
little
more
attention
that
the
sandbox
wouldn't
work
for,
whether
that's
you
know
something
hosted
on
and
the
Rackspace
servers
or
or
somebody
if
there
was
a
library
that
had
access
to
that
kind
of
thing.
So
that
would
be
my
suggestion
for
an
actionable
item.
I
guess.
F
B
F
C
C
Right,
yeah,
you
know
cuz,
you
know
you
you're
working
on
some
of
those
patches
and
they
say
well,
you
need
to
to
run
this
and
I
can't
run
those
things
on
a
sandbox
and
that
and
that's
a
roadblock-
and
you
know
if
you're,
if
you're
getting
started
in
patch
testing,
you
see
something
that
you
want
to
do
and
you
want
to
work
on
it
and
you
say:
oh
yeah,
I
can
oh
I
can't
because
I
can't
do
this,
it
becomes.
It
becomes
a
kind
of
a.
C
E
Yeah
I
do
the
same
thing:
I've
got
a
virtual
and
I
just
snapshot
it
when
I
installed
it
and
that
way
I
can
easily
roll
back.
And,
of
course,
if
you
know
how
to
work
with
git,
it's
also
fairly
easy
to
branch
stuff,
and
then
you
know
return
to
master.
But
not
everybody
knows
how
to
do
that.
So
I
agree
yeah.
It's.
B
C
Know
you
know
you
know
and
I'm
not
testing
that
we
have
necessarily
I
mean
there
could
be
different
levels
of
sandboxes,
but
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we
have
a
sandbox
where
you
know
we
can
get
necessarily
into
the
command
lines,
but
I
mean
if
there
were.
You
know
if
there
were
common
things
that
we
have
to
do
during
some
tests.
C
C
You
know
codes
or
whatever
anything
that
we
could
do
to
streamline.
That
process
is
going
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
test
things.
I
mean
there.
There
are
countless
times
when
I
can't
do
something
because
I
you
know
I'm
supposed
to
well,
it
deals
with
email
or
something,
and
we
have
no
real
mechanism
for
testing
emails
in
a
sandbox.
We
have
no
real
mechanism
for.
C
I
H
So
if
we
could
get
a
list
of
those
things
that
would
really
help
us
to
design
in
designing
a
more
you
know,
user-friendly,
less
technically,
based
sandbox
with
I
mean
access,
isn't
an
issue.
We
just
need
to
set
you
up
on
something,
that's
separate
from
our
cloud
hosting
platform
for
security
reasons,
and
then
we
will
give
you
access.
So
that's
not
a
problem,
but
if
you
could
get
me
a
list
of
those
things
that
I
can
pass
it
on
to
our
developers,
that
would
be
fantastic
because
we
would
love
love
to
help
with
this.
C
B
Idea:
okay,
yeah,
let's
see
so
we
kind
of
went
on
from
conference
recap
into
bugs
puttin
testing
in
your
routine,
so
we
kind
of
covered
that,
but
that's
cool
anything
else
from
the
conference
looping
not
too
far.
Oh
I
know
what
I
was
going
to
say.
I
think
I
observed
that
as
you
have
a
larger
group,
you're
gonna
develop
tracks,
so
you're
gonna
have
like
when
we
get
larger.
B
You're
gonna
have
a
newbie
track,
because
there
are
people
that
aren't
going
to
get
to
the
level
that
we
just
were
in,
but
they
certainly
need
to
be
introduced
to
the
whole
koha
community
and
in
an
ecosystem
and
the
more
buy-in
they
get
the
more
successful
their
implementation
and
over
the
long
run
it's
going
to
benefit
the
whole
project.
So
I
don't
know
I,
just
think
that
will
be
they'll
be
exciting.
You
know
when
we
ask
people
to
kind
of
hit
critical
mass
for
tracks.
B
C
We
have
a
resource
out
there
that
breaks
down,
at
least
for
the
United
States,
the
the
Quahog
users.
What
types
of
libraries
are
involved
because
it'd
be
interesting
to
know
things
like
you
know
how
many
like
how
many
of
the
koha
installations
are
used
in
a
consortium?
How
many
are
in
public
libraries
cemani
are
in
school
libraries
we've
had
we
had
people
there
that
were
with
law
libraries.
F
Know
Chris
I
think
you're
gonna
find
that
by
water
probably
has
at
least
90
percent
of
all
the,
if
not
more
I'm
just
thinking
you
know
the
people
who
are
running
it
independent,
but
at
least
90
percent
of
all
the
vendor
supported
libraries
and
you're
gonna
find
a
selection
across
the
board.
If
you
even
go
to
our
site,
you're
gonna
be
able
to
see
you
know
full
cross-section
of
just
about
every
one
of
those
types
of
libraries
from
special
to
consortium.
Public
academic
I
mean
everything's
I.
A
J
A
H
H
And
university:
okay,
and
that
also
includes
law,
academic
law
and
I'm,
just
the
academic
law
and
medical
law
I,
don't
have
it
broken
down
that
granularly,
but
I
could
give
that
information
for
you,
special
libraries,
like
museums,
things
like
that
corporate
constitute
21%
of
our
customer
base
and
consortium,
which
could
also
be
lumped
into
Publix,
depending
how
you
want
to
look
at
it
represent
5%,
Wow,
okay.
But
when
you
look
at
sites
the
consortium's
--is
most
of
the
others,
so
right.
B
F
Kind
of
been
you
do
you
guys
you
envision
for
yourself
besides
having
a
website
or
a
web
page
where
you
can
start
to
attract
more
people,
and
then
you
can
start,
you
know,
or
we
can
start
as
kohai,
you
less.
We
can
start
pushing
our
message.
I
kind
of
have
difficulty
with
this,
because
I
represent
by
water
and
as
much
as
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
Kauai
us
I.
F
Don't
want
it
to
seem,
like
you
know,
I'm
here
in
a
different
capacity
and
I
want
to
be
a
representative
of
Kauai
US,
as
well
as
separate
myself
from
by
water
as
being
represented
by
water.
What
you
guys
see
is,
as
you
trying
to
push
your
message
and
and
to
what
extent,
of
course
is
gonna
be
kohai.
Us
are
you
doing
anything?
Are
you
trying
to
come
up
with
any
tools
that
that
help
other
people
to
find
out
more
about
quahog?
Besides,
just
our
normal
venues,
I
think.
C
We
need
to
have
more
of
a
presence
with
more
of
the
the
events
the
conference's
that
go
on.
You
know,
PLA
Ala,
all
those
things
I
think
you
know,
I
know
that
koha
has
a
presence
and
the
you
know
by
watering
in
and
so
forth,
but
it
would
probably
serve
our
interests
to
have
a
representative
represents
the
user
group
as
well.
B
B
A
Do
that
at
our
state
conference
we
have
a
Kansas
at
the
Kansas
Library
Association
conference.
We
usually
have
a
meet-up
of
all
the
coho
users
in
the
state
at
some
point
during
the
conference
and
I.
Think
Jason
Robb
puts
that
together
for
us.
So
you
know
we
could
be
doing
that
in
our
individual
states
as
well
to
help,
if
not
be
a
vendor,
then
at
least
to
have
a
meet-up
and
have
a
place
where
people
can
come
and
ask
questions.
A
B
C
C
For
you
know
anyone
of
us
that
is
attending
and
is
going
to
represent
this
group,
and
you
know,
even
if
we're
not
I'm
wondering
I,
don't
know
what,
if
there
are
any
issues
around
this
but
I'm
wondering
if,
if
we
don't
have
one
of
us
there,
if
others
that
are
there
representing
Koha
and
some
capacity
would
include
information,
you
know
you
know
brochures
or
whatever
about
the
group
if
they
would
include
that
at
their
table
or
you
know
whatever.
So
you
know,
there's
got
to
be
some
ways
that
we
can.
D
About
two
weeks,
I'm
going
to
be
going
to
try
chapter
conference
for
the
Medical
Library
Association
for
a
mid-atlantic
in
a
couple
of
others
and
I'm
gonna
have
about
15
minutes
to
talk
about
the
author
catalog.
So
if
you
can
get
something
to
me
on
next
week,
some
sort
of
brochure
about
what
is
Khoa
I'm.
Obviously
ain't
gonna
have
to
explain
it
a
little
bit,
but
I
only
have
13
minutes
and
I
can
put
up
I'm
gonna
make
my
slideshow
available.
C
Well,
even
if
even
if
we
don't,
if
you
just
share
you
know
your
experience
with
the
the
user
group
and
you
know
point
out
where
or
our
wiki
is
and
what
we
do
and-
and
you
know
what
has
transpired
at
the
the
annual
conference-
that
that's
a
start,
so
you
know
if
we
don't
have
anything
thrown
together
by
that
point
by
all
means,
please,
you
know
at
least
share
your
experience
and
get
us
known.
You
know
just
by
word
of
mouth,
certainly.
H
H
B
I
B
B
A
B
A
A
He
sometimes
supposed
puts
in
a
proposal
as
well,
so
those
are
a
couple
of
Midwestern
options
that
I
think
I
think
we'll
have
for
this
round.
The
first
thing
to
do
when
it's
the
conference
is
actually
to
start
soliciting
the
proposals,
and
this
is
what
September
we
should
probably
have
that
going
by
next
month,
if
not
November
yeah.
C
B
A
A
I
I'm,
just
joking
no,
it
was.
It
was
pretty
late
as
far
as
conferences
go,
and
it
just
happened
that
way.
I
know
that
we
were
mired
in
some
ways
with
the
establish
you
know
we're
trying
to
establish
our
organization
as
an
organization
instead
of
just
a
group
of
people
meeting
together,
you
know
so
we
had
the
bylaws
and
things
like
that
to
worry
about
as
well,
but
it
was
pretty
late
comparatively
okay,
well.
A
Well,
I
guess.
The
first
thing
is
setting
up
a
committee
who
wants
to
be
on
the
conference
planning
committee
and
once
we
get
that
going,
then
a
timeline
of
when
we'll
have
the
request
for
proposals
out
when
we'll
decide
on
which
you
know
they
have
the
voting
and
then
announcing
of
the
proposal
of
the
proposed
site
winner
and
then
at
that
point,
I
think
before
I
think
we
always
did
that.
A
C
You
know,
obviously
we
we
need
to
have
those
proposals
for
four
venues.
We
need
the
the
committee
and
the
thing
that
we
need
early
on
as
well
is
topics
and
tracks,
the
sooner
that
we
get
that
the
more
people
will
know
if
they're
going
to
attend
or
not
and
can
prepare
for
that
and
plan
for
it
and
get
budgets
and
lines
and
stuff.
So
those
are
those
are
three
things
that
we
need
to
have
done.
Asap
I
think.
B
B
A
B
I
A
A
C
A
C
Can
see
we're
approaching
9:30
here
at
my
time,
watching
the
half-hour
mark
here
or
the
hour
mark
for
the
meeting
Vista.
There
was
one
other
item
on
the
list.
Maybe
we
can
table
it
till
next
time
the
new
koha
members
and
mentorship
I
think
we
should
focus
more
of
that.
This
was
this
was
a
good
meeting.
Today
we
had
a
lot
to
talk
about,
but
I
think
we
should
develop
a
plan
of
action
for
reaching
out
to
those
new
members
and
inviting
them
into
the
fold.
C
F
H
A
E
C
H
Highlighting
that,
on
the
announcement,
this
meeting
I
think
would
be
a
good
motivator
to
get
people
here,
because
people
are
bothered
by
something
they're
very,
very
willing
to
talk
about
it
and
as
we
want
you
know,
I
mean
that's
a
good
thing.
Quiet
and
one
happy
users
are
the
worst
because
there's
nothing
we
can
do
to
fix
it.
So
you
know
if
this
is
a
good
forum,
that's
non-threatening
and
it's
filled
with
users,
not
vendors
I.