Koha-US SIG - Cataloging Special Interest Group, 3 Feb 2022

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00:11:56 Liz Dukelow Central Kansas Library System: Good morning everyone!
00:12:49 Heather Hernandez (she/her): https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Linked_Data_RFC
00:12:56 Heather Hernandez (she/her): https://norcaltpg.wordpress.com/2022/01/25/recording-and-slides-for-bibframe-activities-during-a-pandemic/
00:21:42 Melanie: Is it a good idea to link to Pirates and not have an authority record for Pirates Fiction
00:21:47 Margaret Brown: Is there a link to that?
00:22:28 Margaret Brown: I mean a link to that video.
00:22:34 Jason Robb, SEKLS: https://norcaltpg.wordpress.com/2022/01/25/recording-and-slides-for-bibframe-activities-during-a-pandemic/
00:22:46 Melanie: Thanks!
00:22:59 Heather Hernandez (she/her): https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Linked_Data_RFC
00:25:17 Liz Dukelow Central Kansas Library System: Absolutely!!
00:31:41 George Williams: demo.koha-us.org
00:32:05 Heather Hernandez (she/her): info@koha-us.org
00:34:03 Heather Hernandez (she/her): Join Koha-US: https://koha-us.org/join/
00:34:04 Jason Robb, SEKLS: https://koha-us.org/join/
00:34:32 Jason Robb, SEKLS: https://koha-us.org/learn/cataloging/

A

Hello, everyone welcome to the february cataloging special interest group of koha us and I don't have a lot of things that were submitted to talk about ahead of time. But I know that we had been talking about uh linked data and bib frame and I'm going to put the linked data page from the coho wiki in the chat and then I'm also going to put in a recording of a session. It was a remote session done about bib frame.

A

Let me go over here and look so I say the right things from nctpg and they have the recording up and I'm going to put that in the chat too, because it, I think it was a bib frame update, but I think it offered a really good look at what bib frame kind of actually is and does- and I found it very useful. So there's the coho wiki in the chat and here's that bib frame, recording and list says good morning to everyone in the chat too good morning.

A

Liz so does anyone have anything they wanted to bring to the group.

B

Well, eventually, I just might get all our bibliographies and other things on the actual koa server, rather than have to use the third or this a different.

B

Virtual machine, but I haven't done it yet, but I have sort of the impetus to do it, uh which I won't. I don't think I should say, while we're recording.

A

You can update us after.

B

Okay, um but yeah I've been doing a lot of cataloging lately.

A

Hi margaret did you have something you wanted to bring to the group not today. Well, I guess everything is is going pretty well, then, for folks.

C

Or pretty badly either.

A

All right we're all struggling in wrestling.

B

Trying to dig out from whatever it is actually I have been cataloging books. I just I've been able to do them, so I don't have anything to talk about.

A

B

Except for dust jackets.

A

Well, there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a very short meeting.

B

Okay, um could you explain linked data to.

B

Someone who uh finds the even their term intimidating.

B

Or is this something I need to go figure out for myself and watch the.

A

Well, I do recommend watching. I do recommend watching the video um linked data in its most simple form is kind of something that coha already does, and many of us have seen the little subfield nine in uh certain fields of the mark record. The authority, control fields like the subject headings or the name headings- will have the little subfield nine with the authority record number so that when you change or update the authority record, those headings are automatically also updated and changed.

A

That's a form of linked data.

B

Okay or set the to the dnlm, something at the end of the 650 something could it be that.

A

um That, if I am understanding correctly, is explaining the subject heading thesaurus, from which the 650 came, I can share my screen and open one of those fields to show people. Let me get one of them up here before I share my screen, so you don't have to watch me search and flail around.

C

Yeah, I'm still trying to get on top of uh magazines that change their name. Every three issues.

A

If they truly are changing their name, every three issues, there's no shame in putting them all. On one record, with a note that says, title varies and lots of 246 fields. I think.

C

Well, the the trouble is people will call in and ask for. You know a citation to a particular title and if I haven't got that literal title, I don't know which of the ohio groups called themselves the nut maker for for a year and a half.

A

It can be yeah yeah, we can talk about uniform titles, but sometimes it's it just takes some flailing.

C

It's the the trouble with uniform titles. Is that our patrons don't know what those are yeah, my life easier, but their life harder, and that's that's not what I'm supposed to be doing here.

A

Oh 246's can be a beautiful thing. Okay, I'm going to share my screen here.

A

Now can folks see our coho catalog, the staff client, okay, so mad ship, robin hobb, and I'm gonna go ahead and go in to edit this record, because I find it is a nice display to look at these things.

A

So in these 650s, for example, pirates fiction- and you then see the subfield line of the authority record number 692- that is creating that link, so that say, pirates was changed by the library of congress to um piratical seafarers.

A

All I would then have to do is over in the authorities. Module.

A

Look up pirates fig! Oh that's interesting! Oh I guess it's linking the main heading and ignoring the subfield. That's awesome I would all I would have to do was go here to this authority record and edit. It will go into edit without hopefully doing anything.

A

I would probably make pirates a c from over here in the 450s and then change this to pi, radical seafarers, and when I did that over in my bib record, it would automatically change that that's a form of linked data linked data can go further. It can not only store a reference like this local authority record number.

A

It could, for example, rather than storing pirates fiction and this local pointer, it could store a url to an online authority file like at id.loc.gov.

A

And then I wouldn't have to maintain those headings at all and when somebody searched and retrieved this record they would see. Pirates fiction but stored in the marc record would just be the url pointing to the central authority record.

A

Linked data can get all kinds of fancy, so I'm going gonna stop sharing.

A

Now I really recommend taking a look at that norcal technical processing group bib frame video because they they actually open up their bib frame editor and their normal cataloging editor. So you can actually see the differences and see what they're talking about.

A

um Melanie puts in the chat: is it a good idea to link to pirates and not have an authority record for pirates fiction? Is there a link to that ah yeah? So um forgive me if I'm telling you things you already know, but fiction is a free-floating subdivision, so you can put subfield v fiction. After almost anything. That indicates it's fiction about this thing, and so, if we wanted to have authority records for every single time, we used the subfield v fiction.

A

That would be a lot of authority records. So it's really handy if cohan understands that seville v fiction is valid, it's valid under anything. So we'll just have. Oh the link to you know the main heading pirates, oh link to the video there we go. Thank you jason yeah. If you join later, you might not be seeing the link to that video and then also I'll repeat the link to the coho wiki linked data, page.

D

Hey uh heather, do you know if the camera is way off? Now uh you don't need to see the top of my head. um You know.

B

If that sort of.

D

External linking to like a central authority is in production anywhere, not just like cohaba or other systems already doing that sort of thing.

A

I think it is in production, but I'm not aware of which systems are doing it. um I don't remember from the bib frame video if their bib frame is doing it, but I know that it's it's out there um among early adopters and implementers.

D

Okay, I just wondered because we I mean our authorities aren't in any great shape. So I don't know I mean like we could wait and just link up to central authorities and not worry about it. I think that's kind of what we've been doing since the beginning.

D

So um yeah I mean we're cleaning them up as we go, but it would be nice to just be able to rely on someone else for that sort of thing for sure.

A

Yeah, um I I wonder every now and then where coho can go with this, um if koko will be able to implement some sort of centralized standard that everybody's implementing would be fantastic so that in because in the 650 the indicators say pretty much what type of heading it is and then, if coho can understand that and just store that uri or url to that centralized file that would make life so nice.

D

This sounds like a great uh bug ticket to hash out and throw out to the community so that it can get moving.

B

D

I don't know what it would take, though, either it's.

A

Yeah, it's it's something that I've been meaning to try to learn more about. um I, as as you can probably tell I have some understanding of it, but I'm still very vague and I feel like I've got a lot to learn, but it's it's intriguing and it would make it would make life so much easier. I think, especially for smaller institutions or large consortiums that have different libraries using different authority file systems and thesauri.

D

Yeah- and I mean if I I need to watch this video- if there are other things that are already able to do it, that means gohan can do it. We just have to teach it how I think.

A

Exactly and I think that's where um I'd like to really read and try to really understand on the coho wiki, that linked data rfc and then try to look up which, which bugs are talking about it.

C

Politically, it's going to be a lot easier to get your consortium to follow lc than it is to get them all to follow. You.

A

But if there were groups of like collections.

C

A

Know, for example, you're so strong in uh genealogy and family histories, and I know there are many many many genealogical society collections out there.

C

All tiny by and large.

A

All tiny, but together very big and if there were some way to.

C

We get lds to open up their authority files.

C

Simplifies everyone's life.

A

Exactly exactly find a centralized location catalog to host them.

A

You know the world can be your authority oyster then.

B

If I'm a distracted times, because I'm looking up.

D

B

I name anyway, um which I probably won't find, but I am uh someone from palney, which is the private academic library network of indiana approached me to see if it was possible to self-host color and I said absolutely, and he and lauren, and I talked for a while- and I've been urging them or someone from their group to show up at meetings.

B

That might be a good thing to have, for, let's say, a consortium of 23 academic libraries who are sort of being broke together.

A

Definitely, I hope they can make it to one of the coho general meetings or come to one of our special interest groups, even the consortia one yeah.

B

C

B

C

B

And my mind has, of course gone blank as to his name noah. Here we go noah brubaker.

B

So if you see anyone from penny.

A

B

A

I know I think that name's familiar, I think I might have seen the name. You know around the the you know the email lists or the groups or the zooms or something cool.

B

Yeah I told him he had to meet you heather.

B

A

Tried darn my vaccination timing, I'll get better about that.

B

Let me put it this way on their staff page.

B

They have lots of coffee, I think they'll fit in yes,.

B

A

Nice beverages of choice- well, one reason: I'm really interested in uh personally off work on one of my my personal laptops, trying to break the linux barrier and learn more about coha on my own is that I think that I'd like to learn more about implementations like this like link, data and authorities, maybe experiment with the koha us demo system and learn more about that. I know it could only help me in my work, but this is the sort of uh experimenting that I do not want to be doing with my live system.

C

No, this is what sandboxes are for. Yes,.

A

B

Yeah, I would highly recommend my method to set up your own library or make it uh spines running in digitalocean. I can just make a snapshot and spin up a new copy.

B

Everything is the same, except when I destroy it. By making a horrible mistake, I can go back and see the original and I think, you've seen the uh pleasant valley, public library took me an hour to set up okay. I have more experience than some of you in setting up and breaking systems. I have more experience in breaking them. I'm sure.

A

Maybe um maybe jason, if you have the link to the coho us demo system, handy we'll pop that in the chat.

B

And jason, if you have the link to the public side, I can't remember what it is. So I use um port 8080 and port 80.

D

B

For everyone's.

D

uh Point of information we have the links in the footer of our website. Oh.

A

D

Access it's there, yeah. That would maybe.

C

Thank you, george. Never would have guessed that link.

D

C

D

You guys need staff access, you can just email info and we can get you in on the south side too. If you want to play around there.

C

Yeah, it's about four machines down my list, but I'm going to set up my own local server to have a personal sandbox and see if I can, if it makes sense to catalog on that for faster turnaround than upload.

A

Yeah, I'd also like to do some more experimenting with mark edit, but again uh I don't want to be affecting you know. I don't want to be mixing it up with my work mark at it.

B

Well, that's when I, when I'm updating the author's catalog, I have one file for each step, because I don't want to destroy something.

B

Last time I made it through about 50 citations, and I realized that I hadn't downloaded the doi for any of them. That was annoying.

A

Well, does um anyone have anything else they want to talk about.

D

I can make two plugs. I guess uh the first one is: if you haven't renewed or signed up for call us membership. Now is a good time to do it. um One of the perks of membership. Is you get to vote on things that affect the organization and we have a vote coming up on conference? I believe so. If you want to have your voice heard about the conference, be sure and get your membership renewed. We're.

A

D

Yes, anyone can be a member, even if they are inanimate. um George beat me or heather beat me to that one. There you go. uh The second thing I wanted to mention.

B

D

That the koa us education committee is working on sort of cleaning up restructuring the what we have on the website and I've been kind of revamping the individual pages and taking down dead videos that sort of thing. So the the new learn and point pages look like that. um The link in the chat there.

D

So if you have resources you'd like to share- or you have videos that could be added to that resources playlist in the bottom, there um we're happy to kind of, add and curate and make our our depository of coha knowledge even larger, so feel free to.

B

uh Email, education.

D

Gosh that work for, if you have resources to add or things to share.

B

I will as soon as I finish, this long search about uh frostbite and limb, salvage.

C

Yeah we're worried about that in florida too. It's been down in the 40s, oh my.

B

Actually, have you heard of pavement burns? Is that a weapon a couple of weeks ago.

A

B

More prevalent in nevada because it's drier and hotter.

C

We we actually get that people coming out of the water and burning their feet on the sand.

B

I remember it's nice bright white sand.

B

C

Understand it's worse. Does.

A

Anybody have anything else or.

C

B

Right yeah interrupt. I want to hear about white hot sand. It hurts.

C

Not as bad as black hot sand, no.

A

Well, I think I'm just gonna go ahead and stop the recording. Then.

B

uh Heather you're welcome to edit this part out. You know.

D

No we're keeping it.

A

Oh yes, totally, and you know don't forget- to join us next month to hear more about white hot sand. Okay, stopping the recording.