Koha-US SIG - Cataloging Special Interest Group, 7 Jul 2022

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00:23:26 Barbara Johnson: https://koha-us.org/events/conferences/kohacon22/
00:24:35 Mercedes Argentina: Great!
00:24:47 Heather Hernandez: This is my email address, heather_hernandez@nps.gov , or to reach our group, cataloging@koha-us.org
00:24:55 SUNITA PAREEK: thanks
00:25:36 Heather Hernandez: This is one of the cataloging records Margaret is talking about: https://wilco.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=63171&query_desc=kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20three%20complete%20novels
00:25:54 Heather Hernandez: https://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_bks&q=0399143882&fq=dt%3Abks
00:31:18 Christie: Is it a big process to transition over to Elastic from Zebra?
00:31:47 Jennifer Marlatt: No, the switch was really easy.
00:33:07 Marcia Butler: Thank you for all your thoughts on our 3 Novels question. I am taking notes but have to jump off shortly. I will start by looking at our Default framework.
00:33:37 Marcia Butler: Please, I would love more information on switching from Zebra to Elastic
00:34:00 Jason (SEKLS): https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Elasticsearch
00:34:17 Marcia Butler: Good to know. We are supported.
00:34:19 Barbara Johnson: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/elastic-search-configuration
00:34:50 Heather Hernandez: Bywater Solutions page about Elastic: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/elastic-searching
00:36:09 Heather Hernandez: https://www.ptfs-europe.com/improvements-to-searching-in-koha-21-05-and-21-11/
00:36:21 Heather Hernandez: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/2111-upgrades-hub
00:41:11 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): Oh that is beautiful!!
00:41:22 Heather Hernandez: Right?!?
00:41:39 Marcia Butler: Nice. Bye everyone.
00:41:50 Heather Hernandez: By, Marcia! Thanks for joining us!
00:43:39 NWACC Library: LOL!
00:43:42 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): NO THANK YOU FRED
00:43:57 Heather Hernandez: 😆
00:44:29 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): lolol
00:45:54 Heather Hernandez: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/monday-minutes-using-the-galadriel-plugin-to-customize-the-opac
00:46:00 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): ooo
00:46:50 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): XD
00:47:06 Heather Hernandez: Info on the Koha-US Special Interest Groups, including the WebDev group, https://koha-us.org/special-interest-groups/
00:48:51 Heather Hernandez: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/XSLT_Overview
00:52:04 Heather Hernandez: https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd856.html
00:55:05 Jason (SEKLS): https://librarytechnology.org/document/27302
00:55:59 Heather Hernandez: https://www.youtube.com/c/kohaUS/search?query=bibframe
00:56:23 Jason (SEKLS): https://norcaltpg.wordpress.com/2022/01/25/recording-and-slides-for-bibframe-activities-during-a-pandemic/
00:59:58 Jason (SEKLS): there's a bibframe bug too! https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14239
01:01:45 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): Not per record anymore
01:03:30 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): So do we
01:05:15 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): I have a form for our libraries to fill out
01:05:44 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): Yes
01:06:53 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): https://ckls.libguides.com/forms-and-reports
01:09:46 Barbara Johnson: I have a number of Z39.50 servers that I can add to the Koha demo site
01:10:07 Fred King: +1
01:11:29 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): Yay!!!
01:11:39 Margaret Brown: Barbara, that would be great!
01:17:07 Liz Dukelow (CKLS): WOOO

A

Hello: everyone welcome to the july coho us cataloging special interest group. It's delightful to see you all here this morning. uh Barbara is going to make an announcement about koha khan, and then we have um submitted a very interesting question from margaret, which we'll do so barbara. Take it away.

B

Hi everyone- I just wanted to remind you that quahog con 22 is coming up this september, uh it's september 20th through 23rd in lawrence kansas, I'm going to put a link in the chat to the conference webpage.

B

You can find out about the presentations that are going to happen so the schedule, the draft schedule is there. um There is information on uh hotels um and just just lots of information. I'd love to see everyone come to kansas. You can also attend online.

B

So if, um if you're only going to attend online still register because we'd like to know uh everybody, that's attending and it'll it'll probably help us know what kind of ad and youtubeness and whatever I don't do that stuff. But I think it's important to know everybody. That's coming whether it's in person or online, so tell your colleagues it'll, be a great conference and hope you can participate.

A

I'll be a remote attendee, unfortunately not able to travel, but I'm going to be tuning in with delight.

A

So, thank you, barbara um also. I'm going to put my email address the email address of our group in the chat and then margaret did you want to talk about the very interesting cataloging record? um Okay,.

C

um The original thing, the way it came up in the first place, uh one of our circ staff, was asked by a patron for a particular title by noah roberts.

C

um So she pulled it up in the catalog and told him that we had it and it was available and the patron went and looked on the shelf and came back and held up the collection of the whole series and said: why didn't you tell me this was there. This is all of them together in one book.

C

So now we're trying to find a way to make that really obvious, which titles are included, because they're cataloged says three complete novels in very small print at the top, but that's what's in the 245, and it shouldn't be like that, so we're trying to figure out what we can do to make it in your face, obvious, which titles are included, I tried. I thought it would be a great idea to put a 740 740 doesn't show in my catalog at all.

C

700S do 740s do not.

A

So, what's that about gosh yeah um 740s do show up in our catalog. I think that might be something to look into. Also. I had one idea for margaret and put a link to worldcat records.

A

That's um my idea was in in the 245 the cataloger gets to choose. If there's a collective title like three complete novels, the cataloger can choose to do the 245 at that level with say 700 fields or contents notes, 505s or there's some records there in that worldcat link that put the individual novels in the 245.

A

Maybe other people have other ideas about ways to address these um omnibus editions that may or may not have collective titles.

D

Sorry, I somewhat spaced out um first to make the 740 viewable that's controlled in your framework, so in administration. If you go to your mark frameworks, whichever framework you're using if it's book, then you need to go in and say: 740 make that field viewable in the staff interface and in the opac.

D

If you that's, where that's controlled, um what we've used in the past- and I can't remember how it appears on the opac- is the 505 analytic records um as well. I almost think we've even used the 246.

D

yes, but those are the two that that we tend to use and the 505 shows up in the record itself on the opec. Now whether or not we set that to do that or if god automatically does that, I'm not sure, but I think it's a it's pretty.

A

Much we've been.

E

Waiting to show 505., okay.

F

Yeah, I was just looking up uh three by flannery o'connor at library, congress and the three titles are in the 505.

G

Yeah I looked up in our catalog and we've got it every which way I was hoping. I could give you a standard for us as well, but um we definitely have some that have it in the 246, which I mean it gives it sort of the same weight as the title when you're searching.

G

So um if you search for that title it would, it would have the standalone, but also the three complete um sort of in the same ranking, um and then we do have it in in 505 sometimes, and we do have it in the 246 sometimes so um I I would think about prior trying to get it to float to the top in your search and putting in the title is going to be the the best way to do that.

G

um But a 246 might be an alternative uh to get it sort of weighted higher and it does depend on your your weightings and what search engine you're using and all that jazz.

D

How do you control your weighting in your elasticsearch.

H

D

I don't have a lot to search. We have zebra because my series title is popping in about like it's weighted more than my 245, and I don't like that. I want my 245 to be weighted higher than my 444.90 whatever like, but I don't know how to fix that.

A

Yeah, I think, I think, with zebra you're kind of stuck it's converting to elastic search. That gives you the control to increase and decrease waiting.

H

That's what I was afraid of.

A

Yeah, I'm a huge fan of elastic. Actually, it's it's been super. It's been absolutely terrific.

D

Rit department is waiting on koha to catch up to the speed at which elasticsearch updates its indexing or something like that to my knowledge. So they don't want to upgrade us to elasticsearch, yet until quahog gets a little bit faster at including how it all works, because we're unsupported so when or if we ever go support it. That is probably going to be on the top of our list of okay. You manage it at last to search for us.

F

I'm even less supportive than you are. I have to figure out uh how to do the whole thing myself and if.

A

F

An answer to christy's question.

A

Christy asked in the chat: is it a big process to uh transition and jennifer says no? The switch was really easy. We found it absolutely painless. There was a little bit of playing and troubleshooting with our search waiting, so I found it helpful when we made the process before we transitioned with zebra.

A

I made notes about the things I didn't like and the things I liked and some search examples, so that and then what I did was I saved some screenshots. So I had those examples of how our catalog behaved with zebra. Then, when we switched to elastic I did those same searches and compared and if they were not improved, then I knew how to adjust the weighting and in the in our search settings or at least had a start on how to start, and uh the other thing that uh I did was made some notes about.

A

There's some really good online resources, and I can I can make a note to look at you know for our august meeting about resources, resources on switching from zebra to elastic um that, where the the documentation about how the search is going to behave differently. To give to our staff so that they knew, and then there were a lot of reminders because we had spent years on zebra, so it would be like okay, truncation works differently. This way, this works differently.

A

This way this is so notes about the behaviors and notes about the documentation were really helpful.

G

So we should mention that it was easy and painless for us supported people. um I.

F

Was just about to bring that up.

G

Yeah, so I did find the wiki on uh on it with instructions on how to do it yourself, fred, but I don't know, I don't know how easy and painless it it'll be for you guys, um but if you are supported and your company has experience like for us- we waited a long time to switch to elastic and when we switched it, you guys who had adopted it earlier had already worked out most of the kinks. So we didn't really have to change any settings at all.

G

It was working pretty much out of the box for us. So, yes, it was painless for us.

F

Is zebra going to be supported for a long time? Does anyone know? On the one hand, it would be nice to install and learn something new? On the other hand, no one ever uses our catalog.

F

It's only the staff.

G

I don't know I I would guess that they'll plan on supporting it until they can't um no one's gonna shoot the zebra.

A

I know that in bugzilla I still see bugs you know to correct and adapt and improve zebra behavior. So I know that it's definitely currently being supported and developed for.

A

So yeah, oh um I'll, do some looking and be sure to get some resources together for our august meeting. um That brings me to a page I wanted to mention about uh there's a ptf website about improvements to they have a video for improvements to searching in coho, 21.05 and 21 11.

A

That I thought I'd mention to folks and then also bywater solutions has put up and again these are resources available to anybody.

A

There's nothing pay walder, restricted, bywaters page about upgrading to 2111 has some really good mentioning of some of the notable features and links to resources.

A

So does anybody else have anything they'd like to mention today or ask about.

D

I did finally find out how to remove give you the follow-up on how to remove the availability for your online resources.

E

E

I will share my screen and we're seeing your screen there. We go.

E

Login, it's a plugin.

I

Is what enables it?

I

So if I go to my tools to plugins.

E

D

It's this one right here.

A

Install the galadriel opac theme, designed by michael cavus ah and.

D

What we're looking into now is using it to figure out our color scheme and all this so that it's all on the front end instead of the back, but that back over hide the action buttons availability for your online resources. So now, when I go to the opac.

E

H

I don't know why it's being slow.

D

I also don't know why it's behaving like this, because.

F

Because other people are watching, that's why there.

D

We go. That is exactly why I'm like we have jquery to make this so much easier.

D

It now just shows the lovely link and got rid of that whole is it available? Where is it available? That is very confusing, considering it's available online and not in the actual library. So that is how you took forever to figure it out and uh look at videos.

A

And those those pretty links that say, click here for online resource full text available online free those are being generated from your 856 field in your mark record. Yes, so.

H

D

And that's generated by both the subfield three and the subfield um okay. Here we go.

D

Three and you.

D

We've I've tried to make it easy for our catalogers and made a drop-down list. Oh that's beautiful that you.

J

D

So this is an authorized value for us of all of the main options and then, if you need to, you know specify it a little bit better. So actually I need to clean this one up. So um what is this? This is a so this is a for journal ag index and full text.

D

And so the url, the only in the link text we're actually going to move to three because we cleaned it up before we just had online journal.

D

um Actually that one worked, some of them, we just had online access and we've changed it all to now say online version access so that it actually describes a little bit better for the material so that we can move it into three and still use the z to make it in specific.

D

So here it it doesn't even show up that. There's a difference at all, and if I update this, it's not going to look any different it'll, just change the wording of the text, so it doesn't really matter what field you put the text in it. It shows them all the same. The size of this text that plug-in will allow you to change the size if you want it bigger or smaller, as well as the color which.

A

You know lauren, this is gorgeous. I think it would be great if you would consider a kohakan presentation on how you implemented the plugin and then creating the authorized values for your catalogers. It's it's! It's stunning.

D

Next year, this year, fred- and I are already yes doing- one on how to convert from excel to mark and I can't even go. I have to watch online, I'm so bummed. You have.

F

To join online, I want you're going to be there too.

D

Right now I don't have, I may have meetings during.

H

F

H

F

F

And when anyone have here have a phd.

D

I it's still in they're, still finalizing.

D

Our meeting and it's a like our whole department from all over the world. That's the week. We decided for our meetings, so it's like. It really needs to happen because people are coming from literally. Oh, my supervisor from australia is coming. I think we have someone from germany coming.

D

It's been on the books for a year.

D

It'll it'll be fun I'll, just watch it online.

A

At night I'll be remote attending too, I'm really glad that that's an option.

F

Okay, can I get a cardboard cut out of you, lauren.

D

I don't know just just have a um a cup of tea there and.

F

How about a teapot.

A

There you go well. Thank you, lauren. Thank you for the follow-up that that is just that is terrific.

D

Yeah, whenever I'm finished, cleaning up our library and working on frameworks, I am planning on doing a presentation on what we did with our frameworks, including the whole online um piece of the puzzle, because that that took like months to find what.

D

What to do um yeah and I'll look because by water did I found in my notes: bywater did a um blog post and video about that app and how to do or that plug-in and how to do it.

D

And when going back through all my notes, I found it and I'm like oh.

G

I just want to like plug the fact that um lucas is actively working on collateral, and he mentioned at the last web dev sig that he's always eager to add, like customizations, that we're doing to collateral, so people can use. So if there are things that you'd like to see added to the plug-in coming to the web, dev sig is a good place to um get your voice heard about that.

D

Okay, I think good to know.

A

Does anybody else have anything they'd like to bring up or chat about.

F

Well, I was moderately semi successful in attaching.

F

For the author's catalog, the residence program and location to the any of the 100 fields- yes, I know you want them to be 700s I'll. Do that someday.

D

Your catalog, it's it's easy in mark edith. I.

F

Know I just have to export the entire database and do actually I can just do it with um notepad change. The all the 100s to 700s.

F

But not today, okay,.

A

um I'll, just I'll just pop in and say you know, in my humble opinion, uh the difference between a 100 and a 700 is an artifact from card catalogs about what you would want to appear at the top. I I think it's it's totally academic. At this point and yeah anyway, but fred go on you. You.

F

I think I did have to change the um record to allow multiple 100 fields.

F

And I did try, I think it was anyway. I ended up using a b and c b for the um program and c for the institution.

F

I'd be, you would have been better as far as the cataloging format, but I couldn't get it to work.

F

And I don't really want to go back and edit all the um see. I think it's xlst xslt. You know the ones I mean.

F

So it's working good, but then there's the georgetown washington hospital center residency division that I don't want to think about, and you don't want to know about because it's too boring it's not really cataloging. It's turf.

A

Well, to briefly fill in folks if they're, completely confused um fred was trying to add in some information about affiliations, to name headings and so 100 700, usually personal names or family names, um and a subfield c would be added, usually from more just some miscellaneous, more information to differentiate. So that's that's a good place to put some things. Sometimes, if you have to really go non-standard, one of my favorite examples, for that is a heading. That's something like smith, comma, john setfield, c rat catcher.

A

Is you often get a profession used to distinguish the name from other names.

F

John ratcatcher smith, that's right, nickname! That's.

A

F

Yes, I would have ahead of that, because there's a few new faces here, um guess what I'm doing is taking medline records, converting them into mark records as best I can. Are there a few things that would make real catalogers clutch their pearls heather. I noticed you're not wearing your pearls today, no.

A

I'm going crazy today, no pearls to clutch.

F

uh Like the 857 field,.

F

Which I should probably change the 856 except 857, I'm using for the digital object identifier, and I would like that to appear uh you'd like it to appear, rather than just a click here. If that makes sense, uh because 856 generally doesn't show the link. So I could probably do it and uh something else like the 856 z.

A

The 856 z does display a public note or, like we were seeing with lauren a subfield 3 is.

C

A

Text that could say the online journal is available. You know uh select this link for blah blah blah and in the subfield three or the set feel z. You can it's free text you can, you can put in anything, it will show up and then be clickable through whatever's in the subfield view. So if you wanted to repeat what's in the subfield, u in a subfield, three or a subfield z go for it and then it displays.

F

Yes, when I started out um just putting our link that we would use to get to this place in 856, but then the two big problem companies uh started linking the doi to what we would get. So it's not really all that useful anymore.

A

I put a link to the mark 21.

A

56 field and wanted to talking about what this saying: sub field: three subfield z, something? U.

A

Well, it sounds red like you've. You've reached a point, that's good enough.

F

F

It sort of works.

E

Does anybody have anything they'd like to bring up.

K

Yeah yeah, I just want to ask you, I don't know if you know, but uh um is there any commercial software that is right now trying out um bib frame and because we heard that ebsco was trying that and we sent them a message asking about that. But we didn't get any answers.

K

So I don't know if you, if you know about this or anything because we wanted a, we wanted to see it implemented right now in in any software at all just to test it see it, and- um and we heard about that so and I don't know if that's right.

A

H

We talked about bib frame in one of our previous meetings and I had put.

A

A link in the chat to a really really good, recorded session on rib frame that demo that had some demonstrations. The library of congress is actively implementing it um that that recording in chat should be on the copa us youtube.

K

And they are implemented through which software.

A

They um they have developed an interface that they are using to to do the cataloging, I'm forgetting off the top of my head. Maybe other people know about it. I know there are other libraries you know about.

K

Dev score, I don't because we we heard, uh um I don't remember his position, but but a guy from ebsco telling that they were already trying it in any of.

A

Their software, I know that there are a lot of coho libraries that do work with ebsco and um I oh great jason, put a link in the chat, and I know that uh bywater is also involved in some some interface with ebsco and yes, I know ebsco is actively aware of of bipframe.

K

Okay, I will. I will see that link.

G

Yeah and that's just a news article that marshall put out last this april, saying that ebsco is working with um bib frame somehow, but I I didn't dig any deeper than that.

K

E

E

And I'm going to put.

A

A link into the chat to the coho us youtube channel that I searched it's a search for bib frame that should pull up some of our cataloging group recordings and if, if you have any um any trouble with that or don't find what you're looking for would like more information shoot me an email and we'll bring it up again at our group and talk about it again. um My uh my sense of it, oh great jason. Thank you, jason, put in another great link.

A

Is that it's there it's coming, but it's it's very much, uh I would kind of say like beta testing. It's people are developing it. It's in development, it's on the horizon, but uh it just the sheer volume of what's in mark 21 is going to make mark 21 viable for a very long time, but the the guys.

K

A

Yeah but the crosswalks are there.

A

It's really cool, I mean, if uh I'm I'm used to looking at what I call the naked mark record. You know like that, as exported just a just a big, long string of characters and then looking at the naked, the bib frame. It's it's like. Oh that's, easier to read. I I think it's it's very interesting.

K

G

And that link that I put in there is the one for that webinar that we were talking about. So it's from the library of congress and it talks about how they're implementing it internally and testing it internally.

A

Thank you, perfect yeah. Thank you, jason, that's exactly the one I was thinking of. I found it absolutely interesting and good and in a great recording great explanations, great demos.

A

And also yeah, the coho community is very aware of bipframe and I've. I've found.

A

I've I've found that koha is is much more flexible. Of course, I mean it's actively developed it's developed by the community when, when such changes come implementing them.

E

So any other comments, questions.

F

H

F

Last a while back uh john stervins and I were at the ala conference at um the koa us booth, but I table, but I did get a chance to go over to oclc and chat with them a bit. I was sort of hoping they might have an arrangement for really small teeny libraries such as you know, one hour of z, 39.50 access for this much. They don't uh figured it was worth asking, but I asked they said: no, uh you might get a really.

F

Might do some sort of consortium, but then they'd have to know who is in the consortium. You can be a member of the consortium for a couple of weeks and then drop it out. So another great idea down the drain.

A

Well, maybe it's not necessarily down the drain. I uh coha us is an organization. uh Is that is a some sort of consortium.

A

I mean why why can't coho us become an oclc member, contributing cataloging to the koha us demo, and then you know the koha us demo has a z3950.

G

I'm waiting for a madam president to chime in with her thoughts.

B

Madam president, doesn't know.

B

Madam president, doesn't use oclc even so.

F

Where does, madam president, get her records.

B

uh We do z3950 and we get uh some. You know we get vendor records from our from the vendor we purchase from and we work with those and.

G

So my understanding is oclc has a cost right I mean. Is it per record, though? No so you just subscribe to it. Yes,.

A

You get you get a subscription based on various and sundry things, um our we're no clc yeah. They used to they used to charge per record per transaction, that sort of thing and now they've simply moved it to a subscription base. So uh one would one would have to get a quote figure it out.

A

But I know there are such things as consortial memberships, educational memberships. They um oclc offers educational subscriptions there. There are different type of cataloging subscriptions, there's a full subscription, which means you can affect changes in the oclc database to records. There's an educational subscription, meaning you can interact and make changes.

A

But all your changes are wiped out at the end of the evening and that's designed for library, schools, library, training programs so that they can play around, but really not do anything terrible to a record it'll be wiped out later and then there's searching subscriptions where you can search and export so there and then there's different levels of subscription based on what service you're using if you're, interacting with the oclc database via connection which is their either web-based or client-based cataloging software or other interfaces. They have whether you're using it for cataloging or interlibrary loan.

A

So my library, for example, we have a cataloging subscription and an interlibrary loan subscription.

F

Yes right away, and then they also offer through, uh I think it's world share- that ill cataloging records once a week for let's see for us clinical key or mcgraw, some grow hill.

F

For our online collections from from them access medicine but there's also a much smaller subscription, you'll get so many records per month or per year um they can download, but that doesn't have oclc.

F

And again, I'm thinking of really teeny libraries with a few thousand books that just want to.

F

Get a bunch of records to start out their collection, but they won't do that.

A

There's another way that I can think of that tv libraries can get some cataloging assistance would be say: oh people who are coha catalogers, who would be willing to do it on a volunteer basis, say a teeny library can supply some basic information like a scan of the cover and a scan of the title page in the title, page verso and the last page and oh another koha us member could come up with a nice basic record for them say and put that record in the coho us demo catalog, so that they could then download it.

B

G

I do I like the idea of setting up the demo side is the target where we can supply records to people. I think that's a good idea. I don't know about harvesting the records from oclc to supply them to the world that might get us in some trouble, but um yeah.

A

Liz says she has a form for their libraries to fill out liz. If you could share that form, that would be super awesome.

F

um When you stop recording, I have more information.

A

Excellent yeah, um something that we were chatting about beforehand before we started. The meeting is the fact that I'm I'm looking at retiring anytime from this very minute to three years from now, depending on how nice my job remains and at various other factors- and I mean I for one- want to continue to use my skills for the benefit of the coho community, and you know I'm uh catalogers tend to be nerdy, geeky people, we we organize information, and I know I for one.

A

If some library around the world filled out that form and contributed the scans and said hey, can anybody just do a record for us? For this I mean you know if, if I'm in the middle of cleaning my kitchen- and I wanted to just do something, quick and satisfying I'd, I'd probably volunteer to do some of those and catalogers are great giving people. I bet there are other people here who would thanks.

J

A

J

Awesome, it's actually um our lip guide and under. If you click on it, go down to cataloging. I have different forms for different formats, so I have four books, tvs magazines. So please.

C

J

This is just for ck libraries, unfortunately,.

C

But you're more than welcome to take.

J

Inspiration from this um and things like that, but they all go to a single google doc, full file excel sheet thing and I can type in pages, and so they.

F

J

F

J

I I fill those requests like once a week or so, and it helps our librarians out.

A

This is so awesome and ko kojo us people who are here. I know it's kind of a short turnaround, but if, if there could be something like a copa, u s form based on these forms.

J

And I am more than willing to like help make them or whatever yeah like that's. It's.

F

A very simple thing.

J

F

um I have another idea which is uh you know: we've talked on and off about getting a collection of c3950 libraries that are especially helpful. I could just set up the demo with t39 and you could put in let's say the isbn click you would go searching. It would add it to the coi us demo, but of course you can also make a list of or add things to, a cart and download them as mark records.

D

Liz when you get your responses for your books, do they ever come like 30 at a time.

J

um Yes, actually that's more for dvds and I'm trying to discourage them from doing that, because it's a brand new dvd, it's not an oclc, and I have to make that and it's like an hour per record, and I don't want to do that.

J

I can't I try to encourage our librarians to wait like a couple of days for the dvds, because eventually it will get in not necessarily by me, um but it's easier to find a clc after a few days, um but yeah it depends on who the librarian is, how proactive they are. We have 54 public libraries, our school libraries, don't really use it um but yeah.

J

C

J

Since 2018 I made these and.

C

J

I think I have like 400 requests on one page 800 on another. Okay.

D

Have you ever used mark edit that convert that that expression, so I've done I've actually had some volunteers for journal articles?

D

I'm like I don't want to teach you cataloging, here's a spreadsheet with all the fields at the top fill it out. Send it to me when you have 50.

D

and then I convert it. But then I save my template and marquette, and so then it becomes it's not as hard. Now I'm slowly learning what I did wrong and need to.

J

D

And change the control fields.

J

And since I'm I'm actually pretty spoiled because we have an oclc subscription and I use connection connection more than anything else, so I can go in and generally find what they can find and bring it in uh original cataloging.

F

J

F

Bit more buffed because there's so many.

J

People who aren't going through publishers, um so your indie titles that are little librarians love to buy um those tend to be the most original cataloging.

J

But no, I I'm actually starting to learn mark edit, um so I don't know much about it, and so I need I'm gonna probably need help once I start digging into it more so fred you want to plug the.

F

A

You know we're here to help you. The mark. Edit list is very helpful.

F

Yeah, I've done a couple of uh videos on meet mark edit, uh which are, I think was with. um I think it was at co-athon and lauren, and I at the upcoming conference are going to do a presentation on uh heather. I wish you could be there you're.

H

Virtually there.

F

um If we need a backing group, yeah.

F

On converting uh spreadsheet, to mark with mark edit and then for upload into uh so.

F

If you go to avengingchicken.online, I know I have some slides from one of my presentations, uh including my wall of knives, which is.

F

I think nice, though some people say terrifying analogy.

A

Well, I'm I'm really excited by this. I I think that the the coho us cataloging record request form could go to cataloging at coho. Us.Org excuse me so that the request can go to our cataloging group and then we'll we'll know if somebody picks it up and does the record that they can then put into the um the coho us demo and.

H

A

Be available for download.

J

Yeah and when I I'm I'm, not the only one who has access to the.

C

J

List um but I have a color coded like this- is in progress.

C

It's this color. If it's finished, it's.

J

Emailed to them, then it's this color type of thing, but.

C

J

It's really simple: um your eyes will bleed from the yellow, but no, um if you give me a link to that folder.

C

I can start doing this.

F

If I may share my screen, I can show you a few slides from meet mark edit.

F

Let's see if I can find.

F

The right thing to share okay.

A

Oh great we're seeing it fred.

F

Okay, it's like a swiss army knife, except you keep getting more and more knives and more knives, and that's what I'm going to talk about in this one, because there's so far too much to talk about.

F

But mark breaker download something from oclc, usually 39.50.

F

That's what we're going to talk about and that's about all I have to say about market at the moment other than it's free. It's wonderful um and it's wonderful and free.

D

It is a time saver.

F

D

That's my biggest jobs that I would never even I'm like. There's no way I can do this manually. It would take too long. I can do you know in a matter of minutes or hours with market. It.

A

And it interfaces with cohort beautifully, it searches your coho database and pulls in copies of your records. You can play with them and do whatever you want and then, when you've decided it's great because you haven't affected your coho database at all, then mark edit can send them back and overlay. The original records.

F

And okay, my author's catalog I have to I used to be uh have to copy the 099 a to the 952p. Then I figured out how to do it with a keypad and a little script turns out. You can do it market it uh just in less than a second for a couple hundred records.

F

I keep thinking I've only discovered this before.

D

I can say that about so many functions in mark added and quahog like it does that that could have saved me so much time. Have I known that it did that and how to do that.

A

Well, something I'm thinking of is that if our, if our little cataloging request form is live by cohocon, we're going to have a special cataloging special interest group session at cohocon, it's it's the it's on the schedule. So follow that link and take a look. uh If we don't have anything else to talk about and we've gotten a request, you know it could just be a demo like hey, kids, let's catalog and just catalog something.

A

I know we know how to have a wild and crazy time.

A

We've choked up fred.

A

Well, we have a couple more minutes. If there's anything else, anybody wants to bring up.

F

Only if you stop recording.

H

Okay, I think we're close enough to the end of the hour. I will go ahead and.