Koha-US SIG - System Admin Special Interest Group, 14 Jul 2020

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00:10:15 Lisette Scheer: https://github.com/ldjamison/koha-plugin-room-reservations
00:11:22 Lisette Scheer: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/room-reservation-plugin-in-koha
00:13:47 Jason Robb, SEKLS: https://github.com/ldjamison/koha-plugin-room-reservations/wiki
00:14:58 yuyan - WOD -- TRENCHANT: Do you guys ever use LISTS in Koha? one of our staff made one by taking Marc field, I try to do by using sql, but mine doesn’t work. I looked at the manual, but it doesn’t give enough information, went to Wiki, cannot find useful stuff on Lists, maybe I didn’t look in right place. any one knows if there is documents on how to work with LISTS in koha etc.? Thank you
00:15:27 Heather: We use lists!
00:15:38 Heather: https://keys.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?op=list&category=2
00:16:33 Heather: Most of our lists are built record by record--slow, but sure.
00:16:41 Jason Robb, SEKLS: https://koha-community.org/manual//19.11/en/html/lists.html#lists
00:16:55 Jennifer Marlatt: We use lists, ours are a bit all over the place because our patrons can also create lists.
00:17:02 Lisette Scheer: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/creating-a-public-list-in-koha
00:17:50 Heather: Our staff uses a lot of lists for projects--we hide those lists from the public.:)
00:18:36 yuyan - WOD -- TRENCHANT: I created a list to group all the title with certain subject. we want to expand our use of LISTS so that we can help different practice group in our Firm, I am in a law firm library.
00:19:23 Jennifer Marlatt: https://corona.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?op=list&category=2
00:24:30 yuyan - WOD -- TRENCHANT: wonderful, thank you for sharing, Jason.
00:24:43 Jason Robb, SEKLS: SELECT items.itemcallnumber, biblio.biblionumber, biblio.title, biblio.author, ExtractValue( biblio_metadata.metadata, '//datafield[@tag="650"]/subfield[@code="a"]' ) AS 'lcsh'FROM biblio_metadataJOIN biblio ON ( biblio_metadata.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber )JOIN items ON ( biblio_metadata.biblionumber = items.biblionumber )WHERE items.homebranch = 'IOLA'AND ExtractValue( biblio_metadata.metadata, '//datafield[@tag="650"]/subfield[@code="a"]' ) LIKE '%Graphic novel%'
00:27:07 Heather: https://keys.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?op=view&shelfnumber=26
00:28:48 Jason Robb, SEKLS: https://www.seknfind.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?op=view&shelfnumber=3965&sortfield=title
00:30:17 Jason Robb, SEKLS: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18147
00:30:55 George Williams: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25869
00:33:33 George Williams: OPACAmazonCoverImages
00:33:45 George Williams: AmazonCoverImages
00:38:18 George Williams: IntranetUserCSS
00:38:24 George Williams: /* - Catalog › Search for SEARCHTERMS- Removes "No image available" placeholders in search results */.no-image {display: none;}
00:39:34 Lisette Scheer: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9991
00:40:34 George Williams: IntranetUserCSS
00:41:58 George Williams: -
00:41:59 George Williams: -
00:42:00 George Williams: /* - Catalog › Search for SEARCHTERMS- Removes "No image available" placeholders in search results */.no-image {display: none;}

00:46:18 George Williams: #bookcoverimg img {max-width: 100px;}
00:48:02 Lisette Scheer: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/koha-tutorial-cover-images-koha-opac-coce-server
00:48:06 George Williams: CoceHost
00:48:25 George Williams: https://coce.bywatersolutions.com
00:48:53 George Williams: CoceProviders
00:49:44 Heather: In the manual, the info on the Coce sysprefs starts here: https://koha-community.org/manual/19.11/en/html/systempreferences.html?highlight=coce#coce-cover-images-cache
00:52:08 yuyan - WOD -- TRENCHANT: I applied George's code, and the two NocoverImage signs disappeared. Should I still keep one?
00:52:41 Heather: We don't miss the "no cover image" image/message, because it's pretty obvious that there's no cover image displaying.:)
00:52:55 yuyan - WOD -- TRENCHANT: Ok
00:54:17 yuyan - WOD -- TRENCHANT: agreed
00:57:34 Lisette Scheer: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25980
00:58:45 Lisette Scheer: https://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/15934747011658
00:59:13 Lisette Scheer: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25025
01:05:02 Fred King: Passwords: https://xkcd.com/936/
01:08:25 yuyan - WOD -- TRENCHANT: Thank you, everyone for sharing

A

So welcome everybody to the system. Admin sig for July I couldn't make it today, so we're just kind of free-flowing. It feel free to jump in. If you have things you want to talk about, there was wasn't it an agenda. He did send me one topic. He wanted us to discuss, though so I'm gonna go ahead and start with that, and then we can go from there.

A

He said that there at McKinney, they're testing out the room, reservation plug-in and wanted to know if other people had used the room reservation plugin at all. If you wanted to share your experiences, I know that we have not.

B

We dabbled with it at you and accounting library, but we did. We didn't use it in earnest, really.

A

Anybody else play with it at all. No.

C

I'm, just looking at the github right now.

A

He said the he mentioned, he hasn't seen anything from Lee in a while and I think we as.

C

The person here is LT Jamison. Yes, so any.

A

Wondered if anybody had contact with Lee Lee Lee.

C

D

C

Was the last time he did anything at all on github, September 5th.

A

Yeah I, don't I, don't have much else. I can add to that. um It is like a plugin that lets you manage room reservations right, like directly from Koha.

C

Let's see here's the Bywater post from last month that treci did a post on it.

B

um I believe what it does is it treats resources. You know kind of get to the muammar file or mark record, and then you kind of check it out to people. But don't quote me on that I'm trying to find.

E

They do have to be nice to.

F

C

Yeah, it looks like you can set up like a a.

G

C

Like tab and set up a calendar and assign rooms to book just from kind of clicking through the tutorial from Jesse's post and it looks kind of like putting a hold but there's like different room options and time and then you can add. It looks like, however, many rooms and you can put like capacity and equipment and I.

C

C

Set that you can set how far out they can reserve.

C

Amount of time they can reserve for how many reservations a patron, can have in a day restricted to patron categories. So, like you could set, the only adults could reserve it or whatever.

C

And you can also black out days like for holidays I, didn't see how it linked to where, if you wanted to- or maybe that's also hate black out like when you're closed since the Koha calendar doesn't have. Oh no, it looks like there's, maybe a start and availability, so I haven't used it, but it looks interesting. A.

A

Link to the wiki for that specific plug in there, so, if anybody's interested in looking into it more that looks like it's got, some good information, I wonder.

C

How well it works with multi branch systems, if you can like, you can probably assign it to a branch now I want to play around with this yeah.

A

Mission accomplished yeah.

C

I think we're gonna get a test server, a film it yeah.

A

C

The directors voted on it, but then we're like waiting. We tried to roll the money for it into a grant. Somehow I don't know exactly how they like an educational cuz. We can use it for patron, and staff, training and I think we're waiting to actually get it till we find out. If we got that grant I think we're gonna get it either way just wait until they know how we're paying for it before we actually get it started. I'm, like that'd, be a great place to test this out. Yeah.

A

Yeah, so if anybody else is interested in the room, reservation plug-in could reach out to ad on our list here for the zygor just individually and I'm guessing he wants to like look at ways. They can improve it, maybe and that's why I was talking to Lee as well. So if you guys want to collaborate on that, that's an option. I seen the chat young says: do you guys ever use lists Cinco ha one of our staff made one by taking mark field actually to do by using sequel.

D

A

Mine doesn't work I.

D

Use all the time I.

H

Just scan with a barcode scan the barcode.

A

Yeah we, our lists, are kind of wild less, because we let anybody make lists, including the patrons. So we do have lotsa lists in there.

A

As far as making a list I do have, you can run reports on lists, I think it's the virtual shelves table. So if somebody makes a list and then you want to pull that out with sequel, you can do that with a report and I've done that before.

A

I'm not sure as far as getting started, maybe the manual have something.

A

So there's a link to the list portion of the manual that might be helpful for getting.

A

Started with making lists and working with them in Goa.

C

My water also did a blog post about how to create this last summer. That has some good, like pictures of ways to create lists and different ways to add items to lists.

C

Yeah, our staff doesn't really useless, but our patrons do.

C

We've talked some about using them to do like displays, especially since we're only open, limited like we're, limiting how many people are in the library at a time and how long people can be in so to try and do like displays that people can browse from home more easily. But we haven't really got a foothold on that. Yet.

A

And yeah I've used them so I have the staff member makes the list and then I pull the list with a report which then you can make a public report and like push that out to an external site. So I did a presentation on that at Kohath on on how how we use those which is handy for doing stuff, like Lowe's I just mentioned, making kind of browsing collections, I.

C

Still have your puppet kits page bookmarked too, and I keep opening it up accident going. Oh I really want to work on doing something like this, because they just catalogued all our puppets. They hadn't been cataloged before.

H

If you want I could create a list now and share my screen.

A

Sure go for it: okay,.

E

D

See if it'll allow me looks like it.

D

Okay, can you see my list page.

D

D

Yeah I'll create a new list.

H

You list it sorted by title author, copyright.

H

Private or public I can change it. Anyone can change it. Please.

D

D

Add items to do barcodes or opilios.

H

Catalog, how about this one.

D

And there's the list that.

H

You can do a whole series of barcodes and then copy and paste it in there or Palio's. It doesn't look like you can upload a file.

A

So you yan mention that they want to do lists of titles with a certain subject. You could definitely like run a report on that subject to get your list of items and make sure you include the Biblio or the barcode number in your report results and then you could copy and paste that list into the list to make your list I.

H

Have no idea, how do it by SQL I.

A

Probably don't have a subject report, but I can maybe look real fast, okay, wait here, I'll show you.

A

Eeny meeny miny too many windows. Oh that's funny! The dog. Isn't it.

A

Okay, so I have this report. That's just called subject of a graphic. Novel I didn't actually test it just a second ago before I clicked it. So this may not work.

A

Okay yeah, so you can see that this report pulls call number title author and then it goes off the Library of Congress. Subject: headings in the sequel, you can see that it's searching just the 650 tag, 650 a or anything that looks like graphic novel and the percentage signs are wild cards, so don't grab anything if it's like in the middle of the phrase or at the end or something so so, I got 473 records there and I could just download this report and then copy this column and paste that into a list.

A

If I wanted to make a list of all.

D

A

Novels there in the chat, Jason.

B

Yep, we can only see the table of contents in the column manual.

A

That means I was saying the right screen. Okay, can you see the report now? Oh yeah, there we go all.

B

A

Okay, so the report gives you the columns you can see here. The code I was just talking about so it starts this. This report is just searching the 650 a for anything that looks like graphic novel and it's got those two wildcard symbols, so it'll grab anything grab it in any position of that field. So then, like I was saying, I could download this report copy all these, but biblio numbers out and then paste them into a list like that. Just showed us and I'll get this put.

H

It somewhere, where I can still harvest.

A

E

You could put that on the coho wiki Jason. That would also be lovely. Yes,.

A

E

A

E

Oh I didn't look, I do.

A

Have another one that I need to post up the George told me to post up and I haven't so if it's not there, I'll get it there. I always like forget my aunt I'm at home, I forget my wiki password. So.

A

And I posted it I just sent it to you. Didn't I, yeah, okay, there's the whole thing in for everybody all right. We don't.

H

Have graphic novels yet and.

A

You can, if you change just that last thing, you can make it a keyword search. So if you do you're hungry alligators, then you can search on whatever topic you want.

B

You yeah, do you want patrons to do it or do you want staff to create the list.

F

Can you see me I can't.

B

See you but I can hear you yeah.

F

What we only want a staff to do this? Okay, thank you.

A

I

A

While we're on the topic of Wis, does anybody else use Amazon cover images? We do I think so um in the South on your list and the OPAC. Are you getting cover cover images there I'm wondering if it's something I broke or if it's like an actual bug? Well,.

B

We only use Amazon covers in the internet and the staff and reckoning.

I

Staff plan yeah.

B

And then we use synthetics for the.

C

Let's see, no, we use Google for the patron side. It looks like Google covers.

A

Do you have cover images on your list with Google.

B

I've never broken in I.

C

Think we've probably all broken something at some point.

E

We use open library for our cover images and we have them on our list. So I'll put a link in the chat.

H

Well, I just tried to get to one of our lists and again a software here. Oh.

A

Maybe I'm not using what am I using oh.

A

I was using the. However, you say.

J

E

J

E

That to Jason and an Arthur, okay, all.

A

Right then, it's definitely something I broke myself. Okay,.

H

I got a list to come up, doesn't have any covers at all.

J

What's the issue in.

A

The OPAC I'm not getting cover images I'm on my list. I was trying to figure out if, if it was because I do have, some custom backs hello in there, but when I check that out, they still weren't showing I.

J

Don't remember if we have those.

A

Yeah I guess I can show you going to.

A

So there's a list lacking cover images but I do see an error inspector.

A

I'm guessing it's some sort of local Jacob here somewhere.

H

It looks like I broke, something.

A

But if not I guess I could try and replicate my exact settings on mastering if it does the same thing, I don't.

J

Have cover images on our lists either in the OPAC but I, don't think I, don't remember if we ever had.

H

Air vectors, but not the staff.

A

Yeah I think the I think.

J

I could also just be looking at listed, doesn't I.

A

Mean I was looking at Bugzilla earlier on this and adding, though images to a list and the staff client is still something that's being worked on. I.

H

Think this may have something to do with going from 1705 to 1911 when I moved the server from my cubicle to home.

F

Hey guys, I have a question for the image cover image when an important new record in some time they have an image. I, don't know, is maybe afford by default with Koha. They will have some image in there and some they don't so. I must like in last week, I load my own image to to create a one. So since I I was so happy because I created the first time just use the only image know who image and the success while I was really happy.

F

But one night look at some of our what title don't have image, but now they showing to science says no cover image twice used to be just once, but now, since I created a local, they showing another title without me me and showing twice I, don't know what went wrong because I mad I mean I, said I only preferred just no I said no matter boy image so supposed to even they showing no carbon emission supposed to be showing once, but they now showing twice so I'm, not sure I, explain myself, I think.

J

What you're describing is a bug where, if you have amazon images and google images turned on, and neither that has an image, you see the no image tag twice and the same thing will happen. I that might be what you're, what you've got going on. I'm, not sure I.

F

Think my setting the preference I said none of them I uh I'm the don't display I showing don t spray. Oh.

J

F

I saw I follow every those step, but since I add my local media now they showing twice with those without image and he shouldn't I said no cover image tries for that I wish I could share. You she'll share the screen, but I'm not sure I can share my stuff I.

J

Don't know about that, but I did find that bug. Jason 5 8 6 9, when I posted in the chat, their cozy image, is not learning for lists. That's the one and it's been Pat. It's passed you a like what a week ago, I.

H

Know when I set up our system I think it was 3.12 I had to Amazon and Google Images. So I was getting two covers. You.

J

Know I've done that if, if you, if you.

J

Let me find the system Pro.

H

I just searched system preferences were covered.

A

Is it in the staff, client or the OPAC, or both you get when you're saying.

F

Only you staff.

A

Yeah I have it hidden in that pack, but don't have any duplication in this staff.

A

It looks like George put in the to system preferences there to check those.

J

Are for Amazon coverages yeah Google's is Google jackets.

J

It actually, these all saying the distinguish between the only option: I see for adding images. A staffers, the Google cover Google jacket specifically says. Oh.

A

You can't turn it on and Cosi I. Don't know if that just always trickles down to Amazon, but it we don't have that one turned on post.

F

Mico see my intro intranet, a Cosi is enable an au-pair cozy's, enable in maya my preference, so.

A

That might be where the duplication is coming.

F

Read from somewhere said: don't shoot otherwise might be a Mata image. You know so.

H

There's an option that I haven't seen before this allowed multiple covers I haven't said: don't allow multiple images to be attached to each bibliographic record. You didn't mean what I think it means, which is. If you have Amazon cover and let's say Google jackets turned on, only one of them will display no.

E

I, don't think so, I think that's for being able to upload multiple images we use.

D

E

For multiple images and our settings seem to be the same as yours, you, young for don't show Amazon, don't show Google, but we have coatsy turned on and we do get in the staff. Client one no cover image available, even if there the cover, but we don't get to no covers I.

F

Got a two because that one says totally no image for the one has already imagine. The just saw that image writing.

F

Well, but that's far as a nice old pack doesn't show this I'm okay I just just see is anybody know oh I,.

E

Took a look and if we don't have a cover, cover image, we're also getting to know cover images in right.

F

E

Client same thing: okay,.

F

Yeah, maybe it is that box there yeah.

E

It's looking very bug like, let's see if there is something okay.

A

And I would guess, even if there's not a bug, there's probably away some jQuery wizard out there could hide one of those editions. So there's only one showing again, you could open a ticket with my water I'm sure Lucas could figure it out pretty fast.

J

A

Through my stuff.

J

Right now, because I'm kind of recollecting I might be done here, but there's so much.

A

But you can control F it now I'm so excited about that. What's control f in the in the previous upgrade you couldn't use control, F to search through your system preferences and so.

D

A

Would only search through what was on-screen so my jQuery, persistent preference is like 1600 lines and I couldn't find anything because I couldn't control F, but that works again. Yeah.

C

I would just copy it out into like sublime text and control if I.

A

Don't have to do that anymore, yep.

J

Okay, here's what I've got if you go to the system, preference, Internet user, CSS and add that bit of code that removes the know, image placeholders, that's what I! That's how I dealt with the problem? Apparently I. Just don't remember, dealing with the problem, but but apparently I did.

J

That just gets run all of those placeholders to say no image.

H

Default didn't panic if there is in the image, there's no place holder, I.

A

Don't think so because I have this CSS and myope access and preference, but that may be different now because I'm sure it's old CSS.

J

Yeah, if I comment out that CSS I get no coverage, no cover image, no cover image and duplicates tons and tons of duplicates so.

C

There is a book.

J

C

Very old about this, that has one comment and two three cc's from 2013.

E

That CSS is brilliant, I, just put it in our staff, client and I got rid of all our no cover images. Thank you. I.

J

Think you can think 2015 George, because that's that's all must have done that ages ago.

A

It does look like this. This bug is wouldn't fix it right. I mean it's discussing the exact issue that we're talking about yeah.

C

I'm checking to make sure there's not a newer duplicate that never got marked.

C

I'm not seeing anything so.

F

How do you do that? Just use George's cold to remove the image? How do you do that? Where do you put it.

E

Went to the system preference that he mentioned: intranet user CSS have.

J

The chat box opened I just pasted it into the chat box. Yeah.

F

I saw but I don't know where to put that. Okay.

J

So you want to go to.

C

J

Okay, there you're gonna show yes.

C

Raishin and then, if you just search for oh I, lost my chat box.

J

Internet users.

G

He made you write.

G

A

Like to just search user CSS in this one and then I.

F

A

At the same time, I can pick.

C

And then it's this one down here.

A

C

A

C

And then OPEC would be the patron side. Okay, cat I think you need to get off my desk now.

B

So, do you put it in between the curly brackets.

J

What you want to do is for.

A

Ya, the curly, the curly brackets contain the rule for that one specific class. It's.

B

There so as their curly brackets for each individual code, or is everything you have to fit within all codes have to fit within the curly brackets. No.

A

Each like each rule that you put forth is gonna, have its own curly brackets, so.

J

What I just put there in the chat box, if you start with the dot in front of no image, okay and copy everything.

F

J

Copy everything down to the second curly bracket, okay,.

F

Exactly what was that.

J

Just put into the screen there.

B

Yeah I got it to work thanks to urge of 2015.

J

But actually surprised that was that had to add that to that surprised, I didn't put it there. When I was there, it.

C

Was probably Georgia of 2016 sometime after you left with this at all, except for adding that circular I haven't taken anything out of the CSS taking plenty out of the jQuery, because some of it has been it's.

D

C

Working well so that's it just part of Koha. Now that you had written where things broke or things that we decided. We didn't need anymore and I, go back and add in like arrays to do things and put more lines in new things to break in the future.

I

C

So if there's not a cover, if if it hides this, then when you do a catalog search, if before hearing me.

C

Because I think DVDs are pretty much the only thing we don't have colored images for so it just shows like that. We only get one. Does it look way different.

C

J

Just collapses that column collapse.

C

If there's absolutely no right but I bet, if you do like Percy Jackson and the Olympians and don't put DVD oh yeah,.

B

How about Percy Jackson.

B

C

Have so many different records because the school's capable in them on different records so just come up with okay yeah there we go yeah, so I think I like that I wonder if anyone will notice if I just don't.

J

C

We also have a systems meeting like next week, so I might just see if anyone says anything that I'll beat I'll just say yeah we were playing around and I'll check with them, then about it make sure no one's upset at me. I also.

J

Have this in here, which limits the width of an image.

J

That way, it seems like we had an issue where I guess that's if you're using the Cosi server.

J

Sometimes the images are like this wide and sometimes they're this wide, and sometimes are this tall sometimes they're this tall, especially the ones from open library, they're not consistent in size, but if you tell it to constrain the width and the maximum width they can be and what I put that in 100 pixels, then it gives it a lot more for MIDI, because some of the ones, particularly from open library they're, like you know, they're, like you know, a quarter of the screen wide and I- think that that was why I put that in there I am got all the stuff.

J

That's not documented and I don't remember dealing. So that's. Actually one of my projects on doing projects is to document the things that I've done so.

B

So I have a stupid question to ask what is cozy cost I knew that was customers of Searcy Dynex and court international, but the.

J

Cosy server is the thing by water has one and what it does. Is it caches the URLs for images.

J

Let me I think if you do a search for system preferences for Co, see there's one whole spell Co see.

B

C

Looks like it looks at Amazon, Google and Open Library and finds the best match. Yes,.

J

And so the the first thing you have to do is set the system. Preference called cozy host and my water has a cozy server at that location.

J

Yeah anybody can use it.

A

We won't tell on you, I mean Mitch's here he might on you, but.

J

We want to good oh yeah,.

A

J

Don't think they have a way to block it from.

J

Just impossible, but what it does is, if you said, cozy providers is the next preference and you can choose Amazon, and so what it does is when Kohala modes, a record, I love or shouting the box across the whole disease.

J

So what it does is when you search for a record yet grabs the ISBN number from that record, it sends it to the cose server and the coast and asks the question in a cozy server.

J

Do you have a link to a cover image from Amazon, Google or Open Library, and if the cozy server does instead of going and doing the search at Amazon or going doing a search at Google for doing doing the searched over library, it just grabs the link from the cozy server, so it makes loading the images faster and it also has the advantage of even turn on Amazon Google library.

J

If the amazon doesn't have an image, then it looks at Google and if Google doesn't have an image that looks the open library, but it doesn't do it anymore. It just gets the first one it can find.

J

So this way you know if we've got what I found when I turn it on is. There were a lot of books where Amazon didn't have a copy of the Google da, and then there were a lot of covers where Amazon and Google, though it meant, we got more images for our mothers than just using Amazon, then just using water, the disadvantage I've found. We have a lot of records where somebody will buy.

J

Somebody will buy this book and they will add a record in our system if you buy the trade paperback that goes along with this. You know the same whatever this is Heartland by the same author. If you buy the trade paperback, we don't create a second record.

J

Somebody will just have the ISPs from the the trade size paper back to the same record, and so we have a lot of books on securing older books where there's like 10 ISBN numbers on, and sometimes the ISBN number that gets sent to coastal server will grab the wrong image.

J

It'll leave a wrong ISBN or it'll be from an old Edition that has a different cover and so then you're getting then they're in these weird situations and, of course, they're always the situations where you have an image that amazon has the correct color image for the book, but Google has it seems, like we had a dr. Seuss book that was coming up here. Something the cover image was completely wrong on for that book and then I get all these calls from librarians. You have to fix that. It's like I can't fix it.

J

The best I can do is you know, try and switch the order of the ISBN numbers and figure out which one is giving us.

J

H

And which example, would it be to respond the bright cover image or if it's a local one? How often does that happen? It is so completely.

J

Different, you can add, local coverage is just like in you know. If you want to add a local cover image, you can do that anytime once and then how much of a pain.

H

Would it be to what you might end up.

J

With us to cover images, it seems like I might I might have been working on code at some point.

J

Yeah I was working at something at one point where there was a local cover image and a remote cover image that it wouldn't display the other one. But then I stopped working when.

A

We don't run across one. We don't run across that problem too often, but usually I made me cover your ears out. There I usually just tell my librarians to cancel the ISBN so move it down to the subfield Z and that'll. Stop it from from pulling the wrong image. It won't pull the right image, but it will at least not pull the wrong image. Well, that's actually. That's.

E

Actually, a pretty good solution, because the ice beam then is still perfectly searchable and preserved in record. Even though the Sun feels I mean.

J

It looks like it worked.

J

Or the no cover images.

J

And I agree: nobody misses the.

J

Least, I've never had anybody say.

E

Yeah I think it's a it's sort of a cleaner, less cluttered display to not have that little no.

G

Coverage no combination.

J

I've never thought of the possible yeah I could have it linked to another image.

A

C

You guys seem that someone does have that I. Think someone showed it off in like not as part of a presentation, but just they were doing a presentation and their local cover image was or their no cover. Image was different.

C

E

Had be fun to have ours, be something like scan a cover image and send it to Heather.

F

One of my manager, holiday I, create this local image because he emailed me about a new book and he attached. The image is that me he's an email around page 56 and he said this is a new book. Please put the image there and can you do it by 9:30.

F

Okay, I said I, don't know because I never did an old playmate yeah I said if they come with the image. Certainly I can get a very quick, but Wow I will put a big happy record in the system. What I was thinking? How to add the image you provide anyway, I figure out how?

F

Because, like a broad and the mystery, he changed into all preference anyway. I.

F

Would have preferred she said? Okay, you do that as soon as possible. You said it thirty, five, nine, nine.

B

Thirty yeah.

H

Once I taking a picture of the cover, my phone, sending it to my computer edit, taking it a little bit and using that as a cover image, it's one of our most popular things.

I

J

Actually, I saw a bug that Christopher Brannan filed saying that there should be a way to to add a cover image with the front. There should be something interface for specifically doing.

I

B

Is really handy because, like we had a laptop lap and I just took a picture of the, you know, cart with the doors open, so people could see there's laptops in there and adding a local cover rooms. It really does have them good things like that, or you know, items that aren't in OCLC or something.

C

E

We end up adding a lot of local cover images, because our collection is so much older and, and we also try to add them to open library, they won't match cuz. These items are too old to have a nice bin, but still it gets the cover image out there for other people. So.

C

Yeah Christopher I just put the book in the chat capture cover image via webcam, which I think. Theoretically, the way the webcam thing is working should work with a built-in webcam like off built-in camera on a phone just like it would work with a webcam on a computer.

C

So that would be helpful, I think Oh.

A

Also, on the subject of cover images, Owen showed us what he was working on. Do you remember what bug that was? Was that.

F

A

A

C

The email handy and she had it.

A

Looks pretty nifty, it's like a drag-and-drop like you drag your image in.

C

Just a little 7 second video.

C

For drag and drop files to add to a cover image as a local cover image, if.

D

You say, drag and.

A

D

I keep thinking dropping.

A

C

And that's for bug to 500 to 5.

A

And top brought up at that discussion also, wouldn't it be cool if we had just like a little built-in editor for the images at that point where you could like flip and rotate, do simple things there. So maybe.

C

Crop a little bit in case there is like whitespace.

C

J

Don't know this seems too soon.

A

Okay, are there other things you guys want to talk about other questions. You've got a one came.

H

Up I haven't spent a lot of time trying to figure to help myself, but if anyone think oh yes, of course, see I've got a server at home.

D

H

Running a co installation on.

H

Virtualbox and when I was trying to figure out what circuit had blown in my basement, I hit the circuit, breaker and accidentally turned off the server, and now it's back and the VirtualBox image is running, but I can't log into it, because the two passports I have are usernames and passwords. Let me up so.

I

Is there a way to create.

H

Another user and password from the command line.

A

You are you talking, you can't login to qohor. You can't log into the box at all, see.

H

I think I could run into log into the virtual box, but I can't log in to the KOA systems. You.

A

H

A

To access the password and the username right, yeah.

C

I, don't remember what cuz I had this problem last time, I got a death box running was then when I went back to it, I'd set not a normal, not something that I have used before or remembered for the password I.

C

Think there's something you can do in like once you SSH into the dev box.

C

I'm not on my cheat sheet.

H

There's the command for you, the password to do Cola underscore and then the instance name that.

C

H

Wiping out the weeks and weeks of everything it's been putting several million I.

A

Think that's what I always thinking I've been all it does is just it hones in on the password. That's in the file I'll.

H

Make a copy of the VirtualBox file.

H

J

That's why everybody's password should just be one two, three four I.

A

Thought you were.

C

Absolutely sore like 30.

A

Character, passwords or something and that's.

J

The development that I've got that's in the works is to allow.

J

You just set password length and password complexity on a patriot category by patron category basis, because we have many libraries where they don't want.

J

We I have enough libraries that don't want super complex patron passwords, because their patrons are never going to remember and it's hard when you're in a small library and somebody and you're creating a card for somebody to say. Okay, what do you want your password be and to have that discussion across the counter that doesn't work so most of our libraries, their password is like the last four digits or their phone number or the left, their last name or whatever. You know it's something that they're gonna.

J

Be it's going to be easy to remember, but then for staff that, because all of that set globally it's it means that staff have the same password strengths and limitations as patrons. So the reason that I respond that we sponsored this development is so that I can say if we gotta get the agent category, his library associate, I want to make the passwords 15 characters. Long and I want to force the complex password analysis and that development I signed off on and then Phil Andrews still working there. It should be.

J

You know, there's like three four months left. It shouldn't 21.

B

J

Know if it helps.

B

But the libraries that don't want to discuss the pin I could totally understand you could either have them, write it down or we just got a tin pin. You know USB keyboard and we say: okay, you know they click it. The staff clicks in the box and said okay put in your PIN and then they click in the next box. Put in your PIN ya know. That's.

J

Not a bad idea, it's hard to implement yeah.

B

It's like a low-tech solution, but yeah possibility and it only works for you know ten key, you know break digits if that's their cup of tea.

J

We have a different.

I

J

Doing a bunch of different stuff, one of them uses the left, the name of the town that they're in a bunch of them used the patrons last name, a bunch of them years. Last four years, just a phone number, there's all kinds of that's the problem with having 51 completely different libraries. We have different governing boards and different levels of staff, knowledge and ability. So.

H

Everyone's seen, the xkcd cartoon about passwords I put the link.

B

An interesting one, I.

A

Thought I don't know if I stole that from somebody or no I guess I can show you.

A

So online I have this like random button. Little random. We generate a password or it'll pull information from different areas, which is what I use Wow.

J

It's very similar to what I've got yeah.

A

Okay, so I stole it from George.

D

A

D

A

The code for the random button from the actual change- your password randomizer here, yeah.

J

A

Stole that I mean obviously that moved it over to the other page. We also.

C

We set our passwords by default based on a certain part of information, but we let patrons change their passwords now, yeah and so on. The Edit screen only on the Edit screen. We have a button that sets it back to the default.

C

That's like I are also harvested that cook from George. What.

J

What all of our libraries do is they say your default password? Is you know whatever the default password is and when you get home you should log in and the change it because they all can change their passwords. But no, there are certain talents where, if you find a library card in the street just take it home type in the cardinal bird, in the name of that town and you're in hoopla.

A

J

H

Although I stayed out on flipster.

J

H

Thing I set up for a user just always mid star one. The capital in and number one I say: I change. This.

J

D

H

A

Okay, well we're at an hour. We did our due diligence I. Think if there's nothing else, anybody wanted to talk about I'll get this recording posted up on the YouTube channel.

E

Thank you, everyone. It was really useful. Yeah everyone.