Koha-US SIG - Web Dev Special Interet Group, 20 Jan 2022

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00:21:01 George Williams - NEKLS: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8838
00:26:38 Jason Robb (SEKLS): https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26440
00:42:02 Lucas Gass: /api/v1/.html
00:46:34 Lucas Gass: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29571

A

All right welcome everybody. This is the january 2022 web. That meeting for co-us and barbara's going to show us some cool stuff.

B

Well, maybe so this is based on um some code from northwestern hills, public library in texas.

B

It's a fancy, whole pickup notice using html, and we kind of copied what they did and let me see if I can bring this up.

B

So, do you see a pretty notice.

C

I see a pretty cool lotus.

B

So I just used what they had and kind of substituted in. um You know our logo obviously and kind of used their language, and then um we decided we wanted to. They had links to facebook and some other stuff we decided to put in links to our facebook and instagram the middle one here is: takes you to log into your account uh to the events calendar and then not that anybody will ever do it, but a big old little money bag that goes to our donate page, which nobody ever does donate, but we thought hey.

B

Maybe if you stopped in the notice, you might wonder what that is and then contact information and then the you know why you're receiving this notice, stuff and so far it seems to be working. Fine, um I have placed numerous holds for myself and you know gotten it back and it looks good.

B

So my issue is see.

B

So if I go into a patron record and go into their notices tab and then view it here, I know what your issue is going to be. It looks all you know like that, and I tried to do some things but nothing's I can. I can't seem to target anything and it's in an iframe.

C

We're still seeing.

C

Whenev, the the html, the the page that presents the notices, always uh I think it adds its own html into what you're seeing there and it messes everything up.

B

So, do you see it now.

C

Yeah, it doesn't look, doesn't look as good.

B

Yeah, it doesn't look as nice.

C

The notices never look as nice in that page.

B

And so is there anything that can be done about it.

D

That's a development question: it's pretty tricky because that page is gonna. It's gonna apply its own css from that page too. I don't know if there's any way to say turn that off.

C

Yeah, just for that frame, I don't know if there's a way to do that, to.

B

B

It adds well, that's not where I was looking somewhere. It adds all of these breaks here. It is page breaks all this stuff and.

B

Like here, it's adding breaks that aren't actually in my html, you know so it's just it's adding in stuff from its own thing, I guess.

C

Yeah, that's exactly what's happening, it's the other, css and and rules that are applied to this uh notices. Dot pl page are being applied to the to all of the elements of the page, including the ones that you don't want. It applied to.

B

And it also not that I know anything, but I I knew it was in an iframe, so I saw this iframe and it's um somewhere else. I saw that it was like iframe equal text or it had something like that in it. So that made me feel, like you know, it's it's looking at it as just strict text.

B

And then, if you can't do anything to it, then I guess my question would be: if you're allowed to create a notice and have it be html then doesn't it seem like you would want to be able to have it displayed that way here.

C

That would be ideal, but I don't, I can't think of a of a good way to do that.

C

I think lucas is I hear typing so I think he's.

D

Thinking about.

C

D

Yeah, I'm just kind of poking around um one, I'm wondering where those, because I'm guessing you flagged it as an html notice, yeah.

B

D

It didn't display correctly and you're not putting those breaks in there yourself. So I wonder if um wondering if it's also um like honoring white space, um which, if so, something maybe to try- and I do this in- like overdue notices and stuff from time to time when it honors all the white space, is minimizing your html.

B

Yes, I remember that from when we worked on our overdue notice.

D

Right right, I may try that which you can just google html minimizer, there's a ton of them out there. It just shrinks your code down, makes it really hard to edit, but you can also then write google like a html beautifier when you need to edit it right and get your formatting back.

B

D

Try, but that's not going to help with if, if css from this page notices.pl is being applied, it's going to try to apply it to elements inside of your notice. I don't know if there's anything that could be done about that.

B

So does anybody think I don't know how it would happen, but would you think that it's a good idea to like file a bug to say if you have html notices, then this page should.

D

B

D

It couldn't hurt to see what some folks would say.

B

One thought I was having and not that I know the architecture of any of this but like if the notice is an html notice, instead of like displaying it here in the iframe, have like an extra button or something that you click on to bring it up in a modal or something like that. You know to have a different way of displaying.

D

That's not a! I could see that it's like. If, if you look at the news um feature now, and we show the preview of that html content in a modal, so maybe something similar.

D

Which could also actually be nice for just readability of your notices as you scroll down there, and you have to look at big section of html it's kind of awkward.

D

Maybe if you had to click a button and pop up at a model, it would make this table much more much nicer, looking easier to read.

A

And you have to click anyways to pop open the notice. So it's right.

B

A

Clicking a button instead of clicking the link.

B

C

I guess the advantage I see to having it laid out in the table like this is, if you pop open all those windows and you're searching for something in particular like I've, I've got patrons that'll have like you, know, 200 notices and, if you're trying to find one thing, if you pop open like 10 of them and then do a search uh like a firefox control, f search, um you can find things that way and you would lose that ability.

C

If everything was in you know, if you, if you had to open each one in a separate model, you would lose that and that's something that you know. We have a lot of patrons with a lot of stuff checked out a lot get a lot of notices.

C

So that would be a problem, especially for the hold available notice, because um those aren't digestible right that that to me would be a a bigger feat, would be making the whole notices digestible, because you know um that might not be such a big issue in a library like barbers, where there's only one branch or a couple of branches.

C

But when we have, you know courier delivering boxes full of stuff and then things get checked in and you'll have a patron that'll have like 10 items, get checked in all at the same time and then they 15 minutes later they get 10 hold available notices all at once.

B

So we have our specific patrons that are like that and they'll have 10 things and they'll get it all at once and we've had some complaints. You know about that. So we'd like a whole digest notice, yeah.

C

But that's a different issue, so yeah.

A

I think on this: if you file a bug, maybe the suggestion would be to not change anything. That's going on here, but add another column like the preview content, column and news, so you can also see it rendered in a modal or or have it delayed.

B

Add another column.

B

A

To how the news renders html content.

B

Thanks and then the other just weird display thing, which I'm sure it's all, because this is html, but I have a report that is recently sent whole notices and so here's my pretty notice and then the rest of the table, cuts off and here's the rest and then the rest of them go down the page and display like.

B

And it's not that I use this report much. But that was interesting that it and it could be something about my html, I'm not the best and I could be missing something or I may not have it constructed the best. But that was kind of interesting. When I ran that report.

C

Yeah any anything like that, um I have a report that generates.

C

The output is the in includes any output that includes things like uh like. If you put the uh uh do a report, that's gonna output, the uh intranet user js data into the results of a report that just blows apart the whole page, because it's trying to run all that uh js um with html with my notices. What I do is um I tell it to replace the um the left angle bracket with a different uh with.

C

With the uh html code for left angle brackets, so that it it displays as as html as raw html instead of rendered html.

C

But I don't know what your goal is with this report just to.

B

It was just after I partly I created it because during testing I wanted to see what was going on and because I needed to actually send notices.

B

I was wondering how many poor people I might be affecting with really awful content if it wasn't working correctly, so I was doing it in little. You know send one to my husband. This is his and then put the code back. You know, and I just wanted to see what all was going on. So I mean I may not even use this much, but.

C

Uh-Huh, well, I think it looks great. You know, I think the result for your borrowers is gonna is gonna, be you know, really cool, looking email that they're gonna ignore they ignore the they norm, no matter how they look, but uh but it looks great so it looks very professional.

B

That's what we were after we, we had had a presentation called a third party vendor about all the cool things they can do to connect with your patrons. However, their cost for what they want is not something we can do.

A

B

We started looking at what could we come up with on our own? The next one I think we're going to try to do is to take the. um I think. It's the account details notice, which we don't actually use.

B

Everybody here self registers, so you come into the library we take you to a computer and we tell you to fill out the form and then come back to the desk with your id and all of that, so we don't actually send out that sort of default form that says: here's your number and here's your password and because that's not going to be true for them right, but I was thinking of taking that and replacing it and making it like a welcome message and have it also be. You know pretty like this, so we'll see.

C

It's making me want to up my game with notices, because that really does look good.

B

Thank you one other weird thing I encountered and I'm assuming it's because of creating this notice.

B

Because of the timing.

B

B

This report is notice is not sent to patrons.

B

And it used to come up with the patron name and it was an overdue too, and you know blah blah blah and now, when I check it all I ever see is this and I'm.

D

Not sure why what column is that that's content.

B

Yeah, so I don't, I don't know if it's connected, because the whole pickup stuff never showed in here. It was always like an overdue, um a second notice that kind of stuff, but this happened after I started doing the other notice.

B

B

It's always interesting to me how interconnected everything is, and you change one thing and you don't think it's going to affect something else and then.

B

So I'll probably put in a ticket on that one because I don't know what's going on there.

D

Some kind of it's it's, it's wrongly encoding, something you.

B

B

So that's all I had.

C

I put a link in the chat box to the uh somebody should make the whole notices digestible uh bug.

C

I don't know if anybody else here signed off or added there plus one to that, but I think it would be a great thing to.

C

It would certainly solve a lot of problems for us.

C

This isn't. uh I have an issue that I discovered, uh after our upgrade, that I haven't submitted a bug about yet because I've been trying to isolate it, um but it's it's uh something that might be worth talking about here.

C

Let me share my screen screen number two. So you should see koha right, eddie, frosty. All right, so he's got two things checked out.

C

This one has been renewed three times: it's uh not renewable, because um because it's been renewed too many times, but I also have placed an item level hold on it, and so, if I go to override that, it's giving me the uh override checkbox, which shouldn't be there because it has a hold on it. But then, when I renew it it we get this spin and then it says renew failed and as soon as that table finishes reloading, the message is gone.

C

And so I've uh I'm talked in my regular call with margaret yesterday. I mentioned this since our upgrade.

C

And I this is on my test server, which is a lot slower than our production server on our production server. It happens so quick that you never even can really see what that message says and so, uh and so I'm trying to figure out a way to either make that message last longer until we can figure out if this is a bug or if it's something else, um so I don't know, does anybody have any ideas there?

C

I haven't checked it yet to see if it. uh If you know I I haven't uh done anything with this one to see this is a title level hold because before lunch, I just finished eating my lunch that I started working on this, but I I don't know if, if I.

C

So I suspended the whole that title level hold and let me renew this now.

C

So now I'm getting that not renewable message.

C

Let me unsuspend that hold.

C

Yeah, it's going to do the same thing renew failed on hold and then that just disappears instantly.

C

So that's what I've been working on today.

C

I haven't gotten very far yet there was other issues today, so I think it might be that.

A

But where it's it's giving priority to the not renewable message instead of the on-hold message.

C

Yeah, I think that's it.

C

I'll send this all to to buy water I'll open an rt ticket to make sure they can confirm that it's this bug, that's causing it.

C

That was my first phone call that we did our upgrade on on sunday, and that was my first phone call tuesday morning was. I tried to renew this and it's not letting me renew, and I don't know why.

C

In our production system, that message is there for like less than a tenth of a second, it's so fast that you can't. Even you can just tell that, says something different there and it's gone.

C

Now we are talking a bunch today. huh I guess the other thing that I did that uh recently that I've done with every upgrade is I redid all my jquery for for the circulation find rules.

C

For my code that hides columns and shows columns and all that.

D

C

The upgrade break it, the upgrade, always breaks it. Whenever there are more columns added to that circulation matrix, then I have to go in the thing that was weird this time that was took some extra work. Was this uh header along here when you scroll up and down it, it's sticky, and so, if I do this to show the columns the full width it, uh I had to add some extra code to make sure that that header would be sticky in the right place.

D

I think um a good bug to maybe file if it's not out there already is to make those that circulation table column configurable through the.

C

D

C

Yeah, that would be that would save a lot of problem that would save a lot of work every time.

B

C

um What I have I've had this code around for a long time.

C

um I just have jquery that creates these. Oh and I guess that doesn't yeah there we go hide column is stuff that I wrote, but I guess it's not sticky in the right place. Is it it's a little off.

A

This reminds me I was supposed to report about sticky screwy uh table headers um christopher, and I talked about a little bit but like I can show you what it's doing on.

A

So you see bonnie the dog. Is that what's visible, I'm I'm, I shrink the window here, so you can see what it does uh so.

A

On the checkout screen, if I scroll down the sticky happens, if I switch to a different tab, our clubs tab is really long because we're using that a lot, then the the cirque header decides to overlap into it um and it just like keeps on adding stuff depending on what loads.

A

um So the the whole table were long enough to scroll.

A

Then I don't know it's weird. The sticky headers are weird. um I haven't had any complaints about it. It's not like christopher, had more complaints about it, so he wrote some jquery to break it. um I told him that I would tell you lucas that we were also experiencing that problem and I never got around to it.

D

Yeah now that you say I think uh christopher mentioned that to me at some point: do we know if there's a bug filed on that? I.

A

Don't know he may have filed one.

C

I don't know if there is or not, but the sticky headers are weird is a great title for a bug.

A

um Yeah, I didn't see anything there under sticky header. My my bug, zillow searching, hasn't been great.

D

Lately, though, those data tables the reason they're sticky is because of that bug, you're looking at right, there 27403 enable fixed header for data tables.

A

um Yeah what else I had another question?

A

Oh um I'm already sure I've been playing with the abi endpoints and I keep meaning to open a ticket. But since you're here lucas I'll just ask you, I have to find a window. I want to share.

A

That's this one isn't it. I call us website.

C

A

So this is a dumb example, um but I was playing with it here. The I was trying to add subtitles to the hold queue which it already has. It doesn't always come through because the the records are old and it hasn't populated into the subtitle field. So like this one is pulling we're.

D

Still seeing quahog.

A

D

A

Oh, my screen sharing has paused how about now hold q. There we go. Yep holds queue all right, so um this one I'm pulling that subtitle the 245b from the api. um This one doesn't have a 245b, so I'm getting undefined errors and that's the main issue. I've been having with it like anytime. I try and pull something.

A

um I'm getting undefined errors if the subfield isn't populated for a given record, um so I was wondering if there's like an easy way to rule those out right now. I think, for my series searching all I've done is like waited for the page to load and then hidden anything that says undefined.

C

I guess my question is: isn't can't you ask bywater to do something so that the uh older records that don't have the 245 populated into the subtitle field so that those get populated.

A

Yeah, that's why this is a dumb example. Okay, so um the real example is our series searching. So I've got this um set up where it looked at the the 490 v, um the 490 av and then the 440 av, and that works for the most part. But if I get to a point where there's something that doesn't have a v in either the 490 or the 440, then it shows the series number is undefined.

A

I think a jquery.

D

Way to fix that is.

D

Is just some pretty simple if statements you just like to get it to stop saying undefined, you just have to say like uh if the 440a.

D

Then append it to the results. Summary. Okay does that, if that makes sense,.

A

Yeah that makes sense.

D

But is th this.

D

I mean you're you're on 2105 now.

A

Right right, yeah um yeah, so I guess it's also a dumb example. So the the series uh information has been built into the the default xslt, but the way that it traces is unfavorable to my catalogers um like if there's 800 fields, then it'll it'll search the the author and the title, um and we just want that to be a straight title, search every time. You click on it, and this this accomplishes that um so I don't have to use xslt for that anymore.

D

Yeah then, I think just everywhere, where you have those insert before before you do the insert before just do a check on if the 490v or, if the 440a or each one, so it will never return uh undefined cool.

A

I'll play with that.

A

What else have been here anything else we can talk about while I'm screen sharing.

B

Well, I was wondering what else you can use that is it called api endpoint? Is that what you said.

A

B

Else or what other ideas are there for you know using that that would be. I don't know.

A

I mean I've always heard about.

B

When it came about that, you know about series, but I just wondered.

A

I'm I was using it for this and I'll probably go back to using it for this right now. This is pulling from a report, but, and it anywhere you want to pull information from the record where it's not already there. It's really handy um those are the only two two or three places I've used it so far.

D

It's nice, if you uh with the biblio endpoint, which is unauthenticated now meaning we can use it on the opec.

D

Without the user being logged in, we can basically grab any piece of mark and add it anywhere we want, so it can be pretty handy and avoid uh something I really don't like is a custom xslt.

D

So um if you can use jquery to put a piece of info on your opec or staff client, that is not there by default.

A

I can share that. um I did use it in the opac, so I think it's only active on my test server right now. Maybe.

A

So these icons here, I I was able to put in based on mark data. um Let me see if I'm lying, if it's actually using the api, but I did figure out how to do it with the api. So I think that I have it working in my test server. I just haven't put it on my live server, yet um yeah right there, the 07 icons via the api, so looking at different parts of the 007 and then, if it finds the right combination for a certain format, so vds is blu-ray.

A

Vdv is dvd and vhs is vfb so anytime it finds that combination in the record. Then it appends an icon um that I created. So it's easy for the patron to see exactly what what they're looking at so they don't accidentally put a hold on a dvd instead of a blu-ray or something like that.

D

And 007 is that you looking at the leader.

A

No, not the leader, I forget what the what they call it. Those catalog reverse um physical description, so uh on a dvd blu-ray whatever. If the cataloging's right it'll have a specific sequence of letters, yeah.

D

A

Represent so that's what I'm leveraging there nice.

C

Yeah the big caveat there is if the cataloging is right.

A

Yeah and and my catalogers have gotten in the habit of actually going to the opac and like watching the new stuff come in there, and then they can see if the icon doesn't pop up and no they'll know that it needs fixed, which.

C

Are catalogers.

A

C

Think that the 007 is actually hidden from the framework.

A

In ours, oh yeah, by our catalogers, I mean the people sitting over there across the room, not not our librarians yeah and we don't have any of those here. So.

D

Okay, can you guys see my screen now yeah, so just barbara? Maybe this is helpful too. If you append this part to your opac or your your staff, client url, um you will get a bunch of information about all the different api, endpoints and their paths and if you click on them, sort of how they work.

D

If you look for the ones that say public there's only a couple, these are the ones that are unauthenticated routes that we could write, jquery, that for the opec um that anybody will be able to see those sort of pieces of information, um the other ones they're great for doing jquery stuff in the staff client, because you're always authenticated.

B

I'll take a look at that thanks.

D

I'll put this in the just: all you got to do is append that little thing.

D

And there's more and more and more all the time, I'm I think uh tomas is working on one for messaging preferences.

D

Which will be extremely useful.

A

Yeah, I'm I'm really enjoying the like. It's like opens up a whole new world of customization, um like I keep coming back to things that I couldn't do before that, I'm like oh wait. I can do that now, like all I have to do, is use the attack or that so um that might be a good use for this group is to start collecting, extended, uses or new things, we're doing with it to try and generate more ideas.

D

Yeah and there's more to than just like getting info. If you look at that screen, I just shared you'll, see a lot of them will say that they're they're get so you can get data, but you'll also see post, meaning you can like api v1 quotes post, meaning you can write your query to add a quote to renew stuff delete is in there too. So there's a whole bunch of stuff. You can do a little dangerous. In fact, yeah.

A

I was gonna say that sounds kind of dangerous.

A

Oh, I guess I could mention completely unrelated at acquisitions. I had brought up an issue with purchase suggestions, um so in the upgrade it changed the display. So you, the library, see how many purchase suggestions they have on the home page now, uh which is great, um but if they don't have any pending suggestions, then that link goes away entirely, which has confused some of my people because that's how they get to the purchase suggestions area.

A

um So um it's a training issue because I know there's a link in the header, but um I also wrote some jquery to just since. That's all we use acquisitions, for I just swapped out the acquisitions link on the home page for paid or purchase suggestions. um So.

D

D

I think there's a bug.

A

So that used to say acquisitions- and I just changed it- I haven't launched that into my livestream either, but um there is a bug for that.

D

If I'm understanding you correctly it's to do with suggestions and if your branch has any suggestions or not yeah.

A

Here I can actually show you exactly what I'm talking about. Let me if I can manage screens again, so this library has suggestions. So it's got seven variable 70 total for all libraries. If I set my library to one, that's just got um that doesn't have any then that link goes away entirely.

A

So um that was the what was causing the confusion. Now that link's not there anymore, which makes sense because I don't have any pending, but it also doesn't make sense because they don't have access to the total.

C

For the they've never had to get to purchase suggestions any other way than just clicking that link right, and so they don't know how to get there.

A

Even though we have this very handy thing that I've never gotten rid of there's a dot there that takes you to purchase suggestions in my live site. I inherited that and I never heard of it, but there's also a suggestion for you.

A

So I'm gonna quietly do away with that dot someday. I just haven't decided the right time.

C

During an upgrade is the perfect time that's the way I did. I call it stealth upgrades where you just change something on the system with jquery or css on the night that you do an upgrade and then you just tell everybody, that's part of the upgrade rather than a bug patch yep somebody fixed that bug. So it's not there anymore.

D

I think that um that bug is fixed by the one I I just linked in chat 29571, which will make that link show if there's any suggestions, system wide and it'll show your library has zero, but there's seven for the system.

A

Yeah, that's kind of how I thought it should work. So I wasn't. I looked at that where they pushed in the future and it didn't seem like anybody tested uh the scenario where the library doesn't have any suggestions. So I wondered if it was.

D

Just overlooked and that fixed is pushed for 21.0508, which for bywater partners I think, means next week. Don't quote me on that, but it's soon oh cool, then I'll.

A

Just keep ignoring the problem and not worry about this extra jquery.

C

I think it's I think 210508 is really soon because we were just upgraded last weekend and that's what we're on.

C

Is 2105.08? Oh you you're already on it. Yeah.

A

Now we're on note 7, I just looked so.

C

That's the benefit of upgrading last.

B

Yeah we're on 08.

A

Well now, I just feel behind.

C

Hey you're on you're on double-oh-seven man, that's cool.

D

I suppose it's worth mentioning here. um uh I I just met earlier this week with a contingent of support companies me from bywater, as bible biblis dennis beer had a 2205 um staff, client redesign, um so we'll see where that goes the initial meeting uh this week, um but they have some big plans for for redesign on the staff client.

C

D

That that I I don't sense, enthusiasm.

C

I'm not enthusiastic about anything right now. It sounds like a lot of extra work.

A

Yeah, that's scary, um but I I mean it'll be good, it's just usually upgrades are minor and our libraries don't notice most of the changes and, if you're, making large cosmetic changes to the staff client, they will they won't like it until they get used to it.

D

um Yeah but we'll see where it goes. I think it's very very difficult to get things through the community that make large large changes, even if they're cosmetic, if we're moving pieces around that's gonna.

C

D

C

I I described I described one time to somebody that uh this is back when I was still in idaho. I said you know when you, I don't remember what it was. Something had moved from like here to here.

C

It moved like this far across the page. During an upgrade and uh my staff at the circulation desk in moscow were like you know, this is the end of the world. Would just shoot me, I'm sick! All these changes. You know. How am I supposed to find this? It's all the way over there and then, like two days later, was like how's that going now it's like. Oh, I don't even notice anymore, so they scream at the universe. Why, god? Why is it changed? And then, two days later, they don't even remember that.

C

There's a change so.

A

Do you know if it's is it going to make like the staff client more responsive? I know it's not very fun to try and fumble around the staff client on a mobile device.

D

We talked about that briefly, actually and kind of the consensus was like. We don't think that people use the staff client from their mobile device, although I think maybe maybe tablets sometimes.

A

D

For maybe for certain like circulation functions, looking at your holds cube stuff like that yeah.

C

But uh for I've used tablets uh when I was at a library where I did reference, you can walk around the library and you know, interact with people and and have the top to have the the catalog right there. In your hand, my dodo brain.

A

um Thing is when I go out to train libraries. I have to sometimes adjust their permissions, and so I'm trying to do that on my phone instead of a computer when I could just like push them aside and log in on my own account, but um trying to change permissions on my phone is not not a good good thing to do anyways, um but that's where my brain went was like it's not. It would be nice if I could.

D

Yeah there's certain staff client pages I could see- would be a nightmare for I'm thinking of circumfine.

D

C

That wouldn't work on your phone, no, that that bear. I I have uh you know three screens and the table stretches from the left side of this screen to the you know, just to the edge of the third screen a little bit over. If it's fully blown out all the way so and it's gotten bigger, you know there's at least 10 more columns on there than there were when I started with co-op and just well. That's I guess: that's uh one a year, one new column a year.

D

Yeah, it's a that's an area where you're always adding columns, probably very rarely but taking them back.

C

I can't think of one column: that's ever been removed from that yeah yeah, I'm just thinking about this. This is in april, it'll, be 10 years that I've been using quahog.

A

Wow we did, we have been talking about at the consortium group. Maybe we need a separate rules table for or a separate the admin page for holds right yeah. So we could take some columns out of this recline rules table and put them in some sort of hold policy rules table yeah well,.

D

There was a circuit finds page rewrite at one point bug out there. I think it lost any traction.

C

Not yours george, it is, it is uh nichols paid for that and it was um in development when I got here and one of the reasons it's lost traction is because I feel like I don't have any stake in it. You know it was all ideas that somebody else had and a lot of some of them were ideas that I didn't necessarily like or agree with, and so I don't really push hard on it, and so consequently, not a lot of work gets done on it. So.

A

Yeah, it's hard to wrap your head around how that could be laid out differently. Anyways.

D

Yeah and all the I think, ideas have been that great. You can go from a y column wide page to a long.

C

Page that was exactly the issue I had is the way heather wanted it. Heather heather was the person before me and essentially, what she wanted done was to take it from something. That's like five miles wide to have it being something that's five miles tall and one of the interesting features that I liked was. There was built in a built-in functionality, um like the only thing that I really liked about. It was that there was a way to test a rule to see if it was redundant.

C

There was a way to test rules to see if they were to see if it was necessary when we went start went into the pandemic, um and I had to change all these rules for all these libraries and I'm doing all this every day. You know that, first month, the pandemic working from home I deleted. I went through everybody's all 51 libraries.

C

I went through all their circ rules and deleted the redundant rules and I deleted over 600 redundant rules because you know over time rules can get added, it's really easy to add a rule, but then, when you don't need it anymore, it's or when you've created a new all rule that covers it or or you've created a sub rule that that's already covered. You know it just you know there were. I think it was 660, something uh rules that I got rid of just because they weren't they were out. They weren't doing anything.

C

So um that would be nice to have a test to say these rules are redundant, but I've kind of built, a report that looks for those anyway. So.

C

Which that's another advantage? You have barbara.

B

C

Yeah, just being one library there's, I.

B

Know always when I hear y'all talk about some of those things, I think. Thank god. I only have one one library to deal with yeah.

C

When I worked at valnet uh velnet, it was particularly difficult because you know, even before we were using co-op, we were using voyager. I would go to these circulation meetings and everybody would say it would be great if we could all just agree to have the same circulation rules and all the circulation people would be there and they'd say. Yes, we should all have the cert same circulation rules.

C

Yes, we should all have the same circulation rules and then somebody would say what should those rules be and they should say well, we they should be based on our roles. It's like everybody, wants everybody to have the same rules so long as they're, exactly the same as the rules that they already have.

C

You know, even just being one organization like one district with multiple branches and having just one set of rules, would make my life a lot easier.

A

C

Yeah, I don't know how bob handles it, because they've got you know way more. You know, we've got 50 libraries and bob's got way more than that. So.

A

Well, what other sorry I didn't realize it was unmuted. What other stuff do we want to talk about.

A

Do we want to like it's the first meeting of the year? Should we talk about publicizing this group? Should we talk about rebranding this group? I know there's some at least yesterday. It sounded like some confusion about our our use of the terminology, development in different places, so calling this web development might be off-putting to people um since we're not.

C

What did we decide at the education meeting was a better way to describe development.

A

Well, I think the division is development is more back, indie, stuff and customization is more what we do and.

B

Also, we thought that some of the development, at least from what we were talking yesterday, was like paid development compared to the css or jquery that right we can do on our own. If we have that ability to do that,.

C

The customization special interest group, the quahog customization- that sounds just as off-putting, actually because it's got a z in it.

B

Well, it's also, you know, like we tried to rebrand. um Was it user services to circulation? I guess that maybe helped a little, but.

A

People showing up to the meetings now.

B

A

B

And it it occurs at a time- that's not real great for me, so I haven't really attended.

A

That's another thing I guess I wanted to ask is if we wanted to look at other times, I mean for at least three of us. It's lunchtime right now. I don't know what time zone lucas is then, but it's noon here.

D

A

D

Noon here too, I'm on mountain time.

A

Well, it's noon now! Well, it's one one now for us, um so we we could entertain the idea of changing our our time slot to. um I don't know if that picks up anybody new either, because we tried to do that a lot with the consortium sig and it didn't really help.

A

So I don't know I just thought I'd throw that out as a topic of discussion as we wrap up. Maybe we can think about it and revisit the ideas in next month.

C

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I personally don't mind coming at lunchtime. I actually brought my lunch. You know, that's why I had my camera off half the time, because I was eating sandwich.

D

uh As far as times or days, go I'm fairly open to any any change.

A

Okay, well, I guess we can shop around and also maybe ask around um to see if there's other people interested that might be able to meet at a different time more frequently.

C

Christopher brandon, it's 11 o'clock right now. I don't know where lizette is they're in the same time zone. They often come to these meetings.

C

A

Yeah so hit him up, see why it's not here.

C

I can ask I'll see christopher on I'll talk to him on mondays, so we're doing another video on monday. I remember what it's about, though, so.

A

All right: well, we made our hour, so I think it's a good time to bring it to an end thanks. Everybody see you later.

D

A

D

Next month,.