Koha-US SIG - Web Dev Special Interet Group, 21 Jan 2021

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00:16:04 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26755
00:16:24 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26839
00:16:37 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26840
00:16:55 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27501
00:17:07 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27502
00:17:49 Lisette Scheer: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27513
00:21:06 Margaret Hade: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27468
00:23:08 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27498
00:26:02 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26861
00:28:08 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27320
00:28:34 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26681
00:34:48 Heather Hernandez (she/her): callnum,phr:vm1
00:36:49 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27157
00:38:55 Lisette Scheer: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14322
00:40:18 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27207
00:41:03 Lisette Scheer: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27207
00:46:10 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26876
00:48:15 Heather Hernandez (she/her): I have to run to another meeting--thanks, everyone!!
00:50:41 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27504

A

um We've been looking at the facets in the opac recently, and I've got four bugs um one would be to add the date published. So you could, you know narrow it down by like decade or something like that.

A

One would be the date added, so you could narrow it down by like it was added in the last you know week or the last 30 days or the last six months, or something like that to add the star ratings. So you could look at you know. I only want to see the things that rate four or five stars.

A

I don't care about what people have rated one and to add the target audience, so you could say well, I'm looking for children's books or I only want teen or I only want adult- are those things that people would be interested in.

B

Yeah, I mean we're not using the star ratings feature, but the other stuff.

B

The other stuff.

B

C

If those are features that I wish I could use when I'm the patron looking for things, I want to read in the coha catalog and that those are features that I use all the time as a public library patron right yeah. So I would love those facets.

D

And I don't know whether I didn't say anything.

A

About it in the bug should it say that it needs to happen on both zebra and elastic or just elastic, or I wasn't sure whether to put that in there. I think both.

E

And those bug numbers again are.

A

uh Let's see the date published is 26839, the date added is 26840, the star ratings are 27501 and the target audience is 27502.

A

And then, in the staff side, um when you search for a guarantor, the pop-up that comes up um after you, do your search and you get your results, you have to scroll down to see the results.

A

It seems like the pop-up should be taller, so you didn't have to do as much scrolling and I put a bug in for that one. It's 2.

A

A

A

A

A

A

So I think I got all of those in the chat.

B

Here's just a new bug that could be useful on the reports page when you selecting parameters it doesn't show the notes.

B

That appear on the like edit page and the results page and show up in the thing, and so.

E

There's specific instructions in there sometimes, but it would be nice if they carried over.

B

Yeah, as just reported like today,.

B

So that you can put information there, I don't know if it'd be more helpful, to have the notes or to have like an instructions section that could show up.

E

You know with the notes it kind of just forms everything into one line.

E

You try to kind of indent and space things out, so instructions would be pretty cool, but I feel like that'd, be that would up the effort, yeah and then people would have to move their instructions from their.

B

E

Field, where they've been keeping it over to your new field,.

E

Maybe just letting you know that if you add a space or you're making bullet points in that notes, field that they are retained.

B

They used to be, and then I think there was an update because of some security stuff, and then I think george wrote some jquery that made it work again. Of course, george did.

F

Yeah I'm using my jquery. I.

B

Need to put it in, I always forget I'll, think about it like occasionally, because he put a lot of like heavily formatted notes in to reports here at valmet. um But I don't remember why.

B

That I feel like there was a reason that that was turned off.

F

I think it's just because you could like inject things in there malicious code and stuff, I'm not sure.

E

Lucas is nodding.

F

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is exactly why.

F

F

I guess I have a question: is anybody using the report a problem feature in 2005 and I guess I just I'm asking was that or barbara because I know they're on 2005.

B

No and when we tested it in our test server last week it reported the wrong url, so that was a ticket I put in last week. It reported the report, a problem form url. Instead of the search result.

F

That's good to know. I was trying to decide if we want to turn it on and if so, how we were going to like style it, because it's kind of it's not extremely obvious on the pages where it is. But if it's kind of broken, then that gives me an excuse to not turn it on yet.

A

And we hadn't implemented it yet because we talked about um feeling a lot that our patrons will just report. Other kinds of problems than you know something about the actual page. Like the image. Isn't there or you know that kind of stuff, and so we just hadn't turned it on yeah.

F

Yeah, I'm nervous about that as well, like people asking to renew their books through that or something fine.

B

Yeah and that's something we were concerned about as well, but we thought well, we can turn it on on the test server and see what happens and the answer was well. That's a problem already so.

E

B

E

Yeah, I believe two seven four six eight uh kelly put that in uh and owen's asking for confirmation. So if either of you want to say, yeah it's broken over here and our opaque base, url is correct.

B

You know it might not be because it's the test server, so it might have the regular base url and not the test server base url.

B

That might be part of the problem.

E

Should probably be reporting the page, though I was reported on, and you said it just brought you to the reporter problem. Url form.

B

Yeah, but that was what uh oh and so it'd probably be good to at least.

B

At least, make sure that it's the correct thing before commenting.

B

In case, for some bizarre reason, that being a mismatch breaks the code that pulls the correct url, because sometimes there's weird things like.

B

B

Yes, it is the correct.

B

A

Excuse me bug: 2749a is about moving the either moving or adding the hold ratios.

A

Button to the acquisitions homepage and like the acquisitions budget page and the reasoning for us is that we feel that's more a function of collection, development and it's in circuits it's in circulation. Right now. It's where you have to go to click on it to see that, and it just seems um misplaced to us so either. If it could be duplicated or moved it just seems like it would. It would live better under.

A

F

That seems logical to me. uh We don't actually use that one, because we have artificially inflated holds ratios. So uh it's not as useful for us, but I I think that for the people it makes sense that the people who would be buying the books would be able to see.

F

E

I don't think there's any permissions that would prevent somebody from seeing them like you have to have certain holds permissions to view it. I don't think so, but that'd be something to double.

B

B

huh Now it's working for us, or at least appears to.

B

E

It's the curse of everyone. Looking while you do it, lizette you're gonna have to again in an hour and see if it's broken again.

B

Yep yeah, because it knew that I was in a call, and we were talking about it.

B

But it does seem to be working now.

A

So I put in 26861 we'd like to see the action buttons on the item edit form they're at the bottom, but we'd like to see them duplicated at the top, because sometimes you don't really need to you want to do something. That's at the top of the form and you'd, rather not scroll down, to have to save it, and you could just save it at the top.

E

What bug number was that barbara.

A

That is two six eight six.

A

A

Actually, that's a different one, it's that's another one. We want to say. 26861 is actually the.

A

When you're, using when you've got anything in your opac hidden items um when you're in the staff, client searching, you can't really tell that so like when you've got a record, that's suppressed, it says it's suppressed, so it seems like it would be nice to have.

A

It say that it's using the opac hidden items, because I forget that we use that sometimes, especially during covid, we we did some hiding of things which we normally wouldn't have and then it'd be like well. Why aren't they showing and it took us a while to figure out? Well it's because we had put them in the opec, hidden items, but the other bug. Let me find it.

A

The action but action buttons.

A

A

A

I can't read my own writing, so I'm copying telling you the wrong things.

E

I mean all of them all the bugs are on topic for sure we're just getting the like full guided tour. Well, that's that's! The thing is, I feel like.

A

I'm needing to um poke at them and get them so other people make comments and poke at them so that something happens with them.

A

And then the 27320 had to do with um in the mark export tool um if you could also export based on loca, shelving location code and collection code. That would be helpful. We recently were exporting some digital records and my first thought was to use another field, and yet those weren't available so um having those in addition to item type would be really.

A

F

I definitely agree on that. One adding more flexibility to that tool would be helpful, especially since people use those different categories for different.

B

C

So I had an idea, but it's uh I'm wondering how possible or impossible it might be, um and the the facets bugs reminded me of this that, after you do a search, you have the bread that say home and like result of your search- and I was wondering about if in between those, there was a link that said edit, your search that would, if you clicked it, would take you to a pre-filled advanced search screen, because sometimes you do your search and then you realize, oh, that's not quite what I wanted or it's large and you and you do have the choice to then narrow, post search with the facets, which is wonderful, but sometimes you know you inadvertently have 2500 items and it's too much, but seeing what you get tells you how you want to change your search, but right now, if you go to search again, you have to re-key everything you put in.

C

So if you had something like an edit, your search that took you back to what was filled in then you could simply add more quick parameters or easily fix your me. Your misspelling something along those lines, and I had I got this idea because um abebooks.com has that feature. If you go there and fill in a search and you get your results, there's an edit. This search.

E

That seems like a good idea and really helpful. I like it.

C

Okay, I'll I'll try to um maybe get some screenshots think it out better. Describe it better and then put a bug in for.

A

That another thing we've thought of recently is: it might be nice to have like a jump to page box so that, instead of you know, if you've got 20 pages, you know you might want to jump to page 13 or something like that.

F

In search results.

C

Yeah, I would love that because often times I'm shelves listing, and so I've done, my call number search. And yes, I want all my call numbers at vm1 all 200 pages worth, and then I have an idea that I'm probably going to be shelf listing around page 130.

C

E

If I put on my like, maybe a developer or cynic hat it'd be well, that's not the use of the search tool. Exactly if your result is all the way um page 200 like clearly the search engine's, a problem, um but it's true like you're doing a more inventory thing I like it yeah I mean yeah librarians need less so than like be trends unless you've got a librarian patron and then all bets are off.

C

But yeah I mean shelf listing is a constant challenge because there's no way for me to get say, vm1 and then everything with that first cutter, number m and and right now with elasticsearch the it isn't even sorting correctly with library of congress uh cutters. So I have to look at like all the cutters in m, because they're not being sorted decimal correctly and then kind of try to mentally put it. But that's a separate thing, but anyway um yeah.

B

Are you, how are you what kind of search are you doing? Is it an advanced search? Are you using the item search.

C

um It's just a keyword, search with oh I'll, put it in the chat it it'll just be like.

C

Like that just boom.

B

Because have you tried the item search.

F

C

So that's because that would be like click, click, click, click, but also I do this in the opac, because the display colors are easier to scan and read scanning and reading call numbers in the step in the staff. Client.

B

Yeah, I'm trying to even remember what this search looks like here. Let me do something: that's not just gonna do a billion things how how this outputs, because that's like different than the regular search results. It comes up more like a table.

C

B

And you can even say like show all of them, and I don't know if this will sort the call number better for you.

C

I'll give it a try, because if it does sort the call number better, that would be better and it is easier to scan since it's column, it's in a column.

B

And it has an edit search button if you want that, and you can add custom like we added the acquisition date and damage status. So if you wanted to search with specific fields, you can do that too.

B

So I don't know.

A

B

There was a monday minutes on this and we didn't know anything about it before that, and now I use it all the time.

C

Oh, I love the item search.

B

Yeah, the only thing I wish it could do is that I could do an item search and then send it to somebody else.

D

B

But right now you can't do that. I don't think I should probably put on a bug for that. I just never think of it.

B

Rather than sending them like a csv or something sending them uh like here is the search done because some of my staff just get overwhelmed by the item search field. Even if I say this is what these are the fields. These are the parameters you need. They'll still just be like I don't know man, I don't know which I get it's.

B

I had to look at the monday minutes video a couple times and play around with it. um So I get it especially if you're not used to that kind of stuff. Oh yeah.

A

And we'd like to see um batch editing capability added to the item, search.

B

Like we could do with reports.

E

This is an awesome and frightful number of enhancements.

E

I like them all that's the dangerous.

E

Part hey, but I do wonder what it's going to be with elasticsearch and zebra, because major improvements to zebra aren't that popular, because elasticsearch is being developed right now, so that would be something worth talking to those developers. I.

E

B

Oh, there is a bug that you can't link to item search.

B

B

B

B

There's also actually already a batch actions from item search, results, bug or someone.

B

Yes, andrew already had one or no.

B

B

A

We'd like to see a spell check feature in the advanced cataloging.

A

B

I like that, in your bug you put being able to find which tags, because not every tag it would be helpful for nope. Yes, you already put the.

B

C

Yeah, I don't want it to try to spell check my 08s.

F

Didn't owen put something about redesigning staff search results in the slack a while back? Is there a bug on.

F

A

I remember what you're talking about, but I don't know if there's a bug or not.

B

I just take down the thread and asked if he had a bug number for it, though I don't know, if he's around right now,.

F

It looks cleaner what he's.

B

B

B

He does not think that there's a book for it yet.

F

This isn't web devi, but does anybody use the um biblioteca plugin the cloud library plugin.

F

How does the record maintenance work you just I? I looked at the blog post and it said something about you, click a button and it pulls in the records. And then you can run a cron job to update the records.

A

um We click the button and it does import the records and it'll show like seems to do it in sort of like batches or at least it updates you and what it's doing in batches, so it'll say, like you know, uploaded 48 records and then you know uploaded 50 records or, however, it's phrased, and then um I'm not sure about the cron job. What is that supposed to do to them?.

F

It's supposed to keep the records fresh, I think.

A

Oh, I didn't know I needed to keep them fresh.

F

Well like, if I assume it means like it'll, take out the ones that um you no longer are paying for and put in.

A

The ones the new.

F

A

You add, okay, that makes sense.

F

um But does it also add an item to the record? It.

A

Doesn't- and I have a bug for that.

F

B

There's a bug for that is the new there's, an app for that.

F

I thought that was just barbara's catchphrase, she's good at writing. These bugs.

B

You should get a black plaque that says I've got a bug for that.

F

I'm I'm wanting to. I got the information to think this up. Ours is different because we go through the state library. We don't manage our own subscription, but they were able to get me the credentials to set up the plug-in, so I'm just kind of nervous to do it like, should I do it late at night to crash cohosh? Should I do it, while people are working to crash cohort, that kind of thing.

E

uh Later morning,.

F

Later morning, I want to do right.

E

After lunchtime or at target for your patrons lunch time, but we're still in would be nice, so we can restart cohop for you.

F

All right, once I get brave enough to.

E

F

E

You'll crash it, but.

F

I am like, oddly talented, I just need you to know. I'm messing things up, even when I'm not trying.

A

The to items bug is 26876 and we'd like it to do that, because we have items on all of our overdrive records and we'd like everything to be consistent, and it helps us with statistics and knowing what the counts are in our collection.

F

Yeah, that's that's! How we're handling records right now, um except I'm manually, importing them except the state library hasn't provided us with the fresh update in years. So it would be nice to get this plugin working.

F

We also have the hoopla plugin installed apparently, but I don't have that set up, and that would save me some time too, because I've been uploading, those records, monthly and just deleting them, and then.

B

Uploading, the new.

F

Batch and adding items as they go so yeah, I think, being able to have the choice to add an item on import would be definitely handy with this.

A

Well and we've been working on, I get a list from overdrive or I can run a report from overdrive about deleted records and um that's difficult to manage to get those out, because the only thing I have from overdrive is isbn, and so I've worked with different ways of trying to make this less tedious.

A

And I I went in and I added the copied, the isbn from the overdrive bib into the barcode field of the item record, so that then I could search by barcode, which is actually the isbn.

A

And so I was able to grab records that way. And then there was a monday minutes about the report plus plugin and I saw how you could grab um and get a report. And that was helpful um and I can see how you can.

A

um Let's see, I think you can download that into a spreadsheet, but I'd like to be able to batch edit right from there.

A

That would be very efficient for me.

A

And I have a book for.

A

A

A

A

So and jason, we don't have a lot of cloud library bibs yet, but it did feel somewhat like um they were slow uploading or that sometimes it felt a little bit like. Has it stalled, I'm not sure if it's really still working or not, um that was when we first uploaded the first batch, which was really only probably I don't know, 300 records. It wasn't really very many, and now, when we update, we generally only have you know 50 or so um so I don't know if you'll experience any of that.

A

If you've got a lot.

F

So after the initial import, you just go back into the plug-in and click it again and it it.

A

Has a it has a option like upload records from date and the date's already pre-filled in which is basically the last date. You did your upload and so you're just loading records um forward to whatever date you're at presently.

F

Yeah and I have no idea how many records we have statewide, I don't even know how many I've imported, I want to say it's yeah. I have 11 000 in the catalog right now, but who knows how many of those actually work and then, with the the recorded books thing we used to have recorded books, but they migrated all of their titles. The state migrated all their titles over to cloud library so that we had.

F

We were on one platform, um so there's gonna be a lot more records but yeah as long as I time it correctly, so that I can uh say that I started a fire in slack and by water can pour water on it. Then it'll probably be.

F

A

I do have a question about testing a bug I can't remember which one it is now, but in the test plan it said, run update database, dot, pl, and so I got to that step and I thought I don't know how to do that. I don't know if I can do that. So what does that mean.

F

Are you using a sandbox.

E

Yes, I I'm not so familiar with sandboxes, but look at something.

A

I wasn't sure if that was kind of like out of my scope, of really being able to do in a sandbox.

B

It should run automatically. I asked kyle about this once on a bug. I was testing and he said it should run when a patch is applied, or maybe, when you do the restart all, but you can also in you can also ask bywater to run like kyle or nick to run uh like update pl update database, dot, pl or something else in the test plan to let you use the test plan or the sandboxes to sign off on things um that need you to run. That kind of thing.

A

B

A

Like just let them know the sandbox I'm using and ask them to do that.

B

Yeah, that's what they've told me to do in the past.

B

Good to know so I'll just say, I often will name my sandboxes things like ls and then whatever bug I'm working on in case, somebody else starts also working on the same bug and so um I'll just be like it's the one that I made in the sandboxes.

E

I need to run great talking with everyone stealing a month, if not sooner.

F

Have we ran out of.

E

Topics and bugs.

B

Well, we'll never run out of bugs just bugs that we know are going on.

B

It's a bad sign, I think if we run out of bugs, because it means we're not improving things anymore,.

B

We're just only fixing problems and not you know, adding anything fresh to make new bucks or breaking things or breaking things. Yeah.

B

So many bugs means that we're the community's doing something.

B

B

But we might have run out of topics for today.

B

B

So let's see when's our next meeting.

B

That'd be the 18th of february.

F

Yep, that's what I have on the calendar next meeting february, 18th.

F

And I'll go crash, my system and report back on how well I did.

F

All right, I'm gonna go ahead and stop the recording.