Koha-US SIG - Web Dev Special Interet Group, 19 Feb 2021

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Chat logs:
12:09:17 From Lisette : https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24387
12:34:30 From Lisette : https://hea.koha-community.org/
12:37:22 From Lucas Gass : https://elibrary.cclibraries.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=hoopla&branch_group_limit=
12:55:37 From Lucas Gass : https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14004

Additional code shared:
- Hoopla search results CSS - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cr6KFoFfgnI9-kBwpIBBLLJh-k-LAPxENrDO71elocM/edit?usp=sharing
- Add series to search results with JS - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ss6gzRTmAIXn_gHNjUyTMY8kA0ADBneYmkIdUhOBIrE/edit?usp=sharing

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We're recording.

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Welcome everybody to the web dev special interest group.

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Who's got stuff, they want to talk about.

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Well, you'd asked me uh in slack last night about bug 24387.

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Renaming the news tool, there's discussion on there about splitting news into like a news section and a html customization section splitting.

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Into two things that function similarly, but.

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Would you mind repeating that bug number yeah.

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Two three or two four three, eight seven you're actually copied on it too: okay, but I'm sure you're copied on five billion bucks. So.

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um I filed a bug last night, which was the reason why I was asking you about that lisa and it was. This is bug two seven, seven, two two.

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Because I find this to be fairly annoying now and it doesn't make very much sense anymore, um I'm seeing tickets, where people are going. What happened to my search, my co-host search bar? It's gone, um because if you add a piece of news and and add it to all sections, it replaces everything everywhere with that piece of content, um self registration instructions, custom search bar.

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Yeah, yes, it goes absolutely everywhere and um when that used to be just for the slips and the librarian interface and the quahog news, that seemed to make some sense, but uh it no longer does. In my opinion, I think we should remove all um collection.

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The train that looks like suggested renaming it, opec and staff interface, but we'd need to also make it work for just opec and staff interface. Then.

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I would say that, even if you uh split opac into staff, you still wouldn't want an all selection for the opec, because nobody would want one piece of content to go to all those opec sections.

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Right, I think she was thinking like opaque news staff news. The actual news blocks like if you wanted it on both sides. There.

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And that's why I asked for the bug the other bug.

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About renaming.

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I I concur. um I'm I was looking at mine. I think I must have already taken away the all option um because I don't see it and I don't want people to do that. Anyways yeah you go away with javascript yeah idea.

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And one other person actually use the news so.

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We have it set up where our libraries use it to put things on their slips so like they can put story time, hours and stuff like that, and if they accidentally put that on everybody slips, then I get lots of phone calls. So I've put some jquery in there to try and control that a little bit, but I I agree that splitting it would be good because that would also reduce the chance that they put it on the opac instead of putting on their slip accidentally.

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um Definitely a good idea.

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That can't be all we have to talk about.

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No, I actually just so. We have on our front page of our opac right now. We have a notice, a news item, more news item things that says that we're quarantining valid libraries for quarantine and everything for a minimum of 48 hours before checking it in it's also on all our holds notices and stuff, but.

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We've gotten some complaints from patrons, um because you know it shows us overdue in the system and like if they sign into the opac, while it's in quarantine, because we're quarantining everything before we check it in and.

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Talking about maybe putting a like a notice on the patron here, let me let me log in as one of our our training accounts.

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Yeah about if it would be possible to add something like here for patrons.

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That said, you know this is like messages added to the account here, but if there was something that we could add, maybe using jquery or a news function so that it showed, on the same as the account page, a note that, like some overdue items, may be in quarantine because we're quarantining everything.

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um Would that be? um Would that be a message to show to everybody, or just just certain patrons who have things checked out? Maybe.

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Just certain patrons I mean if we could do it to just patrons that, had it checked out that would be neat or had things overdue would be even neater, but- um and I don't know if other libraries in val might want to do it- you know we can check if the patron is logged in has the you know french, moscow or one of the other branches in our our district, so that it was just showing up for our patrons with jquery.

C

I know we could do that, but before I wrote a bunch of jquery, I wasn't sure if there was something that I was totally missing a way to do this without just adding like a message. Every patron.

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Of course, adding it for every patron would be super easy.

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When they have overdue items, there's a separate tab for overdue items right. So you could reference that if you just wanted it to show for people with overdues.

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Maybe yeah you could just check to see if that uh overdue tab exists or not, um and if it does, you could and the message.

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This opec, user, overdues.

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So how would you, unless you were putting it in the tab, I guess you'd say.

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I would say, uh if kind of, like that, one right there on line two, that.

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Oh here, you can't see what I'm typing over here and then with that.

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Let's see class is that area controls.

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uh What you probably do, too, is, if you click actually on the overdue tab, um you could do the list on the tabs or you could get the overall the element that has everything inside of it, where it's overdues, one total. Whatever.

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Yeah, like this.

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Yeah, that's probably got an idea. Yeah.

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Opaque user overdues- okay, so you can say if and that's a.

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I desert been doing much jquery work. Lately. Okay, like just dips, are pound simple right, okay, so this one here, oh we've got to put it in there, the one on line two there puts it if length is.

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It's checking like length: do we need to check anything or just say if this.

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I think if this would work, but I usually like blank.

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Because then it just does anything yeah since we're not setting oh gosh, I can't type.

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And so then we could say if that length then like up, let's see.

C

Somewhere, like here's, what is all this and that's just the main content?

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We could like prepend a message. Some main content.

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User details, maybe.

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Where'd that go.

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And okay, let me see what they wanted to put in there.

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It's just similar to what we had on the main.

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I I would, if it were me, I would probably use you, can use a bootstrap class like alert if class equals alert and then you'll get the already styled alert box.

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uh So that would be, let's see oh gosh.

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And that, let's see that probably needs little.

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Yeah so that works awesome.

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That's nice there's other times. You might want to do something like that.

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Like just usually for me I'd, I would double check with somebody who doesn't have overdues to make sure that.

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Yeah here I will look at a different frosty.

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That's all our training accounts. We named them like frosty.

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Awesome. Thank you.

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uh Writing writing jquery, while everybody's watching is very bold.

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And it's getting recorded.

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People to watch.

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I noticed we have some, I don't think tasha's been here before uh someone knew. Do you have anything you want to talk about dash's.

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No thank you, I'm just kind of lurking thinking of becoming a member and we're still evaluating coha cool. I appreciate the the live.

C

Demo, it's something I seem to get myself into a lot like I've done. Some sql live demos too that even with pre-written, you know where I had done it already and then something went wrong like I printed out the wrong version or something to to go off of yeah, uh which was good troubleshooting.

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Here's here's how to troubleshoot when you're writing an sql report and it doesn't work.

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Troubleshooting under stress too yeah.

C

But then afterwards everyone was like. Oh I'm really glad you messed up, because all of george's things were like perfect and yours were. Yours was more like how I would do it so.

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You know why george's things were perfect. Yeah.

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Because he set up macros.

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He just copied and pasted everything and then undid it like. It was all automated.

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You don't want to say how the magician does his tricks. No.

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I do for george.

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Expose him as much as I can.

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Also, he told us during his presentation that that was what he was doing.

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So I think that that was that's fair, so I think on that one he had actually written some like macros, because that was for thousand.

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Coeur d'alene.

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Because he made a comment about how he spent more time writing the things that would do the report or that would like automate it for him than actually doing the thing.

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So well, do you have any questions tasha about especially users or a web dev type.

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Question no, it's hard to know um like at this stage it's hard to even know what my questions would be because we're coming from millennium and it's so very different, um but already uh yeah. I said the live demo, but I meant like the real time sort of coding and troubleshooting.

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um I already had you know like an aha or like as, and that would be so much easier. You know to just put my jquery in there than doing uh what we're doing now, which is you know just having people would have to have access to the server and go in there and we don't want them while doing that.

E

So thank you. Yeah.

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I'm sorry I didn't. I didn't quite know what this meeting would be if it was web development or it's more like uh web software development and is what it seemed like when you started talking about bugs, but then actually it morphed back into. Maybe a combination of both.

D

It tends to be very variable month to month, uh yeah.

B

At least in this special occasion.

D

But it's fun and we'll um talk about bugs we'll talk about just little annoyances that often transition into writing up a bunch of bugs. We don't have quite the usual cast characters we enjoy today, and a few of them are from texas, so they're kind of under the snow um or not working.

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But if you're there are more special interest groups. Have you visited any of the other meetings.

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Subscribed to the calendar like a couple days ago, so we'll we'll see what else comes up and hopefully it will work out and then I'll be at future meetings.

C

All right and are you, are you a stand-alone library or a multi branch just.

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We have the consortium meeting.

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Oh yeah yeah, we have all kinds of meetings, so you're welcome to come to any and all of those uh kohai us is here to support.

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Of general discussion so yeah, if you.

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Have more questions.

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As you're coming up, definitely we can help answer those.

E

I appreciate that, thank you, I'm walking on the treadmill. So sorry, if I sound out of breath, you did not.

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uh Lizzette and I have a leisure book club kind of koha us group next week, so that one doesn't get recorded and if you do want to ask us some questions off the record, um we get a few librarians that use cohort from around the country that show up to that one. So you can ask away and.

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At least a couple times, we've ended up like looking up bugs or even getting in the general irc and asking a question, because I don't even remember how we got on that. But.

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Oh, it was because we wanted to know like the usage of koa, I think on the african continent and oh.

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Gohan gives you the option through heya of anonymously, sharing both that you're using it, and then what are some of the settings you've enabled. So if you are interested in looking at a certain locale and seeing which libraries are using koha are voluntarily reporting this information and then what of the many many many system preferences that koa has that they're using that's a cool way of kind of seeing what your peers are doing.

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That's a really good tip. Thank you. um May I ask a follow-up question on that? Where is it I've seen those settings, but is it? Is there just a link on the quahog community site for how how do I would I get to that data to see? I just put a link in the chat.

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Thanks to the yeah, um it's got libraries up at the top and system preferences that you can select and there's like a c on a.

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Map huh now valnet's not showing up on the map at all. Oh no, but apparently there's a law library in pullman at one of the law offices, that's on quahog, which I didn't know, I'm pretty sure it wasn't there last time that we looked.

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Well, we can try and troubleshoot that whole. I found that it's not.

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Surprised the attention it deserves.

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Now I'm going to fall down the map, rabbit hole.

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Again was that do you use um the hoopla plug-in.

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No, we don't have football.

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No people- okay, I nick got it working for me, which I'm excited, but I want to do some styling on the the search link. So I was just going to look for some examples. I know that george has some some styling on it on the opec results, page yeah at the top of the search results just to try and like emphasize it a little.

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Let me see if I can. I know I've done that before so I'm gonna see if I can find an.

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I will say that last month we talked about me burning down my system with the cloud library plug-in. I did install it successfully. Nothing bad has happened yet it just doesn't work yet, but I have a ticket open on that.

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I also haven't tried to pull in records with it yet so.

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I I'd say, as a general rule of thumb, there has not been any observable phenomenon where installing a plug-in does literally cause the server on which it's hosted to catch fire.

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That is not a feature. Anyone has yet written into this software.

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It'd be cool, though some explosions.

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All right, somebody's gonna do the automatic coffee machine or toaster or bagel warmer or something, and let's get that done first. So we've got a good precedent for thermal reactivity and then we can have add. You know like the flamethrower option,.

B

I mean suit yourself. This does look nice. I might steal.

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That, if you like it, I more than happy to share the css with you.

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Sure yeah yeah, if you have it.

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Which I don't know, what is the easiest way to do so? um Oh you're, on our you're in our uh bywater slack channel.

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Yeah, you can just bring it to me. If it's is it a lot? um It's not! No! It's! Okay!.

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There's something.

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And then I can add it to the the youtube chat too for the video, so everybody can have it if they want it.

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Oh yeah, I was gonna ask where the image.

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See it's in your bywater github.

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I guess this is sort of related. Do you know if it's possible to reference xslt from github like right? Now I have it on a web server that we have, but whenever the web server goes down, it trashes my search results, um so I was looking for a more consistent place. To put it, I know that we could just put it on the coho server, probably and reference it from there.

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Yeah, if again, I'm gonna look for an example, but I think there's somebody with bywater that does so and links it to a github repo, okay,.

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Tried and I couldn't get it to to work so I'm not sure what the right url is to use exactly.

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Yeah, I think that if I remember trying to do this myself, it can be a little tricky. It's the same as like trying to host ess or whatever on github. You have to um use github pages, maybe not.

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Shouldn't say anything because I don't actually know so I'll shut up. No.

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That's okay. That gives me an idea to play with if.

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Let me try to track down a partner site and see exactly what they're doing. I know there's somebody we have that does that okay,.

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It's no big nit deal. If not I mean our I'm hosting it at the external site and it doesn't go down very often, but when it does, I get calls my cataloger goes crazy because she's like where'd all the search results go so anything that to make that more static and stable would be good.

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Yeah, that's pretty bad when that happens, since, like all of a sudden, you have nothing on your page.

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It would be nice if it could fall back to the default rather than just blinking it out. Yeah.

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Possible you're right.

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It would be nice, but I just don't think cohen, has any way of knowing that there's a problem with the styles.

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Because it's just trying to read the blink- and I know I should probably just give up on my my custom style sheets- it would be so much easier to use the defaults baseline. um It's it's that demand from the catalogers, really the their things that they want. That, probably no one else wants.

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So that's why we customize them.

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Now that uh you can publicly access the biblio's endpoint, though there is the opportunity to, if there's certain mark fields you want to show in quahog, we can start to do so with javascript, which is a nice way to get off these custom sheets, especially if you're just doing it, for maybe you have one mark field or something that you want to display that doesn't display on the default sheet.

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I'm trying to remember I I don't mess with it very often. um I know one of the things that they don't like is when the series information traces so like. If you have a one in the first indicator, then it'll trace to the information in the 800 field and display that and they don't like that that display.

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So I broke that in the style sheet, so that it always just displays what's in the 490., um and there are probably cleaner solutions to some of the things that I've done, that with.

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And theoretically, all that logic could be possible with javascript.

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um Right what you were yeah like if we could just hide what the style sheet is pulling in and then re display with jquery what we want that would work.

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I um I know I've added a simple like just if there's a 490 or something like that add the series links to um the opec results page with javascript. I can dig that up too and send that, along to you as well.

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That would be awesome.

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Then I can, I can see how it's done and start breaking things too.

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And at least when you break things with javascript, it's a little better than breaking the entire style sheet and access it. That's true.

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May I ask a clarifying question: um I just I I'm not understanding what happened to your style sheet. Was it? Was it truly like a syntax error or it was it on an external server? I'm not understanding like why you lost it because all of a sudden I'm worried like oh no, is that going.

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To happen to us, so I I host an external style.

E

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I wanted to customize it. um Coho has built-in defaults that most people use and they're not going anywhere they're, not they don't break at random. Anything like that. It's it's just my own personal customization that it's breaking here.

E

Thank you for clarifying sorry, I missed that. um Will in my situation we would have to um probably display another 10 to 20 fields and I'm wondering if it might be better just to start with javascript from the start, instead of fooling around with the templates or maybe it's just either way.

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I think that can I can really depend on which fields you're trying to display and what you're trying to do with them. The series ones are a little bit more complex to do via javascript, because not only do you need to display the information from the 490 or the 780 or wherever else series stuff comes from, um but you also have to build a link um to the others, so it links to the other things in those series.

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Those are tend to be a little bit more complicated than say. Oh, I just want to display this piece of information in the whatever 505 field or something on the opec, with no links or anything so, okay, I guess it can really depend on which 10 pieces of mark data you're trying to display and and where.

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Okay, thanks for the tip I wouldn't um I don't think I would have. I would have just gone straight to the.

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The other problem with your custom, xslt style sheets, is when the community makes updates fixes bugs within those style sheets. You, don't um you don't get changes unless you add them.

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Yourself yeah, I recently uh redid my details displaying the staff client and it was like enlightening all the changes that came through because I just copied the one from the community and then re-added.

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Yeah, it's upkeep that I shouldn't really be wasting my time on that. I.

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Don't need to be wasting my time.

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Okay, this library in pullman that I thought was a law library, is like a personal library that someone made of their mostly religious texts that are like archival. They have an archive materials. It's really.

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Fascinating you can learn all sorts of things when you just look at the map of coho libraries.

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And that map's not at all complete right. It's just people who have opted in to sharing.

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Yes, you have to elect to share it and also.

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Like we have we've elected to share it, and you can find us on the list of libraries, but we're not on the map, which was what this whole thing was about, that we started talking about at.

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The same time, because it's what your addresses are in your libraries and.

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We can't edit it for some reason.

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Oh yeah we're the same way we're not on the map, but we're listed as on the list.

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So it kind of seems like the sharing thing is not prepared to handle consortiums with a whole lot of different addresses.

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Because I've not seen.

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Any other consortiums pathfinders.

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But it just has one location listed: it.

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Seems like when they first introduced hey, there wasn't even the choice to say that you were a consortium or something so we didn't opt in for a long time. So it's probably just like not a yeah we're listed as a public library right now. It's just that.

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There still isn't a option for consortial.

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And there's like a dedicated admin, page.

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Once again, taking us down this rabbit hole, but we don't have the ability to actually edit any of the addresses.

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It's locked, oh yeah,.

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I was looking at that at one point.

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And we don't know why.

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Because I was going to like update all their locations and stuff on the whatever it uses.

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And here it says you don't have a public page, but there is a valnet page over.

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It's this one, so.

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Oh, it's locked on the like. You can't click in the box, but if you click on the map on the um on the right, then it sets it into the locked box and I just put a library in a random place that it shouldn't be, and I can't get it to go away now.

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Wait so if you click on here, let me.

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You click on the.

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Little blue thing: oh.

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Unless it's covered up, oh here, let me share my screen I'll show you.

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What I'm talking about.

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Sorry I lost it.

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So I've got this map here. You see it.

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When I click on, like I clicked on coffeeville and then I put coffeeville in the wrong place and now I can't find them.

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uh I wonder if we have like some jquery or something that's messing, that up.

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That's what I was asked do you have any here.

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Let me I'll test on the test server, because I can do that now, so I don't turn off all my jquery and have everybody freak out.

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It's not working.

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One, I wonder if we set that all up, if they'll they'll show up on the um big map on the website.

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You can set it for just like one of them and then check tomorrow. I don't know how frequently that information is updated. I guess, but.

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It would be nice to just like copy and paste the accurate location in there, though,.

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Instead of searching the map for places, I don't know.

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Let's see I'm right, there.

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All right, I did it we'll see what.

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Again, we've gotten on off on a tangent: that's not really web w, but it's still interesting and good to talk about.

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Yeah I took all my jquery out and it's still.

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Not showing here and I'm guessing that's why lewiston doesn't show up, because yours were coordinates jason when you were setting it on the map. Yeah.

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Is just an address.

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Yeah, it looks like it needs a latitude and longitude to work correctly.

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But there is no.

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um Map option for me.

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This is my: the jquery is broken indicator on the test. Server.

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It's very obnoxious, yeah.

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Thanks, especially when the regular.

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Nope right because first I was just going to comment everything out like this is so much nicer. This little test server.

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So not sure, what's going on there.

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um What you just did there taking out your jquery to test that all the time, but it reminds me of this bug fix that 14 14004, which is going to be super.

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Handy and I think.

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It's been backboarded in 2005., yeah.

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Or you won't have to do that anymore, um just be able to append something to uh your url and it will turn off the internet. User.Js the opec, user.js css figured I'd, mention that this group.

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Very handy, let's see we're on 200 506 right now and it looks like that got backported to.

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2005.09, but I'm looking forward to that when it.

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Do we have anything else, we're getting on a hour here.

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I think I've exhausted my small collection of things. I didn't write.

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Down: okay, I'm stopping.