Koha-US SIG - Web Dev Special Interet Group, 15 Apr 2021

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00:11:47 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=118083
00:13:44 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27809
00:16:55 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27182
00:19:54 Heather Hernandez (she/her): https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26955
00:21:37 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26954
00:26:51 Jason Robb: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28008
00:29:52 Margaret Hade: I need to run, lovely seeing you all!
00:31:05 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25619
00:47:36 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27320

A

Okay, we're good.

B

uh So I'll just jump right in with something um 27924 and it's um if we could display the number of holds waiting on the checkout screen. So you generally have the.

B

The list, but if it could just say, holds waiting and then, like parentheses, five or whatever it would just be an extra little helpful thing. We're checking everything out through our pickup window, and so um when we go and retrieve you know we kind of look to see. Am I looking for three things or ten things or whatever, and it would just be a minor usability type.

B

C

Quality of life.

D

D

That would be something barbara for circulation. Pl is that the right page.

B

uh Yes, I think so.

B

B

And here's um an attachment of what I'm talking about.

D

D

D

Let me ask somebody share my screen.

D

Did I do that right? Can you see my coho screen.

D

So uh on this page, unless I'm wrong, this will show you the number of holds right. Would that be just duplicated information somewhere up here but it'd be.

E

Yeah, I guess so, um but.

B

E

Holds though yeah it's the waiting holds, so it's one of those folks with 50 holds at one time all the time.

D

Right waiting holds okay, just making sure I.

D

D

D

I see some more bugs.

B

I put in 27809.

B

Which is also sort of a minor usability thing, but when you're in a patron record- and you go to the modification log tab on the left.

B

B

You know from the oldest date to the newest, so if you want to see the last thing that happened, you have to go all the way down to the bottom, which could be a lot of scrolling.

B

It seems like it'd, be nice to have that sorted by date, descending, so your newest things would be on.

D

Top trying to pull that table up, I don't have any info on my desk box. So let me I think that maybe, if we just added a data table there, we would get we would gain all the sorting column functions um that we want, so that might actually be pretty easy.

D

Yep looks like that's just a regular old table right now, so if we added the data table stuff, I think that would um allow you to sort it by any column you wanted to or put in some jquery to make a default sort to a certain.

D

B

B

B

Is a cataloging thing when you create um the mark modification templates, let me go and look at the screen.

B

It's more of a tools thing. I.

F

Guess, oh this one would be great.

B

I'm trying to remember exactly what I meant by it, so I'm.

B

Looking my recollection is that there was sort of some way to rename name it, but there was it wasn't obvious, but I'm not seeing that at the moment. But anyway it would be nice to be able to have a clear.

B

Way of you know renaming it in case. You change your mind about. You know how you want to describe it, how clear you want to make it, how detailed you want to make it.

A

That also looks like another table that could use the data table street treatment because it doesn't look like it's got any way to like.

B

A

Sorting for me.

B

A

Which table is that.

D

A

Mark modifications templates page.

A

D

Is that biblioframework.pl? No, it's.

A

uh Mark underscore modification underscore template stopheel.

A

It's in the tools section.

B

And I I think the way I thought that you can sort of get around it is you can duplicate a template and then give it a a different name. So you know you can kind of accomplish that, but that's a little clunky and it's not very obvious.

F

That reminded me about the new one to rename.

B

B

Yeah that'd be really.

B

D

So the only way for you to do that right now is to duplicate it and give the new duplicated one a new name and then delete the original one. I think.

F

So- and I find you know when I first do a macro- I think oh you know this is just my little thing, but then I realized oh I'd like to share this.

D

And therefore name it differently,.

F

Right something more.

F

B

What goes along with that is um 26954, which is there's no real way to sort the macros. um So sometimes I use silly naming conventions to put something at the bottom. You know or right get rid of something that I put new stuff in. Just simply because I want things to be at the top. I guess um so if they either like displayed in alphabetical order or if they had sort capability, um you know it would improve your ability to.

B

You know maybe have your most used things at the top or you know something like.

B

C

A

I guess I can, since we're setting in silence, I can jump in. um I haven't opened a bug on this, but I've been doing more with our clubhold settings and stuff. So I thought I might share some things where I areas for improvement. I think um so, and I can write up some bug tickets on this, but let me share my screen.

A

um That should be the one.

A

Maybe are you still seeing the clubhouse uh patreon clubs thing um so one thing that I kind of found odd as I was working on this.

B

A

All of these names are hyperlinked, um but you can see that that just links back to this page. So all that happens when you click on those is it reloads, the page um it.

C

Turned into a long gray bar on my screen, yeah.

A

Oh, let me stop the sharing sure I bet I messed it up.

A

Okay, see my my chrome again, okay. So when I click on the the name of the club, it just reloads the page um which is I don't know it doesn't seem very usable there. um It would make more sense if clicking on the name actually took you to the um enrollments to see the patrons in the club.

A

So um that was one thing. um That might be the only major thing I was thinking of improvement-wise. There.

A

Oh another thing that I think would be really handy is being able to um like toggle on public enrollment in a batch, because you can see I've got 154 clubs right now and we're gonna want to toggle these on for the public at some point, so that patrons can enroll themselves.

A

um But at this point it's just a one by one setting and I.

G

A

Go in and edit it and it maybe maybe I'm wrong there- maybe it's in the templates and if I check it, then it'll check them all.

A

That could be a thing that I'm not going to try right now, because I don't want to shake the nest.

A

There's promise there so yeah um that might be a non-issue after all,.

C

I mean at worst we might be able to do a little database update that says public enrollment from zero to one or something like that.

A

Yeah yeah, I think it's probably easily doable on the back end, but on the front end it would be nice to if changing this doesn't actually work, um be able to do that. um There is a bug out there for bat bulk patron club enrollment. That that's another thing that I would love to see um to make this more useful, and I can stop my share here and link it because, right now, when you enroll a patron in a club, you have to pull up the patron click on their clubs.

A

Tab dig through the clubs that are there, click enroll for one club and then click enroll again or finish, enrollment or something, and then you have to do that for every single club that they enroll in so some sort of bulk enrollment tool would be very helpful. um So I donna had already written a bug for that. So I just commented.

B

A

But put that in the chat as well.

B

We're not using the club holds yet, but so, if you have, the clubhouse set up and people are enrolled in that, but you have other people that want valdochi.

B

How does it, how does the list of people that are just placing normal holds and then the list of people that are in the club holds? How does that work together?.

A

So the club holds are basically just one big block of holds and it it behaves that way so like. If you put in a new item and five people jump on there and put their holds on before you put the club hold on, um it's not gonna duplicate any of the holds so like.

A

If those people are in the club, it's not going to add them again, it's just going to keep them at the top, um and then it's going to take that block of people and randomize them and stick all their holds on at once. And then any new holds go on after that big block of holds that kind of makes sense sort of um it's sort of confusing, but it does work the way that we had intended for it to work, and we also work consortium, of course.

A

So we've we've got things like localhost prioritization turned on um so like as long as the patrons hold matches the item library, it's still gonna, give it to them. First, even no matter where they get put in that scrambled list. um So yeah we've we've slowly been rolling it out.

A

I've only got two of my big libraries using them right now, but I've got some of my medium-sized libraries are starting to add patrons to, um and it's it's been working out really well, especially on those like patterson lists where there were 100 people and they had to put on 100 holds one at a time. Now it's just one click um so yeah. I was going to do a presentation on this at cohaba, and that was my proposal.

A

So I'll probably still do a presentation on clubholds in september to talk about how we're using it and kind of what we went through and the pros and cons and all that.

B

And is it always by author.

A

No, you can set it up, however, you need to um that's just how we chose to do it because that was like. This is a development we started like years ago, um and that was our whole case, for it was we wanted a way to have patrons, be able to enroll in these automatic. We called them automatic reserves, but there wasn't anything automatic about it.

A

It was all staff driven, um so we were trying to build that process into koha, um but you can set it up like a regular book club, um you could, you could just have a club for your regular book club people and then, when you pick your book, you could put all your holds on that book. For the people in your book club that kind of thing it's got different ways you can use it for.

C

B

One another holds related bug. It came up in another sig meeting recently, I don't remember which one but it's two, five, six one nine and it's the ability to adjust the expiration date for waiting holds so like you've got somebody that's in the hospital and then they're gonna. You know get out after their hold expires, but you know they want to run by the library on the way home and you'd like to extend it like two days or something.

B

We've had things like that happen and we've had somebody who got delayed out of town like the airports closed and they're stuck in the snowy airport. But you know they still don't want to lose their place on patterson or whatever and we'd like to extend it. You know a day or two to allow them to still get it, and there was, um I don't remember which meeting it was, but there were a number of people, a number of libraries that you know were really interested in that functionality.

A

It's hard when all the meetings flew together that may have been this admin meeting earlier this week, I'm not sure either but yeah. So do you barbara? Do you automatically expire, your old sin, like you? Let them know.

B

We, I don't think we do.

B

I don't think we do.

A

I don't think we do either so yeah, but I I I agree. I think this would be a good enhancement. It.

F

A

Like it's got some good discussion on there too.

D

Yeah, it looks like it's.

D

D

And it looks like there's a non-working version of that feature in master now that lets you change the hold expiration date, but it doesn't save.

D

If you look at bug two six, six five.

D

Six, so maybe most the work is done and we just need to fix a.

D

D

um Barbara and heather I'm going to share my screen for a second go back to uh the macros thing. Just to make sure I understand what you're talking about. Is this, where you'd like to see them sort alphabetically.

B

Yes, or or at least have the ability to sort change it from okay.

D

It seems like it does uh oldest newest now.

F

Okay, yeah: that's where it would be really handy to have the ability to sort and the ability to rename.

D

The ability to probably just making it sort alphabetically is not ideal you'd like the ability to sort it in different, different ways. If possible, yeah.

F

But alphabetically would be a great start.

B

Because what I do, when I have to you know I use naming conventions or something they start with. You know, z underscore. I wanted to be at the end, so.

A

I think if you could like star them like have your favorites at the top or something that.

B

D

It looks like it would be pretty simple too, to at least sort those alphabetically with jquery, um if need be. So if anybody wants to put in a tip ticket for that feel.

D

B

I have a question and I'm not sure that I've got this right, but it seems like it was at one of these web dev meetings a while back and owen was there, and I thought he said something about like bootstrap, something the new, whatever version of it um coming out, and we should be moving to that.

B

And then I believe he said that, like maybe for sites who have a lot of customization, it might break a lot of things. And so I'm wondering like is that true and are we moving to it? And when would that be? And.

A

When should we start panicking, yeah.

B

I'd like to be prepared.

D

um So in cohort 2011, which is the if you're with bywater the next major release will move to, um we will be moving the opec from bootstrap 3 to bootstrap 4.

D

I am currently.

D

Trying to work out what those differences are going, gonna be add my changes to galadriel and I know that's not gonna help- probably either barbara or jason, um but what we can do and again you're welcome to open a ticket um is I can take a dev box? Put it on 2011, take all your html and your css customizations and throw them in there and we can have a look.

D

um There are some um with I'm mostly worried about some of our, um and this is overall partner sites, so it may or may not affect you, but a lot of times in the opec system preferences the header, the the footer we use, bootstrap classes like span three span, six span, nine, which tell how big to be and those work good in bootstrap 3, but they don't work at all in bootstrap 4. They need to be replaced with new class names.

D

So I think some of the biggest worries is those custom content areas and if you have those you might want to go through and look at them before we go to 2011 and make sure things aren't looking wonky.

D

And they're fairly easy fixes when it breaks, we just go replace span three with like a class called something similar, but not exactly the same.

B

And so is that only on the opec side in 2011.

D

Yeah, it is there's, no, I forget what version of bootstrap the staff client is on, but it is not upgrading and and typically there's just not as much customization. As far as look goes on the staff.

D

D

I would say for the most part, if you look at a blank, install bootstrap 4 looks way better than bootstrap 3 data on the.

D

A

This seemed like a good excuse to upgrade my test server.

A

I don't remember what it's running right now,.

D

Let me upgrade it to something that.

A

2011, so that I can um start testing changes or I could just wait until I upgrade with you guys on our live server and then stay up all night fixing all the things that I feel like I need to fix, because that's definitely not something. I've done in the past.

D

uh It sounds kind of scary, but I think like it generally, like the fixes are gonna, be fairly trivial.

A

That's good. I did have to fix that. I had that issue that everybody else was talking about and slack with the um opec details were like messed.

B

A

The nav menu thing was down, but I just went over to that site and stole whatever code you put in there and I think that that fixed it so.

D

Actually uh um and there's there was two versions of that code and early version. I wrote and then um a systems team um we're worried because it will break again um when the when 2011 arrives.

A

So yeah, I was one of you added this span right and that you were talking about the spans.

D

Yeah there's just some: some classes got accidentally added that are bootstrap four classes and not bootstrap three classes, so the jquery returns them to their bootstrap three classes. But if that bootstrap is still there, when you go to 2011, it will break. But um I did figure something new out, which is you can you can write jquery, at least on the opac, um in a way which targets specific versions of koha?

D

Oh, I don't know which version you ended up with jason, but.

A

Probably not the new version.

D

um You'll notice, because in the new version it will say the jquery will say something like uh if something equals quahog 2005.

D

A

No, this one just says: if opac detail, then catalog detail, biblio apparent, add span nine native column, large nine.

D

Let me grab you some better jquery, just in case you have that still in your system come 2011..

D

The the real fix should come prior to that in 2005..

D

It's back ported now, but if you were to leave that jquery anyway, it would break on on 2011 unless you use this other jquery, which just gives it a name. Let me find it.

A

I don't think it's that worrisome for me just because this issue, no one reported and then like, was that- and I were talking on after this- this admin group or something on slack, and then I got a pro opec problem report from was that who self-registered on my site to point out that it was an issue. So apparently my people don't really care.

D

I'm gonna in slack, I'm just gonna go ahead and give you this anyway.

A

D

Replace it if you want or or not.

A

I I definitely will it sounds like it. It'll save me a little headache at least.

D

Is having the jquery that targets, specific versions of quahog can be kind of handy, depending on what kind of jquery you're ready.

A

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D

Anyone else have any other things to.

D

D

We could just sit around in silence too.

A

I love me some good awkward silence.

B

I'll feel your silence.

B

27320, this is on the mark export tool. You can limit things by item type, but it'd be really handy if you could also limit by a shelving location or a collection code.

B

I was doing some project and I guess I needed a finer uh way of defining it and I was able to go and do a report, but if there were a way to limit by those other um other things, it would have been helpful to do it all within the mark. Export.

B

D

Seems like if item type is already there, that shelving location and collection coach shouldn't be super hard to be added.

D

I'm just going to add myself to all these bugs we've talked about today, see which ones I can make some time for getting fixes too or know how to do the fixes.

D

D

Well, maybe we've ran out of things to talk about for for the month.

A

I mean we did manage to fill almost the whole hour, so without an agenda or any sort of, I guess barbara came prepared. She had her box. Thank you. Yes,.

D

Thanks, does anybody have an objection to stopping the recording.

D