Kubernetes KubeBuilder Controller Runtime and Controller Tools, 12 Jan 2023

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From January uh January 12th uh 2 0 23., uh please don't say nothing that you don't. Would you like to be in the internet for all the storage.

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I I put to send some items here: I think we don't have any new faces, so I think we can jump for the office hours is that okay.

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um I'm actually new.

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um Oh for sharing faces or.

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Not but no it's all good um yeah, just a quick intro. um My name is Andrew uh I work at cloudflare, and um you know on the kubernetes side, we spend a bunch of time working on some of the larger clusters. There um yeah just kind of curious on what everyone's doing in here and seeing, if um makes sense, to uh spend some effort helping out.

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Now that is amazing, uh really thank you and for our your introduction um have any other person that is new. That would you like to introduce yourself that she go inside now.

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Yeah I think so. Okay, uh really thank you. That is amazing. Yeah see you here. um What do you try to do? We have this meeting uh into two weeks and we try to discuss the topics about the project so feel free to you know the next time also put topics or feel free to ask anything or give your opinion inputs right.

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That is very important uh for the project thanks, so the first one is about it is one uh I put you here: um we measure we merge the change of the layouts if I go before Alpha and you we have with the customize B2 Alpha as well I think in the next step it will be making the new versions be stable and we make it the the full in the clay as well.

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So I, try to just see uh put you here right to some choose one legit right change the launch, so we have cheese, one as well uh make it better yourself customized base.

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Where you would you could you check um AJ tried to put you here more or less? What would be these steps right? I usually like it to know. What do you think about if you know if it has any issue that you should address before making things stable?

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um If you have the energy about you, how we could do this strategy? Should we ask for people as well like their thoughts about Choice, changing the channel in the email?

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um If someone would like to do any requests before that's going to be a breaking change that you need to be addressed before be stable, so feel free.

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um I am kind of fine, with moving Gobi for Alpha and V2 Alpha at this table. I think we have had enough I, wouldn't say enough, but a couple of users who have tried V4 Alpha and we also have fixed a few things, but as we did with V3, we could probably uh bring it up in the channel. Ask folks if they have any issues and have probably give them. We got two style: have a deadline, a wait till any issues come up and then probably move them to stable.

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Because in my experience the recent questions which have been coming in in Channel and also at other places, are related to V4 Alpha. So I feel that people have been trying that out.

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Okay, that's great I'm, putting here Community communicating the channels, uh let's define in timeline, to make stable and it's being using.

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And uh just one question related to that: uh a stable release of a plugin would uh warrant uh another minor release of gear Builder, or how would we like to go ahead with that.

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Is right, so we have a document, let's hop in here, to share wearing the best way. When we discuss the the plugging ecosystem, we try to define a police to help us exactly in these moments. So cheese is here. So new plugins versions is fine. We don't need ship, create a new copy, Builder versions right because it has no breaking change in GG. If you make it stable has no breaking change, because if someone is using gold, V3 is still you know using the future versions of the clay without chip breaking anything.

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However, one thing that I was looking here was, like a e theory, remove.

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Missing something, but if you will remove one person right, if you remove one plugin like we want to remove, go virtue right, because it makes no sense. We we keep that's very so in the project, but it will remove the gold V2. uh According with our policy, we need to make a copy, Builder, 4.0.

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In some places here, as well like ah here.

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No I think I didn't sorry.

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uh Here I put you here.

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So my idea was like that is the second point right. My idea was like we trying to to track everything that you would justify and you could be Builder first right dangling. We have enough, we can go there and change moving forward. I, don't know if you you have enough like a song right, because I don't know exactly what you eat.

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What you will remove beyond go virtue.

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Yeah, this uh makes sense. I just had one follow-up issue uh with the declarative patterns, but I've added that to the agenda. I can bring that up.

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Get to that point.

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That that's it! That is something right. If you be deprecated, if you we all agree to deprecated the declare, the the collective parchment program we can also like that is another recommendation for, for we have it for Forex right, because then in copy Builder 4.0, we could remove both.

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That is a really good point.

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um That makes sense, I am fine, with uh moving both of them to stable and, uh like probably when we get to a point where we remove the V2 plugin. We can create another release of glue Builder.

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Yeah, maybe what do you think about three movie this one for here and today anyway? It's because to here.

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Because I also put like a okay.

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In the case of the video right theoretically, I think, if you remove the plugin fall on the ball, the policy we need like a bump and you could be building they go. V2 was uploading. Jersey to ensure the backyard is compatible, we see could be building 2.x. So maybe you know.

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Maybe we could say that cheesy is an exceptional if he will check that in the long term. It would be only go with you, but she I don't know if he's nice as well like because we defined the policy right. So the best thing you'd be if we could just check if the police, but she also like I'm, hoping to the suggestions like he, because he we need to check how much you'll be the efforts to to Kobe builder for Dodge, X I. Think it's not too much, but you we need to see.

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We need to change the create to the branch, for the documents says few things right because it releases documents are we have a book Victory book virtue and you didn't even have a book before as well has few things to to change.

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And I don't know one I, never come back. That's for there! Sorry for my confusion. Today, I made your confusing, let's see so, why duplicate the? Why I'm? Asking if you, if you think it that's a duplicate, you should declare a CV V1 would be good right, like I think before we discuss that, we can speak about the blocker that we have now for the do the release every time that we bump the kubernetes. We need energy bump cheese project.

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If you don't bump we'll face problems, we need to bump get the latest commit after to get measures injuring updates. They could be built their energy, um the the kubernetes verbs together right.

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In this case we are blockage, evident I, think they are looking to do another project related she's, declarative, partner, I, don't know, I, don't know if it's I think suggestion is not here. We need you to be speaking better if you think I try to to get you more information.

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I, don't know how much people has been actually using the declarative, plugin button as well. Another problem, if it is one, is like if something changed in the project itself, we might need to change the plugin layout edgy things change things and the science. We are not very skilled, you're, very thinking the lineage with the project. Maybe we are not updating properly right. The plugging like we are not engaging the new features. We are not engaging this stuff, all the things that are relevant for for the projector itself.

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So one of the ideas would you be like a move. The declarative plugin for phase two like it. If we could create like varsha put you here, just creates the plugin in their project inside of the repository, and then they start to be responsible to maintain, but it is still possible to use the same thing if it could be building. Yet we don't launch the the the implementation right.

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Implementation that should be introduced in one in the API that allows you create your own plugins, and then you will be a binary executable from the plugin and then you can use the cheese one with it could be built there exactly, but the plugin is no longer your own. Plugin is not shipping. Inside of the code of the Kobe Builder right, it's like a notch maintained by Kobe Builder itself, which allows you cohesive. How many plugins do you want and you use with the tool? And you took that with the other features.

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Okay, I am kind of leaning towards moving it to phase two and then removing deprecating and removing out of cube Builder so that we are not dependent on it. I just wanted to bring this up uh because I like during the break I, was just working on uh some kind of hack PR to remove this out of cube Builder. If folks, don't have any opinion on that, uh we can have a PR to move it to a separate plug-in and then remove it.

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Unless there is, there are folks uh who want it inside the cube, Builder.

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The only thing is like he are the owners of his Prodigy. You accepted, like he I think. If you we go then, and you we ship the uh create a request to create the plugin move, the plugin for their projects right and you push the code on top to to use the phase. Two I think that you'll be okay with that right, because if you look the message here, uh they are thinking build uh a generator tool.

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um Another thing like to to use it if it is ideal so.

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Yeah that sounds good to me. um I can create a PR for them and probably get their views on what how they want to proceed with it.

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Yeah we we can also try to see if it is right before I have a default I. Actually because it's a big effort, it's not to be. Maybe it's not too big right, because we are just in coping GPS, the holy plugging into it, just needed to watch on top like the things to to use the the API right. He plays the things to use the API. Instead, maybe it's not too much, but it's some kind of effort right.

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Okay um action items right, I have put you here, has any other person that you'd like to speak about this one.

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Oh, no, it seems like they're also going in the same direction as in they're, not gonna use Cube Builder anymore, or that's what it looks like from the comments so yeah. It would be good to move it out of tree.

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Yes, you speak with the instructions.

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You see would be acceptable right.

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Do you think that you do you think folks actually should like do a pull in the mailing list? Few people has been using this project or something like that, because looking the issues I don't see many issues hoping about it is one actually known I. Think I could not find too much thing like people asking I'm trying how I do that, or this or I'm facing problems.

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Do you think that's some kind of survey in the community to be helpful like to justify the application, or that is not required.

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We could create a announcement, I, don't know the exact section and discussion. Sorry, we could create a discussion and probably wait uh if we get any inputs on it, but in the meanwhile it would be nice to create an issue and Cube build a declarator pattern and check their inputs on how they would like to proceed.

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Okay, only gentlemen.

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So I have more with the Japanese. If someone disagree, please let you know um so we can do a Pune. We can do.

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This is one that you'll put you for me in the U version.

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Which photos as well ah what I did.

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Things if they'd be okay with that, we can come back in the next meeting, with the results of the Pool Engineering away, came uh tracking an issue and see if he'll be able to work or any other person. You like should write this one. Also, okay,.

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I think it's after I can try to improve these comments.

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um Okay, cheese! One should you uh should we discuss like it, I think it is one we need to firstly decide what we will do with the the declarative. You want I think you will deprecated Wayne with the finances when we can come back and see if we we can like looking for for the new could be building very soon. What you do. What do you think folks that makes sense like you come back? Should she stopped right like how?

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How will you do the actual removals after the deprecation like he, the correct thing would be like he was the police and Screech and you could be Builder uh major person.

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Any objection that it's like we come back and you'll put you here, but you let me know if you don't agree right, we can change. Hey came back to discuss.

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How we build there G4 X.

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The definition.

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How much do we.

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Is that okay makes sense that, like.

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If someone disagree, please let me know we can change.

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This looks good.

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Maria is here because all topic is here: has one of the varsha and the one from Jim Maria.

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Yeah, hey I uh added the this is Andrew I.

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What do you think about to remove cheese for top before we give you the change as well for fire change? You know there is anything. If you have time, we can continue.

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Sounds good to me.

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So Versa go for it.

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So this was regarding these spam emails, which we are getting regarding marketing of cube, Builder, books, I, don't know if any of the folks were bothered about it. I just wanted to bring that up, because we faced a similar issue with operator framework, and then we had a few permissions changed and who can submit queries in the email or send emails to the entire group. So I just wanted to ask if folks are getting bothered about it? If not, do you guys want to leave it as it is, then it's fine.

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If folks are getting bothered, then do we need to make any changes on the permission side of things if we want to restrict who can send emails, whether they need to be approved by owners or something of that sort, so yeah.

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And we have it one: two three at least right.

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If, if it's not bothering or like it's rare, then uh it's something we need not take an action on yeah, I.

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Would definitely clean those up yeah.

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It's familiar voice.

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Yeah I was happy to to see you here, laughs.

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They're just going to cause noise, and so that's basically makes it look like the list is not maintained. So.

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Yeah I I think so I I don't know. Do you think that she has a filter that we could use or like we need to Puti? Something like we need to go there ninja through the emails manually.

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That's sorry did I cut someone off.

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No I'm, muting and muting so go ahead.

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So that was one of the option uh like approving the emails manually, the other option- I, don't know what operator framework folks did. I would probably have to ask them if they had a better filter to figure out the spam emails or something.

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I guess it could be just blocking um the email. That's in spam, I don't know which is less work, approving every sort of good email or blogging the bad ones.

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That's a good idea, though, if you're going, if you're getting the spam email just from that particular Center,.

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Yeah, which, which may not be the case.

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um Excellent, very much is fast on.

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And the Manos approval I think it's bad like because of time wise right, it's like, if you don't have time to manually, approve, um creates a blocker right.

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Yeah, it kind of generates work, kind of thing, yeah.

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They might I might be able to unlock this because so as action I think, if you agree version I can put for uh you or me, has one guy from Google I think he can help us.

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Yeah I can follow up with the admin and check if this something which we can do on this.

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Okay, the next one Andrew. Unlike someone, you like to speak more about cheese, uh Feel Free as well.

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Okay, um so I I've been uh working on trying to create a um an API service using like the extension concept, um yeah. Typically, we've done a lot of crds and whatnot, and that works great, um but we found a recent use case for doing an API service um because we needed a data model that didn't use NCD um and in the process of doing so, I've obviously found the API server runtime project, um but you know have kind of found.

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You know some rough edges around that project and you know I'm just kind of curious on. Does it make sense? um Are people still working on that project is um valuable to continue putting effort into it or people going different ways? With the um you know, the extension points for API servers.

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That is a good question. Someone.

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Much contributions.

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Yeah, so from what I understand, um I recently I've been involved in some thoughts of potentially creating an API server as well for another project, and um this is the tool that we used to like get started. um I just am not sure, quite how maintained it is.

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I think that was.

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A note there there's no commitments that they're going to provide any support and stuff. So um it's like it's kind of like a hit or miss like it. It's it might be good to use as like a starting point, but then you'll, probably pretty quickly get into.

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um But I don't know if that helps answer your question at all. It's kind of a.

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Yeah I think um yeah I think yeah. That kind of aligns with how I like or the same kind of Journey I've gone down is, like you know, starting with the API server runtime, it's it. You know it provides enough value. They can get something working but then like as soon as you start, you know trying to flush things out. You kind of run into these rough edges, and so I guess that's where it almost sounds like people, then just transition back to just using um the Kate's API server dependency directly is.

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Is that the move then, um and just kind of you know, trampling back to um you know pulling that Upstream dependency directly instead of using this at all and I guess.

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That's what I'm trying to get my feeling around is.

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You know what what other people are doing and what makes sense.

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Yeah I'm, honestly not sure they're, um like I'm I'm, very new to like the whole API server idea, because I'm coming from Cube Builder like a lot of it's all like controller crd based, which is very like the tooling, for that is much more fleshed out than actually building an API server. So you that may be the direction that ends up being best for your use cases going and directly pulling that dependency.

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um I'll, take a look and see at the dependencies for the API server that I worked on and let you know um or that I'd seen been being worked on um and let you know what their dependencies are. Okay,.

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Yeah that'd be uh super appreciated.

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Yeah yeah I I, don't I, don't know too much about this project as well like I, I, never use it right, so I cannot help you too much.

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um Maybe uh do you know if you I would suggest like it try to pingy people that has been contributing with and see, but looking here things like they, they digitalized release a few time ago. I, don't know if you have no chains or you know well such requires a new release. I, don't know the status of this one as well. uh We might be able to try to pushing the channel uh I would recommend you guys as well like he tried to pushing the channel and see if shoulders is using uh what they thought.

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Are they thought about this? The mailing list, also, maybe people can give you morning boots as well.

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So so, just as a quick okay since I since I said I'd look at the independencies I just looked and it doesn't look like they're pulling the Kate's API server dependency directly. It's all the API server runtime stuff. That seems to be doing like handling all the stuff that they need. um But this package server is also very very early in its development. So I don't know if just maybe it's because we like those rough edges, haven't been hit yet so.

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I I, don't I'm sorry.

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Yeah, so I was just going to finish for staying like again. That's one of those things that, like I, think a lot of the people here are going to be more familiar with controllers and crds, and so yeah questions on API server stuff might be better directed at that, like maybe finding an issue asking questions in that repo or looking around at maybe different API server project like if you can find different, open source, API server projects, seeing what they're doing and maybe even asking some of those maintain or some questions.

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But that's cool the yeah that sounds good um yeah I think there was some questions in the slack, if that's the channel that you guys are talking about, um but I think that has mostly fallen on deaf ear. So I was just trying to see what what channel to kind of pursue it, but um this is helpful um thanks.

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um As well right here, do you like to to say something varsha.

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So uh this is one of the projects known as kcb, um something similar to the kubernetes control plane, which involves introducing um multi-tenancy and they create a lightweight server, which has the basic objects which are needed for deploying.

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An application it.

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Is kind of a little bit more involved than what I'm explaining and this project has been working. uh People have been working on it for the past. Two three years looks like they haven't utilized the kubernetes six runtime Library API server and time Library. So probably you could have a look at their libraries and uh take a look in case that helps just adding it here.

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Didn't notice that one I'll definitely take a finer look at that one um because yeah, it definitely looks like they just yeah bypassed and went directly with Upstream, which you know it works. It's just. You know it kind of defeats the purpose of the Sig project, because then you have all that boilerplate to do yourself, but um but maybe that's the more maintainable way to go.

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Okay, um that's cool I think we can move it forward for the next one right. Is that okay yeah? Thank you.

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uh So this one is about to to start right. One of the problems that we have is like a how to a big reach. My project right I go there I discovered the project which is.

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The the list changes in these scaffolds or I would like to move it from go with reach or go before that. Would you like to have something that you're helping me out right?

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So the idea of this PR is like you do something very simple like a in. If you wish check, if you received here.

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When we do a project, we have been tracking everything that is used right, everything that she all information providers when the prostitute was done, um he's tracking ceasefire. So the idea would be like we have a feature, Alpha feature that she we say: Okay I want to go to iops the project file. Anything and you do in the same introduction you redo the Discover footage with the with the very song of it could be building I I have installed so, for example, I I created a project with um 20 releases ago.

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Right, then I I get to the the latest version of a copy. Builder I use the comment. The comments you check the project file engine then will redo the same comments like a creative you create here. Take it all detector move your temper out of place then run computer lineage could be built to recreate API using the plugins using the same inputs.

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Everything that's it like it redo this stuff, then the user can, for example, compare using git GFR as an idea uh to the master Branch uh and just see the difference, and she push again the code on top like I. Just should try to help the interoper grid, so my intention here was like a try to share uh season is achieved, see what do you think folks and if someone would like to work with I think the person that starts to try to do a POC should try to do this.

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Alpha commands uh uh stop to work on that. uh If someone would like to continue to do do the work as well, you know that is main things.

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So, first thing: what do you think? What are your inputs? Do you think that is valid, um that your GB are nice Alpha feature the second thing.

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If someone would like to work on that, please feel free if he, unless everybody here to say no, that is not a valid feature. It's not something that we can try. So they don't spend time on the hhl, because you'll not be accepted. Actually.

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What are you inputs fault folks,.

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um I think it's a good idea. It sounds really useful. um My question is like: is there or like I know? I saw a Russia's comment about sort of being separate from the concept of migrating so like. If you have an older version of older uh project, scap order with an older version of your Builder, and you want to migrate it to a new version. Would that be a separate command or maybe like in my head, I think that's kind of the more common use case.

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That sort of people would like right so would um would the rescaffold be sort of a precursor to that or would would those be two separate commands or I? Don't know what people think about that.

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Yeah I I think we we could like that. That is a good point right, she's, Alpha Comanche. Could you have it like a flag where you could put? What is your base? Plugin like you want to come forward you? If you go before the alpha, you want to scaffold, uh go uh V5. You go V3, I, think that should be valid right because Daniel we do always stuff, but we send you uh our other plugin version right. Would you Dutch address your idea.

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um Yeah it would uh like so the way I was thinking about it is like you know, I was thinking in terms of popular SDK, but like say that there's an operator author who's built an operator based on an older version of two Builder operator, SDK and then you know, kubernetes gets updated and they need to sort of uh update their operator to work with new apis or whatever right.

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So um is it practical to think of migrate in that way, where I can go to my old project and say migrate, dash dash? You know such and such version of cube, Builder or operator SDK and then make the appropriate changes reliably for most people, I.

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I think it, the very something could be built that you cannot space right, I, I, think it because it you needed that unless we automate you the download of the binary- and you also install for the user, a new version of the binary right, because.

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That is the point right, so we cannot, but as soon you'll get a new version of you often they could be Builder or sdgk, because.

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Use it could be Builder, so that would also be valid for SDK for sure the ideology be like you can use, it is common and his scaffolds everything from the scratch. So you can compare. You can do this stuff got.

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So much is very good right, because uh okay, we're having two two use: the keys right. uh uh We have the user keys where we on only the chains in the layout provided in the uh list.

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Inspirations right, music cases.

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And we have the other one after that. You try to improve this statement so here, but the other one is like when all right, it's like a hell to uh my Great Migration from oh fee and so dolly nice.

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Of your course in this case, like he, maybe has Breaking Chains into your budget. Actually, if you have the whole is called folds by the phone, maybe that you can help to write. You can compare the things you can find you're watching you need to do. You can find the the chains uh so.

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Yeah, definitely, we would still be valuable, um even if it didn't do it for you right just to sort of regenerate everything in in terms of the new version.

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Sorry there was a time when someone was looking at adding this migration and what they would I think. The idea back then was figuring out what Cube Builder could actually own and then what you, the author, would own, and we would only ever update the stuff that we owned right now we kind of lay everything out and now you touch everything. So there was kind of this hey what is scaffolded and what is generated um that I don't know if those notes ever made it anywhere, but that was kind of the idea.

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That's probably what you would need in order to do this automatically um it as it stands now, there's too much unknown to do it.

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There's no sort.

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Of deterministic way to sort of figure out which parts are safe to move kind of thing.

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Yeah yeah exactly.

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Right, so would you only read those Couples from the scratch? Only only would you recreate the same config project right, the same the same configuration of the project, but you referrality the codes that was at the John top right.

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Would you be only a Helper, but she would you not to be something so nice, like it's just saying, like a commented that if you run and you'll have it actually all done uh engine a perfect stage like a migrated like properly Bridge right, not true yeah, but the idea of feed officials is let's see if I I might want you to looking for uh design yeah.

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Basically, try to find what um Ryan King did. He was trying to propose something for SDK that would generate files and then allow like skeletons to be there that be modified.

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I gotta drop, see you guys.

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Oh okay, thanks.

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Thanks for that,.

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Little King photo design how I can put it.

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So this is uh something which I wanted to add to, as Jesus said, is all what we are intending to do here is read. The project file get the API GB, which is the gbk check.

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If web books are scaffolded and call the new command again, but what needs more attention is we have breaking changes between plug-in version, not plug-in version between uh go V2 and go V3, so we need kind of proper understanding of what are the things which have been changed between two project files in terms of inferring, the apis and the web books which have been scaffolded so, for example, in case of multi-grow command. I, don't think the previous project file explained each of the GV case which exist in a multi-group, but we do that in V3.

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So all these kind of things need to be noted and we need to figure out the things which we can do and things we cannot infer from V to project file to push it to E3.

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If that makes sense.

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Trying to thinking maybe I was writing and I also message a little watching. Okay, your explanation first so.

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The project file has been uh witnessing breaking changes from V2 to V3. That's right.

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But if V2 V2 is like that, that is properly, what do you are speaking is is perfectly fine because they go with. You is the old version of the project. Config right. Doesn't you have your information exactly only from Coffee Tree? So that's your G. If you will do us but go which we want to remove right, she's deprecated. So if you will do something, should you be from go V3 to upper right? We don't care about you. The best.

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Oh cool, then that makes sense. I was just worried that from V2 to V3 we would probably lose information into scaffold out things.

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Yeah but so that is a good point.

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Sex fire does not have only info; it is because that is the energy projects epoxy device.

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Do we agree that we that's it anyway? So that's very much able to do to help me to subject s.

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No V3 plus right.

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We can improve the grammar after sorry, folks.

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Yes, organization.

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But nobody has like objection for we try to do this one, because if you try to notice when it's still possible, we try to working in idea like this one in the future as well. Okay, I think we can try both right if you like it that one's so simple right.

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Yeah yeah definitely.

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Okay, we don't need you, maybe that it doesn't work perfect. We don't need it like you do perfectly. If we can be able to do something, basically, maybe it doesn't support your plugins or no, if you'll be able to do like a gold, plugin Angie Quincy, apis integrated web hooks, it's a helper Advantage right then after we can Implement change, improve and see what the others think like smarter, POC.

E

Yeah yeah I definitely agree. I think there's value in um doing that that bit for sure.

A

It's because others might actually want to see this document, uh I can't find it or nobody has all these sections.

A

um So Bryce, do you have this proposal that she she spoke about? Do you have it his documents and he's not here uh we can put you here action all right, sick. If you try.

A

Rice I'll put you here.

C

A

Also, nobody has objection like you, of course, I I. Believe you, of course. Let me know if not we anyone try to make a proposal. If it's something like that, it's what we discuss right.

A

So I think we we are exactly in the time. uh This is when we can let for the next one uh I'm really thank you for your attendancy folks. Really thank for your time was great to see everybody here is um I just. Would you like to say that that was a very productivity.

E

That was awesome thanks for thanks for leading.

A

All right, thank you. Bye, bye,.

D

Thanks Camila thank.

E

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