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B
Okay,
I've
started
recording
and
can
edit
in
the
video
later
okay,
hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
2020
steering
election
retro,
not
too
many
people
here,
but
we
will
sort
of
give
it
a
go.
As
a
general
reminder,
we
abide
by
the
cncf
code
of
conduct,
which
essentially
boils
down
to
please
be
excellent
to
each
other,
and
this
meeting
is
recorded
and
will
be
posted
to
the
kubernetes
youtube
channel
later
today.
B
B
B
A
A
Josh
it
I
mean
it
was,
and
if
you
look
at
the
fourth
highlighted
item
there,
it
was,
but
it
was
not
communicated
to
the
new
election
officers
until
about
12
hours
before
the
election.
The
nomination
period
was
due
to
start
absolutely.
This
is
this
is
how
we
should
have
done
it
at
the
you
know.
A
We
were
basically
handed
the
previous
retro
document
without
any
sort
of
handoff
on
it,
like
nobody
explained
to
us,
which
things
were
important
and
as
a
result,
neither
jason-
or
I
saw
that
particular
item
and
the
documentation
for
how
to
run
the
steering
committee
election
says
mailing
list.
The
documentation
was
not
updated,
and
so
less
than
a
day
out
from
the
start
of
nominations,
we
made
the
judgment
call
to
not
change
anything
I
kind
of
if
I
had
it
to
do
again.
B
Yeah
and
not
following
up
on
updating
some
of
those
items
was
like
churches
and
my
bad
from
last
year.
We
didn't
go
through
a
whole
bunch
of
the
items
that
need
to
be
updated
and
templated
things
out,
but
I
think
that
one
just
fell
through
the
cracks.
B
As
far
as
like
the
the
handoff
goes,
we
like
I,
I
thought
there
was
a
discussion
of
a
meeting,
but
we
mostly
had
it
in
slack
between
the
five
of
us.
A
A
C
Sure
so
there
were
some
discussions
on
the
exception
criteria
and
how
well
that
was
clarified
on
social
media.
C
A
A
couple
people
said
that
I
pinged
them,
and
I
said
you
know
any
suggestions
on
what
we
could
say
in
the
documentation.
That
would
be
the
documentation.
Pretty
clearly
says:
hey
we
realize
that
devstats
is
not
going
to
capture
everybody.
You
know
if
you
have
any
other
reason.
Please
put
this,
but.
A
Know
how
we
can
word
it
differently
to
make
it
clear
that
we
expect
exceptions
to
happen
and
that
most
exceptions
end
up
being
granted.
That's
the
one
thing
I
think
of
adding
is
that
that
we
do
end
up
saying
yes
to
the
vast
majority.
In
the
case
of
this
particular
election,
100
of
the
exception,
requests.
B
So,
thank
you,
jordan,
for
taking
notes.
C
Or
maybe
something
or
everything
that
is
under
the
purview
of
this
steering
committee,
so,
for
example,
that
would
be
kubernetes,
kubernetes,
six
and
everything
kubernetes,
client
and
other
github
box
and
everything
after
that.
C
But
something
end
user
would
not
fall
into
this.
Because
steering
committee
does
not
have
any
governance
power
on.
F
B
D
I
mean
kind
of
by
nature.
The
exception
process
is
like
things
that
we
can't
do
in
an
automated
way
or
have
great.
I
think
your
example
you're
coming
of
giving
examples
like
these
are
things
we
don't
have
a
great
way
to
measure
like
deterministically,
but
which
have
we've
granted
exceptions
for
so,
if
you
fall
into
these
buckets
like
please
request
an
exemption.
B
Probably
our
best
example
is
honestly,
the
majority
of
the
slack
admins
wound
up
filing
exception
reports
if
they
weren't
like
active
in
github,
just
because
all
their
their
moderation
activities
are
in
slack
and
those
aren't
necessarily
reflected
and
the
nature
of
them
is
private
actions.
B
Another
example
would
be
everything
involving
like
the
code
of
conduct
committee,
where
it's
all
sort
of
private
actions
that
aren't
necessarily
exposed
through
github.
G
What's
one
edge
case
that
I
think
bears
mentioning
a
little
bit
people
who
are
satellites
to
the
community,
so
people
who
are
doing
podcasts
or
you
know
things
that
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
actual
contribution
to
the
community,
but
are
quote
unquote
promoting
kubernetes.
G
Yeah,
I
I
think
the
anti-case
is
is
important,
like
if
somebody's
doing
things
for
commercial
interest.
Let's
say
I
have
a
you
know
company
that
does
you
know
things
that
are
promoting
kubernetes
for
some
reason,
and
I'm
just
out
you
know,
being
you
know,
cheerleader
for
kubernetes
that
that
doesn't
actually
help
the
community.
G
A
A
The
you
know
it's
a
question
because,
like
when
we
evaluated
the
one
case
of
somebody
having
a
blog,
it
was
how
much
of
this
blog
is
their
employer's
commercial
interest
versus
how
much
of
it
is.
You
know
core
kubernetes
and,
and
that
was
that,
how
we
made
the
judgment.
F
We
can
we
can
restrict
by
default,
not
restrict
but
you're
not
eligible
by
default,
if
you're
doing
any
similar
things,
but
like
case
by
case,
we
can,
we
can
discuss
and
review
just
dissimilar
ones.
A
I
mean
I,
I
would
say
we
don't
want
to
put,
except
maybe
for
that
one
example.
We
won't
put
anything
discouraging
in
there,
because
the
simple
fact
that
this
year,
we
granted
100
of
exceptions,
suggests
to
me
that
not
enough
people
asked
for
suggest
exceptions
right.
We
should
have
had
a
couple
that
we
turned
down
yeah
and
the
fact
that
we
didn't
turn
anyone
down
kind
of
suggests
that
there
were
probably
people
out
there
who
could
have
been
eligible.
Who
didn't
ask.
A
You
you
did
suggest
that
I
don't
understand
the
benefit
of
it
in,
but
can
you
explain
why
that
would
be
beneficial.
G
Because
you'd
have
people
who
are
actually
interested
in
exercising
their
their
duty
as
opposed
to
just
getting
a
bunch
of
scatter
shot
things
to
people
who
may
not
even
care
or
even
know
what
they're,
what
they're
doing?
Also
the
folks
that
are
that
are
sort
of
peripherally
involved
could
also
be
lobbied
against.
So
a
company
that
you
know
decided
it
wanted
to.
You
know
flex
its
muscles
about
trying
to
get
somebody
elected
could
easily
leverage
that
mechanism
as
a
way
to
do
it.
G
Meaning
like
if,
let's
say,
let's
say,
five
googlers
are
registered
and
all
of
a
sudden
100
red
hat
people
register.
That's
that's
a
clear
marker
that
something
happened
at
red
hat
that
has
has
triggered
them
to
influence
the
vote
in
a
way
that's
disproportionate
to
other
companies
like
you
would
see.
Those
sorts
of
data
points
come
up
like
roughly
speaking,
you
would
probably
have
the
contributor
or
the
contributor
map,
as
far
as
percentage
would
be
close
to
what
the
percentage
of
contributions
would
be.
G
F
F
Some
extra
information
I
have,
I
have
another
another
another
reason
just
to
second
jayce
suggestions
on
having
the
registration.
It's
I
agree
with
js.
It's
like
yet
another
step
that
an
individual
has
to
perform
to
to
actually
vote.
So
if
this
specific
person
is
actually
interested
in
voting,
they'll
be
they'll,
do
something
extra
like
spend
five
minutes
of
their
life
to
register
there
before
actually
voting
in
a
few
weeks?
So
it's
like
you,
you're
you're,
you
are
showing
your
explicit
interest.
F
You
know
it's
procedures
and
your
desire
to
change
the
communities
community
in
some
way,
but.
B
G
B
I'm
sorry
it's
kind
of
hard
for
me
to
see
the
pauses
and
everything
in
chat
just
because
of
the
web
client,
the
the
one
thing
like
I'm
fairly
like
against
registration,
because
it's
too
easy
to
socialize
on,
like
twitter
or
whatever,
without
some
other
sort
of
bounding
thing.
B
Like
you
know,
the
the
github
contributions
is
one
thing
or
you
know
some
other
exemption
form
for
you
know
showing
that
you
are
actually
active
in
the
the
community.
Well,.
F
A
The
the
project
is
going
well.
I
see
no
reason
why
we
wouldn't
be
ready
for
next
year's
election.
The
it's
good.
F
A
The
the
only
thing
I
guess
that
could
derail
us
is
if
github
made
incompatible
api
changes
between
now
and
the
election
vm,
so
I'm
actually
opposed
to
the
idea
of
registration,
because,
from
my
perspective,
our
goal
is
maximal.
Community
participation
and
every
step
we
add
to
the
election
process,
cuts
down
on
the
number
of
people
who
actually
vote.
H
And
you
can
do
this,
it's
anonymized,
but
if
you
think
that
someone's
is
trying
to
stack
the
election,
you
can
look
at
the
anonymized
results
and
see
individuals
who
voted
like
minus
nine
or
whatever
for
everyone,
except
for
their
candidate
right
right.
A
H
A
But
I
mean,
I
would
say,
like
I
haven't
done
any
data
mining
on
this,
but
I
would
be
willing
to
bet
based
on
personal
experience,
that
the
biggest
predictor
about
whether
or
not
the
employees
of
a
certain
company
vote
is
whether
or
not
that
company
has
someone
who's
up
for
election.
E
G
We
obviously
can't
we
can't
solve
that,
and
we
have
to
trust
that
the
community
does
the
right
thing.
I
the
the
registration
thing.
I
think
we
can
table
it.
I
mean
if
everybody
was
yay
registration.
We
could.
I
think
we
could
continue
elaborating,
but
there's
enough
contention
in
this
amongst
us
that
it's
probably
not
worth
pursuing
it's
just
something
I
would
put
on
the
table,
maybe
for
the
future,
just
to
think
about.
Let's,
let's
observe
future
elections,
yeah.
D
A
You
know
I'm
actually
kind
of
done
with
this
and
it
it
seems
more
friendly
to
offer
that
as
an
opportunity.
A
But
I
think
that
needs
a
vote
of
the
full
ec
to
change
it.
C
I'm
a
little
concerned
on
that
because
I
don't
think
like
someone
stepping
down
or
not
should
be
dependent
on
that
company's
representation
of
the
steering
committee.
It
should
like
it's
community
over
company
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
I
see
where
you're
coming
from.
But
personally
I
feel
like
someone
should
not
step
down
just
because
someone
from
their
company
gets
a
chance
to
be
on
the
comedy.
A
H
When
this
happened
last
year,
the
people
involved
had
a
separate
conversation
and
figured
out
what
they
were
going
to
do
so
that
if
that
did
come
up
it,
wouldn't
it
wouldn't
be
like
a
steering
thing
or
a
community.
They
just
sorted
it
out
themselves.
What
happens
if,
if
this
and
they
kind
of
came
to
their
own
conclusions
and
then
came
back
to
us
and
said
if
these
certain
people
get
elected,
we
were
people
yeah,.
H
H
Yeah,
that's
why
we
added
the
change
that
we
apply
affiliation
after
the
election,
because
last
year
there
was
confusion
where
I
was
like.
You
can't
run,
there's
already
two
people
from
that
employer
there,
but
then
we
changed
it
to
allow
that
person
to
run
and
then
said
you
all
sorted
out
depending
on
the
results
and
then
get
back
to
us,
which
is
probably
better.
I
would
assume.
A
A
F
I
just
put
a
link
to
our
chat.
How
does
cnc
have
handled
this
in
our
in
our
elections?
So
we
have
this.
This
situation
explicitly
described
in
the
cncf
in
the
cncf
charter,
so
basically
the
the
procedure
is.
The
procedure
is
the
same
as
josh
mentioned.
F
So
if
we
have
two
people
who,
like
two
people
for
the
for
a
single
place,
and
one
of
them
has
to
step
down
because
of
the
overrepresentation
by
some
company,
they
have
to
like
agree
them
that
together,
like
have
a
meeting
or
whatever
or
they
the
random
slots
shall
be
drawn.
So
you
can
see
this.
F
Section
six
paragraph
b,
number:
four
again,
it's
it's
december:
how
cncf
handles
this
situation,
so
it's
not
definitely
not
dictated
and
how
kibinet
has
communication.
Do
it
just
for
your
information.
D
A
A
A
A
The
because,
like
the
whole
reason
why
we
didn't
change
over
to
a
github,
I
you
know
lgtm
model
for
candidates
which
would
have
been
better
was
because
of
the
lack
of
follow-up
and-
and
you
know
we
just
really
need
to
get
into
a
cadence
where
the
ec
delivers
the
retro
stuff.
They
do
whatever
changes
that
they
can
immediately
do,
and
then
it's
in
the
hands
of
the
new
steering
committee
to
follow
up
on
other
changes
that
need
to
happen
and
and
that
hasn't
right.
A
That
hasn't
happened
in
the
past
and
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
an
ongoing.
E
J
I
still
think
it
should
be
easy.
I
still
think
that
that
that's
a
very
easy
thing
for
it
for
y'all
to
do
as
part
of
your
checklist
right
now.
We
pr
in
a
number
a
number
one
item
on
your
checklist,
where
it
says
check
in
with
steering
on
dates
on
key
dates
right
there.
You
could
also
say
check
in
with
steering
on
key
dates
and
retro.
H
E
The
question
I
had
was:
is
there
things
that
take
a
really
long
time.
E
Which
the
steering
has
to
follow
up
on,
if
not,
then
you
know
whatever
paris
was
saying,
would
be
enough.
If
it
was
like
okay,
we
need
to
do
the
github
app
for
elections.
Even
that
is
not
steering
right
so
that
that
is
the
demarcation
that
I
would
like
to
have
like.
If
there
is
things
that
will
take
a
really
long
time
that
somebody
needs
to
keep
pushing,
then
maybe
we
can
assign
the
open
an
issue
and
assign
it
to
some
steering
member
to
follow
up
periodically.
A
A
E
A
Yeah
I
linked
that
above
because
the
problem
is
that
otherwise
you
end
up
the
situation
where
we
went
like
like
this
one
where
we
went
in
and
there
was
that
retro
item
about
changing
the
nomination
process,
but
the
documentation
hadn't
been
changed.
So
the
natural
assumption
of
a
brand
new
we
see
is
the
the
change
was
discussed
and
rejected
yeah
the,
whereas
in
fact
what
happened
was
it
was
not
followed
up
on,
but
there
was
no
way
for
us
to
know
that
the.
A
J
None
of
the
three
of
us
are
on
it
again.
I
thought
that
the
next
ec
gets
briefed
by
this
last
ec.
That's
what
like,
I
thought
that
was
the
whole
point
of
like
shadowing
and
like
that's
kind
of
where
I
thought
was
happening
this
year,
where
it's
just
like.
Oh
the
last
committee,
just
just
orientates
the
new
one,
and
then
the
next
committee
orientates
the
new
one,
that's
kind
of
thought.
B
So
there
there
was
like,
while
there
was
no
initial
meeting,
we
did
all
sit
in
a
we
had
a
slack
dm
group
going
for
quite
a
while
and
ihor
was
on
the
previous
election
committee.
I
had
to
recluse
myself
as
soon
as
I
you
know
put
my
name
in
the
hat
for
for
some
of
it,
but
we
did
try
like
again.
While
there
wasn't
a
meeting,
we
did
try
at
least
keep
communication
open
about
it.
J
I
think
we
should
set
up
a
program
with
contrib
x,
and
the
program
is
election
officer
program
and
that
program
will
have
an
onboarding.
An
onboarding
structure
and
contrebex
is
responsible
for
onboarding
those
people
for
finding
those
people
for
for
making
sure
that
everybody's
cool.
I
really
think
that
this
should
be
a
contrib
x
program
and
project.
A
Okay,
somebody
there's
there
needs
to
be
a
fallback,
because
what
happened
this
year
right
was.
We
had
two
people
who
were
experienced
election
people,
one
of
those
people
decided
to
run
for
steering,
at
which
point
they
had
to
get
out
of
the
process,
and
the
second
person
was
cncf
staff
and
the
election
was
starting
around
the
time
of
kubecon
august
and
so
that
person
that's
in
the
things
that
did
not
go
well.
A
B
So
contributes
did
ask
for
like
other
volunteers,
and
unfortunately
you
know
no
one
else
was
interested
in
it
as
well.
J
B
J
B
J
J
D
Add
an
ai
to
clarify
the
handoff
and
it
sounds
like
paris,
hugh
and
maybe
josh
had
ideas
about
like
contributes
or
like
how
that
could
work.
Maybe
hammer
that
out,
yeah.
A
Okay,
so
the
next
two
items
are
ones
that
I
put
in
there
they're,
basically
just
sort
of
bus
factor
items.
I
don't
have
a
solution
for
these,
but
I
want
to
raise
them
as
a
problem
which
is
there's
two
in
critical
steps
in
the
election
process
that
be,
for
technical
reasons,
are
limited
to
a
single
person.
A
One
is
determining
the
eligibility
list
which
has
become
in
in
exercise
and
data
management
skills,
and
thus
one
person
pretty
much
has
to
do
them.
It
limits
who
we
can
recruit
for
the
ec,
because
we
need
to
have
somebody
who's.
You
know
good
with
databases
or
python
or
something
in
in
order
to
do
that,
and-
and
the
second
thing
is
that
person
is
going
to
be
doing
work
that
is
not
clearly
visible
to
the
other
members
of
the
ec.
A
So
if
somebody
raised
an
issue
about
that
person's
impartiality,
we
wouldn't
have
an
answer
for
them
same
thing
with
the
we
use
surveymonkey
in
order
to
be
open
to
chinese
contributors
for
things
like
the
exceptions
form,
but
because
of
because
of
the
limited
number
of
logins
we're
allowed
to
have
with
our
surveymonkey
account
that
once
again
means
one
and
only
one
ec
member
who's
actually
collecting
that
data.
A
The
I
don't
have
a
good
like
I
said
I
don't
have
a
good
solution
for
these
things.
I
just
want
to
iden
flag
them
as
potential
future
issues,
because
even
with
new
election
software,
neither
these
particular
problems
are
going
to
go
away.
B
So,
at
least
on
the
the
data
management
side,
like
the
the
main
problem,
was
that
the
original
data
dump
wasn't,
you
know
clean.
We
had
to
take
care
of
it
multiple
times.
That
was
not
a
problem.
B
Last
year,
I
think
the
main
follow-up
there
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
have
a
good
like
before
we
get
the
the
dump
from
the
cncf
to
make
sure
we
have
sort
of
they're
good
on
their
side
and
the
date
is
accurate,
but
like
at
least
before
we,
you
know
post
the
official
thing
to
the
list,
or
you
know,
cut
the
pr
with
the
eligible
voters
for
the
most
part
like,
especially
once
we
get
to
the
github
way.
A
So
somebody
needs
to
do
that
on
their
computer,
using
either
code
or
a
database.
A
The
and-
and
that
is
something
that's
going
to
be
done
by
one
member
of
the
ec-
that
the
input
and
the
output
may
be
visible
to
other
methods
that
you
see,
but
what
happened
in
between
will
not
be,
and,
like
I
said,
the
you
know,
there's
there
there's
two
issues
there
issue
number
one
is.
A
If
I
had
gotten
covid
during
this
process,
we
would
have
been
scrambling
to
find
another
ec
member
who
could
actually
take
over
that
data,
manipulation,
the
and
and
that
this
now
becomes
a
criteria
for
recruiting
the
ec.
There
has
to
be
one
person
who's
good,
with
doing
messing
around
with
the
data.
The
second
you
know
thing
is,
if
say,
a
red
hatter
had
been
running
for
election,
and
somebody
had
accused
me
of
manipulating
the
eligibility
list.
A
B
Yes,
the
other
thing
that
could
be
done.
There
is
right
now,
it's
mostly,
I
think
it
was
a
pm,
but
it
could
also
just
be
a
issue
on
the
cncf
like
in
the
dev
stats
repo.
B
So
while
it
doesn't
necessarily
handle
all
the
you
know,
vendor
stuff,
if
you,
if
they
respond
back
on
the
issue
with
the
data
dump
that
they
they
provide,
then
you
at
least
have
another
public
source
of
you
know
validating.
Essentially,
the
data
set
okay.
D
So
my
suggestions
are
moving
more
to
the
cncf
side,
if
possible,
like
getting
some
of
that
data
present
and
then
finding
a
way
that
the
interactions
where
the
data
is
provided
and
received
are
made
public
so
that,
if
shenanigans
happen
like
you
can
see,
this
is
what
scenes
have
provided
and
that
username
is
not
in
the
final
list,
but
they
are
in
work.
Number
yeah.
F
F
Yeah
just
just
to
comment
on
the
cncs
side-
probably
it's!
It
would
be
great
if
we
have
a
joint
discussion
with
lucas
who
is
maintaining
the
dev
stats
to
define
like
the
general
ability.
What
can
we
do
with
with
the
data
and
what
kind
of
data
can
we
retrieve
and
what
kind
of
data
is
not
possible
to
get
or
and
so
on?
So
it
would
be
great
to
have
lucas
involved
into
the
similar
conversations,
because
he's
the
person
who
is
maintaining
that
distance.
Maintaining
developments.
B
As
far
as
checking
the
membership
and
getting
the
current
like
org
list,
that
is
something
that
we
can
follow
up
with
documentation.
I
can
do
that,
like
I
have
a
little
script,
it's
like
a
jq
thing
that
will
pull
all
the
members
out
and
give
you
a
deduped
list,
so
that
just
probably
needs
to
be
documented
someplace,
and
then
it's
like
you
know
a
google
sheet
with
just
a
check
if
in
table.
B
A
A
Yeah-
and
I
have
I
have
a
suggestion
on
one
of
those
items
that
I've
actually
implemented
for
the
k
native
elections,
which
is
that
the
candidates
update
their
bios,
but
the
ec
prepares
the
list
of
candidates
on
the
readme.
The
candidates
don't
do
that
and
that
eliminates
the
merge
conflicts.
B
So
that
that's
actually
how
it
was
done
last
year,
it,
it
was
just
a
someone's
suggestion
to
add
it
in
there
that
that
originally
caused
the
all
the
merge
conflicts.
Okay,.
A
Yeah
they
I
am
suggesting.
So
if
we
go
into
the
ideas
for
2021,
I
have
some
suggestions
to
changes
in
process
which
steering
would
need
to
approve
so
there's
several
things
that
are.
A
A
The
that
that
gap
of
time
seems
unnecessary
and
in
the
meantime,
it's
like.
You
know,
asking
a
bunch
of
people
to
keep
a
secret.
A
H
Year,
I
don't
remember
the
schedule.
B
It's
time
for
it
to
go
like
thursday.
The
next
day
was
our
monthly.
Well,
at
that
time,
weekly
yeah,
you
know
community
meeting.
G
G
D
D
And
I
saw
something
like
tim
asked
several
people
to
cut
them
down
before
they
merged.
I
I
didn't
actually
see
anything
there
was
there
was
merge,
bios,
yeah,
probably
wonder
too
yeah.
F
D
G
No
right,
I
agree,
but
I'm
what
I'm
saying
is
that
that's
just
one
example
like
like
it.
The
thing
is
like
just
fundamentally
we're
asking
people
to
become
civic
leaders
in
our
community.
If
they're
not
even
remotely
following
the
rules,
then
that's
that's
bad.
G
That's
not
a
great
sign,
like
you
know
what
I
mean
like
the
the
job
of
a
steering
committee
member
is
to
to
respect
the
the
rules
of
the
community
like
so,
if
it's
just
like
blatant,
like
I
didn't
even
read
the
thing,
I'm
just
like
hey,
I'm
cool,
I'm
running
for
string
community
like
that's.
That's
not!
You
need
at
least
pay
some
marginal
attention
to
the
rules
I
think
like.
G
So
I
don't
know
I
I
mean
I'm
just
take
it
for
what
it
is.
That's
my
that's
my
two
cents
I'll
leave
it
there.
B
C
Are
rules
sorry
yeah,
I
was
gonna
ask
if
there
were
other
rules
that
you
think
people
didn't
follow
or
that
we
might
need
to
tighten
the
screws
around
or
was
it
was
it
just
the
bias.
G
F
F
Yeah
we
had,
we
had
one
candidate
to
serve
like
we
had
a
few
folks
who
have
like
exceeded
the
limit
a
bit
like
five
or
ten
characters
extra,
but
one
candidate
was
basically
he
designated
there
by.
Like
that
background,
it
exceeded
a
loud
number
of
characters
like
in
two
times,
or
something
like
that.
So
it
was
like
a
really
huge
buyer,
which
was
definitely
against
your
rules.
F
One
suggestion
that
we
can
we
can
add
here
is
that
probably
one
of
the
election
officers
can
be
responsible
for
counting
the
number
of
characters
and
putting
that
explicitly
as
a
command
to
that
pr.
Exactly.
I
That
file,
you
know
it
does
the
word
count.
If
I
can
do
it,
it
would
be
great.
It's
it's
even
easier.
Yeah.
Yes,.
F
A
A
Okay,
there's
there's
two
and
one
another
match
discussion,
but
I
want
to
cover
the
meeting,
which
is
in
the
current
instructions.
The
call
for
exception
ends
when
voting
starts
there
actually
isn't
any
good
technical
reason
for
that.
A
The
ec
would
be
capable
of
continuing
to
take
exception,
requests
really
up
until
a
couple
days
before
the
election
closes,
because
there's
like
no
reason
why
we
can't
grant
somebody's
exception
and
send
them
a
ballot
three
days
before
the
end
of
the
election,
and
if
we're
attempting
maximal
participation
then
allow
I
mean,
because
you
know
as
an
example,
you
know
somebody
who
was
on
vacation
during
the
whole
exception
period,
the
so
my
suggestion
would
be
to
actually
change
the
process
to
where
the
request
for
exceptions
for
voting.
A
Obviously,
if
you're
going
to
run
as
a
candidate,
you
have
to
request
an
exception
before
call
for
nominations
closes
that
that
not
actually
closed
until
three
days
before
the
end
of
the
election.
E
Right,
I
would
say
we
still
publish
a
date
for
that
josh
and
not
leave
it
until
the
last
possible.
Second
right.
A
A
The
second
thing
that
actually
is
also
a
timing
thing
is,
at
least
according
to
the
procedure,
is
written.
The
candidates
themselves
don't
find
out
who
won
until
the
public
steering
committee
meeting
where,
where
they're
announced.
A
A
C
So,
like
the
string
members
who
are
not
up
for
elections,
that
was
paris
me
kristoff
and
derek,
we
did
talk
about
this
before
the
results
came
out
and
we
were
thinking
if
it
made
sense
to
disclose
the
results
to
all
the
candidates
before
we
announced
it
in
the
steering
meeting
over
email
or
whatever,
just
to
help
with
the
anxiety-
and
I
think
everyone
was
in
favor,
then
we
just
didn't
want
to
change
the
rules
during
the
election.
H
E
I'm
fine
either
way,
but
the
the
thing
was
like:
if
there
is
a
problem
with
the
maximum
representation
thing,
then
we
would
have
the
people
concerned
would
have
to
know
so
they
can
figure
out
what
to
do.
I
guess.
C
C
G
I
gotta
drop
you
off,
but
thank
you
so
much.
It's
really
great
to
be
a
part
of
this,
so
thank.
E
Thank
you
good
to
see
you
jays
bye
officers,
good
to
see
you
too
bye.
Everybody.
B
So
we
are
now
three
minutes
over.
Do
we
want
to
call
it
there
or
continue
on
with
the
like?
I
don't
want
to.
You
know,
push
it
like
ask
people
to
continue
if
they
don't
want
to.
My
schedule
is
open
for
a
little
bit.
If
people
do
want
to,
how
is
everyone
feeling
about
it?
I
have
to
drop.
A
F
H
A
Yeah,
the
only
thing
that
I
actually
haven't
done
is
an
item
that
here's
on
the
retro,
which
is,
I
need
to
send
paris
and
bob
all
of
the
google
docs
that
were
associated
with
this,
as
well
as
some
other
stuff
for
them
to
check
into
a
non-public
area.
The
google
drive.
B
Yeah,
we
can
put
any
hype
like
mark
any
high-profile
items
that
require
discussion,
jace
dropped,
but
if
you
don't
mind
like
josh
eohor
and
can
poke
jason
slack
too,
just
like
highlighting
anything
else
that
should
be
discussed
publicly,
we
can
table
it
till
then.
C
B
Okay,
well,
I
think,
with
that,
we
will
just
call
it
done
for
now.
Thank
you
again,
for
you
know
putting
up
with
some
of
the
the
delays
and
getting
started
and
all
the
calendar
issues
and
various
other
problems.
Getting
the
schedule
appreciate
it.