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From YouTube: 20191203 Kubernetes SIG Usability
Description
Kubecon recap
Jobs to be done survey proposal
User data survey proposal
General chitchat
A
Hello
and
welcome
to
our
regular
signe
civility
meeting
so
first
thing:
first
I
had
a
couple:
people
come
up
and
talk
to
me
about
what
time
in
the
day
that
we're
doing
this
and
for
people
in
India,
it's
almost
impossible
to
me,
make
such
a
late
meeting.
So
the
proposal
is
just
move
this
to
9:00
a.m.
Tuesdays
and
see
if
we
get
better
attendance
as
a
result,
so
I'm
gonna
give
that
a
shot.
I
don't
feel
like.
A
We
have
enough
regular
attendees
right
now
to
really
stick
to
our
current
time,
because
attendance
has
been
pretty
low
so
far.
So
if
anyone
has
a
huge
problem
with
that,
let
me
know-
and
you
know
we
can
do
a
more
formal
process
but
for
the
people
I
talked
to
who
are
having
difficulty
attending.
They
said
that
if
I
moved
it
tonight
a.m.
they
could
come
so
I
thought
we
just
give
that
a
shot
and
see
how
it
went
so
other
than
that
all
of
us
were
at
KU
con.
A
So
I
think
my
favorite
question
to
ask
on
the
post
coupon
meeting
is:
did
anyone
get
any
good
takeaways
from
any
favorite
sessions,
especially
related
to
the
sig?
But
like
was
there
any
session?
You
went
to
or
keynote
that
you
attended
where
you're
like
oh
yeah.
This
is
like
something
we
should
totally
think
about
it.
Let's
say
Q's
ability,
I.
B
Think
for
me,
you
won't
be
spoken
about
this
to
me,
but
the
developer
experience
was
another
piece
where
I
kind
of
one
saw
a
lot
of
sessions
about
it
and
also
people
talking
about
it
and
also
coming
back
to
office
that
started
hearing
a
lot
about
it.
So,
even
though
I
keep
looking
use
the
experience
from
like
one
perspective,
I
have
to
like
not
shift
my
view
and
also
look
at
it
from
another
one,
so
I
think
for
me
now.
My
you
know,
study
is
going
to
be
towards
that
a
little
bit.
What.
B
Liar
no
I
went
to
the
ones
where
they
had
the
user
stories,
where
they
had
a
panel
of
people
talking
about
the
develop
experience
and
how
they
are
integrating
two
different
tools.
So
that
was
one
and
then
I
went
to
another
talk
where
they
were
talking
about
using
different
tools.
So
they
talked
about
harbor,
so
it
was
actually
a
lot.
It
was
maybe
my
focus.
It
was
by
uh-oh.
Was
it
Michael
Michael?
A
And
the
subtext,
so
what
Pama
was
saying
about
Achtung
is
our
team?
Didn't
hasn't
been
using
it
yet,
but
many
other
teams
are
so
yeah.
Definitely
yeah
I
mean
I
thought
seeing
the
octant
pick
up.
There
was
really
interesting.
Obviously
it's
something
I've
been
super
interested
in
using
as
sort
of
a
platform
to
like
expose
objects
and
like
a
in
a
pattern
that
then
many
different
companies
can
say.
A
So
you
can
show
different
yeah
yeah
different
tools
and
someone
shot
me
a
demo
of
something
someone
had
done
with
octant
and
I
was
like
really
impressed.
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
you
panel,
but
I
was
like
whatever
I
was
just
like.
Wow
like
this
is
really
cool.
I
think
I
was
grabbing
some
screenshots
of
a
presentation
the
other
day.
B
We
should
be
able
to
explore
that
a
little
bit
more
yes,
the
whole
idea
of
I
think
with
kubernetes
ever
applies.
Yes,
you
have
your
main
product
at
the
way
of
you
know
what
good
management
of
creation,
but
the
strength
actually
comes
in
when
you
identify
these
other
pieces
that
are
open
source
and
how
you
integrate
with
them
internally,
for
your
so
yeah
I
think
I
took
away
more
this
time
in
terms
of
the
open
source
community
and
then,
lastly,
because
I
was
learning
so
much
about
kubernetes.
Last
year,
yeah.
A
C
A
A
A
C
We
were,
we
were
talking
about
Japanese
translation
because
I
reached
out
to
you,
know
slack
group
here
and
I
was
like
I,
don't
know
who
responded,
but
they
said
think
there's
a
demand
on
like
converting
the
commands
to
Japanese
and
it's
not
well
maintained.
So
that's
why
I
was
talking
to
him
about
that.
Okay,.
A
Cool
yeah,
he
said
he'd
be
super
happy
to
do
a
walk-through
and
kind
of
if
anyone
wants
to
start
contributing
to
the
code
or
sort
of
take
it
further
than
he
has
been
able
to
like
he
would
love
to
have
us.
You
know
people
sign
up
for
that,
so
yeah.
If
we
have
more
people
who
are
interested
in
it,
let's
just
pull
them
in
and
he'd
get
him
to
come
in
to
a
presentation
and
a
walkthrough,
and
maybe
they
can
get
going
yeah.
D
Yeah
I
was
signed
up
to
do
one
talk
at
the
ivy
Claude
boots
and
I
think
that
went
well.
It
was
just
about
like
design
process
and
like
how
we
taking
customer
input,
but
but
one
thing
that
that
I
had
happened
to
me
on
Friday
before
coop
con
was
there
was
another
slot
that
opened
up
at
the
IBM
club
booth,
and
so
they
were
like.
Can
you
give
it
to
talks
last
minute,
and
so
I
was
like?
A
D
A
D
A
Well,
let's
see
so
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
what
we
want
our
top
projects
to
be
sort
of
for
the
coming
a
couple
months
since
I
think
it
would
be
really
good
for
us
to
code
to
the
next
coop
con
with
like
some
real
progress
under
our
belt
as
a
as
a
sig,
especially
so
it
sounds
like
Himanshu.
You
are
going
to
continue
to
drive
internationalization
localization,
which
is
awesome.
Yeah.
A
A
You
know
we
had
sort
of
one
where
we
were.
We
did
a
jobs
to
be
done
one,
but
we
kind
of
agreed
that
maybe
that
would
be
something
we
needed
to
speak
out
and
then
bring
in
an
outside
group.
To
like
really
put
you
know,
do
the
work
for
which
we
could
go
to
the
CNC
fun
thing.
It
would
be
fine,
but
then
we
also
had
a
questionnaire
that
we
were
putting
together,
which
would
just
be
sort
of
a
developer
experience
questionnaire
to
sort
of
understand.
A
D
D
So
yeah
this
is
a
little
bit
of
just
them.
Looking
for
feedback,
I'm
trying
to
kinda
like
take
a
step
forward
from
paying
like
the
last
jobs
to
be
done,
I'm
proposal
and
so
the
way
that
I'm
kind
of
framing
this
survey
is,
let's
see
if
we
can
start
getting
some
information
about
the
things
that
people
are
trying
to
achieve
with
kubernetes.
D
So
it's
just
an
example
and
then
an
example
of
how
we
might
do
that
would
be
have
these
questions
on
this
first
page.
So
these
ones
that
are
kind
of
trying
to
be
trying
to
be
non-obvious
as
far
as
criteria
that
we're
using
in
order
to
kind
of
like
qualify
you
for
the
survey.
So
yes,
I
asked
about
like
Geo.
D
What's
your
location
company
size
container
usage,
so
if
you
currently
use
it
or
have
future
plans
to
use
it
as
a
proof
of
concept
in
development
testing
or
in
production,
so
this
would
kind
of
be
similar
to
one
of
the
questions
that
the
CNC
F
survey
has.
So
they
use
a
similar
type
of
question
and
so
using
it
also
for
kubernetes
usage
if
they
have
plans
to
use
it,
but
there
but
kind
of
like
using
this
open
source
community
involvement
question
so
indicate
if
you
have
used
or
attended
any
of
these
Corinne
ideas
related
resources.
D
So,
just
as
an
example,
if
we
wanted
to
use
attending
coop
Kahn
has
the
criteria
then
I
think
that
these
questions
kind
of
make.
It
seem
non
obvious
that
that
would
be
kind
of
like
the
screen
screening
that
we
would
do
so
based
on
that,
and
then
we
got
into
the
later
questions
which
trying
to
keep
this
simple
and
kind
of
giving
them
the
option
of
letting
us
follow
up
with
them.
D
So
we
have
job
role,
what
you
are
trying
to
achieve
with
kubernetes
or
the
job
that
you're
trying
to
do,
and
then
we
have
NPS
like
if
we
wanted
to
use
some
kind
of
baseline
metric,
which
I
think
is
would
be
kind
of
cool,
because
since
we
are
an
overarching
sig
we're
not
as
like
what
rate
your
experience
on
like
the
specific
thing
that
has
saved
my
own
more
of
like
the
holistic
experience
of
using
communities,
and
then
please
explain
so.
This
is
still
in
draft
form.
D
A
D
A
Yeah
I
was
just
wondering
because
in
some
ways
being
able
to
attend
coop
con,
you
know
coop
cons
just
expensive
to
get
to
so
I'm,
not
you
know.
A
lot
of
people
may
not
go,
but
on
the
other
hand,
maybe
people
who
do
attend
to
have
some
more
decision-making
power
in
their
organization.
So
it's
just
I
was
just
wondering
above
why
you
picked
it.
Yeah,
yeah,
okay,
cool
I,
think
this
looks
good
and
then
also
I'd
like
it.
A
If
we
took
another,
look
at
the
other
format
that
we
were
looking
at,
which
was
so
I
found
that
the
other
SIG's
really
love
it.
When
people
just
get
data
on
how
people
are
doing
I'm
using
various
tooling
and
so
I
feel
felt
like
that's,
maybe
a
service
we
could
do
for
the
community
is
just
get
like
a
lot
more
data
on
sort
of
how
people
are
finding
the
usability
of
various
tools
and
their
adoption
rates
and
stuff
like
that.
A
So
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
kickoff
for
jobs
to
be
done,
survey
and
honestly,
I,
don't
think
I
would
change
that
much
about
it.
If
anything,
and
then
I
think
maybe
if
we
can
also
move
forward
with
more
of
our
like
wide,
like
just
get
as
many
responses
as
possible
sort
of
data
gathering
approach
that
for
that
doc
that
we're
putting
together
I'll
pull
it
up
just
in
case
no
one
knows
what
I'm
talking
about.
D
Yeah
and
well,
and
while
you're
looking
at
I,
think
that
getting
a
specific
feedback
on
specific
kind
like
tooling
and
aspects
of
communities,
100%
agree
with
that.
I
think
this,
the
disc
I
like
draft
here,
it's
like
it's
pretty
simple
and
kind
of
like
high-level
but
kind
of
hoping
to
do.
Some
initial
data
gathering
kind
of
like
also
potentially
like
get
some
people
that
would
be
willing
to
follow
up
with
us
so
that
we
can
kinda
like
flesh
out
whatever
kinda
like
collection.
A
C
D
Yeah,
so
I
think
this
is
definitely
kind
of
like
gum
that
this
was
inspired
up
like
a
Stack
Overflow
survey
I'm
like
let's
like
gather
all
the
things
that
are
kind
of
like
behavioral,
or
maybe
like
demographic
about
like
the
kubernetes
community,
a
little
a
little
bit
of
overlap
with
the
CN
CF
survey
that
is
sent
out
as
well.
I.
D
C
A
Yeah
we
haven't
gotten
to
that,
yet
we're
just
really
talking
about
what
we
want
out
of
the
surveys
and
the
survey
design.
Okay,
but
ideally
this
is
something
that
I
think
we'd
like
to
get
out
there
early
next
year
and
then
start
having
results
that
we
can
start
sharing
with
the
community.
You
know
basically
before
coop
Cana
Amsterdam.
D
So
yeah,
but
how
do
how
do
people
feel
about
that
kind
of
like
breaking
up
getting
to
the
larger
survey
through,
like
smaller
steps
like
building
up
towards
it,
yeah
I
think
that's
awesome
and
obviously
I
know
that
we've
had
some
kind
of
like
it
would
be
fun
to
like.
If
there
were
we've
had
some
user
researchers
can
like
hop
on
the
call
in
the
past
as
well
as
so.
D
It
would
be
awesome
to
also
kind
of
see
you
know
like
if
you
have
done,
if
they've
done
any
kind
of
like
this
type
of
data
collection
in
the
past
and
kind
of
like
how
they
formatted
those
questions
just
like.
What's
the
best
way
of
formatting
them,
you
know.
So
it
would
be
really
great,
so
yeah
that
type
of
feedback
I.
A
Think
we
could
probably
ask
Boas
to
take
a
look,
although
I
think
Boas
already
took
a
look
and
then
I
know
that
what
if
we
also
post
just
a
question
to
our
mailing
list,
because
I
know
that
when
we
originally
kicked
off
this
think
there
were
a
bunch
of
user
research
groups
at
the
various
cloud
companies
who
said
that
they
were
really
interested
in
this.
And
so.
A
B
Anyone
have
anything
else
they
wanted
to
talk
about
today.
I
did
stop
putting
something
together
for
the
icons,
maybe
next
time
we
can
share
it.
It's
really
basic.
Actually
I
can
share
a
little
bit
right
now,
but
the
idea
is
to
not
just
share
something
but
to
ask
people
what
they
would
want
us
to
also
work
through,
because
we
are
trying
to
define
something
it'd
be
nice
to
kind
of
get
every
piece
before
not
like
what
they
want
us
to
look
at
so
I
kind
of
put
this
document
together.
B
Therefore,
this
is
what
we're
using
internally
right
now.
So
these
are
the
icons
that
we
use
across
or
like
our
products,
and
so
we
can
bring
this
end
together
into
the
next
meeting.
When
I
have
it
worked
out,
but
we
don't
have
icons
for
all
object,
types
and
communities,
so
I
think
we
could
do
like
an
email
with
everybody
asking
them
that
what
objects
they
think
I
important
that
need
icons,
because
it's
not
only
possible
at
all
and
yeah.
Then
we
can
share
it
with
everybody
and.
A
B
The
idea
like
I,
don't
have
an
icon,
have
some
description.
Everybody
has
a
different
description
around
like
these
objects,
but
I'm
just
collecting
them
from
like
the
documentation
from
kubernetes
yeah
and
put
something
together
cool
anything.
On
top
of
your
mind,
that's
like
missing
here.
I
know.
Services
is
like
one
of
the
important
things
this
ingress
and
egress
that
we
could
be
problem.
You
know
probably
have
an
icon
for.
Is
there
anything
else,
I'm
looking
at
it
at
a
very
high
level
right
now,.
D
It's
it's
hard
to
say,
I'd,
be
interested
in
seeing
like
what
the
email
resort,
Lance's
comeback
with,
because
there's
so
many
kubernetes
resources
that's
play
like
which
ones
would
need
the
icons.
Yeah
cool,
like
replica
sets
and
deployments,
and
like
all
that
stuff
I
could
see
the
BBC's
also
yeah
yeah.
D
D
A
D
C
A
E
A
Right
bye,
so
speaking
of
that
I
was
just
looking
at
the
calendar
and
the
next
meetings.
Gonna
be
December
24th,
so
we're
probably
gonna
I'm
gonna
cancel
that
one
and
then
our
meeting
after
that
is
January
14th,
which
I'll
move
to
9:00
a.m.
so
I'll
cancel
the
current
meeting
notice,
resend
one
for
9:00
a.m.
and
then
we
can
just
start
doing
a
9:00
a.m.
tuesdays
and
see
if
that
works
better
for
people
no.